August 11, 2025 • 37 mins
In this episode of Gun Talk Hunt, host KJ sits down with Andrew Maxwell, co-host of the Southern Outdoorsmen Podcast, to dive deep into southeastern deer hunting strategies. From the challenges of hunting whitetail in thick pine country to identifying high-value terrain features like thermal hubs and habitat diversity, Andrew shares the woodsmanship skills and scouting techniques that consistently produce results on public land.
Whether you’re chasing Alabama bucks or looking to sharpen your deer hunting skills anywhere in the country, this episode is packed with proven tips from a seasoned outdoorsman.
This Gun Talk Hunt is brought to you by SnapSafe, Timney Triggers, Range Ready Studios, Remington Ammunition, and Savage Arms.
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Whether you’re chasing Alabama bucks or looking to sharpen your deer hunting skills anywhere in the country, this episode is packed with proven tips from a seasoned outdoorsman.
This Gun Talk Hunt is brought to you by SnapSafe, Timney Triggers, Range Ready Studios, Remington Ammunition, and Savage Arms.
About Gun Talk Hunt
Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Hunt, with Kevin “KJ” Jarnagin, pairs decades of experience with today’s latest tools and technology to help you succeed in the field. Whether it runs or flies - no matter what game you pursue - Gun Talk Hunt is a multi-platform podcast that gives today’s hunters a voice in the digital world.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this gun talk hunt, We've got Andrew Maxwell the
Southern Outdoorsman podcast talking southeastern deer hunting tactics.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey, I'm kJ, dedicated lifelong hunter here. If you've got
an interest in all things hunting, you're in.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
The right spot.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Whether chasing twelve across the plains of Oklahoma, we're in
pursuit of belk in the back country of British Columbia,
you'll always find.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Me on the hunt. All right, Welcome in, all you
gun talk hunters. I'm your host kJ, and with me
is Andrew Maxwell of the Southern Outdoorsman podcast and I
mean YouTube show.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
You guys got to gut it everywhere.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
But this episode is brought to you by Snapsafe, Timny Triggers,
Range Ready Studios, Remington Amo, and Savage Arms. Thank you
for all those guys. Andrew, how you doing, dude?
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Now?
Speaker 5 (00:46):
I'm doing great, man, Just trying to survive this summer.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I have a feeling that we're getting into that time
of the year where everybody's like, Okay, is it time
to get down in the at least low eighties.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I wish, I wish.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Actually, I just got back from North Carolina and it
was like seventy eight degrees up there during the day
up in the high country.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
It was I didn't want to come back.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
No, I wouldn't want to come back.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I mean, we're down here, We're sucked into the ginormous
heat dome and it's one hundred and twenty degrees out
and one hundred percent of humidity. I'll pass on that.
But so we want to start talking a little bit
about the I want to start opening up about who
the Southern outdoorsman is and where did that all come from.
(01:32):
Talk a little bit about your background too.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Man So born and raised in Alabama, grew up hunting
here in some local WMA's and some clubs. Always been
a deer hunter, but we also grew up small game
hunting dove, squirrel, rabbit, you name it. Didn't start hunting
turkey still little bit later. But when I was a kid,
I grew up around a lot of deer hunters, but
(01:54):
I was never mentored by really great hunters.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
My dad, he was more of a.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Small game guy because back when he was growing up,
there wasn't that many deer in Alabama. It was most
of the guys around him were small game guys just
because the white tail opportunity wasn't there. So when fast forward,
you know, my dad he deer hunted when we were kids,
but he wasn't very good at it. God bless them,
he just wasn't very good at it. We always had
(02:20):
a lot of success squirrel hunting and stuff, but man,
the deer it was tough. When I was fourteen, he
ended up passing away unexpectedly, and I was lucky enough
to have one of my best friends in school at
the time. His dad was a big deer hunter, and
that guy, Ben George. He's a woodsman. We use that
term a lot. He's just he just understands the woods
(02:42):
and how the critters act. And we always make the
joke he'd kill a deer in a Walmart parking lot.
So after I started hunting with them, he started mentoring
me a little bit more, and I would go to
their club with them and hunt. And when I turned
sixteen and got my driver's license, I was itching to go,
but I could only go when they invited me. So
I started going back out to the local wa And
I mean, man, if there was like are you could
(03:05):
make a comedy show out of those first years when
I was hunting when I was like sixteen and seventeen,
it was bad.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
And fast forward a couple more years, I just I
kept getting further and further into it, and I wanted
to start doing outdoor writing. One day, That's kind of
what I wanted my career to be, right, And I
was writing locally for a magazine called aon Alabama Outdoor
News and Georgia Outdoor News, and I was just doing
(03:34):
like hunt reports, like hey, the white oaks are dropping
this week in Shelby County whatever. And I couldn't get
into any like premium print magazines because I was like eighteen,
had no business writing for any.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Magazine like that. But I still wanted to practice, you know,
and keep writing.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
So I started my own blog and it's called The
Southern Outdoorsman, and the idea was just publish articles so
I could have a portfolio and I could get reps
and whatnot. And that pretty quickly evolved into The Southern
Outdoorsman podcast. My best friend Jacob Myers started it with me,
and that's kind of the birth of The Southern Outdoorsman
(04:12):
as we started that in February of twenty eighteen. Basically
as something that as a resource that we wished that
we had. There were some other hunting podcasts at the time,
but none of them were focused on the Southeast, and
so we're like, we know some really good deer hunters,
let's just try to interview them and let's just make
it a podcast.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
And so that's kind of where it came from.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That's awesome, man, I will tell you, having hunted in
a lot of different states, the Southeast seems to be
one of those areas that is increasingly difficult for hunters
to master, at least from my point of view. Like,
if you can master hunting in the Southeast, especially for
(04:52):
white tails, I really feel like those skills are transferable
across the country to pursue white tails.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Oh yeah, that's a that's a We joke about it
all the time.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
We're like, man, if you can kill a buck in Alabama,
you kill one anywhere, you know. And I do think
that's true. I really do, because down here. One reason
that the Midwestern stuff was never relatable to us is
because they'd be writing about love this bean field that
you know, you got to go glass the back of
the beanfield you gotta find I'm like, I don't even
know what a soybean plant looks like. Legitimately, when we
(05:25):
started the podcast, I didn't know what like a bean
looked like, like a soybean plant and uh and so
it was just totally unrelatable. I'm like, all we have
is pine trees and yeah, you know, little skinny creek
bottoms that have some white oaks in them, but that's
about it.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, you turn out like if you captured a deer
in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, any of those, and you turn
them loose to where eye hunt in Oklahoma, they drive
themselves crazy looking for a tree, I mean, anything to
hide behind because they can slip in and slip out.
And that's one of the toughest things is is finding
travel corridors and areas which you know that there's deer
(06:01):
there and and holds deer because it could be they
could be anywhere.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Yeah, and that's where the woodsmanship comes in.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, understanding what the what the habitat is, how the
deer use it, how to read the sign because most
of the time you're not seeing the deer until it's
standing in front.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Of you in boat range or rifle range.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
You know, you're we don't have a lot of opportunities
to go out and glass deer and put eyes on
them before a hunt. And that's that's one thing that
they've gotten the Midwest is all my Midwestern buddies right
now in late July, they're driving around, they're looking at beanfields,
and they're finding their target bucks.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
That just doesn't happen down here.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Your target buck is in the Southeast. Is the one
that shows up on the day that has some maturity
on the hoof, Like that's just how you find them,
or maybe they cross the road in front of your
truck as you're driving in. But man, I just or
how much are using in trail cameras nowadays? How has
that changed your your scouting approach, cause that's that's the
(07:00):
only way you can really do it.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I use trail cameras quite a bit now. I don't
necessarily hunt off of them. I usually use them just
to find bucks, Like just to put myself in an
area where I know there's a really nice buck that
I want to have a chance at.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I usually don't kill them.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
But you know, I at least see what's there and
I'm in the area that I want to be in.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, that's that's how if you're using and see, that's
where a lot of guys get off get get it wrong.
Is they when they start setting up those trail cameras.
What I find they do most of the times is
they're setting them on like that food source out in
Texas to Oklahoma. You know a lot of those states
that you can plan a feeder at. Uh, they will
(07:44):
set it right at the feeder and whenever it's coming in,
that's when it goes and all of a sudden, hunting
season starts. You start hunting the feeder and you're like,
where'd that buck go? Well, yeah, you you are in
its area? Like they know, they understand, but they need
to use cameras to hunt off of just like what
(08:05):
you said, just you know he's in the area. Now,
let's pick the terrain features. Go off the terrain features
and the you know, the funnels that are pushing them
through there. That's every big buck I get on camera,
they're always at night. And why do you think that is?
You got to think, well, well, why aren't you getting
any day pictures of this buck? Because he's got to
be somewhere in the day, right.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Oh yeah, And We like putting our cameras on scrapes
for that reason. Most of the places we hunt, usually it's public,
sometimes it's clubs. You can't put out any bait or
anything like that. You could, you can find a food
plot to put a camera on it, but but I
like finding a scrape close to cover that I can
put a camera on. And it doesn't matter what time
of year it is, the bucks are gonna be coming
(08:49):
by that scrape. Like right now in July, I've got
several cameras up on scrapes, and the bucks still come by.
They don't pull the ground out, but they work the
liquing branch, and so that's how we get our bucket inventory.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
And I have killed some bucks over those scrapes over.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
The years, but usually you're just like you said, you're
killing them in the vicinity of the scrape. You know,
you might not be right on top of it, but
you can kind of put two and two together. You're like, oh,
he's coming to this scrape. And a lot of times,
if you're close to cover and you're in a good area,
you do get daytime pictures of them. But you can
kind of put two and two together and say Okay, well,
here's the thicket over here. You know, there's a big
(09:24):
oak flat over there, here's a scrape in the middle,
and just start putting it together from there.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I mean it's it's hard, but it's not complicated.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Now, huh.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Don't overrun the cameras either. I mean, you start running
like fifty sixty cameras and I'm gonna get right Like
those guys, I'm like, man, what are you trying to prove?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Like?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I don't like who.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Has money for all that all those batteries anyway, So
let's talk a little bit about you know, finding, because
you're a big public land hunter, like that's kind of
where you guys really strive and thrive within those environments.
What would you say, are like four like processes that
(10:03):
you guys use to identify like the areas to hunt
on public ground.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Well, first and foremost, it starts with habitat.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Typically what we're looking for no matter where we go,
it doesn't matter for an Alabama.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Georgia or Kansas. We look for habitat diversity.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So I want to find where it's not just one
type of cover. I want to find where there's multiple
kinds of cover coming together.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
And I mean, really that's.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I don't want to say that's the end all be all,
but if that's the only thing that you took away
from the conversation, that's a really good tip.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Like down here in pine country, it might all be pine.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Trees, but it's it's not a monoculture of all the
same age pine trees. You might have some young pines
that are thick underneath. You might have some big, giant,
mature pines that are open underneath. You might have some
pines that have been select cut that have a nice
unders story. And once you start identifying all those different
woodblocks and go into the areas where they meet and
(11:06):
looking at those edges.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
That's when you're gonna start finding deer. So that's first
and foremost.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Second, if I'm in an area that has terrain, I'm
gonna look for terrain features, you know, your saddles, bowls.
Some people call them thermal hubs. We grew up calling
them bowls, which is just where multiple creek drainages all
meet together. So after I find the habitat that I want,
then I start looking for the terrain features, and then
(11:33):
I just after that, it's boots on the ground scouting.
You know, your typical whitetail stuff. You know, identify the bedding,
identify the food. And sometimes in the Southeast, well actually
most of the time in the Southeast, that's very intertwined.
Like that pine thicket that they're bedding in is also
basically a food plot. They can eat in the pine thicket.
They don't really have to come out of it, which
(11:54):
makes it tough. But I mean, honestly, those are those
are the two starting points you can get kind of
in the weeds with like trying to avoid pressure and
identify where people are gonna go.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
But as a starting point looking for an area to start, just.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Look for habitat diversity first and then look for your
train features. Find the diversity, find the cover, then look
for the train features.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I had a It's funny you mentioned that because
I used to call them bulls too, and I've always
been if you can find a good bowl or thermal hub, like,
if you can find it, there's always typically one tree
within that area that I feel like bucks just gravitate around,
like it's like that's their needle. Like I've had that
(12:38):
on several different properties that I've hunted over the years.
That I'm like, if I can find that hub, and
I find that one tree, and if I hang in
that tree and it's a good wind, you have to
tune it the right wind, but there is a better
than like seventy percent chance you're gonna shoot something out
of that tree. And I don't know what it was
(13:00):
about that that those trees, but it was just like
always that one because you'd sit back there and you'd
watch you go like there, they all like that's that
one tree.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
They'll either pass it or something.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
But that's one thing that I noticed that that kept
me intrigued about those like hub areas the bowls is
that if you can find there's one gonna be one
tree in there, it's going to be a consistent producer.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, a lot of times I call that a focal point.
It's just where that those deer don't have on X.
You know, they're following trails or they're using visual landmarks.
And I've even seen this in South Alabama where you
getting those long lease pine savannahs and.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
It'll be as far as you can see.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You probably have this in Louisiana too, big long leaf
pine savannahs, flat as a pancake, nothing out there, but
a bunch of telephone pole, pine trees, maybe some tall grass,
and you'll see it where there'll be like a fallen
tree in the middle of it, and it's like every
gear that crosses that field walks around the front of
that fallen tree.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
And for you, I'm like, why do they do that?
And I think it's I literally think.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
They get out there and they're looking and they're like, oh,
there's that tree, and that's like their little visual landmark
that they use.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I never thought about them doing that because yeah, I
just thought it was well, it's always natural. But but
you think about it, and you go into these these
deer betting areas or or you go out to hunt,
you're going into their house, like that's their house. So
oh yeah, if you were walking through your house and
you had your eyes closed and then you open them,
you know exactly where you're at. They're the same way,
(14:33):
like they're they're looking off those landmarks. I've never really
thought about it that way because, yeah, they don't have
on exits, which I mean is a great segue into
my next thing. How much does digital scouting help you
determine where you want to focus? Your attention on on
public land.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Man, it helps a ton, and it's because really at
the end of the day you have to go put
boots on the ground and scout it. You can get
to where you can hunt blind and you can find
a spot on the map and go to it, and
it's good. But most of the time you've got to
put boots on the ground. But we've all got limited
time to do that. And where the e scouting has
(15:11):
helped me is I can identify the areas that I
think are gonna hold deer and I can go straight
to them, and sometimes it's a dud, sometimes it's not,
and I can go on.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
To the next one. Right.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
So that's where the habitat thing comes in that I
mentioned earlier, is if I can go and I can identify, like, Okay,
this stand looks like it's probably going to be thick
underneath based on what I see on the satellite image.
I can see the crowns of the trees there, they're separated.
I can see the individual trees and the like a
pine plantation, it doesn't look like a green carpet where
(15:42):
you can't see through the canopy at all. If I
see that and I'm like, Okay, there's probably some good
cover underneath there, so I can go straight to that
spot and I can run those edges. I might not
walk around the middle of it, but I can walk
those edges and I can find the scrapes, the rubs,
the trails coming out of it, and be efficient of
my time and just hit that spot, check it, go
(16:03):
to the next one.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Man, that's one of the most fit.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Like the biggest things about scouting, especially boots on the
ground is being efficient with your time.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
That's a great tip. Man.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Just just scout the edges because you're gonna find what
you want to hunt. Like, you can find what you
want to hunt, and whether or not you have to
go in.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Right oh yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And most of the
time you end up killing the deer on those edges. Yeah,
you know, you don't have to go into that thicket.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
They're gonna come out of it or run the edge
of it, especially in the rut those bucks. Many they'll
either be coming in and out or they'll be running
that edge. And those are some of our best spots
are just thick edges where maybe two edges meet, like
maybe you've got like one of My favorite setups is
where you find maybe a clear cut that's like five
(16:50):
years old and it's just like dog hair thick, Like,
don't even try to walk into it.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Where that meets some thin pines.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Maybe these pines are like twenty years old there, maybe
about ten inches around, but they've come through and they've
finned it, meaning they've they've cut out like a certain
number of those trees to open the canopy. Well, then
the understory that's also going to be kind of thick,
but it's going to be a different vegetation component than
that five year old clearcut. Right, and then maybe adjoining
(17:19):
both of those, there's another pine stand and maybe that
one hadn't been thinned yet, and it's just it's that
green carpet I was talking about. Those canopies are all touching,
they're all intertwined. There's no sunlight getting to the forest floor,
and it's like a it's like a pine straw.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Desert under there. Yeah, there's nothing. Well, if you can
sit where those three meet, that's usually a pretty good spot.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, that's a good point. I like it.
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(21:21):
I know, I mean bow hunting, rifle hunting, You muzzleoad
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Speaker 3 (21:28):
So what your setup look.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Like for getting in a tree or my weapon.
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For getting in the tree?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Okay, man, it depends on the situation. I like a
little bit of everything. I've got a climber, I've got
lock ons, I've got saddles. I usually find myself in
a saddle just because it's you know, lightweight, easy to carry,
pretty easy to get in a tree with. But it's
just a tool in the toolbox for me. I'm not
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(21:58):
want to be in a lock on where instead of
facing the tree like you do in a saddle, I'm
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So it just depends on the situation. Would I have
(22:22):
started doing a lot more now? I have a climber,
but I haven't used it in two or three years
because I started one sticking, which a lot of people
think is ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I was one of those people. I thought it was
the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
But the thing about the one stick is I can
climb any tree to any hype as long as I've
got the rope long enough to repel out of it.
I can climb literally to the top of a pine tree,
like the top of the pine tree, if I want to.
And for rifle hunting, dude, that's money.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Oh yeah, because you add distance. So okay, here's a
really good question. When you one stick it and you're
going up high into a tree, are you what are
you using for support for the gun?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Are you just shooting off hand?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Usually I'm shooting off the tree.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
So I'll have my bridge and teathers setting away where
I can get I can get a hand on the
tree and rest my rifle on that.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
That's one way you can shoot.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
You can also I'll hang my backpack on the tree
in front of me and have the backpack hanging like
right there at the perfect height, so I can rest
my rifle across the backpack.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
There's other ways that.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
You can brace your arm on the bridge like this
and shoot off your arm. So when I first started
saddle hunting. I was not confident at all and shooting
a rifle out of it. But Jacob, my co host
and Kohner of the podcasts, he's really good at it.
He showed me how to do it, and now I
feel very confident shooting.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
At distance out of a saddle. Uh, you just got to.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Make sure your gears dialed and you if you are
thinking about getting into that, you need to get in
your saddle with a gun and just recomen shooting out
of it.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
But really you can dry fire out of it. Whatever
you got to do.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
If you just tur in the backyard, might get some
weird looks from your neighbors, but uh, you know, get
up in that tree.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
You don't even have to get twenty feet up, just
get up at ground level.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, figure out where your your bridge and your tether
needs to be, how long they need to be to
get comfortable and get to where you can get a
hand on that tree and rest your rifle on your
hand against the tree, off the bridge, off your backpack,
whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I'm telling you that's that's one thing that a lot
of guys take for granted, is they get this set up,
they get a nice set up a saddle, set up.
Then they go out in the woods and it's like
the first day they they really set it up and
they really hunt with it is the day they go
out and that, man, that's just a that's a recipe
for disaster. It's a recipe for miss deer. And that's tough.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
When you drop a shot on a big buck, it
kind of it's a gut punch, and you know what
would have fixed it was preparation in the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Oh yeah, Like my stepdad, we're having this conversation with
him to see gets more into saddle hunting. I'm like, dude,
he's got property he can shoot on. Mike, get up
in that saddle with a twenty two and just shoot
pune cons like whatever you got to do, Like, get
up in that thing and shoot at multiple angles. Twenty
two is easy, it's cheap ammo, and just practice because
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you don't want to scout all summer on all fall
and then you get to you finally get that deer
in front of you and you just can't make it happen.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
I've been there. I mean that's happened to me several times.
Oh yeah, it's because I didn't in practice like I
should add.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Oh, it just kills me.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
It's like when I go to a competition or something
like that, and I've had all this time to lead
up to, like practice and do really well, and I
get to a competition, I'm like, well, why am I
shooting so bad?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Well, you got to practice, and it always falls on
my shoulders, is what it is.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And that's it's an unfortunate spot that you're in because
you're like, you put so much heart and effort into preparing,
but you don't prepare in the right way. It's like
going out and buying a brand new gun and saying, man,
I'm good now.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
It doesn't work like that. It does It does not
work like that. Uh oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Let's uh, let's jump into like some memorable hunts for you.
And is there anything that stands out to a memorable
buck when it comes like everything just happens to come together.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Is there any stories that you've got like that?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Yeah, we had We had a hundred a couple of
years ago, man, Jacob, where we were hunting some public
ground here in Alabama, and it was a draw hunt.
So you get limited time on the property, you get
three and a half days to hunt it, or no,
you get three full days to hunt it. You get ok, uh,
Thursday afternoon, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday morning, so it equals
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three full days. But uh, we'd we'd been out there, man,
and we were just getting our tails handed to us.
We weren't seeing that many deer. And it's a really
good property, like we should have been seeing some deer.
It was on the very, very very front end of
the rut. This is like around January ninth, and in
that particular area of the rut's more mid January, so
you're kind of right there. When you're on the front
edge of it. It's getting going, but it's not wide
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open yet.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, and we we just.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Walked all day, literally walked all day just trying to
find deer because we weren't see anything up to that point.
This was a Friday, so or no, this is Saturday,
so we've times running out. So we come around this
ridge and we get to the spot and I peek
over my bios and I see two doughs down in
this oak creek, bottom down in a bowl, and I'm like, okay,
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there's dose. We're climbing right here because this you know,
start of the rut. And I'm like, this is as
good as we found so far. We were seeing some
bucks hign. So we jack up a tree and I'm shooting,
Jacob's filming and it gets to be about dark and
the biggest buck I've ever had an opportunity yet starts
walking up that thermal hub.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
I couldn't see it. Jacob was in a different tree
than I was. And Jacob's like, hey, there's a buck.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Coming shooter, and this place has pretty stringent antler requirement.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
So if it's a shooter, it's a good deer, right,
And I'm waiting.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
I'm like looking, I can't see it, can't see it.
And Jacob turns to me. He's like, Andrew, this is
the biggest deer you're ever gonna shoot. And so now
I'm like, okay, like every pressure have ever shot, because
those are two those are probably two different things. And
finally I get to see the deer and now I'm
shook up. And man, he walks out perfect, like one
hundred and ten yards wide open, works a scrape and
(28:31):
I mean I whiff on him, whiffed on him with
a rifle shot over his back. He runs and stops
shoot again.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
This again.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I missed the deer four times. I missed him four times.
So I'm about ready to jump out of the tree
at this point. And we get down and I'm pretty
down in the dumps, and Jacob's like, hey, let's just
go back there tomorrow, like he was in there for
a reason.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
So I was like, okay, whatever, last morning of the hunt.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
We go in there the next morning and man, it's
probably seven and we hear crashing coming right down from
in the bowl, just like the morning before. And we
look over and here comes the dough. She's getting chased
by a buck, not a legal buck, but rack buck,
you know, decent deer, but not something we were gonna shoot.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
And then here comes another buck, and another buck and
another buck. There's five bucks chasing her and just going.
They were snort, wheezing, they were fighting.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
One of them ended up breathing the dough, and I
think one of them was a shooter, but it was
like such chaos. I couldn't get on him, and so
they all move out, and I'm like, Okay, now I'm
feeling real good because I know if that does an
estris and they're all chasing her, she just laid a
trail that more bucks are going to follow.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Dude, it wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Ten minutes and here comes a nice ten point and
he walks right into the same gap where I missed
the one the day before, and I whiff on him
again and he runs and stops, and then I hammer
him on the second.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Show all right, and I get it.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yeah, I know I've built you up there, and I
hammer on the second shot.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
He runs off and dies and I'm freaking out and
it's on the video. Look at Jacob. I'm like, that
was terrible, Like what's wrong with me?
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Because we've just been talking about I had missed a
deer with a rifle in like five years, and I
just came apart. Well, then you know that doud run
through there earlier, and so Jacob still had a tag,
so he's like, give.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Him your gun, you take the camera. We're staying. So
I was like, okay, so smart man.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
We switch, and probably half an hour later, here comes
another mature buck. Jacob shoots it double just like that.
That's that's like the craziest rut hunt we've ever had. Man,
That's like the kind of hunt that you just live
for that you wait every year you hope for a
hunt like that, and every once in a while you
get one.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Every once in a while you'll get them. But they
they're not too they're not that often. They're not as
often as hunting shows depict them to be. Like I
would just say that like when you're when you're on
public ground, like those days are few and far between.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I find Oh.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Yeah, man, I could go down a rabbit hole in
the hunt show thing. But you know, we've interviewed hundreds
of the best deer hunters in the Southeast, like local
legends like Jacob and I are not the best deer
hunters by any means, but the people that we interview
are some of the best. They really are, And they're
not TV guys. These are guys that are shooting nice
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deer on public ground every year. But if you look
at their walls, Like my good friend Michael Perry, he
holds the state record for muzzleloader bucks or a mussloater
buck in Alabama. Killed one hundred and ninety six inch
buck on public ground in Alabama. And if you go
to his house, he's got so his house is like
a bass pro shops. I mean, taxidermy he's got bears,
(31:40):
moves everything. But if you look at his whitetail wall,
he's got a wall slam full of one hundred and
fifteen one hundred and twenty inch deer, and then he's
got several that are over the one forty more like.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Probably seven or eight.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
But that's like a whole lifetime of him being a
great hunter. And what people I don't realize is you
watch these shows man, and people are hammering one hundred
and fifty inch deer all the time. That's just not
a comment like what the most successful guys in Alabama
are killing. If you kill one hundred and fifteen inch
deear in Alabama every year, you are a upper echelon
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deer hunter. Yeah, that's just reality because our four and
a half, five and a half year old bucks are
one hundred and fifteen hundred twenty inches a lot of times.
Every once in a while you get that one fifty
or bigger. But that's a common theme man across. We
know guys who've killed one seventies, one, nineties, one eighties
in Alabama and that's usually like they kill one.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Of those in their life. Yeah, maybe two oh if
they're lucky.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well, you said it best, like though, I think the
guys that are they're just natural born killers. They they
they're woodsman first, like that's what they all. There's one
thread in between all those guys and that are all woodsmen.
They know how to read terrain, they know what thermals
are doing, and they just get in there. They get
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out and you will hear them brag about it. You
don't really see it on their wall, Like you'll see
it on their walls, but you don't see it on
their Facebook walls a lot. Like, yeah, they're just natural killers.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Yeah, that's pretty common.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
We're always looking for the guys who aren't on social media,
and some of our best even the guys who are
on social media, some of our best interviews. If you
go look through their Facebook page or whatever, you might
see a couple of butts, but like their biggest deer
are not on social media.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
No.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, that's why I stopped posting so long ago, because
I'm like, it's not a fake, Like just get out
there and hunt, just like be about the hunt.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Yeah man, go enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah. All right, our last segment, I leave it open
to you.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
This is your time to either you know, promote your shows,
tell people where to go and provide people Like what's
your best advice for like young hunters, what would you
say that looks like? For Andrew Maxwell of The Outdoors
The Southern Doorsman.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Best advice for young hunters is like, man, keep it simple,
like go out there and figure it out for yourself.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
And what I mean by that is you can listen to.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
A podcast, you can watch videos, and you can you
can get ideas that.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Will shorten your learning curve.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
But at the end of the day, I mentioned Michael
Perry earlier, Michael Perry, Jamie McKay, Tony Myers. These are
guys that they all live in a similar area. They've
all known each other for a long time, They've all
learned from each other, and they hunt similar but they're there.
Each of them are their own hunter, like they do
things differently even though they hunt the same area. They
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have learned from each other in the past. They each
kind of took something from their buddies and applied it,
but ultimately made it their own. So like you can
listen to a lot of tactic talk and it's really helpful,
but at the end of the day, it's just like
with the scouting thing. At the end of the day,
you can find what looks good on the map, but
got to go figure it out yourself, put your boots
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on the ground. Same thing with the deer hunting man,
Like you can get kind of sucked into a wormhole
with the tactics talk. And it's good. It can help
unless you unless you overdo it. You know, if you
just consume tactics and consume tactics and you're constantly trying
new things and you're never figuring it out for yourself,
then you're not going to be very successful. And Jacob
(35:23):
and I have definitely went through that since we started
the podcast.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
We talked to a new guy every week, and so we're.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Constantly like flipping around tactics and trying this and then
trying that.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
But when we're successful is when we hammer down on
one thing, concentrate on it and kind of make it
our own, figure it out for ourselves and keep it simple.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Keep it simple. It's hard, but it's not complicated.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
All Right, Where do they find out more about the
Southern outdoorsman? And before you get to that, what is
your go to caliber right now for your deer gun?
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Right now? I'm shooting a seven milimeter oh eight. I
like it.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
It's just flat shooting. It's a lightweight gun, low recoil.
My wife can shoot it. My daughter will be able
to shoot it. But I grew up shooting a thirty
out six and I love a thirty out six. And
the gun that I'm actually gonna hunt with this year
is the gun I grew up hunting with. It's a
Remington Model seven twenty one. My grandfather bought it in.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Like the fifties, early fifties, pre dates to seven hundred.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
I killed my first probably fifteen deer with that rifle,
and this year I'm dusting it off.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
I'm bringing that back out in the woods. So I'm
super excited about shooting another dear with that gun.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Man, that's awesome. Where do they find out more Man, We're.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
All over the place.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
You can find the podcast anywhere that podcasts are found, Apple, Spotify,
it's just the Southern Outdoorsmen.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
And then YouTube as well.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
So we transitioned over to being a video podcast a
couple of years back, and so now everything's on YouTube
and that's been huge for us. Man.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
We put a lot into.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
The video podcast as far as production quality we travel to.
All our guests do everything in person. So if you're
gonna watch, go to YouTube, man. That's where you get
the full experience is YouTube, and you get to see
that the deer that we're talking about a lot.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Of times, you know, if we're the guy's house or whatever.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
So that's cool.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Check us out man YouTube, And of course we got
the website Southern Outdoorsman dot com.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well, I sure to appreciate Andrew. That is it for
us here at guntalt Han. As always, folks, keep those
muscles pointing in a safe direction and always be on
that
On this gun talk hunt, We've got Andrew Maxwell the
Southern Outdoorsman podcast talking southeastern deer hunting tactics.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey, I'm kJ, dedicated lifelong hunter here. If you've got
an interest in all things hunting, you're in.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
The right spot.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Whether chasing twelve across the plains of Oklahoma, we're in
pursuit of belk in the back country of British Columbia,
you'll always find.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Me on the hunt. All right, Welcome in, all you
gun talk hunters. I'm your host kJ, and with me
is Andrew Maxwell of the Southern Outdoorsman podcast and I
mean YouTube show.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
You guys got to gut it everywhere.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
But this episode is brought to you by Snapsafe, Timny Triggers,
Range Ready Studios, Remington Amo, and Savage Arms. Thank you
for all those guys. Andrew, how you doing, dude?
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Now?
Speaker 5 (00:46):
I'm doing great, man, Just trying to survive this summer.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I have a feeling that we're getting into that time
of the year where everybody's like, Okay, is it time
to get down in the at least low eighties.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I wish, I wish.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Actually, I just got back from North Carolina and it
was like seventy eight degrees up there during the day
up in the high country.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
It was I didn't want to come back.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
No, I wouldn't want to come back.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I mean, we're down here, We're sucked into the ginormous
heat dome and it's one hundred and twenty degrees out
and one hundred percent of humidity. I'll pass on that.
But so we want to start talking a little bit
about the I want to start opening up about who
the Southern outdoorsman is and where did that all come from.
(01:32):
Talk a little bit about your background too.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Man So born and raised in Alabama, grew up hunting
here in some local WMA's and some clubs. Always been
a deer hunter, but we also grew up small game
hunting dove, squirrel, rabbit, you name it. Didn't start hunting
turkey still little bit later. But when I was a kid,
I grew up around a lot of deer hunters, but
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I was never mentored by really great hunters.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
My dad, he was more of a.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Small game guy because back when he was growing up,
there wasn't that many deer in Alabama. It was most
of the guys around him were small game guys just
because the white tail opportunity wasn't there. So when fast forward,
you know, my dad he deer hunted when we were kids,
but he wasn't very good at it. God bless them,
he just wasn't very good at it. We always had
(02:20):
a lot of success squirrel hunting and stuff, but man,
the deer it was tough. When I was fourteen, he
ended up passing away unexpectedly, and I was lucky enough
to have one of my best friends in school at
the time. His dad was a big deer hunter, and
that guy, Ben George. He's a woodsman. We use that
term a lot. He's just he just understands the woods
(02:42):
and how the critters act. And we always make the
joke he'd kill a deer in a Walmart parking lot.
So after I started hunting with them, he started mentoring
me a little bit more, and I would go to
their club with them and hunt. And when I turned
sixteen and got my driver's license, I was itching to go,
but I could only go when they invited me. So
I started going back out to the local wa And
I mean, man, if there was like are you could
(03:05):
make a comedy show out of those first years when
I was hunting when I was like sixteen and seventeen,
it was bad.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
And fast forward a couple more years, I just I
kept getting further and further into it, and I wanted
to start doing outdoor writing. One day, That's kind of
what I wanted my career to be, right, And I
was writing locally for a magazine called aon Alabama Outdoor
News and Georgia Outdoor News, and I was just doing
(03:34):
like hunt reports, like hey, the white oaks are dropping
this week in Shelby County whatever. And I couldn't get
into any like premium print magazines because I was like eighteen,
had no business writing for any.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Magazine like that. But I still wanted to practice, you know,
and keep writing.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
So I started my own blog and it's called The
Southern Outdoorsman, and the idea was just publish articles so
I could have a portfolio and I could get reps
and whatnot. And that pretty quickly evolved into The Southern
Outdoorsman podcast. My best friend Jacob Myers started it with me,
and that's kind of the birth of The Southern Outdoorsman
(04:12):
as we started that in February of twenty eighteen. Basically
as something that as a resource that we wished that
we had. There were some other hunting podcasts at the time,
but none of them were focused on the Southeast, and
so we're like, we know some really good deer hunters,
let's just try to interview them and let's just make
it a podcast.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
And so that's kind of where it came from.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That's awesome, man, I will tell you, having hunted in
a lot of different states, the Southeast seems to be
one of those areas that is increasingly difficult for hunters
to master, at least from my point of view. Like,
if you can master hunting in the Southeast, especially for
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white tails, I really feel like those skills are transferable
across the country to pursue white tails.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Oh yeah, that's a that's a We joke about it
all the time.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
We're like, man, if you can kill a buck in Alabama,
you kill one anywhere, you know. And I do think
that's true. I really do, because down here. One reason
that the Midwestern stuff was never relatable to us is
because they'd be writing about love this bean field that
you know, you got to go glass the back of
the beanfield you gotta find I'm like, I don't even
know what a soybean plant looks like. Legitimately, when we
(05:25):
started the podcast, I didn't know what like a bean
looked like, like a soybean plant and uh and so
it was just totally unrelatable. I'm like, all we have
is pine trees and yeah, you know, little skinny creek
bottoms that have some white oaks in them, but that's
about it.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, you turn out like if you captured a deer
in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, any of those, and you turn
them loose to where eye hunt in Oklahoma, they drive
themselves crazy looking for a tree, I mean, anything to
hide behind because they can slip in and slip out.
And that's one of the toughest things is is finding
travel corridors and areas which you know that there's deer
(06:01):
there and and holds deer because it could be they
could be anywhere.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Yeah, and that's where the woodsmanship comes in.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, understanding what the what the habitat is, how the
deer use it, how to read the sign because most
of the time you're not seeing the deer until it's
standing in front.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Of you in boat range or rifle range.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
You know, you're we don't have a lot of opportunities
to go out and glass deer and put eyes on
them before a hunt. And that's that's one thing that
they've gotten the Midwest is all my Midwestern buddies right
now in late July, they're driving around, they're looking at beanfields,
and they're finding their target bucks.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
That just doesn't happen down here.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Your target buck is in the Southeast. Is the one
that shows up on the day that has some maturity
on the hoof, Like that's just how you find them,
or maybe they cross the road in front of your
truck as you're driving in. But man, I just or
how much are using in trail cameras nowadays? How has
that changed your your scouting approach, cause that's that's the
(07:00):
only way you can really do it.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I use trail cameras quite a bit now. I don't
necessarily hunt off of them. I usually use them just
to find bucks, Like just to put myself in an
area where I know there's a really nice buck that
I want to have a chance at.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I usually don't kill them.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
But you know, I at least see what's there and
I'm in the area that I want to be in.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, that's that's how if you're using and see, that's
where a lot of guys get off get get it wrong.
Is they when they start setting up those trail cameras.
What I find they do most of the times is
they're setting them on like that food source out in
Texas to Oklahoma. You know a lot of those states
that you can plan a feeder at. Uh, they will
(07:44):
set it right at the feeder and whenever it's coming in,
that's when it goes and all of a sudden, hunting
season starts. You start hunting the feeder and you're like,
where'd that buck go? Well, yeah, you you are in
its area? Like they know, they understand, but they need
to use cameras to hunt off of just like what
(08:05):
you said, just you know he's in the area. Now,
let's pick the terrain features. Go off the terrain features
and the you know, the funnels that are pushing them
through there. That's every big buck I get on camera,
they're always at night. And why do you think that is?
You got to think, well, well, why aren't you getting
any day pictures of this buck? Because he's got to
be somewhere in the day, right.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Oh yeah, And We like putting our cameras on scrapes
for that reason. Most of the places we hunt, usually it's public,
sometimes it's clubs. You can't put out any bait or
anything like that. You could, you can find a food
plot to put a camera on it, but but I
like finding a scrape close to cover that I can
put a camera on. And it doesn't matter what time
of year it is, the bucks are gonna be coming
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by that scrape. Like right now in July, I've got
several cameras up on scrapes, and the bucks still come by.
They don't pull the ground out, but they work the
liquing branch, and so that's how we get our bucket inventory.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
And I have killed some bucks over those scrapes over.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
The years, but usually you're just like you said, you're
killing them in the vicinity of the scrape. You know,
you might not be right on top of it, but
you can kind of put two and two together. You're like, oh,
he's coming to this scrape. And a lot of times,
if you're close to cover and you're in a good area,
you do get daytime pictures of them. But you can
kind of put two and two together and say Okay, well,
here's the thicket over here. You know, there's a big
(09:24):
oak flat over there, here's a scrape in the middle,
and just start putting it together from there.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I mean it's it's hard, but it's not complicated.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Now, huh.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Don't overrun the cameras either. I mean, you start running
like fifty sixty cameras and I'm gonna get right Like
those guys, I'm like, man, what are you trying to prove?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Like?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I don't like who.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Has money for all that all those batteries anyway, So
let's talk a little bit about you know, finding, because
you're a big public land hunter, like that's kind of
where you guys really strive and thrive within those environments.
What would you say, are like four like processes that
(10:03):
you guys use to identify like the areas to hunt
on public ground.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Well, first and foremost, it starts with habitat.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Typically what we're looking for no matter where we go,
it doesn't matter for an Alabama.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Georgia or Kansas. We look for habitat diversity.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So I want to find where it's not just one
type of cover. I want to find where there's multiple
kinds of cover coming together.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
And I mean, really that's.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I don't want to say that's the end all be all,
but if that's the only thing that you took away
from the conversation, that's a really good tip.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Like down here in pine country, it might all be pine.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Trees, but it's it's not a monoculture of all the
same age pine trees. You might have some young pines
that are thick underneath. You might have some big, giant,
mature pines that are open underneath. You might have some
pines that have been select cut that have a nice
unders story. And once you start identifying all those different
woodblocks and go into the areas where they meet and
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looking at those edges.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
That's when you're gonna start finding deer. So that's first
and foremost.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Second, if I'm in an area that has terrain, I'm
gonna look for terrain features, you know, your saddles, bowls.
Some people call them thermal hubs. We grew up calling
them bowls, which is just where multiple creek drainages all
meet together. So after I find the habitat that I want,
then I start looking for the terrain features, and then
(11:33):
I just after that, it's boots on the ground scouting.
You know, your typical whitetail stuff. You know, identify the bedding,
identify the food. And sometimes in the Southeast, well actually
most of the time in the Southeast, that's very intertwined.
Like that pine thicket that they're bedding in is also
basically a food plot. They can eat in the pine thicket.
They don't really have to come out of it, which
(11:54):
makes it tough. But I mean, honestly, those are those
are the two starting points you can get kind of
in the weeds with like trying to avoid pressure and
identify where people are gonna go.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
But as a starting point looking for an area to start, just.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Look for habitat diversity first and then look for your
train features. Find the diversity, find the cover, then look
for the train features.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I had a It's funny you mentioned that because
I used to call them bulls too, and I've always
been if you can find a good bowl or thermal hub, like,
if you can find it, there's always typically one tree
within that area that I feel like bucks just gravitate around,
like it's like that's their needle. Like I've had that
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on several different properties that I've hunted over the years.
That I'm like, if I can find that hub, and
I find that one tree, and if I hang in
that tree and it's a good wind, you have to
tune it the right wind, but there is a better
than like seventy percent chance you're gonna shoot something out
of that tree. And I don't know what it was
(13:00):
about that that those trees, but it was just like
always that one because you'd sit back there and you'd
watch you go like there, they all like that's that
one tree.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
They'll either pass it or something.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
But that's one thing that I noticed that that kept
me intrigued about those like hub areas the bowls is
that if you can find there's one gonna be one
tree in there, it's going to be a consistent producer.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, a lot of times I call that a focal point.
It's just where that those deer don't have on X.
You know, they're following trails or they're using visual landmarks.
And I've even seen this in South Alabama where you
getting those long lease pine savannahs and.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
It'll be as far as you can see.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You probably have this in Louisiana too, big long leaf
pine savannahs, flat as a pancake, nothing out there, but
a bunch of telephone pole, pine trees, maybe some tall grass,
and you'll see it where there'll be like a fallen
tree in the middle of it, and it's like every
gear that crosses that field walks around the front of
that fallen tree.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
And for you, I'm like, why do they do that?
And I think it's I literally think.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
They get out there and they're looking and they're like, oh,
there's that tree, and that's like their little visual landmark
that they use.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I never thought about them doing that because yeah, I
just thought it was well, it's always natural. But but
you think about it, and you go into these these
deer betting areas or or you go out to hunt,
you're going into their house, like that's their house. So
oh yeah, if you were walking through your house and
you had your eyes closed and then you open them,
you know exactly where you're at. They're the same way,
(14:33):
like they're they're looking off those landmarks. I've never really
thought about it that way because, yeah, they don't have
on exits, which I mean is a great segue into
my next thing. How much does digital scouting help you
determine where you want to focus? Your attention on on
public land.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Man, it helps a ton, and it's because really at
the end of the day you have to go put
boots on the ground and scout it. You can get
to where you can hunt blind and you can find
a spot on the map and go to it, and
it's good. But most of the time you've got to
put boots on the ground. But we've all got limited
time to do that. And where the e scouting has
(15:11):
helped me is I can identify the areas that I
think are gonna hold deer and I can go straight
to them, and sometimes it's a dud, sometimes it's not,
and I can go on.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
To the next one. Right.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
So that's where the habitat thing comes in that I
mentioned earlier, is if I can go and I can identify, like, Okay,
this stand looks like it's probably going to be thick
underneath based on what I see on the satellite image.
I can see the crowns of the trees there, they're separated.
I can see the individual trees and the like a
pine plantation, it doesn't look like a green carpet where
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you can't see through the canopy at all. If I
see that and I'm like, Okay, there's probably some good
cover underneath there, so I can go straight to that
spot and I can run those edges. I might not
walk around the middle of it, but I can walk
those edges and I can find the scrapes, the rubs,
the trails coming out of it, and be efficient of
my time and just hit that spot, check it, go
(16:03):
to the next one.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Man, that's one of the most fit.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Like the biggest things about scouting, especially boots on the
ground is being efficient with your time.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
That's a great tip. Man.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Just just scout the edges because you're gonna find what
you want to hunt. Like, you can find what you
want to hunt, and whether or not you have to
go in.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Right oh yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And most of the
time you end up killing the deer on those edges. Yeah,
you know, you don't have to go into that thicket.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
They're gonna come out of it or run the edge
of it, especially in the rut those bucks. Many they'll
either be coming in and out or they'll be running
that edge. And those are some of our best spots
are just thick edges where maybe two edges meet, like
maybe you've got like one of My favorite setups is
where you find maybe a clear cut that's like five
(16:50):
years old and it's just like dog hair thick, Like,
don't even try to walk into it.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Where that meets some thin pines.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Maybe these pines are like twenty years old there, maybe
about ten inches around, but they've come through and they've
finned it, meaning they've they've cut out like a certain
number of those trees to open the canopy. Well, then
the understory that's also going to be kind of thick,
but it's going to be a different vegetation component than
that five year old clearcut. Right, and then maybe adjoining
(17:19):
both of those, there's another pine stand and maybe that
one hadn't been thinned yet, and it's just it's that
green carpet I was talking about. Those canopies are all touching,
they're all intertwined. There's no sunlight getting to the forest floor,
and it's like a it's like a pine straw.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Desert under there. Yeah, there's nothing. Well, if you can
sit where those three meet, that's usually a pretty good spot.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, that's a good point. I like it.
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we're back with Andrew Maxwell, and Hey, we are talking
about public land hunting, how to get out there, how
to maximize your time. Now let's talk about the gear
to get you out there. Andrew, what are you hunting with?
(21:21):
I know, I mean bow hunting, rifle hunting, You muzzleoad
or everything.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
So what your setup look.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Like for getting in a tree or my weapon.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
For getting in the tree?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Okay, man, it depends on the situation. I like a
little bit of everything. I've got a climber, I've got
lock ons, I've got saddles. I usually find myself in
a saddle just because it's you know, lightweight, easy to carry,
pretty easy to get in a tree with. But it's
just a tool in the toolbox for me. I'm not
die hard on anything. There's certain situations where I might
(21:58):
want to be in a lock on where instead of
facing the tree like you do in a saddle, I'm
instead sitting in the tree facing out. And usually that's
when I'm in a real lemmy tree like a ceedar
or something like that, and where it's just gonna be
easier to put my back to the tree and shoot
out of the canopy rather than have all that crap
in front of me when I'm sitting in the saddle.
So it just depends on the situation. Would I have
(22:22):
started doing a lot more now? I have a climber,
but I haven't used it in two or three years
because I started one sticking, which a lot of people
think is ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I was one of those people. I thought it was
the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
But the thing about the one stick is I can
climb any tree to any hype as long as I've
got the rope long enough to repel out of it.
I can climb literally to the top of a pine tree,
like the top of the pine tree, if I want to.
And for rifle hunting, dude, that's money.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Oh yeah, because you add distance. So okay, here's a
really good question. When you one stick it and you're
going up high into a tree, are you what are
you using for support for the gun?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Are you just shooting off hand?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Usually I'm shooting off the tree.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
So I'll have my bridge and teathers setting away where
I can get I can get a hand on the
tree and rest my rifle on that.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
That's one way you can shoot.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
You can also I'll hang my backpack on the tree
in front of me and have the backpack hanging like
right there at the perfect height, so I can rest
my rifle across the backpack.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
There's other ways that.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
You can brace your arm on the bridge like this
and shoot off your arm. So when I first started
saddle hunting. I was not confident at all and shooting
a rifle out of it. But Jacob, my co host
and Kohner of the podcasts, he's really good at it.
He showed me how to do it, and now I
feel very confident shooting.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
At distance out of a saddle. Uh, you just got to.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Make sure your gears dialed and you if you are
thinking about getting into that, you need to get in
your saddle with a gun and just recomen shooting out
of it.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
But really you can dry fire out of it. Whatever
you got to do.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
If you just tur in the backyard, might get some
weird looks from your neighbors, but uh, you know, get
up in that tree.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
You don't even have to get twenty feet up, just
get up at ground level.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, figure out where your your bridge and your tether
needs to be, how long they need to be to
get comfortable and get to where you can get a
hand on that tree and rest your rifle on your
hand against the tree, off the bridge, off your backpack,
whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I'm telling you that's that's one thing that a lot
of guys take for granted, is they get this set up,
they get a nice set up a saddle, set up.
Then they go out in the woods and it's like
the first day they they really set it up and
they really hunt with it is the day they go
out and that, man, that's just a that's a recipe
for disaster. It's a recipe for miss deer. And that's tough.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
When you drop a shot on a big buck, it
kind of it's a gut punch, and you know what
would have fixed it was preparation in the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Oh yeah, Like my stepdad, we're having this conversation with
him to see gets more into saddle hunting. I'm like, dude,
he's got property he can shoot on. Mike, get up
in that saddle with a twenty two and just shoot
pune cons like whatever you got to do, Like, get
up in that thing and shoot at multiple angles. Twenty
two is easy, it's cheap ammo, and just practice because
(25:20):
you don't want to scout all summer on all fall
and then you get to you finally get that deer
in front of you and you just can't make it happen.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
I've been there. I mean that's happened to me several times.
Oh yeah, it's because I didn't in practice like I
should add.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Oh, it just kills me.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
It's like when I go to a competition or something
like that, and I've had all this time to lead
up to, like practice and do really well, and I
get to a competition, I'm like, well, why am I
shooting so bad?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Well, you got to practice, and it always falls on
my shoulders, is what it is.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And that's it's an unfortunate spot that you're in because
you're like, you put so much heart and effort into preparing,
but you don't prepare in the right way. It's like
going out and buying a brand new gun and saying, man,
I'm good now.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
It doesn't work like that. It does It does not
work like that. Uh oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Let's uh, let's jump into like some memorable hunts for you.
And is there anything that stands out to a memorable
buck when it comes like everything just happens to come together.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Is there any stories that you've got like that?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Yeah, we had We had a hundred a couple of
years ago, man, Jacob, where we were hunting some public
ground here in Alabama, and it was a draw hunt.
So you get limited time on the property, you get
three and a half days to hunt it, or no,
you get three full days to hunt it. You get ok, uh,
Thursday afternoon, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday morning, so it equals
(26:49):
three full days. But uh, we'd we'd been out there, man,
and we were just getting our tails handed to us.
We weren't seeing that many deer. And it's a really
good property, like we should have been seeing some deer.
It was on the very, very very front end of
the rut. This is like around January ninth, and in
that particular area of the rut's more mid January, so
you're kind of right there. When you're on the front
edge of it. It's getting going, but it's not wide
(27:11):
open yet.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, and we we just.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Walked all day, literally walked all day just trying to
find deer because we weren't see anything up to that point.
This was a Friday, so or no, this is Saturday,
so we've times running out. So we come around this
ridge and we get to the spot and I peek
over my bios and I see two doughs down in
this oak creek, bottom down in a bowl, and I'm like, okay,
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there's dose. We're climbing right here because this you know,
start of the rut. And I'm like, this is as
good as we found so far. We were seeing some
bucks hign. So we jack up a tree and I'm shooting,
Jacob's filming and it gets to be about dark and
the biggest buck I've ever had an opportunity yet starts
walking up that thermal hub.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
I couldn't see it. Jacob was in a different tree
than I was. And Jacob's like, hey, there's a buck.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Coming shooter, and this place has pretty stringent antler requirement.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
So if it's a shooter, it's a good deer, right,
And I'm waiting.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
I'm like looking, I can't see it, can't see it.
And Jacob turns to me. He's like, Andrew, this is
the biggest deer you're ever gonna shoot. And so now
I'm like, okay, like every pressure have ever shot, because
those are two those are probably two different things. And
finally I get to see the deer and now I'm
shook up. And man, he walks out perfect, like one
hundred and ten yards wide open, works a scrape and
(28:31):
I mean I whiff on him, whiffed on him with
a rifle shot over his back. He runs and stops
shoot again.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
This again.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I missed the deer four times. I missed him four times.
So I'm about ready to jump out of the tree
at this point. And we get down and I'm pretty
down in the dumps, and Jacob's like, hey, let's just
go back there tomorrow, like he was in there for
a reason.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
So I was like, okay, whatever, last morning of the hunt.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
We go in there the next morning and man, it's
probably seven and we hear crashing coming right down from
in the bowl, just like the morning before. And we
look over and here comes the dough. She's getting chased
by a buck, not a legal buck, but rack buck,
you know, decent deer, but not something we were gonna shoot.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
And then here comes another buck, and another buck and
another buck. There's five bucks chasing her and just going.
They were snort, wheezing, they were fighting.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
One of them ended up breathing the dough, and I
think one of them was a shooter, but it was
like such chaos. I couldn't get on him, and so
they all move out, and I'm like, Okay, now I'm
feeling real good because I know if that does an
estris and they're all chasing her, she just laid a
trail that more bucks are going to follow.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Dude, it wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Ten minutes and here comes a nice ten point and
he walks right into the same gap where I missed
the one the day before, and I whiff on him
again and he runs and stops, and then I hammer
him on the second.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Show all right, and I get it.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yeah, I know I've built you up there, and I
hammer on the second shot.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
He runs off and dies and I'm freaking out and
it's on the video. Look at Jacob. I'm like, that
was terrible, Like what's wrong with me?
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Because we've just been talking about I had missed a
deer with a rifle in like five years, and I
just came apart. Well, then you know that doud run
through there earlier, and so Jacob still had a tag,
so he's like, give.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Him your gun, you take the camera. We're staying. So
I was like, okay, so smart man.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
We switch, and probably half an hour later, here comes
another mature buck. Jacob shoots it double just like that.
That's that's like the craziest rut hunt we've ever had. Man,
That's like the kind of hunt that you just live
for that you wait every year you hope for a
hunt like that, and every once in a while you
get one.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Every once in a while you'll get them. But they
they're not too they're not that often. They're not as
often as hunting shows depict them to be. Like I
would just say that like when you're when you're on
public ground, like those days are few and far between.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I find Oh.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Yeah, man, I could go down a rabbit hole in
the hunt show thing. But you know, we've interviewed hundreds
of the best deer hunters in the Southeast, like local
legends like Jacob and I are not the best deer
hunters by any means, but the people that we interview
are some of the best. They really are, And they're
not TV guys. These are guys that are shooting nice
(31:19):
deer on public ground every year. But if you look
at their walls, Like my good friend Michael Perry, he
holds the state record for muzzleloader bucks or a mussloater
buck in Alabama. Killed one hundred and ninety six inch
buck on public ground in Alabama. And if you go
to his house, he's got so his house is like
a bass pro shops. I mean, taxidermy he's got bears,
(31:40):
moves everything. But if you look at his whitetail wall,
he's got a wall slam full of one hundred and
fifteen one hundred and twenty inch deer, and then he's
got several that are over the one forty more like.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Probably seven or eight.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
But that's like a whole lifetime of him being a
great hunter. And what people I don't realize is you
watch these shows man, and people are hammering one hundred
and fifty inch deer all the time. That's just not
a comment like what the most successful guys in Alabama
are killing. If you kill one hundred and fifteen inch
deear in Alabama every year, you are a upper echelon
(32:15):
deer hunter. Yeah, that's just reality because our four and
a half, five and a half year old bucks are
one hundred and fifteen hundred twenty inches a lot of times.
Every once in a while you get that one fifty
or bigger. But that's a common theme man across. We
know guys who've killed one seventies, one, nineties, one eighties
in Alabama and that's usually like they kill one.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Of those in their life. Yeah, maybe two oh if
they're lucky.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well, you said it best, like though, I think the
guys that are they're just natural born killers. They they
they're woodsman first, like that's what they all. There's one
thread in between all those guys and that are all woodsmen.
They know how to read terrain, they know what thermals
are doing, and they just get in there. They get
(32:57):
out and you will hear them brag about it. You
don't really see it on their wall, Like you'll see
it on their walls, but you don't see it on
their Facebook walls a lot. Like, yeah, they're just natural killers.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Yeah, that's pretty common.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
We're always looking for the guys who aren't on social media,
and some of our best even the guys who are
on social media, some of our best interviews. If you
go look through their Facebook page or whatever, you might
see a couple of butts, but like their biggest deer
are not on social media.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
No.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, that's why I stopped posting so long ago, because
I'm like, it's not a fake, Like just get out
there and hunt, just like be about the hunt.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Yeah man, go enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah. All right, our last segment, I leave it open
to you.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
This is your time to either you know, promote your shows,
tell people where to go and provide people Like what's
your best advice for like young hunters, what would you
say that looks like? For Andrew Maxwell of The Outdoors
The Southern Doorsman.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Best advice for young hunters is like, man, keep it simple,
like go out there and figure it out for yourself.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
And what I mean by that is you can listen to.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
A podcast, you can watch videos, and you can you
can get ideas that.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Will shorten your learning curve.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
But at the end of the day, I mentioned Michael
Perry earlier, Michael Perry, Jamie McKay, Tony Myers. These are
guys that they all live in a similar area. They've
all known each other for a long time, They've all
learned from each other, and they hunt similar but they're there.
Each of them are their own hunter, like they do
things differently even though they hunt the same area. They
(34:42):
have learned from each other in the past. They each
kind of took something from their buddies and applied it,
but ultimately made it their own. So like you can
listen to a lot of tactic talk and it's really helpful,
but at the end of the day, it's just like
with the scouting thing. At the end of the day,
you can find what looks good on the map, but
got to go figure it out yourself, put your boots
(35:02):
on the ground. Same thing with the deer hunting man,
Like you can get kind of sucked into a wormhole
with the tactics talk. And it's good. It can help
unless you unless you overdo it. You know, if you
just consume tactics and consume tactics and you're constantly trying
new things and you're never figuring it out for yourself,
then you're not going to be very successful. And Jacob
(35:23):
and I have definitely went through that since we started
the podcast.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
We talked to a new guy every week, and so we're.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Constantly like flipping around tactics and trying this and then
trying that.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
But when we're successful is when we hammer down on
one thing, concentrate on it and kind of make it
our own, figure it out for ourselves and keep it simple.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Keep it simple. It's hard, but it's not complicated.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
All Right, Where do they find out more about the
Southern outdoorsman? And before you get to that, what is
your go to caliber right now for your deer gun?
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Right now? I'm shooting a seven milimeter oh eight. I
like it.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
It's just flat shooting. It's a lightweight gun, low recoil.
My wife can shoot it. My daughter will be able
to shoot it. But I grew up shooting a thirty
out six and I love a thirty out six. And
the gun that I'm actually gonna hunt with this year
is the gun I grew up hunting with. It's a
Remington Model seven twenty one. My grandfather bought it in.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Like the fifties, early fifties, pre dates to seven hundred.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
I killed my first probably fifteen deer with that rifle,
and this year I'm dusting it off.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
I'm bringing that back out in the woods. So I'm
super excited about shooting another dear with that gun.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Man, that's awesome. Where do they find out more Man, We're.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
All over the place.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
You can find the podcast anywhere that podcasts are found, Apple, Spotify,
it's just the Southern Outdoorsmen.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
And then YouTube as well.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
So we transitioned over to being a video podcast a
couple of years back, and so now everything's on YouTube
and that's been huge for us. Man.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
We put a lot into.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
The video podcast as far as production quality we travel to.
All our guests do everything in person. So if you're
gonna watch, go to YouTube, man. That's where you get
the full experience is YouTube, and you get to see
that the deer that we're talking about a lot.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Of times, you know, if we're the guy's house or whatever.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
So that's cool.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Check us out man YouTube, And of course we got
the website Southern Outdoorsman dot com.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well, I sure to appreciate Andrew. That is it for
us here at guntalt Han. As always, folks, keep those
muscles pointing in a safe direction and always be on
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