September 6, 2025 • 30 mins
Want to be more successful in the field? Start long before the hunt begins.
In this episode of Gun Talk Hunt, host KJ brings together an all-star panel of expert hunters, competitive shooters, guides, and industry insiders—including David Draper, Tristan Davies, Neil Sanders, and Kalvyn Ferronato—to unpack what really makes or breaks a big game hunt.
From NRL Hunter competitions to guided elk and tar hunt experiences in Colorado and New Zealand, this episode delves into the critical role of preparation, practice, and selecting the right gear.
This Gun Talk Hunt is brought to you by Savage Arms, Timney Triggers, Range Ready Studios, Vortex Optics, and Remington Ammunition.
Get 5% off any order at Optics Planet with code GUNTALK.
About Gun Talk Hunt
Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Hunt, with Kevin “KJ” Jarnagin, pairs decades of experience with today’s latest tools and technology to help you succeed in the field. Whether it runs or flies - no matter what game you pursue - Gun Talk Hunt is a multi-platform podcast that gives today’s hunters a voice in the digital world.
For more content from Gun Talk Media, visit guntalk.com or subscribe on YouTube, Rumble, Facebook, Instagram, and X. Catch First Person Defender on the new Official FPD YouTube channel. Catch Gun Talk Hunt on the new dedicated YouTube Channel. Listen to all Gun Talk Podcasts with Spreaker, iHeart, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts.
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Gun Talk Hunt 09.06.25
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In this episode of Gun Talk Hunt, host KJ brings together an all-star panel of expert hunters, competitive shooters, guides, and industry insiders—including David Draper, Tristan Davies, Neil Sanders, and Kalvyn Ferronato—to unpack what really makes or breaks a big game hunt.
From NRL Hunter competitions to guided elk and tar hunt experiences in Colorado and New Zealand, this episode delves into the critical role of preparation, practice, and selecting the right gear.
This Gun Talk Hunt is brought to you by Savage Arms, Timney Triggers, Range Ready Studios, Vortex Optics, and Remington Ammunition.
Get 5% off any order at Optics Planet with code GUNTALK.
About Gun Talk Hunt
Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Hunt, with Kevin “KJ” Jarnagin, pairs decades of experience with today’s latest tools and technology to help you succeed in the field. Whether it runs or flies - no matter what game you pursue - Gun Talk Hunt is a multi-platform podcast that gives today’s hunters a voice in the digital world.
For more content from Gun Talk Media, visit guntalk.com or subscribe on YouTube, Rumble, Facebook, Instagram, and X. Catch First Person Defender on the new Official FPD YouTube channel. Catch Gun Talk Hunt on the new dedicated YouTube Channel. Listen to all Gun Talk Podcasts with Spreaker, iHeart, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts.
Copyright ©2025 Freefire Media, LLC
Gun Talk Hunt 09.06.25
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/gun-talk--6185159/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How do you get more successful at hunting? Well, a
lot of that is in the preparation that's on this
episode of Gun Talk Hunt. I'm kJ. You found the
right place.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We go all over this little.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Blue orb sharing stories and tactics about chasing wild gang.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now let's get on the hunt, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome in all you Gun Talk hunters. I'm your host kJ,
and welcome into another episode. This episode is brought to
you by Savage Arms, Timney Triggers, Remington, Amo, Range Ready Studios,
and VORTEXX. We have a tremendous panel and today we're
jumping into high stakes, heavy packs, strategies and stories that
(00:48):
make the hunt. And this is a great panel for
this because we have everyone ranging from editors to outdoorsmen,
to guides to industry professional.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We have it all on this panel.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
And first we're going to jump in with one of
my favorite NRL shooters on the circuit, mister David Draper.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
David, how you doing man?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Oh, I'm great. Thanks for having me on your kJ.
And I don't know if my name and n RL
should go together yet. I'm still I'm still struggling in
that boat front.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
No, it goes in there because you and I shot
our very first NRL match together and you out shot me,
and it was it was awesome to see because you know,
we took a course and then we jumped in. But
really it's all about I don't know, how would you
describe NRL hunter matches.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I mean, it's as close to real hunting you can
get in a competitive situation, I'd say, But it's just
as much about time and gear management as it is accuracy,
I would say, And that's that's where I fail. It's
a yard sale when that timer goes off for me,
stuff goes out, gear goes everywhere. I freak out. It's
(01:59):
it's not good.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It's a yeah, I would say, freak out.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think you're over exaggerating.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Just oh no, you didn't see me in Laramie.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Well, in Laramie, I heard it was super windy, like
it was just adverse conditions, is what I heard.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Forty mile an hour gusts. So the wind calls were challenging,
Oh my god, which oddly enough, I did really good
on the wind calls in Laramie because I because I lived,
I lived where the wind blows forty all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Right, That's why Oklahoma shooters are so good is because
they deal with the wind all the time. It just
it doesn't matter. That's just a part alive. But as
we talk about, you know, trends and topics and big
game hunting and where we go and what are you
seeing as far as trends, because in my mind, I
see NRL hunter as a as a growing trend in
(02:48):
our in our industry, just because it prepares people for hunting.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
What are you seeing?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, I would agree, you know you and I got
an inrail hunter. I don't know, probably thirteen fourteen months ago.
I shot three matches this year, and I do think
that is a growing trend. Obviously, long range shooting has
been really popular over the past four years. You know,
the technology has gotten better. Gun bills have gotten better,
Ammo's gotten better. Everybody has a ballistic app on their
(03:17):
phone now and can dial out to you know, whatever
range they want and can do so fairly accuracy. You know,
the garment zero came out and now there's not a
reason not to know your musclevelocity. That really takes away that. So,
you know, technology and the technology surrounding long range shooting
is really what I see over the past probably three
to five years that's really shown some growth, which longer
(03:40):
ning shooting and long range hunting. You know, that's a
whole separate, hour long conversation we can have. But I
think for interel hunter and that long range shooting, it
prepares you for the field like nothing else I've ever done.
It's not just sitting on a bench in shooting static targets.
It's it's figuring out range, figuring out ballistics, figuring out
your windage, and being comfortable in a high pressure situation,
which is what hunting is and what hunting should be.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So yeah, and you're doing it all under a four
minute or if you shoot teams a six minute clock.
I mean there's you're you're engaging targets, and you're engaging
from different shooting positions. With that comes what we what
we start to think about is gear. What gear makes
(04:22):
the hunt? What gear has helped you so tran because
you you have hunted since joining an NRL match and
competing in that, and this isn't going to be all
about n r L, so I promise we're going to
go more places than this. But what gear are you
seeing that that really have transferred out into the field.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
You know one thing that i've a gear and skills
wise both is and I saw especially this year an
n L hunter was double pool bipods bipods that get
you longer, taller than you would like a bipod, you're
going to be shooting prone. Double pool you can shoot
sitting sometimes depending on the situation. So you see a
lot of guys shooting double pool, and I've heard a
(05:02):
lot of guys carrying those in the field. The problem
is you're starting to add weight to to your firearm.
But so double pool bipods. Yeah. And then the skill
is rear tripods support, which I still struggle with. But
I started shooting that about halfway through the summer or
halfway through my match season, and it changed the game
for me by learning rear tripod support, And I thought,
(05:23):
is there a way to use this in the field?
And I think in certain situations are if you're packing
a tripod anyway to glast from, then there's no reason
not to use as a rear support and suit in
a certain situations. So I think skills wise and gear wise,
that's what I'm seeing. A big thing is just stable
supporting positions that are using everything you have.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, and there's no better way to get into those
positions than just to practice it. And I'm not the
best at going out and practicing those and sometimes it
happens on the clock and during a match or on
the hunt. Is a bad place to improvise. You're not
learning new skills. There's no way you're learning a new
(06:02):
skill and just going, oh, I saw this on YouTube,
I'm gonna go do it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, that doesn't work like that.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
No, No, not at all, but kind of. I mean,
one of the reasons I stuck with the NRAL Hunter
after that first match, and you're being generous to saying
I outshot you I had. I didn't have fully functional gear,
but my gear functioned a little better than yours. But
one of the reasons I like in the past few years,
I found my shooting skills have degraded. Some of its
age related, vision related, but also I just got lazy.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I was shooting off the bench.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I was shooting for tiny little groups because that's what
I do for work, Like I'm reviewing rifles. I'm shooting
for tiny little groups. And I wasn't shooting off drypods.
I wasn't shooting off bipods. I wasn't shooting unsupported or
field expedient rests. I was purely shooting off a bench.
And then when I got in the field, I had
some misses that I shouldn't have had on game animals. Unfortunately,
had some woundings I shouldn't have found in game animals
(06:51):
because I let my skills degrade and InterRail hunter forces
me to get back into hunting skills, not bent shooting skills.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Man.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's it, it's and that is a great segue. I
really appreciate you joining us, David. Uh great, that's that's
a great segue into into Tristan Davies, who's in the field.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
He is a guide.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And when I say a guide, I'm not talking a
guy who just sits you in a stand and then
walks away. The dude is on the side of the
mountain going up and down like slab rock.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I mean, Tristan, how you doing man?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Good man? How are you?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So what do you see And we talk about transferable
skills from shooters, Uh, you know, from a competition into
the field. What do you seeing when hunters show up
to your camp? Are you seeing better skilled shooters these days?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Uh? Not really? To be honest with you. Uh, most
guys will shoot their rifle in and they don't really
prepare too much. I mean, David hunted with me last year.
He obviously knows what he's doing. Uh, but a lot
of the guys don't really practice off tripods. They will
be shooting on a bench. I've had some guys that
(08:10):
have never even shot prone before, which is crazy to me,
but so we kind of I kind of tried to
help them out when they're when we take them to
the range for the first time, show them some things.
It really pays off when a guy knows their rifle.
So yeah, it really pays off.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Are you like, so you're you you like you just
debunked like my whole like hope for us as hunters
and shooters that we would actually prepare and especially like
guys are paying money for these hunts, Like they're paying
high dollar to go have this experience, and you're telling
me that more than likely they're not doing their due
diligence in practice.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
No not. I mean some guys are definitely, Like I
had one guy last year that really honed in on
it practice all summer, But some guys just don't do it.
I mean a lot of people are really busy and
they don't they don't really make it a priority. So
I kind of get it, but it yeah, they should
make it a priority if they're going on a once
in a lifetime Elk count or New Zealand Red Stagg that
(09:11):
sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
So people get out like practice, If you're gonna spend
the money, you might as well practice, don't buy better gear.
So let's transition to a little gear talk.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
So what are you.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Seeing hunters show up with in your camp that you
that you can spot it? And you go, okay, I'm
gonna be okay.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Uh, Well, when a guy starts running a mill scope,
if they start, if they know their CDA, like if
they're running a loophole scope, they have CDs on it,
they know how to run it, that sort of thing.
It's just I don't know, it's just kind of how
that goes.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
If I can take them to the range and they
can start cracking shots at four hundred plus yards and
they feel confident, it makes me a lot more confident
in their abilities. So that helps a lot. But yeah,
I mean it's it's just.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I would say that as a hunter, if you're showing up.
Do you get a lot of hunters contacting you before
hunts saying what gear should I buy? Uh?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, yeah, uh like for rifles themselves, not really, but
for gear like hunting related gear like optics and clothing
and packs and all that stuff. Yeah, scopes sometimes rifles,
not necessarily. Most of the guys are running like regular stuff, ruger's, uh, bigars,
(10:38):
that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
So so what would you say?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I'm trying to think of how to put this because
because I'm I'm always one of those guys that I.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Will call everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I will call everybody like if I'm going on hunt,
I'm like, Okay, what do I not need to bring?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
What do I need to bring?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And then I start trimming my pack from there and
I try to trim out weight because I don't want
the guy to like, if I go on a hunt
to go, yeah, you definitely won't need this, and they
start stripping my stuff and going this guy has no
clue what he's doing, And I wish he would have
just called me. What are a few pieces of gear
that guys typically bring that they do not need?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Uh? So in where I guide in Colorado, a guy
will probably never need a spotting scope. I always have one.
If a guy brings a tripod, that'd be awesome, especially
if he knows how to run it, But I always
bring on anyway. Like, honestly, all a guy really needs
is a good rifle, good pack, and good boots and
(11:39):
he'll be good to go. So as long as he
knows how to use those, he'll be set. Anything else
is you don't really need, like an eight pair ten
power bonos.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So so you've you've guided, You've got it all over
the world. Where would you say if a guy was
to say, you know what, I've got one hunt that
I want.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
To buy on. Put it on my could list.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Where would you probably recommend that you've been to and hunted?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Oh well, I haven't guy it all over, but I
would have to say Tar and Sham in New Zealand's
pretty top of the list. It's physically terrible sometimes, but
it's awesome, so it's just a good time. I mean,
you're out in the back country for days and days
and get rained on it. Just it sucks, but it's fun.
(12:27):
So that'd be my answer.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
You sold it like.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You sold me on going chasing Tar in New Zealand.
I know I don't mind the suck, and I think
that scares some guys away, but I think there's a
lot of folks that would would appreciate an experience like
that because I think I've seen some of your videos
on on Instagram and stuff of like helicoptering in and
(12:53):
doing all that kind of cool stuff. You still are
you gonna do that again this year?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, I'll be back well in Uh, I'll go over
there May or March through probably June next year. I
do it every year a couple months.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It's a good time, especially in the helicopter.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
You get a lot of experience jumping out of them
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
It's a blast.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
So I'll love every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I told you, the dude is everywhere and I love it. Man, Tristan,
thanks for joining me. All right, Guys, Hey, we're gonna
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Neil Sanders, one of my favorite guys from SDS imports.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Neil, how you doing man? How's Texas?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
It's hot.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's a good way to put it.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Yeah, Well, I've been on just got back from a
road trip twenty three days long, so it was hot everywhere,
but it's even hotter here, so I don't know it's
going to be home briefly. I'll be in Kansas City tomorrow.
It's that time of year, show season.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
It's show season, which is good because a lot of
new products are coming out and you've got a lot
of items to roll out. I'm not sure if we
almost talked about one last time.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
But we weren't quite there yet.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Are you about ready to start talking about a little
bit a new product for hunting?
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Yes, you are, and do you have? David saw it? Yeah? Fine,
David saw it last week. You know it's.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
You know, we're really excited about it. So it's under
our spandout brand, a new bolt action hunting rifle built
on a seven hundred platform. It's a blueprinted seven hundred action.
So you don't like our woodstock. You want to carbon fiber,
(18:36):
great stick one on it. You know, you want a
different trigger. Great, guess what you got one hundred to
choose from. So we're we're excited about it.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
We've had one down here similar to that and they shoot.
I will tell you that now. Yeah, Uk, you have
the new spand out.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
How does that?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
How did you get an opportunity to blend like your
knowledge of hunting into that gun, because from what I see,
it's a very traditional like firearm.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Yeah. Well, I mean in my under sts, you know,
we have t Sauce which are nineteen eleven's everybody knows those,
and Tokorev shotguns and Mac which is kind of one
of our hot brands, whether ten fourteen's or double stacks.
And I've been working on this for three years and
from my experience with all the time at Thompson Center,
(19:36):
when we launched the first bolt action Thompson Center ever
came out with with the Icon, I was very involved
in that process, so I knew what I think the
consumer wanted. And there's not another, you know, out of
the box seven hundred that you can just go find
(19:58):
in any store without paying big bucks. You know, there's
a lot of guys that are making them that are
built on a seven hundred action and they're awesome, but
you're going to be paying well over one thousand.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Dollars for them.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Oh yeah, and yeah, we wanted to bring one that
was a true seven hundred clone as you want to
call it, and and and get that in there for
your everyday guy to get started on with a lot
of features for a very you know, reasonable affordable price.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
That's that's huge in today's market, especially when you talk
about you know, lightweight rifles, lightweight gear. Price starts to
increase and then you just you've kind of placed yourself
outside of the realm of like what a normal person
is going to be paying. I did not know you
were behind one of my favorite guns, the Icon. I
did not know that.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Yeah, really, yeah, I mean it's a it's a funny
story maybe for a different time, but we literally Winchester
quit making their model seventy right, and they were gonna,
you know, close the factory.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
And do whatever.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
And we were all at sci and Reno and said
we should make a bold action and literally sixty three
days later we had the Icon.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That is it is one of my guns that I'm
I'm currently in debate with mister David Draper on whether
or not I should take it to Canada. So we're
there is a debate going on there, and I have
it in three hundred win mag in that gun flat
out shoots.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah it man, And if.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
It's you know that in four it was in my opinion,
it was a little ahead of its time and worked
a lot with with guys that really understand long range shooting,
George Gardner, you know, talking to him every couple of days.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Well, you know, what else do we need to do?
What else can we do with it?
Speaker 6 (22:01):
And uh, which is really not necessary in some ways
for a hunting rifle, but we wanted it. And and
then spending too much time on sniper's hide getting away
in the weeds, uh, you know, with stuff with five
R rifling and illuminum bedding block and the built into
(22:22):
the stock and all those things. So yeah, yeah, so
I couldn't do that because the icon is a is
a its own action. But you know what's the what's
another tried and true action that's out there and the
most adaptable platform I think in in rifles today, and
that was the seven hundred. And that's what we did
(22:44):
with the r L is that make one.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
That is the that is the standard to which most
all bolt actions.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
If you're out there and you're gonna you're gonna alter.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
That in any way whether it's you know, the trigger
is going to be the main thing, but that's the
platform to have that that is by far. And when
are those going to be available?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
We'll be shipping them in October.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Really, And are the we're the barrels. Are you guys
making the barrels?
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, our factory in Turkey is Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
That's cool. All right, Neil, I appreciate you joining us. Hey,
we're gonna head over now to one of my favorite people,
Calvin Fernando.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Calvin. How you doing, Dad?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I'm well, I'm doing I'm doing better now than I'm
talking to you. Those other guys they can they can
head out. No, they're great to talk to you. But
I will tell you this, when you talk about crafting
a story around your big game hunt, I always kind
of look to you because you know the pr game,
you know the marketing game, you know the storytelling aspect
(23:53):
of what makes a good hunt. Can you give a
little bit of background and kind of your hunting experience
and then how you're able to blend that into storytelling?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Oh, I think every hunt doesn't start at the actual
hunt itself. You know you're gonna be at home, you
try to pile up all your gear, and one of
the biggest thing is to know what your gear is.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
You need to be familiar with it. Just like Tristram
was saying, you've got to be able to shoot that gun.
You need to know what your scope is, you need
to know.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
What your bow is, and how to actually use your
products that you're gonna have. And it doesn't just go
into the firearms or the tools that you're going to
use to actually take your final shot.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
It's everything down to what gloves you're going to bring,
even what the weather's going to be like. In planning
out even into spring or from spring, sometimes even the
holiday before or the season before, so you really dial
in your gear and from there you're able to be like, Okay,
I can plan it, I can get everything situated and
then figure out where the next steps are.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
So that usually means, Okay, we're going to go after
elk this year, we're gonna go shoot tar out of
but we need to make sure that we know everything
that's going in and try and prepare yourself the best
that you can. Nothing's ever going to go exactly one
hundred and ten percent. I've learned anything in my hunting experience.
It's never going to go exactly how you plan. Hell,
I've been stuck on mountains, I've been full drawed a
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beautiful animal and I can't pull the trigger.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
There's no way, there's no way I'm letting the arrow
go because I'm having bowl seaver or buck fever. But
there's always something that's gonna happen that you can't plan for,
but being able to at least be familiar with your
gear and knowing heading into it. Okay, this is what
we're going after. This is the scout that I've done,
This is the actual place that I've been to, and
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I can at least frame where I'm going and heading planning.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I do.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I do find that the more adverse conditions or the
pitfalls that you might encounter, typically that kind of leads into.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
The best stories. If the story was well.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I walked to the blind, I climbed up the blind,
son came up, deer was there, shot the deer. It
was a great hunt. I think evol of them went
that way. I think we would, most of the storytellers,
David Draper and all of us, we'd probably be out
of jobs if everything went perfectly.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
But it just isn't that way.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And I think I like your your idea of like
a lot of it happens beforehand in the gear because
I'm kind of a gearhead, like I love I love
gear and gunpowder ink that you work with works with
a lot of different companies that offer like high end
quality gear. So what are you seeing coming out of
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these companies now in twenty twenty five going into twenty
twenty six that really are going to turn hunters into
maybe a better predator.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
I think that one for example, SIK does a great
job of setting up the hunter in their specific realm,
so they have a great layering system and being able
to have those set pieces it makes for a better
hunt in a sense that you can shed layers as
the day goes on or add more on without bringing
an excessive amount of gear. So certain pieces allow you
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to sweat through but not have the sweat stick to you.
That's their ambient cop for example, that's a great the
Universal jacket. But then coming out in the future or
coming into future.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Products for this fall, there's a lot that we'll be
seeing not just with Sitka, but with you know, with
Seiss and with Montana Knife COO that we're also representing
that they're utilizing not.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
Just the hunt aspect, but the whole are not just
the processing and the climb and the actual in camp process.
It's the whole part of the you know, the heritage,
the main you know, your beer, excitement, your drive to
actually do it. It's not just the actual three days
that you're in the field or afternoon.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
It's incredible to see what companies are able to come
up with. And you you kind of talked a little
bit about Montana Knife Company my Montana Knife Code, and
you would think it's just just a knife. I mean,
a knife cuts, right, That's all we need it for, right,
But they do. They're doing a lot of different different
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blades styles, they're doing a lot of different stuff to
make the hunter's job a little bit more efficient.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Yeah, they're definitely. We see a lot more where it's
like wait, but it's also sharp. But it's also going
to stand through multiple different animals. You're not going to
just use it once and then have to re sharpen it.
Like I love the habalon that I have, but I'm
only going to be able to use that for part
of a big game animal, not even the full thing.
Where I can use the scapegoat for multiple different stuff.
So it's really finding the gear that is going to
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last a little bit longer. And I know that sometimes
they come at a higher price point, but after a
while that wool jacket you've been wearing might not last.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Right, Well, you, I mean, you talk about lightweight gear,
you talk about better gear, and always I'm always of
the ilk. Like if I once cry once like, get
what you absolutely can, Get what you absolutely can, and
you'll have a better experience, whether.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You're writing about it, whether you're guiding in the.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Field, whether you're using on a hunt in Texas, or
what you're about to do. Imagine you're probably gonna look
forward to elk hunting here pretty soon.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
Right, Maybe not this year, but soon, well soon.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, you got other things going on this year that
are far more important than hunting, and we all wish
you the best. Thanks, all right, guys, Well I'm sure
to appreciate you guys hopping on with me today.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Hey, gear makes a it's.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Gear is important, but how you prepare is even more
important than that, Like your time before the hunt is
where your success in the end will pay off. So
gun talk hunters, you know, the drill, keep those muzzles
point in a safe direction, and always beyond the.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Excellent job dut
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Mm hmm
How do you get more successful at hunting? Well, a
lot of that is in the preparation that's on this
episode of Gun Talk Hunt. I'm kJ. You found the
right place.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We go all over this little.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Blue orb sharing stories and tactics about chasing wild gang.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now let's get on the hunt, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome in all you Gun Talk hunters. I'm your host kJ,
and welcome into another episode. This episode is brought to
you by Savage Arms, Timney Triggers, Remington, Amo, Range Ready Studios,
and VORTEXX. We have a tremendous panel and today we're
jumping into high stakes, heavy packs, strategies and stories that
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make the hunt. And this is a great panel for
this because we have everyone ranging from editors to outdoorsmen,
to guides to industry professional.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We have it all on this panel.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
And first we're going to jump in with one of
my favorite NRL shooters on the circuit, mister David Draper.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
David, how you doing man?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Oh, I'm great. Thanks for having me on your kJ.
And I don't know if my name and n RL
should go together yet. I'm still I'm still struggling in
that boat front.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
No, it goes in there because you and I shot
our very first NRL match together and you out shot me,
and it was it was awesome to see because you know,
we took a course and then we jumped in. But
really it's all about I don't know, how would you
describe NRL hunter matches.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I mean, it's as close to real hunting you can
get in a competitive situation, I'd say, But it's just
as much about time and gear management as it is accuracy,
I would say, And that's that's where I fail. It's
a yard sale when that timer goes off for me,
stuff goes out, gear goes everywhere. I freak out. It's
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it's not good.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It's a yeah, I would say, freak out.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think you're over exaggerating.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Just oh no, you didn't see me in Laramie.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Well, in Laramie, I heard it was super windy, like
it was just adverse conditions, is what I heard.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Forty mile an hour gusts. So the wind calls were challenging,
Oh my god, which oddly enough, I did really good
on the wind calls in Laramie because I because I lived,
I lived where the wind blows forty all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Right, That's why Oklahoma shooters are so good is because
they deal with the wind all the time. It just
it doesn't matter. That's just a part alive. But as
we talk about, you know, trends and topics and big
game hunting and where we go and what are you
seeing as far as trends, because in my mind, I
see NRL hunter as a as a growing trend in
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our in our industry, just because it prepares people for hunting.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
What are you seeing?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, I would agree, you know you and I got
an inrail hunter. I don't know, probably thirteen fourteen months ago.
I shot three matches this year, and I do think
that is a growing trend. Obviously, long range shooting has
been really popular over the past four years. You know,
the technology has gotten better. Gun bills have gotten better,
Ammo's gotten better. Everybody has a ballistic app on their
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phone now and can dial out to you know, whatever
range they want and can do so fairly accuracy. You know,
the garment zero came out and now there's not a
reason not to know your musclevelocity. That really takes away that. So,
you know, technology and the technology surrounding long range shooting
is really what I see over the past probably three
to five years that's really shown some growth, which longer
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ning shooting and long range hunting. You know, that's a
whole separate, hour long conversation we can have. But I
think for interel hunter and that long range shooting, it
prepares you for the field like nothing else I've ever done.
It's not just sitting on a bench in shooting static targets.
It's it's figuring out range, figuring out ballistics, figuring out
your windage, and being comfortable in a high pressure situation,
which is what hunting is and what hunting should be.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So yeah, and you're doing it all under a four
minute or if you shoot teams a six minute clock.
I mean there's you're you're engaging targets, and you're engaging
from different shooting positions. With that comes what we what
we start to think about is gear. What gear makes
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the hunt? What gear has helped you so tran because
you you have hunted since joining an NRL match and
competing in that, and this isn't going to be all
about n r L, so I promise we're going to
go more places than this. But what gear are you
seeing that that really have transferred out into the field.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
You know one thing that i've a gear and skills
wise both is and I saw especially this year an
n L hunter was double pool bipods bipods that get
you longer, taller than you would like a bipod, you're
going to be shooting prone. Double pool you can shoot
sitting sometimes depending on the situation. So you see a
lot of guys shooting double pool, and I've heard a
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lot of guys carrying those in the field. The problem
is you're starting to add weight to to your firearm.
But so double pool bipods. Yeah. And then the skill
is rear tripods support, which I still struggle with. But
I started shooting that about halfway through the summer or
halfway through my match season, and it changed the game
for me by learning rear tripod support, And I thought,
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is there a way to use this in the field?
And I think in certain situations are if you're packing
a tripod anyway to glast from, then there's no reason
not to use as a rear support and suit in
a certain situations. So I think skills wise and gear wise,
that's what I'm seeing. A big thing is just stable
supporting positions that are using everything you have.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, and there's no better way to get into those
positions than just to practice it. And I'm not the
best at going out and practicing those and sometimes it
happens on the clock and during a match or on
the hunt. Is a bad place to improvise. You're not
learning new skills. There's no way you're learning a new
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skill and just going, oh, I saw this on YouTube,
I'm gonna go do it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, that doesn't work like that.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
No, No, not at all, but kind of. I mean,
one of the reasons I stuck with the NRAL Hunter
after that first match, and you're being generous to saying
I outshot you I had. I didn't have fully functional gear,
but my gear functioned a little better than yours. But
one of the reasons I like in the past few years,
I found my shooting skills have degraded. Some of its
age related, vision related, but also I just got lazy.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I was shooting off the bench.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I was shooting for tiny little groups because that's what
I do for work, Like I'm reviewing rifles. I'm shooting
for tiny little groups. And I wasn't shooting off drypods.
I wasn't shooting off bipods. I wasn't shooting unsupported or
field expedient rests. I was purely shooting off a bench.
And then when I got in the field, I had
some misses that I shouldn't have had on game animals. Unfortunately,
had some woundings I shouldn't have found in game animals
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because I let my skills degrade and InterRail hunter forces
me to get back into hunting skills, not bent shooting skills.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Man.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's it, it's and that is a great segue. I
really appreciate you joining us, David. Uh great, that's that's
a great segue into into Tristan Davies, who's in the field.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
He is a guide.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And when I say a guide, I'm not talking a
guy who just sits you in a stand and then
walks away. The dude is on the side of the
mountain going up and down like slab rock.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I mean, Tristan, how you doing man?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Good man? How are you?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So what do you see And we talk about transferable
skills from shooters, Uh, you know, from a competition into
the field. What do you seeing when hunters show up
to your camp? Are you seeing better skilled shooters these days?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Uh? Not really? To be honest with you. Uh, most
guys will shoot their rifle in and they don't really
prepare too much. I mean, David hunted with me last year.
He obviously knows what he's doing. Uh, but a lot
of the guys don't really practice off tripods. They will
be shooting on a bench. I've had some guys that
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have never even shot prone before, which is crazy to me,
but so we kind of I kind of tried to
help them out when they're when we take them to
the range for the first time, show them some things.
It really pays off when a guy knows their rifle.
So yeah, it really pays off.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Are you like, so you're you you like you just
debunked like my whole like hope for us as hunters
and shooters that we would actually prepare and especially like
guys are paying money for these hunts, Like they're paying
high dollar to go have this experience, and you're telling
me that more than likely they're not doing their due
diligence in practice.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
No not. I mean some guys are definitely, Like I
had one guy last year that really honed in on
it practice all summer, But some guys just don't do it.
I mean a lot of people are really busy and
they don't they don't really make it a priority. So
I kind of get it, but it yeah, they should
make it a priority if they're going on a once
in a lifetime Elk count or New Zealand Red Stagg that
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sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
So people get out like practice, If you're gonna spend
the money, you might as well practice, don't buy better gear.
So let's transition to a little gear talk.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
So what are you.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Seeing hunters show up with in your camp that you
that you can spot it? And you go, okay, I'm
gonna be okay.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Uh, Well, when a guy starts running a mill scope,
if they start, if they know their CDA, like if
they're running a loophole scope, they have CDs on it,
they know how to run it, that sort of thing.
It's just I don't know, it's just kind of how
that goes.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
If I can take them to the range and they
can start cracking shots at four hundred plus yards and
they feel confident, it makes me a lot more confident
in their abilities. So that helps a lot. But yeah,
I mean it's it's just.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I would say that as a hunter, if you're showing up.
Do you get a lot of hunters contacting you before
hunts saying what gear should I buy? Uh?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, yeah, uh like for rifles themselves, not really, but
for gear like hunting related gear like optics and clothing
and packs and all that stuff. Yeah, scopes sometimes rifles,
not necessarily. Most of the guys are running like regular stuff, ruger's, uh, bigars,
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that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
So so what would you say?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I'm trying to think of how to put this because
because I'm I'm always one of those guys that I.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Will call everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I will call everybody like if I'm going on hunt,
I'm like, Okay, what do I not need to bring?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
What do I need to bring?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And then I start trimming my pack from there and
I try to trim out weight because I don't want
the guy to like, if I go on a hunt
to go, yeah, you definitely won't need this, and they
start stripping my stuff and going this guy has no
clue what he's doing, And I wish he would have
just called me. What are a few pieces of gear
that guys typically bring that they do not need?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Uh? So in where I guide in Colorado, a guy
will probably never need a spotting scope. I always have one.
If a guy brings a tripod, that'd be awesome, especially
if he knows how to run it, But I always
bring on anyway. Like, honestly, all a guy really needs
is a good rifle, good pack, and good boots and
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he'll be good to go. So as long as he
knows how to use those, he'll be set. Anything else
is you don't really need, like an eight pair ten
power bonos.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So so you've you've guided, You've got it all over
the world. Where would you say if a guy was
to say, you know what, I've got one hunt that
I want.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
To buy on. Put it on my could list.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Where would you probably recommend that you've been to and hunted?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Oh well, I haven't guy it all over, but I
would have to say Tar and Sham in New Zealand's
pretty top of the list. It's physically terrible sometimes, but
it's awesome, so it's just a good time. I mean,
you're out in the back country for days and days
and get rained on it. Just it sucks, but it's fun.
(12:27):
So that'd be my answer.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
You sold it like.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You sold me on going chasing Tar in New Zealand.
I know I don't mind the suck, and I think
that scares some guys away, but I think there's a
lot of folks that would would appreciate an experience like
that because I think I've seen some of your videos
on on Instagram and stuff of like helicoptering in and
(12:53):
doing all that kind of cool stuff. You still are
you gonna do that again this year?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, I'll be back well in Uh, I'll go over
there May or March through probably June next year. I
do it every year a couple months.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It's a good time, especially in the helicopter.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
You get a lot of experience jumping out of them
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
It's a blast.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
So I'll love every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I told you, the dude is everywhere and I love it. Man, Tristan,
thanks for joining me. All right, Guys, Hey, we're gonna
jump in here real quick and we're gonna come back
with more gear and game.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
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Neil Sanders, one of my favorite guys from SDS imports.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
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Speaker 5 (17:23):
It's hot.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's a good way to put it.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Yeah, Well, I've been on just got back from a
road trip twenty three days long, so it was hot everywhere,
but it's even hotter here, so I don't know it's
going to be home briefly. I'll be in Kansas City tomorrow.
It's that time of year, show season.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
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Speaker 1 (17:47):
It's show season, which is good because a lot of
new products are coming out and you've got a lot
of items to roll out. I'm not sure if we
almost talked about one last time.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
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Speaker 1 (17:59):
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Speaker 5 (18:05):
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David saw it last week. You know it's.
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Speaker 2 (18:46):
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Speaker 1 (18:47):
We've had one down here similar to that and they shoot.
I will tell you that now. Yeah, Uk, you have
the new spand out.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
How does that?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
How did you get an opportunity to blend like your
knowledge of hunting into that gun, because from what I see,
it's a very traditional like firearm.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Yeah. Well, I mean in my under sts, you know,
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the box seven hundred that you can just go find
(19:58):
in any store without paying big bucks. You know, there's
a lot of guys that are making them that are
built on a seven hundred action and they're awesome, but
you're going to be paying well over one thousand.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Dollars for them.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Oh yeah, and yeah, we wanted to bring one that
was a true seven hundred clone as you want to
call it, and and and get that in there for
your everyday guy to get started on with a lot
of features for a very you know, reasonable affordable price.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
That's that's huge in today's market, especially when you talk
about you know, lightweight rifles, lightweight gear. Price starts to
increase and then you just you've kind of placed yourself
outside of the realm of like what a normal person
is going to be paying. I did not know you
were behind one of my favorite guns, the Icon. I
did not know that.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Yeah, really, yeah, I mean it's a it's a funny
story maybe for a different time, but we literally Winchester
quit making their model seventy right, and they were gonna,
you know, close the factory.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
And do whatever.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
And we were all at sci and Reno and said
we should make a bold action and literally sixty three
days later we had the Icon.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That is it is one of my guns that I'm
I'm currently in debate with mister David Draper on whether
or not I should take it to Canada. So we're
there is a debate going on there, and I have
it in three hundred win mag in that gun flat
out shoots.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah it man, And if.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
It's you know that in four it was in my opinion,
it was a little ahead of its time and worked
a lot with with guys that really understand long range shooting,
George Gardner, you know, talking to him every couple of days.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Well, you know, what else do we need to do?
What else can we do with it?
Speaker 6 (22:01):
And uh, which is really not necessary in some ways
for a hunting rifle, but we wanted it. And and
then spending too much time on sniper's hide getting away
in the weeds, uh, you know, with stuff with five
R rifling and illuminum bedding block and the built into
(22:22):
the stock and all those things. So yeah, yeah, so
I couldn't do that because the icon is a is
a its own action. But you know what's the what's
another tried and true action that's out there and the
most adaptable platform I think in in rifles today, and
that was the seven hundred. And that's what we did
(22:44):
with the r L is that make one.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
That is the that is the standard to which most
all bolt actions.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
If you're out there and you're gonna you're gonna alter.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
That in any way whether it's you know, the trigger
is going to be the main thing, but that's the
platform to have that that is by far. And when
are those going to be available?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
We'll be shipping them in October.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Really, And are the we're the barrels. Are you guys
making the barrels?
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, our factory in Turkey is Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
That's cool. All right, Neil, I appreciate you joining us. Hey,
we're gonna head over now to one of my favorite people,
Calvin Fernando.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Calvin. How you doing, Dad?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I'm well, I'm doing I'm doing better now than I'm
talking to you. Those other guys they can they can
head out. No, they're great to talk to you. But
I will tell you this, when you talk about crafting
a story around your big game hunt, I always kind
of look to you because you know the pr game,
you know the marketing game, you know the storytelling aspect
(23:53):
of what makes a good hunt. Can you give a
little bit of background and kind of your hunting experience
and then how you're able to blend that into storytelling?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Oh, I think every hunt doesn't start at the actual
hunt itself. You know you're gonna be at home, you
try to pile up all your gear, and one of
the biggest thing is to know what your gear is.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
You need to be familiar with it. Just like Tristram
was saying, you've got to be able to shoot that gun.
You need to know what your scope is, you need
to know.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
What your bow is, and how to actually use your
products that you're gonna have. And it doesn't just go
into the firearms or the tools that you're going to
use to actually take your final shot.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
It's everything down to what gloves you're going to bring,
even what the weather's going to be like. In planning
out even into spring or from spring, sometimes even the
holiday before or the season before, so you really dial
in your gear and from there you're able to be like, Okay,
I can plan it, I can get everything situated and
then figure out where the next steps are.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
So that usually means, Okay, we're going to go after
elk this year, we're gonna go shoot tar out of
but we need to make sure that we know everything
that's going in and try and prepare yourself the best
that you can. Nothing's ever going to go exactly one
hundred and ten percent. I've learned anything in my hunting experience.
It's never going to go exactly how you plan. Hell,
I've been stuck on mountains, I've been full drawed a
(25:17):
beautiful animal and I can't pull the trigger.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
There's no way, there's no way I'm letting the arrow
go because I'm having bowl seaver or buck fever. But
there's always something that's gonna happen that you can't plan for,
but being able to at least be familiar with your
gear and knowing heading into it. Okay, this is what
we're going after. This is the scout that I've done,
This is the actual place that I've been to, and
(25:40):
I can at least frame where I'm going and heading planning.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I do.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I do find that the more adverse conditions or the
pitfalls that you might encounter, typically that kind of leads into.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
The best stories. If the story was well.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I walked to the blind, I climbed up the blind,
son came up, deer was there, shot the deer. It
was a great hunt. I think evol of them went
that way. I think we would, most of the storytellers,
David Draper and all of us, we'd probably be out
of jobs if everything went perfectly.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
But it just isn't that way.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And I think I like your your idea of like
a lot of it happens beforehand in the gear because
I'm kind of a gearhead, like I love I love
gear and gunpowder ink that you work with works with
a lot of different companies that offer like high end
quality gear. So what are you seeing coming out of
(26:43):
these companies now in twenty twenty five going into twenty
twenty six that really are going to turn hunters into
maybe a better predator.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
I think that one for example, SIK does a great
job of setting up the hunter in their specific realm,
so they have a great layering system and being able
to have those set pieces it makes for a better
hunt in a sense that you can shed layers as
the day goes on or add more on without bringing
an excessive amount of gear. So certain pieces allow you
(27:18):
to sweat through but not have the sweat stick to you.
That's their ambient cop for example, that's a great the
Universal jacket. But then coming out in the future or
coming into future.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Products for this fall, there's a lot that we'll be
seeing not just with Sitka, but with you know, with
Seiss and with Montana Knife COO that we're also representing
that they're utilizing not.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
Just the hunt aspect, but the whole are not just
the processing and the climb and the actual in camp process.
It's the whole part of the you know, the heritage,
the main you know, your beer, excitement, your drive to
actually do it. It's not just the actual three days
that you're in the field or afternoon.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
It's incredible to see what companies are able to come
up with. And you you kind of talked a little
bit about Montana Knife Company my Montana Knife Code, and
you would think it's just just a knife. I mean,
a knife cuts, right, That's all we need it for, right,
But they do. They're doing a lot of different different
(28:25):
blades styles, they're doing a lot of different stuff to
make the hunter's job a little bit more efficient.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Yeah, they're definitely. We see a lot more where it's
like wait, but it's also sharp. But it's also going
to stand through multiple different animals. You're not going to
just use it once and then have to re sharpen it.
Like I love the habalon that I have, but I'm
only going to be able to use that for part
of a big game animal, not even the full thing.
Where I can use the scapegoat for multiple different stuff.
So it's really finding the gear that is going to
(28:54):
last a little bit longer. And I know that sometimes
they come at a higher price point, but after a
while that wool jacket you've been wearing might not last.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Right, Well, you, I mean, you talk about lightweight gear,
you talk about better gear, and always I'm always of
the ilk. Like if I once cry once like, get
what you absolutely can, Get what you absolutely can, and
you'll have a better experience, whether.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You're writing about it, whether you're guiding in the.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Field, whether you're using on a hunt in Texas, or
what you're about to do. Imagine you're probably gonna look
forward to elk hunting here pretty soon.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
Right, Maybe not this year, but soon, well soon.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, you got other things going on this year that
are far more important than hunting, and we all wish
you the best. Thanks, all right, guys, Well I'm sure
to appreciate you guys hopping on with me today.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Hey, gear makes a it's.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Gear is important, but how you prepare is even more
important than that, Like your time before the hunt is
where your success in the end will pay off. So
gun talk hunters, you know, the drill, keep those muzzles
point in a safe direction, and always beyond the.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Excellent job dut
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Mm hmm
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