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-- Actress Syndey Sweeney is in the news for the American Eagle commercial, but it's the video of her shooting lights out that has the gun community talking. Taran Butler, who trained Sweeney and dozens of other actors, including Keanu Reeves, talks about how be became a top shooter and instructor, and what it's like to work with celebrities.
-- Are movies getting better at showing good gun handling?
-- What gun works for an older woman who has trouble working the slide on an automatic?
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-- Actress Syndey Sweeney is in the news for the American Eagle commercial, but it's the video of her shooting lights out that has the gun community talking. Taran Butler, who trained Sweeney and dozens of other actors, including Keanu Reeves, talks about how be became a top shooter and instructor, and what it's like to work with celebrities.
-- Are movies getting better at showing good gun handling?
-- What gun works for an older woman who has trouble working the slide on an automatic?
Gun Talk 08.10.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:30):
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Speaker 5 (00:31):
Hey, I'm Tom Gresham and this is Gun Talk, where
we gather every week to talk about guns and shooting
and the shooting sports, and of course we'll talk about
politics as well, and there's going to be some of
that today as always, because that's kind of a part
of the makeup. I also have a story to tell
you about being able to help out a young man
get his first gun on his way to his first
(00:52):
deer hunt, and that one turned out fun. That was
a really fun caper that we pulled together, surprising him.
So that'll be coming up just a little bit later.
That a lot of things going on in the news.
We'll be talking about. One of the things that you
probably have said. You know, if you pay the attention
at all, this controversy about the actress and model Sydney Sweeney,
and she did a commercial for American Ego brand about
(01:16):
blue jeans, and it blew up and the left went
crazy and it's like.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Oh, this is terrible. Well not really.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Fortunately, American Eagles stood by their guns and they backed
her up. They didn't back down from the whole deal.
But in the process, and this is where it gets
interesting for us, in the process, a video comes out
of Sydney Sweeney shooting a pistol, and not just shooting
a pistol, but training with Tarren Butler, and she is
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shredding targets, I mean, doing something amazing. Turns out she's
a natural athlete, kickboxer, grappler, wakeboarding, baseball, soccer.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Played all of that. She likes that stuff. So I thought,
you know, I know Tarror.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I've shot with Taran and of course he is the
guy that well, Keanu Reeves came to him and he
trained up Kean Reeves for the John Wick movies. And frankly,
I think Terren Butler may be responsible largely for the
change in movies where we have good gun handling these days,
it's a welcome relief. So anyway, I reached out to Arran.
(02:21):
I was able to grab him for a fascinating interview.
And here's that interview with Tarren Butler. All right, Terarren,
you are a grand master and a whole bunch of
different shooting disciplines. At what point did you realize that
you were an exceptional shooter?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I know, it's weird.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
I was just shooting a lot on the property with
the property back in the eighties and stuff like that
with a little buck mark. And then one day I'm
at the guy at this local gun store was going
to the South of pistol league and he came out
to I saw you shooting matches, and I want to
get in the match of the red all the guns
and AMMO ended up going shooting and shot been pretty
(03:00):
dang fast and really good with an old stupid forty
five nine to eleven I had, And this guy's like, dang,
you're pretty good, and so he took me to self
this pistol league, and I did pretty good, and then
he ended up like wanting to make sure I didn't
beat him. He was a champion. He took me to
a gunsmith that built me this horrific twenty eleven. So
(03:20):
I had all these gun jams and craziness going on.
So I quit it was like nineteen ninety one, and
waited like a year to get my gun back from
Bruce Gray. And then then these other guys were like,
you know, let's go. And I took a Block twenty
one that was in two, nineteen ninety four, and I
thought it was the worst year ever I had when
(03:41):
that when they built me that h twenty eleven, nineteen eleven,
it didn't work at all.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It seized up in the match. He had this badload,
Amma with me.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
It was a month fifty five grain bullet at sixteen
hundred feet per second of the forty fivep It was
a freaking nuclear like bottle mag And I'm like that
I make power factory guys. Dude, You're like two hundred
and fifty power factors.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Am.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I'm like, I don't know. I'm a new stupid kid.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
You know, nobody does that.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
And you know what virginni Cow was, I'm shooting actually shots,
So it was the worst, like first time and last
time I ever shot. And then these other guys, these
militant guys that Turner's.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Like, let's go, got it ready for the end of
the apocalypse.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
And they came to the range and I had property,
but I had nothing, just just weeds and property and
some junk steel.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And I was at Turners. I was gonna buy a gun.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Like get a glock. I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (04:28):
This boxy looking plastic junk and all the old school's
goint of a metal frame.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Like.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
So I had my this gun that Bruce Gray built,
this beautiful like nineteen eleven with a twoport comp and
it was all hard chromed and and all this stuff
and it was beautiful. It didn't work at all, and
that was a weird time for Brucey. So I'm They're like,
well the gun doesn't work. Tried this block twenty one.
I'm like, oh my god, this is a big brick
looking showed gun, like what like I mean? Then I
(04:53):
started shooting it and it's shooting all this leftover nuclear
ammo doesn't jam, and then I'm like.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
God, it looks stupid, it crap and.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It works right.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
So then so then I went to the back to
the match where I was a disaster zone three years.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Ago, and I come.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
In seventh out of one hundred and eighteen guys with
a block twenty one, and I'm like, dang, Like, if
I get a real decent guns, guys all got nineteen
eleven twenty sdis right, got this big CLUNKO blocked twenty
the seventeen round max like at dork now a thirteen
round max. And I got to all these then then
I thought, wow, I'm pretty good at this. And so
basically the guy that got me into it was trying to, like,
(05:31):
you know, and I traded him a nice cold ar
fifteen h bar and a Bonelli to get this jacked
up gun, and I ended up later on tricking him
getting my BINOI backs I'm the first, and then I
got into Then I got into three gun. On my
first three gun match, I was like, what am I
doing this? A friend of mine throws me into him
like this is not I and I ended up winning
(05:52):
the three gun match, but I was terrible.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I'm shocking. I'm dropping shells and this guy's like there.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Were shoot, shoot a lot of stuff you can get.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
And I'm shooting this steel and these places are flying
backwards like the guys by the brush coves and command.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So I end up I end up winning the match.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
But disaster on shotgun, and I thought if I learned
a load shotgun, and then then it kind of went
from there when I'm too long in the too throughout
the story.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
But uh, I mean, the fact of it is you,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I'm always convinced there are some people that God just
reaches down and touches and says you'll be able to
shoot like crazy. And you were one of those guys
where at the moment you picked up a gun, you
could do it well and to fast forward. You may
have had a rough start, but then you end up
like grand Master in five different disciplines and one of
the fastest and best shooters, most accurate shooters on the planet.
And now you train everybody from special forces, law enforcement
(06:41):
to competitive shooters and of course all the Hollywood folks
these days.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Yeah, I see, like two years ago I gotten my
ninth Grand Master card.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
For anybody else in the world ever did it.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
So, you know, being an old man like I am
now I have to pull off get a ninth Grand
Master card just just before anybody else was pretty fun,
you know, And I love competitions. I love matches and
it's kind of like they follow the history of like
movies there. They were so great in the nineties two thousands,
and I think what's happened in matches now when you
travel to them, it's kind of like.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's like a movie. Nowadays, there's too much CG.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Basically, people don't want to put the work into a
match that back then or times there were so many
amazing stages and there's tanks and trucks and running across
drawbridges and then I was just throw up some jump
of seals, give us a bunch of guns for the.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Competition called a day. We're on our phone or on Instagram,
so it's just a different era.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
I'm very blessed that I was able to shoot with
some of the most awesome guys like Rob Latham a
his prime, Jerry Bonhart get the shoot with those guys,
with Super Squad, with Todd Jarrett, you know, Robert bogol Dus,
the Big Meat, Travis Romassi. There was a certain era
of shooting that was very blessed to be part of
and learned from guys.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Because when I was first got into the Super Squad.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
I was basically all about crazy splits, you know, just
insane splits. And it was great, but I'm watching guys
that are doing amazing, Like wait a minute, they're they're
splits a lot slower, but they're getting better hits, the
transitions are better. And then I started learning that, and
then uh, I would suck at the standards, like the
fifty yards you got rid of it, you.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Don't find it anymore.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
I'm over anyone said, do anything moore left hand, right hand,
fifty yards and twenty five yards and this brutal, miserable
issue with iron sights. And then one day, Uh, Frank
Carci is like, what's wrong with you, Bud?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
He's like, what do you put in practice? And like
just shredding all the time.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
He's like, you idiots, why do you practice what your
what your you know your weaknesses. I'm like, oh, I
started doing it, and I came back into the awesome
at the standards and stuff like that. So I've been
very blessed because you know, it's it's in the competition world.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Three gun IDP action shooting.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
I got to a point where I realized, like, I
don't want to be just the old shooter still trying
to hang on. At some point everybody gets, you know,
to a point where they've got a position, and I thought,
you know, I want to do more than that. You know,
I can't get a decent gun like I've lost so
many nationals and stuff with some twenty eleven that would
just jam and have issues, or beautiful gun by a
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certain company that shoots like a paintball gun and because
their twists is too slow. One in twenty four, when
one in sixteen. So I wanted to give the world
like stuff that's just good and runs and feels it.
Back in those days it was fine STI or an
infinity and then gut it, new barrel, new safety, do trigger, And.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I said, let's just get it right the first time.
Might have got a gut a.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Brain new for our what a concept. Let's just make
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continue this conversation we have with tarn Butler.
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All right, we're back with you.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
I want to continue this fascinating the interview I got
a couple of days ago with Tarren Butler about shooting
with movie stars and how he frankly is the one
who changed the way we see guns and shooting used
in movies today.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
I did a lot of different movies in the past,
like Public Enemies and other stuff I worked on, but
nothing that's nothing that really stood out or no, no
watershed moment, whatever you want to call it. But then
I was somebody saw me shooting. The director John Wick
saw me shooting on YouTube whatever. He always looks at
cool YouTube shot to finally dragon his breath and stuff
for his movies.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
From John Wick.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
And he saw my style of shooting and made me
challenge me to shoot with one hand with an apple.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I did some dumb hip shooting.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Video and he's like, oh my god, this is the
guy and uh and brought Keanu out. It was just
like an instant, like perfect relationship eleven years ago. And
and and I've done a lot of movies before and
every time in the theater like wat's this cool part
with the reload like cut out like the Hells and
Michael Man have me train this guy for this Johnny
(11:54):
Depp movie, Stephen Lane to load a you know, a
lever action can gauge the fascinating in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And they cut it all out, like.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
What was the point?
Speaker 6 (12:04):
And so that this is the first director ever wanted
everything you wanted left hand shotgunloading old school like in
three Gun when it was at that time in twenty fifteen,
then transitioned to quad loading and john Wick three, and
then went to the Magfet Genesis and john Wick four.
So like the movie progressed with the multi and stuff
that I was winning the Nationals with because I won
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that way, that I want quadloading, that I won with
a Magfet shotgun to win the Triple Crown in three
different nations and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Hey, Ary, let me let me let me ask you,
because my impression is, I mean, and you have taught
all of these actors, Jill Cannery, you say, you know
a Hollybaryer goes on and on and on, and my
impression is that you're not teaching them just to look
good in a movie. You actually are teaching them to shoot,
and they've become shooters. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
I always tell everybody I go, look do huge fight
trains and movies. Do you want to be a fake
fighter and pull your punches everywhere? Do you want to
actually have something that you can maybe use down the road.
You know, you can't guarantee that the police are going
to save you, and I tell them, and I couldn't.
They usually end up buying guns and getting safe and
all this stuff, and so I tell them like, well,
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let's do this, and we could do some Hollywood runs
for actually speed for a scene, but I want you
to actually be able to shoot well.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
And they all like it. They all want that.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
It was an extension of a martial arts, a more
lethal martial.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Art, and they get into it and end up like
coming out, not just for movies. They come out just
because they want to keep it going and or their
next project comes along.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
And we add more to it. So I always hit.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Him up with that, and then they've become like regulars
and they start liking that world when they not really
don't like it when they first show up.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Usually you know, all right, Obviously the video thereyboy's watching
right now is Sidney Sweeney, you know, and she's tearing
it up and she to my impression is I mean,
she's like the real deal.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
She's not somebody who's just faking this stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
No, she's just all around, you know, great girl. Just
he does lots of martial arts her whole life. She
likes working on cars and just hit me up like, hey,
I want to learn in this. I want to come out.
Came out super nice to everybody, super generous and natural,
like a total natural shooter. Like I took about four
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hours or so to get her to that point, you know,
I was like, oh, well she's you know, she's the
targets aren't super far away.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Well, okay, we'll do it in that speed.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
It's about anybody could shoot those.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Any target anywhere if you don't have any time limit,
you know.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Like like you're going to be in the Olympics, I'm
gonna be.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
You know, I'm on the hundred oard dash both time
as the matter, So I'll just walk it. You'd be
in the same bolt Like it's how fast you're doing
without missing.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
What it's about.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Right. But she's a super great girl, and I think
that she can get some cool action films with Lionsgate,
which does the John Wick franchise. And she's working non stop.
She's on Devil with Plotter right now. She just finished
Euphoria three and that's a great show. Dan, that's a
really good It's brutal, but it's a great show. Eric
Dane also shoots. He's from the show too, big, great guy,
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How do.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
You teach people?
Speaker 5 (15:01):
I mean, obviously there's a lot that goes in, but
you are an incredible instructor. When you get somebody like that,
how do you start them? And how do you make
good shooters out of these people.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
I've been very blessed in communication. There's been a lot
of great shooters in the past that I've seen and
I walk into classes and they're super blessed being incredible shooters,
but they don't have the communication skill, like like Rob
Ath once said, you got to have all three, you know,
to be really great at in the competition world.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
To make it and making a lot of money, and.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
He has all three, like Todd here is great communicator,
Robin Lath and great communicator with Gary Barnhart, great shooter first,
you know, that's the media and cheeseburger. Then they got
the great fries of being communication and just being a personality.
You got to have all these things. And have been
several great shooters that were fantastic I shot with, but
they're drones. They don't know how to talk communicate, and
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I've been very good at that. And I love movies.
I love movies before shooting and God was able to
like pull me into it in a certain way, and
I've been able to shoot.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
It's just just sort.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Of real surreal kind of to have someone come to
the range that you've been watching for thirty years and
now you just shooting with them and they taking the
lunch we're talking them.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Like for instance, like you.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Know Harrison Ford, I don't know where he's out there,
and I thought he would just get some guns whatever
for home defense because back and when things were like
really bad, but the pandemic and anyway, he comes out
and shoots and he's running courses and stuff like this
is like crazy, go get coffee together and go to
five eleven. Of course, the guy that wants to stupid
to recognize them, like how I'm like, Harrison, come on
and check out these shoes.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah, what are those ones?
Speaker 8 (16:31):
Those?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Hell?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
This guy, this guy is just like sitting on his phone.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Like you're a tom you know you could be. And
the next the next day I bring in Freak and
Samuel L.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Jackson.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
I'm like the two biggest box office stars in history.
And this other guy doesn't know the hell it is either.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
But Sidney's just a.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Wonderful person and I'm very happy that nobody caved in
and realized this bully was was a facade the whole time.
And these companies now have the freedom to do what
they want and not be you know, couchout into giving
up and apologize, because no matter how much you apologize
to groups like this, they don't care. They are jealous
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of what you have. They want to destroy you. And
it's a tiny group of people that seem loud, but
they're a joke.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And this was a moment that did that.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
And you know, I just remastered the video and did
it to help promote her an American Eagle.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
I had no.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Idea, like I thought of you like, just whatever.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
And the video was out a few times before it's
it's been around she posted it, you know, and I
just made it nice because everybody watches reels now it's
got to be vertical. I get up subtitles, are watching
it without sound on the airplane. And the thing went
viral off the charts on everything on Fox News and
every chilling home. My god, I'm watching the whole Fox
News lineup. In every episode is the video, you know,
(17:48):
And it was super cool and and her and the
company just stood their ground. They did nothing wrong. Why
apologize they do nothing wrong. You just did a simple ad,
been doing it one hundred years, Brookshields did in nineteen
eighty one.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Yes, well, let me send people over to You got
a great website. You got all scores of products and
access rats and things you make for shooters, tearing, tactical innovations,
dot com online. Are we in a new era in
terms of directors and movies actually trying to get things
right when it comes to guns and shooting.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Yeah, it's cool because like a little moment that happened
when that first video came out of Keanu was shredding
by the yellow car and three gunning from you know, rifle, pistol, shotgun,
it changed things in Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Every actor on the planet.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Realized, like, I can't get away with just some X
comp or whatever or some ex military guy that just
give a crap on set. And so there for craft
services to teach rarely anyone to do anything. They have
to cut out all the reloads, and every actor is like,
I got to get to this level. This is a
whole different thing.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
I can do martial arts, I can beat your ass,
but I got to learn how to hold a gun, right.
So I was just overwhelmed with everybody at that time
in twenty fifteen when that happened, and it continues not stop,
because they realized, like this is a new level that
we have to tape up to, you know. They you know,
they got to try to like be whatever Tiano is
in john Wick, and and then john Wick had to
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keep going next level and I had to keep thinking
of new ideas and just adding more to it. And
that was great about the director. Chad Sahoalski is like
he wanted the quad loading and like, no.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
One's going to know what this is chat he goes,
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
They can keep watching it to figure out what the
heck it is.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, they said look at they go, what do he
just do there? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Like on the first one, the match Saver, like, oh
look a shot down Jam Cleary quick Like, now, DEMI,
it's the mat Saver. You don't know what you're looking at?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Really go look it up.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Yeah, So that was really cool that he did that
when other movies, like I said before, would cut out
everything just happened recently like Bums Me Out. It's not
anyone's fault with the editors and sometimes directors now don't
have control of the editors.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
We did in the movie Centers and Michael B.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Jordan did the fastest Tommy gun reload ever recorded on video.
I don't care if it's a trick shore no one's
ever done it. I've looked everywhere try to find someone
to a two ten reload on a Tommy gun. And
it took me a while to figure it out how.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
To do it. And it's like the opposite of everything
we learned on Air fifteen to do it.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And he did it.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And I'm watching the movie, like, you know, the first
two hours are over.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Now it's the last twenty minutes is crazy shootout shreds
all these guys with the Tommy gunn bar and a
forty five and they cut both the reloads down, Like
come on, oh, you had a two hours and twenty
minute movie. You can't give me two seconds? Like you
really had to cut it out so I have more singing, like.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And I'm like why, like why didn't you know? And
so anyway, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
You can't control that, right, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Well you're doing amazing things, and you, I would say,
are single handedly responsible for us seeing really good gun
handling and amazing gun handling in the movies. And at
the same time, you're taking all of these celebrities, a
lot of them we don't even know, and getting them
into shooting, whereas not just for the movies, but they
actually like doing shooting.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Now.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Yeah, I mean, look, they wanted to find their home
and stuff like that. And if there's someone that's not
crazy about guns or whatever, because you know, they come
out I don't know their political background.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Some of them pretty obvious, but I don't get into politics.
They just help them through it from the movie. And
we come for pretty good friends.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
With a lot of these people, and then they know
what what I'm about, and they just like me and Tatiana.
I think we're great people and fun and generous, and
they're very generous. And a lot of them like that
are you know, in their fifties and sixties. Gave her
and I like amazing like chips on vitamins and things
like that. Like Cameron Diaz for instance, just unbelievably sweet person,
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just has so much advice on stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
And so you know, we just do we can.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Do our best with them and and make sure that
they're you know, not all of some of.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Them by guns them don't but they do. We make
sure that they have it good safe, but they can't
open it. And nobody just hurt. All this stuff the
right hand mother and you go through five walls.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Darren Butler, you're you're amazing. I enjoyed shooting with you
at the Cigavan a couple of years ago, and you
and your crew were very generous and fun to be with.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Great to see there. And hopefully we'll get together soon.
Sometimes it's been a while.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Sounds good.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
We'll make it happen again, Terary Butler, Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
And record all your shows and watch them all.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
They're awesome. Yeah, we have a bunch of fun. I'm
sure to Hey, we'll get we'll get together, do some shooting,
all right, I'll come back.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
He sounds good. Appreciate that, sir. He'll be right back
with more gun talking. Well, that was a lot of fun,
Arren Butler a fascinating guy.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Obviously.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
It's like a lot of the really really top competition
shooters I've worked with on camera, I'm interviewing, I'm doing
videos and things. One of the things we it's a
common deal, uh, I'm always having to tell them to
slow down. I mean, we do this all the time,
and I don't care who it is. You know, it's
Max Michelle, Rob Lath, of them, it's Jerry Barner, all
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of them, because they do everything fast. And so when
I'm interviewing Tarren Butler, yeah he's talking fast. But that's
just how they're wired. Our standard deal and it's become
a we almost laugh about it. We say, look, just
slow down ten percent. Well, nobody can actually slow down
ten percent. Nobody actually knows what it is. It just
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makes them think about it, okay, a little sore. And
then when they're holding a gun in front of a camera,
you know, and they'll talk about it and they'll they'll
pick it up and put it right back down. It's like, no,
you've got to put it up there long enough for
us to focus and get things on. It's just slow down, Jerry,
you know, give us a minute here. But talking to
Terry Butler was just so much fun. I assume at
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this point you have maybe you haven't seen the videos
that are making the rounds uh with Sidney Sweeney. She
is the very attractive, beautiful young actress who did the
commercial for American Eagle Blue Jeans, and then somehow the
left got crazy and the woke went nuts, as they
tend to, but this time it didn't work. They didn't
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shame anybody into back and Day on America, and he
go said, no, we're just gonna We're gonna push on
with it. They actually put her up on big billboards,
electronic billboards and Times Square.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Well, there's stuff that you didn't know about Sidney Sweeney.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
And she grew up I wouldn't say a tomboy, but
doing a lot of interesting activities, a lot of athletic things,
and she does her own restorations on cars, on classic cars,
working on transmissions, working on engines. She played baseball and
(24:31):
soccer and wakeboarded and did kickboxing and did grappling as
a young girl. So action shooting is not foreign to
her at all. And so she's tearing up these targets
with the video that Terry had put out. And then
if you know Taron Butler at all, and you know
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what he does with his training with Tarran Tactical, I
mean he's training Holly Berry, and I mean the whole
stream mentioned Samuel L. Jackson and Harrison Ford, and I
know some of the people that he trains that they
don't want their names out there, but their household names
are very famous people.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
He just has the gift for doing it.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
He's actually in the process and he's out in California,
but he's opening up a new facility down in Phoenix area.
So when that happens, we're getting back on and we'll
talk about that a little bit. But it was just
it was really interesting.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I was thinking about.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Movies and thinking about gun handling and movies. And by
the way, our number here is eighty six to six
talk gun if you want to give me a call
open lines. Who got room for you right now? I
was thinking about movies and the gun handling in them
and going way back, and then there's this weird circular
thing just happened. I had been looking up gun twirling
and spending, like you know, the cowboys would spend their revolvers.
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You know who is really good at that? I mean
not just like good, but just fantastically good? Is that
was the singer actor Can Sammy Davis Junior. I know
you're thinking I've lost my mind. Go look it up
on YouTube. Sammy Davis Junior gun spinning or gun twirling.
He was unbelievably good. He did it in some of
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the movies. As far as I know, that was the
first person I can think of who was really doing
some impressive gun handling in movies. And then I look
up Sidney Sweeney and she is now a producer as well.
This is all going to come full circle one of
the projects as the movie she is working on. I
think she's the producer of it, and she's also going
to start in it. What was it called? Scandalous is
(26:35):
the name of it, and it's the story of Sammy
Davis Junior and the actress Kim Novak way back and
Sidney Sween's gonna play Kim Novak. So I thought, well,
that's kind of cool. She just made the rounds doing
super gun shooting and he was doing super gun handling,
So that was kind of interesting deal. But when I
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think about movies and gun hands handling and TV and
gun handling, I always end up on Tom Selleck quickly
down under. I call it the movie that started a
gun as much as anything else. I mean, he knows
how to shoot. He is a gun guy, gun collector,
a gun shooter.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Ben to gunsite, Ben to thunder Edge, done all that stuff,
loves those things and did it well. And then in
his series of very interesting you got to find them
if you can. The Jesse Stone movies he did He
carried in nineteen eleven in those and he had some
really nice gun handling in those as well, so pretty
(27:39):
interesting stuff. And then there was Shoot I cannot remember
the name of it, a movie with Tom Hanks using
nineteen elevens. It was some pretty good gun handling in
that as well. And then of course you end up
with movies like Heat and Sacario and some others, and
there's some good stuff and some stuff that may not
(28:01):
be quite right. And then you move into the John
Wick movies. Well that's Terren Butler all over. Because he
did all the training with Keanu Reeves. Canon Reeves comes
back and shoots with him frequently now and they're always
working out new things.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
But also he comes back just because he likes shooting.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
One of the things that happens is that these celebrities
come to shoot with Aran and they do it because
they want to look good in the movie. But he
has the matter of shooting, and his deal is, look,
if you can't hit a target when you shoot in
the movies, you will look like you can't hit a target.
You've got to be able to hit stuff. And they
start hitting things and they realize.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Hey, this is fun.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
I like doing this thing, and then they can think about, oh,
I could apply that to my everyday life. As a
high profile person. You have people who show up at
your door. You're always worried about security, and you know
you can hire security, but hire security is only as
good is the dollar or the person who shows up,
(29:02):
and it's still up to you. So a lot of
them have figured out I'm going to be good at
this myself. I'm going to protect myself, and they come
back and continue to do the train. So anyway, that
was a whole bunch of fun. So all right, I
got things coming out here. I want to tell you
about this twelve year old kid that we helped out
get his first rifle and oh yeah, by the way,
it was one of the new gun Talk g T
(29:22):
thirty rifles who did a total surprise revealed he had
no idea I was working in cahoots with his dad.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Great story there, as well as we got other things
going on.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Here's a question for you, if you had to narrow
down your guns down to four, only four of any type.
Your four gun battery? What would that be?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Our number here is.
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about getting one to a young man. I'll tell that
story in a bit. We did have a thing happened,
and you know it's one of those under the category
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of it's always something and it's Okay, we got it
taken care of, but it's like, really, really, we got
to do this thing. I got a call from Johnny Durry.
Of course, all these guns are being sold through Dury's Guns,
and he said, well, he said, we got a call
from somebody.
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Who got a GT.
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Thirty rifle and he got the three await oh, he
got the five five six rifle, but the magazine in
the box with a three eight mag what he says, yeah,
And then we heard from a couple of others. So
we went and checked some of our boxes. And it's
not all of them, it's just a few of them,
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but some of the rifles, the five five six rifles
came with three O eight magazines. He says, it's okay.
I mean, we just turned around and sent up an
AR magazine. Immediately took care of him and told him
just keep the three eweight magazine. That's fine, use it
in another rifle, but one of those really okay. So
if you got a five five six version of the
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They'll get you an AR. I would assume you have
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And here's the thought.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Now, if you have an extra magazine for the three
o eight and you don't have anything to put that
magazine in, you could buy the three o eight version
of the GT thirty right down south. We call that
evening up. You know, if you don't have enough gravy
for your mashed potato, you go get more gravy. You know,
(34:19):
if you run out of biscuits before you run out
of me or you got to go get another biscuit,
that's evening up. So if you got a three o
eight mag you don't have a rifle for it, you
got to even up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
You gotta go get your rifle for that. Thing works
for me.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Let's go Line one talk with A Valerie out of Springfield, Missouri.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Hello Valerie, Welcome to the show. Hello.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
I have to tell you that I just moved to
Missouri from Maine and discovered your program and I'm loving it.
My father was a gun trader, and we'd have guys
coming by to talk guns every night, and it just
makes me feel like I'm a kid again.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Oh my gosh, that's so sweet.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
And I'm in my seventies now, so long time ago
that he was a gun trader.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
How could I help you today?
Speaker 9 (35:06):
Well, all right, because of who my dad was, I've
been shooting guns since I was six or seven. I'm
not an ex you know. I was a good shot.
I don't know a lot about guns, but I know
safety and you know, precautions, and I'm not scared of them.
So I have two handguns that I keep for self protection.
(35:29):
I've always had a handgun for self protection because that's
how I was raised. One is a revolver that literally
belonged to my grandfather. It's a thirty eight cold I think,
and actually I'm a pretty good shot with it, you know,
and it's easy for me to load because it's a revolver.
(35:49):
The other is a sig Sour with a clip, and
because of my age, my hands can't load the clip. Well.
It's a real hard thing to do. So I'm thinking
of getting something easier for me to handle, weaker hands, etc.
So I'm thinking maybe like some sort of a twenty
(36:11):
two because it's not a huge amount for self protection.
But if this old lady pulls a gun out and
start shooting at you' you're probably gonna, yeah, wander off
or hearing these ads for these burners, which are like
a non lethal type gun type thing that supposedly am
going to incapacitate somebody. So question, what do I want?
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Okay, I've got to ask you a couple of questions
and then we'll get to an answer. Are you when
you could run a semi auto pistol like that said,
were you comfortable working it? Let's put aside right now,
work on the slide and all that. Are you okay?
You'll like the idea of a semiauto?
Speaker 9 (36:52):
Yeah, I'm perfectly fine with that.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
If you could work the slide and if you could
load the magazine, would you be okay? Getting a different semiato?
Speaker 9 (37:05):
Probably?
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (37:08):
I was hoping that's where we're going to go. There
is a gun for you, and it is made by
Smith and Wesson. It's called the Shield Easy Like it's
easy to use, and I would say get it in
the three eighty caliber, not a nine milimeter.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
But a three eighty.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
That means the recoil spring is much weaker, so you
can work the slide. And they have the coolest little
system for their magazine with two little projections on either
side of the magazine. You just slide that down the
magazine and drop rounds in. It's super easy to load.
My wife likes it. She has arthritis in her hands
(37:49):
where it's harder for her to work a slide, but
she can work the easy very well. So what I
would suggest is going to a gun store and say, look,
do you have one? Can I try it? Try working
the slide, try working the magazine. If it works for you,
then you can get that. If they don't have that,
(38:09):
I'm about to run out of time here, ask them
about a tip up barrel. That's the phrase, a tip
up barrel, and they might have it in a twenty
two and that doesn't require you to work a slide
at all. And that gets back to your idea of
getting a gun that's easy to you. So the first
is the Smith and Wesson easy in three eighty, and
(38:30):
the second would be asked them if they have a
tip up barrel pistol, and I think you can work that. Valie,
thank you so much for joining us here. I appreciate you.
You just sound like a delightful lady and I'd love
to spend time with you. You would be a hoot
and a half at a party. I guarantee you call
back anytime and let us know how this works out.
I want to know what you end up with on
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this deal. And thank you and congratulations on deciding to
be your own protector, because that's the only smart way
to go.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Tom talk gun, that's the number. Give me a shout.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Okay, we played this game every once in a while,
just because it's fun. If you had to take only
four guns, just four guns, get rid of everything else,
and these are the ones you're left with, what would
they be?
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Steven wants to play. He's in Casper, Wyoming. Stevid, all right,
you got the floor, you got four guns to choose.
Where are you going to get Thanks.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Again for let me talk to you and your listeners.
The four guns I would choose, my friend is a
Rock Island Armory in nineteen eleven in nine milimeter, a
Smith and Wesson twenty two thirty two kit gun, and
I always would choose to stainless Model sixty three okay,
I have a most. I have a Mossburg Jerry miklect model.
(39:52):
Mind's the older one that nine thirty unbelievably reliable, shoots
anything I put in it, and a count on a
daily I have a lot of some of the shotgun
and my last one is something I've owned for over
fifty years, Remmington seven one and thirty odd six. Utterly reliable,
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deadly accurate, bult action rival.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
And there's just about nothing you can't do with a
thirty odd six.
Speaker 8 (40:21):
There's I would say, unless there's a safari to some planet.
Pill Wackley said that one time, and this is a
safari is pretty much do the job.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yep, No, I agree. I like your choice. So we've
got a thirty out six Voltax.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
We've got a semi automatic shotgun twelve gage. We've got
a twenty two revolver and in nineteen eleven in nine
millimeter as opposed to forty five, because of course you
can find nine millimeter everywhere. All right, David, I like it.
You've thrown it down there. We're going to let others
kind of jump into the middle of this. I appreciate
(40:58):
the call, sir, Yeah, you got to pick four guns,
and that's got to take care of everything for you.
So it could be rifle, shotgun, revolver, semi auto, single shot,
whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
It to be.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
I don't care, but like I say, I hope we're
never down to four guns. But it is kind of
an interesting thought process or thought experiment to say, or
if I had to narrow it.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Down, what would I go with?
Speaker 5 (41:24):
And you know, we all do this occasionally, and it's
one of those you could do it around the campfire
or when you're out hunting with your group or just
shooting the breeze. But it's been there forever. We've probably
been right about this and gun magazines for at least
fifty years, maybe one hundred years, who knows.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
So that's an interesting idea.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
Some will choose a three fifty seven magnum revolver because
you can then use thirty eight special in it. I
kind of think maybe having a twenty two in the
mix is not a bad idea. But the question is
would you want your twenty in a handgun or in
a rifle?
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Hmm? Interesting?
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Oh oh, by the way, speak of that. I just
bought because it was on sale one of the male
order places. Haven't even taken it out of the blister
pack yet. A conversion kit for an AR fifteen to
be able to shoot twenty two rim fire. You get
a new bolt to get some magazines with it, You
swap out the bolt to put it in a different magazine,
and now you're shooting twenty two rim fire through your AR.
(42:26):
I have my fingers crossed that it's actually going to work.
Sometimes conversions sound like a great idea toil you put
them in and you find out you have now built
a jam ometic. I'm hoping that's not the case here
and that it actually runs. I mean, I guess I'll
get to do my own range report on this once
I get it out to the range.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
So that's gonna be a kind of a fun idea.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Taking one of my existing ars and now making it
a twenty two rim fire.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
It's kind of a fun deal.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
When we come back, we're going to have a report
from well Gun Owners of America had their second Goals
Conference actually going on right now, finishing up in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Plan of report from what was going on there, what
was interesting, what was fun? We also I'll give my
report on surprising a young man with a Gt.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Thirty rifle. That was fun.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
We threw in an airplane ride where he got to
fly the plane around in the.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Deal, so that was really a hoot and a half.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
A lot of planning went into that, a lot of subterfuge,
so we were being sneaky about that, and of course
we're looking for your raised reports again. Eight six y
six Talk gun or Tom Talk gun. I'm Tom Grascher.
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All right, let's do this thing again.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Hey, I'm Tom Gresham and this is Gun Talk, where
we gather every week to talk about guns and shooting
and the shooting sports, and of course we'll talk about
politics as well, and there's going to be some of
that today as always, because that's kind of a part
of the makeup. I also have a story to tell
you about being able to help out a young man
get his first gun on his way to his first
(00:52):
deer hunt, and that one turned out fun. That was
a really fun caper that we pulled together, surprising him.
So that'll be coming up just a little bit later.
That a lot of things going on in the news.
We'll be talking about. One of the things that you
probably have said. You know, if you pay the attention
at all, this controversy about the actress and model Sydney Sweeney,
and she did a commercial for American Ego brand about
(01:16):
blue jeans, and it blew up and the left went
crazy and it's like.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Oh, this is terrible. Well not really.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Fortunately, American Eagles stood by their guns and they backed
her up. They didn't back down from the whole deal.
But in the process, and this is where it gets
interesting for us, in the process, a video comes out
of Sydney Sweeney shooting a pistol, and not just shooting
a pistol, but training with Tarren Butler, and she is
(01:45):
shredding targets, I mean, doing something amazing. Turns out she's
a natural athlete, kickboxer, grappler, wakeboarding, baseball, soccer.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Played all of that. She likes that stuff. So I thought,
you know, I know Tarror.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I've shot with Taran and of course he is the
guy that well, Keanu Reeves came to him and he
trained up Kean Reeves for the John Wick movies. And frankly,
I think Terren Butler may be responsible largely for the
change in movies where we have good gun handling these days,
it's a welcome relief. So anyway, I reached out to Arran.
(02:21):
I was able to grab him for a fascinating interview.
And here's that interview with Tarren Butler. All right, Terarren,
you are a grand master and a whole bunch of
different shooting disciplines. At what point did you realize that
you were an exceptional shooter?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I know, it's weird.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
I was just shooting a lot on the property with
the property back in the eighties and stuff like that
with a little buck mark. And then one day I'm
at the guy at this local gun store was going
to the South of pistol league and he came out
to I saw you shooting matches, and I want to
get in the match of the red all the guns
and AMMO ended up going shooting and shot been pretty
(03:00):
dang fast and really good with an old stupid forty
five nine to eleven I had, And this guy's like, dang,
you're pretty good, and so he took me to self
this pistol league, and I did pretty good, and then
he ended up like wanting to make sure I didn't
beat him. He was a champion. He took me to
a gunsmith that built me this horrific twenty eleven. So
(03:20):
I had all these gun jams and craziness going on.
So I quit it was like nineteen ninety one, and
waited like a year to get my gun back from
Bruce Gray. And then then these other guys were like,
you know, let's go. And I took a Block twenty
one that was in two, nineteen ninety four, and I
thought it was the worst year ever I had when
(03:41):
that when they built me that h twenty eleven, nineteen eleven,
it didn't work at all.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It seized up in the match. He had this badload,
Amma with me.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
It was a month fifty five grain bullet at sixteen
hundred feet per second of the forty fivep It was
a freaking nuclear like bottle mag And I'm like that
I make power factory guys. Dude, You're like two hundred
and fifty power factors.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Am.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I'm like, I don't know. I'm a new stupid kid.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
You know, nobody does that.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
And you know what virginni Cow was, I'm shooting actually shots,
So it was the worst, like first time and last
time I ever shot. And then these other guys, these
militant guys that Turner's.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Like, let's go, got it ready for the end of
the apocalypse.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
And they came to the range and I had property,
but I had nothing, just just weeds and property and
some junk steel.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And I was at Turners. I was gonna buy a gun.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Like get a glock. I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (04:28):
This boxy looking plastic junk and all the old school's
goint of a metal frame.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Like.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
So I had my this gun that Bruce Gray built,
this beautiful like nineteen eleven with a twoport comp and
it was all hard chromed and and all this stuff
and it was beautiful. It didn't work at all, and
that was a weird time for Brucey. So I'm They're like,
well the gun doesn't work. Tried this block twenty one.
I'm like, oh my god, this is a big brick
looking showed gun, like what like I mean? Then I
(04:53):
started shooting it and it's shooting all this leftover nuclear
ammo doesn't jam, and then I'm like.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
God, it looks stupid, it crap and.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It works right.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
So then so then I went to the back to
the match where I was a disaster zone three years.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Ago, and I come.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
In seventh out of one hundred and eighteen guys with
a block twenty one, and I'm like, dang, Like, if
I get a real decent guns, guys all got nineteen
eleven twenty sdis right, got this big CLUNKO blocked twenty
the seventeen round max like at dork now a thirteen
round max. And I got to all these then then
I thought, wow, I'm pretty good at this. And so
basically the guy that got me into it was trying to, like,
(05:31):
you know, and I traded him a nice cold ar
fifteen h bar and a Bonelli to get this jacked
up gun, and I ended up later on tricking him
getting my BINOI backs I'm the first, and then I
got into Then I got into three gun. On my
first three gun match, I was like, what am I
doing this? A friend of mine throws me into him
like this is not I and I ended up winning
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the three gun match, but I was terrible.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I'm shocking. I'm dropping shells and this guy's like there.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Were shoot, shoot a lot of stuff you can get.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
And I'm shooting this steel and these places are flying
backwards like the guys by the brush coves and command.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So I end up I end up winning the match.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
But disaster on shotgun, and I thought if I learned
a load shotgun, and then then it kind of went
from there when I'm too long in the too throughout
the story.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
But uh, I mean, the fact of it is you,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I'm always convinced there are some people that God just
reaches down and touches and says you'll be able to
shoot like crazy. And you were one of those guys
where at the moment you picked up a gun, you
could do it well and to fast forward. You may
have had a rough start, but then you end up
like grand Master in five different disciplines and one of
the fastest and best shooters, most accurate shooters on the planet.
And now you train everybody from special forces, law enforcement
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to competitive shooters and of course all the Hollywood folks
these days.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Yeah, I see, like two years ago I gotten my
ninth Grand Master card.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
For anybody else in the world ever did it.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
So, you know, being an old man like I am
now I have to pull off get a ninth Grand
Master card just just before anybody else was pretty fun,
you know, And I love competitions. I love matches and
it's kind of like they follow the history of like
movies there. They were so great in the nineties two thousands,
and I think what's happened in matches now when you
travel to them, it's kind of like.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's like a movie. Nowadays, there's too much CG.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Basically, people don't want to put the work into a
match that back then or times there were so many
amazing stages and there's tanks and trucks and running across
drawbridges and then I was just throw up some jump
of seals, give us a bunch of guns for the.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Competition called a day. We're on our phone or on Instagram,
so it's just a different era.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
I'm very blessed that I was able to shoot with
some of the most awesome guys like Rob Latham a
his prime, Jerry Bonhart get the shoot with those guys,
with Super Squad, with Todd Jarrett, you know, Robert bogol Dus,
the Big Meat, Travis Romassi. There was a certain era
of shooting that was very blessed to be part of
and learned from guys.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Because when I was first got into the Super Squad.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
I was basically all about crazy splits, you know, just
insane splits. And it was great, but I'm watching guys
that are doing amazing, Like wait a minute, they're they're
splits a lot slower, but they're getting better hits, the
transitions are better. And then I started learning that, and
then uh, I would suck at the standards, like the
fifty yards you got rid of it, you.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Don't find it anymore.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
I'm over anyone said, do anything moore left hand, right hand,
fifty yards and twenty five yards and this brutal, miserable
issue with iron sights. And then one day, Uh, Frank
Carci is like, what's wrong with you, Bud?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
He's like, what do you put in practice? And like
just shredding all the time.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
He's like, you idiots, why do you practice what your
what your you know your weaknesses. I'm like, oh, I
started doing it, and I came back into the awesome
at the standards and stuff like that. So I've been
very blessed because you know, it's it's in the competition world.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Three gun IDP action shooting.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
I got to a point where I realized, like, I
don't want to be just the old shooter still trying
to hang on. At some point everybody gets, you know,
to a point where they've got a position, and I thought,
you know, I want to do more than that. You know,
I can't get a decent gun like I've lost so
many nationals and stuff with some twenty eleven that would
just jam and have issues, or beautiful gun by a
(09:04):
certain company that shoots like a paintball gun and because
their twists is too slow. One in twenty four, when
one in sixteen. So I wanted to give the world
like stuff that's just good and runs and feels it.
Back in those days it was fine STI or an
infinity and then gut it, new barrel, new safety, do trigger, And.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I said, let's just get it right the first time.
Might have got a gut a.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Brain new for our what a concept. Let's just make
a gun that actually works out of the buntains. All right,
don't go far because in a minute we're going to
continue this conversation we have with tarn Butler.
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Speaker 5 (10:53):
I want to continue this fascinating the interview I got
a couple of days ago with Tarren Butler about shooting
with movie stars and how he frankly is the one
who changed the way we see guns and shooting used
in movies today.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
I did a lot of different movies in the past,
like Public Enemies and other stuff I worked on, but
nothing that's nothing that really stood out or no, no
watershed moment, whatever you want to call it. But then
I was somebody saw me shooting. The director John Wick
saw me shooting on YouTube whatever. He always looks at
cool YouTube shot to finally dragon his breath and stuff
for his movies.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
From John Wick.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
And he saw my style of shooting and made me
challenge me to shoot with one hand with an apple.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I did some dumb hip shooting.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Video and he's like, oh my god, this is the
guy and uh and brought Keanu out. It was just
like an instant, like perfect relationship eleven years ago. And
and and I've done a lot of movies before and
every time in the theater like wat's this cool part
with the reload like cut out like the Hells and
Michael Man have me train this guy for this Johnny
(11:54):
Depp movie, Stephen Lane to load a you know, a
lever action can gauge the fascinating in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And they cut it all out, like.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
What was the point?
Speaker 6 (12:04):
And so that this is the first director ever wanted
everything you wanted left hand shotgunloading old school like in
three Gun when it was at that time in twenty fifteen,
then transitioned to quad loading and john Wick three, and
then went to the Magfet Genesis and john Wick four.
So like the movie progressed with the multi and stuff
that I was winning the Nationals with because I won
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that way, that I want quadloading, that I won with
a Magfet shotgun to win the Triple Crown in three
different nations and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Hey, Ary, let me let me let me ask you,
because my impression is, I mean, and you have taught
all of these actors, Jill Cannery, you say, you know
a Hollybaryer goes on and on and on, and my
impression is that you're not teaching them just to look
good in a movie. You actually are teaching them to shoot,
and they've become shooters. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
I always tell everybody I go, look do huge fight
trains and movies. Do you want to be a fake
fighter and pull your punches everywhere? Do you want to
actually have something that you can maybe use down the road.
You know, you can't guarantee that the police are going
to save you, and I tell them, and I couldn't.
They usually end up buying guns and getting safe and
all this stuff, and so I tell them like, well,
(13:08):
let's do this, and we could do some Hollywood runs
for actually speed for a scene, but I want you
to actually be able to shoot well.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
And they all like it. They all want that.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
It was an extension of a martial arts, a more
lethal martial.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Art, and they get into it and end up like
coming out, not just for movies. They come out just
because they want to keep it going and or their
next project comes along.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
And we add more to it. So I always hit.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Him up with that, and then they've become like regulars
and they start liking that world when they not really
don't like it when they first show up.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Usually you know, all right, Obviously the video thereyboy's watching
right now is Sidney Sweeney, you know, and she's tearing
it up and she to my impression is I mean,
she's like the real deal.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
She's not somebody who's just faking this stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
No, she's just all around, you know, great girl. Just
he does lots of martial arts her whole life. She
likes working on cars and just hit me up like, hey,
I want to learn in this. I want to come out.
Came out super nice to everybody, super generous and natural,
like a total natural shooter. Like I took about four
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hours or so to get her to that point, you know,
I was like, oh, well she's you know, she's the
targets aren't super far away.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Well, okay, we'll do it in that speed.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
It's about anybody could shoot those.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Any target anywhere if you don't have any time limit,
you know.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Like like you're going to be in the Olympics, I'm
gonna be.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
You know, I'm on the hundred oard dash both time
as the matter, So I'll just walk it. You'd be
in the same bolt Like it's how fast you're doing
without missing.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
What it's about.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Right. But she's a super great girl, and I think
that she can get some cool action films with Lionsgate,
which does the John Wick franchise. And she's working non stop.
She's on Devil with Plotter right now. She just finished
Euphoria three and that's a great show. Dan, that's a
really good It's brutal, but it's a great show. Eric
Dane also shoots. He's from the show too, big, great guy,
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How do.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
You teach people?
Speaker 5 (15:01):
I mean, obviously there's a lot that goes in, but
you are an incredible instructor. When you get somebody like that,
how do you start them? And how do you make
good shooters out of these people.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
I've been very blessed in communication. There's been a lot
of great shooters in the past that I've seen and
I walk into classes and they're super blessed being incredible shooters,
but they don't have the communication skill, like like Rob
Ath once said, you got to have all three, you know,
to be really great at in the competition world.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
To make it and making a lot of money, and.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
He has all three, like Todd here is great communicator,
Robin Lath and great communicator with Gary Barnhart, great shooter first,
you know, that's the media and cheeseburger. Then they got
the great fries of being communication and just being a personality.
You got to have all these things. And have been
several great shooters that were fantastic I shot with, but
they're drones. They don't know how to talk communicate, and
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I've been very good at that. And I love movies.
I love movies before shooting and God was able to
like pull me into it in a certain way, and
I've been able to shoot.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
It's just just sort.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Of real surreal kind of to have someone come to
the range that you've been watching for thirty years and
now you just shooting with them and they taking the
lunch we're talking them.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Like for instance, like you.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Know Harrison Ford, I don't know where he's out there,
and I thought he would just get some guns whatever
for home defense because back and when things were like
really bad, but the pandemic and anyway, he comes out
and shoots and he's running courses and stuff like this
is like crazy, go get coffee together and go to
five eleven. Of course, the guy that wants to stupid
to recognize them, like how I'm like, Harrison, come on
and check out these shoes.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah, what are those ones?
Speaker 8 (16:31):
Those?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Hell?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
This guy, this guy is just like sitting on his phone.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Like you're a tom you know you could be. And
the next the next day I bring in Freak and
Samuel L.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Jackson.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
I'm like the two biggest box office stars in history.
And this other guy doesn't know the hell it is either.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
But Sidney's just a.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Wonderful person and I'm very happy that nobody caved in
and realized this bully was was a facade the whole time.
And these companies now have the freedom to do what
they want and not be you know, couchout into giving
up and apologize, because no matter how much you apologize
to groups like this, they don't care. They are jealous
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of what you have. They want to destroy you. And
it's a tiny group of people that seem loud, but
they're a joke.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And this was a moment that did that.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
And you know, I just remastered the video and did
it to help promote her an American Eagle.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
I had no.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Idea, like I thought of you like, just whatever.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
And the video was out a few times before it's
it's been around she posted it, you know, and I
just made it nice because everybody watches reels now it's
got to be vertical. I get up subtitles, are watching
it without sound on the airplane. And the thing went
viral off the charts on everything on Fox News and
every chilling home. My god, I'm watching the whole Fox
News lineup. In every episode is the video, you know,
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And it was super cool and and her and the
company just stood their ground. They did nothing wrong. Why
apologize they do nothing wrong. You just did a simple ad,
been doing it one hundred years, Brookshields did in nineteen
eighty one.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Yes, well, let me send people over to You got
a great website. You got all scores of products and
access rats and things you make for shooters, tearing, tactical innovations,
dot com online. Are we in a new era in
terms of directors and movies actually trying to get things
right when it comes to guns and shooting.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Yeah, it's cool because like a little moment that happened
when that first video came out of Keanu was shredding
by the yellow car and three gunning from you know, rifle, pistol, shotgun,
it changed things in Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Every actor on the planet.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Realized, like, I can't get away with just some X
comp or whatever or some ex military guy that just
give a crap on set. And so there for craft
services to teach rarely anyone to do anything. They have
to cut out all the reloads, and every actor is like,
I got to get to this level. This is a
whole different thing.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
I can do martial arts, I can beat your ass,
but I got to learn how to hold a gun, right.
So I was just overwhelmed with everybody at that time
in twenty fifteen when that happened, and it continues not stop,
because they realized, like this is a new level that
we have to tape up to, you know. They you know,
they got to try to like be whatever Tiano is
in john Wick, and and then john Wick had to
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keep going next level and I had to keep thinking
of new ideas and just adding more to it. And
that was great about the director. Chad Sahoalski is like
he wanted the quad loading and like, no.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
One's going to know what this is chat he goes,
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
They can keep watching it to figure out what the
heck it is.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, they said look at they go, what do he
just do there? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Like on the first one, the match Saver, like, oh
look a shot down Jam Cleary quick Like, now, DEMI,
it's the mat Saver. You don't know what you're looking at?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Really go look it up.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Yeah, So that was really cool that he did that
when other movies, like I said before, would cut out
everything just happened recently like Bums Me Out. It's not
anyone's fault with the editors and sometimes directors now don't
have control of the editors.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
We did in the movie Centers and Michael B.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Jordan did the fastest Tommy gun reload ever recorded on video.
I don't care if it's a trick shore no one's
ever done it. I've looked everywhere try to find someone
to a two ten reload on a Tommy gun. And
it took me a while to figure it out how.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
To do it. And it's like the opposite of everything
we learned on Air fifteen to do it.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And he did it.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And I'm watching the movie, like, you know, the first
two hours are over.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Now it's the last twenty minutes is crazy shootout shreds
all these guys with the Tommy gunn bar and a
forty five and they cut both the reloads down, Like
come on, oh, you had a two hours and twenty
minute movie. You can't give me two seconds? Like you
really had to cut it out so I have more singing, like.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And I'm like why, like why didn't you know? And
so anyway, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
You can't control that, right, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Well you're doing amazing things, and you, I would say,
are single handedly responsible for us seeing really good gun
handling and amazing gun handling in the movies. And at
the same time, you're taking all of these celebrities, a
lot of them we don't even know, and getting them
into shooting, whereas not just for the movies, but they
actually like doing shooting.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Now.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Yeah, I mean, look, they wanted to find their home
and stuff like that. And if there's someone that's not
crazy about guns or whatever, because you know, they come
out I don't know their political background.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Some of them pretty obvious, but I don't get into politics.
They just help them through it from the movie. And
we come for pretty good friends.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
With a lot of these people, and then they know
what what I'm about, and they just like me and Tatiana.
I think we're great people and fun and generous, and
they're very generous. And a lot of them like that
are you know, in their fifties and sixties. Gave her
and I like amazing like chips on vitamins and things
like that. Like Cameron Diaz for instance, just unbelievably sweet person,
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just has so much advice on stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
And so you know, we just do we can.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Do our best with them and and make sure that
they're you know, not all of some of.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Them by guns them don't but they do. We make
sure that they have it good safe, but they can't
open it. And nobody just hurt. All this stuff the
right hand mother and you go through five walls.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Darren Butler, you're you're amazing. I enjoyed shooting with you
at the Cigavan a couple of years ago, and you
and your crew were very generous and fun to be with.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Great to see there. And hopefully we'll get together soon.
Sometimes it's been a while.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Sounds good.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
We'll make it happen again, Terary Butler, Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
And record all your shows and watch them all.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
They're awesome. Yeah, we have a bunch of fun. I'm
sure to Hey, we'll get we'll get together, do some shooting,
all right, I'll come back.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
He sounds good. Appreciate that, sir. He'll be right back
with more gun talking. Well, that was a lot of fun,
Arren Butler a fascinating guy.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Obviously.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
It's like a lot of the really really top competition
shooters I've worked with on camera, I'm interviewing, I'm doing
videos and things. One of the things we it's a
common deal, uh, I'm always having to tell them to
slow down. I mean, we do this all the time,
and I don't care who it is. You know, it's
Max Michelle, Rob Lath, of them, it's Jerry Barner, all
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of them, because they do everything fast. And so when
I'm interviewing Tarren Butler, yeah he's talking fast. But that's
just how they're wired. Our standard deal and it's become
a we almost laugh about it. We say, look, just
slow down ten percent. Well, nobody can actually slow down
ten percent. Nobody actually knows what it is. It just
(23:12):
makes them think about it, okay, a little sore. And
then when they're holding a gun in front of a camera,
you know, and they'll talk about it and they'll they'll
pick it up and put it right back down. It's like, no,
you've got to put it up there long enough for
us to focus and get things on. It's just slow down, Jerry,
you know, give us a minute here. But talking to
Terry Butler was just so much fun. I assume at
(23:36):
this point you have maybe you haven't seen the videos
that are making the rounds uh with Sidney Sweeney. She
is the very attractive, beautiful young actress who did the
commercial for American Eagle Blue Jeans, and then somehow the
left got crazy and the woke went nuts, as they
tend to, but this time it didn't work. They didn't
(23:58):
shame anybody into back and Day on America, and he
go said, no, we're just gonna We're gonna push on
with it. They actually put her up on big billboards,
electronic billboards and Times Square.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Well, there's stuff that you didn't know about Sidney Sweeney.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
And she grew up I wouldn't say a tomboy, but
doing a lot of interesting activities, a lot of athletic things,
and she does her own restorations on cars, on classic cars,
working on transmissions, working on engines. She played baseball and
(24:31):
soccer and wakeboarded and did kickboxing and did grappling as
a young girl. So action shooting is not foreign to
her at all. And so she's tearing up these targets
with the video that Terry had put out. And then
if you know Taron Butler at all, and you know
(24:52):
what he does with his training with Tarran Tactical, I
mean he's training Holly Berry, and I mean the whole
stream mentioned Samuel L. Jackson and Harrison Ford, and I
know some of the people that he trains that they
don't want their names out there, but their household names
are very famous people.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
He just has the gift for doing it.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
He's actually in the process and he's out in California,
but he's opening up a new facility down in Phoenix area.
So when that happens, we're getting back on and we'll
talk about that a little bit. But it was just
it was really interesting.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I was thinking about.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Movies and thinking about gun handling and movies. And by
the way, our number here is eighty six to six
talk gun if you want to give me a call
open lines. Who got room for you right now? I
was thinking about movies and the gun handling in them
and going way back, and then there's this weird circular
thing just happened. I had been looking up gun twirling
and spending, like you know, the cowboys would spend their revolvers.
(25:50):
You know who is really good at that? I mean
not just like good, but just fantastically good? Is that
was the singer actor Can Sammy Davis Junior. I know
you're thinking I've lost my mind. Go look it up
on YouTube. Sammy Davis Junior gun spinning or gun twirling.
He was unbelievably good. He did it in some of
(26:12):
the movies. As far as I know, that was the
first person I can think of who was really doing
some impressive gun handling in movies. And then I look
up Sidney Sweeney and she is now a producer as well.
This is all going to come full circle one of
the projects as the movie she is working on. I
think she's the producer of it, and she's also going
to start in it. What was it called? Scandalous is
(26:35):
the name of it, and it's the story of Sammy
Davis Junior and the actress Kim Novak way back and
Sidney Sween's gonna play Kim Novak. So I thought, well,
that's kind of cool. She just made the rounds doing
super gun shooting and he was doing super gun handling,
So that was kind of interesting deal. But when I
(26:58):
think about movies and gun hands handling and TV and
gun handling, I always end up on Tom Selleck quickly
down under. I call it the movie that started a
gun as much as anything else. I mean, he knows
how to shoot. He is a gun guy, gun collector,
a gun shooter.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Ben to gunsite, Ben to thunder Edge, done all that stuff,
loves those things and did it well. And then in
his series of very interesting you got to find them
if you can. The Jesse Stone movies he did He
carried in nineteen eleven in those and he had some
really nice gun handling in those as well, so pretty
(27:39):
interesting stuff. And then there was Shoot I cannot remember
the name of it, a movie with Tom Hanks using
nineteen elevens. It was some pretty good gun handling in
that as well. And then of course you end up
with movies like Heat and Sacario and some others, and
there's some good stuff and some stuff that may not
(28:01):
be quite right. And then you move into the John
Wick movies. Well that's Terren Butler all over. Because he
did all the training with Keanu Reeves. Canon Reeves comes
back and shoots with him frequently now and they're always
working out new things.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
But also he comes back just because he likes shooting.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
One of the things that happens is that these celebrities
come to shoot with Aran and they do it because
they want to look good in the movie. But he
has the matter of shooting, and his deal is, look,
if you can't hit a target when you shoot in
the movies, you will look like you can't hit a target.
You've got to be able to hit stuff. And they
start hitting things and they realize.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Hey, this is fun.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
I like doing this thing, and then they can think about, oh,
I could apply that to my everyday life. As a
high profile person. You have people who show up at
your door. You're always worried about security, and you know
you can hire security, but hire security is only as
good is the dollar or the person who shows up,
(29:02):
and it's still up to you. So a lot of
them have figured out I'm going to be good at
this myself. I'm going to protect myself, and they come
back and continue to do the train. So anyway, that
was a whole bunch of fun. So all right, I
got things coming out here. I want to tell you
about this twelve year old kid that we helped out
get his first rifle and oh yeah, by the way,
it was one of the new gun Talk g T
(29:22):
thirty rifles who did a total surprise revealed he had
no idea I was working in cahoots with his dad.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Great story there, as well as we got other things
going on.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Here's a question for you, if you had to narrow
down your guns down to four, only four of any type.
Your four gun battery? What would that be?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Our number here is.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Eight six y six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun.
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we're back with you. Give me a call eight six
six talk gun. It'll get you in here. If you
have one of the new GT thirty rifles, we would
love to get your range report. People are wondering, they're
asking questions about it, and I'll have a great story
about getting one to a young man. I'll tell that
story in a bit. We did have a thing happened,
and you know it's one of those under the category
(32:32):
of it's always something and it's Okay, we got it
taken care of, but it's like, really, really, we got
to do this thing. I got a call from Johnny Durry.
Of course, all these guns are being sold through Dury's Guns,
and he said, well, he said, we got a call
from somebody.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Who got a GT.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Thirty rifle and he got the three await oh, he
got the five five six rifle, but the magazine in
the box with a three eight mag what he says, yeah,
And then we heard from a couple of others. So
we went and checked some of our boxes. And it's
not all of them, it's just a few of them,
(33:13):
but some of the rifles, the five five six rifles
came with three O eight magazines. He says, it's okay.
I mean, we just turned around and sent up an
AR magazine. Immediately took care of him and told him
just keep the three eweight magazine. That's fine, use it
in another rifle, but one of those really okay. So
if you got a five five six version of the
(33:35):
g T thirty rifle, go check your magazine. If you
haven't checked it yet, make sure you've got an AR
mag as opposed to a three O eight mag If
you got the three o eight mag called Johnny Johnny's
at Dorry's Guns, and they will take care of you.
They'll get you an AR. I would assume you have
an AR most people do, but if not, we'll get
you an AR magazine.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
And here's the thought.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Now, if you have an extra magazine for the three
o eight and you don't have anything to put that
magazine in, you could buy the three o eight version
of the GT thirty right down south. We call that
evening up. You know, if you don't have enough gravy
for your mashed potato, you go get more gravy. You know,
(34:19):
if you run out of biscuits before you run out
of me or you got to go get another biscuit,
that's evening up. So if you got a three o
eight mag you don't have a rifle for it, you
got to even up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
You gotta go get your rifle for that. Thing works
for me.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Let's go Line one talk with A Valerie out of Springfield, Missouri.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Hello Valerie, Welcome to the show. Hello.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
I have to tell you that I just moved to
Missouri from Maine and discovered your program and I'm loving it.
My father was a gun trader, and we'd have guys
coming by to talk guns every night, and it just
makes me feel like I'm a kid again.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Oh my gosh, that's so sweet.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
And I'm in my seventies now, so long time ago
that he was a gun trader.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
How could I help you today?
Speaker 9 (35:06):
Well, all right, because of who my dad was, I've
been shooting guns since I was six or seven. I'm
not an ex you know. I was a good shot.
I don't know a lot about guns, but I know
safety and you know, precautions, and I'm not scared of them.
So I have two handguns that I keep for self protection.
(35:29):
I've always had a handgun for self protection because that's
how I was raised. One is a revolver that literally
belonged to my grandfather. It's a thirty eight cold I think,
and actually I'm a pretty good shot with it, you know,
and it's easy for me to load because it's a revolver.
(35:49):
The other is a sig Sour with a clip, and
because of my age, my hands can't load the clip. Well.
It's a real hard thing to do. So I'm thinking
of getting something easier for me to handle, weaker hands, etc.
So I'm thinking maybe like some sort of a twenty
(36:11):
two because it's not a huge amount for self protection.
But if this old lady pulls a gun out and
start shooting at you' you're probably gonna, yeah, wander off
or hearing these ads for these burners, which are like
a non lethal type gun type thing that supposedly am
going to incapacitate somebody. So question, what do I want?
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Okay, I've got to ask you a couple of questions
and then we'll get to an answer. Are you when
you could run a semi auto pistol like that said,
were you comfortable working it? Let's put aside right now,
work on the slide and all that. Are you okay?
You'll like the idea of a semiauto?
Speaker 9 (36:52):
Yeah, I'm perfectly fine with that.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
If you could work the slide and if you could
load the magazine, would you be okay? Getting a different semiato?
Speaker 9 (37:05):
Probably?
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (37:08):
I was hoping that's where we're going to go. There
is a gun for you, and it is made by
Smith and Wesson. It's called the Shield Easy Like it's
easy to use, and I would say get it in
the three eighty caliber, not a nine milimeter.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
But a three eighty.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
That means the recoil spring is much weaker, so you
can work the slide. And they have the coolest little
system for their magazine with two little projections on either
side of the magazine. You just slide that down the
magazine and drop rounds in. It's super easy to load.
My wife likes it. She has arthritis in her hands
(37:49):
where it's harder for her to work a slide, but
she can work the easy very well. So what I
would suggest is going to a gun store and say, look,
do you have one? Can I try it? Try working
the slide, try working the magazine. If it works for you,
then you can get that. If they don't have that,
(38:09):
I'm about to run out of time here, ask them
about a tip up barrel. That's the phrase, a tip
up barrel, and they might have it in a twenty
two and that doesn't require you to work a slide
at all. And that gets back to your idea of
getting a gun that's easy to you. So the first
is the Smith and Wesson easy in three eighty, and
(38:30):
the second would be asked them if they have a
tip up barrel pistol, and I think you can work that. Valie,
thank you so much for joining us here. I appreciate you.
You just sound like a delightful lady and I'd love
to spend time with you. You would be a hoot
and a half at a party. I guarantee you call
back anytime and let us know how this works out.
I want to know what you end up with on
(38:52):
this deal. And thank you and congratulations on deciding to
be your own protector, because that's the only smart way
to go.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Tom talk gun, that's the number. Give me a shout.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Okay, we played this game every once in a while,
just because it's fun. If you had to take only
four guns, just four guns, get rid of everything else,
and these are the ones you're left with, what would
they be?
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Steven wants to play. He's in Casper, Wyoming. Stevid, all right,
you got the floor, you got four guns to choose.
Where are you going to get Thanks.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Again for let me talk to you and your listeners.
The four guns I would choose, my friend is a
Rock Island Armory in nineteen eleven in nine milimeter, a
Smith and Wesson twenty two thirty two kit gun, and
I always would choose to stainless Model sixty three okay,
I have a most. I have a Mossburg Jerry miklect model.
(39:52):
Mind's the older one that nine thirty unbelievably reliable, shoots
anything I put in it, and a count on a
daily I have a lot of some of the shotgun
and my last one is something I've owned for over
fifty years, Remmington seven one and thirty odd six. Utterly reliable,
(40:13):
deadly accurate, bult action rival.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
And there's just about nothing you can't do with a
thirty odd six.
Speaker 8 (40:21):
There's I would say, unless there's a safari to some planet.
Pill Wackley said that one time, and this is a
safari is pretty much do the job.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yep, No, I agree. I like your choice. So we've
got a thirty out six Voltax.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
We've got a semi automatic shotgun twelve gage. We've got
a twenty two revolver and in nineteen eleven in nine
millimeter as opposed to forty five, because of course you
can find nine millimeter everywhere. All right, David, I like it.
You've thrown it down there. We're going to let others
kind of jump into the middle of this. I appreciate
(40:58):
the call, sir, Yeah, you got to pick four guns,
and that's got to take care of everything for you.
So it could be rifle, shotgun, revolver, semi auto, single shot,
whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
It to be.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
I don't care, but like I say, I hope we're
never down to four guns. But it is kind of
an interesting thought process or thought experiment to say, or
if I had to narrow it.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Down, what would I go with?
Speaker 5 (41:24):
And you know, we all do this occasionally, and it's
one of those you could do it around the campfire
or when you're out hunting with your group or just
shooting the breeze. But it's been there forever. We've probably
been right about this and gun magazines for at least
fifty years, maybe one hundred years, who knows.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
So that's an interesting idea.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
Some will choose a three fifty seven magnum revolver because
you can then use thirty eight special in it. I
kind of think maybe having a twenty two in the
mix is not a bad idea. But the question is
would you want your twenty in a handgun or in
a rifle?
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Hmm? Interesting?
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Oh oh, by the way, speak of that. I just
bought because it was on sale one of the male
order places. Haven't even taken it out of the blister
pack yet. A conversion kit for an AR fifteen to
be able to shoot twenty two rim fire. You get
a new bolt to get some magazines with it, You
swap out the bolt to put it in a different magazine,
and now you're shooting twenty two rim fire through your AR.
(42:26):
I have my fingers crossed that it's actually going to work.
Sometimes conversions sound like a great idea toil you put
them in and you find out you have now built
a jam ometic. I'm hoping that's not the case here
and that it actually runs. I mean, I guess I'll
get to do my own range report on this once
I get it out to the range.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
So that's gonna be a kind of a fun idea.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Taking one of my existing ars and now making it
a twenty two rim fire.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
It's kind of a fun deal.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
When we come back, we're going to have a report
from well Gun Owners of America had their second Goals
Conference actually going on right now, finishing up in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Plan of report from what was going on there, what
was interesting, what was fun? We also I'll give my
report on surprising a young man with a Gt.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Thirty rifle. That was fun.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
We threw in an airplane ride where he got to
fly the plane around in the.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Deal, so that was really a hoot and a half.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
A lot of planning went into that, a lot of subterfuge,
so we were being sneaky about that, and of course
we're looking for your raised reports again. Eight six y
six Talk gun or Tom Talk gun. I'm Tom Grascher.
Will be right back with more gun talk.
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