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-- Rock star Ted Nugent takes time from hunting to join the aftershow with his thoughts on hunting, conservation, and honoring famous bowhunter Fred Bear.
-- Ted and Michelle share ideas on the spirtuality of hunting.
-- Is there something more meaningful about using "ancient" tools like bows and muzzleloaders for hunting?
Gun Talk 09.29.24 After Show
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-- Rock star Ted Nugent takes time from hunting to join the aftershow with his thoughts on hunting, conservation, and honoring famous bowhunter Fred Bear.
-- Ted and Michelle share ideas on the spirtuality of hunting.
-- Is there something more meaningful about using "ancient" tools like bows and muzzleloaders for hunting?
Gun Talk 09.29.24 After Show
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio, and you wanted a little bit more.
So that's why you found the gun Talk After Show
podcast where we saved all the best things that we
can't say on regular radio. Now here's Tom, Michelle and
Jim for the gun Talk after Show.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
All right, it's time for the after show. That's the
part we do after the other show because there's parts
of this that we just can't put on the air sometimes.
I got our good friend Michelle Cleveland. Hello, lady, Hello,
and we have a guest dropping in with us today
because we kicked Jim out, actually had to go to
a charity of the concert, the Deskerate Charity, And.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
So I call our good buddy, Ted Nugent. How you doing, partner.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
I'm doing so good. It's wonderful, Tom, Tom and Michelle
proud to be with you here celebrating the Second Amendment.
All things aims small miss, small buddy.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
So what part of the world do we find you
in today?
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Well, I may emit an overdose of effervescent masculinity right
now because I've got three completely worn out super hunting
dogs at my feet. I'm in the sacred swamps of
the Nugent family heaven in southern Michigan, and I'm already
having the greatest hunting season of my life. So the
politics can go ahead and get as goofy and ugly
as struts as possible, because I'm improvising, adapting and overcoming
(01:42):
and just living the ultimate spirit wild dream.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So where you are are the colors turning? Is it
starting to get pretty like fall?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Well, I got some buddies in the up and the
Peninsula there, Tom, and that's a little ahead of the game.
That's a few hundred miles north, and they're starting some
of the Shoemac and some of the sugar maples. But
here on our swamp, I own a fen. While the
other guys were buying drugs and alcohol, I was buying swamps,
and I've got sixteen hundred of just soul cleansing, miraculous
(02:16):
wildlife paradise. So I have a swamp and a marsh
and a fen and lakes and rivers and Babylon brooks
and agriculture and forests and around the edges of the
fen which is a unique wetlands. All the tamarack are
starting to show a little gold, and the dog woods
are starting to turn. The shoemac and some of the
(02:36):
swamp maples, I don't know what breed they are in
the swamp, and they come right up out of the
munk and those are already getting golden and yellow and red.
So that's what turns me on. I think you've noticed
that time. That's what turns me out every year.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I may have noticed that in the past. You're right,
So what are you hunting?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Well, we got some buddies. I got a buddy down
in Mississippi that we got a hold of James Bowlers gameberds.
They raised hundreds of thousands of quail, and we haven't
seen a quail. We have a lot of quail on
our swamp when I started out here in nineteen sixty eight,
sixty nine, but I haven't seen a wild quail since
seventy seven. The raptors and the environments, even though I
(03:15):
trapped the hell out of the coons, the skunks and
the fox and the coyote, and we haven't seen a
wild quail, but I have established a good population a
quail and pheasant, which we're pretty much destroyed here a
few years back as well. So we're hunting a quail
and pheasant my buddy's game preserved Ringneck ranch, and we
(03:35):
get chuckers and I put them in the swamp and
it's just like the old days, even though they're pen
raised birds. Because my habitat is so perfect, I hunt
them week after week after they've been released, so you
know that they've adapted and they've learned to survive. And
my dogs have the time of their lives.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
There's something about hunting with dogs that just adds to it.
And honestly, at a certain point, the dogs take over
and become the reason you hunt, don't they Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I'll tell you I love to hunt. I've been hunting
my whole life. Is my seventy sixth deer season. I
didn't not the first couple of years, but I was there.
I live to hunt. It's it's the ultimate miracle of
God's nature healing powers that I need. Because I'm so involved,
I dare to experiment in self government, and I wouldn't
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hunt a small game if it weren't for my dogs.
And I've never been without dogs. I've never been without dogs.
I live for my much and Boyd, my German shepherd Tom,
and Michelle, my German shepherd. Coco is a duck hunting,
pheasant hunting, quail hunting, duck hunting maniac, and she's a
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German shepherd and she's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That's new on me.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, no kidding, all right, And you probably know Ted.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Michelle is in Ohio, and Michelle, I'm wondering, you're at
the point now where people are probably either starting to
or maybe even starting to get frianted, getting ready for
hunting season.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
What are you seeing in the store these days?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh, well, you know, we've opened up to the whole
bottleneck world a couple of years ago, so of course
that is going crazy and it's taking the place of
many a shotgun user. So for most kids, it seems
like that three P fifty Legend is an extremely popular caliber,
kind of taking the place of the four to fifty
Bushmaster anymore. And of course we have something new last
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year that was introduced called the four hundred Legend, and
that is, you know, slowly gaining this popularity too. But
yet people are gearing up as far as you know,
trying to plan forth with their ammunition allotments and whatnot.
But you know, just looking at the different guns. Rigor
has that new generation of their Ranch American Ranch Rifle America.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
That's a nice rifle.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Oh, that second generation is great. It's a beautiful stock, lightweight,
the trigger is awesome. So that's that's an exciting part there.
Archery is on. Yay, we're opening season with archery now.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
So ed Ted doesn't know much about that archery thing.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah, there's somebody am the mystical flight of the era.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I didn't know if you'd heard of Fred Bear before
or not, so not me.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Well, I think what Michelle is talking about. And I
got all my buddies, our maniac hunters. They just live
for that hands on conservation, soul cleansing lifestyle. But I
think what Michelle is witnessing at every sporting goods store
right now could be best described as a sporting goods orgy.
People go crazy this time here. It's been going on
since July, but it really accelerates right now. And Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin,
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hilar are the top bowl hunting states in the nation.
And I'm surrounded by great dedicated boat hunting families, so
it's it's really on right now.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I don't know if I ever tell you.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
When I was at the American Hunter magazine Maney many
years ago, they sent me out to Michigan and I
did an interview with Fred Behar for his eightieth birthday
and had a really nice time to sit. Now I
go way back. I mean, you know my history. Fred
Bears who taught me to shoot a bow when I
was a kid because he and dad were buddies and
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they were making the American Sportsman Show. So I mean
I got taught how to shoot a bow by Fred
Bhaer of all things.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
That's not too bad.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Well, Tom, you very lucky. I say that we dedicate
the rest of my time on your after hour show
just celebrating what an amazing human being Fred Behar was
on every level, entrepreneurial, god, family country christian, indefatigable in
his entrepreneurial man in the arena efforts and the sacrifice
(07:53):
and the experimentation he did. But he was just a
visionary fighting back against the first floor of anti hunting
and animal rights, corruption and lot and he was just
a brilliant, fun guy. And I've known him since I
was four or five years old, and I got to
hunt with him for over twenty five years, including his
(08:14):
last hunt in eighty seven. So I'm sure those memories
with the great Fred Behar will stay with you forever.
What a great guy.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
All right, let me ask you both this because one
of the things he told me that he did, and
this is the old news to you, Ted, is that
he said when he would practice, he would go out
with his bow in preparation for hunting season and fire
one shot and then come back in. He says, because
that's the shot, you would go out and shoot one
arrow and then go back in. And that was practice
(08:44):
for him.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Good advice. I do that before every hunt. I take
one arrow and I try to replicate the environment, whether
it's tree, standard, ground, blinder stock, and I try to
replicate my anticipated maneuvers. And I do that. Fred Bhaer
taught me that when I was about six years old,
and a lot of guys do it here to that time.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Well, you know, and you think about it. What it
does is it makes you focus.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I mean, Michelle, I'm just thinking about people that go
out and shoot and shoot and shoot and shoot, and
it's like, you know, somebody said, yeah, that's Chris Sorito says, yeah,
that's ballistic masturbation.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
You're just throwing stuff down range.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Come on, he said, Okay, that's why we can do
that on the after show, because we can't do that
on their broadcast show. But the point is doing it
one shot. You got to focus, like that's what it
is with hunting. That is your shot. You're not talking
about being able to follow up and everything else. Getting
it done with that one shot. Whether it's a boat
(09:39):
or a single shot or whatever. It's more of a
I don't know. Ed, It's a mental thing, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
I would call it martial arts. I would say that
the control of one's arrow with the hand, eye, physical, breathing,
muscle control the site picture that you have to attain,
whether you use sites or just a site picture in
a bare boat, no sights, such situation, ed Builderback. Was
Fred's guide, and he filed all the sites off of
(10:05):
his m ones, and he just pointed his m one
and shot bottles out of the air and crows flying.
Fred Bear. I can't fail to mention that, Fred Behar said,
Ed Builderback, that's that famous guide where Fred was behind
that giant boulder on Wide Bay and Alaska shot the
world record brown bear. Ed Builderback was his guide on
that and I got to hunt with Ed builder Back.
(10:27):
But Fred said he was the greatest, most natural hunter.
And what you're talking about is the most instinctual hand
eye coordination that comes from practicing three point baskets or
the Hail Mary hundred yard touchdown pass, none of which
I participated. But I had the bone arrow all my life.
And same with the shotgun. I just put high his
(10:48):
sights on my shotgun barrels, but I don't see him.
I don't see those sites. It's about form, and that's
what Fred was emphasising that it's got to be muscle memory.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, and I want to throw this back to you, Michelle,
this going out shooting one shot. It occurred to me
as I'm saying, I'm thinking, what Michelle knows that because
you are really into muscl or.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Exactly we only get one shot if you have a
follow up shot, something odd happened. But definitely, I mean
it's true of everything actually that we should be concentrating
on right just staring down that front sight concentrating on
what you're doing and gently pulling the trigger, not yanking
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the trigger, and letting your game get scared away. But yeah,
definitely one shot. That's what you have there.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
It is, Hey, Ted, hold on a second, I gotta
take a quick break here. We're gonna sell soap. We'll
be back in just a minute with more after Show.
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Speaker 4 (12:37):
All right, we're back with you with more after Show.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
We've got Ted Nugent of all things, and Michelle with us,
and we're doing what we always do here, which is
just kind of shooting the breeze and wandering anglessly through
the woods.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Ted. You know about that.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
It's my life in between dangerous rock and roll. You know,
I did create the animal breeding soundtrack of all times
with my Gibson bird laugh. So if you're going to
play the kind of outrageous rhythm Lewis fire that me
and my band do. You better have a system by
which you can recharge your batteries and call them down.
And boy, I think God was on my side back
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in the fifties and sixties when I was completely possessed
by a combination figured this combination Michelle and Tom. I
was possessed by Chuck Berry and Fred Bhaer talking about
talk about having all bases covered. But I really discovered
and thanks to my dad. He was a bowhunter when
I was born in forty eight. And there is a
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historical truism to the mystical flight of the ear. It
was the origins of zen. It was considered the epitome
of martial arts, oneness with the path of your life. Now,
I couldn't have said that when I was a kid,
but I'll tell you by the time I was a
young teenager, I started to realize that as I put
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my heart and sold into a good arrow, and that
was back in logbow and recurved is if you again,
hanging out with Fred Baer, how do you not discover this?
From the master and my dad and my brothers, we
all bow hunted, and I discovered that there is a
soul cleansing, spirit rehabilitating. I don't care whether you're just
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a nine to five guys with your dig trenches or
your play dangerous guitared last, I don't care what your
what your life support system is. When you get a
bow and arrow in your hands and you approach it
conscientiously like anything I'm telling you, there's no Joe Biden,
there's no there's no FBI gangsters, there's no it literally
(14:41):
goes away say hallelujah.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
You know, Ted, you're talking about this and people are
going to think, oh, Ted, what's he doing there? What's
he talking about? But you know, if you study archery,
the history of it and from the Asian world where
archery becames then which was you become the arrow? You're
actually you're shooting yourself down range. I mean, and I
know it sounds goofy if you haven't read about it
(15:05):
and haven't studied that, But what you're describing is exactly
what people have been talking about for a thousand years.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
I think it's applicable to all projected. In fact, I
have a business called projectile management because my life, my
life of course around managing my projectiles. I don't care
whether it's a long gun or a handgun, whether it's
tactical combat training or just fun competition plinking. If you,
if you apply yourself, and I'm not saying anything that
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everybody doesn't know, but a lot of times in the
whirlwind of life, we lose track of that focus that
you mentioned, Tom. If you put your heart and soul
into that procedure, that shot sequence, whether again, whether it's handgun,
shotgun rifle, all your best Olympians, all your best clay
masters will tell you this. You have to become out
(15:57):
of body. There can't be any other word other than
your physical the physics of spirituality that guides that next shot. Now,
some guys, some guys are lucky and they can just
blunder into a good shot. I mean a lot of
guys have a natural they're just real care free. I'm
not quite that relaxed. So I really have to go
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all right, I'm not playing guitar now, I'm not setting traps,
I'm not doing an interview in crushing anti nunners. I
am about to become the path of my arrow, and
I do That's what I do.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
So let me do this, Michelle, What is it when
you're describing the people, because I mean, you've been shooting muscloaders,
your family competes with musloaders. Does all of this What
is it about shooting muscloaders that is attractive and appealing
to you?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
My goodness, I guess just it's one of the oldest
let's say firearms in air quotes here, right, but it's
one of the oldest things out there outside of the
bow and arrow. I mean that's where we started with
for the modern day firearms. And so learning about and
holding and knowing the history that could possibly be behind
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the rifle that you know that we're shooting is pretty incredible.
So it just is there's something about the ability to
have to shoot one time and make that count. And
I know, like with some of the competition we do,
it's all about speed. Quite ironically not, but you know
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it is it is that one shot. It's the smell
of the sulfur afterwards.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
One of our favorite scenes ever and you can probably
picture this if you have ever seen the movie The
Last of the Mohicans where he there's the elk running
through the woods. He's running through the woods and then
there is there. There's the shot, there's the smoke, and
then there's the prayer, the thank you for the animal.
(18:02):
And I think we all feel that way, or at
least we should all feel that way, very thankful for
the bounty that's presented. You're able to take it home
and feed your family. And you got it with one
of the oldest elements out there, the muzzleloader or the
bow and arrow. It's awesome.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Chan, I knew you'd fee all at home here.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Well, yeah, I use the term. I don't know where
I picked this stuff up because I didn't go to college.
I was too busy learning stuff. So my radar that
I attribute to my bow hunting forced higher level of
awareness and the discipline of my upbringing and the discipline
of my life. There is a higher level of awareness
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that we should all aspire to and what Michelle is
talking about. I wrote a piece called Prayer for the
Wild Things, which isn't just words and not just getting
unbended knee, but how we conduct ourselves. I've picked up
the term somewhere along the lines of spirituality. We're here
in physical form, but like the Native Americans have taught me,
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in many many encounters and events that we've shared they've
invited me to there is a physics of spiritual ardor
I think we can reference it to Butler, Pennsylvania, when
God turned Donald Trump's head. I really believe that. I
believe that the pain and suffering that we will all
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endure in life can be mitigated and we can rise
above that if we look beyond the physical into the
spiritual world. And I think I'm talking to the people
on gun Talk that understand that. Because when you talk
about God's work, which you do, Tom and Michelle, what
we all do when we promote the Second Amendment, defend
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the Second Amendment, Celebrate the Second Amendment. If promoting and
encouraging and education people, educating people to defend their precious
gift of life isn't God's work, what would be?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
All right?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I want to do this and this stall been terrific ted.
I'm going to give you the floor. We are mere weeks,
mere days the way for the election. Some places they're
already voting right now. You're talking to America's gun owners,
of America's outdoor people, some of whom are not registered
to vote, some of whom don't vote. You have the floor.
(20:26):
You got to explain it to him. Go for it.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
It's pretty simple. I'll take you right back to Vietnam
vets and a survivor of the Baton Deathmarch that invited me.
He wanted to meet me. I don't know what the
do you need any more confidence building than people who
sacrificed and dragged their buddies off the battlefield that seek
(20:49):
to spend time with a guitar player. And they all
expressed to me that they've listened. They've listened to my
interviews and they've listened. They've listened to my music and
my rants on stage in my different pots cast and
I always promote freedom, particularly epitomized by the Second Amendment.
I've saluted so many flag drape coffins and done so
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many benefits, so many families who have lost a loved
one who went to battle for that US Constitution. If
you don't vote, you are not saying thank you to
those flag drape coffins. They died for the US Constitution.
I just yesterday Tom and Michelle I spent another campfire
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with a bunch of families I do. We have Sunrise
Safaris and they come from all around the world. To
hunt with me because I'm a fun guy. Plus I
got a big mouth for freedom, and there were vets
there yesterday and it's an emotional campfire, especially now when
they see that the enemy of America is the government
of the United States of America. Now that's a bold
(21:51):
ass statement, but the evidence is inescapable. So if you're
not voting, you're not neutral. You're welcoming in the evil
forces against the Constitution, against America, against freedom. And I
would hope my friends listening right now at gun Talk
would go to hunter Nation dot org. We have a
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system by which we reach out to conservative license hunters
and gun owners who don't vote. We identify them as
conservatives because we don't want the liberal ones to vote.
There's some liberals out there that think that you should
ban AARs. There's gun owners that think you should ban aurs.
And if they say that, we don't spend any more
time with them. They're a lost cause. No. Hunter Nation
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dot org has a system nationwide where we are reaching
out and we have the evidence that we are getting
non participants in this sacred experiment in self government to
vote God, family, country, law and order. I beg everybody
listening make sure that everyone in your life, family, co workers, church, school,
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the gun range, deer camp, whoever you know, you have
to convince them to vote their core values. This is
the final battle for a real America versus Joe Biden
and Barack Obama and Kamala Harris's communist agenda. That's how
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serious this is.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
There, it is, Ted dude, just talking to you, Michelle.
Thank you for doing this. Ted, thank you so much
for filling in and helping us out. It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I'm honored, Tom, Michelle gott Let's have the greatest season
of your life. But let us take back America hunter
Nation dot org.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Please, there you go.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
All right, everybody, you gotta get out, red shirt, you
got to vote. Get out and do some shooting and
invite somebody to go with you. Maybe even take up muzzlelording,
although I don't know why in the world anybody would
do such a thing.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Hi, everybody, have a great week.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
We'll catch you next time for the gun Talk after
show
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So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio, and you wanted a little bit more.
So that's why you found the gun Talk After Show
podcast where we saved all the best things that we
can't say on regular radio. Now here's Tom, Michelle and
Jim for the gun Talk after Show.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
All right, it's time for the after show. That's the
part we do after the other show because there's parts
of this that we just can't put on the air sometimes.
I got our good friend Michelle Cleveland. Hello, lady, Hello,
and we have a guest dropping in with us today
because we kicked Jim out, actually had to go to
a charity of the concert, the Deskerate Charity, And.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
So I call our good buddy, Ted Nugent. How you doing, partner.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
I'm doing so good. It's wonderful, Tom, Tom and Michelle
proud to be with you here celebrating the Second Amendment.
All things aims small miss, small buddy.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
So what part of the world do we find you
in today?
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Well, I may emit an overdose of effervescent masculinity right
now because I've got three completely worn out super hunting
dogs at my feet. I'm in the sacred swamps of
the Nugent family heaven in southern Michigan, and I'm already
having the greatest hunting season of my life. So the
politics can go ahead and get as goofy and ugly
as struts as possible, because I'm improvising, adapting and overcoming
(01:42):
and just living the ultimate spirit wild dream.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So where you are are the colors turning? Is it
starting to get pretty like fall?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Well, I got some buddies in the up and the
Peninsula there, Tom, and that's a little ahead of the game.
That's a few hundred miles north, and they're starting some
of the Shoemac and some of the sugar maples. But
here on our swamp, I own a fen. While the
other guys were buying drugs and alcohol, I was buying swamps,
and I've got sixteen hundred of just soul cleansing, miraculous
(02:16):
wildlife paradise. So I have a swamp and a marsh
and a fen and lakes and rivers and Babylon brooks
and agriculture and forests and around the edges of the
fen which is a unique wetlands. All the tamarack are
starting to show a little gold, and the dog woods
are starting to turn. The shoemac and some of the
(02:36):
swamp maples, I don't know what breed they are in
the swamp, and they come right up out of the
munk and those are already getting golden and yellow and red.
So that's what turns me on. I think you've noticed
that time. That's what turns me out every year.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I may have noticed that in the past. You're right,
So what are you hunting?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Well, we got some buddies. I got a buddy down
in Mississippi that we got a hold of James Bowlers gameberds.
They raised hundreds of thousands of quail, and we haven't
seen a quail. We have a lot of quail on
our swamp when I started out here in nineteen sixty eight,
sixty nine, but I haven't seen a wild quail since
seventy seven. The raptors and the environments, even though I
(03:15):
trapped the hell out of the coons, the skunks and
the fox and the coyote, and we haven't seen a
wild quail, but I have established a good population a
quail and pheasant, which we're pretty much destroyed here a
few years back as well. So we're hunting a quail
and pheasant my buddy's game preserved Ringneck ranch, and we
(03:35):
get chuckers and I put them in the swamp and
it's just like the old days, even though they're pen
raised birds. Because my habitat is so perfect, I hunt
them week after week after they've been released, so you
know that they've adapted and they've learned to survive. And
my dogs have the time of their lives.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
There's something about hunting with dogs that just adds to it.
And honestly, at a certain point, the dogs take over
and become the reason you hunt, don't they Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I'll tell you I love to hunt. I've been hunting
my whole life. Is my seventy sixth deer season. I
didn't not the first couple of years, but I was there.
I live to hunt. It's it's the ultimate miracle of
God's nature healing powers that I need. Because I'm so involved,
I dare to experiment in self government, and I wouldn't
(04:27):
hunt a small game if it weren't for my dogs.
And I've never been without dogs. I've never been without dogs.
I live for my much and Boyd, my German shepherd Tom,
and Michelle, my German shepherd. Coco is a duck hunting,
pheasant hunting, quail hunting, duck hunting maniac, and she's a
(04:48):
German shepherd and she's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That's new on me.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, no kidding, all right, And you probably know Ted.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Michelle is in Ohio, and Michelle, I'm wondering, you're at
the point now where people are probably either starting to
or maybe even starting to get frianted, getting ready for
hunting season.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
What are you seeing in the store these days?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh, well, you know, we've opened up to the whole
bottleneck world a couple of years ago, so of course
that is going crazy and it's taking the place of
many a shotgun user. So for most kids, it seems
like that three P fifty Legend is an extremely popular caliber,
kind of taking the place of the four to fifty
Bushmaster anymore. And of course we have something new last
(05:33):
year that was introduced called the four hundred Legend, and
that is, you know, slowly gaining this popularity too. But
yet people are gearing up as far as you know,
trying to plan forth with their ammunition allotments and whatnot.
But you know, just looking at the different guns. Rigor
has that new generation of their Ranch American Ranch Rifle America.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
That's a nice rifle.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Oh, that second generation is great. It's a beautiful stock, lightweight,
the trigger is awesome. So that's that's an exciting part there.
Archery is on. Yay, we're opening season with archery now.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
So ed Ted doesn't know much about that archery thing.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah, there's somebody am the mystical flight of the era.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I didn't know if you'd heard of Fred Bear before
or not, so not me.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Well, I think what Michelle is talking about. And I
got all my buddies, our maniac hunters. They just live
for that hands on conservation, soul cleansing lifestyle. But I
think what Michelle is witnessing at every sporting goods store
right now could be best described as a sporting goods orgy.
People go crazy this time here. It's been going on
since July, but it really accelerates right now. And Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin,
(06:50):
hilar are the top bowl hunting states in the nation.
And I'm surrounded by great dedicated boat hunting families, so
it's it's really on right now.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I don't know if I ever tell you.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
When I was at the American Hunter magazine Maney many
years ago, they sent me out to Michigan and I
did an interview with Fred Behar for his eightieth birthday
and had a really nice time to sit. Now I
go way back. I mean, you know my history. Fred
Bears who taught me to shoot a bow when I
was a kid because he and dad were buddies and
(07:23):
they were making the American Sportsman Show. So I mean
I got taught how to shoot a bow by Fred
Bhaer of all things.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
That's not too bad.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Well, Tom, you very lucky. I say that we dedicate
the rest of my time on your after hour show
just celebrating what an amazing human being Fred Behar was
on every level, entrepreneurial, god, family country christian, indefatigable in
his entrepreneurial man in the arena efforts and the sacrifice
(07:53):
and the experimentation he did. But he was just a
visionary fighting back against the first floor of anti hunting
and animal rights, corruption and lot and he was just
a brilliant, fun guy. And I've known him since I
was four or five years old, and I got to
hunt with him for over twenty five years, including his
(08:14):
last hunt in eighty seven. So I'm sure those memories
with the great Fred Behar will stay with you forever.
What a great guy.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
All right, let me ask you both this because one
of the things he told me that he did, and
this is the old news to you, Ted, is that
he said when he would practice, he would go out
with his bow in preparation for hunting season and fire
one shot and then come back in. He says, because
that's the shot, you would go out and shoot one
arrow and then go back in. And that was practice
(08:44):
for him.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Good advice. I do that before every hunt. I take
one arrow and I try to replicate the environment, whether
it's tree, standard, ground, blinder stock, and I try to
replicate my anticipated maneuvers. And I do that. Fred Bhaer
taught me that when I was about six years old,
and a lot of guys do it here to that time.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Well, you know, and you think about it. What it
does is it makes you focus.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I mean, Michelle, I'm just thinking about people that go
out and shoot and shoot and shoot and shoot, and
it's like, you know, somebody said, yeah, that's Chris Sorito says, yeah,
that's ballistic masturbation.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
You're just throwing stuff down range.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Come on, he said, Okay, that's why we can do
that on the after show, because we can't do that
on their broadcast show. But the point is doing it
one shot. You got to focus, like that's what it
is with hunting. That is your shot. You're not talking
about being able to follow up and everything else. Getting
it done with that one shot. Whether it's a boat
(09:39):
or a single shot or whatever. It's more of a
I don't know. Ed, It's a mental thing, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
I would call it martial arts. I would say that
the control of one's arrow with the hand, eye, physical, breathing,
muscle control the site picture that you have to attain,
whether you use sites or just a site picture in
a bare boat, no sights, such situation, ed Builderback. Was
Fred's guide, and he filed all the sites off of
(10:05):
his m ones, and he just pointed his m one
and shot bottles out of the air and crows flying.
Fred Bear. I can't fail to mention that, Fred Behar said,
Ed Builderback, that's that famous guide where Fred was behind
that giant boulder on Wide Bay and Alaska shot the
world record brown bear. Ed Builderback was his guide on
that and I got to hunt with Ed builder Back.
(10:27):
But Fred said he was the greatest, most natural hunter.
And what you're talking about is the most instinctual hand
eye coordination that comes from practicing three point baskets or
the Hail Mary hundred yard touchdown pass, none of which
I participated. But I had the bone arrow all my life.
And same with the shotgun. I just put high his
(10:48):
sights on my shotgun barrels, but I don't see him.
I don't see those sites. It's about form, and that's
what Fred was emphasising that it's got to be muscle memory.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, and I want to throw this back to you, Michelle,
this going out shooting one shot. It occurred to me
as I'm saying, I'm thinking, what Michelle knows that because
you are really into muscl or.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Exactly we only get one shot if you have a
follow up shot, something odd happened. But definitely, I mean
it's true of everything actually that we should be concentrating
on right just staring down that front sight concentrating on
what you're doing and gently pulling the trigger, not yanking
(11:34):
the trigger, and letting your game get scared away. But yeah,
definitely one shot. That's what you have there.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
It is, Hey, Ted, hold on a second, I gotta
take a quick break here. We're gonna sell soap. We'll
be back in just a minute with more after Show.
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Speaker 4 (12:37):
All right, we're back with you with more after Show.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
We've got Ted Nugent of all things, and Michelle with us,
and we're doing what we always do here, which is
just kind of shooting the breeze and wandering anglessly through
the woods.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Ted. You know about that.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
It's my life in between dangerous rock and roll. You know,
I did create the animal breeding soundtrack of all times
with my Gibson bird laugh. So if you're going to
play the kind of outrageous rhythm Lewis fire that me
and my band do. You better have a system by
which you can recharge your batteries and call them down.
And boy, I think God was on my side back
(13:10):
in the fifties and sixties when I was completely possessed
by a combination figured this combination Michelle and Tom. I
was possessed by Chuck Berry and Fred Bhaer talking about
talk about having all bases covered. But I really discovered
and thanks to my dad. He was a bowhunter when
I was born in forty eight. And there is a
(13:33):
historical truism to the mystical flight of the ear. It
was the origins of zen. It was considered the epitome
of martial arts, oneness with the path of your life. Now,
I couldn't have said that when I was a kid,
but I'll tell you by the time I was a
young teenager, I started to realize that as I put
(13:55):
my heart and sold into a good arrow, and that
was back in logbow and recurved is if you again,
hanging out with Fred Baer, how do you not discover this?
From the master and my dad and my brothers, we
all bow hunted, and I discovered that there is a
soul cleansing, spirit rehabilitating. I don't care whether you're just
(14:18):
a nine to five guys with your dig trenches or
your play dangerous guitared last, I don't care what your
what your life support system is. When you get a
bow and arrow in your hands and you approach it
conscientiously like anything I'm telling you, there's no Joe Biden,
there's no there's no FBI gangsters, there's no it literally
(14:41):
goes away say hallelujah.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
You know, Ted, you're talking about this and people are
going to think, oh, Ted, what's he doing there? What's
he talking about? But you know, if you study archery,
the history of it and from the Asian world where
archery becames then which was you become the arrow? You're
actually you're shooting yourself down range. I mean, and I
know it sounds goofy if you haven't read about it
(15:05):
and haven't studied that, But what you're describing is exactly
what people have been talking about for a thousand years.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
I think it's applicable to all projected. In fact, I
have a business called projectile management because my life, my
life of course around managing my projectiles. I don't care
whether it's a long gun or a handgun, whether it's
tactical combat training or just fun competition plinking. If you,
if you apply yourself, and I'm not saying anything that
(15:34):
everybody doesn't know, but a lot of times in the
whirlwind of life, we lose track of that focus that
you mentioned, Tom. If you put your heart and soul
into that procedure, that shot sequence, whether again, whether it's handgun,
shotgun rifle, all your best Olympians, all your best clay
masters will tell you this. You have to become out
(15:57):
of body. There can't be any other word other than
your physical the physics of spirituality that guides that next shot. Now,
some guys, some guys are lucky and they can just
blunder into a good shot. I mean a lot of
guys have a natural they're just real care free. I'm
not quite that relaxed. So I really have to go
(16:18):
all right, I'm not playing guitar now, I'm not setting traps,
I'm not doing an interview in crushing anti nunners. I
am about to become the path of my arrow, and
I do That's what I do.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
So let me do this, Michelle, What is it when
you're describing the people, because I mean, you've been shooting muscloaders,
your family competes with musloaders. Does all of this What
is it about shooting muscloaders that is attractive and appealing
to you?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
My goodness, I guess just it's one of the oldest
let's say firearms in air quotes here, right, but it's
one of the oldest things out there outside of the
bow and arrow. I mean that's where we started with
for the modern day firearms. And so learning about and
holding and knowing the history that could possibly be behind
(17:14):
the rifle that you know that we're shooting is pretty incredible.
So it just is there's something about the ability to
have to shoot one time and make that count. And
I know, like with some of the competition we do,
it's all about speed. Quite ironically not, but you know
(17:35):
it is it is that one shot. It's the smell
of the sulfur afterwards.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
One of our favorite scenes ever and you can probably
picture this if you have ever seen the movie The
Last of the Mohicans where he there's the elk running
through the woods. He's running through the woods and then
there is there. There's the shot, there's the smoke, and
then there's the prayer, the thank you for the animal.
(18:02):
And I think we all feel that way, or at
least we should all feel that way, very thankful for
the bounty that's presented. You're able to take it home
and feed your family. And you got it with one
of the oldest elements out there, the muzzleloader or the
bow and arrow. It's awesome.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Chan, I knew you'd fee all at home here.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Well, yeah, I use the term. I don't know where
I picked this stuff up because I didn't go to college.
I was too busy learning stuff. So my radar that
I attribute to my bow hunting forced higher level of
awareness and the discipline of my upbringing and the discipline
of my life. There is a higher level of awareness
(18:43):
that we should all aspire to and what Michelle is
talking about. I wrote a piece called Prayer for the
Wild Things, which isn't just words and not just getting
unbended knee, but how we conduct ourselves. I've picked up
the term somewhere along the lines of spirituality. We're here
in physical form, but like the Native Americans have taught me,
(19:06):
in many many encounters and events that we've shared they've
invited me to there is a physics of spiritual ardor
I think we can reference it to Butler, Pennsylvania, when
God turned Donald Trump's head. I really believe that. I
believe that the pain and suffering that we will all
(19:27):
endure in life can be mitigated and we can rise
above that if we look beyond the physical into the
spiritual world. And I think I'm talking to the people
on gun Talk that understand that. Because when you talk
about God's work, which you do, Tom and Michelle, what
we all do when we promote the Second Amendment, defend
(19:49):
the Second Amendment, Celebrate the Second Amendment. If promoting and
encouraging and education people, educating people to defend their precious
gift of life isn't God's work, what would be?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
All right?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I want to do this and this stall been terrific ted.
I'm going to give you the floor. We are mere weeks,
mere days the way for the election. Some places they're
already voting right now. You're talking to America's gun owners,
of America's outdoor people, some of whom are not registered
to vote, some of whom don't vote. You have the floor.
(20:26):
You got to explain it to him. Go for it.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
It's pretty simple. I'll take you right back to Vietnam
vets and a survivor of the Baton Deathmarch that invited me.
He wanted to meet me. I don't know what the
do you need any more confidence building than people who
sacrificed and dragged their buddies off the battlefield that seek
(20:49):
to spend time with a guitar player. And they all
expressed to me that they've listened. They've listened to my
interviews and they've listened. They've listened to my music and
my rants on stage in my different pots cast and
I always promote freedom, particularly epitomized by the Second Amendment.
I've saluted so many flag drape coffins and done so
(21:09):
many benefits, so many families who have lost a loved
one who went to battle for that US Constitution. If
you don't vote, you are not saying thank you to
those flag drape coffins. They died for the US Constitution.
I just yesterday Tom and Michelle I spent another campfire
(21:30):
with a bunch of families I do. We have Sunrise
Safaris and they come from all around the world. To
hunt with me because I'm a fun guy. Plus I
got a big mouth for freedom, and there were vets
there yesterday and it's an emotional campfire, especially now when
they see that the enemy of America is the government
of the United States of America. Now that's a bold
(21:51):
ass statement, but the evidence is inescapable. So if you're
not voting, you're not neutral. You're welcoming in the evil
forces against the Constitution, against America, against freedom. And I
would hope my friends listening right now at gun Talk
would go to hunter Nation dot org. We have a
(22:14):
system by which we reach out to conservative license hunters
and gun owners who don't vote. We identify them as
conservatives because we don't want the liberal ones to vote.
There's some liberals out there that think that you should
ban AARs. There's gun owners that think you should ban aurs.
And if they say that, we don't spend any more
time with them. They're a lost cause. No. Hunter Nation
(22:37):
dot org has a system nationwide where we are reaching
out and we have the evidence that we are getting
non participants in this sacred experiment in self government to
vote God, family, country, law and order. I beg everybody
listening make sure that everyone in your life, family, co workers, church, school,
(22:58):
the gun range, deer camp, whoever you know, you have
to convince them to vote their core values. This is
the final battle for a real America versus Joe Biden
and Barack Obama and Kamala Harris's communist agenda. That's how
(23:19):
serious this is.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
There, it is, Ted dude, just talking to you, Michelle.
Thank you for doing this. Ted, thank you so much
for filling in and helping us out. It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I'm honored, Tom, Michelle gott Let's have the greatest season
of your life. But let us take back America hunter
Nation dot org.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Please, there you go.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
All right, everybody, you gotta get out, red shirt, you
got to vote. Get out and do some shooting and
invite somebody to go with you. Maybe even take up muzzlelording,
although I don't know why in the world anybody would
do such a thing.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Hi, everybody, have a great week.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
We'll catch you next time for the gun Talk after
show
Speaker 1 (24:00):
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