December 14, 2025 • 30 mins
In This Hour:
-- Everyone needs a pocket knife. At least, that's the thinking behind Gun Talk's first round of gifts.
-- After a caller said he has a concealed carry badge, the After Show crew weighs in on that controversial option.
-- Michelle suggests dependable last-minute gifts available at the local gun store.
Gun Talk 12.14.15 After Show
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-- Everyone needs a pocket knife. At least, that's the thinking behind Gun Talk's first round of gifts.
-- After a caller said he has a concealed carry badge, the After Show crew weighs in on that controversial option.
-- Michelle suggests dependable last-minute gifts available at the local gun store.
Gun Talk 12.14.15 After Show
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little bit more.
So that's why you found the gun Talk After Show
podcast where we saved all the best things that we.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Can't say on regular radio. Now here's Tom, Michelle and
Jim for the gun Talk after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
After show time wead is the great time with Jim
Kensey and Michelle Cleland. My Christmas buddies.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Say, little elves, We are little elves.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
There you go. Now, are you a good help.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
For a bad out?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Of course, a good elf geez.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Got a balance to everybody else out around here?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Do you have an helf costume? That's the question. No,
I hear I hear doorbells going off. There's Tom coming in. Cool,
He's fine, he'll be coming in. Is that your early
warning system? Jim?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It is?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
I wanted to know why the bell wasn't off? I
right have to have to talk with that young man.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
She's talking about himself. Why didn't he turn off the
warning bell that goes off from people driving the driveway?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well, we all have duty assignments, Oh, I sage.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Was this one of Jim's duty assignments?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
No, it might have been.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Tom's kind of hard to dock his pay if I
don't pay him.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Oh there's that too.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
He doesn't get paid either.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
No, he gets paid weekly, very.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Very weekly. That's right, not not strongly. Okay, I get it.
Oh my gosh, So does Santa arrive?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
We're still looking. We're still waiting on the results here.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
All right, we'll find out later, all right, But you
did get something already.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, we got these cool pocket These are cool.
Was there name for these specifically?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, Fred and Ethel.
Speaker 7 (02:04):
I mean it's a special type that I'm not aware of.
Like a thumb open they're teeny beauty. Yeah, they're little
bitty thumb openers. There's like a one and a half
one of the recorders, the little teeny thing.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
It's good. I like those little bitty folders because they're
just as useful as all get out for opening boxes
and everything else. But in a pinch they're not bad.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
For self defense because of the size.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Just because you got to blame because you got something
that you might not have taken a bigger knife with
you and now you got that with you. And the
other thing is they're not horribly expensive.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
It's cool.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And if you go somewhere where it gets confiscated, fine, good,
I'll go get another one. Sounds cool anyway. That's that's
one of the Christmas presents.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Best I can get this confiscated.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
There you go. So all right, here's your Steve Trani
tip for the day, mister knife guy, right yep. And
when I took this class from him, which did not
make me a knife fighter, because it just scares a
snot out of me to see what those guys do.
But if you hold that, if you hold any knife
in the kind of not a lunging stabbing, but like
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an over thehead stabbing motion where you've got the handle
in your hand and the blades stick it out, if
you're writing in it out the right side, and if
you wanted to hit somebody or cut them with it.
The thing I remember him saying is from his training
in the Philippines, in the phrase with skin to skin,
I said, Okay, what's that means? Says, don't try to
him with the blade? You want to like, if you're
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are to hit somebody in the night and the neck,
you literally punch them. So you put the skin of
your fist against the skin of their neck and start
way back at the jaw line, and you want to
work it all the way around to the other jaw line.
But you're trying to hit them with your skin of
your fist, not hit them with the blade, because that
way the blade's going to go deeper. So the skin
(03:58):
to skin. If in terms of thinking and gym with
your martial arts training, you're thinking, okay, I get that
is basically you punch them.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, so Christmas is going to be great.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
So far.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
It makes total sense because you're if you only have
that little The way I was taught told edge weapons
was the other way, where you're you're holding with so
the top the butt end of the knife is where
your thumb and index finger are in a fist, and
the blade sticks out below your baby finger in the
side of your side of your hand. That way you
swing at something. If you happen to miss, you you
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know you punch them great. And the same kind of thing.
I guess it's just looking at a different way. You
throw a punch. The second half of that punch is
the knife slash. If you miss with the punch and
you missed with the knife, you've got a great backhand shot.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, And that's kind of where I'm trying to hold
it that same way. You just basically have to punch
him right in the neck. But you want to instead
of trying to think in terms of hitting them with
the blade, you hit them with your fist and slide
it around the.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Correct and you're talking.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
You're talking about the blades sticking out on the bottom
of your hand, not out by your thumb and forefect.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
The exactly the blades stick it out by your four
year old pinky figure.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
In that case, I could have answered it, yes, Tom erased
this last minutes you said yes, But no.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Okay, why don't you guys try it on each other now?
Because if you try that on her, she's going to
shoot you.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Yeah, I'm gonna lose.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
This is gonna be real simple here.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I don't bring gun to a knife fight. That's what
they say came.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Out of a martial arts I can't get near I
think It's the other way around, isn't it. Don't bring
a knife to a gunfight.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Oh yeah, that was my bad.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Don't fight.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
See, I'm just no good at this.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Second. Maybe all attacker, now.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
That's see how that works out. I know where I'm
putting my money on this best me.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I'm just I'm just so taken back by listening to
you guys, like.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
A couple of science out of this vicious act, right, I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Like, what a good couple of guys.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I med, Well, you know where it is. I never
watched when it originally came out, and we just finished
watching the whole series of Game of Thrones where everybody
gets their throats cut. Yeah, it's like, holy cow, there
wears more blood flying than even Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Well yeah, watching the Viking movie you'll have the same thing.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Well, yes, Viking movies exactly right, man. I think the
movie makers have figured out the whole spurting of blood things.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I think so, and it's amazing regardless, however, many times
I slam their swords into the dirt.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
They're always so sharp.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I just don't have to try to cut paper.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah that's right. So have you checked out those little
knives sharp?
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yeah. Cool. Okay, well, I'm surprised you haven't cut yourself
with it yet.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
I well, you know what, let's we can discuss that
off air. We are off air, we discussed that off air,
off air.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Off off.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Yeah, okay, sure fine, Mike Turner will reach out to you.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, that's fine, on it. It's fine.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Talk about spurting. Funny you should mention about spurting. But
so I have.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
I don't hate to get that blood all over my
concealed carry badge. You know, I understand where he's coming from.
Because if you don't say I'm a cop, that's what
you just hold it up and the whole street your gun.
Hopefully you may give you two segments of a cop. Look
at the you're not a cop. I didn't say I
was a cop. I'm just sureing here's what happened. I'm
the good guy, I understand. I'm not saying would participant.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, exactly, you're a cop.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
You're coming into his example mall shooting, running into a mall,
and there's there's been.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
A shooting good guy from bad guy.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Yeah, yeah, and the guy's got a badge. If it's
just to give you that pause. Okay, maybe he's one.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Of us, unless the bad guy also has one, but.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
He's beyond his back holding ground.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Most likely he doesn't have.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I had to pocket and.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
See I'm thinking I'm gonna get a bad to make
made up it says ice cream truck driver never pretended
to be a cop, you know, it's like, just don't.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Say your cop.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I get both sides.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
But yeah, but you know what, even if it was
a stall tactic long enough for them to rest you
for I mean, I think they're going to probably focus
more on the body than they would, you know, following
through at the well.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Yeah, there's no good thing that comes out of any
of this because it's here in the middle of a mess.
So I get what he's saying is that, Look, if
I can just get the slightest hesitation so I don't
get shot, that's a good thing. I would you know,
I'd rather not be standing there with a gun, right Frankly, Uh,
you know, if I do have to imagine a mall shooting,
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first of all, don't put your gun. Start moving through
the mall, moving towards the action, because now you are
the guy with the gun. So if you need you know,
feel like you going to move toward the action. You
could have your hand on your gun concealed, but move, move, move,
move without pulling it out, and then last minute you
(09:08):
pull it out and shoot the murderer and then get
it back into your holster as soon as you realistically
can tactically can, because you want to reduce the number
of seconds that you were the guy standing there with
a gun.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yeah, I wish there was a real clear answer on this.
I don't know of one, honestly.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
No, because if you can flee, you're supposed to flee.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, And some people, some people thought I was gonna
say yeah, yep. See, there's so many aspects of.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
This just a rash. It's not really fleasing.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's kind of a okay, never mind, thank you, let's
rewind this a little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Hi, Welcome, It's the after show.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
With Tom and Michelle.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I can't imagine what happened all of a sudden, this
this studio got a lot room here and saying her yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
But there's so many scenarios.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I mean, you can play this out so many times
and so many different ways in the head. But the
good thing is is that we actually are doing that
at the same time talking about all the different ins
and outs of it.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
You know, if you make a good point, just talking
about it forced you to think about, Okay, what if this?
What if that? What would I do? And helps you
come up with a plant.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Oh but that's uncomfortable. Yeah, I'd rather just wait till
I'm in a crisis situation and freeze.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Kind of like me listening to you guys use a knife. Uncomfortable, comfortable.
I have to walk past him to get out the
door of the studio.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Watch out for the Sicilian shepherd.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, that's right. You decided it's not a German cheper,
but you have Yeah, yeah, because he likes pizza.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
She likes spaghetti, She likes anything with tomato sauce. Yeah,
I won't eat meat or bacon. So if you're gonna
rob the joint, you know, seafood.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And protective ham or something, that's right. Yeah, it's like
garlic to the vampire, right, yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Does she like extra cheese or just all right?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I mean, look, are you not embarrassed to have a
dog that doesn't like meat?
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Well, like you said, she's so vegan, she's almost a cat.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah, she's kind of a cat. Likes birds. Kind of.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yeah, she's she's totally distressed, but she's a good girl, understandable.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Where she lives.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
They mimic their environment, so I don't expect her to
be sane by any means.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Not.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
When Jim's over here scratched himself, so his fleece right well.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Inside your feet in the arena, methjows. So there you go.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Didn't buy that motor for nothing? There you go.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Okay, I think we should take a break and check
out and maybe never come back.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
I don't know, we should just start the whole thing
over very subtle.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I'm done with you people.
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Speaker 6 (13:00):
Okay, we have and we have Tom in return. We
have dual Tom's again.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Oh okay, so Tom came back in rings the doorbell
and the alarm is that we came in. That's just good.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
M h.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
We heard the street alarm by the way, So yeah,
explain that every we all have responsibilities we take care
of and we cover for each other like crazy. But
we have our list of stuff and one of them
is the driveway indicator that somebody dropped the ball on.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Don't know who that might be. I don't know. Let's
check the responsibility list.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
So how does your driveway indicator work?
Speaker 6 (13:35):
When somebody pulls in the driveway, it tells us and
goes bing bing bing.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Early warning system because you've got a fairly long driveway, right.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
We do, we do, and I have that's early warning.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
And then we have other systems in place as well
as the canine.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I like the Claymore minds. I think that was a
good touch.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Yeah, well, if they can get past the centuries, I
think they got a chance.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
There you go, okay, cool, all right? And I do say, Jepher,
I do like the idea of having an early warning system. Now, well,
you know that there's someone who has driven up your driveway.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Yeah, and we get some falses here, you know, somebody
pulling just to turn around, stuff.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
But sure, and it's not like, oh my god, the
driveway grab their.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
It's like, okay, well something something's in the driveway, and
sometimes it's deer.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I's going to say, it could be a deer.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
It is deer.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, read before.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
That's why you have an RPG for deer like it kill.
Let me cook them at the same time.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Well, now we know people that make those, so we're good.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Okay, we do.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
I thought, then we have somebody that was getting into military.
We were discussing, all yeah, oh yeah, that's right, we do.
We have somebody we know who makes us for the government. Correct, Okay,
I said, thinking, man, that'd be cool if you can
have that at your local store, you know, seventy three.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I would like a case of those, a couple of
you know, Claymores and.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, okay, another creed.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I get confused on this stuff.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
I can understand that if you throw a Claymore at
thirty three hundred feet per second, you got a hell
of an arm.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, you'd be in the Olympics with the discus thing,
you know, yeah, or in the hospital dislocated whatever.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Right, yes, right, Claymars are the ground ones, right, Claymore
is Yes, that's the tank or anti personnelity.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
It's anti personality. It's got like it's got like a
couple of hundred little ball bearings in it with seapour
behind it, and when it goes off, it sprays an area.
It's so uh it's an anti personnel area clearing thing.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Gotcha? Okay?
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Yeah, the things I learned on gun Talk. What did
you discuss today, honey? Claimer, minds and knives.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And really disgusting, disgusting every plane.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
We are a constant source of useless than from it's
what we do here.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
So you know, we haven't talked about which we almost
always talk about two weeks before Christmas. Christmas list, Yeah,
your Christmas the Michelle Cleveland Christmas List.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
The spot the things that I would recommend people to
have on.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
The or things that you would like, but we'd like
to hear.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
The obvious thing right now is taking advantage of our
new Suppressor Act that's coming through so we don't have
to pay the tax stamp on it, right right, So
getting yourself in line, getting your you know, books out
and seeing which one fits best, what you want to.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Get the calibers. But you can always give a gift certificate.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
We also okay retail, that makes sense. You could go
to the store, you could buy it now, don't put
your paperwork in until after the first of the year,
and then you have the tax.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Right, I mean you can't pick up yeah, can't tie it.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Up, you can't yeah, I mean you can't pick it
up from the store, but you purchase it that they
hold it until the paperwork's done. But you wait three
weeks or deliver your paperwork in after January one, and
now there's no tax.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
And perhaps you have a firearm that needs to be threaded,
and this.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Would be a good time to get that done.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
And I suggest the barrels where you should probably thread
because yes, mostly the grip of the match it just
doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
So, I mean, those are those are the big ones.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I mean, obviously there's always the fallbacks, right, there's the
speedloaders and magazine loaders and extra ammunition and electric ear
muffs and good eye wear and an ice.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Cream bag.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
In red dots.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Red dots, Yeah, man, everybody's got red dots, and there
are more and more of them, and.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Started real cheap up to real crazy expensive.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well and good quality cleaning equipment. I stand by that
firmly good quality cleaning equipment, one piece rods if they
have a rifle or if they're getting into a rifle,
just so it's a lot nicer and easier for.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Cleaning the gun.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But also one of the things like, if you have
a year to year membership to the NRA or to
any other rights associations, bump them up, buy them a
three year or five year or if you can, a
life membership, whatever it might be. And it can be
your local state association. It doesn't have to be anything
crazy crazy.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
So exactly, and often the state group is like twenty
five bucks or stuffs, not.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Very much, right, And if they've not been a member,
sign them up to be a member. I mean, I
don't think anybody's ever going to get mad about becoming
a member of an association and getting informed, right.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
You wouldn't mix up with it. Again, people are weird,
So there's more.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
What about it if you didn't free your friends that
are anti gun, if you have any.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah, you know, I've heard of people who've actually done that.
They bought anti gun friends and then are a membership.
It really doesn't. All it does is just marks you
as a jerk.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, I know, well, and now they don't even get
the magazine thrown at them.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
So that's true.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
What's the point, right, You're not even going to get
a magazine.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
I've held all my old copies. You I'll deliver myself, dammit.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
So there's there's lots of things that you can that
you can purchase. I mean, going into a good gun
store and taking some time and walking around, you'll find something.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Training, Right, buy a bunch of bags of phone were
plugs and just have those available. I mean just nobody
would not want those. I mean I can probably fill
a bag of a hunter just by going through my car, right,
finding the ones that are under seats and everywhere.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
On the dryer yesterday was a dryer.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yesterday had just the vest on and I reached into
the pocket and I was like, oh, yeah it was one,
not two.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I have one phone protection. But yeah, I only want
the left ear protected.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
The one furthest from the chamber.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, well, but you know what you can do.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
But you know what's perfect. Now you can take that
new sharp knife, cut that intwo and make two plugs.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Out of Yes, there you go, and a little unknown
fact for people, potentially they do if you have a.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Youth or a female in your life.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
They actually make plugs that are smaller than the common
ear plus yes, so that is.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
A good purchase.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
And if you don't have those, you can cut a
pham plug lengthwise with your sharp little pocket knife and
now that will work for kids. Okay, they can roll
those up and make those work for their little bitt
ear canals. Yep.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So you know, having the real se go ahead.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Or you can get give a sharp knife to a kid, Tom,
you just give them guns.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Not nice, use a pencil to temple them in. But
I'm glad I didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Look, it's really new in you really working your way
off with a good list, you know that, right?
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Yeah, I'm getting.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Cold gosh, oh my.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So there's also all kinds of different I guess platforms
that you can get for training, so you can do
at home training of drawing and shooting and tracking what
needs to change.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And what you can do better.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And you can get different platforms you know that are
lasers and stuff like that. But you can spend you know,
probably a good one hundred and fifty dollars up there,
so that's.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
All you have.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You ever used the Manta system yep, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh, I think it's great. Okay, yeah, I think it's great.
So it definitely shows you all your movements. So if
you want to work on time and get you a
lot of trigger time, So snapcaps it's always a good one.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yes, that's a good.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
TV screens to protect your TV.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, the house, you know, a good holster.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
But that's hard because that's a personal choice.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
It is, so you know, it's good.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Just the gift certificate is the way to go there.
It's like buying somebody clothes. Here's a gift certificate. Just
go get what you want.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Well, I kind of feel the same way with the
with the firearm. You know, unless you have been out
shopping for something and no specifically what they want other
than that, let them choose their gun, take them back,
you know, wrap up a gift card in a big
old box so they are thrown off or whatever you
need to do, but take them back and let them
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take out the firearm.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Well, that guy we had today you called, went into
the stories trying one gun, you know, he said, well,
I'm looking for a nineteen eleven with a red dot site.
And then I'm thinking, yeah, okay, and then the hand
name this kimber, and it was just like, you know,
the heavens parted into angels saying.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
And he's like, oh my god, I love.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
The way this thing feels. Well, duh, there it is.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
All he needed was for you to say yes exactly.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
He had already said yes. He just wanted the validation.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Well you know what that was Steve in Texas. So
now he can tell his wife.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
So you know, I was kind of on the fence,
but Gresham basically talked me into it.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
It's his fault.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I didn't really want it anyway.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
It's just a kimber.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's funny though, because that's the second week in a
row that people have called in on the nineteen eleven.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Nines, the twenty elevens, the twenty elevens.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Well there's the twenty elevens, which is double stack, and
then you've got single stacked nineteen eleven and nine membaters,
which you couldn't get in ten rounds in a mag
on those with fleshbit mans eggs, so eleven rounds and
the pistol, which is.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Not bad, you know, especially smaller hand dudes, because a
lot of everything guys have bigger hands. Well maybe generally speaking,
but that's not always the case, not.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Always, And a single stack nineteen eleven is a good gun.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I'm kind of interested to see when these new blocks
come out what that pump swall is like.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Right, that's one of the things that they've changed. And I'm.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Well, some of them are just way too big already
for my hand size, and so I'm just wondering if
they're going to hopefully they don't push themselves out a
little bit more, because you know, the nineteen for me,
it's like, okay, pinky grip perfect, you know, add that
little extra finger placement, but getting on a little bit
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fatter might be a problem.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
So have you I'm sure you have.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
You've shot a block forty eight the single stack?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Oh yeah, I love I love the clothes.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Yeah, I like those a lot.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Three forty two, forty eight.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
All of those are left alone as far as I understand, correct,
I believe that's correct. Yes, just the nineteen seventeen, twenty
two YadA, YadA.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah. For those who don't know, I mean, if you
everybody thinks that the glocks being these big bulky things,
but they make a whole line of single stack pistols,
and they are trim and handy and shoot great.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, I agree with everything of that. They're they're awesome.
It's a good platform.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I've got a forty eight. I don't think I have
a forty three, and not only does it feel good,
but the trigger on it's very good. So it's like, okay,
there's nothing to complain about here. I mean, look, if
you've got ten rounds of nine, you know, were ten
plus one. If you've got ten of the mag and
one of the gun and two more mags of ten rounds,
(25:50):
that's probably more than you're gonna ever need. I mean,
like it would have to be a really terrible day.
All right.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
I got to get on brown House and cancel this
two hundred round drum mag I was buying for.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
No, you don't, no, no, there's no canceling anything. Nothing
is counselable.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Oh dear you, that's sacrilege, that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But maybe you could reduce the number of ammunition pieces
that you just put in your cards.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I actually had a thing happen and we talked about this.
I went on the side that I got this email
from the name brand company that makes ammo and bullets
and things, and they had like a stupid great deal
on some two sixty women to Ammo. I mean it
was it was thirty dollars or a box of loaded Ammo. Wow,
(26:38):
I'm thinking, I mean, brass is a buck twenty, So going, okay,
I get loaded Ammo for that. And by the time
I click on it and looked at it, by the
time I clicked on it to buy it, there was
only one box left.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Oh yeah, I mean people were snatching it up just
as fast as they could click on it and putting
it in your cart does not reserve it.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
For it, No, it does not, as I learned.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Well, you know, so, I mean in everybody, you think, okay,
who's buying Ammo for a two sixty remedy?
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Evidently all of us. Probably a bunch that got shut down.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, I'm just thinking, like, too sixty.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Was that just sitting somewhere that they happened to stumble
across that in a back room?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, no, kidd, I mean I know they're loading it.
There's not a huge demand for but it is the
total ballistic equivalent of a six five creed more.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well, you are in the perfect placement in the country
right to be able to use something like that, So
that western region right there for hunting applications.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
It's honestly, it would be a great white tail round.
There's not a lot of recoil, and it's a really
good three hundred three hundred and fifty yard round. It
doesn't have the super long range ability of the six
five creed Moore because it doesn't have the faster spin
rate twist, right, But I mean it's a it's a
(28:04):
good honestly, probably three to four hundred yards and that's
as far as I'm going to shoot. To me, four
hundred yards is a long shot. I mean on a
twitter now. On steel, yeah, let's go well right, worrying
them out there as far as you want to go.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
It's not moving unless you hit it.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yeah, and if if I miss, it's not a big deal.
They're still going to be right there. It's not running away.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Rasier to feel dressed too, waysier.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, yeah, but pack of them out stuff.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
They're heavy, it's all dead weight.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
If you've ever carried steel targets around the big steel
holy cow, that stuff's heavy.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
You see people set up at the gun shows with
all their different steel targets that they've made and you
know that are for sale.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Dolly, like, can you hold that for me until I'm done?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah? Really? Not carrying that around? I can tell you that.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You see bunnies, you know, joint joint carrying it out. Yeah,
you're like, yeah, find a friend. If you didn't bring one.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Do exactly bring a dolly. There you go, there it is.
Well you guys, be safe with your canives be careful?
And uh there's as we like to say, but wait,
there's more sot Next week we will pick this story
up and figure out what else.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
All right, Well, thank you as always for your generosity.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Well, of course, of course it's not much there, but
here it's kind of fun. It's silly. So there you go.
In the meantime, everybody else, you know, it may be
too late to order online, and that's a good thing
for your local store. Go to your local store and.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Buy stuff, right amen.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Cruise down the aisles and go, wow, look at that.
I never even knew that was a thing.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
I could shoplift one of those, and I could snag.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I don't have to go online and buy this, I
can get it at my store.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's so old school.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, so old school.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
It is. This old school is like a drive to
a store.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
The Lord, you pick it up and smell it and
you can feel it and yeah, it's just right.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
And leave your phone in your pocket and not scroll continuously. Yeah,
there will be aware the real world is out there. Wow, amazing.
I know. Maybe we could make it go away. This
is the word you have to start saying, make the
world go away. Take care, guys. We'll do it next week,
right before Christmas.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little bit more.
So that's why you found the gun Talk After Show
podcast where we saved all the best things that we.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Can't say on regular radio. Now here's Tom, Michelle and
Jim for the gun Talk after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
After show time wead is the great time with Jim
Kensey and Michelle Cleland. My Christmas buddies.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Say, little elves, We are little elves.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
There you go. Now, are you a good help.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
For a bad out?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Of course, a good elf geez.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Got a balance to everybody else out around here?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Do you have an helf costume? That's the question. No,
I hear I hear doorbells going off. There's Tom coming in. Cool,
He's fine, he'll be coming in. Is that your early
warning system? Jim?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It is?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
I wanted to know why the bell wasn't off? I
right have to have to talk with that young man.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
She's talking about himself. Why didn't he turn off the
warning bell that goes off from people driving the driveway?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well, we all have duty assignments, Oh, I sage.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Was this one of Jim's duty assignments?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
No, it might have been.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Tom's kind of hard to dock his pay if I
don't pay him.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Oh there's that too.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
He doesn't get paid either.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
No, he gets paid weekly, very.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Very weekly. That's right, not not strongly. Okay, I get it.
Oh my gosh, So does Santa arrive?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
We're still looking. We're still waiting on the results here.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
All right, we'll find out later, all right, But you
did get something already.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, we got these cool pocket These are cool.
Was there name for these specifically?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, Fred and Ethel.
Speaker 7 (02:04):
I mean it's a special type that I'm not aware of.
Like a thumb open they're teeny beauty. Yeah, they're little
bitty thumb openers. There's like a one and a half
one of the recorders, the little teeny thing.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
It's good. I like those little bitty folders because they're
just as useful as all get out for opening boxes
and everything else. But in a pinch they're not bad.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
For self defense because of the size.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Just because you got to blame because you got something
that you might not have taken a bigger knife with
you and now you got that with you. And the
other thing is they're not horribly expensive.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
It's cool.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And if you go somewhere where it gets confiscated, fine, good,
I'll go get another one. Sounds cool anyway. That's that's
one of the Christmas presents.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Best I can get this confiscated.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
There you go. So all right, here's your Steve Trani
tip for the day, mister knife guy, right yep. And
when I took this class from him, which did not
make me a knife fighter, because it just scares a
snot out of me to see what those guys do.
But if you hold that, if you hold any knife
in the kind of not a lunging stabbing, but like
(03:13):
an over thehead stabbing motion where you've got the handle
in your hand and the blades stick it out, if
you're writing in it out the right side, and if
you wanted to hit somebody or cut them with it.
The thing I remember him saying is from his training
in the Philippines, in the phrase with skin to skin,
I said, Okay, what's that means? Says, don't try to
him with the blade? You want to like, if you're
(03:35):
are to hit somebody in the night and the neck,
you literally punch them. So you put the skin of
your fist against the skin of their neck and start
way back at the jaw line, and you want to
work it all the way around to the other jaw line.
But you're trying to hit them with your skin of
your fist, not hit them with the blade, because that
way the blade's going to go deeper. So the skin
(03:58):
to skin. If in terms of thinking and gym with
your martial arts training, you're thinking, okay, I get that
is basically you punch them.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, so Christmas is going to be great.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
So far.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
It makes total sense because you're if you only have
that little The way I was taught told edge weapons
was the other way, where you're you're holding with so
the top the butt end of the knife is where
your thumb and index finger are in a fist, and
the blade sticks out below your baby finger in the
side of your side of your hand. That way you
swing at something. If you happen to miss, you you
(04:30):
know you punch them great. And the same kind of thing.
I guess it's just looking at a different way. You
throw a punch. The second half of that punch is
the knife slash. If you miss with the punch and
you missed with the knife, you've got a great backhand shot.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, And that's kind of where I'm trying to hold
it that same way. You just basically have to punch
him right in the neck. But you want to instead
of trying to think in terms of hitting them with
the blade, you hit them with your fist and slide
it around the.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Correct and you're talking.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
You're talking about the blades sticking out on the bottom
of your hand, not out by your thumb and forefect.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
The exactly the blades stick it out by your four
year old pinky figure.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
In that case, I could have answered it, yes, Tom erased
this last minutes you said yes, But no.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Okay, why don't you guys try it on each other now?
Because if you try that on her, she's going to
shoot you.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Yeah, I'm gonna lose.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
This is gonna be real simple here.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I don't bring gun to a knife fight. That's what
they say came.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Out of a martial arts I can't get near I
think It's the other way around, isn't it. Don't bring
a knife to a gunfight.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Oh yeah, that was my bad.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Don't fight.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
See, I'm just no good at this.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Second. Maybe all attacker, now.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
That's see how that works out. I know where I'm
putting my money on this best me.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I'm just I'm just so taken back by listening to
you guys, like.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
A couple of science out of this vicious act, right, I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Like, what a good couple of guys.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I med, Well, you know where it is. I never
watched when it originally came out, and we just finished
watching the whole series of Game of Thrones where everybody
gets their throats cut. Yeah, it's like, holy cow, there
wears more blood flying than even Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Well yeah, watching the Viking movie you'll have the same thing.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Well, yes, Viking movies exactly right, man. I think the
movie makers have figured out the whole spurting of blood things.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I think so, and it's amazing regardless, however, many times
I slam their swords into the dirt.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
They're always so sharp.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I just don't have to try to cut paper.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah that's right. So have you checked out those little
knives sharp?
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yeah. Cool. Okay, well, I'm surprised you haven't cut yourself
with it yet.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
I well, you know what, let's we can discuss that
off air. We are off air, we discussed that off air,
off air.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Off off.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Yeah, okay, sure fine, Mike Turner will reach out to you.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, that's fine, on it. It's fine.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Talk about spurting. Funny you should mention about spurting. But
so I have.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
I don't hate to get that blood all over my
concealed carry badge. You know, I understand where he's coming from.
Because if you don't say I'm a cop, that's what
you just hold it up and the whole street your gun.
Hopefully you may give you two segments of a cop. Look
at the you're not a cop. I didn't say I
was a cop. I'm just sureing here's what happened. I'm
the good guy, I understand. I'm not saying would participant.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, exactly, you're a cop.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
You're coming into his example mall shooting, running into a mall,
and there's there's been.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
A shooting good guy from bad guy.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Yeah, yeah, and the guy's got a badge. If it's
just to give you that pause. Okay, maybe he's one.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Of us, unless the bad guy also has one, but.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
He's beyond his back holding ground.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Most likely he doesn't have.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I had to pocket and.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
See I'm thinking I'm gonna get a bad to make
made up it says ice cream truck driver never pretended
to be a cop, you know, it's like, just don't.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Say your cop.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I get both sides.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
But yeah, but you know what, even if it was
a stall tactic long enough for them to rest you
for I mean, I think they're going to probably focus
more on the body than they would, you know, following
through at the well.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Yeah, there's no good thing that comes out of any
of this because it's here in the middle of a mess.
So I get what he's saying is that, Look, if
I can just get the slightest hesitation so I don't
get shot, that's a good thing. I would you know,
I'd rather not be standing there with a gun, right Frankly, Uh,
you know, if I do have to imagine a mall shooting,
(08:47):
first of all, don't put your gun. Start moving through
the mall, moving towards the action, because now you are
the guy with the gun. So if you need you know,
feel like you going to move toward the action. You
could have your hand on your gun concealed, but move, move, move,
move without pulling it out, and then last minute you
(09:08):
pull it out and shoot the murderer and then get
it back into your holster as soon as you realistically
can tactically can, because you want to reduce the number
of seconds that you were the guy standing there with
a gun.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yeah, I wish there was a real clear answer on this.
I don't know of one, honestly.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
No, because if you can flee, you're supposed to flee.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, And some people, some people thought I was gonna
say yeah, yep. See, there's so many aspects of.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
This just a rash. It's not really fleasing.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's kind of a okay, never mind, thank you, let's
rewind this a little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Hi, Welcome, It's the after show.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
With Tom and Michelle.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I can't imagine what happened all of a sudden, this
this studio got a lot room here and saying her yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
But there's so many scenarios.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I mean, you can play this out so many times
and so many different ways in the head. But the
good thing is is that we actually are doing that
at the same time talking about all the different ins
and outs of it.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
You know, if you make a good point, just talking
about it forced you to think about, Okay, what if this?
What if that? What would I do? And helps you
come up with a plant.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Oh but that's uncomfortable. Yeah, I'd rather just wait till
I'm in a crisis situation and freeze.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Kind of like me listening to you guys use a knife. Uncomfortable, comfortable.
I have to walk past him to get out the
door of the studio.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Watch out for the Sicilian shepherd.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, that's right. You decided it's not a German cheper,
but you have Yeah, yeah, because he likes pizza.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
She likes spaghetti, She likes anything with tomato sauce. Yeah,
I won't eat meat or bacon. So if you're gonna
rob the joint, you know, seafood.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And protective ham or something, that's right. Yeah, it's like
garlic to the vampire, right, yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Does she like extra cheese or just all right?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I mean, look, are you not embarrassed to have a
dog that doesn't like meat?
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Well, like you said, she's so vegan, she's almost a cat.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah, she's kind of a cat. Likes birds. Kind of.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yeah, she's she's totally distressed, but she's a good girl, understandable.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Where she lives.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
They mimic their environment, so I don't expect her to
be sane by any means.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Not.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
When Jim's over here scratched himself, so his fleece right well.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Inside your feet in the arena, methjows. So there you go.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Didn't buy that motor for nothing? There you go.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Okay, I think we should take a break and check
out and maybe never come back.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
I don't know, we should just start the whole thing
over very subtle.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I'm done with you people.
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Speaker 6 (13:00):
Okay, we have and we have Tom in return. We
have dual Tom's again.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Oh okay, so Tom came back in rings the doorbell
and the alarm is that we came in. That's just good.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
M h.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
We heard the street alarm by the way, So yeah,
explain that every we all have responsibilities we take care
of and we cover for each other like crazy. But
we have our list of stuff and one of them
is the driveway indicator that somebody dropped the ball on.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Don't know who that might be. I don't know. Let's
check the responsibility list.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
So how does your driveway indicator work?
Speaker 6 (13:35):
When somebody pulls in the driveway, it tells us and
goes bing bing bing.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Early warning system because you've got a fairly long driveway, right.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
We do, we do, and I have that's early warning.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
And then we have other systems in place as well
as the canine.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I like the Claymore minds. I think that was a
good touch.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Yeah, well, if they can get past the centuries, I
think they got a chance.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
There you go, okay, cool, all right? And I do say, Jepher,
I do like the idea of having an early warning system. Now, well,
you know that there's someone who has driven up your driveway.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Yeah, and we get some falses here, you know, somebody
pulling just to turn around, stuff.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
But sure, and it's not like, oh my god, the
driveway grab their.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
It's like, okay, well something something's in the driveway, and
sometimes it's deer.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I's going to say, it could be a deer.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
It is deer.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, read before.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
That's why you have an RPG for deer like it kill.
Let me cook them at the same time.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Well, now we know people that make those, so we're good.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Okay, we do.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
I thought, then we have somebody that was getting into military.
We were discussing, all yeah, oh yeah, that's right, we do.
We have somebody we know who makes us for the government. Correct, Okay,
I said, thinking, man, that'd be cool if you can
have that at your local store, you know, seventy three.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I would like a case of those, a couple of
you know, Claymores and.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, okay, another creed.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I get confused on this stuff.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
I can understand that if you throw a Claymore at
thirty three hundred feet per second, you got a hell
of an arm.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, you'd be in the Olympics with the discus thing,
you know, yeah, or in the hospital dislocated whatever.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Right, yes, right, Claymars are the ground ones, right, Claymore
is Yes, that's the tank or anti personnelity.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
It's anti personality. It's got like it's got like a
couple of hundred little ball bearings in it with seapour
behind it, and when it goes off, it sprays an area.
It's so uh it's an anti personnel area clearing thing.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Gotcha? Okay?
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Yeah, the things I learned on gun Talk. What did
you discuss today, honey? Claimer, minds and knives.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And really disgusting, disgusting every plane.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
We are a constant source of useless than from it's
what we do here.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
So you know, we haven't talked about which we almost
always talk about two weeks before Christmas. Christmas list, Yeah,
your Christmas the Michelle Cleveland Christmas List.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
The spot the things that I would recommend people to
have on.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
The or things that you would like, but we'd like
to hear.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
The obvious thing right now is taking advantage of our
new Suppressor Act that's coming through so we don't have
to pay the tax stamp on it, right right, So
getting yourself in line, getting your you know, books out
and seeing which one fits best, what you want to.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Get the calibers. But you can always give a gift certificate.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
We also okay retail, that makes sense. You could go
to the store, you could buy it now, don't put
your paperwork in until after the first of the year,
and then you have the tax.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Right, I mean you can't pick up yeah, can't tie it.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Up, you can't yeah, I mean you can't pick it
up from the store, but you purchase it that they
hold it until the paperwork's done. But you wait three
weeks or deliver your paperwork in after January one, and
now there's no tax.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
And perhaps you have a firearm that needs to be threaded,
and this.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Would be a good time to get that done.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
And I suggest the barrels where you should probably thread
because yes, mostly the grip of the match it just
doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
So, I mean, those are those are the big ones.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I mean, obviously there's always the fallbacks, right, there's the
speedloaders and magazine loaders and extra ammunition and electric ear
muffs and good eye wear and an ice.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Cream bag.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
In red dots.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Red dots, Yeah, man, everybody's got red dots, and there
are more and more of them, and.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Started real cheap up to real crazy expensive.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well and good quality cleaning equipment. I stand by that
firmly good quality cleaning equipment, one piece rods if they
have a rifle or if they're getting into a rifle,
just so it's a lot nicer and easier for.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Cleaning the gun.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But also one of the things like, if you have
a year to year membership to the NRA or to
any other rights associations, bump them up, buy them a
three year or five year or if you can, a
life membership, whatever it might be. And it can be
your local state association. It doesn't have to be anything
crazy crazy.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
So exactly, and often the state group is like twenty
five bucks or stuffs, not.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Very much, right, And if they've not been a member,
sign them up to be a member. I mean, I
don't think anybody's ever going to get mad about becoming
a member of an association and getting informed, right.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
You wouldn't mix up with it. Again, people are weird,
So there's more.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
What about it if you didn't free your friends that
are anti gun, if you have any.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah, you know, I've heard of people who've actually done that.
They bought anti gun friends and then are a membership.
It really doesn't. All it does is just marks you
as a jerk.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, I know, well, and now they don't even get
the magazine thrown at them.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
So that's true.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
What's the point, right, You're not even going to get
a magazine.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
I've held all my old copies. You I'll deliver myself, dammit.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
So there's there's lots of things that you can that
you can purchase. I mean, going into a good gun
store and taking some time and walking around, you'll find something.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Training, Right, buy a bunch of bags of phone were
plugs and just have those available. I mean just nobody
would not want those. I mean I can probably fill
a bag of a hunter just by going through my car, right,
finding the ones that are under seats and everywhere.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
On the dryer yesterday was a dryer.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yesterday had just the vest on and I reached into
the pocket and I was like, oh, yeah it was one,
not two.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I have one phone protection. But yeah, I only want
the left ear protected.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
The one furthest from the chamber.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, well, but you know what you can do.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
But you know what's perfect. Now you can take that
new sharp knife, cut that intwo and make two plugs.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Out of Yes, there you go, and a little unknown
fact for people, potentially they do if you have a.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Youth or a female in your life.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
They actually make plugs that are smaller than the common
ear plus yes, so that is.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
A good purchase.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
And if you don't have those, you can cut a
pham plug lengthwise with your sharp little pocket knife and
now that will work for kids. Okay, they can roll
those up and make those work for their little bitt
ear canals. Yep.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So you know, having the real se go ahead.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Or you can get give a sharp knife to a kid, Tom,
you just give them guns.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Not nice, use a pencil to temple them in. But
I'm glad I didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Look, it's really new in you really working your way
off with a good list, you know that, right?
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Yeah, I'm getting.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Cold gosh, oh my.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So there's also all kinds of different I guess platforms
that you can get for training, so you can do
at home training of drawing and shooting and tracking what
needs to change.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And what you can do better.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And you can get different platforms you know that are
lasers and stuff like that. But you can spend you know,
probably a good one hundred and fifty dollars up there,
so that's.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
All you have.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You ever used the Manta system yep, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh, I think it's great. Okay, yeah, I think it's great.
So it definitely shows you all your movements. So if
you want to work on time and get you a
lot of trigger time, So snapcaps it's always a good one.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yes, that's a good.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
TV screens to protect your TV.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, the house, you know, a good holster.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
But that's hard because that's a personal choice.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
It is, so you know, it's good.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Just the gift certificate is the way to go there.
It's like buying somebody clothes. Here's a gift certificate. Just
go get what you want.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Well, I kind of feel the same way with the
with the firearm. You know, unless you have been out
shopping for something and no specifically what they want other
than that, let them choose their gun, take them back,
you know, wrap up a gift card in a big
old box so they are thrown off or whatever you
need to do, but take them back and let them
(22:57):
take out the firearm.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Well, that guy we had today you called, went into
the stories trying one gun, you know, he said, well,
I'm looking for a nineteen eleven with a red dot site.
And then I'm thinking, yeah, okay, and then the hand
name this kimber, and it was just like, you know,
the heavens parted into angels saying.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
And he's like, oh my god, I love.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
The way this thing feels. Well, duh, there it is.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
All he needed was for you to say yes exactly.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
He had already said yes. He just wanted the validation.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Well you know what that was Steve in Texas. So
now he can tell his wife.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
So you know, I was kind of on the fence,
but Gresham basically talked me into it.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
It's his fault.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I didn't really want it anyway.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
It's just a kimber.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's funny though, because that's the second week in a
row that people have called in on the nineteen eleven.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Nines, the twenty elevens, the twenty elevens.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Well there's the twenty elevens, which is double stack, and
then you've got single stacked nineteen eleven and nine membaters,
which you couldn't get in ten rounds in a mag
on those with fleshbit mans eggs, so eleven rounds and
the pistol, which is.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Not bad, you know, especially smaller hand dudes, because a
lot of everything guys have bigger hands. Well maybe generally speaking,
but that's not always the case, not.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Always, And a single stack nineteen eleven is a good gun.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I'm kind of interested to see when these new blocks
come out what that pump swall is like.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Right, that's one of the things that they've changed. And I'm.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Well, some of them are just way too big already
for my hand size, and so I'm just wondering if
they're going to hopefully they don't push themselves out a
little bit more, because you know, the nineteen for me,
it's like, okay, pinky grip perfect, you know, add that
little extra finger placement, but getting on a little bit
(24:48):
fatter might be a problem.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
So have you I'm sure you have.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
You've shot a block forty eight the single stack?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Oh yeah, I love I love the clothes.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Yeah, I like those a lot.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Three forty two, forty eight.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
All of those are left alone as far as I understand, correct,
I believe that's correct. Yes, just the nineteen seventeen, twenty
two YadA, YadA.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah. For those who don't know, I mean, if you
everybody thinks that the glocks being these big bulky things,
but they make a whole line of single stack pistols,
and they are trim and handy and shoot great.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, I agree with everything of that. They're they're awesome.
It's a good platform.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I've got a forty eight. I don't think I have
a forty three, and not only does it feel good,
but the trigger on it's very good. So it's like, okay,
there's nothing to complain about here. I mean, look, if
you've got ten rounds of nine, you know, were ten
plus one. If you've got ten of the mag and
one of the gun and two more mags of ten rounds,
(25:50):
that's probably more than you're gonna ever need. I mean,
like it would have to be a really terrible day.
All right.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
I got to get on brown House and cancel this
two hundred round drum mag I was buying for.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
No, you don't, no, no, there's no canceling anything. Nothing
is counselable.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Oh dear you, that's sacrilege, that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But maybe you could reduce the number of ammunition pieces
that you just put in your cards.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I actually had a thing happen and we talked about this.
I went on the side that I got this email
from the name brand company that makes ammo and bullets
and things, and they had like a stupid great deal
on some two sixty women to Ammo. I mean it
was it was thirty dollars or a box of loaded Ammo. Wow,
(26:38):
I'm thinking, I mean, brass is a buck twenty, So going, okay,
I get loaded Ammo for that. And by the time
I click on it and looked at it, by the
time I clicked on it to buy it, there was
only one box left.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Oh yeah, I mean people were snatching it up just
as fast as they could click on it and putting
it in your cart does not reserve it.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
For it, No, it does not, as I learned.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Well, you know, so, I mean in everybody, you think, okay,
who's buying Ammo for a two sixty remedy?
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Evidently all of us. Probably a bunch that got shut down.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, I'm just thinking, like, too sixty.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Was that just sitting somewhere that they happened to stumble
across that in a back room?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, no, kidd, I mean I know they're loading it.
There's not a huge demand for but it is the
total ballistic equivalent of a six five creed more.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well, you are in the perfect placement in the country
right to be able to use something like that, So
that western region right there for hunting applications.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
It's honestly, it would be a great white tail round.
There's not a lot of recoil, and it's a really
good three hundred three hundred and fifty yard round. It
doesn't have the super long range ability of the six
five creed Moore because it doesn't have the faster spin
rate twist, right, But I mean it's a it's a
(28:04):
good honestly, probably three to four hundred yards and that's
as far as I'm going to shoot. To me, four
hundred yards is a long shot. I mean on a
twitter now. On steel, yeah, let's go well right, worrying
them out there as far as you want to go.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
It's not moving unless you hit it.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yeah, and if if I miss, it's not a big deal.
They're still going to be right there. It's not running away.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Rasier to feel dressed too, waysier.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, yeah, but pack of them out stuff.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
They're heavy, it's all dead weight.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
If you've ever carried steel targets around the big steel
holy cow, that stuff's heavy.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
You see people set up at the gun shows with
all their different steel targets that they've made and you
know that are for sale.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Dolly, like, can you hold that for me until I'm done?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah? Really? Not carrying that around? I can tell you that.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You see bunnies, you know, joint joint carrying it out. Yeah,
you're like, yeah, find a friend. If you didn't bring one.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Do exactly bring a dolly. There you go, there it is.
Well you guys, be safe with your canives be careful?
And uh there's as we like to say, but wait,
there's more sot Next week we will pick this story
up and figure out what else.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
All right, Well, thank you as always for your generosity.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Well, of course, of course it's not much there, but
here it's kind of fun. It's silly. So there you go.
In the meantime, everybody else, you know, it may be
too late to order online, and that's a good thing
for your local store. Go to your local store and.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Buy stuff, right amen.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Cruise down the aisles and go, wow, look at that.
I never even knew that was a thing.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
I could shoplift one of those, and I could snag.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I don't have to go online and buy this, I
can get it at my store.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's so old school.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, so old school.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
It is. This old school is like a drive to
a store.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
The Lord, you pick it up and smell it and
you can feel it and yeah, it's just right.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
And leave your phone in your pocket and not scroll continuously. Yeah,
there will be aware the real world is out there. Wow, amazing.
I know. Maybe we could make it go away. This
is the word you have to start saying, make the
world go away. Take care, guys. We'll do it next week,
right before Christmas.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
We'll catch you next time for the gun Talk after show.
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