The Justice System Will Steamroll You | Gun Talk Nation - Gun Talk

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You said, a lot of these good people don't realize
that the justice system is about to steamroll them.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Absolutely. I saw for so many years I saw good
kind people get caught up in the justice system that
had no idea what was getting ready to happen.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is Gun Talk Nation.
Gun Talk Nation is brought to you by Safari Land,
First Person Defender, Hodgden and Guns and Gear. Hey, welcome

(00:48):
into Gun Talk Nation. Today on the show, we have
an expert and we're not necessarily talking about guns, because
there's so much more to guns and carrying and self
defense than the gun part. We're to talk about that.
We have an expert in that world of what happens after,
what happens after you have to use your gun in

(01:08):
some sort of defensive application. So today of the show,
we're welcoming in Chris Cunningham from CCW safe. Welcome in,
Thank you, thanks for being here. You bet so, Chris
Whyle't we start off here, give people a little bit
of your background and how you got here.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I'm retired Oklahoma City Police Department. Worked for the department
for thirty one years. I retired a couple of years ago.
It was just kind of time to do something else.
I was a homicide investigator for seventeen years with Oklahoma
City and finished my career in the child pornography unit
and got to do a lot of different things I

(01:46):
never imagined when I initially hired on with the agency
in nineteen ninety two, my plan was to get my
time in and then go federal and try to be
a federal law enforcement agency. At the time, I was
really looking FBI. But I got on the Oklahoma City
Police Department, and at the time, we had a horse unit,

(02:07):
we had a mallet patrol, we had a bicycle unit,
we had a motorcycle unit, we had a helicopter. We
had just a lot of opportunities that I didn't even
know existed. That doesn't include your patrol division, your special investigations,
your criminal intel, your detective investigations division. So I just

(02:27):
kind of just kept finding a nice path there and
never left, and before I knew it, I was finished
with my career and ready to go do something else.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
It seems like Oklahoma City geographically is kind of right
where East meets West and a big north south corridor.
I imagine it's pretty busy for you guys, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
So we have Route sixty six. We have I forty,
which goes from each from the west coast to the
east coast. We also have I thirty five, which goes
from the southern border to the northern border. So we
really are are back home. We refer to it as
the Crossroads of America because those two interstates do meet
in Oklahoma City, lots of different opportunities to fight crime

(03:11):
and deal with things that are on our interstates and roadways.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
We'll get into the armed citizen stuff. But because of
your background as a detective investigator on homicide things, I
heard a stat one time that you can tell me
if this is bunk. But when someone commits a murder,

(03:36):
I've heard that they leave behind like twenty one clues
on average or something like that. It's a wild stat
to me. I mean, does that.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, I mean it's I can't say there's an actual number,
but you know, it's pretty impossible to commit the perfect crime,
especially in this day and age with the digital trail
that people you leave behind, the video that is out there.
There's videos everywhere, even not even thinking there's traffic cameras.

(04:07):
Then you have business. The ring doorbells now use those
in all my cases where they've had where I've had
access to them. It's just it would be very difficult
right now to go undetected to commit a crime. And
I think we're seeing that in some of our most
recent criminal cases. You know, people think that they've committed

(04:29):
the perfect crime, but a lot of times what happens,
I'm kind of spilling a kind of a trade secret.
They put thought into the bigger parts of their story
that they don't put thought into the detail. The details
a lot of times are what throws people off. And
then they give you information or you gain information, and

(04:51):
then you're able to follow up on that information and
actually get more evidence or more The idea behind an
investigation is I want you to talk to me, and
the more you talk to me, the more information you're
giving me, and then I can prove that you're telling
the truth, or I can prove that you're not telling

(05:12):
the truth. And that's how you kind of break it down.
Is a large part of it is just let's talk
and you give me. If I'm interviewing you on a case,
you're going to give me information if you keep talking
to me, Even if you don't mean to.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
And I guess that's true. You guys aren't trying to
prove someone's guilty or prove their innocent. You're just trying
to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I'm just trying to collect the facts. I try to
tell people that all the time. I'm not here to
say you did it or you didn't do it. That's
somebody else's job. I'm here to talk to you, to
give you the opportunity to tell your side of the story.
And I'm going to take that information and I'm going
to be able to say, yeah, he's telling me the
truth or yeah he lied about this, and then I

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present that to whatever prosecuting entity it is, whether it's
your local DA, whether it's the federal government. I've provided
cases to the US Attorney, and then they decide if
you've done it, or if it's prosecutable, or if it
needs to go to trial.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I mean, you got to think that most of these
homicide cases, I would hope that this is this person's
first murder. Not always US, but you or somebody on
your team or somebody who does that this is now
your first homicide investigation. You've dealt with dozens or hundreds

(06:31):
or thousands of these, so it's kind of like you
guys know where those pitfalls are for those people. Perhaps
that it's like the stuff that they don't think of.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, and you get better at it. I mean, everybody
has their own niche I should say I loved the
interview I loved interviewing. Scenes are fun to work, but
to me, the challenge is in an interview room. The
challenge is convincing you to talk to me, and then

(07:04):
convincing you to continue to talk to me when you're
saying things that could be detrimental to your situation. I
always told people, I'm not going to take it personal.
You don't know me and I don't know you, So
if you choose not to talk to me, I'm not
going to take it personal. But this is your one shot,
right and I'll be happy to take that information and

(07:27):
provide it to the district attorney and they can decide
what they're going to do with it. And it's really
just learning to deal with people and interact with people.
I've talked to people that hated females and wouldn't have
talked to a female very nicely or kindly or anything
outside that interview room, and I was able to get

(07:48):
statements from them that ended up putting them in prison
for the rest of their life.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
How do you get somebody to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
A lot of it is just knowing how to read
that person. I work child abuse cases. I've worked cases
where they know that immediately there's a disdain for them.
If you're a child, if you're a pedophile and you
sexually abuse children, they know what the public thinks of them.

(08:19):
So guess what. When I first walk out of the
room and I shake your hand, I've just taken you
off a little bit. You've just become a little less
guarded because I just walked right out and shook your hand.
I just put my hand on your arm and thank
you for coming in. I didn't treat you badly. I
didn't say mean things to you. I didn't give you
that hateful look that you expect to get from everybody.

(08:42):
It's just learning how to read people. And a big
part of interviewing is learning how to listen. You don't talk.
You shouldn't be talking more than the person you're interviewing.
That's not the point.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
You should tell that to podcasters. Well, along those lines,
you work with C. CW. Safe now, which is a
different side, but it seems like a lot of those
skills can help people who are listening to this kind
of understand Gosh, I know where we start of the
dues and don'ts and and how do you approach this

(09:15):
as a as a legally armed citizen's who's trying to
do things the right way.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Sure, I did not plan to work for CCW safe.
In fact, when I retired, I had no plan to work.
I've been very fortunate. I made plans for retirement. I
was prepared for retirement, so I wanted to do. I
volunteer at an elementary school a couple of days a week.
I do some other stuff. This was not, you know,

(09:42):
on my bingo card, as they say. And I had
lunch with Stan Campbell, one of our founders, and he
spoke to me about what role I would play and
what I would be doing. The other big thing was
Gary Eastitch had this job before me, and I have
the utmost respect for Gary, and I knew if if

(10:02):
he had done this job and done it the way
I expected Gary Eastritch to do the job, I'd be
I'd be pretty lucky to be able to slide into
that seat and take over at that point, and it's
exactly what I wanted to do. I saw so for
so many years, I saw good kind people get caught

(10:24):
up in the justice system that had no idea what
was getting ready to happen.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
To talk about that, I mean, because I remember last
time I was with you, a year or two ago.
I remember you said those words, and I still have
I've repeated him several times. You said, a lot of
these good people don't realize that the justice system is
about to steamroll.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Them, absolutely, and it's not. You know, there's a lot
of talk about justice reform and what needs to happen
with our justice system, and I'm I'm the first to
admit I was involved in it for years, for decades,
and it is broken. But it's not broken in the
way that a lot of the people are trying to

(11:04):
say it's broken. It's broken along financial lines. If you
have the money to buy a good defense, to buy
a good attorney, to get someone to hire experts, you're
going to get defended and you're going to get a
good quality defense in most instances. If you don't have
that money, you're at the mercy of the system. And

(11:25):
that's just the way it is that you don't have
you have a public defender that's just as busy, if
not busier, than your prosecutors are. They don't have the
time to sit down and listen to you. They won't
listen to you because they've read the file and they
know what they're going to do with that file before
they already conceived, Yeah, I'm going to get a plea
on this deal or I'm going to do this, and
that's not in your best interest all the time. Sometimes

(11:47):
it might be. I'm not saying it, the plea deals
aren't good for some people. The problem is is every
single person that goes into that system deserves the same
type of defense. Whether we all have public defenders or
we all have private attorneys, every person that's part of
that system deserves the same chance to defend themselves. I'm

(12:10):
not saying that that doesn't mean people still don't go
to prison for what they've done if they're found guilty.
I'm saying everyone deserves to have the same seats at
the table as everybody else.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Well, and what you're talking about is that we're talking
about the cost of it right now, and on a
small thing. It's in the tens of thousands of dollars,
and on a big thing, it's in the hundreds of
thousands of dollars.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Absolutely, And that's before anything happens. You call an attorney
and you say, I've got a DUI I need, and
I'm going to do really really small analogies. I've got
a DUI I need five thousand dollars. Right, I don't
have five thousand dollars. Right, Well, then you don't hire me.
And now that leaves you with your public defender or

(12:58):
someone else that maybe isn't as interested. I mean, the
running joke for years is there was a specific attorney
that sat on a bench on the fifth floor of
the Oklahoma County Courthouse and if you walked up and
gave him five hundred dollars, he'd go represent you unicurt.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I'd be your attorney for that appearance.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well, maybe you don't even have that, you know. So
it's really really difficult, and we're not CCW safe is
not dealing with five thousand dollars deui cases, right, we're
dealing with fifty thousand dollars cases for the original retainer.
That's not you know, or more it depends you know.

(13:35):
So it's very difficult for people to understand how important
it is to make sure that you financially can defend yourself.
And that's one of the key things. Even if you
talk to Steven Stephen Maddox are whatever you're that was
defended in North Carolina, he could have afforded to pay

(13:55):
for his own defense. He says that he had a
great job. He may had a lot of money, is fine.
I don't say a lot of money, but he had
the financial means to defend himself. He had no clue
what to do.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Well, yeah, and doesn't that's the other part, not the
clue what to do. But even if you say, well
it's gonna cost three hundred grand, and someone goes, I
got three hundred grand in a four own k or
I've got three hundred grand in equity, well then you're
gonna have to tap all of.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
It, right, like right, that's and it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Even if you have it you get to setback.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Bond, you're not gonna get that money back. You're you
that money is gone, and so now what you had
is no longer there, right you know, So you can
you can bankrupt yourself, you can wipe yourself out financially,
you can totally change your your the way you live
and how you live. And and I appreciated that when

(14:45):
Stan and I went to lunch, I appreciated the fact
that I felt like this was leveling the playing field
for a lot of the citizens at a really inexpensive cost.
I mean, some of the plans that we have are
seven eighteen nineteen dollars a month. If you want to
pay them a month, that's the cost of Netflix now, right.

(15:06):
I mean you can binge watch on your couch all month,
or you can protect yourself and your assets and your
family from being bankrupt. It just doesn't make a lot
of sense to me. And I've told my family this.
My family knows I believe this, and I don't even
That's the other part that I love about this is

(15:28):
it's not just guns. Yeah, that's what I tell my
family and my friends. I said, if you don't have
this now, in this day and age, with the way
society is, it's a really really bad decision to not
have some coverage.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
It's a length, It's just a little peace of mind. Absolutely, Chris.
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to members all the time, you hear from them. I'm
wondering what are some of the Are there common things
that you seem to run into ongoing as far as
reasons they call you guys because everybody thinks of bad
guy came in and I shot him. Well, I guess

(18:30):
there's some of those things. But are there other things
that people don't think of the reasons they call you guys?

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah. It's kind of funny because our coverage itself is
related to self defense incidents. So really, if you look
at what you've joined for as a member, it's if
you get involved in an incident, this is what we do.
But a lot of people don't see that as that's

(18:59):
what the coverage is about. So they call all the time.
I have people that are traveling across multiple states and
they'll ask questions about where they're legal to do, you know, travel,
and how they're how their firearm has to be transported
and all that. And even though that's not part I mean,
we're not on retainer as an attorney to answer the questions,

(19:20):
we still try to provide that for our members and
try to help them. I do take a lot of
calls from members who are in close situations or they
have concerns that it potentially could have something else, you know, happened,
and and you just kind of try to explain to them,
you know, your decision making was correct, or maybe you

(19:42):
need to think about it this way. I have a
lot of conversations with them about kind of my my
soapbox for the industry is you need to do as
much mental training as you do physical training. If you
go to the range three days a week, you need
to be mentally training the same amount of time.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
How would they do that? What do you Is there
anything that's.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Typically try to explain to them that it can be
done at any time. If you're sitting at your desk
at your office and you're in an environment where somebody
could walk in, what would you do if there was
an active shooter at your place of employment.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, we talked about the what ifs the websile in
if then if.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
You stop at a stoplight and someone was to approach
your car, or you were to see something happen right
in front of you, how would you respond? What run
yourself through that? Mentally? Because you know, we recently did
some stuff on situational awareness. Part of your responding is prepared,

(20:44):
being prepared.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, if the first time you see the guy is
he's standing at the window of your car, that's not
as good as I see this guy walking absolutely through
traffic at my car.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Absolutely, Hey, that's better. Yeah. Or you've seen the guy
walk up and bang on the three cars in front
of you, and you have no plan for if he
comes and bangs on yours, or you have no plan
for if he comes and jerk the door open on
your car. And part of that is are you going
to respond differently if you're by yourself or if you
have someone with you. Sure, mentally you can train yourself.

(21:21):
It's just like when you very first started using your firearm,
you had to mentally think about how you were going
to function that firearm or how you were going to
make that firearm work. If you got you know, we
used to say at the range, tap rack fire okay.
Well you had to mentally prepare and work on that,
and then it became such a second nature to you.

(21:42):
You know, It's kind of like our conversation about driving
a car. At one point. You're learning. You see kids,
you teach them, they're okay, I've got to do the
blinker up, I've got to do the blink And now
they're just flipping and going, yeah, you can do that
in stressful situations too.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Enough, exactly how much is road range of problem right now? Huge? Yeah,
I would.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Say again, that's another thing that we deal with. You
asked what do we deal with with members? That's another
thing they I would probably say, I take anywhere from
I mean some months, I've taken ten to fifteen calls
a month wow from a member who got involved in something,

(22:26):
and they're calling because they're like, Okay, this happened. What
do I need to do? Well, A lot of times
I'm talking them through, have you called the police? You
need to still call the police even if nothing happens.
To call the police, absolutely, because they could have called
and reported something else, especially if your firearm was exposed,
or if you showed your firearm to them, if you

(22:47):
displayed it, if you brandished it. In some states, that's
a crime in and of itself. So you need to
make sure that you make those phone calls to get
yourself in the right position to where you're not suspect
before you are even aware that law enforcement's been called.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
You were talking about the importance of if anything like
this happens, of going ahead and calling the police.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Absolutely, you had a great way of putting it.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
As as the bus.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
You're the saying, is the first person to get on
the bus picks their seat, Well, it may not be
that that person is the victim, but if they're the
very first person to call law enforcement, they're the complaining
party or they're the victim in the initial crime incident. Yeah,
well that may change once the facts come out, but
initially that's the case, and that's because they called first.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Kind of sets up the whole string of events there.
If he says, I want to press charges, this guy
pulled a gun on me. Now maybe reality he's the
one with road rage and the guy pulling the gun
was to protect himself.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Absolutely, and we see that happen a lot. People try
to run to authority to claim they've been the victim,
when actually they were the ones that started it and
they're the ones that caused the whole thing to happen.
But they want to get to the front of the
line and make sure everybody knows that they've been wronged.
And it turns out that's not always the case.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
All right, let's move to like actually people using their
gun and self defense. You've seen it on on law
enforcement side. You've probably heard from some members of some things.
What do people screw up the most on the in
the aftermath.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Part if they've actually been involved in an incident. A
lot of times they first of all not calling the police.
You need to call the police. When you call, you
need to call. You need to ask for law enforcement,
and you need to ask for an ambulance. Even if
you're okay, if you have fired your weapon and another

(24:49):
person is injured, you need to ask for assistance for them.
That's part of making sure that and that all goes
back to what we've talked about about being prepared. You know,
I've walked around the facility here and there's a sign
that says call nine one one, and this is what

(25:10):
you say.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
This is what you say exactly, and.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
It's a script. And it seems funny to say that,
but how many times if people would just think, how
many times you've been in a stressful situation and you
either can't get the words out, you don't use the
right words, you say something you didn't mean, and that's
just regular stress. I can guarantee you, if you've been

(25:36):
involved in a shooting, that stress is one hundred times
more what you experience on a daily basis, if not
more than that, I.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Mean, I can imagine it'd be hard to even dial Oh.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, yeah. And that's why sometimes we encourage, and we've
talked about this just recently at a conference that we
went to. We've encouraged people to have someone that's there
with them make the call instead of them making the call,
because that person, even though they may still be as stressed,
they're at least going to be able to listen because

(26:08):
now you've had this, you've had this event, you're stressed,
you're trying to use your words, you're trying to use
your hands. You also have to listen, and listening is
an art as well. Those questions are coming into you
from the dispatcher, whether it be a fire dispatcher or
an ambulance dispatcher or a police dispatcher, and you're not

(26:29):
going to make any sense answering them because you're not
actually even listening or hearing what they're saying.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
When you call the police, that calls recorded, right, Yes,
it is, so that's all that your first statement, Yeah,
it's your first official statement to law enforcement about what happened,
And none of us are saying that it's wrong to
just say what happened.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
You won't. None of us are saying that. What we're
saying is, if you haven't thought this through, if you
haven't put the effort into mentally preparing yourself for this
type of stress, what you're saying can be misinterpreted. We're
not saying that telling the truth is wrong. We're just
saying it can be misinterpreted depending on the verbige you use,

(27:15):
depending on how you say it, in what order you
say it, what you ask for, because we all know
nowadays they analyze everything. Oh yeah, you know, and if
you talk more about yourself than you do about the
other person, you're going to have somebody come in and say, well,
you talked more about yourself, so you cared more about yourself. No,
that's not the case. That's just where my mindset was

(27:37):
at the minute. So that's again, that's a huge push
for me about why you mentally need to prepare. If
you were involved in a shooting, what would you say.
It's not going to be the same every time, right,
But I've been involved in a shooting. I had to
defend myself. This is the address send an ambulance.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, I mean that sort of script in your head.
It's not because people say don't talk to police. Well,
you need to say something.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
You're gonna get You're gonna get yourself arrested for sure.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
If you don't talk at all, you just say, I'm
not saying a word. I'm exactly like me my lawyer.
I'm not saying anything.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Right. Well, that's it.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
That's kind of a tough situation you're putting yourself into.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
But let's go back to what I said about how
you word it. I'm not saying a word. I'm talking
to my lawyer. I'm not telling you anything. That's pretty tough. Say.
I want to cooperate with you. I just need my
attorney to be present. I need someone here that will
represent me. That's a lot.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Different as for example.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, that's that's and that's your right. That's your right
as a citizen to have an attorney represent you. If
you are being questioned by police in an interrogation, in
an investigation and you're not free to leave, it's called miranda.
It's really simple, and I guarantee you if you have
been involved in a shooting and the police are talking

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to you, you are not free to leave, so ask
for an attorney.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Just understand you're going to be arrested.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
You're going to be arrested. And nowadays it's changed a lot.
When I first hired on the police department, and even
when I first got into the homicide unit, we had
a lot more freedom. We made a lot more of
our decisions on our own based on our training and experience.

(29:28):
And I can guarantee you today there's a lot of
places that I've been where our members have been involved
in shootings that law enforcement is not making the decisions.
The prosecuting entity are right there, right from the right
from the beginning. I had an incident happen in the
state of Illinois, and law enforcement made none none of

(29:49):
the arresting decisions. They did the interviews, but they had
the Assistant State's Attorney there the entire time making the
decisions as to who was going to be taken into
custody or charge is going to be filed and all that,
and some of that is their job, but during the
time I was doing it, there was an autonomy of

(30:10):
my job is to get it to this point and
then it becomes your investigation and then you prosecute. And
that's really a lot of those lines have been cross
now and it's not like that.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Well with all your experience, I mean, what's your advice
for people? What do you tell your friends and your
family about this type of stuff?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I tell people it doesn't matter where I'm at. I
believe ccwsafe is the best company for what we offer
in the industry as far as what our company offers
the cost of our memberships. But I understand that maybe
we don't meet the needs of every person out there.
It's a big pie. There's a lot of people involved

(30:55):
in it. And if there's something that you need that
you want more, then maybe another company is better for you.
The bottom line is, you better have some kind of coverage.
If you don't have a coverage like this, whether it's
a lot of freebies that you get sent in the
mail or I say, we're a coverage company that does

(31:18):
a little bit of marketing because we don't give out
the freebies. We don't do all that stuff. You better
have something because even if you have the money to
defend yourself, we hire the best experts. We hire the
best attorneys. We are there with to help jury selection.
We're there with a PR firm if we need that.

(31:40):
We do crime scene cleanup. We do firearm replacement if
it's stolen. We have all sorts of things. We're now
doing red flag stuff and TSA. So there's a lot
of things that we cover that other companies don't. And
the one thing I really appreciate that I've learned more

(32:01):
as I've been involved, is we have a huge bias
towards coverage. Our coverage committee has a very strong, strong
bias towards coverage anything that's remotely close our members have
been covered on.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, I remember you talking about that, and I you know,
anybody who's dealt with insurance. Unfortunately, I'm down here in
hurricane territory, so I've dealt with her insurance, and I mean,
that's kind of it's a joke, but it's not a joke.
I mean, my insurance industry is we sell you stuff
and then we deny claims. Right, is kind of how
this works well.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Which is which is a nice thing for people to
understand about our company is and this is a this
is a big difference. It's a huge difference, but it's
a basic difference in that it's just a business model difference. Yes,
we are not insurance because we have not gone to
a third party to insure you as a member. We

(32:58):
have insured the company. CCW Safe is insured. Therefore there's
no insurance committee.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
You guys.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Look, we make the call, are our committee coverage team,
which is our founders and our president. We make the
call as to whether this is covered in a covered
event or not. So there's no yeah, no, we're not
going to cover that. No. If it falls within our
terms of service, it is a covered event. And that's

(33:29):
one of the things that I really appreciate is there's
no bate and switch. It's what you see is what
you get. And I think if you were to ask
our members, I think they would be very happy with
how quickly we move, how quickly I do the firearm replacement.
Short of the delay in getting the police report and

(33:52):
the receipt for the firearm our, members are paid within
seven to ten days. Wow, there's no there's no delay.
There's no three to six weeks business days anything like that.
It's a quick turnaround. We take care of our members
and we appreciate that they're part of our company.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Awesome, Chris, thanks for filling in, like filling us in
on some of this stuff, some of your expertise. Hopefully
you guys learned something today. I know I did, and
we will see you next time on gun Dog Nation

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