In This Hour:
-- After years of resisting, Tom finally broke down and ordered a custom pistol. The 45 from Cylinder & Slide exceeded his expectations.
-- It turns out that the side windows on late-model cars are laminated, and you can't break them out with your emergency glass breaker.
-- Is a custom-made gun "worth it?" It depends, but that last 10% of improvement can cost 100% more.
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-- After years of resisting, Tom finally broke down and ordered a custom pistol. The 45 from Cylinder & Slide exceeded his expectations.
-- It turns out that the side windows on late-model cars are laminated, and you can't break them out with your emergency glass breaker.
-- Is a custom-made gun "worth it?" It depends, but that last 10% of improvement can cost 100% more.
Gun Tallk 12.21.25 After Show
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
So that's why you found the.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Gun Talk After show podcast where we saved all the
best things.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
That we can't say on regular radio. Now if here's Tom,
Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk after.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Show after showtime. Here we're doing technical things here and
I fixed everything, guys.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Uh huh on the fly. Uh huh awesome.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
I find that if I just ignore it long enough,
things will heal themselves and all my equipment will work.
Speaker 6 (00:52):
Crud. Welcome to Buzz Aggresham's Gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
That's wrong with that theory.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Let's see if I touched this thing? Okay, Jim, suys,
what's that sound? How about what's that?
Speaker 6 (01:01):
How about we make noises after we lose our callers?
How about that?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Oh? Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Well, first of all, thank you guys for being here.
We will pick up on the backside of that because
it's Christmas time and I am very much appreciative of
my crew because the guys are terrific. But first, let's
go talk with Ed from Saint Louis, Missouri. Hey, Ed,
you're on after show. What's happening? Oh, how are you?
Speaker 7 (01:26):
I've been wanting to call for some time now. I
guess it's a point of curiosity. Uh, I'm wanting to
know about Clint Smith, who wrote for American Handgunner and
probably some other publications. I don't know, I understood. Maybe
it's some medical problems or I don't. I'm not real sure.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Okay, if you would know.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah, I do. Clint is a friend. He is a
lovely wife. Heidi are friends of ours. Uh and Clint
for those who may not know. In top of being
a writer, Clint is one of the firearms trainers, one
of the best farms trainers of the country. He ran
gun site for a number of years under Jeff Cooper
and then he went off, split off and became the
(02:11):
owner and operator of Thunder Ranch down in Texas and
then moved to Oregon. Ran a great operation. And to
say that Clint had health problems as an understatement. Well,
something about being shot multiple times. We'll do that to you,
because he was wounded in Vietnam and that was always there.
Got shot in the neck, so he had stiff neck
and things like that. But Clint so thunder Ranch about
(02:37):
I think two years ago, maybe three years ago, and
he still operated it. And then earlier this year he
and Heidi left. They moved from Oregon and they moved
to the Cody, Wyoming area, And so he's not in
the training business now, and I don't think he's doing
any writing. But he and Hew you're doing fine. I
hear from them occasionally, but they're out in the Cody area.
Speaker 8 (03:00):
Oh okay.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
I really enjoyed his oracles, Sinester. I was just wondering.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
About and we have a really good video with him.
That was one of the very first videos I shot
when we started doing online video almost twenty five years ago,
and I took a camera out there and I said,
you know, Clint, he got a day for me. Yeah,
I stole a day of his time and we shot
(03:26):
a bunch of video. And I didn't know. I was
literally trying to figure out how to work the video cameras.
It was that new but with the thing is great
about that is when you've got people like Clint or
really any of these trainers, you just throw a question
at him, have the camera roll, and they will deliver
a great answer because think about it, that's all they
do all day long is answer these questions and provide information.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
They're great presenters, kind of kind of different than a
lawyer or an engineer. Huh, Tom tough interview, you know.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
And we have lawyers on here all the time, and
there are maybe two or three of them that are
pretty good, and the rest of them are measuring every word,
no doubt, like they're going to be challenged on everything
they say.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
And their exceptions, like like Clackner and this stuff, there's
an exceptions.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah, there areption well, and course he's not talking about
legal things. He might go into that mode if he
was talking about legal issues.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Yeah, can separate the two.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh. Well, let's I gotta grab Terry
because this sounds really I mean, he's in Terry, Mississippi.
Steve and Terry, Mississippi. Hey, Steve, thank you for being here.
Speaker 8 (04:34):
Hey, what's going on, Steve?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Well, this subject you brought up, I got to tell
you I looked at that, and we say, what what
are we talking about here?
Speaker 8 (04:42):
Well, I'm retired, as I started out as a mechanic
and I ended up as a technician at about forty
five years. But these later model, newer vehicles, your glass
breaker won't shedter a door glass. They're like windshields. They
just cracked, they hold together.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
I just looked that up, and you're right, because I
have the glass breakers in my car. The idea of
being just break out the side wind if you need
to get out in the fire or something. You're absolutely right.
They're using laminated glass on the side glass now and
at least glass breakers are not going to work.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
No, that's right. I heard you say that. You know,
a few weeks ago you had one hanging from your mirror,
and I thought, I spell don't know what kind of
view you got. It may not work, or you know,
I did not.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Do you have any idea when they started making that change.
Speaker 8 (05:30):
I really don't, But I know some of the buicks
that I worked at the dealerships, I think it's been
in the probably at least ten years that they were
like that. We have customers come in with the you know,
cracks in the sad windows, and they would. They were
like that for a long time. So that's when I
realized it.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Okay, i'm looking online here it says uh as far
back as twenty nineteen they started. So yeah, you're right,
this hasn't been going on quite a while.
Speaker 8 (05:56):
Yeah, the last one to give you an well, you
know what that means.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I got to carry a sledgehammer with me in my
car houts or something to get.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
Or shoot them out or something.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Oh, trust me, I have thought of that. I thought
I have a glass breaker, a nine millimeter glass breaker.
Speaker 8 (06:12):
With me at all times that will work.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Yeah, now you're still you know, it'll punch a hole,
but you're still gonna have to kick the glass out
because I have shot through a lot of carb glass
and when shields let me, you can shoot lots of
holes in them, but it doesn't fall out. You gotta
like take an axe to it and rip it out
or kick it out. So people need to know if
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you shoot a hole in it, you're still gonna have
to kick that thing out to try to get out
of there.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
You're exactly right.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Well, thank you for the heads up. I did not
know that. And now my little bitty glass breaker just
is going to look terribly amneemic and thinking, sorry, dude,
you're going away. Man, it really won't be of any
value to you, will.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
It Probably not unless you've got an older vehicle.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Wow, okay, well, you know, I hate to find out
that I've been wrong for so long, but this is
not the first time. So there you go.
Speaker 9 (07:06):
Better to find out now than That's right, boy, that
is so true.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
Save.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Thank you. I appreciate the call, sir.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Oh man known I could have gotten you a hatchet
for Christmas.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
So what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You run up the car to save somebody to say, hey,
if your car is just two years older, I could help.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
That's right, we would have helped you out. Well, you know,
I do have actually a little bit hatchet thingy that
it's a glass breaker, but the same deal. I don't
know if you've ever tried to poke holes or break
limited glass, but it just pokes holes. I mean I
literally have shot through windshields with a machine gun and
(07:45):
it still doesn't break out. You're just punching lots of
little holes in there, and the only way you get
it out is and the fireman will do this. They'll
take one of their crash access and punch it through
there and then start pulling and ripping and trying to
yank the whole thing out. It's tough.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So the other thing is too, is where do most
people carry this emergency kit or totes or whatever it
might be? Right, I mean, if you have a pickup
and it's in the back of the truck, that doesn't
do you much good when you're in a cab.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
No, It's got to be where you can get to it.
And it's a good point. I mean, I keep mine
in the back of a large suv is like over
the second row, in the third row, and it's way
back there. It's just you know, basically, if I get
stranded somewhere or off the road, yeah, I could probably
go back and get it. But if the vehicle turns
(08:40):
over or something like that, I'm not getting that emergency kid.
We always say in aviation, the only thing you're gonna
if you have this great, big survival kit, it's in
the back of the plane. That's camping gear. That's not
emergency gear. You know, the only thing you're gonna have
in an accident is what's on you. And it's a
good point.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Something think about for sure.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Well, so I've got my tourniquet on me. I've got
at least one package of gauze, that compressed gauze that
you can use really well. Basically you shelve that stuff
into a hole if somebody's bleeding, and then I've got
the pistol, the knife and flashlights. And you know, honestly,
it's that old deal of you. You can't do anything
(09:23):
that guarantees one hundred percent safety. All you doing is
trying to mitigate the risk and hoping it works right.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Most of the time, I think of glass breakers being
used for like a vehicular accident of some sort.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
But people who may potentially be pulled under water.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Obviously, that's the time that you really really and it
needs to be within a hand's reach and you need
to be rehearsed.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Unfortunately, with how.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
To choose that. Yeah, you know, I wonder if the
moon roof in these cars is laminating glass gosh, I
would think probably. So make it tough, yeah, make it
make it sturdy.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
My antiquit now antiquated glass break. I have three of them.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
If you want to each car, it's actually got a
razor built into the handle for cutting seatbelts too.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, that's the same thing that I get several years
ago for Christmas gifts.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
But now like, dang, what your car have?
Speaker 6 (10:21):
What your's your car?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Now? You know what was see? Now you have a
legal obligation to contact everyone you gave those glass breakers too,
to say, by the way, you need to return those.
We have a recall going because they're not going to
work anymore.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Yeah, we're buy an older car.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
There's Yeah, you're all required by a fifteen year old car.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Just see going to a glass place. Yeah, I really
like this car. It's a twenty twenty three. Could you
change the passenger in front driver window passer window to
non laminated please?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Yeah, good luck with that. I just had to replace
the windshield on my uh expedition. Yeah. Fortunately I've got
the glass cover and insurance because it's a thousand dollars
for a windshiel.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Oh boy, I was gonna say twelve hundred bucks.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah, yeah, well it's twelve or thirteen hundred if you
add in the recalibration for the cameras.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And all that stuff, right, and we've all got the
the UV rays that come through the windshield and you
know antennas and good gravy. There's everything, yes, oh yeah,
there's all sorts of stuff built in there.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yeah, this crazy stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Tom Henry let me a note. When he was in
his jeep wreck. He said the glasses were removed for him.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Oh it was the automatic system. But I like how
you know jeep it thinks of everything. Yeah, in case
of an accident, we will eject the windshield for you.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Oh god, I like that. Well, I'm glad that he
called in. I'm glad Steve called in. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Oh hold on second here, let me get this email up.
I just got you know, Eric, you called in. He
got the big buck. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Well, two
pieces of information. He sent me an email he says
for the disabled veteran from LA. It's actually I think
it was an organ, but he said, the Heroes New
Hope Foundation will take disabled veterans from across the whole nation.
(12:14):
No calls to the veteran whatsoever. So just go to
Heroesnew Hope dot org or their Facebook page Heroesnew Hope
dot org. So that's the one piece of information. The
other piece of information he didn't share online is the
way he signed his email respectfully, Master Sergeant Eric martz
(12:36):
Us Army retired. This is not just your average everyday soldier.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So we need Charlie and Kusby to check that out
because he was.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Looking for budget training.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
He may not listen to the after show, so somebody
does and they can track him down. Charlie and Cousbay.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Here's his phone.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It's right, let's not do that.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well he was, he was looking for training, right, So
they do training or do they take.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
I don't see that, but you know, this is the
kind of place that I would think you'd contact them
and they say, well, we don't do that, but let's
see what we can do.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yes, you know, because Mosburg was highly tied to that.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
What was the name of their foundation.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Hundred American Veterans of Field.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yes, yes, and that might be you know.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
That's a that's a possibility too. In fact u our
good friend Tom Taylor, who was is typical of what
happens in the farmers world, right, we talked about this
all the time. Was at Smith and Weston, then was
at Remington, then was at sig and now he's running
(13:54):
c Z was there for that's right, you're right, you're right,
And we talked I mean We laughed because in this
our industry, I always say, people don't leave, they move around,
and they do it. We were like crazy, but nobody
leaves because it's just such a cool industry to be in.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I'm up for a new challenge another company.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
That's right, We're do that.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Okay, that is something totally different.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
I think firearms, right, I'm gonna go shotguns this time.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
It is.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's hard, even like on the web side of the world,
where you have people that call in on your store
because like, uh, we met you were here last year before.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
That's right, you were loophole last year and then and
now and now you're doing Browning?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
What that scratch your head? Because and then it happens
all the time. Yeah, and what do you mean they
took over this other company?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
What?
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
All the time change going on.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
In our I've been looking at this new smith. Any
chance next month you might be We're all I don't
know working there.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Maybe I mean Barretta. Barretta now owns Steiner. Yes, that's
exactly right. You know, Bretta has Socko and Bretta actually
a whole bunch of companies of Bretta owns.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And there's that through that's through a lot of stock
and ruger.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
That's the whole interesting, weird story. I have not heard
a peep about that.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, it's been quiet, hasn't it.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
And I'm guessing that you know, they're now at the
lawyer stage where we're all talking about what's going.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
On in that whole deal, and nobody else.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Is well, yes, beause they've been they have been told.
Nobody says nothing, right, yep, I know nothing. All right,
I'll tell you what quick break here, we'll come back.
We'll talk a little bit of Christmasy staff.
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Speaker 5 (16:27):
All right, back with you. It is two days from
Christmas or a week from Christmas. I just got my
email alert from Bench Made Knives only two shopping days.
I thought I beat you to.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
It, And what did you why what?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Well? What listen to her earlier?
Speaker 6 (16:45):
I got two of everything, Tom, I don't know how to.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
All ship to gym and then nobody gets anything.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Wait, wait, it's so lightweight. Didn't even know it was there.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
They were supposed to be party favors for the crew,
and gym ends up with everything.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Well, we had those little blower party flowers.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Yeah, he's giving everybody a knife. I'm sorry, he's giving
everyone in a window glass breaker.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Yeah, that's real lot because it means so much to me.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Guess what, I've got a lot of used, slightly used
glass breakers here.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
You need to get rid of one owner.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
One owner. All right, So Jim's been playing with this
new toy. No, we're not talking about that. We're talking
about his knife sharp.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Oh my god, is this thing cool? This is the
cool It's cool. It's the coolest home gadget I have now.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Sometimes like, yeah, you know, you realize that when you
when you get this, you're going to be sharpening every
knife in the house.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
I'm like, yeah, I'm sure they don't need it, and
a couple do and it'll be andy. I put it together.
I got the twenty knives down and opening drawers, and
see we have any knives that we never even used yet,
maybe I could sharpen just I got sharpened.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Everything he's used to be butter knives.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Look at it anymore? Nomore.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
What's they called the Warhog? The Warhog knife sharpener?
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Yep, awesome. Check them out because.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
It is the It is the coolest thing. I mean.
Actually I bought several of them at Johnny Derry's place
in San Antonio when I went through there or a
year or so ago. They had them there and I
just bought them out and went those are the coolest knife.
And I have had a challenging experience with knife sharpeners,
let's just put it that way. And it is to say,
(18:30):
like the original wetstones, you know, forget it. I'm just
rounding off edges because I can't hold an edge or
the angle correct.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
So can't do that every thing.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Well, and of course the problem is somebody else.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
You know, if you have somebody else in your household
that sharpens and they don't hold it at the same angle.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, now there's all kinds of issues, and the safety issue.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I mean, we don't want to you know, we want
to help out the Red Cross but not accidentally.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
We want to donate, but not in the zip loot.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
This is this is right right after you take the
Stop the Bleed class and you go sharp in your knives, right.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
You have the quick clot don't Jim stipped at Kenzie
for nothing?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
All right, So you got the the Warlock knife sharper,
which is very cool. Then you got the bench made knives.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Well actually too nice because we got that one the
week before.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
You got the little start. You got the starter knife
last week.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Yeah, Spiderko, it was just that.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, it was a teaser. It was an appetizer. We
didn't even know.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
And the beautiful thing was is that Tom and Michelle
used the knife they got last week to open up.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
You're a very generous man, my friend.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Thank you, thanks so much.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
It's fun. Those are just way too cool.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
It was probably the most practical gift I've ever got.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
You know. It's it's amazing how often you end up
using a pocket knife just you know, if nothing else,
just for the Amazon boxes.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Yeah that's my life.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, these are these are nice the ones that you sent,
because they're very very lightweight, very thin blade. I mean,
it's just it's just a nice one. To have on
you not know what that you know, not know that
it's there, I guess.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
On my on my little hunting bag, I have knives
and I have a fire starter, and again kind of
like your little the emergency prep kit, right right, I
mean I have all that kind of stuff there in
that so I might have to look at what I
have in there and trade some things around.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Well yeah, and that's not a bad thought. You need
to go back into first aid kits and mercy kits
occasionally just to analyze, Okay, is everything in there where
it should be? Or have I stolen something from it
that I needed?
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Right right?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Yeah? Oh I need a fire starter, I need a thing,
Oh yes, it's not there anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
And medications and saves, anointments, they all go out of dates.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Cash they do they time out.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Keep cash in there for an you go bag, but
I need fifty bucks, Pala.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Keep the pennies.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Those knives that you took out of your your gool
bag and shot It's like, you know it's been retired.
As he steps out and benchmade comes in, his buddies
are like, don't take it so tough, cherry you lost
out to a benchmade.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Would you expect the.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Beach made although you won't need it now, but bench
made does offer free sharpery you send your knife back
to then those sharp they do for a lifetime deal.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
But for you guys, and made in the u s a.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
And and made in the USA.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, it's a sarah Coat like blade. I've never seen
that before.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Powder coat.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Yeah, that's good. Cool.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
So thanks man, So there you go.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
So and I was thinking, what am I going to
get somebody from last minute? Your local gun store has knives.
Almost every gun store has some knives of some sort.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And I said, if there, if they're a good caliber store.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Caliber, the boom.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
But you're right, and I know other places have knives,
but if you go to your gun store, you know
what's gonna happen. You got to buy other stuff. Oh damn,
I ain't no, damn, you could end up he ended
up getting. I love that call from the guy who
said he called his gun store and said, what do
you got that you want to get rid of?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Well, you got to come down. We have this thing here.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
You know, I got a thing. You gotta see it.
And this they're you know, and Michelle, I don't know
if you heard me, because sometimes you're on the phone.
B But I said, you know, look, every story out
there has got stuff there that they've already paid for,
so the cash is gone. They got this gun whatever
it is, sitting there, and they've got the mark up
on it. But at this point they would really like
to just get the money back that they've got into
this thing, right And it's like, Okay, I got a
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thousand bucks into this thing. We're trying to sell it
for fifteen hundred. But if somebody gave me a thousand
dollars right now, I would be happy to get it
out of here and have the cash.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
That thousand buy you something else.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You can take a shut well and think of it
this way. Yet not everything. Are they going to be
able to do that on? I mean, we do not
make money on firearms. It's just we don't.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
There's not a margin.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
People don't understand that. Explain that.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, so there's not a margin there to allow you
to make a bank on selling a firearm. Like you
might think that, you know, a twelve hundred dollars, Oh,
they're probably making four hundred dollars. Not yea, not at all.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I mean probably making fifty to one hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, maybe maybe it's a very slight margin. And so
you know, that's why I say, we got to support
these guys. We got to go in there but three
bucks cheaper online and get their expertise handle the firearms,
and you ask them all the questions, and you know,
like I said, they're standing there trying to make a sale.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
And you go home and.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I'm going to think about it, and you actually go
home and order it online and they have to charge
you thirty five dollars, forty fifty dollars. Who knows what
the transfer fees are. You're not saving anything, and you know, just.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Do them a fever.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
And by the way, let's just say it. If you
go in and ask them questions and look at their guns,
their inventory that they paid money for, and then you
go buy somewhere else, you are very high on the
jerk scale.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Just gonna say jerk, yeah, yeah, jerk yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Well, how come they're not open anymore.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
I'm just going to say that that takes the other
side of it, right.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Tired to golging people. If I'm gun prices probably.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And if you ask them, if they will make a
deal with you, maybe there's something that they can package
up together. Maybe there's a whole thing that you're looking
at and there's something else that you know, maybe they're
making a little bit of money on and they're willing
to let it go because yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Well you know, optics have a better margin than guns do.
So maybe they can say, okay, well tell you what
we can do a red dot and put that in
and we'll come down on the red dot for you.
We'll do a package deal. But it never hurts to
ask you just say, look what you do for me here? Right?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
The worst thing?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Okay, and don't you I don't know, I could be
totally out of school on this, but don't you have
a better shot with a mom and pop company trying
to work a.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Package deal than that. Oh yeah, they're not going to
talk you down.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
And yes they don't care, like nope, they do anything.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
There's also nobody there who actually has the ability or
the authors they That's kind of what I meant.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, yeah, but you know, you're coming up towards the
end of the year. I mean every store has different
year ends of things, but you know, it is a
good time to clear out the old brand new guns
are going to be introduced come end of January February
with Shot Show here, it's going to be a little
while before they're in house. But come March, all the
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new things are there. We know what we want, we
know what we're after. So yeah, if there's something now,
and you know they can package something up, I'm sure
no one's going to say no, you know, unless they
really just can't.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Or the good old days when you'd see it at
shot Show and you could get it in August.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Right right, they just didn't say which August.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yeah, if you're lucky.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, yeah, we've been there.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Yeah, that has changed a lot. I mean now for
the most part, when they introduce something gets available now.
The one that I like, I mean, Ruger was famous
or terrible about it. Way back we're talking thirty years
ago introducing something and it's a year or two before
it comes out or never. But worse, say, but worse
than that is the old several generations back, Taurus would
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introduce a dozen guns and then they would wait to
see which ones got the most orders. The rest of
them they would never make, right they.
Speaker 9 (26:38):
Use all that future or no, no, no idea they
were ever going to make them it's just we would
only make the ones that we get the most orders
and basically just throw them out.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
There to test the waters, which from you know, maybe
it doesn't bother other people. But where it really got
us or me into trouble was as a gun writer,
showing all these and then you immediately go out and
write up all these cool new guns that are vaporware
that don't exist.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
That's no big deal anymore. No, never I see you
with that stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
It's all right, call a custom holster place. It's not
for tours, is it. We have to ficially have it.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Well, But yeah, that's the other side of it.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
These companies they already have this, they already have this
in manufacture. They've already been shooting it, they've been testing it,
they've already sent it out to the Holster people, they've
sent it to the Optic people. They've sent they've sent
it everywhere they can to have all the accessories ready
to go as quickly as possible, if not in coordination
with their release.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
But enough about that, I want to talk about my
new gun.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Oh oh yeah, you got some kind of what was it?
Speaker 5 (27:48):
But daisy?
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Is it a daisy?
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Yeah, it's a day's is the days for sure. Yeah,
my daisy forty five.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Just your typical little forty five, you.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Know, and just when you look at it just looks
like a girl nineteen eleven, big deal, right, But it
is just it's that internal stuff, the difference of the polishing,
the fitting. Every single part and I'm talking about every screw,
every part of it was hand fitted, hand polished. It
just is made to be utterly reliable that you can
(28:19):
bet your life on. But what you get out of
that is accuracy and a I don't know, it's a
smoothness when you shoot it.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
It doesn't ask just a trigger is in nineteen eleven,
So I don't think it's going to be bad.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Well, no, it's better. It's spectaculars what it is awesome.
When I first tried it, it's like, yeah, this is
really good. After the first hundred shots it got better
and it was like, oh, you know, this is not
a duty gun kind of trigger where you're talking five
(28:52):
six pounds. This is probably I was I said three
and a half, but it's probably closer to three. And
you really, when you're trying to shoot fast, you got
to make sure you're back on target or you're gonna
send one off. That's you're not gonna like be dangerous,
but it's not gonna hit exactly where you want, so
you really got to control it. So well, you're what
that means? I have to shoot it a lot.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Cue the violin music, Kennig.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
The problem is that I have spent the last ten
years stocking up on nine Milimetersmo.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
What's the solution there then, Tom?
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, boy, it's just it kind of hurts every time
you think forty five is thirty five to forty cents
around and nine milimeters what twenty two cents around? Right now?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
It's well, they have them make you one in nine,
that's what I was getting at.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Sure you can't, Yeah, that's right. I'll go another twenty years.
I'll be able to do that.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Or you know, it's winter time. There's nothing like reloading
in the winter.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
It's got nothing else to do.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Well inside there you go might as well. You know,
it's funny. I have all the I like to reload,
but I don't reload. Hang on, ammo or it's not
semi out. No, I don't do nines and forty five's
because I just am not a production guy. I mean,
I guess if I got a Dylan or something, I could,
but I've always said, look at twenty three cents a round,
I'm not going to do it. The really cheap AMMO
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is cheap enough. It's like, okay, what's your time worth?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
So do you think it makes a difference with the
level of firearm you have? Probably not.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
We're going to find out because I contacted Black Hills
and I said, all right, send me some of your
good stuff, because otherwise how are you going to know?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Right?
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Because I know, I know the Black Hills AMMA was
really good and accurate, and I was shooting the S
and B says cellular and beloite is it? Which is good.
Some of the really cheap Winchester white Box is just
not that accurate. It goes bang and it's okay for
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
So it does make a difference, Oh.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Yes it does. Oh yes it does. So we're going
to get some Black Hills because if you really want
to find out what your gun will do, she Black
Hills in it. You'll find out.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
There's a new slogan for them.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Well, that's that's what you put yourself up against. Right,
You get a high level firearm. You got to know
what the potential is. So you have to up your
game with the ammunition, which for a lot of people
means they're making their own, which you could easily break
into a Dylan reloader and get the big production off
(31:38):
of that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
But thinking Christmas gifts, aren't you has his covered.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
One for hers?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
She can hold his. Amma, oh yeah, that's gonna go
over really well. It's like they like the husband that
bought his wife a vacuum cleaner for Christmas. Yeah, he'll
be out of ICU at a couple of hours, all right,
So I gotta tell a story. We go out to
the range, well, you know, we go up on the
hill behind the house, actually yesterday, and I've got a
(32:12):
big old cardboard box. Because we're not at a real range,
we can put targets on that, right, and so I
stick three targets on it, and I'm shooting the gun.
The first time I shoot, shooting at the bottom target
and I shoot. It's like, well, what was that? Where
did it go? It's like tore a big old hole
out of the side of the box. Did the tumble?
(32:34):
What happened? We'll shoot another time, shoot another time. There's
a big old hole, like not even close to where
I shot. Okay, what is going on here? And I
shoot several more times and each shot it's like the
bottom of the box is just ripping out. Well, I
forgot that to anchor the box. I dropped a big
rock down in there. So I am shooting this rock
(32:59):
and blowing pieces of bullet pieces of rock through this.
It is tearing up the target. It's like shrapnel going
off every time you shoot. I'm going, well, that's just
just a lousy gun. Make it holes everywhere. Ubby. I
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was so excited to shoot it, I didn't think about
that doesn't work. Yeah, this one has a checkering on
the front of the grip in the back of the grip,
and I actually had another forty five nineteen eleven out
there that has no checker. Its smooth front and back.
What a difference in terms of being able.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
To hold on to it.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Yeah, And you know, especially if you're going to be
shooting like well this classic gunsight, we're gonna shoot for
five days in Arizona, probably be sweaty, and if you
got slick grips, you got a problem.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Right, We'll just being able to acclimate back onto the
target quicker. Yes, you know you've got you've got a
great grip. You don't really because you know, I've shot
guns where it's like okay, you shoot, like all right,
you readjust your grip on it again, shoot yeah, regrip.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yes, I've got friends every time they shoot they regrip
the gun after every shot.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yeah, it's just not fun.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Well, you can't shoot fast if you're having a regrip.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Nope, nope.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
So you got to break yourself of that habit. And
one of the ways to do that is to think,
if you shoot right handed, really really strong left hand,
grip just I mean grip the snot out of it
and never let up. The other, of course, is a drill.
You just you get a little bit closer to the
target and you do pairs, you go pop up, pop up. Well,
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you can't regrip the middle of that. You're just working
on on trying to break yourself with that. It's a
bad habit.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well, even you can get the little adhesive tape like
there's some guns that because of the recoil, you have
to regrip them. And then I can see where you're saying,
it's just a habit of regripping and getting back onto
target again. So, I mean they do make that tape
that you can add onto the firearms to give you
a little extra grippiness or text.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Skateboard skateboard tape.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of tacky.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Once you get your hand on it, it's like, I
don't know if I'll ever let go of this thing,
but it is good, man. Once you get a good
grip on it, you're stuck. Well.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
And it's not just firearms. I mean being in the
archery world. It's that way with bows too, huh. You know,
out there holding on to that stuff and the same
thing you're in tournament and it's sweaty and you know,
you're just shooting, shooting, shooting. It's the same way to
be able to hold on. Now, the grip and everything
is a little bit different with archer. I know, the
(35:51):
boat falls forward, I know, the whole thing, but the
follow through, but being able to actually hold on and
hold it the way that you want to that up
against the you know, up against the palm of the hand.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Yeah. Yeah, So just little something extra, but you don't need.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Well. I'm hoping that my experience will prove to be
inspirational to people who have been thinking, Yeah, I'd love
to do that one of these days, which is one
of the phrases I hate. One of these days, I'll
do you know, you know what, Eventually you're going to die.
It might be Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So and I think your explanation of everything can probably
help people because there is a difference like well, they
you know, they're guns, like a thousand, two thousand, five
thousand dollars, but there's definitely a difference in their performance.
And there's there's the reason, you know, for the price difference,
because they are hand fit. Everything is hand fit.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
And it is true they're expensive, and it is true
in everything that lasts ten percent improvement probably costs one
hundred percent more. Just I don't care what it is.
You're buying a guitar, right, Jim, yep, you know.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yep, well just this, Yeah tolerance.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Car tolerances are tighter, they don't allow as much sloppiness
in him.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah, yep, you're.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Buying somebody's time at that point, And okay, I need
it's going to take an extra thirty hours of working
on this one gun, and it's one hundred dollars an hour.
That's you say, why do it cost that much. That's
why right there, that's the deal. You've got somebody who
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has polished and fitted this thing, and he has literally
spent twenty or thirty hours on this one gun.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
It's their little love child, it is, and now it's.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Mine two months before he orders the nine. Do you
want to bet if.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
You ever get if you ever get this way, we'll
try to shoot it for you and see what we think.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Oh, that sounds like a fun. We could do that
road trip, road.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Trip, road trip. Yes, can we meet somewhere warm.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Or as we say in the plane, turn to the
heading of one eight zero, yes and continue. Well, you
guys have a wonderful and safe Christmas.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yes, merror Christmas. Everybody out there listening. Thank you to
the other folks. That's right, hanakkah yep.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
And thank you to everyone who listens to gun Talk.
We appreciate you, and I guess we can tell people
we also have a whole bunch of new stations coming
on board too.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
We got what it's kind of a thirty more forty
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Speaker 5 (38:41):
I think it's like fifty four more stations. It just started. Awesome,
So you know, are going to be beaming gun Talk
into places where they have been deprived of it for
all these years.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
Why not, you're going to say that you're buying every
listener knife benchmades.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
Both of them, our listeners.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
This, this will be worth it.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
There you go, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
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Speaker 4 (00:55):
That's wrong with that theory.
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Let's see if I touched this thing? Okay, Jim, suys,
what's that sound? How about what's that?
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Speaker 5 (01:05):
Oh? Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
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Speaker 5 (01:07):
Well, first of all, thank you guys for being here.
We will pick up on the backside of that because
it's Christmas time and I am very much appreciative of
my crew because the guys are terrific. But first, let's
go talk with Ed from Saint Louis, Missouri. Hey, Ed,
you're on after show. What's happening? Oh, how are you?
Speaker 7 (01:26):
I've been wanting to call for some time now. I
guess it's a point of curiosity. Uh, I'm wanting to
know about Clint Smith, who wrote for American Handgunner and
probably some other publications. I don't know, I understood. Maybe
it's some medical problems or I don't. I'm not real sure.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Okay, if you would know.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah, I do. Clint is a friend. He is a
lovely wife. Heidi are friends of ours. Uh and Clint
for those who may not know. In top of being
a writer, Clint is one of the firearms trainers, one
of the best farms trainers of the country. He ran
gun site for a number of years under Jeff Cooper
and then he went off, split off and became the
(02:11):
owner and operator of Thunder Ranch down in Texas and
then moved to Oregon. Ran a great operation. And to
say that Clint had health problems as an understatement. Well,
something about being shot multiple times. We'll do that to you,
because he was wounded in Vietnam and that was always there.
Got shot in the neck, so he had stiff neck
and things like that. But Clint so thunder Ranch about
(02:37):
I think two years ago, maybe three years ago, and
he still operated it. And then earlier this year he
and Heidi left. They moved from Oregon and they moved
to the Cody, Wyoming area, And so he's not in
the training business now, and I don't think he's doing
any writing. But he and Hew you're doing fine. I
hear from them occasionally, but they're out in the Cody area.
Speaker 8 (03:00):
Oh okay.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
I really enjoyed his oracles, Sinester. I was just wondering.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
About and we have a really good video with him.
That was one of the very first videos I shot
when we started doing online video almost twenty five years ago,
and I took a camera out there and I said,
you know, Clint, he got a day for me. Yeah,
I stole a day of his time and we shot
(03:26):
a bunch of video. And I didn't know. I was
literally trying to figure out how to work the video cameras.
It was that new but with the thing is great
about that is when you've got people like Clint or
really any of these trainers, you just throw a question
at him, have the camera roll, and they will deliver
a great answer because think about it, that's all they
do all day long is answer these questions and provide information.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
They're great presenters, kind of kind of different than a
lawyer or an engineer. Huh, Tom tough interview, you know.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
And we have lawyers on here all the time, and
there are maybe two or three of them that are
pretty good, and the rest of them are measuring every word,
no doubt, like they're going to be challenged on everything
they say.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
And their exceptions, like like Clackner and this stuff, there's
an exceptions.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah, there areption well, and course he's not talking about
legal things. He might go into that mode if he
was talking about legal issues.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Yeah, can separate the two.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh. Well, let's I gotta grab Terry
because this sounds really I mean, he's in Terry, Mississippi.
Steve and Terry, Mississippi. Hey, Steve, thank you for being here.
Speaker 8 (04:34):
Hey, what's going on, Steve?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Well, this subject you brought up, I got to tell
you I looked at that, and we say, what what
are we talking about here?
Speaker 8 (04:42):
Well, I'm retired, as I started out as a mechanic
and I ended up as a technician at about forty
five years. But these later model, newer vehicles, your glass
breaker won't shedter a door glass. They're like windshields. They
just cracked, they hold together.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
I just looked that up, and you're right, because I
have the glass breakers in my car. The idea of
being just break out the side wind if you need
to get out in the fire or something. You're absolutely right.
They're using laminated glass on the side glass now and
at least glass breakers are not going to work.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
No, that's right. I heard you say that. You know,
a few weeks ago you had one hanging from your mirror,
and I thought, I spell don't know what kind of
view you got. It may not work, or you know,
I did not.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Do you have any idea when they started making that change.
Speaker 8 (05:30):
I really don't, But I know some of the buicks
that I worked at the dealerships, I think it's been
in the probably at least ten years that they were
like that. We have customers come in with the you know,
cracks in the sad windows, and they would. They were
like that for a long time. So that's when I
realized it.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Okay, i'm looking online here it says uh as far
back as twenty nineteen they started. So yeah, you're right,
this hasn't been going on quite a while.
Speaker 8 (05:56):
Yeah, the last one to give you an well, you
know what that means.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I got to carry a sledgehammer with me in my
car houts or something to get.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
Or shoot them out or something.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Oh, trust me, I have thought of that. I thought
I have a glass breaker, a nine millimeter glass breaker.
Speaker 8 (06:12):
With me at all times that will work.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Yeah, now you're still you know, it'll punch a hole,
but you're still gonna have to kick the glass out
because I have shot through a lot of carb glass
and when shields let me, you can shoot lots of
holes in them, but it doesn't fall out. You gotta
like take an axe to it and rip it out
or kick it out. So people need to know if
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you shoot a hole in it, you're still gonna have
to kick that thing out to try to get out
of there.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
You're exactly right.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Well, thank you for the heads up. I did not
know that. And now my little bitty glass breaker just
is going to look terribly amneemic and thinking, sorry, dude,
you're going away. Man, it really won't be of any
value to you, will.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
It Probably not unless you've got an older vehicle.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Wow, okay, well, you know, I hate to find out
that I've been wrong for so long, but this is
not the first time. So there you go.
Speaker 9 (07:06):
Better to find out now than That's right, boy, that
is so true.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
Save.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Thank you. I appreciate the call, sir.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Oh man known I could have gotten you a hatchet
for Christmas.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
So what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You run up the car to save somebody to say, hey,
if your car is just two years older, I could help.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
That's right, we would have helped you out. Well, you know,
I do have actually a little bit hatchet thingy that
it's a glass breaker, but the same deal. I don't
know if you've ever tried to poke holes or break
limited glass, but it just pokes holes. I mean I
literally have shot through windshields with a machine gun and
(07:45):
it still doesn't break out. You're just punching lots of
little holes in there, and the only way you get
it out is and the fireman will do this. They'll
take one of their crash access and punch it through
there and then start pulling and ripping and trying to
yank the whole thing out. It's tough.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So the other thing is too, is where do most
people carry this emergency kit or totes or whatever it
might be? Right, I mean, if you have a pickup
and it's in the back of the truck, that doesn't
do you much good when you're in a cab.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
No, It's got to be where you can get to it.
And it's a good point. I mean, I keep mine
in the back of a large suv is like over
the second row, in the third row, and it's way
back there. It's just you know, basically, if I get
stranded somewhere or off the road, yeah, I could probably
go back and get it. But if the vehicle turns
(08:40):
over or something like that, I'm not getting that emergency kid.
We always say in aviation, the only thing you're gonna
if you have this great, big survival kit, it's in
the back of the plane. That's camping gear. That's not
emergency gear. You know, the only thing you're gonna have
in an accident is what's on you. And it's a
good point.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Something think about for sure.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Well, so I've got my tourniquet on me. I've got
at least one package of gauze, that compressed gauze that
you can use really well. Basically you shelve that stuff
into a hole if somebody's bleeding, and then I've got
the pistol, the knife and flashlights. And you know, honestly,
it's that old deal of you. You can't do anything
(09:23):
that guarantees one hundred percent safety. All you doing is
trying to mitigate the risk and hoping it works right.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Most of the time, I think of glass breakers being
used for like a vehicular accident of some sort.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
But people who may potentially be pulled under water.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Obviously, that's the time that you really really and it
needs to be within a hand's reach and you need
to be rehearsed.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Unfortunately, with how.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
To choose that. Yeah, you know, I wonder if the
moon roof in these cars is laminating glass gosh, I
would think probably. So make it tough, yeah, make it
make it sturdy.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
My antiquit now antiquated glass break. I have three of them.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
If you want to each car, it's actually got a
razor built into the handle for cutting seatbelts too.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, that's the same thing that I get several years
ago for Christmas gifts.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
But now like, dang, what your car have?
Speaker 6 (10:21):
What your's your car?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Now? You know what was see? Now you have a
legal obligation to contact everyone you gave those glass breakers too,
to say, by the way, you need to return those.
We have a recall going because they're not going to
work anymore.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Yeah, we're buy an older car.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
There's Yeah, you're all required by a fifteen year old car.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Just see going to a glass place. Yeah, I really
like this car. It's a twenty twenty three. Could you
change the passenger in front driver window passer window to
non laminated please?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Yeah, good luck with that. I just had to replace
the windshield on my uh expedition. Yeah. Fortunately I've got
the glass cover and insurance because it's a thousand dollars
for a windshiel.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Oh boy, I was gonna say twelve hundred bucks.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah, yeah, well it's twelve or thirteen hundred if you
add in the recalibration for the cameras.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And all that stuff, right, and we've all got the
the UV rays that come through the windshield and you
know antennas and good gravy. There's everything, yes, oh yeah,
there's all sorts of stuff built in there.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yeah, this crazy stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Tom Henry let me a note. When he was in
his jeep wreck. He said the glasses were removed for him.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Oh it was the automatic system. But I like how
you know jeep it thinks of everything. Yeah, in case
of an accident, we will eject the windshield for you.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Oh god, I like that. Well, I'm glad that he
called in. I'm glad Steve called in. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Oh hold on second here, let me get this email up.
I just got you know, Eric, you called in. He
got the big buck. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Well, two
pieces of information. He sent me an email he says
for the disabled veteran from LA. It's actually I think
it was an organ, but he said, the Heroes New
Hope Foundation will take disabled veterans from across the whole nation.
(12:14):
No calls to the veteran whatsoever. So just go to
Heroesnew Hope dot org or their Facebook page Heroesnew Hope
dot org. So that's the one piece of information. The
other piece of information he didn't share online is the
way he signed his email respectfully, Master Sergeant Eric martz
(12:36):
Us Army retired. This is not just your average everyday soldier.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So we need Charlie and Kusby to check that out
because he was.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Looking for budget training.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
He may not listen to the after show, so somebody
does and they can track him down. Charlie and Cousbay.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Here's his phone.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It's right, let's not do that.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well he was, he was looking for training, right, So
they do training or do they take.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
I don't see that, but you know, this is the
kind of place that I would think you'd contact them
and they say, well, we don't do that, but let's
see what we can do.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yes, you know, because Mosburg was highly tied to that.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
What was the name of their foundation.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Hundred American Veterans of Field.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yes, yes, and that might be you know.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
That's a that's a possibility too. In fact u our
good friend Tom Taylor, who was is typical of what
happens in the farmers world, right, we talked about this
all the time. Was at Smith and Weston, then was
at Remington, then was at sig and now he's running
(13:54):
c Z was there for that's right, you're right, you're right,
And we talked I mean We laughed because in this
our industry, I always say, people don't leave, they move around,
and they do it. We were like crazy, but nobody
leaves because it's just such a cool industry to be in.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I'm up for a new challenge another company.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
That's right, We're do that.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Okay, that is something totally different.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
I think firearms, right, I'm gonna go shotguns this time.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
It is.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's hard, even like on the web side of the world,
where you have people that call in on your store
because like, uh, we met you were here last year before.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
That's right, you were loophole last year and then and
now and now you're doing Browning?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
What that scratch your head? Because and then it happens
all the time. Yeah, and what do you mean they
took over this other company?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
What?
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
All the time change going on.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
In our I've been looking at this new smith. Any
chance next month you might be We're all I don't
know working there.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Maybe I mean Barretta. Barretta now owns Steiner. Yes, that's
exactly right. You know, Bretta has Socko and Bretta actually
a whole bunch of companies of Bretta owns.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And there's that through that's through a lot of stock
and ruger.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
That's the whole interesting, weird story. I have not heard
a peep about that.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, it's been quiet, hasn't it.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
And I'm guessing that you know, they're now at the
lawyer stage where we're all talking about what's going.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
On in that whole deal, and nobody else.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Is well, yes, beause they've been they have been told.
Nobody says nothing, right, yep, I know nothing. All right,
I'll tell you what quick break here, we'll come back.
We'll talk a little bit of Christmasy staff.
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Speaker 5 (16:27):
All right, back with you. It is two days from
Christmas or a week from Christmas. I just got my
email alert from Bench Made Knives only two shopping days.
I thought I beat you to.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
It, And what did you why what?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Well? What listen to her earlier?
Speaker 6 (16:45):
I got two of everything, Tom, I don't know how to.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
All ship to gym and then nobody gets anything.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Wait, wait, it's so lightweight. Didn't even know it was there.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
They were supposed to be party favors for the crew,
and gym ends up with everything.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Well, we had those little blower party flowers.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Yeah, he's giving everybody a knife. I'm sorry, he's giving
everyone in a window glass breaker.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Yeah, that's real lot because it means so much to me.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Guess what, I've got a lot of used, slightly used
glass breakers here.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
You need to get rid of one owner.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
One owner. All right, So Jim's been playing with this
new toy. No, we're not talking about that. We're talking
about his knife sharp.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Oh my god, is this thing cool? This is the
cool It's cool. It's the coolest home gadget I have now.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Sometimes like, yeah, you know, you realize that when you
when you get this, you're going to be sharpening every
knife in the house.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
I'm like, yeah, I'm sure they don't need it, and
a couple do and it'll be andy. I put it together.
I got the twenty knives down and opening drawers, and
see we have any knives that we never even used yet,
maybe I could sharpen just I got sharpened.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Everything he's used to be butter knives.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Look at it anymore? Nomore.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
What's they called the Warhog? The Warhog knife sharpener?
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Yep, awesome. Check them out because.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
It is the It is the coolest thing. I mean.
Actually I bought several of them at Johnny Derry's place
in San Antonio when I went through there or a
year or so ago. They had them there and I
just bought them out and went those are the coolest knife.
And I have had a challenging experience with knife sharpeners,
let's just put it that way. And it is to say,
(18:30):
like the original wetstones, you know, forget it. I'm just
rounding off edges because I can't hold an edge or
the angle correct.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
So can't do that every thing.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Well, and of course the problem is somebody else.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
You know, if you have somebody else in your household
that sharpens and they don't hold it at the same angle.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, now there's all kinds of issues, and the safety issue.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I mean, we don't want to you know, we want
to help out the Red Cross but not accidentally.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
We want to donate, but not in the zip loot.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
This is this is right right after you take the
Stop the Bleed class and you go sharp in your knives, right.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
You have the quick clot don't Jim stipped at Kenzie
for nothing?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
All right, So you got the the Warlock knife sharper,
which is very cool. Then you got the bench made knives.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Well actually too nice because we got that one the
week before.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
You got the little start. You got the starter knife
last week.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Yeah, Spiderko, it was just that.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, it was a teaser. It was an appetizer. We
didn't even know.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
And the beautiful thing was is that Tom and Michelle
used the knife they got last week to open up.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
You're a very generous man, my friend.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Thank you, thanks so much.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
It's fun. Those are just way too cool.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
It was probably the most practical gift I've ever got.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
You know. It's it's amazing how often you end up
using a pocket knife just you know, if nothing else,
just for the Amazon boxes.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Yeah that's my life.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, these are these are nice the ones that you sent,
because they're very very lightweight, very thin blade. I mean,
it's just it's just a nice one. To have on
you not know what that you know, not know that
it's there, I guess.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
On my on my little hunting bag, I have knives
and I have a fire starter, and again kind of
like your little the emergency prep kit, right right, I
mean I have all that kind of stuff there in
that so I might have to look at what I
have in there and trade some things around.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Well yeah, and that's not a bad thought. You need
to go back into first aid kits and mercy kits
occasionally just to analyze, Okay, is everything in there where
it should be? Or have I stolen something from it
that I needed?
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Right right?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Yeah? Oh I need a fire starter, I need a thing,
Oh yes, it's not there anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
And medications and saves, anointments, they all go out of dates.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Cash they do they time out.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Keep cash in there for an you go bag, but
I need fifty bucks, Pala.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Keep the pennies.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Those knives that you took out of your your gool
bag and shot It's like, you know it's been retired.
As he steps out and benchmade comes in, his buddies
are like, don't take it so tough, cherry you lost
out to a benchmade.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Would you expect the.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Beach made although you won't need it now, but bench
made does offer free sharpery you send your knife back
to then those sharp they do for a lifetime deal.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
But for you guys, and made in the u s a.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
And and made in the USA.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, it's a sarah Coat like blade. I've never seen
that before.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Powder coat.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Yeah, that's good. Cool.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
So thanks man, So there you go.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
So and I was thinking, what am I going to
get somebody from last minute? Your local gun store has knives.
Almost every gun store has some knives of some sort.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And I said, if there, if they're a good caliber store.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Caliber, the boom.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
But you're right, and I know other places have knives,
but if you go to your gun store, you know
what's gonna happen. You got to buy other stuff. Oh damn,
I ain't no, damn, you could end up he ended
up getting. I love that call from the guy who
said he called his gun store and said, what do
you got that you want to get rid of?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Well, you got to come down. We have this thing here.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
You know, I got a thing. You gotta see it.
And this they're you know, and Michelle, I don't know
if you heard me, because sometimes you're on the phone.
B But I said, you know, look, every story out
there has got stuff there that they've already paid for,
so the cash is gone. They got this gun whatever
it is, sitting there, and they've got the mark up
on it. But at this point they would really like
to just get the money back that they've got into
this thing, right And it's like, Okay, I got a
(22:47):
thousand bucks into this thing. We're trying to sell it
for fifteen hundred. But if somebody gave me a thousand
dollars right now, I would be happy to get it
out of here and have the cash.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
That thousand buy you something else.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You can take a shut well and think of it
this way. Yet not everything. Are they going to be
able to do that on? I mean, we do not
make money on firearms. It's just we don't.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
There's not a margin.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
People don't understand that. Explain that.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, so there's not a margin there to allow you
to make a bank on selling a firearm. Like you
might think that, you know, a twelve hundred dollars, Oh,
they're probably making four hundred dollars. Not yea, not at all.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I mean probably making fifty to one hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, maybe maybe it's a very slight margin. And so
you know, that's why I say, we got to support
these guys. We got to go in there but three
bucks cheaper online and get their expertise handle the firearms,
and you ask them all the questions, and you know,
like I said, they're standing there trying to make a sale.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
And you go home and.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I'm going to think about it, and you actually go
home and order it online and they have to charge
you thirty five dollars, forty fifty dollars. Who knows what
the transfer fees are. You're not saving anything, and you know, just.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Do them a fever.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
And by the way, let's just say it. If you
go in and ask them questions and look at their guns,
their inventory that they paid money for, and then you
go buy somewhere else, you are very high on the
jerk scale.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Just gonna say jerk, yeah, yeah, jerk yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Well, how come they're not open anymore.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
I'm just going to say that that takes the other
side of it, right.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Tired to golging people. If I'm gun prices probably.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And if you ask them, if they will make a
deal with you, maybe there's something that they can package
up together. Maybe there's a whole thing that you're looking
at and there's something else that you know, maybe they're
making a little bit of money on and they're willing
to let it go because yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Well you know, optics have a better margin than guns do.
So maybe they can say, okay, well tell you what
we can do a red dot and put that in
and we'll come down on the red dot for you.
We'll do a package deal. But it never hurts to
ask you just say, look what you do for me here? Right?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
The worst thing?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Okay, and don't you I don't know, I could be
totally out of school on this, but don't you have
a better shot with a mom and pop company trying
to work a.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Package deal than that. Oh yeah, they're not going to
talk you down.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
And yes they don't care, like nope, they do anything.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
There's also nobody there who actually has the ability or
the authors they That's kind of what I meant.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, yeah, but you know, you're coming up towards the
end of the year. I mean every store has different
year ends of things, but you know, it is a
good time to clear out the old brand new guns
are going to be introduced come end of January February
with Shot Show here, it's going to be a little
while before they're in house. But come March, all the
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new things are there. We know what we want, we
know what we're after. So yeah, if there's something now,
and you know they can package something up, I'm sure
no one's going to say no, you know, unless they
really just can't.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Or the good old days when you'd see it at
shot Show and you could get it in August.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Right right, they just didn't say which August.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yeah, if you're lucky.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, yeah, we've been there.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Yeah, that has changed a lot. I mean now for
the most part, when they introduce something gets available now.
The one that I like, I mean, Ruger was famous
or terrible about it. Way back we're talking thirty years
ago introducing something and it's a year or two before
it comes out or never. But worse, say, but worse
than that is the old several generations back, Taurus would
(26:28):
introduce a dozen guns and then they would wait to
see which ones got the most orders. The rest of
them they would never make, right they.
Speaker 9 (26:38):
Use all that future or no, no, no idea they
were ever going to make them it's just we would
only make the ones that we get the most orders
and basically just throw them out.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
There to test the waters, which from you know, maybe
it doesn't bother other people. But where it really got
us or me into trouble was as a gun writer,
showing all these and then you immediately go out and
write up all these cool new guns that are vaporware
that don't exist.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
That's no big deal anymore. No, never I see you
with that stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
It's all right, call a custom holster place. It's not
for tours, is it. We have to ficially have it.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Well, But yeah, that's the other side of it.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
These companies they already have this, they already have this
in manufacture. They've already been shooting it, they've been testing it,
they've already sent it out to the Holster people, they've
sent it to the Optic people. They've sent they've sent
it everywhere they can to have all the accessories ready
to go as quickly as possible, if not in coordination
with their release.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
But enough about that, I want to talk about my
new gun.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Oh oh yeah, you got some kind of what was it?
Speaker 5 (27:48):
But daisy?
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Is it a daisy?
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Yeah, it's a day's is the days for sure. Yeah,
my daisy forty five.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Just your typical little forty five, you.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Know, and just when you look at it just looks
like a girl nineteen eleven, big deal, right, But it
is just it's that internal stuff, the difference of the polishing,
the fitting. Every single part and I'm talking about every screw,
every part of it was hand fitted, hand polished. It
just is made to be utterly reliable that you can
(28:19):
bet your life on. But what you get out of
that is accuracy and a I don't know, it's a
smoothness when you shoot it.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
It doesn't ask just a trigger is in nineteen eleven,
So I don't think it's going to be bad.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Well, no, it's better. It's spectaculars what it is awesome.
When I first tried it, it's like, yeah, this is
really good. After the first hundred shots it got better
and it was like, oh, you know, this is not
a duty gun kind of trigger where you're talking five
(28:52):
six pounds. This is probably I was I said three
and a half, but it's probably closer to three. And
you really, when you're trying to shoot fast, you got
to make sure you're back on target or you're gonna
send one off. That's you're not gonna like be dangerous,
but it's not gonna hit exactly where you want, so
you really got to control it. So well, you're what
that means? I have to shoot it a lot.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Cue the violin music, Kennig.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
The problem is that I have spent the last ten
years stocking up on nine Milimetersmo.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
What's the solution there then, Tom?
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, boy, it's just it kind of hurts every time
you think forty five is thirty five to forty cents
around and nine milimeters what twenty two cents around? Right now?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
It's well, they have them make you one in nine,
that's what I was getting at.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Sure you can't, Yeah, that's right. I'll go another twenty years.
I'll be able to do that.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Or you know, it's winter time. There's nothing like reloading
in the winter.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
It's got nothing else to do.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Well inside there you go might as well. You know,
it's funny. I have all the I like to reload,
but I don't reload. Hang on, ammo or it's not
semi out. No, I don't do nines and forty five's
because I just am not a production guy. I mean,
I guess if I got a Dylan or something, I could,
but I've always said, look at twenty three cents a round,
I'm not going to do it. The really cheap AMMO
(30:23):
is cheap enough. It's like, okay, what's your time worth?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
So do you think it makes a difference with the
level of firearm you have? Probably not.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
We're going to find out because I contacted Black Hills
and I said, all right, send me some of your
good stuff, because otherwise how are you going to know?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Right?
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Because I know, I know the Black Hills AMMA was
really good and accurate, and I was shooting the S
and B says cellular and beloite is it? Which is good.
Some of the really cheap Winchester white Box is just
not that accurate. It goes bang and it's okay for
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
So it does make a difference, Oh.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Yes it does. Oh yes it does. So we're going
to get some Black Hills because if you really want
to find out what your gun will do, she Black
Hills in it. You'll find out.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
There's a new slogan for them.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Well, that's that's what you put yourself up against. Right,
You get a high level firearm. You got to know
what the potential is. So you have to up your
game with the ammunition, which for a lot of people
means they're making their own, which you could easily break
into a Dylan reloader and get the big production off
(31:38):
of that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
But thinking Christmas gifts, aren't you has his covered.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
One for hers?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
She can hold his. Amma, oh yeah, that's gonna go
over really well. It's like they like the husband that
bought his wife a vacuum cleaner for Christmas. Yeah, he'll
be out of ICU at a couple of hours, all right,
So I gotta tell a story. We go out to
the range, well, you know, we go up on the
hill behind the house, actually yesterday, and I've got a
(32:12):
big old cardboard box. Because we're not at a real range,
we can put targets on that, right, and so I
stick three targets on it, and I'm shooting the gun.
The first time I shoot, shooting at the bottom target
and I shoot. It's like, well, what was that? Where
did it go? It's like tore a big old hole
out of the side of the box. Did the tumble?
(32:34):
What happened? We'll shoot another time, shoot another time. There's
a big old hole, like not even close to where
I shot. Okay, what is going on here? And I
shoot several more times and each shot it's like the
bottom of the box is just ripping out. Well, I
forgot that to anchor the box. I dropped a big
rock down in there. So I am shooting this rock
(32:59):
and blowing pieces of bullet pieces of rock through this.
It is tearing up the target. It's like shrapnel going
off every time you shoot. I'm going, well, that's just
just a lousy gun. Make it holes everywhere. Ubby. I
(33:20):
was so excited to shoot it, I didn't think about
that doesn't work. Yeah, this one has a checkering on
the front of the grip in the back of the grip,
and I actually had another forty five nineteen eleven out
there that has no checker. Its smooth front and back.
What a difference in terms of being able.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
To hold on to it.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Yeah, And you know, especially if you're going to be
shooting like well this classic gunsight, we're gonna shoot for
five days in Arizona, probably be sweaty, and if you
got slick grips, you got a problem.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Right, We'll just being able to acclimate back onto the
target quicker. Yes, you know you've got you've got a
great grip. You don't really because you know, I've shot
guns where it's like okay, you shoot, like all right,
you readjust your grip on it again, shoot yeah, regrip.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yes, I've got friends every time they shoot they regrip
the gun after every shot.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yeah, it's just not fun.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Well, you can't shoot fast if you're having a regrip.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Nope, nope.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
So you got to break yourself of that habit. And
one of the ways to do that is to think,
if you shoot right handed, really really strong left hand,
grip just I mean grip the snot out of it
and never let up. The other, of course, is a drill.
You just you get a little bit closer to the
target and you do pairs, you go pop up, pop up. Well,
(34:47):
you can't regrip the middle of that. You're just working
on on trying to break yourself with that. It's a
bad habit.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well, even you can get the little adhesive tape like
there's some guns that because of the recoil, you have
to regrip them. And then I can see where you're saying,
it's just a habit of regripping and getting back onto
target again. So, I mean they do make that tape
that you can add onto the firearms to give you
a little extra grippiness or text.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Skateboard skateboard tape.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of tacky.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Once you get your hand on it, it's like, I
don't know if I'll ever let go of this thing,
but it is good, man. Once you get a good
grip on it, you're stuck. Well.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
And it's not just firearms. I mean being in the
archery world. It's that way with bows too, huh. You know,
out there holding on to that stuff and the same
thing you're in tournament and it's sweaty and you know,
you're just shooting, shooting, shooting. It's the same way to
be able to hold on. Now, the grip and everything
is a little bit different with archer. I know, the
(35:51):
boat falls forward, I know, the whole thing, but the
follow through, but being able to actually hold on and
hold it the way that you want to that up
against the you know, up against the palm of the hand.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Yeah. Yeah, So just little something extra, but you don't need.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Well. I'm hoping that my experience will prove to be
inspirational to people who have been thinking, Yeah, I'd love
to do that one of these days, which is one
of the phrases I hate. One of these days, I'll
do you know, you know what, Eventually you're going to die.
It might be Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So and I think your explanation of everything can probably
help people because there is a difference like well, they
you know, they're guns, like a thousand, two thousand, five
thousand dollars, but there's definitely a difference in their performance.
And there's there's the reason, you know, for the price difference,
because they are hand fit. Everything is hand fit.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
And it is true they're expensive, and it is true
in everything that lasts ten percent improvement probably costs one
hundred percent more. Just I don't care what it is.
You're buying a guitar, right, Jim, yep, you know.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yep, well just this, Yeah tolerance.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Car tolerances are tighter, they don't allow as much sloppiness
in him.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah, yep, you're.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Buying somebody's time at that point, And okay, I need
it's going to take an extra thirty hours of working
on this one gun, and it's one hundred dollars an hour.
That's you say, why do it cost that much. That's
why right there, that's the deal. You've got somebody who
(37:35):
has polished and fitted this thing, and he has literally
spent twenty or thirty hours on this one gun.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
It's their little love child, it is, and now it's.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Mine two months before he orders the nine. Do you
want to bet if.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
You ever get if you ever get this way, we'll
try to shoot it for you and see what we think.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Oh, that sounds like a fun. We could do that
road trip, road.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Trip, road trip. Yes, can we meet somewhere warm.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Or as we say in the plane, turn to the
heading of one eight zero, yes and continue. Well, you
guys have a wonderful and safe Christmas.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yes, merror Christmas. Everybody out there listening. Thank you to
the other folks. That's right, hanakkah yep.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
And thank you to everyone who listens to gun Talk.
We appreciate you, and I guess we can tell people
we also have a whole bunch of new stations coming
on board too.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
We got what it's kind of a thirty more forty
fifty more.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
I think it's like fifty four more stations. It just started. Awesome,
So you know, are going to be beaming gun Talk
into places where they have been deprived of it for
all these years.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
Why not, you're going to say that you're buying every
listener knife benchmades.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
Both of them, our listeners.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
This, this will be worth it.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
There you go, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Take care, guys, All right, take care. We'll catch you
next time for the gun Talk after show
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