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-- Paul Markel, from Student Of The Gun, explode the myth of the Shoot Me First Vest type of cover garment.
-- Four things to have for personal protection every time you leave home.
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-- Paul Markel, from Student Of The Gun, explode the myth of the Shoot Me First Vest type of cover garment.
-- Four things to have for personal protection every time you leave home.
-- The Gun Talk Scout Rifle continues to surprise buyers with its looks and accuracy. Available at guntalkscout.com.
Gun Talk 08.24.25 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right, we are back with you. I'm Tom Gresham.
This is Gun Talking. Let's talk about guns and all
things guns. If you want to be a part of this,
you can call me eight six six Talk Gun or
Tom Talk Gun. It is always so much fun to
talk to. We have several friends who really look at
things differently. Our next guest is definitely one of those,
(00:34):
Paul Markle, who is the Student of the Gun guy.
He started the Student of the Gun. It is the
radio show, it's an online place, it's a video, it's
actually all sorts of training. Paul Markle, thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Man, Well, thank you very much for having me. It's
been too long, it has.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And you don't have a way of looking at things.
You don't mind identifying the sacred cows and just slaughtering
them right there in front of everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Man, Well, sometimes that's my job to do. You know
what they call me?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
They call me?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
The pinpand of America because this country needs a slap.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
There you go. I like it.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Now, let's say marine police officer, training officer. There's just
a lot of stuff. You've been a firearms instructor for
three or more decades, now, see it done, it been there,
all of that, and it's basically you've been able to
boil things down to what do you need to know?
And what is all this other junk that's out there.
(01:36):
It's sometimes a full time job just to try to
put down.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Some of the nonsen you say online, didn't it?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh my lord? It's crazy how things that were being
regurgitated in gunshops when I was eighteen years old, I
see it online today and I think to myself, how
is this not dead yet? How? I guess it must
be like that with every you know, field of endeavor.
(02:06):
But boy, in the gun industry, we love to regurgitate
stuff without thinking.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
We do. We have our myths, our old wives tales.
All right.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You just recently rode to one of it was just
I said, okay, we got to talk about this one.
That is the use of the self defense vest, the
photographer's vest, the cover garment, whatever that the online pundits
love to call the shoot me first vest What is
that all about?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well, I got a little bit hacked off this last
week because a friend of mine passed away and they
posted a picture of him online and he was wearing
his khaki one of those things you remember when iotack
was a thing clothing. Well, he had his eotac clothing
vest on, and of course the the random internet person
(02:59):
had to jump in his well, you know, they called
those to shoot me first or uh. I was like, okay,
I gotta address this, so I said. So self control
did not get the best of me, as it did
with Doc Holliday, but I said, I said, sorry, can
(03:19):
you please name one single instance where an armed robber
burst in and before committing their robbery, instead surveyed the
the victims or the helpless masses and decided to assassinate
a person based on their mode of dress And of
(03:40):
course didn't have he didn't have that there.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
No, no, they're just they're just regurgitating stuff they've heard
and they want to sound cool. But I put you know,
the deal is they got to sound cool by putting
someone else down. It doesn't do anything to elevate them.
So they just have to try to reduce somebody else.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, And you know the funny thing is is I
was a photographer back when we used to use this
stuff called film. Do you remember that it came in
little canisters and when you carried your camera around you
had a bunch of things, successories and extra lenses and
(04:18):
all you were carrying a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, we had the photographer's vest. We all had a vest.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yes, yes, you had this brown vest you had. It
was full of pockets and you put all that stuff
in it. Well then lo and behold, the I d
PA came along and they said, hey, if you want
to compete, you have to wear a cover garment. And
then almost overnight, the the shooting accessory companies started producing
(04:45):
these vests. I mean, I'm sure you remember.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
That I got.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I probably have four or five of them, and I
will tell you, Paul, I wear those on a fairly
regular basis. And I know, people go, oh really, I said,
you know, I have never ever had somebody say, well,
are you wearing a vest? Because you're caring? Nobody even
notices and cares. It's just it's a handy thing. It's
like a guy's purse, except you wear it, and now
(05:10):
it's become not a photographer's vest but a travel vest
because people wear them when they travel.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And it's like, who are we hiding from? Are we
hiding from the bad guys? Or do we think we're
you know, I hear people's spout or you should never
wear something like that because of the gray maund and
you need to be the gray.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
You got to be the gray. Many gotta be invisible.
It's like, okay, great. Let me just say when I
went out of the house this morning, I thought, Okay,
what am I going to wear a concealed today. I
put on a golf shirt and I keep it untucked,
and I've got a full size nine and a mag
pouch on the other side.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Wearing my gun in a three.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
O'clock position in an outside the waistband holster and a
golf shirt untuck takes care of the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Where you're a gray man man.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Are I? I never knew that that's cool. I have
graduated to great man status.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
But the thing is it doesn't stop. It didn't stop
with the vest. It went from the vest to the
fanny pack, and then the fanny pack to tactical pants.
Oh you should never wear practical plants because they mark
you as a gun carrier. It's like, dude, you want
to go crazy. I guess now we were not allowed
to wear these floral print Hawaiian shirts. Oh that's right, yeah,
(06:35):
because they mark you as a gun carrier. Well, I
guess you know.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
We can put that to bed and say, look, it
doesn't really matter what you wear. It's really more about
how you conduct yourself and when and you know the
drill when you first start carrying, everybody does the same thing.
They're touching it all the time. Stop doing that.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And if you just put your leave it there, you
wouldn't it wouldn't be this hot rocks that you're constantly.
Just wear your gun all the time habitually. You won't
regret it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
You do after it takes it all like a week
or two, and you get to where it's just, oh, yes,
it only feels weird that you're not wearing it, because
if you put it on every day, every time you
go somewhere, the only time it bothers you is when
you don't have it on.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
That's where you should be your mindset. You should be
uncomfortable psychologically if you don't have a gun attach to
you there.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You know, it's a great point when I there have
been times when I think, well, I'm just going to
such and such do I really need this gun today?
And then I stop myself and give myself my own
little slap and go, Okay, dummy. If you go to
the local store where you think nothing's going to happen,
and something does happen, and you know that you are
(07:53):
trained and pretty good at this and you didn't have
your gun, you would regret that for the rest of
your life, no matter how long that life lasts.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Oh yeah, absolutely. And you don't get to decide. That's
what people on The Good People On We talked about
mirror thinking years and years ago. But people in our
world we like to think that our actions can affect
and change what goes on around us. You can't decide
whether the maniac is going to walk into a target
(08:26):
or Walmart. I mean we just had two instances, one
in our target, one in a Walmart where maniacs just
walked in and started killing innocent people in the middle
of the day. You can't decide to stop them. You
can't do anything to make that not happen. The only
thing you can do is decide that you will be
prepared in the eventuality that something like that happens.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, and part of that mirror thinking is projecting out well,
it wouldn't be rational or reasonable. There'd be no reason
for somebody to go to Walmart and start shooting people.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Why would in by do that?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And you've got to stop thinking that way and realize
that these people are mentally not there. There's something wrong
with them, and some of them, they really are there
to kill people. That's what they're there to do. And
there's nearly no other world. Gee, why are they doing that? No,
they're there because they want to kill people, and their
people there, that's all they need.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You know, serial killers have always justified their behavior. The
FBI interviews serial killers and all of them they have
a mental justification for their behavior. So stop trying to
change how the world out acts or behaves and instead
focus on what you can control.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
All right, we're talking with Paul Markle, a student of
the gun. Where do they find out we're gonna come back.
We're going to hold you over this break here. We've
got to talk about more stuff. But to find out
more about what you're doing and where they can get
the training you have.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Where do they go for that?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well, we're really focusing hard on home study, something that's
accessible to every single person. And as a matter of fact, Tom,
if you're if your listeners would like to go to
so otgu dot com, that's Sam for Shooting the student
a University. If they use the promo code gun Talk
when they sign up for any of our home study
we'll give them fifteen percent off their tuition.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Well, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Student of the Gun University, so otgu dot com.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
We're talking with Paul markl. Hey, Paul, don't go anywhere.
We come back.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I want to talk about what y'all to have on
you and inside your head when you walk out of
your house.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And some other of the lessons that you teach. Don't
go far. Gun Talk will be right back.
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Speaker 2 (13:09):
Alright back with you, we're talking with Paul Marker from
Student of the Gun and so tgu dot com and
he's offering a fifty percent discount if you put in
gun talk in the code for some of the fine
training they're doing. Paul, you've done a lot of writing
on this. You've got some great lessons. You have some
real strong opinions of things. I was just online and
(13:32):
telling somebody something about the four Rules of Gun Safety
and they're going, well, don't you think the four Rules
of Gun Safety ought to be updated now? And I went, no,
So what do you think there?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Well? There we do a plus one? Okay, yes, as
you know, Jeff Cooper went up to Mount SINAI came
down with two tablets. There was four rules, and there's
no reason to add to those. However, there's one and
it's kind of missing, and that is drop all fumbled guns. Oh,
(14:08):
if gravity gets a hold of it, let it go, yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Right, let the earth claim it.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
The deal is for those who don't know, and we've
tried this over and over again. If it hits the ground,
it's almost it's just almost never. Is it going to
go off? Almost never? If you try to catch it.
I would say there's about a one in three chance
you're going to stick a finger or a thumb in
the trigger guard and pull the trigger.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yes, people have died catching falling guns. This is very serious,
and you have to pre program the student before that
moment happens. You can't expect a student in a one
quarter of a second time frame to make a logical,
thoughtful decision. They're going to behave exactly as they've been
(14:54):
pushing it to behave.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Sure, you're gonna try to catch it. It snipped out
of your hands, You're gonna try to catch it like
you would anything else. You're hot, you're sweating, and at
the range for a while, you're tired and you fumble
and the gun gets out of your hand during a
draw and you reach out to grab it. No, just
let it go, Let it hit the ground, and then
when it's safe to do so, then you can pick
it up.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Right, So you have to You've got to address that
at the very beginning. Man, that's part of our safety briefing.
We're like, if you fumble a gun, let it go
and everything will be fine. However, if you fumble it
and snatch at it, we're going to have a problem there.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
You go, all right, So let's talk about what you
need to have with you when you step out of
your house. You're going to be one of these prepared people.
You wrote something recently about that you kind of got
these four different things. The thing I like is that
the first thing you talked about wasn't the actually gear
at all, It was mindset.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well, your mindset has to be absolutely spot on. You
have to be thinking like an armed citizen, and as
we discussed her in the previous segment, you have to
be thinking, I cannot change what happens around me. I
can't change who walks into the grocery store or the
movie theater. I can't change it, but I can make
a decision as to how well be prepared. You know,
(16:08):
you can't if somebody were to pull in your driveway
right now, get out, try and break in your house.
You can't stop them from happening, but you can be
prepared to deal with it. So with that in mind,
we say that you shouldn't leave your house. About the
fundamental four. And the fundamental four is lethal sharp, bright medical,
(16:29):
lethal sharp bright medical. Okay, And lethal is easy. That's
a gun, sharp is easy, that's a nice right cherry,
a flashlight. They're like, well, roll out in this daytime? Okay,
you're going to go in a building. Is it going
to be dark when you come home? I don't know
how many times I've been in a building when the
power goes out and I reached my pocket pull the
(16:50):
flashlight out, and people start asking me questions like.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I'm in charge, Yeah, you're the hero. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
So I realized a long time ago, like thirty years ago,
that in a power out, the guy it's like the man,
the one eyed man, is a king in the land
of the blind.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, I mean I've had it happy, I mean my
wife has I mean, my wife will pull out a
surefire when the power goes out, and all the other
women are.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Going, wow, that's so cool. Yeah. Well yeah, woh, simple thing.
It's the flashlight like your magic.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
You could do that too, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yes, exactly, And go ahead and buy yourself a good
flashlight here.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
It's worth it. So there you have it.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, and let's talk medical for a second, because you're
you've been teaching medical training and trauma training for.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
A long time.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yes, yeah, we learned a lot of lessons from the
Global War on Terror, and one of them was that
when we started that endeavor that our medical training was
way behind and we had we had to catch up
fast to keep good people from dying. And you know,
one of the big things is we had a lot
of people dying from major hemorrhage to the arms and likes.
(17:51):
And I said, and myself and a few of the
other instructors said, well, if we're teaching eighteen and nineteen
year old military kids how to save their buddies stop
gap of life threatening injury, why can't we teach American citizens.
Why aren't we teaching moms and dads and teachers and
you know, certainly, if you're smart enough to get a
(18:12):
driver's license or consume carry permit, you've got enough smarts
to learn how to save somebody's life while you're waiting
for the ablest to show up. And I actually just
last Saturday did an abbreviated class basically dealing with how
to stop a life threatening bleeding injury.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
And you can take us stop the Bleed class anywhere
in the country now. It's like a half day class.
It's easy. And I mean, I want to make the point,
and you pointed this out, but let me jump into it.
It's like in a lot of these mass shooting events,
the people who died, a lot of them did not
need to die. But what happens is the medical people
arrive on scene and the police won't let them go
(18:53):
in there until they have secured the site. Meanwhile, people
are bleeding out left and right with wounds that could
you could have saved these people.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Amen, brother, Most people who die from mass attacks like
that don't die immediately. They lay on the ground and
they bleed to death waiting for help to show up.
And we've been saying for years, Look, if you're ever
involved in one of these situations. It is only the
people who are there the moment it begins that will
(19:24):
have the ability or the opportunity to have a positive outcome.
If you're waiting for someone who's ten minutes away, ten
minutes might as well be ten years.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Whether you're waiting for somebody with a gun or the police,
are you waiting with somebody with medical training? You need
to have both of those available. And look this stop
the bleed training is simple. It's easy. I mean, I'm
thinking about I'm sitting here doing the radio show. Okay,
I've gotten my pistol, I've gotten my extra mag on,
and I've got a TOURNI get in my pocket, just
because that's how I operate every day.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I get when I get up.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yes, sir, Yeah, I actually wrote a book called Beyond
the Booboo Tramatic Medical Training for Civilians or Citizens, and
I detailed because it wasn't easy. When we started doing this,
there were a lot of naysayers, people like, no, you
can't teach mere civilians those super secret military techniques. You'll
(20:23):
get sued. People told me that if I taught people
how to use turniquets and pressure dressings that I would
get sued it was okay for me to teach people
to shoot humans. They weren't worried about that, but they
didn't want me to teach people how to use pressure
dressings and tourniquets because that's way too much liability. Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Well we're beyond that now, Yeah, we're beyond that.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, but it took a good fifteen years to get people's.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Heads right holy yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Well okay, so look, we're going to an amount of
time here. It's Student of the Gun University s ot
GU dot com. And you've got a number of study
at home courses as well as I mean, and you
do you know in place you actually can go get
training from.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
You guys as well.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Right, oh yeah, we have an in person training calendar
and we have a home study And the great thing
about that is you don't have any sqush. You could
start training right now today.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
There you go, s OTGU Student of the Gun University
dot com. Use the code gun talk and get fifteen
percent discount. Hey, I appreciate you doing that for all
our listeners.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Man, Hey, you're certainly welcome.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Say hi to the family. If you would please, we'll
do tom all right, you take care.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Of my friend as our friend Paul Markle and uh,
once you start digging into him, you'll find out a
little bit more. Survivor of cancer, went through a whole deal,
wrote a book about it, and now it's back to
his weight training and deadlifting more than three hundred pounds.
Pretty impressive stuff what he's doing these days. He is
(21:59):
one of those guys who doesn't apologize. He just tells
you how it is and how it should be. You
know what, We should take advantage of people like that
because they have things to teach us.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Real simple. All right, My number here is eight sixty six.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Talk Gun. We are open lines. You've got to be
something on your mind, give me our call. We're just
gonna step aside and be right back.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Man. This is so much fun out to get paid
to do this. This is great.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Talking about guns with my friends there. In case you
don't know, this is gun talk and I'm Tom Gresham
and this is kind of what we do because we
just shoot the breeze.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
If you've got a.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Question or comment, or honestly, if you don't like guns
or you don't get our fascination with them, give me
a call. We can talk about it. It's fine. Nobody gets
shouted down around here. It's all good. We just have
a good time. Let's go grab Kendall out of South Dakota.
Hey Kendall, thank you for your patience here on the air.
What's going on?
Speaker 10 (22:58):
Yeah, well, I'm just a truck, so I got lots
of time to listen.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
To the stuff that I normally wanted.
Speaker 10 (23:04):
I was listening to c SPAN yesterday afternoon and they
had a conference with David Hogg and that crowd talking
about gun control, and I listened to the whole thing
and they barely mentioned suppressors and SBRs. They talked a
lot about gun registration and you know, mandatory training and
(23:25):
all kinds of stuff like that. I was wondering, do
you think it's possible, because they they squawked very little
when the big beautiful bill went through and the tax
got removed. You hardly heard a peep out of them
over that. I was just wondering, do you think they're
setting us up for some sort of trap, because sooner
or later we're going to get a president newsomwhere AOC
(23:46):
or something like.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
That, and.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
They're they're setting us up with the suppressors and SBRs,
you know, to get total gun registration.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Sure, now I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And you know, I never count the possibility that they're
always working to try to get more gun control, and
they aren't been, They're open about it. And yet this deal,
like with the One Big Beautiful Bill, we tried to
get some pressures in short bare of rifles and shotguns
taken out of NFA al together, couldn't get that done.
So we got the two hundred dollars tax removed. And yes,
(24:19):
it is possible if we get a Democrat president in
and or they have control of Congress, they could go
back in and put that tax back in.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
But here's where I.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Am very positive about it. They're really smart people, much
smarter than I am. When it comes to the laws
and lawsuits. They say that getting the two hundred dollars
tax out now makes it possible, and they've already filed
the lawsuits, and a whole bunch of gun rights groups
got together for this lawsuit to come back in and say,
you know that nineteen thirty four bill was a tax bill,
(24:53):
and if there is no tax, then there's no basis
for which you should have to register your supper or
short baire rifles, and so they're challenging that if they
get that ruling from the Supreme Court that says okay,
this is no longer can be part of NFA, then
that goes away and a president can't come back in
(25:16):
and put that back in. So I understand what you're saying,
and yeah, I don't trust them at all. Well, no,
that's not true. I actually do trust the Democrats so
always be pushing for more gun restrictions and to want
to take our guns away, So they are actually very
trustworthy on that. But in this case, I think we're
in a good place and I think we're headed forward
even better place. But look, I appreciate the call and
(25:38):
the question because it allows us to talk about that. Hey,
we're going to take a quick break to come back.
We're going to have a range report on the GT thirty.
Been wanting to get one of these in here. We'll
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But you know, it's one thing for me to be
proud of it as the guy who put all this together.
It's another thing for going to report from somebody who
actually paid hard earned money for it. James did exactly
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that Seattle, Washington. James, you got yourself at GT's thirty rifle.
Why don't you give us the full report here? Oh?
Speaker 11 (28:38):
Hey, Tom, it was it was a pleasure. I got
a bit a couple of weeks ago, but just had
can't see him out to the range for the first
sun yesterday. More sighted him at home and took him
out to see where I was on paper, and I
mean the first four shots through the three O eight
We're literally touching at fifty yards before I moved, you know,
pushed it out to zero it in, and the five
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five six was was just a dream as well. You know,
I'm not that great a shot, but just seeing how
how consistent it was and how easy it was to
to pick up on that. These are the first bolt
action rifles I've ever owned, really, so just just getting
used to it.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (29:17):
I got into shooting center fire rifles a couple of
years ago. It's mostly semi automatics before my state took
away the ability.
Speaker 12 (29:24):
To buy them, but then got.
Speaker 11 (29:27):
It decided I was wanted to get into the precision game,
a little more precision and maybe hunting, and so wanted
to pick up these these bolt actions and uh, just
a lot of fun, real easy to shoot, easy controls.
And I mean, of course, as everybody says, they're beautiful,
but just just a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
It's funny you mentioned the fact that you've got restrictions
on semi automatic rifles there. That was one of the
thought process as we went through of Okay, we need
a gun that people can buy no matter where they are,
because if it's semi automatic pistols, you get restrictions. Obviously
ar semi automatic rifles got restrictions. But the bolt action
you can have anywhere.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Now.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You mentioned and keep hearing this from everybody, and I
guess I got used to it. I didn't think about it,
but everybody says, man, when I open it up, this
is a good looking rifle.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Is that how it hits you?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
It really is?
Speaker 11 (30:21):
Yeah, this is you know, I mean most of my
most of my rifle is just kind of black rifle
boring things, and you know, just be the patterning and
the coloring on this thing is just it's fun. You
pull it out and it's just something different and it
looks great, and yeah it was. It was just a
lot of fun to zero in and then to ring
some steel out of two hundred yards, which was just,
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you know, ridiculously easy. So lots of fun.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
All right.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So you bought both of you got the five five
sticks into three or eight? Why did you buy both
of them?
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (30:56):
So, I mean, in part, I wanted to get used.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
I wanted to have a bolt action rifle that was
a little.
Speaker 11 (31:01):
Bit smaller, it wouldn't wouldn't be as heavy hitting to
practice with, and also to be able to get my
son's shooting and get new shooters to practice with, and
he wanted to have a three h eight for you know,
maybe a little longer ranges and also potentially some hunting.
You can't use a five FI six for hunting here, so.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, well cool, I mean, I congratulations, you scored a
couple of these, and obviously it's going to be a
limited run on these, so look, just keep shooting them
and enjoying them. I appreciate the range report. I'm really
really glad that you're happy with them.
Speaker 11 (31:39):
Oh so happy with them. Couldn't be happier. Thanks Tom, Thank.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
You, James appreciate that. Well, let's move down to Freeport, Louisiana.
John's on the line with US Online one. Hey John,
you're on Gun Talk. What's on your mind, sir?
Speaker 12 (31:52):
Well, thanks, sir. I've been listening to the show every
Sunday I had on my shop. But I heard y'all
talking about concealed carry and stuff earlier, which I'm lucky
you by leave my house out of pocony or gun
I'm nicking. I'm six tube, you know, one hundred and
ninety pound. I'm tall and slender from cowboy for a living,
you know. Most time, I've got my shirt tilt tucked
in which way all wear trophy buckals want everybody to see? Anyway,
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right there? You got I carry. I carry it three
o'clock with the vest. But when it's hotter, you wear
you're going Sometimes you just can't do that. And you
may not agree with what I'm going to tell you,
But I carry American arm a twenty two magnum on
a chain around my neck, and I can't dress with gun.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Oh that's interesting, Okay, I got to back up. I
have no problem with the choice. What I want to
know is you got it on a chain on your neck.
What's the chain hooked to? If you have a holster?
Or how are you doing that?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Now?
Speaker 12 (32:40):
I drill the backside of the little pistol, put a
screw and it cut the head. I'll drill a hold
the network, put a little snap in it. And it
ain't in the hollow spot on my chest, you know
where you can't see it. It's right between the buttoner
snaps on the shirt whichever I choose to wear. And
it's a light chain. If I reach in and get it,
it's easy to break the chain. And I've got with
my hand if it's not a shootout gun, but it's
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to get off of me gun.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You sure, no, no, I understand exactly what you're saying.
So it's a lightweight change. You can just snap that
thing and now you've.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Got a gun in your hand exactly.
Speaker 12 (33:10):
It is very undetectable in a dress shirt, your tough ten.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
You know, how did you come up with that idea?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Uh?
Speaker 12 (33:19):
My dad was a railroad detective plus a text wranger,
and some of their schools they had a guy that
come here and taught them how to conceal, how to
hide a gun. And if that's where I got it, proved,
h okay, you couldn't find you know.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, I thought I'd heard of most ways of carrying
a gun, but that's one I have not literally have
never heard of.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
That, And that is just fascinating.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
And you talk about a place where nobody's going to
see it or even think to look that, that's quite ingenious.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I have time.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
They'd miss it, you know, because it's just right in
the middle of your chest, you know, small enough they
wouldn't feel it. But but it works good for me.
I feel more comfortable and I've got it to I
feel like, say, but not being nicked. You know when
they go out.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You know, a twenty two magnum that you can get
to is a whole lot better than a big gun
that you couldn't carry today.
Speaker 12 (34:07):
Star Bucket. Knope, he's got to get too close with us.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
There you go. I don't want them that closed.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
I like to say, you got to get off me
gun so you can at least maybe put it into
the fight.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Well, that's a great idea. I love that.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I've never heard of that before. But thank you for
sharing that with us. Thank you, John. Appreciate that there
are a lot of different waist to carry guns. I
know a lot of people now are carrying appendix style.
And the reality is it's actually a pretty good system
if it is a system that works for you. And look,
I know people say, well it's pointed at my junk. Okay, great.
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The reality is you're probably not got to shoot yourself
if you're careful, if you have a good holster, if
you practice with an unloaded gun, and if it works
for you, find it is fast, it is a fast
way to draw. It does not work for me. I've
tried it. I think it's a matter of length of
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torso or whatever. It just jams me when.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I sit down. I just can't can't do it. It's
just not comfortable.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
And so I ended up going right back to where
I started, which is the three actually probably three thirty
between three and four o'clock positions where I usually carry
my gun, and I sometimes still carry inside the waist
spin holster, but a lot of times these days I'm
carrying with an outside the waist spin holster. And I
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know a lot of people say, well, I tuck in
my shirt, and I did, and I always did, and
that was the way you dressed to be neat and
good looking and all of that. It was difficult for
me to go to wearing an untucked shirt. It didn't
match what I thought was my style. I didn't like
the way it looked. It looked unkempt or sloppy or whatever.
(35:55):
I've made peace with that and said, this is just
what I do. And one of the things I did
is I try to find those squared off shirts, whether
it's a Hawaiian style or whatever, so it looks like
it's made to be worn untucked, not just to w
regular shirt that's untucked, so it's made to wear that way.
I do in the winter, especially, I wear a vest,
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a lot little fleece vest.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
They worn't great, nobody ever notices. Nobody cares.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
One of the tricks that I've learned a long time
ago from Bill Jordan in his book No Second Place Winner,
great book, by the way, great title for gun fighting,
No Second Place Winner, is you put something of weight
in the pocket of your coat or your vest, in
the pocket that's over your gun. So when you are
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sweeping the vest out of the way to make a drawl,
whether it's you know, several quarters or several extra rounds
or something that has weight, it keeps the momentum going.
It has inertia as you sweep it around, and it
keeps that vest or that coke leard of your gun
just a little bit longer so you can make a draw.
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It doesn't sound like it would give you much of
an advantage, but it really does. So if you just
drop a few things in that pocket, it will help you.
So yeah, I wear like a polyester fleece vest in
the winter or the spring, actually sometimes when it may
not quite be cold enough to wear it, but I
just wear it anyway. And then in the winter, you
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got vest, you got jackets. You got an other thing,
but summer care that's a whole different deal. And I do,
in fact, we were talking about this earlier. I do,
in fact wear the famous photographers vest or traveler's vest.
My buddy ray Elegant wore that all the time. What
I have found is that gun people will say, oh, yeah,
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that's the cover garment. Nobody else thinks that. I have
never had anybody mentioned that that that's a possibility that, oh,
you're wearing that because you're wearing a gun today. It's
just it's just what.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I wear it.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Now they may look at it and go, oh, well,
that's an old guy who wears a vest.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Okay, yeah, I'm an older guy and I wear a vest.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
So there it is. But it allows me to carry
junk in my pockets too. You know, extra things could
be an extra magazine, could be an extra tourniquet, could
be at whatever. But you've got some pockets in there,
so in that way, I can always have a pencil
or a pen or a sharpie or whatever it happens
to be. I call it the the man purse that
you wear that doesn't look like a purse. So I
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guess the bottom line of it is. You got to
figure out what works for you if you're a woman,
or you're carrying a purse.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
If you are how it needs to be in a hole.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Stert and you need to practice either getting it out
of the purse or depending on what you're shooting, maybe
shooting right through the purse.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Just do the same thing with a coat pocket.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
By the way, figure it out, try different systems, read
about it, go take some classes, and then practice practice
practice with unloaded guns destroying from concealment, because it can
be dangerous but also can be done if you're.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Good at.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
All?
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Right with you?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Straight to the phone? Was Tom's in Houston, Texas? No, Tom,
thanks for calling in. What's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (39:18):
Hey? Great to hear the show. Number one. Thank you
for introducing me to mister Meguez in Louisiana. Me and
the wife have already made fifty dollars each donation, and
I will mention to all the Tom gun people out there.
Texas has the exact same situation we need to get
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rid of John Cornyn. The candidate is Ken Paxton paxt
O n I encourage everybody to go to both candidates'
websites and at least sign up on the email list
and give some money. But question number one did me
Guez do anything in the top shop competition? And question
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number two, I have a Dan Weston three point fifty
seven eight inch barrel. I'm wondering if it's worth my
time to try to cobble together the full barrel set
that will not be matching serial numbers, and will that
be good on my resale number or just resell the
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gun with the single eight inch barrel.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Well, I guess the question is what's your primary interest?
Is it in shooting it and enjoying it, or is
it trying to build something that has collector value.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Well, I've done that part and I'm ready to part
with the gun. But I've been farting around trying to
find the other barrels, and I'm just curious. If the
barrels do not match from factory, will I just not
get much money?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I don't know, because I'm not a collector and I
don't buy guns with an idea of making money on them,
so I just don't follow that world.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
By the way I went back and looked, it looks
like Blake Meguez was in fact in Top Shot you're right.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I had forgotten that.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
The first thing that popped up was his history Channel
Top Shot competition.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Here you got a guy who's running for the US
Senator who was on Top Shot, who is a world
champion shooter. And the guy who's running against Bill Cassidy
in Louisiana was the guy who helped Joe Biden passed.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Gun control legislation.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
And you're right. In Texas, it's the exact same thing.
You've got John Cornyan who helped Bill not Bill Clinton.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
I'm sorry, Joe.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Biden helped Joe Biden pass his gun control legislation.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Texas, you got to do something about it.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
You can't keep re electing your corning because I mean,
he's a gun banner.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
Well he's just like a Democrat. Every time he's up
for election, he goes around, hugs the babies and kisses
the girls. And he gets reelected because he's got big
money behind him.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
No, exactly right, exactly right. Well, look, thank you for
making a contribution to Blake. He's really a good guy.
We've had him over. Funny story, we had him over
at our shooting range there in Louisiana, and I was
talking to one of our instructors. He says, you know,
I've never seen a politician who could shoot like that. Yeah,
well he's more than a politician, he's a world champion shooter.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
It was funny. Again, thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Tom. Yeah.
You know, in wrapping up, I wanted.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
A couple of thoughts here I talked about, try to
find the things that give you joy, bring you joy
in your life. Try to find a way to get
to yes. Try to avoid those things where you say,
you know, I've always wanted to well, you know what,
you've always wanted to do a thing or to own
a thing. Start working toward that goal. And maybe you
can't do it immediately, but maybe it's a two or
three or four or five year project. But you know,
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if you don't start down the road, you can't get
to the destination. It's kind of a simple deal, but
sometimes it's hard to if you will, pardon the pun,
pull the trigger and.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Make that happen.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
So if you're looking for maybe i'd like to have
a really nice gun, maybe you sell a few or
the other ones.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
If you're going to sell some.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Contact our friend over at Dorry's Guns, Johnny dorrydorry'sguns dot Com.
They'll help you sell, whether it's one or a hundred,
they'll take care of that for you as well. In
the meantime, always carry keep getting training. If you don't
have training, go out and get it. It is serious
to learn to fight with a gun, not just shoot
with a gun. There's a difference. Be safe out there,
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right, we are back with you. I'm Tom Gresham.
This is Gun Talking. Let's talk about guns and all
things guns. If you want to be a part of this,
you can call me eight six six Talk Gun or
Tom Talk Gun. It is always so much fun to
talk to. We have several friends who really look at
things differently. Our next guest is definitely one of those,
(00:34):
Paul Markle, who is the Student of the Gun guy.
He started the Student of the Gun. It is the
radio show, it's an online place, it's a video, it's
actually all sorts of training. Paul Markle, thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Man, Well, thank you very much for having me. It's
been too long, it has.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And you don't have a way of looking at things.
You don't mind identifying the sacred cows and just slaughtering
them right there in front of everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Man, Well, sometimes that's my job to do. You know
what they call me?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
They call me?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
The pinpand of America because this country needs a slap.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
There you go. I like it.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Now, let's say marine police officer, training officer. There's just
a lot of stuff. You've been a firearms instructor for
three or more decades, now, see it done, it been there,
all of that, and it's basically you've been able to
boil things down to what do you need to know?
And what is all this other junk that's out there.
(01:36):
It's sometimes a full time job just to try to
put down.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Some of the nonsen you say online, didn't it?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh my lord? It's crazy how things that were being
regurgitated in gunshops when I was eighteen years old, I
see it online today and I think to myself, how
is this not dead yet? How? I guess it must
be like that with every you know, field of endeavor.
(02:06):
But boy, in the gun industry, we love to regurgitate
stuff without thinking.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
We do. We have our myths, our old wives tales.
All right.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You just recently rode to one of it was just
I said, okay, we got to talk about this one.
That is the use of the self defense vest, the
photographer's vest, the cover garment, whatever that the online pundits
love to call the shoot me first vest What is
that all about?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well, I got a little bit hacked off this last
week because a friend of mine passed away and they
posted a picture of him online and he was wearing
his khaki one of those things you remember when iotack
was a thing clothing. Well, he had his eotac clothing
vest on, and of course the the random internet person
(02:59):
had to jump in his well, you know, they called
those to shoot me first or uh. I was like, okay,
I gotta address this, so I said. So self control
did not get the best of me, as it did
with Doc Holliday, but I said, I said, sorry, can
(03:19):
you please name one single instance where an armed robber
burst in and before committing their robbery, instead surveyed the
the victims or the helpless masses and decided to assassinate
a person based on their mode of dress And of
(03:40):
course didn't have he didn't have that there.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
No, no, they're just they're just regurgitating stuff they've heard
and they want to sound cool. But I put you know,
the deal is they got to sound cool by putting
someone else down. It doesn't do anything to elevate them.
So they just have to try to reduce somebody else.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, And you know the funny thing is is I
was a photographer back when we used to use this
stuff called film. Do you remember that it came in
little canisters and when you carried your camera around you
had a bunch of things, successories and extra lenses and
(04:18):
all you were carrying a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, we had the photographer's vest. We all had a vest.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yes, yes, you had this brown vest you had. It
was full of pockets and you put all that stuff
in it. Well then lo and behold, the I d
PA came along and they said, hey, if you want
to compete, you have to wear a cover garment. And
then almost overnight, the the shooting accessory companies started producing
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these vests. I mean, I'm sure you remember.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
That I got.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I probably have four or five of them, and I
will tell you, Paul, I wear those on a fairly
regular basis. And I know, people go, oh really, I said,
you know, I have never ever had somebody say, well,
are you wearing a vest? Because you're caring? Nobody even
notices and cares. It's just it's a handy thing. It's
like a guy's purse, except you wear it, and now
(05:10):
it's become not a photographer's vest but a travel vest
because people wear them when they travel.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And it's like, who are we hiding from? Are we
hiding from the bad guys? Or do we think we're
you know, I hear people's spout or you should never
wear something like that because of the gray maund and
you need to be the gray.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
You got to be the gray. Many gotta be invisible.
It's like, okay, great. Let me just say when I
went out of the house this morning, I thought, Okay,
what am I going to wear a concealed today. I
put on a golf shirt and I keep it untucked,
and I've got a full size nine and a mag
pouch on the other side.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Wearing my gun in a three.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
O'clock position in an outside the waistband holster and a
golf shirt untuck takes care of the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Where you're a gray man man.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Are I? I never knew that that's cool. I have
graduated to great man status.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
But the thing is it doesn't stop. It didn't stop
with the vest. It went from the vest to the
fanny pack, and then the fanny pack to tactical pants.
Oh you should never wear practical plants because they mark
you as a gun carrier. It's like, dude, you want
to go crazy. I guess now we were not allowed
to wear these floral print Hawaiian shirts. Oh that's right, yeah,
(06:35):
because they mark you as a gun carrier. Well, I
guess you know.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
We can put that to bed and say, look, it
doesn't really matter what you wear. It's really more about
how you conduct yourself and when and you know the
drill when you first start carrying, everybody does the same thing.
They're touching it all the time. Stop doing that.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And if you just put your leave it there, you
wouldn't it wouldn't be this hot rocks that you're constantly.
Just wear your gun all the time habitually. You won't
regret it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
You do after it takes it all like a week
or two, and you get to where it's just, oh, yes,
it only feels weird that you're not wearing it, because
if you put it on every day, every time you
go somewhere, the only time it bothers you is when
you don't have it on.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
That's where you should be your mindset. You should be
uncomfortable psychologically if you don't have a gun attach to
you there.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You know, it's a great point when I there have
been times when I think, well, I'm just going to
such and such do I really need this gun today?
And then I stop myself and give myself my own
little slap and go, Okay, dummy. If you go to
the local store where you think nothing's going to happen,
and something does happen, and you know that you are
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trained and pretty good at this and you didn't have
your gun, you would regret that for the rest of
your life, no matter how long that life lasts.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Oh yeah, absolutely. And you don't get to decide. That's
what people on The Good People On We talked about
mirror thinking years and years ago. But people in our
world we like to think that our actions can affect
and change what goes on around us. You can't decide
whether the maniac is going to walk into a target
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or Walmart. I mean we just had two instances, one
in our target, one in a Walmart where maniacs just
walked in and started killing innocent people in the middle
of the day. You can't decide to stop them. You
can't do anything to make that not happen. The only
thing you can do is decide that you will be
prepared in the eventuality that something like that happens.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, and part of that mirror thinking is projecting out well,
it wouldn't be rational or reasonable. There'd be no reason
for somebody to go to Walmart and start shooting people.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Why would in by do that?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And you've got to stop thinking that way and realize
that these people are mentally not there. There's something wrong
with them, and some of them, they really are there
to kill people. That's what they're there to do. And
there's nearly no other world. Gee, why are they doing that? No,
they're there because they want to kill people, and their
people there, that's all they need.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You know, serial killers have always justified their behavior. The
FBI interviews serial killers and all of them they have
a mental justification for their behavior. So stop trying to
change how the world out acts or behaves and instead
focus on what you can control.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
All right, we're talking with Paul Markle, a student of
the gun. Where do they find out we're gonna come back.
We're going to hold you over this break here. We've
got to talk about more stuff. But to find out
more about what you're doing and where they can get
the training you have.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Where do they go for that?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well, we're really focusing hard on home study, something that's
accessible to every single person. And as a matter of fact, Tom,
if you're if your listeners would like to go to
so otgu dot com, that's Sam for Shooting the student
a University. If they use the promo code gun Talk
when they sign up for any of our home study
we'll give them fifteen percent off their tuition.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Well, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Student of the Gun University, so otgu dot com.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
We're talking with Paul markl. Hey, Paul, don't go anywhere.
We come back.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I want to talk about what y'all to have on
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And some other of the lessons that you teach. Don't
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Speaker 2 (13:09):
Alright back with you, we're talking with Paul Marker from
Student of the Gun and so tgu dot com and
he's offering a fifty percent discount if you put in
gun talk in the code for some of the fine
training they're doing. Paul, you've done a lot of writing
on this. You've got some great lessons. You have some
real strong opinions of things. I was just online and
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telling somebody something about the four Rules of Gun Safety
and they're going, well, don't you think the four Rules
of Gun Safety ought to be updated now? And I went, no,
So what do you think there?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Well? There we do a plus one? Okay, yes, as
you know, Jeff Cooper went up to Mount SINAI came
down with two tablets. There was four rules, and there's
no reason to add to those. However, there's one and
it's kind of missing, and that is drop all fumbled guns. Oh,
(14:08):
if gravity gets a hold of it, let it go, yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Right, let the earth claim it.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
The deal is for those who don't know, and we've
tried this over and over again. If it hits the ground,
it's almost it's just almost never. Is it going to
go off? Almost never? If you try to catch it.
I would say there's about a one in three chance
you're going to stick a finger or a thumb in
the trigger guard and pull the trigger.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yes, people have died catching falling guns. This is very serious,
and you have to pre program the student before that
moment happens. You can't expect a student in a one
quarter of a second time frame to make a logical,
thoughtful decision. They're going to behave exactly as they've been
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pushing it to behave.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Sure, you're gonna try to catch it. It snipped out
of your hands, You're gonna try to catch it like
you would anything else. You're hot, you're sweating, and at
the range for a while, you're tired and you fumble
and the gun gets out of your hand during a
draw and you reach out to grab it. No, just
let it go, Let it hit the ground, and then
when it's safe to do so, then you can pick
it up.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Right, So you have to You've got to address that
at the very beginning. Man, that's part of our safety briefing.
We're like, if you fumble a gun, let it go
and everything will be fine. However, if you fumble it
and snatch at it, we're going to have a problem there.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
You go, all right, So let's talk about what you
need to have with you when you step out of
your house. You're going to be one of these prepared people.
You wrote something recently about that you kind of got
these four different things. The thing I like is that
the first thing you talked about wasn't the actually gear
at all, It was mindset.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well, your mindset has to be absolutely spot on. You
have to be thinking like an armed citizen, and as
we discussed her in the previous segment, you have to
be thinking, I cannot change what happens around me. I
can't change who walks into the grocery store or the
movie theater. I can't change it, but I can make
a decision as to how well be prepared. You know,
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you can't if somebody were to pull in your driveway
right now, get out, try and break in your house.
You can't stop them from happening, but you can be
prepared to deal with it. So with that in mind,
we say that you shouldn't leave your house. About the
fundamental four. And the fundamental four is lethal sharp, bright medical,
(16:29):
lethal sharp bright medical. Okay, And lethal is easy. That's
a gun, sharp is easy, that's a nice right cherry,
a flashlight. They're like, well, roll out in this daytime? Okay,
you're going to go in a building. Is it going
to be dark when you come home? I don't know
how many times I've been in a building when the
power goes out and I reached my pocket pull the
(16:50):
flashlight out, and people start asking me questions like.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I'm in charge, Yeah, you're the hero. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
So I realized a long time ago, like thirty years ago,
that in a power out, the guy it's like the man,
the one eyed man, is a king in the land
of the blind.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, I mean I've had it happy, I mean my
wife has I mean, my wife will pull out a
surefire when the power goes out, and all the other
women are.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Going, wow, that's so cool. Yeah. Well yeah, woh, simple thing.
It's the flashlight like your magic.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
You could do that too, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yes, exactly, And go ahead and buy yourself a good
flashlight here.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
It's worth it. So there you have it.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, and let's talk medical for a second, because you're
you've been teaching medical training and trauma training for.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
A long time.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yes, yeah, we learned a lot of lessons from the
Global War on Terror, and one of them was that
when we started that endeavor that our medical training was
way behind and we had we had to catch up
fast to keep good people from dying. And you know,
one of the big things is we had a lot
of people dying from major hemorrhage to the arms and likes.
(17:51):
And I said, and myself and a few of the
other instructors said, well, if we're teaching eighteen and nineteen
year old military kids how to save their buddies stop
gap of life threatening injury, why can't we teach American citizens.
Why aren't we teaching moms and dads and teachers and
you know, certainly, if you're smart enough to get a
(18:12):
driver's license or consume carry permit, you've got enough smarts
to learn how to save somebody's life while you're waiting
for the ablest to show up. And I actually just
last Saturday did an abbreviated class basically dealing with how
to stop a life threatening bleeding injury.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
And you can take us stop the Bleed class anywhere
in the country now. It's like a half day class.
It's easy. And I mean, I want to make the point,
and you pointed this out, but let me jump into it.
It's like in a lot of these mass shooting events,
the people who died, a lot of them did not
need to die. But what happens is the medical people
arrive on scene and the police won't let them go
(18:53):
in there until they have secured the site. Meanwhile, people
are bleeding out left and right with wounds that could
you could have saved these people.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Amen, brother, Most people who die from mass attacks like
that don't die immediately. They lay on the ground and
they bleed to death waiting for help to show up.
And we've been saying for years, Look, if you're ever
involved in one of these situations. It is only the
people who are there the moment it begins that will
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have the ability or the opportunity to have a positive outcome.
If you're waiting for someone who's ten minutes away, ten
minutes might as well be ten years.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Whether you're waiting for somebody with a gun or the police,
are you waiting with somebody with medical training? You need
to have both of those available. And look this stop
the bleed training is simple. It's easy. I mean, I'm
thinking about I'm sitting here doing the radio show. Okay,
I've gotten my pistol, I've gotten my extra mag on,
and I've got a TOURNI get in my pocket, just
because that's how I operate every day.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I get when I get up.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yes, sir, Yeah, I actually wrote a book called Beyond
the Booboo Tramatic Medical Training for Civilians or Citizens, and
I detailed because it wasn't easy. When we started doing this,
there were a lot of naysayers, people like, no, you
can't teach mere civilians those super secret military techniques. You'll
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get sued. People told me that if I taught people
how to use turniquets and pressure dressings that I would
get sued it was okay for me to teach people
to shoot humans. They weren't worried about that, but they
didn't want me to teach people how to use pressure
dressings and tourniquets because that's way too much liability. Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Well we're beyond that now, Yeah, we're beyond that.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, but it took a good fifteen years to get people's.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Heads right holy yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Well okay, so look, we're going to an amount of
time here. It's Student of the Gun University s ot
GU dot com. And you've got a number of study
at home courses as well as I mean, and you
do you know in place you actually can go get
training from.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
You guys as well.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Right, oh yeah, we have an in person training calendar
and we have a home study And the great thing
about that is you don't have any sqush. You could
start training right now today.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
There you go, s OTGU Student of the Gun University
dot com. Use the code gun talk and get fifteen
percent discount. Hey, I appreciate you doing that for all
our listeners.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Man, Hey, you're certainly welcome.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Say hi to the family. If you would please, we'll
do tom all right, you take care.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Of my friend as our friend Paul Markle and uh,
once you start digging into him, you'll find out a
little bit more. Survivor of cancer, went through a whole deal,
wrote a book about it, and now it's back to
his weight training and deadlifting more than three hundred pounds.
Pretty impressive stuff what he's doing these days. He is
(21:59):
one of those guys who doesn't apologize. He just tells
you how it is and how it should be. You
know what, We should take advantage of people like that
because they have things to teach us.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Real simple. All right, My number here is eight sixty six.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Talk Gun. We are open lines. You've got to be
something on your mind, give me our call. We're just
gonna step aside and be right back.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Man. This is so much fun out to get paid
to do this. This is great.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Talking about guns with my friends there. In case you
don't know, this is gun talk and I'm Tom Gresham
and this is kind of what we do because we
just shoot the breeze.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
If you've got a.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Question or comment, or honestly, if you don't like guns
or you don't get our fascination with them, give me
a call. We can talk about it. It's fine. Nobody gets
shouted down around here. It's all good. We just have
a good time. Let's go grab Kendall out of South Dakota.
Hey Kendall, thank you for your patience here on the air.
What's going on?
Speaker 10 (22:58):
Yeah, well, I'm just a truck, so I got lots
of time to listen.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
To the stuff that I normally wanted.
Speaker 10 (23:04):
I was listening to c SPAN yesterday afternoon and they
had a conference with David Hogg and that crowd talking
about gun control, and I listened to the whole thing
and they barely mentioned suppressors and SBRs. They talked a
lot about gun registration and you know, mandatory training and
(23:25):
all kinds of stuff like that. I was wondering, do
you think it's possible, because they they squawked very little
when the big beautiful bill went through and the tax
got removed. You hardly heard a peep out of them
over that. I was just wondering, do you think they're
setting us up for some sort of trap, because sooner
or later we're going to get a president newsomwhere AOC
(23:46):
or something like.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
That, and.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
They're they're setting us up with the suppressors and SBRs,
you know, to get total gun registration.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Sure, now I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And you know, I never count the possibility that they're
always working to try to get more gun control, and
they aren't been, They're open about it. And yet this deal,
like with the One Big Beautiful Bill, we tried to
get some pressures in short bare of rifles and shotguns
taken out of NFA al together, couldn't get that done.
So we got the two hundred dollars tax removed. And yes,
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it is possible if we get a Democrat president in
and or they have control of Congress, they could go
back in and put that tax back in.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
But here's where I.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Am very positive about it. They're really smart people, much
smarter than I am. When it comes to the laws
and lawsuits. They say that getting the two hundred dollars
tax out now makes it possible, and they've already filed
the lawsuits, and a whole bunch of gun rights groups
got together for this lawsuit to come back in and say,
you know that nineteen thirty four bill was a tax bill,
(24:53):
and if there is no tax, then there's no basis
for which you should have to register your supper or
short baire rifles, and so they're challenging that if they
get that ruling from the Supreme Court that says okay,
this is no longer can be part of NFA, then
that goes away and a president can't come back in
(25:16):
and put that back in. So I understand what you're saying,
and yeah, I don't trust them at all. Well, no,
that's not true. I actually do trust the Democrats so
always be pushing for more gun restrictions and to want
to take our guns away, So they are actually very
trustworthy on that. But in this case, I think we're
in a good place and I think we're headed forward
even better place. But look, I appreciate the call and
(25:38):
the question because it allows us to talk about that. Hey,
we're going to take a quick break to come back.
We're going to have a range report on the GT thirty.
Been wanting to get one of these in here. We'll
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But you know, it's one thing for me to be
proud of it as the guy who put all this together.
It's another thing for going to report from somebody who
actually paid hard earned money for it. James did exactly
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that Seattle, Washington. James, you got yourself at GT's thirty rifle.
Why don't you give us the full report here? Oh?
Speaker 11 (28:38):
Hey, Tom, it was it was a pleasure. I got
a bit a couple of weeks ago, but just had
can't see him out to the range for the first
sun yesterday. More sighted him at home and took him
out to see where I was on paper, and I
mean the first four shots through the three O eight
We're literally touching at fifty yards before I moved, you know,
pushed it out to zero it in, and the five
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five six was was just a dream as well. You know,
I'm not that great a shot, but just seeing how
how consistent it was and how easy it was to
to pick up on that. These are the first bolt
action rifles I've ever owned, really, so just just getting
used to it.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (29:17):
I got into shooting center fire rifles a couple of
years ago. It's mostly semi automatics before my state took
away the ability.
Speaker 12 (29:24):
To buy them, but then got.
Speaker 11 (29:27):
It decided I was wanted to get into the precision game,
a little more precision and maybe hunting, and so wanted
to pick up these these bolt actions and uh, just
a lot of fun, real easy to shoot, easy controls.
And I mean, of course, as everybody says, they're beautiful,
but just just a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
It's funny you mentioned the fact that you've got restrictions
on semi automatic rifles there. That was one of the
thought process as we went through of Okay, we need
a gun that people can buy no matter where they are,
because if it's semi automatic pistols, you get restrictions. Obviously
ar semi automatic rifles got restrictions. But the bolt action
you can have anywhere.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Now.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You mentioned and keep hearing this from everybody, and I
guess I got used to it. I didn't think about it,
but everybody says, man, when I open it up, this
is a good looking rifle.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Is that how it hits you?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
It really is?
Speaker 11 (30:21):
Yeah, this is you know, I mean most of my
most of my rifle is just kind of black rifle
boring things, and you know, just be the patterning and
the coloring on this thing is just it's fun. You
pull it out and it's just something different and it
looks great, and yeah it was. It was just a
lot of fun to zero in and then to ring
some steel out of two hundred yards, which was just,
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you know, ridiculously easy. So lots of fun.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
All right.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So you bought both of you got the five five
sticks into three or eight? Why did you buy both
of them?
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (30:56):
So, I mean, in part, I wanted to get used.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
I wanted to have a bolt action rifle that was
a little.
Speaker 11 (31:01):
Bit smaller, it wouldn't wouldn't be as heavy hitting to
practice with, and also to be able to get my
son's shooting and get new shooters to practice with, and
he wanted to have a three h eight for you know,
maybe a little longer ranges and also potentially some hunting.
You can't use a five FI six for hunting here, so.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, well cool, I mean, I congratulations, you scored a
couple of these, and obviously it's going to be a
limited run on these, so look, just keep shooting them
and enjoying them. I appreciate the range report. I'm really
really glad that you're happy with them.
Speaker 11 (31:39):
Oh so happy with them. Couldn't be happier. Thanks Tom, Thank.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
You, James appreciate that. Well, let's move down to Freeport, Louisiana.
John's on the line with US Online one. Hey John,
you're on Gun Talk. What's on your mind, sir?
Speaker 12 (31:52):
Well, thanks, sir. I've been listening to the show every
Sunday I had on my shop. But I heard y'all
talking about concealed carry and stuff earlier, which I'm lucky
you by leave my house out of pocony or gun
I'm nicking. I'm six tube, you know, one hundred and
ninety pound. I'm tall and slender from cowboy for a living,
you know. Most time, I've got my shirt tilt tucked
in which way all wear trophy buckals want everybody to see? Anyway,
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right there? You got I carry. I carry it three
o'clock with the vest. But when it's hotter, you wear
you're going Sometimes you just can't do that. And you
may not agree with what I'm going to tell you,
But I carry American arm a twenty two magnum on
a chain around my neck, and I can't dress with gun.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Oh that's interesting, Okay, I got to back up. I
have no problem with the choice. What I want to
know is you got it on a chain on your neck.
What's the chain hooked to? If you have a holster?
Or how are you doing that?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Now?
Speaker 12 (32:40):
I drill the backside of the little pistol, put a
screw and it cut the head. I'll drill a hold
the network, put a little snap in it. And it
ain't in the hollow spot on my chest, you know
where you can't see it. It's right between the buttoner
snaps on the shirt whichever I choose to wear. And
it's a light chain. If I reach in and get it,
it's easy to break the chain. And I've got with
my hand if it's not a shootout gun, but it's
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to get off of me gun.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You sure, no, no, I understand exactly what you're saying.
So it's a lightweight change. You can just snap that
thing and now you've.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Got a gun in your hand exactly.
Speaker 12 (33:10):
It is very undetectable in a dress shirt, your tough ten.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
You know, how did you come up with that idea?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Uh?
Speaker 12 (33:19):
My dad was a railroad detective plus a text wranger,
and some of their schools they had a guy that
come here and taught them how to conceal, how to
hide a gun. And if that's where I got it, proved,
h okay, you couldn't find you know.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, I thought I'd heard of most ways of carrying
a gun, but that's one I have not literally have
never heard of.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
That, And that is just fascinating.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
And you talk about a place where nobody's going to
see it or even think to look that, that's quite ingenious.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I have time.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
They'd miss it, you know, because it's just right in
the middle of your chest, you know, small enough they
wouldn't feel it. But but it works good for me.
I feel more comfortable and I've got it to I
feel like, say, but not being nicked. You know when
they go out.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You know, a twenty two magnum that you can get
to is a whole lot better than a big gun
that you couldn't carry today.
Speaker 12 (34:07):
Star Bucket. Knope, he's got to get too close with us.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
There you go. I don't want them that closed.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
I like to say, you got to get off me
gun so you can at least maybe put it into
the fight.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Well, that's a great idea. I love that.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I've never heard of that before. But thank you for
sharing that with us. Thank you, John. Appreciate that there
are a lot of different waist to carry guns. I
know a lot of people now are carrying appendix style.
And the reality is it's actually a pretty good system
if it is a system that works for you. And look,
I know people say, well it's pointed at my junk. Okay, great.
(34:41):
The reality is you're probably not got to shoot yourself
if you're careful, if you have a good holster, if
you practice with an unloaded gun, and if it works
for you, find it is fast, it is a fast
way to draw. It does not work for me. I've
tried it. I think it's a matter of length of
(35:03):
torso or whatever. It just jams me when.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I sit down. I just can't can't do it. It's
just not comfortable.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
And so I ended up going right back to where
I started, which is the three actually probably three thirty
between three and four o'clock positions where I usually carry
my gun, and I sometimes still carry inside the waist
spin holster, but a lot of times these days I'm
carrying with an outside the waist spin holster. And I
(35:30):
know a lot of people say, well, I tuck in
my shirt, and I did, and I always did, and
that was the way you dressed to be neat and
good looking and all of that. It was difficult for
me to go to wearing an untucked shirt. It didn't
match what I thought was my style. I didn't like
the way it looked. It looked unkempt or sloppy or whatever.
(35:55):
I've made peace with that and said, this is just
what I do. And one of the things I did
is I try to find those squared off shirts, whether
it's a Hawaiian style or whatever, so it looks like
it's made to be worn untucked, not just to w
regular shirt that's untucked, so it's made to wear that way.
I do in the winter, especially, I wear a vest,
(36:16):
a lot little fleece vest.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
They worn't great, nobody ever notices. Nobody cares.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
One of the tricks that I've learned a long time
ago from Bill Jordan in his book No Second Place Winner,
great book, by the way, great title for gun fighting,
No Second Place Winner, is you put something of weight
in the pocket of your coat or your vest, in
the pocket that's over your gun. So when you are
(36:43):
sweeping the vest out of the way to make a drawl,
whether it's you know, several quarters or several extra rounds
or something that has weight, it keeps the momentum going.
It has inertia as you sweep it around, and it
keeps that vest or that coke leard of your gun
just a little bit longer so you can make a draw.
(37:05):
It doesn't sound like it would give you much of
an advantage, but it really does. So if you just
drop a few things in that pocket, it will help you.
So yeah, I wear like a polyester fleece vest in
the winter or the spring, actually sometimes when it may
not quite be cold enough to wear it, but I
just wear it anyway. And then in the winter, you
(37:27):
got vest, you got jackets. You got an other thing,
but summer care that's a whole different deal. And I do,
in fact, we were talking about this earlier. I do,
in fact wear the famous photographers vest or traveler's vest.
My buddy ray Elegant wore that all the time. What
I have found is that gun people will say, oh, yeah,
(37:48):
that's the cover garment. Nobody else thinks that. I have
never had anybody mentioned that that that's a possibility that, oh,
you're wearing that because you're wearing a gun today. It's
just it's just what.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I wear it.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Now they may look at it and go, oh, well,
that's an old guy who wears a vest.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Okay, yeah, I'm an older guy and I wear a vest.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
So there it is. But it allows me to carry
junk in my pockets too. You know, extra things could
be an extra magazine, could be an extra tourniquet, could
be at whatever. But you've got some pockets in there,
so in that way, I can always have a pencil
or a pen or a sharpie or whatever it happens
to be. I call it the the man purse that
you wear that doesn't look like a purse. So I
(38:33):
guess the bottom line of it is. You got to
figure out what works for you if you're a woman,
or you're carrying a purse.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
If you are how it needs to be in a hole.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Stert and you need to practice either getting it out
of the purse or depending on what you're shooting, maybe
shooting right through the purse.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Just do the same thing with a coat pocket.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
By the way, figure it out, try different systems, read
about it, go take some classes, and then practice practice
practice with unloaded guns destroying from concealment, because it can
be dangerous but also can be done if you're.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Good at.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
All?
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Right with you?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Straight to the phone? Was Tom's in Houston, Texas? No, Tom,
thanks for calling in. What's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (39:18):
Hey? Great to hear the show. Number one. Thank you
for introducing me to mister Meguez in Louisiana. Me and
the wife have already made fifty dollars each donation, and
I will mention to all the Tom gun people out there.
Texas has the exact same situation we need to get
(39:39):
rid of John Cornyn. The candidate is Ken Paxton paxt
O n I encourage everybody to go to both candidates'
websites and at least sign up on the email list
and give some money. But question number one did me
Guez do anything in the top shop competition? And question
(40:00):
number two, I have a Dan Weston three point fifty
seven eight inch barrel. I'm wondering if it's worth my
time to try to cobble together the full barrel set
that will not be matching serial numbers, and will that
be good on my resale number or just resell the
(40:24):
gun with the single eight inch barrel.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Well, I guess the question is what's your primary interest?
Is it in shooting it and enjoying it, or is
it trying to build something that has collector value.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Well, I've done that part and I'm ready to part
with the gun. But I've been farting around trying to
find the other barrels, and I'm just curious. If the
barrels do not match from factory, will I just not
get much money?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I don't know, because I'm not a collector and I
don't buy guns with an idea of making money on them,
so I just don't follow that world.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
By the way I went back and looked, it looks
like Blake Meguez was in fact in Top Shot you're right.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I had forgotten that.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
The first thing that popped up was his history Channel
Top Shot competition.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Here you got a guy who's running for the US
Senator who was on Top Shot, who is a world
champion shooter. And the guy who's running against Bill Cassidy
in Louisiana was the guy who helped Joe Biden passed.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Gun control legislation.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
And you're right. In Texas, it's the exact same thing.
You've got John Cornyan who helped Bill not Bill Clinton.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
I'm sorry, Joe.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Biden helped Joe Biden pass his gun control legislation.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Texas, you got to do something about it.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
You can't keep re electing your corning because I mean,
he's a gun banner.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
Well he's just like a Democrat. Every time he's up
for election, he goes around, hugs the babies and kisses
the girls. And he gets reelected because he's got big
money behind him.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
No, exactly right, exactly right. Well, look, thank you for
making a contribution to Blake. He's really a good guy.
We've had him over. Funny story, we had him over
at our shooting range there in Louisiana, and I was
talking to one of our instructors. He says, you know,
I've never seen a politician who could shoot like that. Yeah,
well he's more than a politician, he's a world champion shooter.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
It was funny. Again, thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Tom. Yeah.
You know, in wrapping up, I wanted.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
A couple of thoughts here I talked about, try to
find the things that give you joy, bring you joy
in your life. Try to find a way to get
to yes. Try to avoid those things where you say,
you know, I've always wanted to well, you know what,
you've always wanted to do a thing or to own
a thing. Start working toward that goal. And maybe you
can't do it immediately, but maybe it's a two or
three or four or five year project. But you know,
(42:57):
if you don't start down the road, you can't get
to the destination. It's kind of a simple deal, but
sometimes it's hard to if you will, pardon the pun,
pull the trigger and.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Make that happen.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
So if you're looking for maybe i'd like to have
a really nice gun, maybe you sell a few or
the other ones.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
If you're going to sell some.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Contact our friend over at Dorry's Guns, Johnny dorrydorry'sguns dot Com.
They'll help you sell, whether it's one or a hundred,
they'll take care of that for you as well. In
the meantime, always carry keep getting training. If you don't
have training, go out and get it. It is serious
to learn to fight with a gun, not just shoot
with a gun. There's a difference. Be safe out there,
(43:38):
my friends. We'll see it next week.
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