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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
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Speaker 4 (00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Where we saved all the best things.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
That we can't say on regular radio. Now, here's Tom,
Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk after Show.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It is time for after show where we gather well,
you know the real it's Jim Kinsey and me and
not Michelle this week because.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
And just finally not even not not Michelle, because even
Tom's not yours.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
We don't have Michelle and not Michelle. They did, they
just like get fed up with you.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
That was years ago. Ope, years ago.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
No, we had a unexpected funerals, so rip to pat
up in Michigan and Michelle had some family stuff that
she had scheduled months ago.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
She's got a life apart from us. This is not
except to that.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
So we got to breed a fill in on phones
and do double duty here.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, thank you de Bree. We appreciate her filling in
we got Scott, we got Mark. You guys, don't go anywhere.
We're going to get to you. And just a fact,
let's just go ahead and pull Scott in here from
Carson City, Nevada. Scott, thank you for your patience. You
have made it into the after show.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
That sounds like a good place to be.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
There, you go.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You won't let us hang out any other place, so
this is our own place.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
True. True.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
You had made a comment a while back talking about
defensive shooting. You said you should be able to get
so many rounds into some the size of playing card
at five yards. Yeah, was that a percentage or was
that six rounds out of six or what was that?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Well, there's there's no particular rule, and I think it's
had a playing card. I think I said, like four
x six index card a playing card would be pretty
tough for most of us. But the four by six
index card is actually three by five two work or
three by five three by five. You know, what we're
(02:18):
talking about is just really focusing on trying to make
hits regardless of how fast you shoot. So I would
say slow down until you can make because look the
reality is most people I see at the range it
would be hopeless for them to try to hit a
three by five index card at seven yards or even
(02:41):
five yards. If you said, okay, you got ten shots,
put them all in there, because I think it ought
to be one hundred percent of the hits just with
no timeline. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Well, this comes to my next question in terms of
of how what country is an accurate pistol? Because I
had been looking to do this, and I can put
about twenty percent into a three x five and about
nine eight into an eight and a half by eleven
(03:12):
sheet of paper.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
At what distance? This is?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Five yards?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay? With what done?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
This is with a springfield st nine.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Okay, that gun will probably shoot two inch groups at
that distance.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
A If it does, then I need to work do
a whole much more work on my shooting.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I think we have just arrived at the realization. I
would suggest trying to shoot that pistol off of sandbags
where there's abstutely no movement whatsoever, and see what you get.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Okay, have a buddy shooting. Have a buddy shoot and
see how he does with it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, the buddy's probably worse.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
There's a reference for you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Seriously that pistol should be at Did you say five yards? Yes, yeah,
you know, seriously, five yards just youd be just one
ragged hole.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
So I definitely need to spend a lot more time
and do some more work.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yes, let me help you. Let me help you with that.
I can fix this problem right here. If you were
by yourself, some dummy rounds just inert snapcaps and mix
them in with your live rounds in the magazine, and
just go to the range and shoot and watch what
happens when it goes to click instead of banging when
(04:38):
you don't know what's going to Chances are excellent that
the sites are way off the target. When it goes click,
you're yanking the trigger almost certainly.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Could be worth it. Definitely something to try.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay, here's another way. Here's something else to try. This
is going to sound insane. Get all lined up with
live AMMO, line up on the three by five card,
and just before you pull the trigger, close both your
eyes and pull the trigger. Seriously, get all lined up,
(05:14):
set up, ready to shoot, and just like half a
second before you pull the trigger, close your eyes and
then just press the trigger. When you open your eyes,
the bullet hole is going to be right in the
center of that three by five card. Yeah, it doesn't
cost anything. And you know what, nobody even knows you're
doing it, So it's not like embarrassing or anything else.
(05:35):
It's like and except that when they go, wow, that
dude is really shooting. Well, here's what's going on. We
jerk the trigger because this gun, when it goes off,
yanks up in front of us. It obscures our vision.
This explosion goes off in front of our faces. And
whether or not we will admit it, we are afraid
(05:56):
of this explosion going off in our hands, and well
we should be. It makes sense if you close your eyes.
Number one, you're not focused on the sites being perfect
and trying to yank the trigger just when the slights
are perfect on the target, because we do that. And
the other is we're not worried about this gun jerking
(06:16):
up in our vision. And so it has happened time
and time again. And I didn't come up with this.
Somebody else did. But I'll just about guarantee you it
will be startling to you what happens. And then you're thinking, Okay,
if I could shoot like that with my eyes closed,
then I could shoot like that with my eyes open.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yes, and we'll tell me where the problem is. Is
not the trigger, and it's not the gun.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's kind of got it. It's all of us. You're
not alone in this.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Another question real quick, okay, you have any experience with
the different types of many shotgun shelves a little what
do you think about them for self defects? I know
you like the five, five, six or three of two.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Actually, actually I kind of like those little shells with
buckshot in them. They're not bad at all because you're
shooting inside of room distances at a house anyway, and you
can get an awful lot of them into a shotgun. Yeah,
I mean it's like you could probably get with an
extended mag it's a home defense gun. You probably can
get ten or twelve of them in there. Here's the
(07:31):
only thing. Some guns will not feed them well, and
it's about the carrier that catches the round and then
feeds it back up into the action when you work
with the action, whether automatic or pump. So you'd want
to verify with testing to make sure that your gun
will feed the many shells. And there actually is for
(07:52):
some pumps, like an eighth seventy I think maybe a Mosberg.
You can get an aftermarket carrier to replace the part
that's actually just ying to feed those many shells correctly.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
My age seventy will care will load them. Okay, cool,
But but if it doesn't. This was not for me,
This was for a granddaughter and I work. Just keep
that in mind.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, I would say, run a two or three basically
tubes worth through there. You know, bang bang bang bang bang.
Work of that action hard and make sure that it
will feed them all before you hand that over. Okay, yes,
good deal. Ah, I appreciate the call, great call. A
(08:37):
lot of things to think about. But yeah, yeah, that
pistol will definitely shoot one ragged hole at five yards.
It's just a case of why don't we do that? Well?
Because we are our own worst enemy. Just what it is? Okay?
Who we got? Now?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
We've got Mark?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Wait Mark, Missouri?
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Hey, Mark?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
How about those Missouri tigers? Baby?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
They're just rowing.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
They really are. They're teared it up, and you know,
I went to Missou so I follow what's going on there?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Good man. My question is, when you was something that
drunk guy, why would you go with pepper balls when
you could put a taser on there.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Just these I think they actually have a taser on
on them as well, so they can go taser, and
they can go pepper ball, uh and probably you know, look,
if you if you're gonna swarm six or ten of
these things at a time, I'm gonna tell them hit
them with everything you got.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, swarm one of them with a gun.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You know. I thought about that, and I thought, well,
I'm not opposed to what you're saying, but I see
where they're going. They're trying to buy time with this.
I don't think they could possibly get approval to have
a gun on these nobody at these schools or you know, yeah, unmanned.
(09:57):
I just just see that happening.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
There's a fi G problem and they got guns going
off at random.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
No, yeah, I just I don't think that. But look,
if they can distract this person and just have a
swarm of these things around, hit him with pepper spray
and hit him with taser or I mean, I had
somebody send me a note after that interview. He says,
these things to go a lot faster than sixty miles
an hour. You got to go watch the videos of these.
(10:24):
If they ran one of those into this dude would
knock him down.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Put nets on him if you have to put what
on him?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Nets?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
A net?
Speaker 6 (10:34):
A net?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Oh okay, huh yeah, now my girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Oh good lord, I thought you I thought you said
gnats like little bitty bugs. Yeah, I'm with you know,
I finally got a you know, whatever it takes, and
I'm sure they're experimenting all the time. Part of it
(11:06):
is that whatever they hook onto them has got to
be aerodynamic, so they can zip these things to the
hallways rooms and get yeah, lightweight, but yeah, there may
be a way to have a little net hooked up
that you can deploy. I don't you know. I'm sure
they're trying everything, and I guess maybe that's where I
ended up as like, Okay, this may not have been
my first choice, but the fact that they are working
(11:28):
on the problem and saying, okay, let's give this a
look and come in the side door and look at
it from a different angle, I'm all for that. Let's
see what happens.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's better than his deputy's sitting outside.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Okay, thank you, thank you, Yes it is bim. And
with that, thank you for your call. Certain Oh my gosh, yes, wow, yeah,
you know I kind of like the idea. It's different.
It's well innovator.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
What's the worst could happen?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
These investors lose money, it falls, it goes down the drain.
That's something if I had the liquid cash to toss
and I would investigate that more because I like the idea.
It's progressive. It's it scares me a little bit. They
can carry out a line and get to be you know,
sci fi movie, but it's going to be using way
more than schools. It's going to be using it like
oh yeah, you alluded to a little bit on the air.
(12:22):
It's factories, churches.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
And I do worry about the idea that are you
really gonna have drone operators standing by twenty four to
seven or at least d're the daylight hours for schools?
You know? Are they are you going to pay these
people to sit there in month after month they don't
do anything?
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Well, think about that.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
To get a system, you know, it's going to be pricing,
you know, the monthly contract kind of thing's got to
be several grand right, you know. And so you do
have those operators standing by.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But they're never flying the drones. I mean, I guess
you could say, Okay, they'll get to the training ops
at another location, because they're gonna these people are gonna
be sitting there and they're gonna have say they had
one hundred schools man the technology would be amazing.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah, I mean, well, obviously they'd be manned more heavily
during the day than it would be in the evening.
But right, they're gonna have to dedicated drone programming. If
it takes off that fast, they they're not gonna be
able to get enough drone operators.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
I would think they were competent. I think that idea
is great, I really do.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I think is this is this a new version of RoboCop?
Speaker 6 (13:25):
That's kind of what I was saying. It could get
a little weird.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, well yeah, definitely. And yet, you know, we've seen
these pictures of these drone swarms where they'll have one
hundred to five hundred drones doing all sorts of formation,
flying and making pictures in the sky.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
They had one of the baseball game the other night,
rip of the Mudthen's Toledo Mudhens Stadium, which is no
kid fifth third field.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
It was really cool. Oh God, I don't know number.
I'm guessing three hundred and fifty.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Maybe Wow, they're all you know, they're all tied together,
they're all navy.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Okay, imagine all right, say we've got a riot going
on downtown. Imagine having access to three hundred drones could
swarm in and do something whatever. That's something is drop
or spray from the air.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Drop the leaflets and literature.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Oh yeah, I like that idea.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Yes, that's right, mostly pamphlet free.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
They drop the leaps to say here's your sign you
wanted to sign?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
You got it?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
There, you got it. Because the next drone is going
to be carrying something that's not a piece of paper. Yes,
or okay, all right, quick break here we'll be back.
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Speaker 1 (15:14):
Hopefully back with you here. I was thinking about our
callers asking about the accuracy of his defensive pistol. And
I know people will say, oh, well, you know, human
target's big. Well, yeah, true, but the vital area is
not really that big. It is if you put your
two hands over your chest, that's about it. Yeah, So okay,
(15:37):
call it five inches square, six inch square, something like that.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Even if you went nine by nine, you're gonna cause it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Even if you went nine by nine, Okay. The idea
is that you've got to be good enough to put
all your shots into a three by five card because
when it all goes south, that group is going to
triple in size because of adrenaline, because of movement, a
lot of things going on. So if the best you
can do is a twelve to fifteen inch group, when
(16:05):
it's a piece of paper staple to a piece of cardboard,
it's not a stick. No, it's not shooting back. Yeah,
then okay we got a serious problem. You're going to
be spraying bullets all over the place. It's another reason why,
and I realize most people don't do it, they don't
want to or whatever for any number of reasons. Really,
(16:25):
go try competition somewhere. Go do a steel challenge. It's
the most unintimidating thing you can do. It's great big
pieces of steel. It's not cardboard targets, it's not a
paper target, and it's just fun and you can shoot.
What I do is I use it as training. I'm
never going to beat anybody doing that, because I'm just
(16:48):
not that guy. I've never been terribly competitive. You know.
Some people are just naturally competitive. They live their lives
that way. That's not me. But I have found it
to be a really fun way to work on my
skill set because if I don't do that, then I'm
really not working on it the way I should. So
(17:09):
I just think that any form of competition makes you
try to be better.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
And what's it gonna hurt.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, you're gonna make some friends. Oh heavens, you know,
you get to shoot your guns. You know that'd be terrible,
and then you got to go buy more Ammo bonus.
Oh it was kind of funny. We're out the rain
yesterday morning and people are One guy's showing me his
phone says, oh, look, you know this just popped up
twenty cents around for nine millimeter and I'm going does
(17:35):
that include shipping? It's what we do.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Now, right, Yeah, it is. It's a disease.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And I said, well, you know, twenty cents around. If
you're paying shipping, you might be better at this other place.
It's twenty two cents around, and they're including the free shipping, right,
free shipping, you got include I gotta figure it all out.
But all that to say that we were talking.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
About it and in the meantime you could click buy
now and got out with your life.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well that's true, but then we don't get to talk
about it endlessly. So there's that it's at a crazy
time that the imagine that we can buy this animal
at twenty two cents around right now, and there's talking
to my buddy. He says, you know, he says, I'm
buying all the time. He says, because I know it's
(18:21):
going to go back up. It always says, it goes
up and goes down. And I don't know what's going
to precipitate it, what's going to make it happen, but
something will. I mean, I think we just know it's
going to it's not a matter of if, right. We
don't know why, but we know it is going to happen.
And maybe it's whoever whatever country is mining copper says,
(18:43):
we're not going to send you any more copper. Okay,
Well that's going to be tough. It's hard to make brass,
you know, without copper. It's hard to make copper jacketed
bullets without copper. So I don't know where it issue is.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Excus me. As all the AI technology, good luck get
and silver?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Oh, I had not about that. That's why I use
a silver how well.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I mean in the microprocessors and all the circle okay,
and computers that have the supercomputers to run this stuff,
they all need silver.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Did not know that?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
That's your stock advice for the week from gym.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Saw all of my little old corners and stuff I'm hoarding,
I should hold on those.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Yeah yeah, well you'd have.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
To go back now away. And I wondering when the
last time they actually had silver and coins a while back? Now?
Yeah maybe, but you can buy you know, you can
buy silver now right, just like my gold.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
That's kind of know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
It's be a good investment based on the demand for
technology and microprocessors because of AI.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, I bought some silver I don't know fifteen twenty
years ago and it immediately went to half the price
that I paid and stayed there for twenty years, and
after twenty years it's finally back up to what I
paid for it. So I am one shrewd investor.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Just stick with me, babe. I brought some over forty
years ago and we still eat with it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah. Yeah, that's about it. Yeah. Oh oh, Speaking of AMMO,
I just learned something I did not know. Federal how
a custom AMMO program that I did not know about.
This certain rifle calibers. They will handload them.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
For you minimum order of I think one or two boxes.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Really yeah, Now they've been saying the expensive it's like
one hundred dollars a box. But but it's like you're going, okay,
I would like custom thirty oh six AMMO made, you know,
with this bullet and it's really well structured, and they
will make that Federal Custom AMMO.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
That's that much different than Smith and Wesson having a
custom shop for the hardware.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
It's just on the on the AMMO and the expendables.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
See I'm looking it up right now. Federal Premium Custom
Shop Center Fire AMMO. That's so cool. Custom rifle AMMO
three hundred mags, sixty five creed more now the six
five creed More is one hundred and ten dollars a box.
I know. And you people say, well I can buy
it for thirty dollars a box. Yes you can, and
(21:08):
that's not this right. But if you said, but I
want this loaded with this particular bullet by people who
really know what they're doing, I have no idea if
this is going to continue, and that may be floating
this and saying let's see how it goes. So I'm
already looking up. Here's this. Two of them are discontinued,
seven meg thirty.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Six eight mag available for Tommy.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Uh, probably not.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Don't nobody market market?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, there's no market for that exactly right.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Wait a minute, this is a business idea, ain't profit thing?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, but that was interesting. I was not aware of that. Actually,
Richard Mann was telling me about that when we had
an interview last week. We were talking about two eighty
four years a world. They're offering the two eighty four
in custom AMMO because I said, well, you can't nobody's
old than that. Actually, HSM, who we've had on this
show before, has to eighty four, and these guys do,
(22:03):
and I think made to order on the shelf wow. Yeah,
and uh, Lee High Defense I think has it as well.
And that's about it. I mean, two eighty fours are
pretty specialized, and it was a great cartridge that didn't
work commercially, but it's still a really great rifle cartridge.
(22:24):
So but you know, so everything else that's around it,
like the seven mm eight and the to eighty and
exactly and on and on and on, it's like, yeah, okay,
so this one is always going to be primarily a
handloaders deal. So there you go. Yeah cool, So that's it.
I would say, uh, get out to the range, do
(22:44):
some shooting, make yourself shoot at something small for you know,
here's a good drill, shoot the target, and then put
the next shot through the same bullet hole. That's your target.
Now there's a bullet hole.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
So even if you're off off tart on the first one,
you're not acquired a new.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Right right now. And let me tell you, when you're
aiming at a target that is simply a bullet hole,
you better be careful with your trigger press and your
aiming and everything else. You're going to find out because
you at five yards, honestly, you should be able to
shoot ten shots slow fire slow as you want, and
(23:24):
they should all be you should be able to cover
them with I want to say fifty cent piece, but
that may be too difficult for some people. But you know,
even a dollar bill, you should definitely be able to
cover them with a dollar bill.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Yes, okay, folded dollar bill? All right, where are we
going to fold it?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Actually, half of a dollar bill would probably be a
good good measurement.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Yea, probably what two inches by two and a half.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
To two by two something like that. Yeah. Yeah, So
so next go fold a dollar bill and paste it
up on your target and shoot holes in a dollar bill.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Now, it doesn't work for one hundred dollar bills.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, because they're so much bigger. They're like one hundred times.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
You're using one hundred dollars box animal, Then you can
use it, got it?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Oh, then you can do that. That's right. Then you
don't need my help. You need mental help.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Like there's a whole Cigars with one hundred dollars bill
right there.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You go, All right, Well, we're going to have a
fun and very different show next week, and people need
to tune into that because we're doing things very differently
for a pretty good reason. We'll tell you about that
later on. We're not gonna give it away now.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
It's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
They can follow it a couple different ways. That's the
cool part.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh, it aren't you unders, that's all. You're doing stuff differently. Okay,
it'll be fun. All right, Well, thank you, sir, appreciate it.
Appreciate brief for helping us out today.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
You just got a hat away from us, so you're good.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
All right, you guys have a great week.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
You saved.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
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That we can't say on regular radio. Now, here's Tom,
Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk after Show.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It is time for after show where we gather well,
you know the real it's Jim Kinsey and me and
not Michelle this week because.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
And just finally not even not not Michelle, because even
Tom's not yours.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
We don't have Michelle and not Michelle. They did, they
just like get fed up with you.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
That was years ago. Ope, years ago.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
No, we had a unexpected funerals, so rip to pat
up in Michigan and Michelle had some family stuff that
she had scheduled months ago.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
She's got a life apart from us. This is not
except to that.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
So we got to breed a fill in on phones
and do double duty here.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, thank you de Bree. We appreciate her filling in
we got Scott, we got Mark. You guys, don't go anywhere.
We're going to get to you. And just a fact,
let's just go ahead and pull Scott in here from
Carson City, Nevada. Scott, thank you for your patience. You
have made it into the after show.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
That sounds like a good place to be.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
There, you go.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You won't let us hang out any other place, so
this is our own place.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
True. True.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
You had made a comment a while back talking about
defensive shooting. You said you should be able to get
so many rounds into some the size of playing card
at five yards. Yeah, was that a percentage or was
that six rounds out of six or what was that?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Well, there's there's no particular rule, and I think it's
had a playing card. I think I said, like four
x six index card a playing card would be pretty
tough for most of us. But the four by six
index card is actually three by five two work or
three by five three by five. You know, what we're
(02:18):
talking about is just really focusing on trying to make
hits regardless of how fast you shoot. So I would
say slow down until you can make because look the
reality is most people I see at the range it
would be hopeless for them to try to hit a
three by five index card at seven yards or even
(02:41):
five yards. If you said, okay, you got ten shots,
put them all in there, because I think it ought
to be one hundred percent of the hits just with
no timeline. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Well, this comes to my next question in terms of
of how what country is an accurate pistol? Because I
had been looking to do this, and I can put
about twenty percent into a three x five and about
nine eight into an eight and a half by eleven
(03:12):
sheet of paper.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
At what distance? This is?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Five yards?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay? With what done?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
This is with a springfield st nine.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Okay, that gun will probably shoot two inch groups at
that distance.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
A If it does, then I need to work do
a whole much more work on my shooting.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I think we have just arrived at the realization. I
would suggest trying to shoot that pistol off of sandbags
where there's abstutely no movement whatsoever, and see what you get.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Okay, have a buddy shooting. Have a buddy shoot and
see how he does with it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, the buddy's probably worse.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
There's a reference for you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Seriously that pistol should be at Did you say five yards? Yes, yeah,
you know, seriously, five yards just youd be just one
ragged hole.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
So I definitely need to spend a lot more time
and do some more work.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yes, let me help you. Let me help you with that.
I can fix this problem right here. If you were
by yourself, some dummy rounds just inert snapcaps and mix
them in with your live rounds in the magazine, and
just go to the range and shoot and watch what
happens when it goes to click instead of banging when
(04:38):
you don't know what's going to Chances are excellent that
the sites are way off the target. When it goes click,
you're yanking the trigger almost certainly.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Could be worth it. Definitely something to try.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay, here's another way. Here's something else to try. This
is going to sound insane. Get all lined up with
live AMMO, line up on the three by five card,
and just before you pull the trigger, close both your
eyes and pull the trigger. Seriously, get all lined up,
(05:14):
set up, ready to shoot, and just like half a
second before you pull the trigger, close your eyes and
then just press the trigger. When you open your eyes,
the bullet hole is going to be right in the
center of that three by five card. Yeah, it doesn't
cost anything. And you know what, nobody even knows you're
doing it, So it's not like embarrassing or anything else.
(05:35):
It's like and except that when they go, wow, that
dude is really shooting. Well, here's what's going on. We
jerk the trigger because this gun, when it goes off,
yanks up in front of us. It obscures our vision.
This explosion goes off in front of our faces. And
whether or not we will admit it, we are afraid
(05:56):
of this explosion going off in our hands, and well
we should be. It makes sense if you close your eyes.
Number one, you're not focused on the sites being perfect
and trying to yank the trigger just when the slights
are perfect on the target, because we do that. And
the other is we're not worried about this gun jerking
(06:16):
up in our vision. And so it has happened time
and time again. And I didn't come up with this.
Somebody else did. But I'll just about guarantee you it
will be startling to you what happens. And then you're thinking, Okay,
if I could shoot like that with my eyes closed,
then I could shoot like that with my eyes open.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yes, and we'll tell me where the problem is. Is
not the trigger, and it's not the gun.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's kind of got it. It's all of us. You're
not alone in this.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Another question real quick, okay, you have any experience with
the different types of many shotgun shelves a little what
do you think about them for self defects? I know
you like the five, five, six or three of two.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Actually, actually I kind of like those little shells with
buckshot in them. They're not bad at all because you're
shooting inside of room distances at a house anyway, and you
can get an awful lot of them into a shotgun. Yeah,
I mean it's like you could probably get with an
extended mag it's a home defense gun. You probably can
get ten or twelve of them in there. Here's the
(07:31):
only thing. Some guns will not feed them well, and
it's about the carrier that catches the round and then
feeds it back up into the action when you work
with the action, whether automatic or pump. So you'd want
to verify with testing to make sure that your gun
will feed the many shells. And there actually is for
(07:52):
some pumps, like an eighth seventy I think maybe a Mosberg.
You can get an aftermarket carrier to replace the part
that's actually just ying to feed those many shells correctly.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
My age seventy will care will load them. Okay, cool,
But but if it doesn't. This was not for me,
This was for a granddaughter and I work. Just keep
that in mind.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, I would say, run a two or three basically
tubes worth through there. You know, bang bang bang bang bang.
Work of that action hard and make sure that it
will feed them all before you hand that over. Okay, yes,
good deal. Ah, I appreciate the call, great call. A
(08:37):
lot of things to think about. But yeah, yeah, that
pistol will definitely shoot one ragged hole at five yards.
It's just a case of why don't we do that? Well?
Because we are our own worst enemy. Just what it is? Okay?
Who we got? Now?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
We've got Mark?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Wait Mark, Missouri?
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Hey, Mark?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
How about those Missouri tigers? Baby?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
They're just rowing.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
They really are. They're teared it up, and you know,
I went to Missou so I follow what's going on there?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Good man. My question is, when you was something that
drunk guy, why would you go with pepper balls when
you could put a taser on there.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Just these I think they actually have a taser on
on them as well, so they can go taser, and
they can go pepper ball, uh and probably you know, look,
if you if you're gonna swarm six or ten of
these things at a time, I'm gonna tell them hit
them with everything you got.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, swarm one of them with a gun.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You know. I thought about that, and I thought, well,
I'm not opposed to what you're saying, but I see
where they're going. They're trying to buy time with this.
I don't think they could possibly get approval to have
a gun on these nobody at these schools or you know, yeah, unmanned.
(09:57):
I just just see that happening.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
There's a fi G problem and they got guns going
off at random.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
No, yeah, I just I don't think that. But look,
if they can distract this person and just have a
swarm of these things around, hit him with pepper spray
and hit him with taser or I mean, I had
somebody send me a note after that interview. He says,
these things to go a lot faster than sixty miles
an hour. You got to go watch the videos of these.
(10:24):
If they ran one of those into this dude would
knock him down.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Put nets on him if you have to put what
on him?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Nets?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
A net?
Speaker 6 (10:34):
A net?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Oh okay, huh yeah, now my girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Oh good lord, I thought you I thought you said
gnats like little bitty bugs. Yeah, I'm with you know,
I finally got a you know, whatever it takes, and
I'm sure they're experimenting all the time. Part of it
(11:06):
is that whatever they hook onto them has got to
be aerodynamic, so they can zip these things to the
hallways rooms and get yeah, lightweight, but yeah, there may
be a way to have a little net hooked up
that you can deploy. I don't you know. I'm sure
they're trying everything, and I guess maybe that's where I
ended up as like, Okay, this may not have been
my first choice, but the fact that they are working
(11:28):
on the problem and saying, okay, let's give this a
look and come in the side door and look at
it from a different angle, I'm all for that. Let's
see what happens.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's better than his deputy's sitting outside.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Okay, thank you, thank you, Yes it is bim. And
with that, thank you for your call. Certain Oh my gosh, yes, wow, yeah,
you know I kind of like the idea. It's different.
It's well innovator.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
What's the worst could happen?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
These investors lose money, it falls, it goes down the drain.
That's something if I had the liquid cash to toss
and I would investigate that more because I like the idea.
It's progressive. It's it scares me a little bit. They
can carry out a line and get to be you know,
sci fi movie, but it's going to be using way
more than schools. It's going to be using it like
oh yeah, you alluded to a little bit on the air.
(12:22):
It's factories, churches.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
And I do worry about the idea that are you
really gonna have drone operators standing by twenty four to
seven or at least d're the daylight hours for schools?
You know? Are they are you going to pay these
people to sit there in month after month they don't
do anything?
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Well, think about that.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
To get a system, you know, it's going to be pricing,
you know, the monthly contract kind of thing's got to
be several grand right, you know. And so you do
have those operators standing by.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But they're never flying the drones. I mean, I guess
you could say, Okay, they'll get to the training ops
at another location, because they're gonna these people are gonna
be sitting there and they're gonna have say they had
one hundred schools man the technology would be amazing.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah, I mean, well, obviously they'd be manned more heavily
during the day than it would be in the evening.
But right, they're gonna have to dedicated drone programming. If
it takes off that fast, they they're not gonna be
able to get enough drone operators.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
I would think they were competent. I think that idea
is great, I really do.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I think is this is this a new version of RoboCop?
Speaker 6 (13:25):
That's kind of what I was saying. It could get
a little weird.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, well yeah, definitely. And yet, you know, we've seen
these pictures of these drone swarms where they'll have one
hundred to five hundred drones doing all sorts of formation,
flying and making pictures in the sky.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
They had one of the baseball game the other night,
rip of the Mudthen's Toledo Mudhens Stadium, which is no
kid fifth third field.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
It was really cool. Oh God, I don't know number.
I'm guessing three hundred and fifty.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Maybe Wow, they're all you know, they're all tied together,
they're all navy.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Okay, imagine all right, say we've got a riot going
on downtown. Imagine having access to three hundred drones could
swarm in and do something whatever. That's something is drop
or spray from the air.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Drop the leaflets and literature.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Oh yeah, I like that idea.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Yes, that's right, mostly pamphlet free.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
They drop the leaps to say here's your sign you
wanted to sign?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
You got it?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
There, you got it. Because the next drone is going
to be carrying something that's not a piece of paper. Yes,
or okay, all right, quick break here we'll be back.
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Speaker 1 (15:14):
Hopefully back with you here. I was thinking about our
callers asking about the accuracy of his defensive pistol. And
I know people will say, oh, well, you know, human
target's big. Well, yeah, true, but the vital area is
not really that big. It is if you put your
two hands over your chest, that's about it. Yeah, So okay,
(15:37):
call it five inches square, six inch square, something like that.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Even if you went nine by nine, you're gonna cause it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Even if you went nine by nine, Okay. The idea
is that you've got to be good enough to put
all your shots into a three by five card because
when it all goes south, that group is going to
triple in size because of adrenaline, because of movement, a
lot of things going on. So if the best you
can do is a twelve to fifteen inch group, when
(16:05):
it's a piece of paper staple to a piece of cardboard,
it's not a stick. No, it's not shooting back. Yeah,
then okay we got a serious problem. You're going to
be spraying bullets all over the place. It's another reason why,
and I realize most people don't do it, they don't
want to or whatever for any number of reasons. Really,
(16:25):
go try competition somewhere. Go do a steel challenge. It's
the most unintimidating thing you can do. It's great big
pieces of steel. It's not cardboard targets, it's not a
paper target, and it's just fun and you can shoot.
What I do is I use it as training. I'm
never going to beat anybody doing that, because I'm just
(16:48):
not that guy. I've never been terribly competitive. You know.
Some people are just naturally competitive. They live their lives
that way. That's not me. But I have found it
to be a really fun way to work on my
skill set because if I don't do that, then I'm
really not working on it the way I should. So
(17:09):
I just think that any form of competition makes you
try to be better.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
And what's it gonna hurt.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, you're gonna make some friends. Oh heavens, you know,
you get to shoot your guns. You know that'd be terrible,
and then you got to go buy more Ammo bonus.
Oh it was kind of funny. We're out the rain
yesterday morning and people are One guy's showing me his
phone says, oh, look, you know this just popped up
twenty cents around for nine millimeter and I'm going does
(17:35):
that include shipping? It's what we do.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Now, right, Yeah, it is. It's a disease.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And I said, well, you know, twenty cents around. If
you're paying shipping, you might be better at this other place.
It's twenty two cents around, and they're including the free shipping, right,
free shipping, you got include I gotta figure it all out.
But all that to say that we were talking.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
About it and in the meantime you could click buy
now and got out with your life.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well that's true, but then we don't get to talk
about it endlessly. So there's that it's at a crazy
time that the imagine that we can buy this animal
at twenty two cents around right now, and there's talking
to my buddy. He says, you know, he says, I'm
buying all the time. He says, because I know it's
(18:21):
going to go back up. It always says, it goes
up and goes down. And I don't know what's going
to precipitate it, what's going to make it happen, but
something will. I mean, I think we just know it's
going to it's not a matter of if, right. We
don't know why, but we know it is going to happen.
And maybe it's whoever whatever country is mining copper says,
(18:43):
we're not going to send you any more copper. Okay,
Well that's going to be tough. It's hard to make brass,
you know, without copper. It's hard to make copper jacketed
bullets without copper. So I don't know where it issue is.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Excus me. As all the AI technology, good luck get
and silver?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Oh, I had not about that. That's why I use
a silver how well.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I mean in the microprocessors and all the circle okay,
and computers that have the supercomputers to run this stuff,
they all need silver.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Did not know that?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
That's your stock advice for the week from gym.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Saw all of my little old corners and stuff I'm hoarding,
I should hold on those.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Yeah yeah, well you'd have.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
To go back now away. And I wondering when the
last time they actually had silver and coins a while back? Now?
Yeah maybe, but you can buy you know, you can
buy silver now right, just like my gold.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
That's kind of know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
It's be a good investment based on the demand for
technology and microprocessors because of AI.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, I bought some silver I don't know fifteen twenty
years ago and it immediately went to half the price
that I paid and stayed there for twenty years, and
after twenty years it's finally back up to what I
paid for it. So I am one shrewd investor.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Just stick with me, babe. I brought some over forty
years ago and we still eat with it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah. Yeah, that's about it. Yeah. Oh oh, Speaking of AMMO,
I just learned something I did not know. Federal how
a custom AMMO program that I did not know about.
This certain rifle calibers. They will handload them.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
For you minimum order of I think one or two boxes.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Really yeah, Now they've been saying the expensive it's like
one hundred dollars a box. But but it's like you're going, okay,
I would like custom thirty oh six AMMO made, you know,
with this bullet and it's really well structured, and they
will make that Federal Custom AMMO.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
That's that much different than Smith and Wesson having a
custom shop for the hardware.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
It's just on the on the AMMO and the expendables.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
See I'm looking it up right now. Federal Premium Custom
Shop Center Fire AMMO. That's so cool. Custom rifle AMMO
three hundred mags, sixty five creed more now the six
five creed More is one hundred and ten dollars a box.
I know. And you people say, well I can buy
it for thirty dollars a box. Yes you can, and
(21:08):
that's not this right. But if you said, but I
want this loaded with this particular bullet by people who
really know what they're doing, I have no idea if
this is going to continue, and that may be floating
this and saying let's see how it goes. So I'm
already looking up. Here's this. Two of them are discontinued,
seven meg thirty.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Six eight mag available for Tommy.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Uh, probably not.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Don't nobody market market?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, there's no market for that exactly right.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Wait a minute, this is a business idea, ain't profit thing?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, but that was interesting. I was not aware of that. Actually,
Richard Mann was telling me about that when we had
an interview last week. We were talking about two eighty
four years a world. They're offering the two eighty four
in custom AMMO because I said, well, you can't nobody's
old than that. Actually, HSM, who we've had on this
show before, has to eighty four, and these guys do,
(22:03):
and I think made to order on the shelf wow. Yeah,
and uh, Lee High Defense I think has it as well.
And that's about it. I mean, two eighty fours are
pretty specialized, and it was a great cartridge that didn't
work commercially, but it's still a really great rifle cartridge.
(22:24):
So but you know, so everything else that's around it,
like the seven mm eight and the to eighty and
exactly and on and on and on, it's like, yeah, okay,
so this one is always going to be primarily a
handloaders deal. So there you go. Yeah cool, So that's it.
I would say, uh, get out to the range, do
(22:44):
some shooting, make yourself shoot at something small for you know,
here's a good drill, shoot the target, and then put
the next shot through the same bullet hole. That's your target.
Now there's a bullet hole.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
So even if you're off off tart on the first one,
you're not acquired a new.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Right right now. And let me tell you, when you're
aiming at a target that is simply a bullet hole,
you better be careful with your trigger press and your
aiming and everything else. You're going to find out because
you at five yards, honestly, you should be able to
shoot ten shots slow fire slow as you want, and
(23:24):
they should all be you should be able to cover
them with I want to say fifty cent piece, but
that may be too difficult for some people. But you know,
even a dollar bill, you should definitely be able to
cover them with a dollar bill.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Yes, okay, folded dollar bill? All right, where are we
going to fold it?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Actually, half of a dollar bill would probably be a
good good measurement.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Yea, probably what two inches by two and a half.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
To two by two something like that. Yeah. Yeah, So
so next go fold a dollar bill and paste it
up on your target and shoot holes in a dollar bill.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Now, it doesn't work for one hundred dollar bills.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, because they're so much bigger. They're like one hundred times.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
You're using one hundred dollars box animal, Then you can
use it, got it?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Oh, then you can do that. That's right. Then you
don't need my help. You need mental help.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Like there's a whole Cigars with one hundred dollars bill
right there.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You go, All right, Well, we're going to have a
fun and very different show next week, and people need
to tune into that because we're doing things very differently
for a pretty good reason. We'll tell you about that
later on. We're not gonna give it away now.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
It's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
They can follow it a couple different ways. That's the
cool part.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh, it aren't you unders, that's all. You're doing stuff differently. Okay,
it'll be fun. All right, Well, thank you, sir, appreciate it.
Appreciate brief for helping us out today.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
You just got a hat away from us, so you're good.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
All right, you guys have a great week.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
You saved.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
We'll catch you next time for the gun talk after show.
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