August 27, 2025 • 32 mins
Gun Talk’s own Chris Cerino sits down with Gun Talk Nation’s Ryan Gresham after returning from a training course at SIG Sauer Academy. Chis is Gun Talk’s Producer of Training Content, Range Ready’s Director of Training, and a veteran LEO, and he recently took himself and his training staff to the SIG Academy.
The crew tested themselves in training by using micro-compact pistols, and Chris brings you up to speed on his training “revelations,” how well his “boys” developed, the unique concepts and challenges that SIG training presents, and much more.
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The crew tested themselves in training by using micro-compact pistols, and Chris brings you up to speed on his training “revelations,” how well his “boys” developed, the unique concepts and challenges that SIG training presents, and much more.
Train with Chris at Range Ready: https://www.rangereadystudios.com/training-courses
This Gun Talk Nation is brought to you by Safariland, Military Armament Corp., Range Ready Studios, Savage Arms, and Guns & Gear.
About Gun Talk Nation
Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Nation with Ryan Gresham is a weekly multi-platform podcast that offers a fresh look at all things firearms-related. Featuring notable guests and a lot of laughs. Gun Talk Nation is available as an audio podcast or in video format.
For more content from Gun Talk Media, visit guntalk.com or subscribe on YouTube, Rumble, Facebook, Instagram, and X. Catch First Person Defender on the new Official FPD YouTube channel. Catch Gun Talk Hunt on the new dedicated YouTube Channel. Listen to all Gun Talk Podcasts with Spreaker, iHeart, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts.
Copyright ©2025 Freefire Media, LLC
Gun Talk Nation 08.27.25
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/gun-talk--6185159/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When you started learning to drive, did you buy a
car and start driving or did you like maybe take
more than I don't know, four hours of training.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
No, I don't know. I probably just got in a
car one day and took it but didn't come on.
There was a time I ended up in Broady Heights jail.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntog Nation gun
Talgnation is brought to you by safari Land Military Armament Corporation,
(00:42):
Range Ready, Savage and Guns and Gear. So, Chris, I
was at gun site one time for a media event.
And you've been a gun site, yeah, a bunch of times.
It's a gunsite, great train facility out there in Arizona.
We were doing some media event and and it's a
(01:03):
big place, so they'll have multiple classes and events going
on at the same time, and everybody kind of comes
back to the same big pavilion to eat your lunch.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, I've been. There's sandwich, right, so.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Everybody's kind of hanging out. Well all the could be
three or four different classes going at the same time,
and everyone's eating lunch pretty much the same time. I
think kind of overlaps with each other. And then that's
when you see other people like, oh, what are you
here for? Oh, precision rifle. Oh, I'm here for this whatever.
And so uh look up and I see James Yeager,
the trainer really and I'm like, James, you're not here
(01:36):
for that. I think it was a Mosburg event. You're
not here for the Mosburg event, are you? No, man,
I'm just here. I'm just doing some training, like you're
you're just taking a class, because yeah, I'm taking the
two fifty pistol class. That's their basic five day I
mean it's a five day class, but it's their sure,
their first you know, pistol one. I call it pistol one, like,
no kidding. And I talked to the gun side guys.
(01:57):
They're like, yeah, he just paid his money and came.
He wanted to come train. He'd never been to gunside.
He wanted to see how we did it. And I
thought that's pretty cool because a lot of times in
the tactical training community, people have their way of doing
things and it's a lot of you know, there's a
lot of butt sniffing.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Oh yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
These guys of like, but is he super tactical? Was
he a ranger and steel team delta, right, So I
thought that was pretty cool. So you just got back
from some training, are you and our our other range
instructor guys, and so I thought we'd talked about it.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, A majority of my Illustrious crew was there. There
was six of us total, including myself. We were out
at six hour and I've I've been there to train before,
but it's been a long time, and I I can't
believe how fun it was.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Six hour Academy. Now, what's funny about you? Well, one
of the things that's funny about you, Chris, is you
were the director of training content, producer of training content
here right, Yes, And you tell me that you have
no certifications? Is that a joke?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah? I mean I have a bunch of certifications. They're
all older than dirt. And I mean I have books
and books full of certificates and certifications, and I mean federal, state, local, Gosh,
I have a lot. I mean, I just haven't had
one in a long time, and I just got a
new one. And we not only did we get the
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new one, but we we achieved the Illustrious patch, which
means you went above and beyond.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
All right, So this was pretty cool. We obviously we
know some of the guys at SIG. I've been to
SIG Academy before, haven't taken a class there, I've just filmed.
What was the class and how'd this come about?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, this is their Pistol Instructor class, and I really
wanted to get the boys out there because honestly, the
boys have only trained with me. But since I'm not
really certified.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
The boys, so the boys and Chris his sons exactly,
Taylor officially.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Taylor, Brad, Shane Gabe.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
These are the guys who helped out with our classes
and events and stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And Chuck's a year older than me, but he's still
one of the boys. And so so anyhow.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Our training cadre we did.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
We took my firstborn, you know, my firstborn part of
the group, you know, Taylor, Brad Shane Gabe. Yeah, and
of course Chuck, who's who's kind of a recent edition,
but he's local and he's here, you know, and he's retired,
and he's he's available.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And he's and he's done quite a bit of training too.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
He is a die hard trainer. He is uh. He
is also in love with six Hours and their training
and their stuff. I mean, he's been to a lot
of their classes, and he knew that it was going
to be challenging. And had I known it was going
to be that challenging, I wouldn't have had all all
the boys shoot the ex macros. I mean we probably
(05:03):
could have done a little better with.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Full Yeah, this is not really yeah, I mean like
five days of pistol instruction, you guys went through fifteen
hundred rounds each about.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
You guys chose to shoot not necessarily full size range guns.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, we shot compact guns. And why is that? Well,
you train hard to fight easy, and the boys are
always everybody's always looking for that advantage. You know. They
want the better the fanciest trigger, the fanciest sites, they
want the customized grip. I mean they want everything tricked out,
so it's easy. Well, when you do a five day
class like that and you shoot a production gun and
(05:42):
I shot iron sights, I was the only one in
the class that shot iron sights out of ten old man, Yeah,
I mean I struggled on the distance shots. I'm not
going to lie to you. I had three line cutters,
and they don't count line cutters at all on the qualification,
So I actually got the lowest qualification of our entire group.
So I was proud of that, not proud for myself,
(06:04):
but proud of all the boys for beating me on that.
But iron sights is a challenge, and when the sun's
not right, I mean I could literally not see the
bodies of the sites. I was just having to put
my colored dot down in that notch and just kind
of send it. And six targets have a very it's
a non non visible scoring area. Look at high center chess,
(06:27):
so you're kind of guessing where it is, and you
know that would entail a whole other set of vision.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well that's kind of I mean that's on purpose though,
right they don't want you looking at that. I imagine, Yeah,
they don't.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I mean, you're going to shoot a print. See that's
the thing. They didn't really talk about a lot of
defensive stuff. They don't like to do that, and I
understand because they get a lot of different people. So
but we nonetheless used still use the humanoid target, which
was a photocopy of a human and we were shooting
high center chests because that makes sense. But yeah, I
mean it was fantastic. The instructors were amazing. I think
(07:03):
probably there was. There's like three three relevations that I had, revelations, relevations, revelations,
three revelations that I had. I know, I'm thinking words
have meanings. Oh my gosh. So the first one was, man,
I was really proud of the boys because they kicked
the butt. And then I realized that, man, the boys
(07:25):
really don't have any training other than being with me
for the last three years.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And that's important. I mean, you have to have a
variety of training. I think that we've said it before,
probably on some of these shows. Is like when you
go to a class, you think it's great. If it's
your first one, probably it's great. I mean, even if
you went to somewhere where we know it's not the
best out there, you're still like, this is great. I
(07:50):
learned a lot. Yeah, And then you go to another
one and another one, and then you start going, well,
I like what he did, but I didn't like what
they did. And you know, you realize is that the
people who have the dogma there is this way to
run a slide, there is this way to hold a gun,
there's this way to press a trigger. Probably they've been
to one class or lots of classes from the same person.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, well, and the thing and the third thing that
was amazing. So number one, I trained them and I
gave them solid fundamentals, which is what I give everybody
in all our classes here. I mean, if you don't
have a solid foundation, you can't really build on it.
You have to be able to shoot first. And then
the last thing that I was impressed with was how
similar we were doing. But you know six hour and
(08:35):
the people that ran Sick Academy many many, many years ago,
they heavily influenced the United States Federal Air Marshals. Oh really,
Oh yeah, so they had a lot of those people
up there.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Is that because the air marshals were carrying SIGs. I
know a lot of times to get a federal contract
on selling guns to some group, you include training in that.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, And I'm not sure how that all played out,
but those those big players like George Harris and all them,
they they influenced my shooting through that. They ultimately ended
up at SIG working there, so SIG kind of morphed
into that. So I was really surprised how similar everything was.
(09:20):
Was Georgia and Air Marshall, No, No, he was just
ran sig Academy. Oh okay, okay, but anyways, I couldn't
believe how similar it is to what we're doing, what
I've been doing for so many years. I mean it was,
I mean it was, it was uncanny. But man, I
learned so many little details here. Again. You know, you
always learn how to say something different, do something different,
(09:42):
do it a little bit better, or you know, because
different isn't wrong. I was a field training officer and
police work. Different isn't wrong. Just because someone doesn't do
it the way you do it doesn't mean it's wrong.
And man, everybody, the boys were we took so many notes.
We wrote so many things down. We're going to incorporate
some new things in the training. There was things that
(10:03):
they did that I used to do that I forgot
how to do. I mean, just so many things like
certain drills, just little drills that we did that I
really when we started doing two day classes here, I
just didn't have time to do it all. So I
haven't been doing it for so long. But now that
we're back to three day classes, we can add all
(10:24):
that stuff back.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Let's talk about that. So it's funny, you guys, obviously
we've got range Ready. Range Ready Studios dot Com is
our training division, and we have released a batch of
new classes on the fall schedule, and we got more coming.
We got more coming for the fall, we got more
coming in the spring. So I know everybody's like, well,
all do you have more classes. Yes, there'll be more,
(10:45):
and we're gonna add them. We're not going to wait
so long this time. We'll be adding more. But there's
quite a bit of discussion of should it be a
one day class, should it be a two day class,
a three day class, Should it be on a weekend,
should it be on a weekday because us, we're trying
to accommodate you guys and gals who want to come train,
(11:06):
and it's hard to make it perfect. Like there's it's
not going to work for everybody. But we'd do a
two day class and we'd say, man, if we just
had a third day, just imagine how much better they.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Could get, right, And that's the whole idea. It's because
my classes worth three days back in the day, we
got so much done. I trained so many gunfighters, and
I think it's time to just do it because the
problem is we get so many people that don't know
what they're doing, come to a class that we have
(11:41):
to go back to square one anyways in order to
limp them along. So why don't we just go from
soup to nuts, have the full meal deal, show everybody
you know what they what they need to know, and
some of them are going to know it. And honestly,
if you already know it, or if you have a
pretty good idea what it is, what great practice time
(12:04):
because now you're not learning the whole thing right right, there's.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Nothing wrong with going back to the basics.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I know you have a have a whole thing about that,
but I mean I've I stepped into our classes and
I'll just run stuff. That's I mean, it's pretty basic
for me. Okay, draw, shoot two shots into the body
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You go.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But you're thinking about your draw, you're thinking about your grip,
you're thinking about your trigger pressure, you're thinking about your sites,
and you're not trying to do whiz bang stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Siga was no different, really, I mean that's all we did.
We we stuck to the fundamentals the entire time. There
there is no advanced training, only advanced applications of the basics.
I mean, then we then we did one hand, then
we did the other hand, then we did reload drills,
and we did some move meant but nonetheless, every one
(13:02):
of them comes down to sites on target, press trigger. Yeah,
you know, I mean what else is there. I mean,
if you can't make shots, you can't do anything else.
I mean, you can play along, but you're gonna suck.
I mean, it's kind of I mean, it's a true thing.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So five, it's a five day course. Yes, that's a
that's a lot of days of shooting a gun.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah. I have some worn through holes on my well,
I have one worn through hole on this hand. My
hands feel pretty good. The boys were like, man, how
do you shoot these little guns all the time. I said, well,
that's why I'm so good when I pick up bigger guns.
You know, when I shoot bigger guns, and I shoot
guns that have better triggers and in better ergonomics or
(13:47):
you know, just a little more you know, luxurious. It's
like driving a you know, a little car is a
little more difficult than driving a little bigger car. Maybe
that's got a little better suspension and stuff. I don't know. Hell,
it's it's something.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
That's something to talk about because people get there like, well,
this is my gun, and I was telling somebody who'd
come in here. I was like, what I really think
is cool is not that you shoot really well with
your tricked out gun. What I think is really cool
is when you could pick up any gun and run it.
And there's a there's a difference between like the car analogy, right,
(14:26):
the way you can drive a nineteen eighty nine for
Taurus on a track versus the way you can drive
a Corvette on a track is different. Sure, but you
have to know that going in. It's like, okay, this
is kind of how fast I can go with this machine.
Same for guns. This is I'm gonna need a little
extra site picture or I'm gonna have to really just
(14:49):
keep pressing this trigger because the trigger is not good,
or the trigger is a long pull, or it's heavier
or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Grip's going to have to be stronger because the trigger
really sucks. You know, I'm going to shoot the world's
again here. You know, end of September into October, we
got the NA World Shooting Championships coming up, and that's
exactly what those skills are for going to a match
like that. Where you're gonna shoot all those different guns.
They're just factory guns, straight out of the box, laid
(15:16):
on the table, and that's where the one Trick ponies
have really hard times.
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planning for this to be a segue to talk about
the world shoot, but it kind of is a perfect segue.
It's great timing because, yeah, pick up any pistol, let's
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lay ten of them out there. And there's a DASA,
there's a glock, there's a nineteen eleven, there's a revolver,
there's whatever. Pick them all up and shoot them. If
you can do that and shoot all of them pretty well,
that's pretty impressive to me. But if you're like, I'm
really awesome with my taran Tactical Innovations gun and that's
(18:58):
the only gun I own, that's fine, But it doesn't
mean you're real versatile.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, and that happens a lot people get. I mean,
remember what I say, beware the man with one gun.
He probably knows how to use it. And that's great.
But when you don't have your one gun, I mean,
you still have to make other guns work.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, you can't just be spraying and praying. So the
world shoot is an interesting event because no one brings
their own guns.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Correct, All the guns are provided.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, one year they did a division where you could
bring your own guns to compete and the challenges and
it really wasn't It wasn't great. Nobody thought it was fair,
and they never did it again. Okay, So that happened once.
But yeah, the guns are all supplied, the ammas are
the AMMO is supplied, and the courses of fire are
what they are. I mean, there's twelve different disciplines over
(19:49):
three or four days. For me, it's like top shot
in a weekend.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Twelve different disciplines. So like, what type of disciplines.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Well, there's five stan, there might be trap, there might
be sporting plays. They'll be small boar like bullseye. They'll
be you know, single handed, you know, forty five bullseye.
There'll be two gun, maybe three gun, probably not. There'll
(20:19):
be a Byankee stage, you know, like the falling plates.
They'll have long range precision, they'll have intermediate precision uspsa
cowboy action everything. Oh yeah, and I wish I could
remember it all, you know, but it's like all like
biathlon that'll be there. Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Wow, So why do you keep going to this shoot?
Because this seems like the one that you'd never want
to miss.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, it is. It's the only match I've shot consistently
since it started. I didn't shoot it during the COVID
years because they didn't have it, and I only missed
one and it was because I had cancer. The very
I think was the very first World Shoot. The lame excuse, Yeah,
I know, right, I mean you're just dying. You're not dying,
(21:08):
You're just dying. I mean you could have gone, I
want to match with no hair. So anyways, that was
straight after anyhow, So yeah, the World Shoot's cool. I'm
going It's in Indiana and Minneapolis this year. I guess
they're going to keep it there. Last year they had it,
it was a little too early in the spring. It
was really really cold, wicked cold. We had rain, we
(21:29):
had snow, we had frost, we had wind. It was
just miserable. It's at some military base up there West Virginia. No,
it's an Indian Indiana, just outside of Indianapolis. And I
and we did. I went up there, GiB, GiB and
I went because you know, everybody knows Gilbert Gilbert Francis O'Neill,
So GiB and I were up there. I think like
(21:52):
the boys would love it. But see, there's still kind
of one trick ponies. They're really glued to those competition guns.
They love competition, but they love their guns.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I mean, don't get me wrong, our our young guys,
the instructors, as Chris calls them, the boys. They're fantastic.
And what's funny is we've had people who've students, who
customers who've come and they they said, at first, I
thought all these young guys are going to be, you know,
full of themselves, not helpful. Whatever they say, It was
just the opposite. They're completely great, friendly, helpful now. But
(22:26):
they are kind of that like their main striker fired
red dot shooting pistol guys. Oh ye fall into that.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, it's ridiculous, but yeah, so the the world shoots
a big deal. I'm going out, gonna meet give up.
There'd be driving up. I wish anybody that wants to
sign up for that should sign up for it. I'm
not sure it used to fill up really fast all
the time, but I mean it's it probably costs four
hundred and fifty bucks and then it's a few days
up there in hotels and stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Terrible considering that all the guns and ammunition is provided.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Correct, which is cool. So you kind of just go.
You show up and you shoot your game. And they
have an amateur division. They have one half of the
the field will be amateurs, the other half will be professionals.
Of course I get lumped into professionals because I've been
a semi pro ever since I was on top, shot
of worse.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And then you could be an amateur.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I know. But then if you honestly, I think, if
you're shoot an amateur division, you get spanked even harder
because some of those people really can shoot. And what
makes you an amateur is you cannot. You have to
have no no money comes from any other company or sponsors,
so you have no sponsor, which is easy for a
lot of those guys. They don't get anything right, and
(23:42):
I don't. I could be an amateur right now. I
don't get any money from anybody or anything right. However,
everybody would just kill me if I tried to even
pull off. Come on, I usually finish around the top twenty.
I've been anywhere from like seventeen to twenty two something
like that. Twenty five I'm considering. I don't shoot any
(24:05):
of those disciplines. I didn't know practice.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I was going, well, I was, I was gonna say,
how do you prepare for.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Something like that? If I do practice anything, what I'll
do is I'll do the one handed bullseye stuff because
I shake like a chiuhaa pass some razor blades. I'm
not kidding either, And it's like that is my worst one.
It is the worst stage for me every time. I
just can't do that. Twenty five yard one handed shot.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Twenty five yards one hand? What kind of gun are
they shooting?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Last year we had kimbers, there was some kind of
nineteen eleven, nineteen eleven. No, yeah, they were nins last year.
I think they were nines last year. We usually have
forty five's.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You know why you shoot a forty five Because it's.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Because I don't sit to pee.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I don't know, because I don't make a forty six.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Because they don't make it four. Yes, because they don't
make it forty six. I mean right, that's a fun joke.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Oh my god, Hey look fuds. I'm why do they
say fud like it's a bad thing?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I don't know?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Is awesome?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I are one?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
The dude is great. Yes, they just hunting labbits. Man, geezh.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I did get ripped on at SIG for shooting iron
sights and then I shot a red dot for half
a one day and how did that go? I'm literally
just whittling out what.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
He'd listen everybody target what. Yeah, Chris doesn't want to
admit he shot great with a red dot.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, they're like, apparently you know how to pull a trigger,
you just can't see the sights. I didn't believe you
at first.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But yeah, it's like, I mean, I just I shoot
good enough, so I let it fly.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I don't know why you're such a curmudgeon about this.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Oh man, I don't know. I've got that one new
red dot on that pistol though, and I'm kinda I
kind of like it.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Don't admit it. I shoot better, faster, more accurate with
the red dot, but I don't like them. Yeah that's
Chris Srino.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, that's exactly what I would say.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
No, I like them. I actually I've gotten over the hole.
I can't find the dot. I'm slower with the dot.
I'm I'm comfortable with the dots now.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, I am too. I just don't like that it
has a battery.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I mean, I don't trust damn electronics.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well, I mean everybody that's listening right now has already
seen all the ads for that new safe that doesn't
take any batteries and it opens when you want it
to open it, and it's fast and everything, and no batteries.
They might say no batteries like six times, and then
whoever's opening it and the ad pulls out a gun
with a red dot on it, and you know, the
freaking dot's dead. No batteries, no batteries, not in my safe,
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but in my gun. It's okay. I mean, I don't know.
I just I am what I am. I'm not ripping
on it. I think it's great. And obviously we only
had like two dots go down this week at class.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I mean, hey, five days is as a great test
of gear.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Oh yeah, I mean it's great. We did have a
fiber optic fallout, but they guys tried to make fun
of me. They're like, oh, look an iron sight's feeling.
I'm like, it's just a ghostring. When the fiber optic
falls out, it still works.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, there's still it's still there.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
It still works. Uh. And mine didn't. My fiber optic
didn't fall out of my one pistol, but I only
shot it that one for half a day.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And any other gear issues you guys saw.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Just the mags, mags jamming up on people because of
all the dust dropping the mags and all that dust.
I mean you gear maintenance is a real thing. Yeah,
lubing up once in a while. My gun, I you know,
I have that favorite oil mine and my gun stays wet.
I mean it just stayed wet all week w D forty.
Oh yeah, you know I put on everything.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I put on my eggs, little little dad behind the ears.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Oh no, that's hoppies. But somebody did whip out a
bottle of hoppies and I was like, oh, old number nine.
I hadn't seen it bottle of that in a while.
It was fun. We had a good time. So, yeah,
our classes are three days now. We've got some more
stuff going on. That's going to be a rifle and
pistol YEP and DPI diagnostic pistol instructors, so we get
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an extra day of diagnostic pistol instructor and you know,
the carbing class. The NMB teaching is going to be
like the certification three day certification I used to run
in Ohio for the state. So that means that anybody
that's looking to get sufficient training with a car being
to be able to put one in their patrol car
and be able to use it you know, agencies could
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send them down if I don't know what Louisiana's you
know the thing is. But for us it was, you know,
twenty four hours was plenty to get somebody jammed up.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So it could be something for law enforcement that qualifies
them to carry a carbing Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
And if they have yeah, and if they have a
call they want to bring down with them, we'll shoot that.
At the end of the class, we'll shoot it. Let's say, hey,
let's call you out, fill out your paperwork if they
want to.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And we also added a one day basic pistol.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, Saturdays.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
It's going to be nice Saturdays because sometimes people that
pull the whole weekend. Yeah, they're like like, can I
just do a one a whole a whole two days.
I'm like, well yeah, Like there, I feel like, people go,
why do I have to do that? Like when you
started learning to drive, did you buy a car and
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start driving or did you like maybe take more than
I don't know, four hours of training.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
No, I don't know. I probably just got in a
car one day and took it.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
But they didn't come on.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
There was a time I ended up in Broady Heights jail,
so I wasn't driving.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
It wasn't I could I can explain, officer.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
We were little kids. We didn't know any better. It
was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Back in the day when they would pull you over
and say, hey, you're screwed up.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, go home, be careful, go home. Yeah, go Home's
at that time in the carvice wrecked, so.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I'll fall Hey have you been drinking? Listen? Drive home,
go slow, I'll follow you.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
That's right, Be careful. I mean, I don't know. Maybe
the booze wasn't as strong back then. I don't know.
Something was something about it. But the world was a
different place, and you could actually make mistakes without losing
your entire career and your entire life for making it.
Bad move, all.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Right, So one day pistol is available. Now we've got
a three day pistol. We've got a car being What
about I'm curious to you, guys. I'm going to say
these words. Let me know what you think. Defensive shotgun.
Are you interested in defensive shotgun course? Like a two
day class? Two day?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah? You can't do much more than that, Yeah, I
mean twelve games. You shoot mostly you shoot bird shot,
you shoot some buckshot for patterns and for some challenges
you know on steel, but for the most part you
just run one of those defensive shotgun classes with bird shot.
The last defensive shotgun class I ran was for Crimson
Trace for their engineers. It was a long time ago
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an organ and I haven't run a defensive shotgun class
since then, so yeah, it's been a while. I love
my pump action shotguns.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Like running it like a pump shotgun class. You're thinking
through it the whole time, keeping the tube full, is
there one in the chain, just all that stuff. Yeah,
it's very tactile, not tactical, but tactile. You're kind of
like you're making the gun run.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, it's a real hammer, it's a tool. It's a
machine that you got to work it. You gotta work it,
you gotta be rough with it and all that. You know,
it's kind of fun. What else, Chris, Well, you know what,
I think it's good. I mean, I would highly recommend
that anybody's thinking about going up to say it goes
there though. Yeah, I mean if you can, if you
can put it and go up there for a class
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however many days or whatever, if you can do it,
I will think you that unless you don't know anything.
It will exceed your expectations. They exceeded mine, and I
am very hard to please.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
You are well. And that's the thing we always say, Look,
I don't care. We would like you to come train
with us, but also just go get some training, to
go everywhere, to go everywhere.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Well, the sick guys want to come down here now,
they're like, oh my god, we want to come and
train with you. Guys. I'm like, yeah, you got to
come down and they're like, yeah, we'll bring a couple
more with us.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, I mean why not. I mean that's what everybody
should cross pollinate. I mean they're doing the same thing
we're doing.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
They just they've got they've got a big facility up there.
They've got the ability to do a lot of things.
They've got a lot of manpower. I mean that's it's
a big it's a big company.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well all right, then we hope you guys enjoyed it
and go get some training. We'll see you next time.
On gun Dog Nation,
When you started learning to drive, did you buy a
car and start driving or did you like maybe take
more than I don't know, four hours of training.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
No, I don't know. I probably just got in a
car one day and took it but didn't come on.
There was a time I ended up in Broady Heights jail.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntog Nation gun
Talgnation is brought to you by safari Land Military Armament Corporation,
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Range Ready, Savage and Guns and Gear. So, Chris, I
was at gun site one time for a media event.
And you've been a gun site, yeah, a bunch of times.
It's a gunsite, great train facility out there in Arizona.
We were doing some media event and and it's a
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big place, so they'll have multiple classes and events going
on at the same time, and everybody kind of comes
back to the same big pavilion to eat your lunch.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, I've been. There's sandwich, right, so.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Everybody's kind of hanging out. Well all the could be
three or four different classes going at the same time,
and everyone's eating lunch pretty much the same time. I
think kind of overlaps with each other. And then that's
when you see other people like, oh, what are you
here for? Oh, precision rifle. Oh, I'm here for this whatever.
And so uh look up and I see James Yeager,
the trainer really and I'm like, James, you're not here
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for that. I think it was a Mosburg event. You're
not here for the Mosburg event, are you? No, man,
I'm just here. I'm just doing some training, like you're
you're just taking a class, because yeah, I'm taking the
two fifty pistol class. That's their basic five day I
mean it's a five day class, but it's their sure,
their first you know, pistol one. I call it pistol one, like,
no kidding. And I talked to the gun side guys.
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They're like, yeah, he just paid his money and came.
He wanted to come train. He'd never been to gunside.
He wanted to see how we did it. And I
thought that's pretty cool because a lot of times in
the tactical training community, people have their way of doing
things and it's a lot of you know, there's a
lot of butt sniffing.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Oh yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
These guys of like, but is he super tactical? Was
he a ranger and steel team delta, right, So I
thought that was pretty cool. So you just got back
from some training, are you and our our other range
instructor guys, and so I thought we'd talked about it.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, A majority of my Illustrious crew was there. There
was six of us total, including myself. We were out
at six hour and I've I've been there to train before,
but it's been a long time, and I I can't
believe how fun it was.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Six hour Academy. Now, what's funny about you? Well, one
of the things that's funny about you, Chris, is you
were the director of training content, producer of training content
here right, Yes, And you tell me that you have
no certifications? Is that a joke?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah? I mean I have a bunch of certifications. They're
all older than dirt. And I mean I have books
and books full of certificates and certifications, and I mean federal, state, local, Gosh,
I have a lot. I mean, I just haven't had
one in a long time, and I just got a
new one. And we not only did we get the
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new one, but we we achieved the Illustrious patch, which
means you went above and beyond.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
All right, So this was pretty cool. We obviously we
know some of the guys at SIG. I've been to
SIG Academy before, haven't taken a class there, I've just filmed.
What was the class and how'd this come about?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, this is their Pistol Instructor class, and I really
wanted to get the boys out there because honestly, the
boys have only trained with me. But since I'm not
really certified.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
The boys, so the boys and Chris his sons exactly,
Taylor officially.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Taylor, Brad, Shane Gabe.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
These are the guys who helped out with our classes
and events and stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And Chuck's a year older than me, but he's still
one of the boys. And so so anyhow.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Our training cadre we did.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
We took my firstborn, you know, my firstborn part of
the group, you know, Taylor, Brad Shane Gabe. Yeah, and
of course Chuck, who's who's kind of a recent edition,
but he's local and he's here, you know, and he's retired,
and he's he's available.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And he's and he's done quite a bit of training too.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
He is a die hard trainer. He is uh. He
is also in love with six Hours and their training
and their stuff. I mean, he's been to a lot
of their classes, and he knew that it was going
to be challenging. And had I known it was going
to be that challenging, I wouldn't have had all all
the boys shoot the ex macros. I mean we probably
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could have done a little better with.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Full Yeah, this is not really yeah, I mean like
five days of pistol instruction, you guys went through fifteen
hundred rounds each about.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
You guys chose to shoot not necessarily full size range guns.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, we shot compact guns. And why is that? Well,
you train hard to fight easy, and the boys are
always everybody's always looking for that advantage. You know. They
want the better the fanciest trigger, the fanciest sites, they
want the customized grip. I mean they want everything tricked out,
so it's easy. Well, when you do a five day
class like that and you shoot a production gun and
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I shot iron sights, I was the only one in
the class that shot iron sights out of ten old man, Yeah,
I mean I struggled on the distance shots. I'm not
going to lie to you. I had three line cutters,
and they don't count line cutters at all on the qualification,
So I actually got the lowest qualification of our entire group.
So I was proud of that, not proud for myself,
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but proud of all the boys for beating me on that.
But iron sights is a challenge, and when the sun's
not right, I mean I could literally not see the
bodies of the sites. I was just having to put
my colored dot down in that notch and just kind
of send it. And six targets have a very it's
a non non visible scoring area. Look at high center chess,
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so you're kind of guessing where it is, and you
know that would entail a whole other set of vision.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well that's kind of I mean that's on purpose though,
right they don't want you looking at that. I imagine, Yeah,
they don't.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I mean, you're going to shoot a print. See that's
the thing. They didn't really talk about a lot of
defensive stuff. They don't like to do that, and I
understand because they get a lot of different people. So
but we nonetheless used still use the humanoid target, which
was a photocopy of a human and we were shooting
high center chests because that makes sense. But yeah, I
mean it was fantastic. The instructors were amazing. I think
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probably there was. There's like three three relevations that I had, revelations, relevations, revelations,
three revelations that I had. I know, I'm thinking words
have meanings. Oh my gosh. So the first one was, man,
I was really proud of the boys because they kicked
the butt. And then I realized that, man, the boys
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really don't have any training other than being with me
for the last three years.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And that's important. I mean, you have to have a
variety of training. I think that we've said it before,
probably on some of these shows. Is like when you
go to a class, you think it's great. If it's
your first one, probably it's great. I mean, even if
you went to somewhere where we know it's not the
best out there, you're still like, this is great. I
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learned a lot. Yeah, And then you go to another
one and another one, and then you start going, well,
I like what he did, but I didn't like what
they did. And you know, you realize is that the
people who have the dogma there is this way to
run a slide, there is this way to hold a gun,
there's this way to press a trigger. Probably they've been
to one class or lots of classes from the same person.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, well, and the thing and the third thing that
was amazing. So number one, I trained them and I
gave them solid fundamentals, which is what I give everybody
in all our classes here. I mean, if you don't
have a solid foundation, you can't really build on it.
You have to be able to shoot first. And then
the last thing that I was impressed with was how
similar we were doing. But you know six hour and
(08:35):
the people that ran Sick Academy many many, many years ago,
they heavily influenced the United States Federal Air Marshals. Oh really,
Oh yeah, so they had a lot of those people
up there.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Is that because the air marshals were carrying SIGs. I
know a lot of times to get a federal contract
on selling guns to some group, you include training in that.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, And I'm not sure how that all played out,
but those those big players like George Harris and all them,
they they influenced my shooting through that. They ultimately ended
up at SIG working there, so SIG kind of morphed
into that. So I was really surprised how similar everything was.
(09:20):
Was Georgia and Air Marshall, No, No, he was just
ran sig Academy. Oh okay, okay, but anyways, I couldn't
believe how similar it is to what we're doing, what
I've been doing for so many years. I mean it was,
I mean it was, it was uncanny. But man, I
learned so many little details here. Again. You know, you
always learn how to say something different, do something different,
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do it a little bit better, or you know, because
different isn't wrong. I was a field training officer and
police work. Different isn't wrong. Just because someone doesn't do
it the way you do it doesn't mean it's wrong.
And man, everybody, the boys were we took so many notes.
We wrote so many things down. We're going to incorporate
some new things in the training. There was things that
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they did that I used to do that I forgot
how to do. I mean, just so many things like
certain drills, just little drills that we did that I
really when we started doing two day classes here, I
just didn't have time to do it all. So I
haven't been doing it for so long. But now that
we're back to three day classes, we can add all
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that stuff back.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Let's talk about that. So it's funny, you guys, obviously
we've got range Ready. Range Ready Studios dot Com is
our training division, and we have released a batch of
new classes on the fall schedule, and we got more coming.
We got more coming for the fall, we got more
coming in the spring. So I know everybody's like, well,
all do you have more classes. Yes, there'll be more,
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and we're gonna add them. We're not going to wait
so long this time. We'll be adding more. But there's
quite a bit of discussion of should it be a
one day class, should it be a two day class,
a three day class, Should it be on a weekend,
should it be on a weekday because us, we're trying
to accommodate you guys and gals who want to come train,
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and it's hard to make it perfect. Like there's it's
not going to work for everybody. But we'd do a
two day class and we'd say, man, if we just
had a third day, just imagine how much better they.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Could get, right, And that's the whole idea. It's because
my classes worth three days back in the day, we
got so much done. I trained so many gunfighters, and
I think it's time to just do it because the
problem is we get so many people that don't know
what they're doing, come to a class that we have
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to go back to square one anyways in order to
limp them along. So why don't we just go from
soup to nuts, have the full meal deal, show everybody
you know what they what they need to know, and
some of them are going to know it. And honestly,
if you already know it, or if you have a
pretty good idea what it is, what great practice time
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because now you're not learning the whole thing right right, there's.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Nothing wrong with going back to the basics.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I know you have a have a whole thing about that,
but I mean I've I stepped into our classes and
I'll just run stuff. That's I mean, it's pretty basic
for me. Okay, draw, shoot two shots into the body
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You go.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But you're thinking about your draw, you're thinking about your grip,
you're thinking about your trigger pressure, you're thinking about your sites,
and you're not trying to do whiz bang stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Siga was no different, really, I mean that's all we did.
We we stuck to the fundamentals the entire time. There
there is no advanced training, only advanced applications of the basics.
I mean, then we then we did one hand, then
we did the other hand, then we did reload drills,
and we did some move meant but nonetheless, every one
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of them comes down to sites on target, press trigger. Yeah,
you know, I mean what else is there. I mean,
if you can't make shots, you can't do anything else.
I mean, you can play along, but you're gonna suck.
I mean, it's kind of I mean, it's a true thing.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So five, it's a five day course. Yes, that's a
that's a lot of days of shooting a gun.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah. I have some worn through holes on my well,
I have one worn through hole on this hand. My
hands feel pretty good. The boys were like, man, how
do you shoot these little guns all the time. I said, well,
that's why I'm so good when I pick up bigger guns.
You know, when I shoot bigger guns, and I shoot
guns that have better triggers and in better ergonomics or
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you know, just a little more you know, luxurious. It's
like driving a you know, a little car is a
little more difficult than driving a little bigger car. Maybe
that's got a little better suspension and stuff. I don't know. Hell,
it's it's something.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
That's something to talk about because people get there like, well,
this is my gun, and I was telling somebody who'd
come in here. I was like, what I really think
is cool is not that you shoot really well with
your tricked out gun. What I think is really cool
is when you could pick up any gun and run it.
And there's a there's a difference between like the car analogy, right,
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the way you can drive a nineteen eighty nine for
Taurus on a track versus the way you can drive
a Corvette on a track is different. Sure, but you
have to know that going in. It's like, okay, this
is kind of how fast I can go with this machine.
Same for guns. This is I'm gonna need a little
extra site picture or I'm gonna have to really just
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keep pressing this trigger because the trigger is not good,
or the trigger is a long pull, or it's heavier
or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Grip's going to have to be stronger because the trigger
really sucks. You know, I'm going to shoot the world's
again here. You know, end of September into October, we
got the NA World Shooting Championships coming up, and that's
exactly what those skills are for going to a match
like that. Where you're gonna shoot all those different guns.
They're just factory guns, straight out of the box, laid
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on the table, and that's where the one Trick ponies
have really hard times.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
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season of Guns and Gear out Now. I wasn't even
planning for this to be a segue to talk about
the world shoot, but it kind of is a perfect segue.
It's great timing because, yeah, pick up any pistol, let's
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lay ten of them out there. And there's a DASA,
there's a glock, there's a nineteen eleven, there's a revolver,
there's whatever. Pick them all up and shoot them. If
you can do that and shoot all of them pretty well,
that's pretty impressive to me. But if you're like, I'm
really awesome with my taran Tactical Innovations gun and that's
(18:58):
the only gun I own, that's fine, But it doesn't
mean you're real versatile.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, and that happens a lot people get. I mean,
remember what I say, beware the man with one gun.
He probably knows how to use it. And that's great.
But when you don't have your one gun, I mean,
you still have to make other guns work.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, you can't just be spraying and praying. So the
world shoot is an interesting event because no one brings
their own guns.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Correct, All the guns are provided.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, one year they did a division where you could
bring your own guns to compete and the challenges and
it really wasn't It wasn't great. Nobody thought it was fair,
and they never did it again. Okay, So that happened once.
But yeah, the guns are all supplied, the ammas are
the AMMO is supplied, and the courses of fire are
what they are. I mean, there's twelve different disciplines over
(19:49):
three or four days. For me, it's like top shot
in a weekend.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Twelve different disciplines. So like, what type of disciplines.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Well, there's five stan, there might be trap, there might
be sporting plays. They'll be small boar like bullseye. They'll
be you know, single handed, you know, forty five bullseye.
There'll be two gun, maybe three gun, probably not. There'll
(20:19):
be a Byankee stage, you know, like the falling plates.
They'll have long range precision, they'll have intermediate precision uspsa
cowboy action everything. Oh yeah, and I wish I could
remember it all, you know, but it's like all like
biathlon that'll be there. Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Wow, So why do you keep going to this shoot?
Because this seems like the one that you'd never want
to miss.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, it is. It's the only match I've shot consistently
since it started. I didn't shoot it during the COVID
years because they didn't have it, and I only missed
one and it was because I had cancer. The very
I think was the very first World Shoot. The lame excuse, Yeah,
I know, right, I mean you're just dying. You're not dying,
(21:08):
You're just dying. I mean you could have gone, I
want to match with no hair. So anyways, that was
straight after anyhow, So yeah, the World Shoot's cool. I'm
going It's in Indiana and Minneapolis this year. I guess
they're going to keep it there. Last year they had it,
it was a little too early in the spring. It
was really really cold, wicked cold. We had rain, we
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had snow, we had frost, we had wind. It was
just miserable. It's at some military base up there West Virginia. No,
it's an Indian Indiana, just outside of Indianapolis. And I
and we did. I went up there, GiB, GiB and
I went because you know, everybody knows Gilbert Gilbert Francis O'Neill,
So GiB and I were up there. I think like
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the boys would love it. But see, there's still kind
of one trick ponies. They're really glued to those competition guns.
They love competition, but they love their guns.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I mean, don't get me wrong, our our young guys,
the instructors, as Chris calls them, the boys. They're fantastic.
And what's funny is we've had people who've students, who
customers who've come and they they said, at first, I
thought all these young guys are going to be, you know,
full of themselves, not helpful. Whatever they say, It was
just the opposite. They're completely great, friendly, helpful now. But
(22:26):
they are kind of that like their main striker fired
red dot shooting pistol guys. Oh ye fall into that.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, it's ridiculous, but yeah, so the the world shoots
a big deal. I'm going out, gonna meet give up.
There'd be driving up. I wish anybody that wants to
sign up for that should sign up for it. I'm
not sure it used to fill up really fast all
the time, but I mean it's it probably costs four
hundred and fifty bucks and then it's a few days
up there in hotels and stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Terrible considering that all the guns and ammunition is provided.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Correct, which is cool. So you kind of just go.
You show up and you shoot your game. And they
have an amateur division. They have one half of the
the field will be amateurs, the other half will be professionals.
Of course I get lumped into professionals because I've been
a semi pro ever since I was on top, shot
of worse.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And then you could be an amateur.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I know. But then if you honestly, I think, if
you're shoot an amateur division, you get spanked even harder
because some of those people really can shoot. And what
makes you an amateur is you cannot. You have to
have no no money comes from any other company or sponsors,
so you have no sponsor, which is easy for a
lot of those guys. They don't get anything right, and
(23:42):
I don't. I could be an amateur right now. I
don't get any money from anybody or anything right. However,
everybody would just kill me if I tried to even
pull off. Come on, I usually finish around the top twenty.
I've been anywhere from like seventeen to twenty two something
like that. Twenty five I'm considering. I don't shoot any
(24:05):
of those disciplines. I didn't know practice.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I was going, well, I was, I was gonna say,
how do you prepare for.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Something like that? If I do practice anything, what I'll
do is I'll do the one handed bullseye stuff because
I shake like a chiuhaa pass some razor blades. I'm
not kidding either, And it's like that is my worst one.
It is the worst stage for me every time. I
just can't do that. Twenty five yard one handed shot.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Twenty five yards one hand? What kind of gun are
they shooting?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Last year we had kimbers, there was some kind of
nineteen eleven, nineteen eleven. No, yeah, they were nins last year.
I think they were nines last year. We usually have
forty five's.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You know why you shoot a forty five Because it's.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Because I don't sit to pee.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I don't know, because I don't make a forty six.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Because they don't make it four. Yes, because they don't
make it forty six. I mean right, that's a fun joke.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Oh my god, Hey look fuds. I'm why do they
say fud like it's a bad thing?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I don't know?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Is awesome?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I are one?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
The dude is great. Yes, they just hunting labbits. Man, geezh.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I did get ripped on at SIG for shooting iron
sights and then I shot a red dot for half
a one day and how did that go? I'm literally
just whittling out what.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
He'd listen everybody target what. Yeah, Chris doesn't want to
admit he shot great with a red dot.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, they're like, apparently you know how to pull a trigger,
you just can't see the sights. I didn't believe you
at first.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But yeah, it's like, I mean, I just I shoot
good enough, so I let it fly.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I don't know why you're such a curmudgeon about this.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Oh man, I don't know. I've got that one new
red dot on that pistol though, and I'm kinda I
kind of like it.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Don't admit it. I shoot better, faster, more accurate with
the red dot, but I don't like them. Yeah that's
Chris Srino.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, that's exactly what I would say.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
No, I like them. I actually I've gotten over the hole.
I can't find the dot. I'm slower with the dot.
I'm I'm comfortable with the dots now.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, I am too. I just don't like that it
has a battery.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I mean, I don't trust damn electronics.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well, I mean everybody that's listening right now has already
seen all the ads for that new safe that doesn't
take any batteries and it opens when you want it
to open it, and it's fast and everything, and no batteries.
They might say no batteries like six times, and then
whoever's opening it and the ad pulls out a gun
with a red dot on it, and you know, the
freaking dot's dead. No batteries, no batteries, not in my safe,
(26:40):
but in my gun. It's okay. I mean, I don't know.
I just I am what I am. I'm not ripping
on it. I think it's great. And obviously we only
had like two dots go down this week at class.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I mean, hey, five days is as a great test
of gear.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Oh yeah, I mean it's great. We did have a
fiber optic fallout, but they guys tried to make fun
of me. They're like, oh, look an iron sight's feeling.
I'm like, it's just a ghostring. When the fiber optic
falls out, it still works.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, there's still it's still there.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
It still works. Uh. And mine didn't. My fiber optic
didn't fall out of my one pistol, but I only
shot it that one for half a day.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And any other gear issues you guys saw.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Just the mags, mags jamming up on people because of
all the dust dropping the mags and all that dust.
I mean you gear maintenance is a real thing. Yeah,
lubing up once in a while. My gun, I you know,
I have that favorite oil mine and my gun stays wet.
I mean it just stayed wet all week w D forty.
Oh yeah, you know I put on everything.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I put on my eggs, little little dad behind the ears.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Oh no, that's hoppies. But somebody did whip out a
bottle of hoppies and I was like, oh, old number nine.
I hadn't seen it bottle of that in a while.
It was fun. We had a good time. So, yeah,
our classes are three days now. We've got some more
stuff going on. That's going to be a rifle and
pistol YEP and DPI diagnostic pistol instructors, so we get
(28:15):
an extra day of diagnostic pistol instructor and you know,
the carbing class. The NMB teaching is going to be
like the certification three day certification I used to run
in Ohio for the state. So that means that anybody
that's looking to get sufficient training with a car being
to be able to put one in their patrol car
and be able to use it you know, agencies could
(28:35):
send them down if I don't know what Louisiana's you
know the thing is. But for us it was, you know,
twenty four hours was plenty to get somebody jammed up.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So it could be something for law enforcement that qualifies
them to carry a carbing Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
And if they have yeah, and if they have a
call they want to bring down with them, we'll shoot that.
At the end of the class, we'll shoot it. Let's say, hey,
let's call you out, fill out your paperwork if they
want to.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And we also added a one day basic pistol.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, Saturdays.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
It's going to be nice Saturdays because sometimes people that
pull the whole weekend. Yeah, they're like like, can I
just do a one a whole a whole two days.
I'm like, well yeah, Like there, I feel like, people go,
why do I have to do that? Like when you
started learning to drive, did you buy a car and
(29:25):
start driving or did you like maybe take more than
I don't know, four hours of training.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
No, I don't know. I probably just got in a
car one day and took it.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
But they didn't come on.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
There was a time I ended up in Broady Heights jail,
so I wasn't driving.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
It wasn't I could I can explain, officer.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
We were little kids. We didn't know any better. It
was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Back in the day when they would pull you over
and say, hey, you're screwed up.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, go home, be careful, go home. Yeah, go Home's
at that time in the carvice wrecked, so.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I'll fall Hey have you been drinking? Listen? Drive home,
go slow, I'll follow you.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
That's right, Be careful. I mean, I don't know. Maybe
the booze wasn't as strong back then. I don't know.
Something was something about it. But the world was a
different place, and you could actually make mistakes without losing
your entire career and your entire life for making it.
Bad move, all.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Right, So one day pistol is available. Now we've got
a three day pistol. We've got a car being What
about I'm curious to you, guys. I'm going to say
these words. Let me know what you think. Defensive shotgun.
Are you interested in defensive shotgun course? Like a two
day class? Two day?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah? You can't do much more than that, Yeah, I
mean twelve games. You shoot mostly you shoot bird shot,
you shoot some buckshot for patterns and for some challenges
you know on steel, but for the most part you
just run one of those defensive shotgun classes with bird shot.
The last defensive shotgun class I ran was for Crimson
Trace for their engineers. It was a long time ago
(31:01):
an organ and I haven't run a defensive shotgun class
since then, so yeah, it's been a while. I love
my pump action shotguns.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Like running it like a pump shotgun class. You're thinking
through it the whole time, keeping the tube full, is
there one in the chain, just all that stuff. Yeah,
it's very tactile, not tactical, but tactile. You're kind of
like you're making the gun run.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, it's a real hammer, it's a tool. It's a
machine that you got to work it. You gotta work it,
you gotta be rough with it and all that. You know,
it's kind of fun. What else, Chris, Well, you know what,
I think it's good. I mean, I would highly recommend
that anybody's thinking about going up to say it goes
there though. Yeah, I mean if you can, if you
can put it and go up there for a class
(31:46):
however many days or whatever, if you can do it,
I will think you that unless you don't know anything.
It will exceed your expectations. They exceeded mine, and I
am very hard to please.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
You are well. And that's the thing we always say, Look,
I don't care. We would like you to come train
with us, but also just go get some training, to
go everywhere, to go everywhere.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Well, the sick guys want to come down here now,
they're like, oh my god, we want to come and
train with you. Guys. I'm like, yeah, you got to
come down and they're like, yeah, we'll bring a couple
more with us.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, I mean why not. I mean that's what everybody
should cross pollinate. I mean they're doing the same thing
we're doing.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
They just they've got they've got a big facility up there.
They've got the ability to do a lot of things.
They've got a lot of manpower. I mean that's it's
a big it's a big company.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well all right, then we hope you guys enjoyed it
and go get some training. We'll see you next time.
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