December 28, 2025 • 45 mins
In This Hour:
-- How to you travel with guns? Ryan Gresham is joined by Luke Cuenco of The Firearms Blog to talk about flying on commercial airlines with guns.
-- What were they thinking? Here are some strange guns and gear from 2025.
-- The variety and quality ammunition has never been better. How did we get here?
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-- How to you travel with guns? Ryan Gresham is joined by Luke Cuenco of The Firearms Blog to talk about flying on commercial airlines with guns.
-- What were they thinking? Here are some strange guns and gear from 2025.
-- The variety and quality ammunition has never been better. How did we get here?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Hey, welcome in to Gun Talk host because for thirty
years we've been talking about guns. I'm your guest host today,
Ryan Gresham. We also have teamgun Talk. We have Chris Reno,
Kevin Jarnigan, and you know we've been talking about this
year in review. We've reached the end of twenty twenty five,
which I think probably a year ago some people didn't
think we would actually reach the end of twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Five, but here we are.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
We made it go team and we've been talking about
what was good in twenty five, what was a problem,
what do we look forward to next year? And I
also tease that our next guest was going to help
us help you dissect traveling with guns, and so for
that we're going to bring on a guy who seems
to either not be able to hold down a job
(01:11):
or just holds down all the jobs. He is an
editor of Truth about Guns, a staff writer for the
Firearms Blog, also Overt Defense, Outdoor Hub, All Outdoor.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
The Guy's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
If you ask him to write an article about guns,
he will do it, and he will.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Do it happily. Luke Quenko, Welcome.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
In man, dude, Ran. Thank you so much for having
me on the show. It's a pleasure to talk to
you again. I saw a couple of days ago, so
I don't miss you quite yet. Yeah, I know we're
you know, war Mintra. That's that's the It almost feels
like I'm being announced by like a herald or something
like that when I enter a room.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I know, anytime, so they're going to hear this for you.
It's kind of nice.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
For all of your meetings at shot show, we'll be
there saying wladies and gentlemen, Welcome in the man. At
the legend, so we were teasing that you travel with
guns uns all the time and a lot of people
have questions about this, and you know either either your experiences,
pro tips or just crazy stories. I mean, where do
we start with this.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Well.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
First of all, I think most people seem to think
that traveling with guns, like, for example, like on airplanes
is illegal, which it is not. I'm a private pilot myself.
There's no issues there. You can carry whatever the heck
you want on the plane. But when it comes to
dealing with TSA and all the big airlines and stuff,
there's a lot of rules and regulations you.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Have to follow.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
But if you've got a few pieces of equipment and
some knowledge before you get to the airport, it's actually
really not that big of a deal. The first thing
is you got to have a hard sided case. Pretty
much any airline is going to make sure you put
it in that hard sided case. With locks. You can
travel with AMMO, you can put it in the same box. Really,
when it comes to flying with guns or you know,
(02:55):
in terms of like airlines and stuff like that, it's
actually not that difficult. But driving across state line similarly
pretty easily. I think most people probably do that already
without even taking a second thought. I live right across
the river from Washington, I'd do it on regular basis.
So yeah, there's like, where do you think most people
would actually be hung up on this?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, I mean I think that traveling with guns, they
just haven't done it right. And flying with guns has
its own specifics and you can look this up. I mean,
TSA has policies, and each airline has their way of
handling it, and if you're nervous about it, you can
go on their website. You can look up what their
policies are about flying with guns. But I mean, you know,
(03:34):
a hard sided case has to be locked up. Obviously,
no loaded guns. Most places I would suggest no loaded mags.
That's kind of like that'll freak them out and you
don't want to have that argument. And yes, you can
travel with AMMO. There's a weight limit in Chris. I know,
because you shot a lot of matches. Traveling with AMMO
(03:55):
was always a consideration. What's the weight limit.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
It's eleven pounds, but it's actually if you read the regulations,
it's eleven pounds of propellant, so AMMO can get heavy fast.
But I still tried to adhere to that eleven pounds.
But even if I was over eleven, what I would
do is I would put part of my AMMO in
with my big Pelican case, with my long guns, my handguns,
my shotgun, and then I would put more boxes just
(04:20):
in my zipper up suitcase because as long as it's in.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Factory packaging, yeah you could have that.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
And I would just throw boxes.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
I would put boxes at the bottom of my suitcase
and usually on the wheel side, because otherwise it falls
in and crushes everything.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I got in the factory packaging, not in a ziplock
bag or you're reloaded, you know, your MTM case guard stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Luke, You'll love this.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I was flying out of Springfield, Missouri, which thank god
it was in Springfield, Missouri that they're a little bit more,
you know, familiar with guns. But I think I had
a loaded magazine in like separate bag somewhere and it
got scanned. And I'm sitting there at the gate way
for my flight and I hear where our mester, Ryan grosseum,
(05:04):
please find a security aid. And I stand up and
I look around and across this little terminal there is
a police officer and he sees me stand up and
he starts walking over excited like, oh that's you. Okay,
I got him, and well he looked at badly straight.
I said, hey, how's it, you know, and he goes, oh, man, no,
big deal. But you have a loaded magazine, so you
(05:26):
can't you can't do that. And he has literally in
his hands, cumped in his hands, he has like ten
rounds of forty five ACP and he's like, do you like,
what do you want me to do with this?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Do you want it?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I was like, like, are you trying handry like loaded ammunition.
It's in the airport and he's like, what do you want?
Like he felt bad because he didn't want to have
to like dispose of it. It's like, man, if you
can use it or whatever, but like just throw it
at a dumpster.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I don't care at this point. But yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Yeah, Amos actually kind of, like Chris said, it's kind
of a sticking point for a lot of people when
you're traveling. Eye travel for competitions too. I'm actually headed
out to a competition called Moon's Out. It takes place
in Echo Valley Training Center in West Virginia. It's a
night vision carving match, and typically you have to carry
around five hundred rounds of whatever you're using.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
This year, I'm using thirty carving.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
As far as I'm aware is Yeah, I know, I
just had to do it, you know, I'm bringing back
that M two like the original night Vision carving.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Okay, well that's what I'm after.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
But yeah, like Chris said, you don't actually have to
put the AMMO inside of the hard sided case.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
You can actually just stuff it in your check baggage.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
And as long as AMMO is in check baggage, they
actually don't even care if you declare it. I've traveled
home with like several boxes of AMMO from competitions that
people didn't want without the firearms because they were shipped
through a different service. But yeah, I mean, amo's completely fine.
Unloaded magazines so smart. A lot of people try to
go like a step further because like theirro was worried
(06:58):
about like getting like, Okay, I'm going to make sure
my gun is completely entered. There's no way they're going
to see that the bolt carriers out and the uppers
not attached, the little on all that stuff. They don't know,
they don't care. All they see is gun, and they're
going to assume that it's dangerous no matter what. And
most of the time they don't even I don't even
think they can recognize if it's unloaded or not.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And that's no shade on you know, their intelligence.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I just think most people aren't used to looking at
guns in a high stress environment like that where they're
dealing with customer after customer after customer. Yeah, I think
one of my to kind of go back to your
original question, like one of my weirdest experiences, and it
has to do with dealing not with TSA. TSA is
more or less been pretty pretty good, pretty consistent across
(07:42):
the board.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
It's dealing with the airlines. That's the hard part.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
I was flying with an airline. I won't mention by name,
just in case they want to put me on a
no fly list, but I tried flying out with two guns.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
It was a handgun and a rifle, which it's fine.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
You can typically most of the airlines that you have up
to about four guns per per container, and then however
much AML you can stuff inside there. The lady at
the check and desk did not like my case, so
I was not allowed to fight with it. And the
reason she didn't like my case is that even with
four master locks on it that I only had the
keys to, she could open the physical latches and she
(08:18):
could pull pry apart the part of the plastic and
stick one finger inside of there.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
She wasted out. He went through that much trouble.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
I think the lady probably had an extra grind, so wow,
you know, I had to go back home and find
a more robust case that she couldn't bend a little bit.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Wow. That goes into my question is is locks like
they are? They might suggest like you have to have
TSA locks, but that's not the rule.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
That's not the rule of the rule.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
In fact, I would highly discourage you from using TSA
locks because they're they're, for a lack of a better term,
they're pissed poor locks.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
They're terrible locks. Most of them.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Every employee, the ETSA employee is going to have a
key to it. Most people at home probably have TSA
lock keys which they can use to just because you
have one probably sitting in your house somewhere. And most
of those are our dial locks, which are easily defeated.
I don't know if you guys watch it's another YouTube thing,
but lock picking Lawyer, anyone with two minutes of spare
(09:20):
time can figure out how to defeat one of those
locks pretty easily, and frankly most other locks that you'd
put on them.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
But the primary goal of their lock.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Suggesting is that you are the only one who has
the code or the key to that specific set of locks,
and no one else. And I think that's honestly probably
the safest way to approach it.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And then that's the way it's supposed to be. So Luke.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
I always tell people, I say, when you put locks
on your case, because I have been I have been
subject of the prying it open thing short the short
hasp locks, the shortest hasp you can get on there, man,
because if it only opens a quarter of an inch,
good to go. But some people will put those long
ones on there where you can open it an inch
(10:04):
and a half two incision. They say, well, if we
can shake anything out of or wring anything out of it,
it's no good.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Another thing that you'll run into it it's probably what
she was operating off of. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Another thing you're run into is like a long case.
It may have four holes for four locks, and you
put two locks on it. Some airlines will say, if
it has four holes, you have to have four locks
on it.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
See, but is there documentation for that? Because I'm fine,
I'm a rule following human being. I'm an FFL SOT
I like to keep my books clean.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I don't speed, you know, I don't. I don't do
illegal things.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
I don't like pressing people's buttons and causing a seat right,
So if you have some rules and that you're you're
allowing me to bring my guns on the plane, which
is fine, that's perfect.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I'm glad we can do it.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
At least put it out there in documentation so I
can follow it, right, I mean, I'm a procedure person.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, And it's it is worth doing a little bit
of homework because your mileage may vary between airlines and
also at different airports to have a different way of
doing it. Some air reports go okay, great, thanks and
they take it and they're done. Some airports will say, okay,
wait here, we're calling security and you're going to have
to walk with security to another checkpoint for us to
(11:10):
extro your bag or whatever it is because you've you've
declared a firearm. So it's it's interesting, Luke, if you
can hang around a bit, I want to get into
because you're a guy who shoots all of the guns
and optics and ammo and all of the things, and
we're kind of talking about our year in review, and
I mean we if you can hang around, we can
(11:33):
jump into this. Twenty twenty five has been an interesting year.
Give us, you know, some of your tops for looking
back on this year.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Man.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
You know, I'm pretty sure other guests have probably said
this or will say this, but twenty twenty five has
been a particularly rough year for the industry. I think,
you know, being someone who's on the inside who receives
product reviews, product it's been light I think in terms
of like just absolutely like you know, blowing the away products.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
But there's a few that have come out this year.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
One high that I'm actually really looking forward to reviewing
soon is the write Out Arsenal Dragon. It's a very
low bore axis pistol, a nine milimeters pistol, similar to
the Luago Alien and the Lualgo Remus. It just takes
a slightly different approach that it's a tilting barrel instead
of I believe the Alien is a gas system, which
(12:28):
is super cool in itself. Like I'm a mechanical person,
so like I just kind of like taking things apart
and how they look. One of the downsides for me is, unfortunately,
another Turkish firearm that I have had had to review
the Krawl Arms Slash Trystar Arms KR twenty two. It's
on paper, it looked great, you know, like I like
(12:49):
ten twenty twos, and anything that accepts twenty two furniture
and accessories and stuff like that is almost an absolute
win in my book.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Provided it works. And I've just had a lot of
a little bit of trouble getting it running.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
And why I don't mind kind of tinkering with guns,
it's I think at this point in my career, I
just kind of like things that work, which is why
I'm a huge block fan. That's another thing, like I'm
I'm a glock fan, and I'm kind of I've you know,
been cool built directions with you know, the Glock Gen V,
the discontinuing of all the other legacy glocks, and then
(13:22):
now we got Glockgen six, which I really like, but
you know, well.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
No exactly how the marsh all of it. It's so
funny that you say, like the whole gas system.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And mechanical it's another way that people enjoy guns and
like the mechanical systems and how does it work. I
know you want to be more on your list, So
we're going to take a quick break after break, we're
going to talk about Luke's list of his top five
for twenty five and maybe looking ahead to twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 4 (16:35):
And we're back with more gun talk.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
We're talking with Luke Quinko, writer Extraordinary Truth about Guns,
the Firearms Blog and a lot of other places. But Luke,
you'r a guy who shoots a lot of different guns.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You like a variety.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Variety is a spice of life when it comes to
guns for Luke. And so we're talking about some of
your favorites and some of your flops for twenty twenty
five and then looking at twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
So what else is on your list? A lot of
room fire guns.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Over on the Firearm Blog, I run a weekly series
called the rim Fire Report. It's just all all rim
fire stuff. So I go through a lot of things,
mostly AMMO, and a highlight for this year is that
I've actually run into a lot of great ammunition. Actually,
it seems like we're kind of back on track. I know,
(17:24):
during the COVID years, we had some major trouble in
terms of the quality of ammunition we were getting when
it did come out. So it was always kind of
disappointing to like go to company, you know, certain some
of my favorite companies and just get like really bad
lots of AMMA, lots of duds or just huge variances
and velocities and things like that. So the Kinetic group,
(17:44):
which kind of covers Remington, Spear and CCI, they've they've
done a phenomenal job of not only getting back up
to speed and getting those shelves filled at their warehouses,
but the quality of the ammunition has actually been on point.
I'm super impressed with a lot of the less expensive
AMMO in terms of how how well it's metering.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
That's an interesting point because when it comes to rim fire,
probably a lot of people just say, buy a brick
of AMMO and just shoot it, and they don't think
about the variety or variation in quality. And then the
other point that I'm hearing you say is if you
went out and paydock bought during COVID, perhaps the AMMO
that you're buying today, which is more readily available, could
(18:28):
be actually better quality.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Yeah, it's a it's I think it's kind of still
a gamble because you know, their companies, as they rose
to meet this this massive unprecedented demand, had to scale up, right,
you know, new manufacturing cells, probably new new lines, new employees,
people who don't necessarily have the same like muscle memory
and experience where they're basically going through and operating these
(18:52):
machines and doing these quality checks and kind of like
in their in the background. But I would say that, yeah,
in general, AMMO is better, especially from legacy companies. There's
a few startups who have kind of faltered on that
because I think they've scrambled to kind of meet like
the high demand. But you know, it's you figure this
stuff out as you shoot. And I think more to
your point, yeah, if you panic bought, you should always
(19:14):
be checking those lots, right, like match lot numbers two guns.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
I think that's maybe I'm a little that's a little
bit of OCD on my part. I like having lot
numbers match to guns because I know it works, right, Like,
you know.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Go go with what works. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Well, also go shoot the MO that you bought. Just
go shoot it. Yeah that shoot it up.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
I mean, hey, dude, there's there's FRTs you could you
can't like walk five feet without tripping over one. Put
those in your guns, you Okay. I live in a
state where they're now illegal.
Speaker 13 (19:42):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
I can't even ask the crown for the permission to
use them, so I have to drive thirty minutes across
the border.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
To to shoot an FRT, you have to go dry Yeah,
find Yeriedo excuse yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
So so LOUI yeah, looking at because this is where
it gets hard looking at Towy Twys. What do you
think the trends are gonna be? What do you want
to see? I mean, what is what is Luke's vision
for the world of guns in the next twelve months
or so.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I'm a massive proponent of shooting sports, and by that
I mean I think people instead of just going to
an indoor range and buying a box of AMMO and
a couple of silhouette targets and blasting a one ragged
hole very large, hanging on your skill level at all, Yes,
is not the best use of your money or your
(20:32):
time if you're going to the range after work just
to blow off some steam. I know it's cathartic. Get
some training in right now, do some drills, and then
take those drills and use them in a competition that
you you know, Ryan, you and kJ were with me,
I think, just like a week or two ago. Yeah,
it's at the Vortex Edge facility and part of what
made that event so much fun. In addition to just
(20:55):
like taking a look at new products, was that we
got to like compete against one another, right and not
not in like a look, you know, I'm going to
dominate you and you're gonna I just you know. It's
it's a very like friendly and fun and uh like
meaningful way to put our skills to use. And I
think we're going to see more of that. There's a
lot of competitions out there right now. Most local gun
(21:17):
ranges are running, though I don't know, anywhere between like
four to six matches per month, depending on the you know,
where you live. And I think we're going to see
a lot more of that and work guns and gear
and companies dedicated to not just the shooting sports, but
the training to get people up to the level that
they want to be at well.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
And as soon as people start shooting in any type
of competition, they start looking at the gear that can
make them better in that type of competition, whether that's
high end optics that we were talking about earlier on
the show, or recoil reduction devices, you know, comped guns
or suppressors or whatever that is. I mean, hell, you're
(21:57):
going to a night vision match, that's got to be
a whole other level of crazy.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Oh yeah, we're talking to like you know, lambs laser
eming modules. The tubes themselves are probably anywhere depending on
how fancy you want to get. You can spend like
as little as twenty five hundred dollars for a simple
night vision device, or you can take out a loan
for a brand new truck and buy yourself a set
of panout you know this for.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I like we said this, and look, guys, this this
world of guns is wide and it's deep.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
You can go deep. Luke for thanks for being on
with us. This has been a whole lot of fun.
Then absolutely thanks for having me on.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
All right, we.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Will be back with more gun talk. Hey, welcome back
to gun Talk. Yeah, Luke is a great guy.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Filling in if you're just tune in. We got Ryan.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Gresham, you got Kevin, we got Chris, we got team
gun Talk here and we're wrapping up the year.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
We made it to the end of the year. It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
But we're talking about traveling with guns and there is
it's really not that hard, but it's it's kind of
fun when you get gun guys together because those of
us who've done a lot of traveling, you end up
with stories about this, and if you know, typically you
know more than the airlines to about their own policies.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Sure, one of the weird ones is Delta.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Delta started putting zip ties on all of the checked
guns on their on their flights. Now it's their policy
they can do that. But also when you get the bag,
you can just cut the zip ties off and kJ you're.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Gone it right, Oh yeah, I've cut them off, but
I've gotten in the habit. Now.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
You can find these on Amazon, just jump over there.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
But they're like reversible zip ties, and so I will
pre zip tie everything to look like a responsible citizen.
But little do they know. I don't need to cut them.
I can just unzip it, just a little gab and
you get unzipize. I hit the little tab and I'll
do that if I don't like. So you're talking about
(24:01):
airlines that have restrictions on like if there's four holes,
you need to have four locks.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Well, some of them don't have that, and I'll only
take two locks.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
But I'll take those reversible zip ties and I'll go
ahead and zip tie them completely.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
But it does give you a little level of security
as well. It's just hold the case. Yeah closed. I mean,
if if something was.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
To break a tab or a lock or whatever.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Hold on a second. Oh, you're talking about an airline
breaking bags. That just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
They don't cut the locks off of gun cases. Oh my,
that ever happened. That hasn't happened to people I know.
No happened to you in Vegas?
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
They cut the locks off of your case and they
put your destroyed locks inside your case and say thanks.
We had to get in there because it looked like
there was a gun there. Yeah, guys, I declared it.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I'm sorry. I must wanted a curse on that wood.
No kidding, Chris. Yeah, I've experienced most of it. I
mean I've experienced it all. Taught flying armed. I flew
armed as a federal officer, and so therefore I taught
flying armed, and I taught flying with guns in your
in your baggage.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
So I'm familiar with it. I've I've seen just about
all of it. And I try to tell people, I say, listen,
no matter how many guns are in my bag, I
say I have a gun in the bag. I don't
say I have guns, and I don't I don't. I listen.
When you go there and you do this, you act confident,
(25:29):
you act like you know you need I have. I
have to declarify arm. I got a gun in my bag.
It's in a lock box with locks on it. I
need the paperwork.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
And they look at you and they go okay.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And it's a little card you fill out, you sign it,
you fill out, you know, your name, your address, whatever
it's Really it can be that easy. I find that
most of the gate agents don't want to mess with
your guns anymore. No, they kind of like, okay. They'll
even say is it loaded? Because I have to ask
you that. I don't check it and I don't pick
(26:01):
up I am unloaded. I say it's unloaded too. Yeah,
to start out, Yeah, that's great, and it kind of
helps put them at ease a little bit.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
Yeah, it's unloaded, it's in a lock box, it's packed
in accordance with your rules and regulations. And they say okay,
but uh yeah, if it's a long case that's going
to travel by itself, they're going to make you put
that small card inside of that long case. If it's
just a if it's a pistol box, a hard case
in your suitcase. Then they're gonna just tape it to
the outside. Generally, somebody might say, but I have it
(26:30):
has been I would say it has been a fortnight
since I've had anybody say well, I need to check
to see if it's unloaded.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Yeah, that doesn't happen so much anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
No, I hopefully they don't want to, and they probably
are instructed don't touch the guns.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
And I would.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Probably throw in there if you're unsure, print out the
regulations that drey and bring it with you that they
put forth. Like, if you do that and they have questions,
you say, well, here are your rules, and that's what
I'm going by.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
And it's not a lengthy thing that's in there either.
It's really just a small page. It says exactly what
needs to be done and you will have no problems.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah. I don't want no problem.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
I really don't want people to listen to this and go,
oh my gosh, that sounds like such a headache.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
It really isn't.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
We just happen to travel a bunch with firearms, so
you accumulate those stories.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
This is not the norm.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Yeah, And I even go to the extent where I
will put chamber flags in my guns. I don't lock
the slide open or anything like that, but I'll put
a chamber flag in there because if they can see
it in the X ray, and it gives them a
little piece of mind so they don't cut my locks off. Sure,
that's cool because I'm not a chamber flag guy. Yeah,
but it just it kind of prevents a headache from later.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
So Chris Luke was talking about the variation and quality
of AMMO, and in particular where you're talking about room
fire and you shoot a ton of twenty two and
we always say that probably more than any other round,
twenty two Ammo has the most variation in quality and
(28:06):
performance and and like what your gun.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Likes, what kind of stuff have you experienced?
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Well, I can tell you this that he's correct about.
During the crunch, I did buy a bunch of twenty
two Ammo, and I've never shot more inaccurate or more
prone to malfunction AMMOKID. So that's a fact. And I
even have it on my shelf in my garage. It
says shoot first because I'm trying to really. Yeah, So
there's that Ammo that malfunctions your firearm There's also the
(28:35):
idea that when you when you are trying to shoot
a bunch of different twenty two, especially in a long gun,
and for me, because I'm an accuracy shooter with a pistol,
if you're going to change ammos and try to find it,
shoot ten shoot of magazine shooting twenty and then expect
things to change because that twenty two AMMO is all
(28:58):
coded differently, is all different than barrel does. Take seasoning
to it, and it will it will function differently. So
if we're out there shooting a gun for something we're
doing on guns and gear and we switch AMMO, I
shoot half a box to it before I decide that
that doesn't work too.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I probably underestimated how much variation there is and an
AMMO and gun combo until we started doing more stuff
the last few years and going. Yeah, there's been times,
I think recently when I was trying to site in
a gun for hunting, going this AMMO is just kind
of wild all over the place, and it didn't my
gun didn't like it or whatever the deal was. But
(29:38):
try different amo, figure out what your gun likes.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
Yeah, And it was funny because you walked in with
that box, and I said, oh no, you don't want
to get a zero with that.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I mean, it's great for going out and training, training class.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
It's cheap ammo, so we use it to punch holes
in paper, shoot at one hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Yeah, but don't use your cheap ammo for hunting. Don't
use cheap Ammo in your carry gun.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I mean, as Tom Gresham likes to say, he's been
saying every years, you don't want to be the one
with the cheap parachute.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Okay, we're not going for value price parachutes here. This
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Speaker 3 (30:10):
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Speaker 4 (31:58):
HLLI. Welcome back to gun Talking, guys.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
We're talking about guns that were cool this year, and
we're talking about testing with different AMMO and all that stuff.
Because we get in a lot of guns in optics
and AMMO and all the gear, and we have to
set it all up. We kind of see the variation
and maybe perhaps in quality or weird combinations of this
AMMO with that gun. But my question is for someone
(32:23):
who's going out and buying a gun, Chris, what should
be the fair expectation of how much tinkering should you
have to do? Because some people love to tinker, like
let's buy five or six different types of AMBLE and
see which one gun my gun works. And some people
(32:43):
love to I don't know, mount optics and try different things.
But should a gun just out of the box shoot
fine and work fine, or is it like, well, this
magazine needs a little fitment or or these you know,
this optic didn't exactly melt perfectly to this pistol.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Oh there's well. When it comes to handguns, I would
say one box of AMMO, a good quality practice AMO,
full metal jacket, everything should be fine, all right. If
you want to refine it, then you can start trying
different things because they will group differently. Reference to size
and location. But when it comes to rifles, man, don't
(33:26):
buy all your eggs before they've hatched. I mean, don't
buy it all that Ammo and then say this is
what I'm going to have for this gun because I
really like this box.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
The picture is cool and I love X brand.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
It has a white tail on it, and I'm going
to be a white tail.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Well, I think most people get into that just they
habit buy they buy out of habit, like well my
dad used this, or oh someone told me this, and
I don't think it's tinkering.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I think it's just doing the responsible thing.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
And because we want to be as accurate as possible
out in the field or in the home.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
How many people you're right?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
They say, well, but I've always shot this room Tomo
or this Hornertymo or whatever, or my buddy said that
this federal terminal assent is great, which, by the way,
it is generally. But you got to figure out what
your gun likes, especially when it comes to rifles.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
Yeah, you know, I like Luke. I spent a lot
of time writing. I wrote for guns and Ammo for
a while. I did a lot of AMMO testing and
accuracy testing, and I can tell you that there were
times when nothing worked right because it was just the gun,
and there were other times when everything worked great, and
there were other times when it took a while, when
(34:37):
I would take the five that I thought I was
going to use and I'd have to go to six
and then I'd find it. So I guess my.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Question kind of following that would be, at what point
does someone say, yes, it's the gun.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Well, you got to be a shooter. Well, what's the expectation?
Speaker 8 (34:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Well, and we were talking about this, Yeah, that's what
you're saying, Chris.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
You got to be a shooter.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
So if you say, well, what is my expectation, Well,
have you ever shot a one inch group at one
hundred yards? Are you capable of it? And if not,
then a two inch group or whatever it is? Okay,
what are you capable of? And what do you need
it to do? You're setting up in a box line
(35:21):
on a feeder at one hundred yards, I'm not going
to have more than one hundred yard shot where I'm hunting. Okay, fine,
But you know one thing I wanted to add is
it's not just guns and Ammo.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
We've seen a lot of rioting quality.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
With optics, and there are some very inexpensive optics that
exist out there, and not saying you know, there are
a lot of optics that are made from overseas and
they're very good. There are also ones that are very bad.
No way to sugarcoat it. And that's that's a big
(35:57):
deal because you go, oh, this is a really accurate gun.
But if you put one hundred dollars optic that doesn't
signe in and doesn't I mean literally the crosshairs are
moving in recoil.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
That can happen, right, Chris, you've seen her.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
Yeah, heyj And I don't expect after adjusting any optic
for it to impact exactly. We don't expect this. We
don't expect it to impact exactly. Right, Send another one.
Okay there It is all of a sudden. And then
there's been times kJ that we were out there that
we changed we changed AMMO, we changed the pressor, we
(36:30):
changed optics, and then found out that the top rail
on the gun was loose because it came from the
factory and the screw the screws just weren't torque down right.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
So you do what you're saying is you do have
to check you cannot assume that the pickrail on your
gun is tightened, or or even you buy a rifle
that's a scoped, a scope rifle combo, don't assume that
the rings are correct or whatever.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
You kind of need to check everything out.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Well you know what they say about assuming, Yeah, well
you somewhere down the line, someone messed up.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
I mean, that's that's essentially what we're talking about, right.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
And it's strange because just the other day I took
apart another rifle to change the scope, and I thought,
I'm gonna change the bait, check the base, and don't
you know, I got a little bit out of each
one of them, just a little screw movement, and that's
going to come apart over time and shooting.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
Well, here's another one for you, is that a lot
of customization goes on with firearms. We want to have
stuff be hours, so we send it off to have it.
Sarah cooded like, I did this and cross that I
have and get it back and it never really shot
right again.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
And I kind of was like, I guess that's just
what this gun is.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
It's a two inch gun at one hundred yards and
that's all I'm going to get out of it. Chris goes,
you didn't hear this story.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
You didn't hear this one. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
So we're sitting there on the range, just fine tuning
it before you, dear season because the neighboring kids are
going to shoot this gun. And I'm just like, Chris,
is this is what this gun is. And I go
and I lean into the bipod because I'm shooting it
with a bipod. Lean into the bipod and Chris goes,
hold on a second. I stopped him, and I see
(38:13):
he goes do that again, because you're more perceptive in
your peripheral.
Speaker 7 (38:18):
Right, So I'm looking through the spotty scope and I
see the whole barrel inside the handguard move like a
half an inch.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yeah, the bar.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
The barrel was being affected by pressing into the bipod.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
The whole gun was loose, whole gun, everything from the
rail to the handguard.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Because it had been taken apart for SERA coding and
then put back together.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Not to fact respects and so and so.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
The gun that I always thought was, you know, it's
it's just it's just not a great great What happened
after you tied it up shoot shoot, shoots great, shoots great.
Speaker 12 (38:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
So yeah, when you get something back from a gunsmith,
maybe I can see because yeah, I mean it's a gunsmith.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Maybe they're doing well.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
But maybe maybe I don't have had his assistant to
put it back together.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Right for time.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Maybe all right, Well, I mean these are things that
hopefully help people out when you're setting up your gun,
your new gun you got for.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Christmas, go test it out. You know what.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
This is an opportunity to shoot more ammo, which is
not a bad thing.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
We'll be right back. Hey, welcome back to Gun Talk.
You off the coast.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
We're on three hundred and something radio stations, and we
thank every single one of them for airing this show because, honestly,
this was kind of one of the original ways where
people were starting to hear a national conversation about guns.
Where it wasn't happening in thirty years ago in newspapers,
it wasn't happening on television, and so this is before
(39:59):
social media, and so we're still we're still kicking it.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
We're still doing it.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I'm your guest host, Ryan Greshler, and we've got kJ
We've got Chris here Team gun Talk and guys, we're
talking about end of the year, looking into next year,
shooting goals, personal shooting goals, because we're all about shooting
and improving and training around here. So what say you,
Chris Seria, you have a shooting goal for next year?
Speaker 7 (40:22):
I do, First and foremost, I'm going to really try
to shoot some more matches, because matches is where you
vet your skills. My second one is I look at
that shooting bench in my backyard all the time, and
I think about all the tiny targets and all the
easy shots I've got out there. I'm going to bring
out some more props and I'm going to get off
the bench and I'm going to start shooting some of
(40:43):
my unconventional positions off of barricade, off of those props,
and I want to improve my ability to shoot on
the fly.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Well, and your yoga is going to really help with
getting into those positions. He ain't lion, so I mean really,
that's the thing that makes such a difference.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, and being able staining limber stain fit. That will
help in your shooting. Everybody, I'm sorry, you know, yeah,
I know the bullet reaches out to far distances. But
when they say get into prone right now, you have
five seconds to engage a target.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
You got to be able to drop into prone. kJ.
What about you?
Speaker 6 (41:20):
So I'm going to shoot more NRL Hunter matches. I
think I've already like kind of like got maybe three
on the books that I'm looking at because I do
the ro thing, like if you go in and you
do an ro you can shoot the day before the
match starts. He means volunteer as a ring yees volunteer.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Yes, And so I want to shoot more of those.
I think last year I hit five. Last year, I'd
like to shoot a couple more. But this year, And
I told Chris this, I yelled it across the hall.
I said, Chris, pistol shooting this year. And I'm going
to shoot at least and I know it's not a lot.
(42:00):
I have to start somewhere. I want to shoot at
least two pistol matches this year. Like that's that's my
main goal.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, I would say that competition would be a goal
for me. I mean, she I've dabbled but never been
real consistent on it. I would like to shoot a
pistol match. And I also I'd like to get out
and do another long range rifle course because kJ, you
and I were up at Vortex Edge and it was
kind of like you kind of remember how to do it,
(42:27):
but you know, after two or three days of a course,
you feel pretty tuned up and familiar with your gear
and your setup. And then a year or two goes
by and you're like, yeah, how does this work again?
I mean I kind of remember how this works, but
just trying to keep those skills fresh.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
Yeah, And I'm setting goals for my kids too, And
this year I really would want my oldest son to
go to and shoot a skills division at a NRL
hunter competition.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
And that's like the base sick. That's entry waiting to
help on the fly.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
Like you've got guys helping your own you get you've
been coached them up. And anybody could do that, anybody,
skilled kids, women, like new shooters, seasoned shooters, like everybody
can do that. Go shoot a skilled a division and
you can really improve your skills.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, I mean better than you know. Oh it's September.
I guess we have to sit in the hunting rifle
and shoot four shots off.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
The bench and then go sit in a deer stand.
I guess it's good. Why don't I miss that deer.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Well as you suck because it's you have one box
of AMMO and three years later you still haven't gone
through it all.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
I mean I challenge you, if you're listening to this,
set a goal or two in your personal shooting. You
can improve and have a lot of fun. You can
learn some new skills and maybe you know, impress your friends. Also,
we should probably all seek to bring someone out there
and start teaching a little bit more.
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Hey, welcome in to Gun Talk host because for thirty
years we've been talking about guns. I'm your guest host today,
Ryan Gresham. We also have teamgun Talk. We have Chris Reno,
Kevin Jarnigan, and you know we've been talking about this
year in review. We've reached the end of twenty twenty five,
which I think probably a year ago some people didn't
think we would actually reach the end of twenty twenty.
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Five, but here we are.
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We made it go team and we've been talking about
what was good in twenty five, what was a problem,
what do we look forward to next year? And I
also tease that our next guest was going to help
us help you dissect traveling with guns, and so for
that we're going to bring on a guy who seems
to either not be able to hold down a job
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or just holds down all the jobs. He is an
editor of Truth about Guns, a staff writer for the
Firearms Blog, also Overt Defense, Outdoor Hub, All Outdoor.
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The Guy's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
If you ask him to write an article about guns,
he will do it, and he will.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Do it happily. Luke Quenko, Welcome.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
In man, dude, Ran. Thank you so much for having
me on the show. It's a pleasure to talk to
you again. I saw a couple of days ago, so
I don't miss you quite yet. Yeah, I know we're
you know, war Mintra. That's that's the It almost feels
like I'm being announced by like a herald or something
like that when I enter a room.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I know, anytime, so they're going to hear this for you.
It's kind of nice.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
For all of your meetings at shot show, we'll be
there saying wladies and gentlemen, Welcome in the man. At
the legend, so we were teasing that you travel with
guns uns all the time and a lot of people
have questions about this, and you know either either your experiences,
pro tips or just crazy stories. I mean, where do
we start with this.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Well.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
First of all, I think most people seem to think
that traveling with guns, like, for example, like on airplanes
is illegal, which it is not. I'm a private pilot myself.
There's no issues there. You can carry whatever the heck
you want on the plane. But when it comes to
dealing with TSA and all the big airlines and stuff,
there's a lot of rules and regulations you.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Have to follow.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
But if you've got a few pieces of equipment and
some knowledge before you get to the airport, it's actually
really not that big of a deal. The first thing
is you got to have a hard sided case. Pretty
much any airline is going to make sure you put
it in that hard sided case. With locks. You can
travel with AMMO, you can put it in the same box. Really,
when it comes to flying with guns or you know,
(02:55):
in terms of like airlines and stuff like that, it's
actually not that difficult. But driving across state line similarly
pretty easily. I think most people probably do that already
without even taking a second thought. I live right across
the river from Washington, I'd do it on regular basis.
So yeah, there's like, where do you think most people
would actually be hung up on this?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, I mean I think that traveling with guns, they
just haven't done it right. And flying with guns has
its own specifics and you can look this up. I mean,
TSA has policies, and each airline has their way of
handling it, and if you're nervous about it, you can
go on their website. You can look up what their
policies are about flying with guns. But I mean, you know,
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a hard sided case has to be locked up. Obviously,
no loaded guns. Most places I would suggest no loaded mags.
That's kind of like that'll freak them out and you
don't want to have that argument. And yes, you can
travel with AMMO. There's a weight limit in Chris. I know,
because you shot a lot of matches. Traveling with AMMO
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was always a consideration. What's the weight limit.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
It's eleven pounds, but it's actually if you read the regulations,
it's eleven pounds of propellant, so AMMO can get heavy fast.
But I still tried to adhere to that eleven pounds.
But even if I was over eleven, what I would
do is I would put part of my AMMO in
with my big Pelican case, with my long guns, my handguns,
my shotgun, and then I would put more boxes just
(04:20):
in my zipper up suitcase because as long as it's in.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Factory packaging, yeah you could have that.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
And I would just throw boxes.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
I would put boxes at the bottom of my suitcase
and usually on the wheel side, because otherwise it falls
in and crushes everything.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I got in the factory packaging, not in a ziplock
bag or you're reloaded, you know, your MTM case guard stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Luke, You'll love this.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I was flying out of Springfield, Missouri, which thank god
it was in Springfield, Missouri that they're a little bit more,
you know, familiar with guns. But I think I had
a loaded magazine in like separate bag somewhere and it
got scanned. And I'm sitting there at the gate way
for my flight and I hear where our mester, Ryan grosseum,
(05:04):
please find a security aid. And I stand up and
I look around and across this little terminal there is
a police officer and he sees me stand up and
he starts walking over excited like, oh that's you. Okay,
I got him, and well he looked at badly straight.
I said, hey, how's it, you know, and he goes, oh, man, no,
big deal. But you have a loaded magazine, so you
(05:26):
can't you can't do that. And he has literally in
his hands, cumped in his hands, he has like ten
rounds of forty five ACP and he's like, do you like,
what do you want me to do with this?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Do you want it?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I was like, like, are you trying handry like loaded ammunition.
It's in the airport and he's like, what do you want?
Like he felt bad because he didn't want to have
to like dispose of it. It's like, man, if you
can use it or whatever, but like just throw it
at a dumpster.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I don't care at this point. But yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Yeah, Amos actually kind of, like Chris said, it's kind
of a sticking point for a lot of people when
you're traveling. Eye travel for competitions too. I'm actually headed
out to a competition called Moon's Out. It takes place
in Echo Valley Training Center in West Virginia. It's a
night vision carving match, and typically you have to carry
around five hundred rounds of whatever you're using.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
This year, I'm using thirty carving.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
As far as I'm aware is Yeah, I know, I
just had to do it, you know, I'm bringing back
that M two like the original night Vision carving.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Okay, well that's what I'm after.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
But yeah, like Chris said, you don't actually have to
put the AMMO inside of the hard sided case.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
You can actually just stuff it in your check baggage.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
And as long as AMMO is in check baggage, they
actually don't even care if you declare it. I've traveled
home with like several boxes of AMMO from competitions that
people didn't want without the firearms because they were shipped
through a different service. But yeah, I mean, amo's completely fine.
Unloaded magazines so smart. A lot of people try to
go like a step further because like theirro was worried
(06:58):
about like getting like, Okay, I'm going to make sure
my gun is completely entered. There's no way they're going
to see that the bolt carriers out and the uppers
not attached, the little on all that stuff. They don't know,
they don't care. All they see is gun, and they're
going to assume that it's dangerous no matter what. And
most of the time they don't even I don't even
think they can recognize if it's unloaded or not.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And that's no shade on you know, their intelligence.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I just think most people aren't used to looking at
guns in a high stress environment like that where they're
dealing with customer after customer after customer. Yeah, I think
one of my to kind of go back to your
original question, like one of my weirdest experiences, and it
has to do with dealing not with TSA. TSA is
more or less been pretty pretty good, pretty consistent across
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the board.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
It's dealing with the airlines. That's the hard part.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
I was flying with an airline. I won't mention by name,
just in case they want to put me on a
no fly list, but I tried flying out with two guns.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
It was a handgun and a rifle, which it's fine.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
You can typically most of the airlines that you have up
to about four guns per per container, and then however
much AML you can stuff inside there. The lady at
the check and desk did not like my case, so
I was not allowed to fight with it. And the
reason she didn't like my case is that even with
four master locks on it that I only had the
keys to, she could open the physical latches and she
(08:18):
could pull pry apart the part of the plastic and
stick one finger inside of there.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
She wasted out. He went through that much trouble.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
I think the lady probably had an extra grind, so wow,
you know, I had to go back home and find
a more robust case that she couldn't bend a little bit.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Wow. That goes into my question is is locks like
they are? They might suggest like you have to have
TSA locks, but that's not the rule.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
That's not the rule of the rule.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
In fact, I would highly discourage you from using TSA
locks because they're they're, for a lack of a better term,
they're pissed poor locks.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
They're terrible locks. Most of them.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Every employee, the ETSA employee is going to have a
key to it. Most people at home probably have TSA
lock keys which they can use to just because you
have one probably sitting in your house somewhere. And most
of those are our dial locks, which are easily defeated.
I don't know if you guys watch it's another YouTube thing,
but lock picking Lawyer, anyone with two minutes of spare
(09:20):
time can figure out how to defeat one of those
locks pretty easily, and frankly most other locks that you'd
put on them.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
But the primary goal of their lock.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Suggesting is that you are the only one who has
the code or the key to that specific set of locks,
and no one else. And I think that's honestly probably
the safest way to approach it.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And then that's the way it's supposed to be. So Luke.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
I always tell people, I say, when you put locks
on your case, because I have been I have been
subject of the prying it open thing short the short
hasp locks, the shortest hasp you can get on there, man,
because if it only opens a quarter of an inch,
good to go. But some people will put those long
ones on there where you can open it an inch
(10:04):
and a half two incision. They say, well, if we
can shake anything out of or wring anything out of it,
it's no good.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Another thing that you'll run into it it's probably what
she was operating off of. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Another thing you're run into is like a long case.
It may have four holes for four locks, and you
put two locks on it. Some airlines will say, if
it has four holes, you have to have four locks
on it.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
See, but is there documentation for that? Because I'm fine,
I'm a rule following human being. I'm an FFL SOT
I like to keep my books clean.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I don't speed, you know, I don't. I don't do
illegal things.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
I don't like pressing people's buttons and causing a seat right,
So if you have some rules and that you're you're
allowing me to bring my guns on the plane, which
is fine, that's perfect.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I'm glad we can do it.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
At least put it out there in documentation so I
can follow it, right, I mean, I'm a procedure person.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, And it's it is worth doing a little bit
of homework because your mileage may vary between airlines and
also at different airports to have a different way of
doing it. Some air reports go okay, great, thanks and
they take it and they're done. Some airports will say, okay,
wait here, we're calling security and you're going to have
to walk with security to another checkpoint for us to
(11:10):
extro your bag or whatever it is because you've you've
declared a firearm. So it's it's interesting, Luke, if you
can hang around a bit, I want to get into
because you're a guy who shoots all of the guns
and optics and ammo and all of the things, and
we're kind of talking about our year in review, and
I mean we if you can hang around, we can
(11:33):
jump into this. Twenty twenty five has been an interesting year.
Give us, you know, some of your tops for looking
back on this year.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Man.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
You know, I'm pretty sure other guests have probably said
this or will say this, but twenty twenty five has
been a particularly rough year for the industry. I think,
you know, being someone who's on the inside who receives
product reviews, product it's been light I think in terms
of like just absolutely like you know, blowing the away products.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
But there's a few that have come out this year.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
One high that I'm actually really looking forward to reviewing
soon is the write Out Arsenal Dragon. It's a very
low bore axis pistol, a nine milimeters pistol, similar to
the Luago Alien and the Lualgo Remus. It just takes
a slightly different approach that it's a tilting barrel instead
of I believe the Alien is a gas system, which
(12:28):
is super cool in itself. Like I'm a mechanical person,
so like I just kind of like taking things apart
and how they look. One of the downsides for me is, unfortunately,
another Turkish firearm that I have had had to review
the Krawl Arms Slash Trystar Arms KR twenty two. It's
on paper, it looked great, you know, like I like
(12:49):
ten twenty twos, and anything that accepts twenty two furniture
and accessories and stuff like that is almost an absolute
win in my book.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Provided it works. And I've just had a lot of
a little bit of trouble getting it running.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
And why I don't mind kind of tinkering with guns,
it's I think at this point in my career, I
just kind of like things that work, which is why
I'm a huge block fan. That's another thing, like I'm
I'm a glock fan, and I'm kind of I've you know,
been cool built directions with you know, the Glock Gen V,
the discontinuing of all the other legacy glocks, and then
(13:22):
now we got Glockgen six, which I really like, but
you know, well.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
No exactly how the marsh all of it. It's so
funny that you say, like the whole gas system.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And mechanical it's another way that people enjoy guns and
like the mechanical systems and how does it work. I
know you want to be more on your list, So
we're going to take a quick break after break, we're
going to talk about Luke's list of his top five
for twenty five and maybe looking ahead to twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 4 (16:35):
And we're back with more gun talk.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
We're talking with Luke Quinko, writer Extraordinary Truth about Guns,
the Firearms Blog and a lot of other places. But Luke,
you'r a guy who shoots a lot of different guns.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You like a variety.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Variety is a spice of life when it comes to
guns for Luke. And so we're talking about some of
your favorites and some of your flops for twenty twenty
five and then looking at twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
So what else is on your list? A lot of
room fire guns.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Over on the Firearm Blog, I run a weekly series
called the rim Fire Report. It's just all all rim
fire stuff. So I go through a lot of things,
mostly AMMO, and a highlight for this year is that
I've actually run into a lot of great ammunition. Actually,
it seems like we're kind of back on track. I know,
(17:24):
during the COVID years, we had some major trouble in
terms of the quality of ammunition we were getting when
it did come out. So it was always kind of
disappointing to like go to company, you know, certain some
of my favorite companies and just get like really bad
lots of AMMA, lots of duds or just huge variances
and velocities and things like that. So the Kinetic group,
(17:44):
which kind of covers Remington, Spear and CCI, they've they've
done a phenomenal job of not only getting back up
to speed and getting those shelves filled at their warehouses,
but the quality of the ammunition has actually been on point.
I'm super impressed with a lot of the less expensive
AMMO in terms of how how well it's metering.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
That's an interesting point because when it comes to rim fire,
probably a lot of people just say, buy a brick
of AMMO and just shoot it, and they don't think
about the variety or variation in quality. And then the
other point that I'm hearing you say is if you
went out and paydock bought during COVID, perhaps the AMMO
that you're buying today, which is more readily available, could
(18:28):
be actually better quality.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Yeah, it's a it's I think it's kind of still
a gamble because you know, their companies, as they rose
to meet this this massive unprecedented demand, had to scale up, right,
you know, new manufacturing cells, probably new new lines, new employees,
people who don't necessarily have the same like muscle memory
and experience where they're basically going through and operating these
(18:52):
machines and doing these quality checks and kind of like
in their in the background. But I would say that, yeah,
in general, AMMO is better, especially from legacy companies. There's
a few startups who have kind of faltered on that
because I think they've scrambled to kind of meet like
the high demand. But you know, it's you figure this
stuff out as you shoot. And I think more to
your point, yeah, if you panic bought, you should always
(19:14):
be checking those lots, right, like match lot numbers two guns.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
I think that's maybe I'm a little that's a little
bit of OCD on my part. I like having lot
numbers match to guns because I know it works, right, Like,
you know.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Go go with what works. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Well, also go shoot the MO that you bought. Just
go shoot it. Yeah that shoot it up.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
I mean, hey, dude, there's there's FRTs you could you
can't like walk five feet without tripping over one. Put
those in your guns, you Okay. I live in a
state where they're now illegal.
Speaker 13 (19:42):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
I can't even ask the crown for the permission to
use them, so I have to drive thirty minutes across
the border.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
To to shoot an FRT, you have to go dry Yeah,
find Yeriedo excuse yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
So so LOUI yeah, looking at because this is where
it gets hard looking at Towy Twys. What do you
think the trends are gonna be? What do you want
to see? I mean, what is what is Luke's vision
for the world of guns in the next twelve months
or so.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I'm a massive proponent of shooting sports, and by that
I mean I think people instead of just going to
an indoor range and buying a box of AMMO and
a couple of silhouette targets and blasting a one ragged
hole very large, hanging on your skill level at all, Yes,
is not the best use of your money or your
(20:32):
time if you're going to the range after work just
to blow off some steam. I know it's cathartic. Get
some training in right now, do some drills, and then
take those drills and use them in a competition that
you you know, Ryan, you and kJ were with me,
I think, just like a week or two ago. Yeah,
it's at the Vortex Edge facility and part of what
made that event so much fun. In addition to just
(20:55):
like taking a look at new products, was that we
got to like compete against one another, right and not
not in like a look, you know, I'm going to
dominate you and you're gonna I just you know. It's
it's a very like friendly and fun and uh like
meaningful way to put our skills to use. And I
think we're going to see more of that. There's a
lot of competitions out there right now. Most local gun
(21:17):
ranges are running, though I don't know, anywhere between like
four to six matches per month, depending on the you know,
where you live. And I think we're going to see
a lot more of that and work guns and gear
and companies dedicated to not just the shooting sports, but
the training to get people up to the level that
they want to be at well.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
And as soon as people start shooting in any type
of competition, they start looking at the gear that can
make them better in that type of competition, whether that's
high end optics that we were talking about earlier on
the show, or recoil reduction devices, you know, comped guns
or suppressors or whatever that is. I mean, hell, you're
(21:57):
going to a night vision match, that's got to be
a whole other level of crazy.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Oh yeah, we're talking to like you know, lambs laser
eming modules. The tubes themselves are probably anywhere depending on
how fancy you want to get. You can spend like
as little as twenty five hundred dollars for a simple
night vision device, or you can take out a loan
for a brand new truck and buy yourself a set
of panout you know this for.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I like we said this, and look, guys, this this
world of guns is wide and it's deep.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
You can go deep. Luke for thanks for being on
with us. This has been a whole lot of fun.
Then absolutely thanks for having me on.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
All right, we.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Will be back with more gun talk. Hey, welcome back
to gun Talk. Yeah, Luke is a great guy.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Filling in if you're just tune in. We got Ryan.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Gresham, you got Kevin, we got Chris, we got team
gun Talk here and we're wrapping up the year.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
We made it to the end of the year. It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
But we're talking about traveling with guns and there is
it's really not that hard, but it's it's kind of
fun when you get gun guys together because those of
us who've done a lot of traveling, you end up
with stories about this, and if you know, typically you
know more than the airlines to about their own policies.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Sure, one of the weird ones is Delta.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Delta started putting zip ties on all of the checked
guns on their on their flights. Now it's their policy
they can do that. But also when you get the bag,
you can just cut the zip ties off and kJ you're.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Gone it right, Oh yeah, I've cut them off, but
I've gotten in the habit. Now.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
You can find these on Amazon, just jump over there.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
But they're like reversible zip ties, and so I will
pre zip tie everything to look like a responsible citizen.
But little do they know. I don't need to cut them.
I can just unzip it, just a little gab and
you get unzipize. I hit the little tab and I'll
do that if I don't like. So you're talking about
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airlines that have restrictions on like if there's four holes,
you need to have four locks.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Well, some of them don't have that, and I'll only
take two locks.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
But I'll take those reversible zip ties and I'll go
ahead and zip tie them completely.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
But it does give you a little level of security
as well. It's just hold the case. Yeah closed. I mean,
if if something was.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
To break a tab or a lock or whatever.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Hold on a second. Oh, you're talking about an airline
breaking bags. That just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
They don't cut the locks off of gun cases. Oh my,
that ever happened. That hasn't happened to people I know.
No happened to you in Vegas?
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
They cut the locks off of your case and they
put your destroyed locks inside your case and say thanks.
We had to get in there because it looked like
there was a gun there. Yeah, guys, I declared it.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I'm sorry. I must wanted a curse on that wood.
No kidding, Chris. Yeah, I've experienced most of it. I
mean I've experienced it all. Taught flying armed. I flew
armed as a federal officer, and so therefore I taught
flying armed, and I taught flying with guns in your
in your baggage.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
So I'm familiar with it. I've I've seen just about
all of it. And I try to tell people, I say, listen,
no matter how many guns are in my bag, I
say I have a gun in the bag. I don't
say I have guns, and I don't I don't. I listen.
When you go there and you do this, you act confident,
(25:29):
you act like you know you need I have. I
have to declarify arm. I got a gun in my bag.
It's in a lock box with locks on it. I
need the paperwork.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
And they look at you and they go okay.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And it's a little card you fill out, you sign it,
you fill out, you know, your name, your address, whatever
it's Really it can be that easy. I find that
most of the gate agents don't want to mess with
your guns anymore. No, they kind of like, okay. They'll
even say is it loaded? Because I have to ask
you that. I don't check it and I don't pick
(26:01):
up I am unloaded. I say it's unloaded too. Yeah,
to start out, Yeah, that's great, and it kind of
helps put them at ease a little bit.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
Yeah, it's unloaded, it's in a lock box, it's packed
in accordance with your rules and regulations. And they say okay,
but uh yeah, if it's a long case that's going
to travel by itself, they're going to make you put
that small card inside of that long case. If it's
just a if it's a pistol box, a hard case
in your suitcase. Then they're gonna just tape it to
the outside. Generally, somebody might say, but I have it
(26:30):
has been I would say it has been a fortnight
since I've had anybody say well, I need to check
to see if it's unloaded.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Yeah, that doesn't happen so much anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
No, I hopefully they don't want to, and they probably
are instructed don't touch the guns.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
And I would.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Probably throw in there if you're unsure, print out the
regulations that drey and bring it with you that they
put forth. Like, if you do that and they have questions,
you say, well, here are your rules, and that's what
I'm going by.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
And it's not a lengthy thing that's in there either.
It's really just a small page. It says exactly what
needs to be done and you will have no problems.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah. I don't want no problem.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
I really don't want people to listen to this and go,
oh my gosh, that sounds like such a headache.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
It really isn't.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
We just happen to travel a bunch with firearms, so
you accumulate those stories.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
This is not the norm.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Yeah, And I even go to the extent where I
will put chamber flags in my guns. I don't lock
the slide open or anything like that, but I'll put
a chamber flag in there because if they can see
it in the X ray, and it gives them a
little piece of mind so they don't cut my locks off. Sure,
that's cool because I'm not a chamber flag guy. Yeah,
but it just it kind of prevents a headache from later.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
So Chris Luke was talking about the variation and quality
of AMMO, and in particular where you're talking about room
fire and you shoot a ton of twenty two and
we always say that probably more than any other round,
twenty two Ammo has the most variation in quality and
(28:06):
performance and and like what your gun.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Likes, what kind of stuff have you experienced?
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Well, I can tell you this that he's correct about.
During the crunch, I did buy a bunch of twenty
two Ammo, and I've never shot more inaccurate or more
prone to malfunction AMMOKID. So that's a fact. And I
even have it on my shelf in my garage. It
says shoot first because I'm trying to really. Yeah, So
there's that Ammo that malfunctions your firearm There's also the
(28:35):
idea that when you when you are trying to shoot
a bunch of different twenty two, especially in a long gun,
and for me, because I'm an accuracy shooter with a pistol,
if you're going to change ammos and try to find it,
shoot ten shoot of magazine shooting twenty and then expect
things to change because that twenty two AMMO is all
(28:58):
coded differently, is all different than barrel does. Take seasoning
to it, and it will it will function differently. So
if we're out there shooting a gun for something we're
doing on guns and gear and we switch AMMO, I
shoot half a box to it before I decide that
that doesn't work too.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I probably underestimated how much variation there is and an
AMMO and gun combo until we started doing more stuff
the last few years and going. Yeah, there's been times,
I think recently when I was trying to site in
a gun for hunting, going this AMMO is just kind
of wild all over the place, and it didn't my
gun didn't like it or whatever the deal was. But
(29:38):
try different amo, figure out what your gun likes.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
Yeah, And it was funny because you walked in with
that box, and I said, oh no, you don't want
to get a zero with that.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I mean, it's great for going out and training, training class.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
It's cheap ammo, so we use it to punch holes
in paper, shoot at one hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Yeah, but don't use your cheap ammo for hunting. Don't
use cheap Ammo in your carry gun.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I mean, as Tom Gresham likes to say, he's been
saying every years, you don't want to be the one
with the cheap parachute.
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Okay, we're not going for value price parachutes here. This
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Speaker 3 (30:10):
Or if you're taking a bunch of time money go hunting,
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Speaker 4 (31:58):
HLLI. Welcome back to gun Talking, guys.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
We're talking about guns that were cool this year, and
we're talking about testing with different AMMO and all that stuff.
Because we get in a lot of guns in optics
and AMMO and all the gear, and we have to
set it all up. We kind of see the variation
and maybe perhaps in quality or weird combinations of this
AMMO with that gun. But my question is for someone
(32:23):
who's going out and buying a gun, Chris, what should
be the fair expectation of how much tinkering should you
have to do? Because some people love to tinker, like
let's buy five or six different types of AMBLE and
see which one gun my gun works. And some people
(32:43):
love to I don't know, mount optics and try different things.
But should a gun just out of the box shoot
fine and work fine, or is it like, well, this
magazine needs a little fitment or or these you know,
this optic didn't exactly melt perfectly to this pistol.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Oh there's well. When it comes to handguns, I would
say one box of AMMO, a good quality practice AMO,
full metal jacket, everything should be fine, all right. If
you want to refine it, then you can start trying
different things because they will group differently. Reference to size
and location. But when it comes to rifles, man, don't
(33:26):
buy all your eggs before they've hatched. I mean, don't
buy it all that Ammo and then say this is
what I'm going to have for this gun because I
really like this box.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
The picture is cool and I love X brand.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
It has a white tail on it, and I'm going
to be a white tail.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Well, I think most people get into that just they
habit buy they buy out of habit, like well my
dad used this, or oh someone told me this, and
I don't think it's tinkering.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I think it's just doing the responsible thing.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
And because we want to be as accurate as possible
out in the field or in the home.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
How many people you're right?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
They say, well, but I've always shot this room Tomo
or this Hornertymo or whatever, or my buddy said that
this federal terminal assent is great, which, by the way,
it is generally. But you got to figure out what
your gun likes, especially when it comes to rifles.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
Yeah, you know, I like Luke. I spent a lot
of time writing. I wrote for guns and Ammo for
a while. I did a lot of AMMO testing and
accuracy testing, and I can tell you that there were
times when nothing worked right because it was just the gun,
and there were other times when everything worked great, and
there were other times when it took a while, when
(34:37):
I would take the five that I thought I was
going to use and I'd have to go to six
and then I'd find it. So I guess my.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Question kind of following that would be, at what point
does someone say, yes, it's the gun.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Well, you got to be a shooter. Well, what's the expectation?
Speaker 8 (34:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Well, and we were talking about this, Yeah, that's what
you're saying, Chris.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
You got to be a shooter.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
So if you say, well, what is my expectation, Well,
have you ever shot a one inch group at one
hundred yards? Are you capable of it? And if not,
then a two inch group or whatever it is? Okay,
what are you capable of? And what do you need
it to do? You're setting up in a box line
(35:21):
on a feeder at one hundred yards, I'm not going
to have more than one hundred yard shot where I'm hunting. Okay, fine,
But you know one thing I wanted to add is
it's not just guns and Ammo.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
We've seen a lot of rioting quality.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
With optics, and there are some very inexpensive optics that
exist out there, and not saying you know, there are
a lot of optics that are made from overseas and
they're very good. There are also ones that are very bad.
No way to sugarcoat it. And that's that's a big
(35:57):
deal because you go, oh, this is a really accurate gun.
But if you put one hundred dollars optic that doesn't
signe in and doesn't I mean literally the crosshairs are
moving in recoil.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
That can happen, right, Chris, you've seen her.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
Yeah, heyj And I don't expect after adjusting any optic
for it to impact exactly. We don't expect this. We
don't expect it to impact exactly. Right, Send another one.
Okay there It is all of a sudden. And then
there's been times kJ that we were out there that
we changed we changed AMMO, we changed the pressor, we
(36:30):
changed optics, and then found out that the top rail
on the gun was loose because it came from the
factory and the screw the screws just weren't torque down right.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
So you do what you're saying is you do have
to check you cannot assume that the pickrail on your
gun is tightened, or or even you buy a rifle
that's a scoped, a scope rifle combo, don't assume that
the rings are correct or whatever.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
You kind of need to check everything out.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Well you know what they say about assuming, Yeah, well
you somewhere down the line, someone messed up.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
I mean, that's that's essentially what we're talking about, right.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
And it's strange because just the other day I took
apart another rifle to change the scope, and I thought,
I'm gonna change the bait, check the base, and don't
you know, I got a little bit out of each
one of them, just a little screw movement, and that's
going to come apart over time and shooting.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
Well, here's another one for you, is that a lot
of customization goes on with firearms. We want to have
stuff be hours, so we send it off to have it.
Sarah cooded like, I did this and cross that I
have and get it back and it never really shot
right again.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
And I kind of was like, I guess that's just
what this gun is.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
It's a two inch gun at one hundred yards and
that's all I'm going to get out of it. Chris goes,
you didn't hear this story.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
You didn't hear this one. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
So we're sitting there on the range, just fine tuning
it before you, dear season because the neighboring kids are
going to shoot this gun. And I'm just like, Chris,
is this is what this gun is. And I go
and I lean into the bipod because I'm shooting it
with a bipod. Lean into the bipod and Chris goes,
hold on a second. I stopped him, and I see
(38:13):
he goes do that again, because you're more perceptive in
your peripheral.
Speaker 7 (38:18):
Right, So I'm looking through the spotty scope and I
see the whole barrel inside the handguard move like a
half an inch.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yeah, the bar.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
The barrel was being affected by pressing into the bipod.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
The whole gun was loose, whole gun, everything from the
rail to the handguard.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Because it had been taken apart for SERA coding and
then put back together.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Not to fact respects and so and so.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
The gun that I always thought was, you know, it's
it's just it's just not a great great What happened
after you tied it up shoot shoot, shoots great, shoots great.
Speaker 12 (38:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
So yeah, when you get something back from a gunsmith,
maybe I can see because yeah, I mean it's a gunsmith.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Maybe they're doing well.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
But maybe maybe I don't have had his assistant to
put it back together.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Right for time.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Maybe all right, Well, I mean these are things that
hopefully help people out when you're setting up your gun,
your new gun you got for.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Christmas, go test it out. You know what.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
This is an opportunity to shoot more ammo, which is
not a bad thing.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
We'll be right back. Hey, welcome back to Gun Talk.
You off the coast.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
We're on three hundred and something radio stations, and we
thank every single one of them for airing this show because, honestly,
this was kind of one of the original ways where
people were starting to hear a national conversation about guns.
Where it wasn't happening in thirty years ago in newspapers,
it wasn't happening on television, and so this is before
(39:59):
social media, and so we're still we're still kicking it.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
We're still doing it.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I'm your guest host, Ryan Greshler, and we've got kJ
We've got Chris here Team gun Talk and guys, we're
talking about end of the year, looking into next year,
shooting goals, personal shooting goals, because we're all about shooting
and improving and training around here. So what say you,
Chris Seria, you have a shooting goal for next year?
Speaker 7 (40:22):
I do, First and foremost, I'm going to really try
to shoot some more matches, because matches is where you
vet your skills. My second one is I look at
that shooting bench in my backyard all the time, and
I think about all the tiny targets and all the
easy shots I've got out there. I'm going to bring
out some more props and I'm going to get off
the bench and I'm going to start shooting some of
(40:43):
my unconventional positions off of barricade, off of those props,
and I want to improve my ability to shoot on
the fly.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Well, and your yoga is going to really help with
getting into those positions. He ain't lion, so I mean really,
that's the thing that makes such a difference.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, and being able staining limber stain fit. That will
help in your shooting. Everybody, I'm sorry, you know, yeah,
I know the bullet reaches out to far distances. But
when they say get into prone right now, you have
five seconds to engage a target.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
You got to be able to drop into prone. kJ.
What about you?
Speaker 6 (41:20):
So I'm going to shoot more NRL Hunter matches. I
think I've already like kind of like got maybe three
on the books that I'm looking at because I do
the ro thing, like if you go in and you
do an ro you can shoot the day before the
match starts. He means volunteer as a ring yees volunteer.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Yes, And so I want to shoot more of those.
I think last year I hit five. Last year, I'd
like to shoot a couple more. But this year, And
I told Chris this, I yelled it across the hall.
I said, Chris, pistol shooting this year. And I'm going
to shoot at least and I know it's not a lot.
(42:00):
I have to start somewhere. I want to shoot at
least two pistol matches this year. Like that's that's my
main goal.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, I would say that competition would be a goal
for me. I mean, she I've dabbled but never been
real consistent on it. I would like to shoot a
pistol match. And I also I'd like to get out
and do another long range rifle course because kJ, you
and I were up at Vortex Edge and it was
kind of like you kind of remember how to do it,
(42:27):
but you know, after two or three days of a course,
you feel pretty tuned up and familiar with your gear
and your setup. And then a year or two goes
by and you're like, yeah, how does this work again?
I mean I kind of remember how this works, but
just trying to keep those skills fresh.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
Yeah, And I'm setting goals for my kids too, And
this year I really would want my oldest son to
go to and shoot a skills division at a NRL
hunter competition.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
And that's like the base sick. That's entry waiting to
help on the fly.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
Like you've got guys helping your own you get you've
been coached them up. And anybody could do that, anybody,
skilled kids, women, like new shooters, seasoned shooters, like everybody
can do that. Go shoot a skilled a division and
you can really improve your skills.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, I mean better than you know. Oh it's September.
I guess we have to sit in the hunting rifle
and shoot four shots off.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
The bench and then go sit in a deer stand.
I guess it's good. Why don't I miss that deer.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Well as you suck because it's you have one box
of AMMO and three years later you still haven't gone
through it all.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
I mean I challenge you, if you're listening to this,
set a goal or two in your personal shooting. You
can improve and have a lot of fun. You can
learn some new skills and maybe you know, impress your friends. Also,
we should probably all seek to bring someone out there
and start teaching a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Thanks for listening. That's it for us. We'll see you
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