December 21, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- For many hunters the lure of going to Africa seems impossible. Bob Shimizu thought so, but then he made his first hunt in Zimbabwe, and wrote a book on how to do it.
-- More people are carrying small revolvers. What's the best caliber?
-- Call your local gun store and ask what they need to move. There could be a great deal there.
Gun Talk 12.21.25 Hour 2
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-- For many hunters the lure of going to Africa seems impossible. Bob Shimizu thought so, but then he made his first hunt in Zimbabwe, and wrote a book on how to do it.
-- More people are carrying small revolvers. What's the best caliber?
-- Call your local gun store and ask what they need to move. There could be a great deal there.
Gun Talk 12.21.25 Hour 2
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Obviously, I love to hunt, and I love to hunt
anywhere and everywhere, but I gotta tell you, once you
go to Africa, it's like, okay, that was my first trip,
because then you start plotting how can I get back
at A good friend of mine just experience that with
this first trip, and Bob Shimazu joins us right now.
And Bob, you and I have known each other for
decades now and enjoy shooting and your gun site, graduate
(00:53):
of pretty much everything they do.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
But you discovered Africa.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I did. I did. It started out the fact that
I'm an absolutely lousy hunter, Tom, But I am not
smarter than an elka. I am not smarter than a deer.
And I would go out in the mountains and freeze
and then go home discourage, So I gave myself an
Indian name, walks through woods, cursing quietly. Okay, I could
(01:20):
shoot plenty, but just never was able to connect with
the large animal here on the American continent. Right, So
why not Africa? Because I'm getting older, Let's give it
a shot. And I did.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Everybody I know who has been the moment they get
back from that first hunt, they start planning on their
second hunt.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Indeed, and that's we're thinking in terms of June of
twenty twenty six for our return.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Are you really you're going back? Okay, so when was
your first trip?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
It was May of twenty twenty five. Oh, you're out
for a yeah, ten day hunt this spring. And while
we are there, Jane Ann, my wife, said two things.
Number One, this is the coolest thing we've ever done.
Number Two, when we come back, I want to.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Hunt, not if when we come back.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Oh, I got my attention.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
So what did you hunt?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Well? I went over with Cape buffalo as my primary
because I figure it would be cool to start with
one of the Big five. This is an animal that,
if enraged, is perfectly capable of turning you into a
brownish red paste. After that, it was going to be
some planes game. I can't afford any of the other
Big five and we're talking about leopard, lyon, Pippo rhinoceros.
(02:37):
Those are well out of my reach. But I could
achieve a kpe buffalo.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Well, okay, let's touch on that before we move on,
because that's the other thing people say.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I said, well, it's way too expensive. I couldn't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And I always tell them, well, have you priced a
guide at el Khont recently?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Oh? Absolutely, if you wanted a moose in Alaska? What
is it thirty thousand bucks now?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, thirty grand for a moose.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
I spent about that much to go to Africa for
ten days.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
And it took how many animals?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Four in total, cape, buffalo, zebra and two impala. I
was hoping for a kudu but we never found one
with the right length of horn.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
And what country were you in?
Speaker 5 (03:18):
I was in Zimbabwe, which is just north of South Africa,
and I strongly urged Zimbabwe for several reasons. One is
the Zimbabwe Professional Guide Association. Those people are some of
the most highly trained educated people you will find in Africa.
They're great, great people.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
They are absolutely botanist entomologists.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I mean, you go on and on.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
The test they have to take. They have to know
everything about the environment there. And I have hunted Zimbabwe
and you're exactly right. And obviously there are some other
good countries. Namibia as a popular one these days. There
are a lot of ways to go a lot of things.
But then you came back and said, I got to
share this experience, so you decided to write a book
(04:03):
about it.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Well, I started out to write an essay with pictures.
Jane Ann took a lot of really good exposures while
we were over there. She's been learning from you. By
the way, Tom, she's good. Yeah's well, she's not as
good as you, but she's really good. And over the
first few days of writing, it start growing and growing,
(04:24):
and the book Earning Africa soon became a primer for
anyone who was interested in doing just this and going
to Africa. Here's the steps, here are the ways you
can prepare yourself, and here's how to have a successful hunt.
It all ended up in this book.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
It really is the ABC's of your first Africa hunt.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Yes, thank you put a lot of work into that
aspect of things.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So I mean, people are going to want to know,
So what did you do? As far as what rifle to.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Take the floor for caliber in Zimbabwe is three seventy
five Holland back. That's been around for almost one hundred years,
if not one hundred years. It's a medium cartridge. Most
people can tolerate carrying one, most people can tolerate the recoil,
and it's good for anything out to maybe two hundred yards,
(05:16):
though I wouldn't trust myself out beyond two hundred.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, the three seventy five eight and h was actually
introduced in nineteen twelve, so we're well over one hundred years.
And when you say it's the minimum, it's the minimum
for Cape Buffalo or a dangerous game. Obviously you use
something smaller for planes.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Game, Yes, one could. The Colonel Law was like thirty
out to six with one hundred and eighty green bullet.
He thought that was excellent for any planes game. I've
seen people do it with threeh eight. In fact, one
of the ladies in our party, party Fidy, took her
Zebra with the three eight and did just fine.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, I mean it's a planes game. They're dis credits
and the main thing is, as always, you got hit
them in the right place with a good bullet and
then good things happen. So all right, tell me about
this book. It's earning Africa. I take it you are
selling this available.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
It's available on my website, Bob shimazoo dot com. And Tom,
can you can spell that for folks because you knew
it well.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
S h I M I zu it's all I shima
Zoo Bob shimazoo dot com. And uh, I mean I
should say you know you say you're allowsy hunter. You're
also a really good shooter, because I h you've done
all the gun site stuff and I have shot with you,
and so I'm not at all in all of the
fact that you hit what you aimed at my friend.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Well, thank you. We're only as good as our next shot, though,
aren't we.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well this is true. So and I think I've shared
with you. I now have you got me into this?
By the way, you loan me that really sweet high
end nineteen eleven and it's like, oh this is different.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
That was a Chuck Rogers pistol.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yes, And so I just ted Bill Lofbridge as Cynder
and slide build me one. It's sitting close to me
over here, it has not even been out yet, just
been snowing and raining. I'm not going to take it
out in the middle of that. But maybe this weekend
it goes out.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Yes see, you should. I mean, there's a Chuck Rogers
in my waistband right now.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, there you go. That's my kind of guy, all right.
So how do they can get a copy of Earning Africa?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
What's the cost?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
It's I think it's thirty bucks.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, you're you're You're a heck of a salesman, aren't you, dude?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Well, I should, I should know that sort of thing.
It's available in a soft copy and I have about
twenty five of the original full color print editions to go.
And you know, I'll throw I'll throw in the shipping
on that. But it's all on the website.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Okay, Bob shivazoo dot com. Well tell you what, I'm
gonna be down your way next spring some time. We'll
get together, but probably you know, who knows, you may
be in Africa by the time I get there.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Well, come before or after June.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Well, I will be before or June, and I don't
mind telling people. I'm going to go take the Jeff
Cooper to fifty class at GANSI, which is the nineteen
eleven iron Sight Leather Holster class.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yep, I'll be in that class. Were you really yes, sir,
I'm signed up.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Oh that's fun.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I got two of my buddies here coming, so we're
going to have a good time.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
And it's a real class.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
It's not like, oh, this is some kind of goofy
commemorative thing, although it is commemorative.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah. Mean, it's the full two fifty class.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
It's a full on, five day two fifty class, perfect
for people who are just getting started, for those who
want to rebuild their skills, or those who just want
to be not the weird guy who's shooting an iron
sight at forty five.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
You'll be among other weird guys.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
In other words, just the way I carry every day.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I go say, it's that's us, my friend.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, well, congratulations on the book and the experience. And yes,
as soon as you go what do they say? Africa
for hunters is like crack. You know, once you start,
you got.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
To have more.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Oh, they do everything for you. You knock the animal over,
they put it in the truck, you drive to the
next site. They process the animal you sit down to
a very nice dinner with linen, napkins and a wine list.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And for those who are wan and they're saying, well,
thirty grand is the lot it is. You know, it's
a substantial amount of money. But you can also do
Africa at the ten to fifteen thousand dollars level.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Just depends on how many animals you want to take
and where you're going.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Indeed, one size does not fit all.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
There you go, Bob, Congratulations on the book.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Thank you sir.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
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Hey guys, Max Michelle here. I just wanted to take
a moment to congratulate Tom on hitting thirty years on
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(12:02):
So Tom, we thank you for these last thirty years,
and we look forward to thirty more.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Buddy, all right, our number here is Tom Talk Gun
That's how you call us, and we're just now. I
guess they're in and wait to have calls because I
want to chat with you about the things that are
interesting to you, the guns you're thinking about buying, the
ones you did buy, maybe even your Christmas gun story
(12:26):
I have. I have a number of guns I've gotten
for Christmas. Then I have one that really disappointed me.
Tell you about that in just a minute. Let me
grab Brent out of Billings, Montana. Hey, Brent, you're on
gun Talk. How can we help?
Speaker 10 (12:39):
Hey, I've got an idea and I want to say
RXm ruger rx M and three fifty seven sig. I
know they're not going to make it, so I want
to see if I can make it.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Ohkay, what's what's your experience with that cartridge?
Speaker 10 (13:00):
I have a three twenty now. It's my primary carry gun.
I just like everything about the cartridge. I have tried well.
First off, I've tried to get my three twenty to
uncommandly fire, and I cannot. I've tried everything that they
show on YouTube, and mine will not go back unless
I pull the trigger. The other thing is is I've
(13:24):
tried everything I can to get my three twenty two malfunction,
and I cannot get it to malfunction. I feeded cast bullets,
jacketed bullets, forty Smith and Westonbraast, neck down magnum primers,
three or four different types of powder, all in the
same magazine, and I cannot get it to malfunction.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
That's the point, right though.
Speaker 10 (13:50):
Right Yeah. The bottleneck case. I stayed away from bottleneck
cases and handguns because I didn't want to lube cases.
But I don't loube cases. I base size with a
ten millimeter die, I next size with a threety seven
sig die, and then I see it and go just
like what any other any other handgun round. It's an
(14:11):
extra step, but I'm okay.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Sure, all right, So basically Futuary seventh sig, you're going
to get close to three fifty seven magnum revolver cartridge levels, right.
Speaker 10 (14:23):
And I'm I'm not a nine millimeter fan. It's uh yeah,
it's just not me. I need tell some of them more.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
All right.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
So you want to a river RXIM which comes in nine,
but you want to somehow convert it to So what
would it take? What would you have to do to
an RXm to be able to shoot that cartridget you got?
First of all, it's got to take the mags are
First of all, are there glock mags available for that
(14:54):
in that cart?
Speaker 11 (14:55):
Well, there are glock.
Speaker 10 (14:56):
There are glock mags available for threety seven or forty.
I don't know if they fit in the RXm. And
that's that's what I'm calling to try and find out
if somebody has both of them, where, if there's a
shop owner or something listening to the show, if they
could take I don't know model numbers of glock I
(15:17):
can't even imagine keeping up with that, but they're somewhere
in the model thirty range, you know, thirty three, thirty
four or thirty two, something like that if they can,
if they can take a glock mag and stick it
in the RXm, see if it if it falls free
when they when they drop the mag, and if it
(15:37):
holds the bolt open, holds the slide open, I'm going
to say it's going to function.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And at that point you're looking for a barrel which
should be doable, and look, it's worth tinkering with. I'm
not sure it's. Yeah, you may figure out that the
juice is not worth a squeeze on it, But at
the same time, that never stops us from these kind of.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Things, does it.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
No, I haven't any gun that I've bought in the
last two decades hasn't stayed factory. I've done something to it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Right, right, right, question for you? Do you have you
said you're not a nine milimeter guy? Do you have
any ten milimeters?
Speaker 10 (16:25):
Yeah, maybe four or five something like that.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Well, go ahead, go ahead, just you go up, please.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
Okay, Yeah, I've got they're mostly full size nineteen elevens.
I've got one Wyoming Arms that's a kind of kind
of nineteen eleven but not really, but most of them
are our government model sized nineteen eleven style guns. My
(16:56):
first quest for a carry gun when I was shifting
away from revolvers was a ten millimeter, but I wanted
a double action ten millimeter, and the only ones I
could find were Smith and Wessons that their magazines were
about eighty bucks apiece. And when you're buying those in magazines,
that kind of hurts.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, I understand, well, you know, and I would say
be patient. You ever know, the RXm may come out
in a ten milimeter at some point. I don't have
any information about that, but as possible, I do like
tens if you want more than nine, and it's definitely
more than forty five.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
But there you go. I'll tell you what. All right,
we put out the word, and I appreciate the call.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Sir.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
We've asked the question. If somebody has an idea of
how we can go about this, maybe it works, maybe
it doesn't. But if you've got those two.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Elements, maybe you can stick a bag in on our
XM and see how that works for you.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
All right, let's go to Charlie out of Khusbay, Oregon
Online one. Charlie, thank you for your patience. You're on
gun Talk, sir.
Speaker 12 (17:53):
How are you, sir?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I am, well, what's going on?
Speaker 12 (17:58):
Well, I have a question for you. I am a
one hundred percent disabled veteran, and you talk about training,
and you have never discussed the economics of it. I
(18:24):
cannot afford to spend one thousand dollars to go to
the places that you recommend for training. There is no
local place to get any training. The closest place is
about a two hundred mile round trip for me. Do
(18:48):
you have any suggestions?
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Sure? Are there any shooting ranges near you at all?
Speaker 12 (18:56):
Sir?
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Are there any shooting ranges near you?
Speaker 12 (19:01):
There is one about thirty miles away.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Okay, Have you asked gun stores? Are the shooting range
if there's even an individual who offers training.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
In that area?
Speaker 12 (19:15):
There is, as far as I know, only one real
gun store that is about five miles away from me.
I have talked to them. They have no suggestions.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Well, it sounds like your situation is a little bit
like mine. In the winter, our local range is covered
with snow, and I am a two hour drive from
the closest shooting range, two hours each way, And so
that's what it's just basically, Okay, that's what you get
for living in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
It's where I live. And close to where you live,
you know.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I mean, it's what we do because I like living
in the middle of nowhere, So you got to put
up with that. I don't have an answer for you.
Here's the deal, and I mean, being realistic about it.
It cost a lot of money to put on training.
I mean a lot of money insurance alone, you got it.
And so from from their standpoint, they're looking at it
(20:09):
and going, I got to get two hundred bucks a
day at least, you know, for this to work from
each student. Otherwise it's just not working financially. So I
don't really know what to tell you other than maybe
poking around and see if you can find somebody that's
within somewhat driving distance. But and I hate to say
(20:32):
it this way, I'm not trying to be callous, but
there are some things in our lives that are simply
out of reach financially and they don't work. And so
I wish I could help you with this, But the
reality is good training costs money. And maybe it's a
case of Okay, we could save up for the next
three years and then we could afford something like that.
(20:54):
I don't know how to budget it for anybody else.
I just know that we'll and look, I appreciate you
call it. Look, nobody has an unlimited budget. We all
have financial restrictions on what we can spend. In my case,
it's like, Okay, I'm going to buy an expensive pistol.
(21:14):
How do I go about that? Well, first of all,
you put it off for twenty years, which is what
I did, And then you say, okay, what could I
sell so I can buy this? And so I've started
that process. I just sold a left handed two eighty
four rifle. I've got a two seventy. I've got a
thirty out six that are going out the door, probably
(21:37):
two or three others, and that'll pay for it. In
terms of things are expensive, yeah, they are. I can't
afford everything, No, we can't, but we can make And look,
I don't know, you know what our gentlemen can do.
(22:00):
There are places that will offer better classes, Jim. Jim's
pointing out. He says, over at Clacamus they have classes
for disabled events at the Clackamus Sheriff's Office.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Of all things that might be doable. There you go. Thanks, gam,
I appreciate you poking that and around and finding that one.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
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Speaker 4 (22:25):
Keviny talked about that or saving.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Up money or buying an a little bit more expensive
a custom gun. Maybe now's the time for you. All Right,
We've got lots of folks calling in. We got questions,
I got answers. I'll make them up even if they're
not true. It's your job to figure out which is which.
Let's go line to Paul's in Reno, Nevada. Hey, Paul,
(22:50):
you're on the air.
Speaker 13 (22:51):
What's up, Hey, Tom? So, I've been watching some of
the first person Defender videos and I've come to think,
I know I need a pocket revolver to carry a
handbagger lot for the sick reason and also in the pocket.
So I was looking at the jframe and I didn't
(23:12):
like the trigger, but I thought, yeah, okay, you know
it is what it is. Then I found the LCR
and I, oh, it's the trigger like the gun.
Speaker 11 (23:21):
Thought it was all set.
Speaker 13 (23:23):
Then I looked at reviews on the two guns and
also in the LCR, and I saw where people were
talking about the LCR in three fifty seven magnum just
because it's a little heavier and easier to shoot.
Speaker 11 (23:35):
The three eighty.
Speaker 13 (23:36):
I have no attention of shooting at three fifty seven.
The gun that small, but that little extra weight handles that. Said. Okay,
that's the way to go. But I can't hold because
nobody has one locals. So now I'm going between that.
And then I hear ruger, Well it worked so hard
to trim the weight off of the thirty eight special,
to get it down to a really terrible way. I thought, well,
(23:57):
maybe I should go with that one. You carry an
LCR in you shoots are special?
Speaker 11 (24:05):
No you find it?
Speaker 14 (24:07):
No, No, I carry a ELSI are in three twenty
seven Federal. Oh okay, and I'm going to suggest you
take a hard look at that for several reasons. Number one,
it has twenty percent more AMMO capacity because it has
six shots instead of five.
Speaker 11 (24:29):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Number two is that if you wanted to shoot the
full house three twenty seven Federal AMMO, it's just as
powerful as a three fifty seven and just as uncomfortable.
So I would bypass that. But there now are some
really good thirty two eh.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
In our loads.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
We just had a gentleman on talking about the AMMO
he makes at Lost River AMMO, and they're using wadcutter
loads eight and fifty feet per second, not a lot
of recoil, but really good defense loads. So I would
suggest you take a good look at the three twenty
seven federal chambering in the LCR or in the smith
(25:10):
because they've got it also in the J frame.
Speaker 13 (25:13):
Okay, what's what's the amm all available availability?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Sorry, it's actually pretty it's actually pretty good and getting
pretty good.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
On the thirty two ancient R.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
What you're going to find is it's very much like
a snubnose three fifty seven. If you shoot the full
house loads, after about the second or third shot, you're
going to say that was enough, thank you very much.
But with the lighter loads, it's a pleasure to shoot.
And AMAL availability is there. You're not going to find
it in every store. You may end up having to
buy it online, but it is out there, and they're
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getting more and more all the time.
Speaker 13 (25:51):
Okay, is that the twenty seven? Is that the steel
frame or the aluminum frame? Difference between the two between
the three we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Well, if you're talking about the LCRS obviously as a
polymer frame, well.
Speaker 13 (26:11):
It's polymer, but the the well, the it's pretty to
come out control mechanisms polymer. The frame is aluminum in
the three especial and it's still in the right for me.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I want I want the lightest one I can get
because the recoil is not has nothing to worry about
with the thirty two eighth in our loads, and I
just want lightweight when I'm carrying it.
Speaker 13 (26:33):
Okay, So you go for the lightweight over the extra recoil.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Having okay, and you and I go hammer us completely.
I don't want one with a hammer.
Speaker 13 (26:43):
Sure, right, that's the idea. I have it in the
bag or have it in a pocket, and I don't
want the hammer to go. That's why I like the
trigger on the Ruger was a little bit smoother than
the j frame.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Okay, well, look, take a look at the three twenty
seven options and start weighing that out. I mean, I
hate to complicate your choices, but uh that's a really
good one and I don't want you to overlook that.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Okay.
Speaker 13 (27:06):
Yeah, you capplicated things a lot, but I'll figure it
out anyways.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Thank you so much, job, thanks a much. I appreciate
the call.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Uh oh, let's go with a third Paul in a
row why not line three? Paul is, uh, let's see, yeah,
are in going to Kansas? Oh my gosh, hey Paul.
See if Paul still there? Hey Paul in Leota, Kansas?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Here there?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Ah man, he's gone. Okay, let's jump drop down to
line one and grab Steve. Who Steve today? You get
to be Paul. I guess I don't know what the
deal is.
Speaker 11 (27:43):
Well, Paul, whatever, it's all your fault, no matter what exactly.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
It's gonna be my fault. But what all right? So
you great guard?
Speaker 11 (27:51):
Let's so uh. I was talking to my local gun
guy and I said, all right, gun sales are down.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
What do you go?
Speaker 11 (28:01):
And say? What do you just have to get rid of?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Oh? Boy?
Speaker 11 (28:04):
He said you need you need to come in and
take a look at this. It's new And I said
what is it? He goes, it's a double stack nine.
And you know, Tom, you've been talking about double stack
nine forever. So I had to go in and take
a look at it. And it's a new company out
of Duluth, Georgia called Alpha Foxtrot and they have the
(28:30):
twenty eleven style and the model is called Romulus like that. Yeah,
so it's twenty eleven. So because it's a double stack,
but it's a particular style, right And uh, I said,
well what what how come? And the guy was telling me,
(28:52):
he says, because STI has become staccato. All the STI
patents have expired and everybody is copy in it.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Correct.
Speaker 11 (29:01):
The sprink of Armory Prodigy, I mean Sticatom has their
own and there's a number of them out there. This thing, Tom,
it's like butter. It They it's a foreign three foreign
quarter inch with comp and they have this uh they
call it DLC coating on it. It's diamond like coating
(29:24):
and they whatever name they get. And it's supposed to
resist branches. But the steel frame steel slide, but because
of the coating, it just slides and it's not very lubricated.
And yet it's just it's like butter. And so he's
you know, my young guys tell me that you know, okay,
(29:45):
this option and that triggering this thing, that it's an
equal to the forty nine Chicado.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I'm just I'm waiting for it. I'm waiting for it. Now.
This is going to be good, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 11 (30:00):
So I'm trying to say, okay, you know, like you said,
if Fanta Claus isn't going to bring it to you, you
better go get it yourself, because you know what you
want and you know how you want it. So I asked, like,
I said, how much and how soon? Because might as
well right with four extra maggs. I'm telling you that
(30:23):
it was. It was still less than two grands and nice.
It is just now my hands, according to what you said,
my hands are a little bit like there's big palms
but shorter fingers. And yet this big old grip is
not too big. It fits. It's just right. So I mean,
(30:45):
it's two I've only got two hundred rounder.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
But I just said, let's cut to the chase. How's
it shoot?
Speaker 11 (30:53):
It's shoot crazy, I was ringing steel. It's seventy five yards.
It's only because the stall I was in was only
seventy find her phone. Oh this is a I mean,
once I got to cite it in.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Oh.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
Now it's heavy. It weighs four ounces.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
It's and there's no recoil.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Nine.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
It's not going anywhere. Yeah, man, So.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
I was asking my gun guy. I said, hey, you know,
Romulo said it to vote remas. When are they going
to bring out the back forty five. Oh yeah, Scott,
if you're listening, we want dreamers to be in forty five.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
That is a great range for Congratulations on Merry Christmas
to you.
Speaker 11 (31:42):
Dude, exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
That is terrific. All right, there it is. That's how
you self enabled by golly with maybe a little bit
of help from me. Just remember what would Tom do
my number? Eight six six, talk gun. We'll be right back.
Oh we're not going to break. I'm sorry you'm saying no, no, no,
don't go to break. Okay, don't go the okay. Oh
that means we have more calls. There you go, give
me a call eight sixty six, talk gun.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
All right. So here's the deal. A double stack.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Nineteen eleven people call them twenty elevens.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I think maybe.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Staccato may still have the trademark on twenty eleven, which
is why other companies are not calling it that.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
So what do you get there?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Well, you get the double well best back up A
nineteen eleven basic nineteen eleven is single stack, and you
have the fabulous trigger and the fab bullet, fabulous ergonomics
of a nineteen eleven the way John Browning designed it.
But you do have a single stack, and a lot
of people want more bullets because more bullets are better, right,
(32:46):
more carts es, I get it, But we say bullets
because it's fun. Then they bring out a double stack version,
we get a fatter grip. That's a given, but you
still have all the benefits. And I know people are saying, yeah,
but I've got an MMP, I've got a glock, I've
got a you know, a ruger, an RXm, I've got
it whatever, I get it.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I have those two and they're great. Don't get me
wrong at all.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I am not saying anything negative about them because I
have a lot of them. If I had to go
into a fight, I probably would grab one of those.
And they are unbelievably affordable. I mean, I'm seeing our
EXMS at three forty nine and it's a terrific pistol.
But once you shoot a really good nineteen eleven platform,
(33:36):
which applies to the twenty elevens as well, it really
is like you're going, oh, oh, oh, oh, I see
what these guys are talking about now, And unfortunately, it's
the ultimate and frustration of trying to explain to you
what it's like without you having to being able to
get in your hands. Once you get it, once you
(33:58):
shoot it, you go, oh, I get that. But just
to hear us talk about it, it's like, oh, yeah, sure,
I mean, how much better can it be?
Speaker 5 (34:05):
What?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
What's the deal? I don't know any more.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
What I can tell you just you gotta go get
one and try one and find a buddy who has
a nineteen eleven a good one, I mean, because there
are a few, not many, but there are a few
that are not that great, and they're a little rough.
And of course nineteen elevens are sold out at the
three hundred dollars level. Once you move up to what five, six,
seven hundred dollars, then they start to get considerably better
(34:31):
now that you can't take a cheap one and fix
it up, because that is one of the things about
nineteen elevens. They're kind of like an ar that way,
you can swap everything out inside of it and really
chick it up and smooth it up, and it works
pretty well. But I tell you a double stack nineteen
eleven and nine millimeter, and yeah, they're bigger, they're heavier,
(34:53):
sure they are. And if you got a twenty round meg,
you got twenty rounds and that adds to the weight
as well, and you shoot it and it's like the
slide just comes back and forth, but the gun doesn't rise.
It's kind of crazy. The first time you shoot, you
go oh oh, that's different, and the field is different,
(35:16):
and they're often as this one is stunningly accurate. When
you say he's bigg and stealed seventy five yards. The
only reason he didn't go out further is because that's
as far as the bay was that he was shooting at.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
I mean, it's like one of those deals of I
would love to say everybody needs to go get one
of these, but you don't. No, this is totally discretionary money.
You don't have to have one. But if you've been
thinking about what can I get, you gotta look at that.
I also really really like his approach call the gun
(35:53):
story and said, all right, sales are down. What do
you have that you got to get rid of or
that you'd like to get rid of? And then start
working your deal. All Right, you got this gun or
these guns, You've got this stuff you need to move
out things that what can you take a pretty good
cut on and still be okay. Basically, I mean what
(36:15):
you got to find is that if you've got a
smart person, you're talking to the person who owns the store,
they may be looking at some of this stuff and say,
you know, I would sell it for what I got
in at this point, because that money is already out
of my door and I've got this gun, and I
would like to have some money back in my door
right now.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
I don't need to turn a profit. I just need
to get my money back on.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
So I've got cash money, And there are people out
there who are smart business people who will say, shoot,
let's convert inventory into cash right now. And if you
were to call that gun store and say hey, again,
you got to be talking.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
To the right person.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
The clerk may not be able to cut deals, but
the manager can, and the owner certainly can. He say
what do you have that you can do a deep
cut on? I got cash money, let's talk and maybe
they say, yeah, we don't do that. Fine, not a problem,
you have, no harm, no foul. I'm like, you're not
(37:17):
gonna hurt my feelings by saying no. But I would
be kind of dumb not to ask. I think it's
kind of like buying the car. Do you walk in
and pay sticker? Well, on guns, A lot of times
we do. We're not used to bargaining. But I like
the idea that, look, it's right now, it's end of
the year, it's inventory Time's we got to make our quotas.
(37:39):
We're gonna have our year in numbers, whatever that is.
I think it's a good time to start thinking about
maybe making deals. I like that approach. Called them and
say what do you have, and then be open to
whatever they say. They may say, Look, here's a gun
you may not have heard of like this. I mean
I had never heard of this, but you got to
(38:00):
take a look at it, and man, there are people
making some really nice guns, little bit the outfits that
you never heard of before, and you got to go look,
it's like, okay, well, what's the worst that could happen?
You go to the gun store again. Oh yeah, make
me go to the gun store again.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Please, Right.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I hate to do that, Right, So I wander here's
the deal, I mean, you know it is. I'm going
to wander the aisles and I'm not going to come
home empty handed, just the way it's going to be.
I went to a website earlier this morning and went, huh,
look at that. I bought several things I absolutely did
not need. I mean, everybody needs a dozen p thirty
(38:42):
eight can openers, right, because they're selling it's like three
bucks apiece. You go, I'll just give those things way.
That'd be fun. Okay, silly, that's silly. Of course, it's silly.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
That's what I do. It's what we do.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
By the way, I got to check this out on Facebook.
Look for gun Talk or gun Talk media over Facebook
and Instagram and everywhere else. Of course, on YouTube, we've
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Speaker 4 (39:06):
We're putting out more all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Of course you subscribe for a podcast, which is free
anywhere you get podcasts, we're cranking those out, not just
the radio show, but we got all sorts of other
things going on. I mean, we're turning out content because
we're always playing with.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
New guns.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
All right.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
On Thursdays.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Just a couple of three days ago, Donald Trump signed
an executive order recognizing the medicinal benefits of marijuana and
encouraging further medical research, basically saying we need to reschedule
it from a Schedule one drug. What's that going to
do for people who can't buy their own guns right
now because they use marijuana. Well, might make some changes,
(39:50):
but not so fast, my friend. We'll talk about that
in a few minutes, because there's more to this than
you might imagine. First, let's go to the phones line one.
Jason's with us out of Virginia. Hey Jason, thanks for
your patience. What's on your mind, sir?
Speaker 15 (40:04):
Thank you Tom First, thank you for everything you do.
We're much better people with you in this world, and
so I appreciate everything you do.
Speaker 13 (40:10):
Thank you you.
Speaker 15 (40:13):
I had had a idea for years to take a
bunch of people from work to go shooting, and that
seems like a pretty easy achievable thing, but our situation
is a little different. You'll never hear a range report
like this before again, probably, but decided to go do it,
talk to the range ahead of time. The reason it
was a little different is because some of us are blind.
(40:35):
So I've called the show once before and talked to
you about using a laser on my guns to kind
of help people lind me up and stuff, and I
thought it would be a great idea to you have
some people from work come along and ended up getting
a total of fifteen of us to go to the
range and big shout out to Freedom Outdoors in Virginia
(40:57):
here to kind of help make this happen, allow us
to get the chance to do this. So four of us,
like I said, we're blind, including myself and the rest
of people a lot of time first time shooters and
that kind of thing. We had a tremendous time. We
got to shoot a bunch of different things. I brought
an ar I brought a GT. Thirty five gun, Thank you.
(41:21):
It was my first time getting to shoot that. I've
never actually shot a bolt action gun or won for that.
Speaker 13 (41:26):
Oh yes, yes, sir, Yeah, so had that.
Speaker 15 (41:30):
There had a PC nine caliber Tarbee. We rented a
Springfield Kuna with a suppressor on it, so everybody got
a chance to shoot a bunch of different guns. Another
friend of ours brought a twenty two with a suppressor
on it, twenty two long rifle. So it was it
was tremendous and already got a bunch of people asking
(41:51):
when are we going to do it again?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Well, that was going to be my follow up question
is how did they like and what was their response?
Speaker 15 (41:57):
Oh yeah, I got people the very next day who
currently are very reserved that kind of thing, and came
to me and said, thank you so much for doing this.
When can we do it again? I actually had people
who weren't even part of the original outing texting me
later on, going, hey, you know I heard you did
this thing. Is there a chance you'll do it again?
(42:18):
It was really great. I had a couple of people
mentioned at work how they kind of felt more relaxed
the next day at work, and that kind of thing,
which I'd never really considered before. But that was a
real interesting surprise.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
How was the reaction for the people at the range.
Speaker 15 (42:33):
That's part of the reason I wanted to do it,
is to kind of get them to feel comfortable with this.
They I couldn't have asked for anything better. I mean,
they were super helpful, super willing to you know, put
hands on and kind of show and help people, you know,
and line us up and all that. And you know,
I had a couple of friends who are very experienced
(42:54):
as well and to help out. But it was pretty cool.
I told them before it even started that are going
to have some really good stories to tell, and I
think I was correct in saying that.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Well, Jason a big old gun talk out of boy
to you, that is an amazing thing to do and
to hope if you will pardon this who opened a
lot of people's eyes to the ability of the blind
to shoot. So way to go look and look. Thank
you for the call. Thank you for the range of
port terrific well done, I mean just that is great.
(43:24):
And also yeah for the range for them to be
willing to and to jump in and then you know
they learned something in the process and to be more
open to that kind of a message to the rest
of us. You know what, shake off the comfort level.
Maybe do something that's a little bit different, get out there,
do some things then, or do some people to shooting.
What a wonderful thing to do.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
You know, if you can be a part of this,
give me a call eade six' six talk.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Gun we're gonna chat about this and that and the
other thing and probably something you want to talk. About
I'm Tom gresh will be right back and more gun.
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Obviously, I love to hunt, and I love to hunt
anywhere and everywhere, but I gotta tell you, once you
go to Africa, it's like, okay, that was my first trip,
because then you start plotting how can I get back
at A good friend of mine just experience that with
this first trip, and Bob Shimazu joins us right now.
And Bob, you and I have known each other for
decades now and enjoy shooting and your gun site, graduate
(00:53):
of pretty much everything they do.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
But you discovered Africa.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I did. I did. It started out the fact that
I'm an absolutely lousy hunter, Tom, But I am not
smarter than an elka. I am not smarter than a deer.
And I would go out in the mountains and freeze
and then go home discourage, So I gave myself an
Indian name, walks through woods, cursing quietly. Okay, I could
(01:20):
shoot plenty, but just never was able to connect with
the large animal here on the American continent. Right, So
why not Africa? Because I'm getting older, Let's give it
a shot. And I did.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Everybody I know who has been the moment they get
back from that first hunt, they start planning on their
second hunt.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Indeed, and that's we're thinking in terms of June of
twenty twenty six for our return.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Are you really you're going back? Okay, so when was
your first trip?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
It was May of twenty twenty five. Oh, you're out
for a yeah, ten day hunt this spring. And while
we are there, Jane Ann, my wife, said two things.
Number One, this is the coolest thing we've ever done.
Number Two, when we come back, I want to.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Hunt, not if when we come back.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Oh, I got my attention.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
So what did you hunt?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Well? I went over with Cape buffalo as my primary
because I figure it would be cool to start with
one of the Big five. This is an animal that,
if enraged, is perfectly capable of turning you into a
brownish red paste. After that, it was going to be
some planes game. I can't afford any of the other
Big five and we're talking about leopard, lyon, Pippo rhinoceros.
(02:37):
Those are well out of my reach. But I could
achieve a kpe buffalo.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Well, okay, let's touch on that before we move on,
because that's the other thing people say.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I said, well, it's way too expensive. I couldn't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And I always tell them, well, have you priced a
guide at el Khont recently?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Oh? Absolutely, if you wanted a moose in Alaska? What
is it thirty thousand bucks now?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, thirty grand for a moose.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
I spent about that much to go to Africa for
ten days.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
And it took how many animals?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Four in total, cape, buffalo, zebra and two impala. I
was hoping for a kudu but we never found one
with the right length of horn.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
And what country were you in?
Speaker 5 (03:18):
I was in Zimbabwe, which is just north of South Africa,
and I strongly urged Zimbabwe for several reasons. One is
the Zimbabwe Professional Guide Association. Those people are some of
the most highly trained educated people you will find in Africa.
They're great, great people.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
They are absolutely botanist entomologists.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I mean, you go on and on.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
The test they have to take. They have to know
everything about the environment there. And I have hunted Zimbabwe
and you're exactly right. And obviously there are some other
good countries. Namibia as a popular one these days. There
are a lot of ways to go a lot of things.
But then you came back and said, I got to
share this experience, so you decided to write a book
(04:03):
about it.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Well, I started out to write an essay with pictures.
Jane Ann took a lot of really good exposures while
we were over there. She's been learning from you. By
the way, Tom, she's good. Yeah's well, she's not as
good as you, but she's really good. And over the
first few days of writing, it start growing and growing,
(04:24):
and the book Earning Africa soon became a primer for
anyone who was interested in doing just this and going
to Africa. Here's the steps, here are the ways you
can prepare yourself, and here's how to have a successful hunt.
It all ended up in this book.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
It really is the ABC's of your first Africa hunt.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Yes, thank you put a lot of work into that
aspect of things.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So I mean, people are going to want to know,
So what did you do? As far as what rifle to.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Take the floor for caliber in Zimbabwe is three seventy
five Holland back. That's been around for almost one hundred years,
if not one hundred years. It's a medium cartridge. Most
people can tolerate carrying one, most people can tolerate the recoil,
and it's good for anything out to maybe two hundred yards,
(05:16):
though I wouldn't trust myself out beyond two hundred.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, the three seventy five eight and h was actually
introduced in nineteen twelve, so we're well over one hundred years.
And when you say it's the minimum, it's the minimum
for Cape Buffalo or a dangerous game. Obviously you use
something smaller for planes.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Game, Yes, one could. The Colonel Law was like thirty
out to six with one hundred and eighty green bullet.
He thought that was excellent for any planes game. I've
seen people do it with threeh eight. In fact, one
of the ladies in our party, party Fidy, took her
Zebra with the three eight and did just fine.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, I mean it's a planes game. They're dis credits
and the main thing is, as always, you got hit
them in the right place with a good bullet and
then good things happen. So all right, tell me about
this book. It's earning Africa. I take it you are
selling this available.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
It's available on my website, Bob shimazoo dot com. And Tom,
can you can spell that for folks because you knew
it well.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
S h I M I zu it's all I shima
Zoo Bob shimazoo dot com. And uh, I mean I
should say you know you say you're allowsy hunter. You're
also a really good shooter, because I h you've done
all the gun site stuff and I have shot with you,
and so I'm not at all in all of the
fact that you hit what you aimed at my friend.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Well, thank you. We're only as good as our next shot, though,
aren't we.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well this is true. So and I think I've shared
with you. I now have you got me into this?
By the way, you loan me that really sweet high
end nineteen eleven and it's like, oh this is different.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
That was a Chuck Rogers pistol.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yes, And so I just ted Bill Lofbridge as Cynder
and slide build me one. It's sitting close to me
over here, it has not even been out yet, just
been snowing and raining. I'm not going to take it
out in the middle of that. But maybe this weekend
it goes out.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Yes see, you should. I mean, there's a Chuck Rogers
in my waistband right now.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, there you go. That's my kind of guy, all right.
So how do they can get a copy of Earning Africa?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
What's the cost?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
It's I think it's thirty bucks.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, you're you're You're a heck of a salesman, aren't you, dude?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Well, I should, I should know that sort of thing.
It's available in a soft copy and I have about
twenty five of the original full color print editions to go.
And you know, I'll throw I'll throw in the shipping
on that. But it's all on the website.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Okay, Bob shivazoo dot com. Well tell you what, I'm
gonna be down your way next spring some time. We'll
get together, but probably you know, who knows, you may
be in Africa by the time I get there.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Well, come before or after June.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Well, I will be before or June, and I don't
mind telling people. I'm going to go take the Jeff
Cooper to fifty class at GANSI, which is the nineteen
eleven iron Sight Leather Holster class.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yep, I'll be in that class. Were you really yes, sir,
I'm signed up.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Oh that's fun.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I got two of my buddies here coming, so we're
going to have a good time.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
And it's a real class.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
It's not like, oh, this is some kind of goofy
commemorative thing, although it is commemorative.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah. Mean, it's the full two fifty class.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
It's a full on, five day two fifty class, perfect
for people who are just getting started, for those who
want to rebuild their skills, or those who just want
to be not the weird guy who's shooting an iron
sight at forty five.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
You'll be among other weird guys.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
In other words, just the way I carry every day.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I go say, it's that's us, my friend.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, well, congratulations on the book and the experience. And yes,
as soon as you go what do they say? Africa
for hunters is like crack. You know, once you start,
you got.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
To have more.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Oh, they do everything for you. You knock the animal over,
they put it in the truck, you drive to the
next site. They process the animal you sit down to
a very nice dinner with linen, napkins and a wine list.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And for those who are wan and they're saying, well,
thirty grand is the lot it is. You know, it's
a substantial amount of money. But you can also do
Africa at the ten to fifteen thousand dollars level.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Just depends on how many animals you want to take
and where you're going.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Indeed, one size does not fit all.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
There you go, Bob, Congratulations on the book.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Thank you sir.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
All right, folks, don't go far. We'll be right back
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Speaker 9 (11:42):
Hey guys, Max Michelle here. I just wanted to take
a moment to congratulate Tom on hitting thirty years on
the air with Gun Talk. It's an incredible accomplishment and
well deserved. Tom has always brought us the information that
we wanted and needed to know as it relates to
the Second Amendment or a gun enthusiast or anyone out
there that's carrying protect our loved ones and our great nation.
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So Tom, we thank you for these last thirty years,
and we look forward to thirty more.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Buddy, all right, our number here is Tom Talk Gun
That's how you call us, and we're just now. I
guess they're in and wait to have calls because I
want to chat with you about the things that are
interesting to you, the guns you're thinking about buying, the
ones you did buy, maybe even your Christmas gun story
(12:26):
I have. I have a number of guns I've gotten
for Christmas. Then I have one that really disappointed me.
Tell you about that in just a minute. Let me
grab Brent out of Billings, Montana. Hey, Brent, you're on
gun Talk. How can we help?
Speaker 10 (12:39):
Hey, I've got an idea and I want to say
RXm ruger rx M and three fifty seven sig. I
know they're not going to make it, so I want
to see if I can make it.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Ohkay, what's what's your experience with that cartridge?
Speaker 10 (13:00):
I have a three twenty now. It's my primary carry gun.
I just like everything about the cartridge. I have tried well.
First off, I've tried to get my three twenty to
uncommandly fire, and I cannot. I've tried everything that they
show on YouTube, and mine will not go back unless
I pull the trigger. The other thing is is I've
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tried everything I can to get my three twenty two malfunction,
and I cannot get it to malfunction. I feeded cast bullets,
jacketed bullets, forty Smith and Westonbraast, neck down magnum primers,
three or four different types of powder, all in the
same magazine, and I cannot get it to malfunction.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
That's the point, right though.
Speaker 10 (13:50):
Right Yeah. The bottleneck case. I stayed away from bottleneck
cases and handguns because I didn't want to lube cases.
But I don't loube cases. I base size with a
ten millimeter die, I next size with a threety seven
sig die, and then I see it and go just
like what any other any other handgun round. It's an
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extra step, but I'm okay.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Sure, all right, So basically Futuary seventh sig, you're going
to get close to three fifty seven magnum revolver cartridge levels, right.
Speaker 10 (14:23):
And I'm I'm not a nine millimeter fan. It's uh yeah,
it's just not me. I need tell some of them more.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
All right.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
So you want to a river RXIM which comes in nine,
but you want to somehow convert it to So what
would it take? What would you have to do to
an RXm to be able to shoot that cartridget you got?
First of all, it's got to take the mags are
First of all, are there glock mags available for that
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in that cart?
Speaker 11 (14:55):
Well, there are glock.
Speaker 10 (14:56):
There are glock mags available for threety seven or forty.
I don't know if they fit in the RXm. And
that's that's what I'm calling to try and find out
if somebody has both of them, where, if there's a
shop owner or something listening to the show, if they
could take I don't know model numbers of glock I
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can't even imagine keeping up with that, but they're somewhere
in the model thirty range, you know, thirty three, thirty
four or thirty two, something like that if they can,
if they can take a glock mag and stick it
in the RXm, see if it if it falls free
when they when they drop the mag, and if it
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holds the bolt open, holds the slide open, I'm going
to say it's going to function.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And at that point you're looking for a barrel which
should be doable, and look, it's worth tinkering with. I'm
not sure it's. Yeah, you may figure out that the
juice is not worth a squeeze on it, But at
the same time, that never stops us from these kind of.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Things, does it.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
No, I haven't any gun that I've bought in the
last two decades hasn't stayed factory. I've done something to it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Right, right, right, question for you? Do you have you
said you're not a nine milimeter guy? Do you have
any ten milimeters?
Speaker 10 (16:25):
Yeah, maybe four or five something like that.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Well, go ahead, go ahead, just you go up, please.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
Okay, Yeah, I've got they're mostly full size nineteen elevens.
I've got one Wyoming Arms that's a kind of kind
of nineteen eleven but not really, but most of them
are our government model sized nineteen eleven style guns. My
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first quest for a carry gun when I was shifting
away from revolvers was a ten millimeter, but I wanted
a double action ten millimeter, and the only ones I
could find were Smith and Wessons that their magazines were
about eighty bucks apiece. And when you're buying those in magazines,
that kind of hurts.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, I understand, well, you know, and I would say
be patient. You ever know, the RXm may come out
in a ten milimeter at some point. I don't have
any information about that, but as possible, I do like
tens if you want more than nine, and it's definitely
more than forty five.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
But there you go. I'll tell you what. All right,
we put out the word, and I appreciate the call.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Sir.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
We've asked the question. If somebody has an idea of
how we can go about this, maybe it works, maybe
it doesn't. But if you've got those two.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Elements, maybe you can stick a bag in on our
XM and see how that works for you.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
All right, let's go to Charlie out of Khusbay, Oregon
Online one. Charlie, thank you for your patience. You're on
gun Talk, sir.
Speaker 12 (17:53):
How are you, sir?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I am, well, what's going on?
Speaker 12 (17:58):
Well, I have a question for you. I am a
one hundred percent disabled veteran, and you talk about training,
and you have never discussed the economics of it. I
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cannot afford to spend one thousand dollars to go to
the places that you recommend for training. There is no
local place to get any training. The closest place is
about a two hundred mile round trip for me. Do
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you have any suggestions?
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Sure? Are there any shooting ranges near you at all?
Speaker 12 (18:56):
Sir?
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Are there any shooting ranges near you?
Speaker 12 (19:01):
There is one about thirty miles away.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Okay, Have you asked gun stores? Are the shooting range
if there's even an individual who offers training.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
In that area?
Speaker 12 (19:15):
There is, as far as I know, only one real
gun store that is about five miles away from me.
I have talked to them. They have no suggestions.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Well, it sounds like your situation is a little bit
like mine. In the winter, our local range is covered
with snow, and I am a two hour drive from
the closest shooting range, two hours each way, And so
that's what it's just basically, Okay, that's what you get
for living in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
It's where I live. And close to where you live,
you know.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I mean, it's what we do because I like living
in the middle of nowhere, So you got to put
up with that. I don't have an answer for you.
Here's the deal, and I mean, being realistic about it.
It cost a lot of money to put on training.
I mean a lot of money insurance alone, you got it.
And so from from their standpoint, they're looking at it
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and going, I got to get two hundred bucks a
day at least, you know, for this to work from
each student. Otherwise it's just not working financially. So I
don't really know what to tell you other than maybe
poking around and see if you can find somebody that's
within somewhat driving distance. But and I hate to say
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it this way, I'm not trying to be callous, but
there are some things in our lives that are simply
out of reach financially and they don't work. And so
I wish I could help you with this, But the
reality is good training costs money. And maybe it's a
case of Okay, we could save up for the next
three years and then we could afford something like that.
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I don't know how to budget it for anybody else.
I just know that we'll and look, I appreciate you
call it. Look, nobody has an unlimited budget. We all
have financial restrictions on what we can spend. In my case,
it's like, Okay, I'm going to buy an expensive pistol.
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How do I go about that? Well, first of all,
you put it off for twenty years, which is what
I did, And then you say, okay, what could I
sell so I can buy this? And so I've started
that process. I just sold a left handed two eighty
four rifle. I've got a two seventy. I've got a
thirty out six that are going out the door, probably
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two or three others, and that'll pay for it. In
terms of things are expensive, yeah, they are. I can't
afford everything, No, we can't, but we can make And look,
I don't know, you know what our gentlemen can do.
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There are places that will offer better classes, Jim. Jim's
pointing out. He says, over at Clacamus they have classes
for disabled events at the Clackamus Sheriff's Office.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Of all things that might be doable. There you go. Thanks, gam,
I appreciate you poking that and around and finding that one.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
All right, our number here is eighty six six Talk
Gun or Tom Talk Gun.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Keviny talked about that or saving.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Up money or buying an a little bit more expensive
a custom gun. Maybe now's the time for you. All Right,
We've got lots of folks calling in. We got questions,
I got answers. I'll make them up even if they're
not true. It's your job to figure out which is which.
Let's go line to Paul's in Reno, Nevada. Hey, Paul,
(22:50):
you're on the air.
Speaker 13 (22:51):
What's up, Hey, Tom? So, I've been watching some of
the first person Defender videos and I've come to think,
I know I need a pocket revolver to carry a
handbagger lot for the sick reason and also in the pocket.
So I was looking at the jframe and I didn't
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like the trigger, but I thought, yeah, okay, you know
it is what it is. Then I found the LCR
and I, oh, it's the trigger like the gun.
Speaker 11 (23:21):
Thought it was all set.
Speaker 13 (23:23):
Then I looked at reviews on the two guns and
also in the LCR, and I saw where people were
talking about the LCR in three fifty seven magnum just
because it's a little heavier and easier to shoot.
Speaker 11 (23:35):
The three eighty.
Speaker 13 (23:36):
I have no attention of shooting at three fifty seven.
The gun that small, but that little extra weight handles that. Said. Okay,
that's the way to go. But I can't hold because
nobody has one locals. So now I'm going between that.
And then I hear ruger, Well it worked so hard
to trim the weight off of the thirty eight special,
to get it down to a really terrible way. I thought, well,
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maybe I should go with that one. You carry an
LCR in you shoots are special?
Speaker 11 (24:05):
No you find it?
Speaker 14 (24:07):
No, No, I carry a ELSI are in three twenty
seven Federal. Oh okay, and I'm going to suggest you
take a hard look at that for several reasons. Number one,
it has twenty percent more AMMO capacity because it has
six shots instead of five.
Speaker 11 (24:29):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Number two is that if you wanted to shoot the
full house three twenty seven Federal AMMO, it's just as
powerful as a three fifty seven and just as uncomfortable.
So I would bypass that. But there now are some
really good thirty two eh.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
In our loads.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
We just had a gentleman on talking about the AMMO
he makes at Lost River AMMO, and they're using wadcutter
loads eight and fifty feet per second, not a lot
of recoil, but really good defense loads. So I would
suggest you take a good look at the three twenty
seven federal chambering in the LCR or in the smith
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because they've got it also in the J frame.
Speaker 13 (25:13):
Okay, what's what's the amm all available availability?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Sorry, it's actually pretty it's actually pretty good and getting
pretty good.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
On the thirty two ancient R.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
What you're going to find is it's very much like
a snubnose three fifty seven. If you shoot the full
house loads, after about the second or third shot, you're
going to say that was enough, thank you very much.
But with the lighter loads, it's a pleasure to shoot.
And AMAL availability is there. You're not going to find
it in every store. You may end up having to
buy it online, but it is out there, and they're
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getting more and more all the time.
Speaker 13 (25:51):
Okay, is that the twenty seven? Is that the steel
frame or the aluminum frame? Difference between the two between
the three we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Well, if you're talking about the LCRS obviously as a
polymer frame, well.
Speaker 13 (26:11):
It's polymer, but the the well, the it's pretty to
come out control mechanisms polymer. The frame is aluminum in
the three especial and it's still in the right for me.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I want I want the lightest one I can get
because the recoil is not has nothing to worry about
with the thirty two eighth in our loads, and I
just want lightweight when I'm carrying it.
Speaker 13 (26:33):
Okay, So you go for the lightweight over the extra recoil.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Having okay, and you and I go hammer us completely.
I don't want one with a hammer.
Speaker 13 (26:43):
Sure, right, that's the idea. I have it in the
bag or have it in a pocket, and I don't
want the hammer to go. That's why I like the
trigger on the Ruger was a little bit smoother than
the j frame.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Okay, well, look, take a look at the three twenty
seven options and start weighing that out. I mean, I
hate to complicate your choices, but uh that's a really
good one and I don't want you to overlook that.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Okay.
Speaker 13 (27:06):
Yeah, you capplicated things a lot, but I'll figure it
out anyways.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Thank you so much, job, thanks a much. I appreciate
the call.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Uh oh, let's go with a third Paul in a
row why not line three? Paul is, uh, let's see, yeah,
are in going to Kansas? Oh my gosh, hey Paul.
See if Paul still there? Hey Paul in Leota, Kansas?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Here there?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Ah man, he's gone. Okay, let's jump drop down to
line one and grab Steve. Who Steve today? You get
to be Paul. I guess I don't know what the
deal is.
Speaker 11 (27:43):
Well, Paul, whatever, it's all your fault, no matter what exactly.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
It's gonna be my fault. But what all right? So
you great guard?
Speaker 11 (27:51):
Let's so uh. I was talking to my local gun
guy and I said, all right, gun sales are down.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
What do you go?
Speaker 11 (28:01):
And say? What do you just have to get rid of?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Oh? Boy?
Speaker 11 (28:04):
He said you need you need to come in and
take a look at this. It's new And I said
what is it? He goes, it's a double stack nine.
And you know, Tom, you've been talking about double stack
nine forever. So I had to go in and take
a look at it. And it's a new company out
of Duluth, Georgia called Alpha Foxtrot and they have the
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twenty eleven style and the model is called Romulus like that. Yeah,
so it's twenty eleven. So because it's a double stack,
but it's a particular style, right And uh, I said,
well what what how come? And the guy was telling me,
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he says, because STI has become staccato. All the STI
patents have expired and everybody is copy in it.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Correct.
Speaker 11 (29:01):
The sprink of Armory Prodigy, I mean Sticatom has their
own and there's a number of them out there. This thing, Tom,
it's like butter. It They it's a foreign three foreign
quarter inch with comp and they have this uh they
call it DLC coating on it. It's diamond like coating
(29:24):
and they whatever name they get. And it's supposed to
resist branches. But the steel frame steel slide, but because
of the coating, it just slides and it's not very lubricated.
And yet it's just it's like butter. And so he's
you know, my young guys tell me that you know, okay,
(29:45):
this option and that triggering this thing, that it's an
equal to the forty nine Chicado.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I'm just I'm waiting for it. I'm waiting for it. Now.
This is going to be good, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 11 (30:00):
So I'm trying to say, okay, you know, like you said,
if Fanta Claus isn't going to bring it to you, you
better go get it yourself, because you know what you
want and you know how you want it. So I asked, like,
I said, how much and how soon? Because might as
well right with four extra maggs. I'm telling you that
(30:23):
it was. It was still less than two grands and nice.
It is just now my hands, according to what you said,
my hands are a little bit like there's big palms
but shorter fingers. And yet this big old grip is
not too big. It fits. It's just right. So I mean,
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it's two I've only got two hundred rounder.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
But I just said, let's cut to the chase. How's
it shoot?
Speaker 11 (30:53):
It's shoot crazy, I was ringing steel. It's seventy five yards.
It's only because the stall I was in was only
seventy find her phone. Oh this is a I mean,
once I got to cite it in.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Oh.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
Now it's heavy. It weighs four ounces.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
It's and there's no recoil.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Nine.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
It's not going anywhere. Yeah, man, So.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
I was asking my gun guy. I said, hey, you know,
Romulo said it to vote remas. When are they going
to bring out the back forty five. Oh yeah, Scott,
if you're listening, we want dreamers to be in forty five.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
That is a great range for Congratulations on Merry Christmas
to you.
Speaker 11 (31:42):
Dude, exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
That is terrific. All right, there it is. That's how
you self enabled by golly with maybe a little bit
of help from me. Just remember what would Tom do
my number? Eight six six, talk gun. We'll be right back.
Oh we're not going to break. I'm sorry you'm saying no, no, no,
don't go to break. Okay, don't go the okay. Oh
that means we have more calls. There you go, give
me a call eight sixty six, talk gun.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
All right. So here's the deal. A double stack.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Nineteen eleven people call them twenty elevens.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I think maybe.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Staccato may still have the trademark on twenty eleven, which
is why other companies are not calling it that.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
So what do you get there?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Well, you get the double well best back up A
nineteen eleven basic nineteen eleven is single stack, and you
have the fabulous trigger and the fab bullet, fabulous ergonomics
of a nineteen eleven the way John Browning designed it.
But you do have a single stack, and a lot
of people want more bullets because more bullets are better, right,
(32:46):
more carts es, I get it, But we say bullets
because it's fun. Then they bring out a double stack version,
we get a fatter grip. That's a given, but you
still have all the benefits. And I know people are saying, yeah,
but I've got an MMP, I've got a glock, I've
got a you know, a ruger, an RXm, I've got
it whatever, I get it.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I have those two and they're great. Don't get me
wrong at all.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I am not saying anything negative about them because I
have a lot of them. If I had to go
into a fight, I probably would grab one of those.
And they are unbelievably affordable. I mean, I'm seeing our
EXMS at three forty nine and it's a terrific pistol.
But once you shoot a really good nineteen eleven platform,
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which applies to the twenty elevens as well, it really
is like you're going, oh, oh, oh, oh, I see
what these guys are talking about now, And unfortunately, it's
the ultimate and frustration of trying to explain to you
what it's like without you having to being able to
get in your hands. Once you get it, once you
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shoot it, you go, oh, I get that. But just
to hear us talk about it, it's like, oh, yeah, sure,
I mean, how much better can it be?
Speaker 5 (34:05):
What?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
What's the deal? I don't know any more.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
What I can tell you just you gotta go get
one and try one and find a buddy who has
a nineteen eleven a good one, I mean, because there
are a few, not many, but there are a few
that are not that great, and they're a little rough.
And of course nineteen elevens are sold out at the
three hundred dollars level. Once you move up to what five, six,
seven hundred dollars, then they start to get considerably better
(34:31):
now that you can't take a cheap one and fix
it up, because that is one of the things about
nineteen elevens. They're kind of like an ar that way,
you can swap everything out inside of it and really
chick it up and smooth it up, and it works
pretty well. But I tell you a double stack nineteen
eleven and nine millimeter, and yeah, they're bigger, they're heavier,
(34:53):
sure they are. And if you got a twenty round meg,
you got twenty rounds and that adds to the weight
as well, and you shoot it and it's like the
slide just comes back and forth, but the gun doesn't rise.
It's kind of crazy. The first time you shoot, you
go oh oh, that's different, and the field is different,
(35:16):
and they're often as this one is stunningly accurate. When
you say he's bigg and stealed seventy five yards. The
only reason he didn't go out further is because that's
as far as the bay was that he was shooting at.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
I mean, it's like one of those deals of I
would love to say everybody needs to go get one
of these, but you don't. No, this is totally discretionary money.
You don't have to have one. But if you've been
thinking about what can I get, you gotta look at that.
I also really really like his approach call the gun
(35:53):
story and said, all right, sales are down. What do
you have that you got to get rid of or
that you'd like to get rid of? And then start
working your deal. All Right, you got this gun or
these guns, You've got this stuff you need to move
out things that what can you take a pretty good
cut on and still be okay. Basically, I mean what
(36:15):
you got to find is that if you've got a
smart person, you're talking to the person who owns the store,
they may be looking at some of this stuff and say,
you know, I would sell it for what I got
in at this point, because that money is already out
of my door and I've got this gun, and I
would like to have some money back in my door
right now.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
I don't need to turn a profit. I just need
to get my money back on.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
So I've got cash money, And there are people out
there who are smart business people who will say, shoot,
let's convert inventory into cash right now. And if you
were to call that gun store and say hey, again,
you got to be talking.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
To the right person.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
The clerk may not be able to cut deals, but
the manager can, and the owner certainly can. He say
what do you have that you can do a deep
cut on? I got cash money, let's talk and maybe
they say, yeah, we don't do that. Fine, not a problem,
you have, no harm, no foul. I'm like, you're not
(37:17):
gonna hurt my feelings by saying no. But I would
be kind of dumb not to ask. I think it's
kind of like buying the car. Do you walk in
and pay sticker? Well, on guns, A lot of times
we do. We're not used to bargaining. But I like
the idea that, look, it's right now, it's end of
the year, it's inventory Time's we got to make our quotas.
(37:39):
We're gonna have our year in numbers, whatever that is.
I think it's a good time to start thinking about
maybe making deals. I like that approach. Called them and
say what do you have, and then be open to
whatever they say. They may say, Look, here's a gun
you may not have heard of like this. I mean
I had never heard of this, but you got to
(38:00):
take a look at it, and man, there are people
making some really nice guns, little bit the outfits that
you never heard of before, and you got to go look,
it's like, okay, well, what's the worst that could happen?
You go to the gun store again. Oh yeah, make
me go to the gun store again.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Please, Right.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I hate to do that, Right, So I wander here's
the deal, I mean, you know it is. I'm going
to wander the aisles and I'm not going to come
home empty handed, just the way it's going to be.
I went to a website earlier this morning and went, huh,
look at that. I bought several things I absolutely did
not need. I mean, everybody needs a dozen p thirty
(38:42):
eight can openers, right, because they're selling it's like three
bucks apiece. You go, I'll just give those things way.
That'd be fun. Okay, silly, that's silly. Of course, it's silly.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
That's what I do. It's what we do.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
By the way, I got to check this out on Facebook.
Look for gun Talk or gun Talk media over Facebook
and Instagram and everywhere else. Of course, on YouTube, we've
got quite literally thousands of videos there.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
We're putting out more all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Of course you subscribe for a podcast, which is free
anywhere you get podcasts, we're cranking those out, not just
the radio show, but we got all sorts of other
things going on. I mean, we're turning out content because
we're always playing with.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
New guns.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
All right.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
On Thursdays.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Just a couple of three days ago, Donald Trump signed
an executive order recognizing the medicinal benefits of marijuana and
encouraging further medical research, basically saying we need to reschedule
it from a Schedule one drug. What's that going to
do for people who can't buy their own guns right
now because they use marijuana. Well, might make some changes,
(39:50):
but not so fast, my friend. We'll talk about that
in a few minutes, because there's more to this than
you might imagine. First, let's go to the phones line one.
Jason's with us out of Virginia. Hey Jason, thanks for
your patience. What's on your mind, sir?
Speaker 15 (40:04):
Thank you Tom First, thank you for everything you do.
We're much better people with you in this world, and
so I appreciate everything you do.
Speaker 13 (40:10):
Thank you you.
Speaker 15 (40:13):
I had had a idea for years to take a
bunch of people from work to go shooting, and that
seems like a pretty easy achievable thing, but our situation
is a little different. You'll never hear a range report
like this before again, probably, but decided to go do it,
talk to the range ahead of time. The reason it
was a little different is because some of us are blind.
(40:35):
So I've called the show once before and talked to
you about using a laser on my guns to kind
of help people lind me up and stuff, and I
thought it would be a great idea to you have
some people from work come along and ended up getting
a total of fifteen of us to go to the
range and big shout out to Freedom Outdoors in Virginia
(40:57):
here to kind of help make this happen, allow us
to get the chance to do this. So four of us,
like I said, we're blind, including myself and the rest
of people a lot of time first time shooters and
that kind of thing. We had a tremendous time. We
got to shoot a bunch of different things. I brought
an ar I brought a GT. Thirty five gun, Thank you.
(41:21):
It was my first time getting to shoot that. I've
never actually shot a bolt action gun or won for that.
Speaker 13 (41:26):
Oh yes, yes, sir, Yeah, so had that.
Speaker 15 (41:30):
There had a PC nine caliber Tarbee. We rented a
Springfield Kuna with a suppressor on it, so everybody got
a chance to shoot a bunch of different guns. Another
friend of ours brought a twenty two with a suppressor
on it, twenty two long rifle. So it was it
was tremendous and already got a bunch of people asking
(41:51):
when are we going to do it again?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Well, that was going to be my follow up question
is how did they like and what was their response?
Speaker 15 (41:57):
Oh yeah, I got people the very next day who
currently are very reserved that kind of thing, and came
to me and said, thank you so much for doing this.
When can we do it again? I actually had people
who weren't even part of the original outing texting me
later on, going, hey, you know I heard you did
this thing. Is there a chance you'll do it again?
(42:18):
It was really great. I had a couple of people
mentioned at work how they kind of felt more relaxed
the next day at work, and that kind of thing,
which I'd never really considered before. But that was a
real interesting surprise.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
How was the reaction for the people at the range.
Speaker 15 (42:33):
That's part of the reason I wanted to do it,
is to kind of get them to feel comfortable with this.
They I couldn't have asked for anything better. I mean,
they were super helpful, super willing to you know, put
hands on and kind of show and help people, you know,
and line us up and all that. And you know,
I had a couple of friends who are very experienced
(42:54):
as well and to help out. But it was pretty cool.
I told them before it even started that are going
to have some really good stories to tell, and I
think I was correct in saying that.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Well, Jason a big old gun talk out of boy
to you, that is an amazing thing to do and
to hope if you will pardon this who opened a
lot of people's eyes to the ability of the blind
to shoot. So way to go look and look. Thank
you for the call. Thank you for the range of
port terrific well done, I mean just that is great.
(43:24):
And also yeah for the range for them to be
willing to and to jump in and then you know
they learned something in the process and to be more
open to that kind of a message to the rest
of us. You know what, shake off the comfort level.
Maybe do something that's a little bit different, get out there,
do some things then, or do some people to shooting.
What a wonderful thing to do.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
You know, if you can be a part of this,
give me a call eade six' six talk.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Gun we're gonna chat about this and that and the
other thing and probably something you want to talk. About
I'm Tom gresh will be right back and more gun.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
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