December 11, 2025 • 29 mins
Is the Second Amendment really a partisan issue? Dianna Muller doesn’t think so — and she’s bringing a wave of women from all 50 states to prove it.
Ryan Gresham sits down with Dianna Muller, founder of Women for Gun Rights, a former Tulsa police officer, and champion shooter, to talk about advocacy, misinformation, and how everyday women are stepping up to defend the 2A in Washington, D.C. and beyond.
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Ryan Gresham sits down with Dianna Muller, founder of Women for Gun Rights, a former Tulsa police officer, and champion shooter, to talk about advocacy, misinformation, and how everyday women are stepping up to defend the 2A in Washington, D.C. and beyond.
This Gun Talk Nation is brought to you by Inglis Mfg., NRA-ARC, Range Ready Studios, and Black Hills Ammunition.
About Gun Talk Nation
Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Nation with Ryan Gresham is a weekly multi-platform podcast that offers a fresh look at all things firearms-related. Featuring notable guests and a lot of laughs. Gun Talk Nation is available as an audio podcast or in video format.
For more content from Gun Talk Media, visit guntalk.com or subscribe on YouTube, Rumble, Facebook, Instagram, and X. Catch First Person Defender on the new Official FPD YouTube channel. Watch Gun Talk Nation on its new YouTube channel. Catch Gun Talk Hunt on the new dedicated YouTube Channel. Listen to all Gun Talk Podcasts with Spreaker, iHeart, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a non partisan issue. The Second Amendment is a
non partisan issue. It's a constitutional issue, you know, right,
So we want I want Democrats to come and be
part of my organization and go be the front line
with Dick Durbin and say hey, I voted for you,
but back up off the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntog Nation. Gun
Talk Nation is brought to you by English Black Heell's
Ammunition Range Ready and in ra arc. Hey, welcome into Guntalgnation.
(00:48):
We always say there's a lot of different aspects to
gun ownership. There's competition, there's gun rights, there's gun tinkering,
there's gun history, and some of us get involved in
a lot of those aspects. Today on the show, Diana Muller, Diana,
welcome in.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
So you're here. You know you're here in studio which
welcome in, which is amazing, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
You know it's a podcast or no longer just podcast.
They're actually talk shows and so that's kind of what
we're doing here. So I think some people know who
you are and what you do, but you do and
I kind of tease that you do a lot of
different things in the world of guns, but give people
a little background about who you are.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I was gonna joke and say that I fish, because
when we're in Walmart, a lot of people see us
in our jerseys are like deep fish.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And pro fisherman. Where's your boat?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So my name is Diana Muller. I am a retired
Tulsa Police officer. I did the twenty two years there
and loved my career. I went in where where I'm from,
you know, the patrol, which is where everybody starts out,
and then did street crimes, gangs, and narcotics. It was
It was a great career. It went by way too fast.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You get to do narcotics while your yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, well now, but you get to pursue narcotics. And
then I retired a little earlier than I thought I
was going to because I started competing again. I competed
a little bit in the shooting sports as a kid
with my dad and USPSA, and then when I got
(02:22):
out on my own, I stuck with horses and I
barrel raised for the majority of my adult life when
I started out on my own, and then they built
a range right close to the police department, and I
really kind of forced myself to go back to the
shooting sports just to get behind my gun and get
some practice for my career.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Gotcha, and I just.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Fell in love with the people, and I fell in
love with a group of guys that I enjoyed being around.
And it was really looking back on it, it was
God just going closing a door and opening another door.
And over the course of about three years, I would
shoot pistol matches. But then we found three guns and
(03:07):
I took the hook and took it down deep on
the three gun route, and that's that's what solidified it
for me. I just loved the action. We kind of
call it the the X Games of the shooting sports
because we're shooting rifles, we're shooting pistols, we're shooting shotguns,
all with our hair on fire as accurately as we can.
So it's it's a lot of fun and I really
(03:30):
enjoyed that plus the people. So it took me about
three years to go one hundred percent to horses, one
hundred percent to guns, and I sold my place, moved
to town. It was a big shift, and.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
You didn't save any money by going away from horses.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I did save money. Oh my gosh, horses are just
a money pit. And nobody was paying me to run barrels.
I was, you know, that was just a passion. So
I've turned what was what became my next hobby of guns.
I turned it into another career. So I shut the
door on the police department at twenty two years. I
(04:05):
thought I'd go twenty five. And I was doing that
for about a year's solid. My husband and I Ryan
and live in the life of Riley until I got
way too close to Washington, d C. And a friend
of mine said, do you want to meet your legislator?
And it was me and Ryan and then Mitchellick's just
Jerry and Leana, I think. And we were in a
(04:26):
meeting with an Oklahoma legislator and I was like, is
there something that we should be doing as professional shooters
to educate the people in this building because they're making
some very egregious decisions that are based on ignorance. And
professional shooters are easy to vet. You can trust us,
you can learn from us. Well, come to find out,
there's not that many professional shooters in every state. So
(04:50):
what God put on my heart was to bring women
one from every state to Washington, DC. When we kicked
it off, we called it the DC Project because I
didn't want to start an organization. But several years down
the road, we saw Virginia. If you remember, I was
twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, that Virginia fell to an all
anti gun government from the governor all the way down
(05:14):
and like ninety eight percent of their counties declared themselves
to a sanctuaries. And that was like, Okay, the fight
is really in the states. And that's when we opened
our doors, really incorporated, opened our doors as an organization.
And yeah, and then I asked the women that had
been coming to Washington, d C. To go back and
be state directors for Women for Gun And then we
(05:36):
changed our name eventually to Women for Gun Rights because
it was you know, DC Project Massachusetts and DC Project
Arizona and didn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, it sounded weird. I mean the mission is still
the same, right, The.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Mission is still kind of the same, And I have
laser focused it over the years and understood why it's
so important myself because early on, but if you guys
don't know, like a lot of people in our space
don't know how what the threat is. And the threat
is this that there are forces at work to disarm
(06:10):
America and they're using the female voice to call for
more gun control. So there is one specific group called
Mom's Demand Action. They are funded by Bloomberg to the
tune of sixty million dollars or so. I'll let you
know that our budget is not quite that much.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Not a fraction of that, yeattie.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I mean, I don't even know if a fraction is,
Like we're a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars budget.
So it's a David and Goliath situation. But they are,
you know, they are propagandizing. They I believe that if
I could talk to their entire membership that I could
probably take half of them with me, because they've never
heard somebody that looks like them, that sounds like them,
(06:53):
say that I feel better being able to protect myself,
that I am safer. I am safer because I carry
a gun. They can't hear, you know, the world has
demonized the white men, and you can't hear from traditional
gun owners. So I think that's why Women for Gun
Rights is really important, as we fill a hole that
(07:15):
nobody else is filling.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Do you feel like when you guys and you still
do the trips to DC, right, when you guys have
those trips to DC that across fifty states, they hear
you out more so than maybe if I showed up.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Sure, absolutely, I mean, like I said, they've demonized the guys.
You guys can take care of yourself a lot more
than I can take care of myself. I'm five six
and weight one hundred and thirty pounds, and I can't
go up against a guy that's five six and one
hundred and thirty pounds. He's going to own me. And
(07:50):
it was It's kind of and.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You can also have the perspective of you've been you
were a police officer for twenty two years, and like
you're literally putting yourself out there on the streets and
having to kind of go, how am I going to
handle this?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I have some experience with violence, and I have some
experience with firearms. So I feel like the women can
kind of trust other women that come from you know,
looking through the world through a different perspective, a different lens,
and we can really change public opinion when it comes
to guns and gun ownership like nobody else can. So
(08:28):
women are the fastest growing demographic. Black women are the
fastest growing demographic of the subdivision. So it doesn't it
makes sense that, you know, we we tell our stories
and we stand at the front line and we can
provide armor and the attacks on the Second Amendment. So
that's why I think Women for Gun Rights were uniquely
(08:49):
positioned to speak to those people that are in the
middle of the road that don't really know anything about
guns or might have guns. But you know, I support
the Second Amendment, but we can speak to those people
like nobody else can because the legacy organizations. NRA does
a great job, GOA does a great job's Second Amendment Foundation,
all of the legacy organizations are doing fantastic work, but
(09:13):
they can't They've been demonized right the middle of the road.
People can't hear from those organizations. So I think that we,
you know, we're autonomous. We were women, you know, highlighting
the women's voice about why we want to be why
we feel safer, why we think that education is the
key to fire safety and violence prevention, not legislation.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
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So I have heard some stories about people going to
d C for DC project and then it's women's gun rights.
People listening to this probably know people go to DC,
(12:11):
but they don't really I think realize, like you can
go there. You can just walk down the hall and
you can request a meeting with your representatives. And that's
such a powerful thing just from the start of it.
But when you guys go in there, I mean, depends
on what your state is and who your rep is.
(12:32):
It might be a great meeting, a super friendly meeting.
And then you go into it and it's groups of women.
You still do the groups of women thing. So it's
like you go into a different state and all of
a sudden it's fairly hostile or can be.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
We've had girls cry, Yeah, we've had legislators just be
be little and yeah, it's pretty it can get pretty sporty.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Talk about and this is not picking on any but
it kind of is talk about how ignorant a lot
of the representers are. And I'll say, on both sides, yeah,
just I don't you know, just ignorant meaning not knowledgeable
about a particular subject. I mean, what have you guys encountered.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Well, we have a lot of stories, and it seems
like every time we go to Washington, d C. There's
some kind of drama. Like the first year that we
went was when Scalice got shot. So we came out
of the subway and my phone is blowing up about
you know, there's been a shooting and I'm cancel your meetings,
and I was like, I can't cancel my meetings. You know,
this is yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
We have fifty women who flew into the yeah on.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Their own dime, in their own time, and we just
kind of held our nose and we jumped in. And
my first meeting was with senator out of Oklahoma and
it was it was actually a coffee and these are
kind of unique because a lot of them have coffees
and they open up, so there's probably fifty people in
the room. Oh, and I'm in the front row and
(13:57):
he's like, what are you doing here today? You know,
is yourself say where you're from because there's other people
from Oklahoma in here, and I was sweat and bullets man.
I was like, yeah, I'm here to advocate for the
Second Amendment. And then he picked it up and he
just knocked it out of the park and he's like, yeah,
Mi Scalise, we're keeping an eye on him and stuff
(14:19):
like that. So there are good, really good people Langford,
but his name was escaping me. I can hear him
and see him. But then we've had the other ones
that go bad. And like Dick durban was in the
same scenario, like in front of everybody a coffee of
his constituents, and he was just horrible and demeaning and
(14:39):
telling people you're not talking, and it's yeah, don't throw
people down. I'll throw people down him. We try to
stay very we try to stay very cordial, and we don't.
I believe that mom's demand is very bullish and they're
very throw fits and being angry, and we don't do that.
(15:02):
We don't operate like that. But we and it's a
non partisan issue. The Second Amendment is a non partisan issue.
It's a constitutional issue.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know, right, So we want I want.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Democrats to come and be part of my organization and
go be the front line with Dick Durbin and say, hey,
I voted for you, but back up off the Second Amendment.
So we invite we want to see those people that
you know, it's a cross section of America. It's it's
your daughters, your grandmothers, your sisters. You're you're gay, you're straight,
(15:40):
you're black, you're white, you're Asian, whatever it is. If
you are a law abiding American, the Second Amendment is
for you.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And most of the people who own guns, they own
it for protection, for self defense, for protect themselves and
their family. That's not a partisan issue. Safety is not
a partisan issue.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I think people are starting to see that, and I
think that that's why the past five years, you know,
with COVID and everything that happened, with the George Floyd
riots and things like that. I think that we have
our gun sales have skyrocketed because of that. Now do
they believe that, you know, do they believe that universal
background checks are bad? Because universal background checks are bad.
(16:28):
They're the last hurdle. They're the last hurdle that the
government needs to clear in order to confiscate down the road.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
What are some of those things that I mean, you
just would we address that? When are there other ones
that you say, I need to clarify in case there's
any misunderstanding for anyone out there where they're like, well,
I don't know, I mean background checks, that's not a
bad thing, right, You're like, no, no, no, no, no, let me
explain what they're trying to do because you alluded to it. Yes,
(16:57):
you're not necessarily if they're actually out to get right.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right there, are a lot. There are the usual suspects
I call them. There's red flag laws, universal background checks,
safe storage, things like that. And we have on our
landing page womenfogun Rights dot Org we have a one
page talking points So like the holidays are coming up,
go download it. Well a it's free to join right
now and then download this talking points. And every time
(17:26):
you go to an interviewer, every time you have somebody,
you have to study these things and be intentional because
they're running on the opposition is running on emotions. And
if you could just save one kid, well, if you
prepare yourself, you're going to know that the forty five
thousand gun deaths a year that you should compare to
the saves. And if you know the number of saves,
(17:48):
which by CDC studies is between two and three million
saves annually. If it saves just one person, well they're
saving exponentially more then they're taking. And then then that
forty five thousand number is two thirds of it is suicide.
So what you know, being a victim of a shooting
(18:11):
is a very low propensity. But when you have those
those facts on your side and easily readily available on
your tongue, that's what it's going to take to influence
your friends, your families, your communities, and your legislators. You
have to be intentional because it's really easy to hear
somebody say something that's so dumb and ignorant, and then
(18:35):
you know, you equip back, you're ignorant, but you're dumb.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
You need to be prepared for this, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
And be prepared for their emotional response. And if you're
prepared for somebody that's going to come at you with emotion,
then you can kind of prepare yourself to absorb that
energy and give it back with a calmness that isn't
just calling them names and going on down the road, right,
because that doesn't influence anybody.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
What are what are some of the other ridiculous things
that like a mom's demand put out there that they try.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
To go, Oh, they're a big thing right now, is
that guns are the number one killer of kids. But
they have a study. They have the study that has
eighteen and nineteen year olds in there, so they get
all the game violence. Yeah, I can I can go
defend my country, I can get alone, I can start
a family, I can do all these things. And I'm
(19:30):
a kid and they call them kids, So I think
that's disingenuous, and but you have to know that. You know,
when you hear that, you don't know where their stats
are coming from. But if you know that that's what
it is, you can easily defeat that and redirect, redirect
those things.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, you're down here. We ought to talk about kind
of it's good to be able to catch up. But
you're also here for a program NRA ARC.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, America's Rifle Challenge. So the NRA has a new
program and it's called ARC, and we're excited to my
husband and Iryan our professional shooters obviously, but we're excited
to help the NRA get this off the ground and
get people's attention on it because it's NRA has traditionally
(20:17):
been in like the b Yankee Cup and some other things,
and they haven't really had anything for the AR fifteen
and this is specifically for the AR fifteen and then
there'll be some pistol stuff in the end. But for
people who are new to the competition, this is a
great way for them to come in and really get
(20:39):
their feet wet.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, it's good to have some events, some competitions that
are accessible for people who have maybe haven't shot up
competition before.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Right, there's a lot of new gun owners like what's
this competition all about? Like, come out and find a
range that is hosting an ARC challenge and ask what
it's all about. Really, if you are a new shooter,
your best bet is to go to the range with
(21:11):
or without a gun and say, hey, I'm new, help me.
And the community is so great and they will take
you under their wing and they will make sure you
have a great, safe and fun experience.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I feel like, and I'm kind of hard on people
because I'll say, you know, they won't take training, they
assume they know all this stuff when they really haven't
done much in the way of training or shooting. But
I will say I feel like lately I have more
people kind of admitting they don't know. And I'm not
saying I'm an expert. I know, maybe probably more than
(21:47):
you know the average guy who doesn't his main job
isn't gun stuff. But like even like grown men, which
grown men are a lot of times gun owners, and
a lot of times the ones who don't want to
say I don't no, I mean they've been asking lately
of like I don't know, Like what do I need
to get, what do I need to do? What's the
proper thing for this or this or this. But there's
(22:09):
a lot of inside baseball knowledge that, oh you just
don't know. You just walk into a gun store.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
You just don't know, no, no, And it's a journey
and it is a marathon. It is not a sprint.
You know. You think you go in and you get
your first gun, and you get a holster and you're
all set, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Right,
There's so many other things. And you know, if you
have a spouse that likes that kind of stuff, like
be thankful because you have an endless supply of ideas,
(22:39):
gift ideas for the rest of your life. Like you
can go get, you can customize. And that's why I
love the Air fifteen is because I call it the
Mister Potato Head. I mean literally, you can change anything
on that and you can make it all your own
and then you can paint it really pretty. And yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Funny then, like the bling, it is funny how a gun,
an inanimate object like the AR fifteen, gets all these
different But it's one of the more fun guns. If
you haven't shot. It's an easy gun to shoot, it's
fun to shoot, and I think, you know, people love
being able to customize. So, Diana, what else on women's
(23:20):
gun rights? Where we headed into next year? What are
you guys gonna be doing?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Oh wow, So we've got every year we go to Washington, DC,
and this year and it's really hard for me to
set that date because usually you know, you'll set a
date immediately. Well, I have to wait for the Congressional
calendar to come out, and it doesn't come out until
December of the year before. So I'm sitting here, you know,
(23:44):
waiting for this date for twenty twenty six. And what
I'd like to do is traditionally and we take our
state directors and some special stories. So we have about
sixty to seventy women on Capitol Hill. It's kind of
a closed deal. What I would like to do is
open that up to a conference for everybody, if anybody
wanted to come and experience what we do in Washington,
(24:06):
d C. Do some touring, take our We'll have a class,
we'll have like CIVIX one oh one, how to talk
to you. We have about a six hour block and
then we go out and do a rally in front
of the Capitol of the Supreme Court, and you get
those pictures and those iconic it's really cool to be
able to experience all that and then just open that
(24:26):
up and then to go to Capitol Hill and go
knock on doors and make meetings.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
How does this or it doesn't change for you guys
with the current administration. How does it because you've been
doing this long enough, You've you've been under a few
different administrations doing this. How does it change things? Or
how what kind of opportunities exist with currently what we've
got going on?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Well, how it changes things. It's a lot less hostile,
which actually kind of lets people get on their laurels
even more so if your audience didn't know, Like Biden
created an Office of Gun Violence Prevention and he put
one point two billion dollars into it to basically help
states write gun laws. So when this not pro gun laws,
(25:15):
now gun restrictions, So you think about how far they
moved the ball down the field. So when Trump came
back into office, I was calling everybody and I was like, hey, hey, hey,
don't have a knee jerk reaction of abolishing this. And
then there was Doge and I was like, oh, we're
so going to lose this. But what I wanted to
do was repurpose the office and say the Office of Firearms.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Education and then use that what did Biden call it?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Office of Gun Violence Prevention? Okay, yeah, so and he
put all that money into the States. But now you know,
this administration acts as the entire office, which you would
think would be a good thing. But now we're not
even in the game. Had they created their own game,
they moved the ball down the field, and then we're like,
(26:05):
we're taking the ball and we're going home. We're not
going to play your game. And they have influenced through that.
They have influenced and put in places a lot of
things that our side isn't. You know. We're sitting here
and fighting the good fight, and at some point we're
going to have to get down in the ditches and
fight with them.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And this all this takes a lot of money, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Well, you would think, but I want it.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
We like to do the grassroots thing, but there is
a reality to needing a certain amount of money to
do this type of right.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Biden just put one point two billion dollars of influence
into the states from a federal level, and Mom's Demand
Action is operating on sixty million dollars and we don't
have a Bloomberg. Would love to find a Bloomberg, but
we don't have a Bloomberg to support us and let
us build a team. We have a fantastic vehicle, but
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we need a pit crew, we need new tires, and
we need gas money. So that's what you know. I
have other This is kind of a part time gig
for everybody. I have other things to take care of
and this gets a lot of my time because everybody
on my shirt, everybody benefits from the work I do
for free. So it's it works out for everybody that
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I do what I do. But yeah, it would be
nice to have a We've got amazing volunteers, but volunteers
or have jobs and families and things like that that
it would be nice to have.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
You see, I was, I did tag along one year
and to see it, it's I mean, it looks to
be an amazing experience. I know you guys have a
lot of fun too. It's not I mean, there's a
lot of work going on, but I mean there's a there's.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
A bond that happened yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I mean you guys are going to different events as well, right.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
No, we just go to different meetings. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We break up into small groups. And if you shoot
at all and you've ever been to competitions, you know,
it's kind of like a squad. So we have squads
of four to six women and different places, usually regionally now.
And I try to be strategic about putting stories, the
right stories into Like if you think a woman can't
(28:20):
protect themselves, I'll stick a woman in there that has
protected themselves. Yeah, and really just create relationships with the
people who support the Second Amendment and then with the
people who, you know, give give a little speed bump
to the people who don't support the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, very good. And they and they can just look
you guys up Women for.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Gun Rights, womenfogun Rights dot org.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Okay, awesome.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah. We need we need people. We need you know,
like I said, it's free to join, so it's a
very low bar. I think in twenty twenty six we're
going to have paid membership, So get in now. And
we need them to follow our social media. You know,
the numbers. It's a numbers game, and it's an optics game.
Everything's an optics game in the world.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
So how many members do you have?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, like, we have about ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
It's pretty good. I don't know if that's I mean,
a million would be better.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
But when you're looking at million, the David and Goliath,
but we just yeah, I look at us as kind
of like three hundred from Thermopolis. Yes, like I feel
like we're you know, we're effective. I hope we have
a different outcome. But a small, a small, but mighty team.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, very good, Yeah, very good.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Well, thanks for being with us, Thanks for having me.
It's pleasure.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
All right, guys, that's it for us. We'll see you
next time on gun Dog Nation.
It's a non partisan issue. The Second Amendment is a
non partisan issue. It's a constitutional issue, you know, right,
So we want I want Democrats to come and be
part of my organization and go be the front line
with Dick Durbin and say hey, I voted for you,
but back up off the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
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We always say there's a lot of different aspects to
gun ownership. There's competition, there's gun rights, there's gun tinkering,
there's gun history, and some of us get involved in
a lot of those aspects. Today on the show, Diana Muller, Diana,
welcome in.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
So you're here. You know you're here in studio which
welcome in, which is amazing, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
You know it's a podcast or no longer just podcast.
They're actually talk shows and so that's kind of what
we're doing here. So I think some people know who
you are and what you do, but you do and
I kind of tease that you do a lot of
different things in the world of guns, but give people
a little background about who you are.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I was gonna joke and say that I fish, because
when we're in Walmart, a lot of people see us
in our jerseys are like deep fish.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And pro fisherman. Where's your boat?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So my name is Diana Muller. I am a retired
Tulsa Police officer. I did the twenty two years there
and loved my career. I went in where where I'm from,
you know, the patrol, which is where everybody starts out,
and then did street crimes, gangs, and narcotics. It was
It was a great career. It went by way too fast.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You get to do narcotics while your yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, well now, but you get to pursue narcotics. And
then I retired a little earlier than I thought I
was going to because I started competing again. I competed
a little bit in the shooting sports as a kid
with my dad and USPSA, and then when I got
(02:22):
out on my own, I stuck with horses and I
barrel raised for the majority of my adult life when
I started out on my own, and then they built
a range right close to the police department, and I
really kind of forced myself to go back to the
shooting sports just to get behind my gun and get
some practice for my career.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Gotcha, and I just.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Fell in love with the people, and I fell in
love with a group of guys that I enjoyed being around.
And it was really looking back on it, it was
God just going closing a door and opening another door.
And over the course of about three years, I would
shoot pistol matches. But then we found three guns and
(03:07):
I took the hook and took it down deep on
the three gun route, and that's that's what solidified it
for me. I just loved the action. We kind of
call it the the X Games of the shooting sports
because we're shooting rifles, we're shooting pistols, we're shooting shotguns,
all with our hair on fire as accurately as we can.
So it's it's a lot of fun and I really
(03:30):
enjoyed that plus the people. So it took me about
three years to go one hundred percent to horses, one
hundred percent to guns, and I sold my place, moved
to town. It was a big shift, and.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
You didn't save any money by going away from horses.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I did save money. Oh my gosh, horses are just
a money pit. And nobody was paying me to run barrels.
I was, you know, that was just a passion. So
I've turned what was what became my next hobby of guns.
I turned it into another career. So I shut the
door on the police department at twenty two years. I
(04:05):
thought I'd go twenty five. And I was doing that
for about a year's solid. My husband and I Ryan
and live in the life of Riley until I got
way too close to Washington, d C. And a friend
of mine said, do you want to meet your legislator?
And it was me and Ryan and then Mitchellick's just
Jerry and Leana, I think. And we were in a
(04:26):
meeting with an Oklahoma legislator and I was like, is
there something that we should be doing as professional shooters
to educate the people in this building because they're making
some very egregious decisions that are based on ignorance. And
professional shooters are easy to vet. You can trust us,
you can learn from us. Well, come to find out,
there's not that many professional shooters in every state. So
(04:50):
what God put on my heart was to bring women
one from every state to Washington, DC. When we kicked
it off, we called it the DC Project because I
didn't want to start an organization. But several years down
the road, we saw Virginia. If you remember, I was
twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, that Virginia fell to an all
anti gun government from the governor all the way down
(05:14):
and like ninety eight percent of their counties declared themselves
to a sanctuaries. And that was like, Okay, the fight
is really in the states. And that's when we opened
our doors, really incorporated, opened our doors as an organization.
And yeah, and then I asked the women that had
been coming to Washington, d C. To go back and
be state directors for Women for Gun And then we
(05:36):
changed our name eventually to Women for Gun Rights because
it was you know, DC Project Massachusetts and DC Project
Arizona and didn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, it sounded weird. I mean the mission is still
the same, right, The.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Mission is still kind of the same, And I have
laser focused it over the years and understood why it's
so important myself because early on, but if you guys
don't know, like a lot of people in our space
don't know how what the threat is. And the threat
is this that there are forces at work to disarm
(06:10):
America and they're using the female voice to call for
more gun control. So there is one specific group called
Mom's Demand Action. They are funded by Bloomberg to the
tune of sixty million dollars or so. I'll let you
know that our budget is not quite that much.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Not a fraction of that, yeattie.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I mean, I don't even know if a fraction is,
Like we're a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars budget.
So it's a David and Goliath situation. But they are,
you know, they are propagandizing. They I believe that if
I could talk to their entire membership that I could
probably take half of them with me, because they've never
heard somebody that looks like them, that sounds like them,
(06:53):
say that I feel better being able to protect myself,
that I am safer. I am safer because I carry
a gun. They can't hear, you know, the world has
demonized the white men, and you can't hear from traditional
gun owners. So I think that's why Women for Gun
Rights is really important, as we fill a hole that
(07:15):
nobody else is filling.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Do you feel like when you guys and you still
do the trips to DC, right, when you guys have
those trips to DC that across fifty states, they hear
you out more so than maybe if I showed up.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Sure, absolutely, I mean, like I said, they've demonized the guys.
You guys can take care of yourself a lot more
than I can take care of myself. I'm five six
and weight one hundred and thirty pounds, and I can't
go up against a guy that's five six and one
hundred and thirty pounds. He's going to own me. And
(07:50):
it was It's kind of and.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You can also have the perspective of you've been you
were a police officer for twenty two years, and like
you're literally putting yourself out there on the streets and
having to kind of go, how am I going to
handle this?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I have some experience with violence, and I have some
experience with firearms. So I feel like the women can
kind of trust other women that come from you know,
looking through the world through a different perspective, a different lens,
and we can really change public opinion when it comes
to guns and gun ownership like nobody else can. So
(08:28):
women are the fastest growing demographic. Black women are the
fastest growing demographic of the subdivision. So it doesn't it
makes sense that, you know, we we tell our stories
and we stand at the front line and we can
provide armor and the attacks on the Second Amendment. So
that's why I think Women for Gun Rights were uniquely
(08:49):
positioned to speak to those people that are in the
middle of the road that don't really know anything about
guns or might have guns. But you know, I support
the Second Amendment, but we can speak to those people
like nobody else can because the legacy organizations. NRA does
a great job, GOA does a great job's Second Amendment Foundation,
all of the legacy organizations are doing fantastic work, but
(09:13):
they can't They've been demonized right the middle of the road.
People can't hear from those organizations. So I think that we,
you know, we're autonomous. We were women, you know, highlighting
the women's voice about why we want to be why
we feel safer, why we think that education is the
key to fire safety and violence prevention, not legislation.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
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So I have heard some stories about people going to
d C for DC project and then it's women's gun rights.
People listening to this probably know people go to DC,
(12:11):
but they don't really I think realize, like you can
go there. You can just walk down the hall and
you can request a meeting with your representatives. And that's
such a powerful thing just from the start of it.
But when you guys go in there, I mean, depends
on what your state is and who your rep is.
(12:32):
It might be a great meeting, a super friendly meeting.
And then you go into it and it's groups of women.
You still do the groups of women thing. So it's
like you go into a different state and all of
a sudden it's fairly hostile or can be.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
We've had girls cry, Yeah, we've had legislators just be
be little and yeah, it's pretty it can get pretty sporty.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Talk about and this is not picking on any but
it kind of is talk about how ignorant a lot
of the representers are. And I'll say, on both sides, yeah,
just I don't you know, just ignorant meaning not knowledgeable
about a particular subject. I mean, what have you guys encountered.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Well, we have a lot of stories, and it seems
like every time we go to Washington, d C. There's
some kind of drama. Like the first year that we
went was when Scalice got shot. So we came out
of the subway and my phone is blowing up about
you know, there's been a shooting and I'm cancel your meetings,
and I was like, I can't cancel my meetings. You know,
this is yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
We have fifty women who flew into the yeah on.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Their own dime, in their own time, and we just
kind of held our nose and we jumped in. And
my first meeting was with senator out of Oklahoma and
it was it was actually a coffee and these are
kind of unique because a lot of them have coffees
and they open up, so there's probably fifty people in
the room. Oh, and I'm in the front row and
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he's like, what are you doing here today? You know,
is yourself say where you're from because there's other people
from Oklahoma in here, and I was sweat and bullets man.
I was like, yeah, I'm here to advocate for the
Second Amendment. And then he picked it up and he
just knocked it out of the park and he's like, yeah,
Mi Scalise, we're keeping an eye on him and stuff
(14:19):
like that. So there are good, really good people Langford,
but his name was escaping me. I can hear him
and see him. But then we've had the other ones
that go bad. And like Dick durban was in the
same scenario, like in front of everybody a coffee of
his constituents, and he was just horrible and demeaning and
(14:39):
telling people you're not talking, and it's yeah, don't throw
people down. I'll throw people down him. We try to
stay very we try to stay very cordial, and we don't.
I believe that mom's demand is very bullish and they're
very throw fits and being angry, and we don't do that.
(15:02):
We don't operate like that. But we and it's a
non partisan issue. The Second Amendment is a non partisan issue.
It's a constitutional issue.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know, right, So we want I want.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Democrats to come and be part of my organization and
go be the front line with Dick Durbin and say, hey,
I voted for you, but back up off the Second Amendment.
So we invite we want to see those people that
you know, it's a cross section of America. It's it's
your daughters, your grandmothers, your sisters. You're you're gay, you're straight,
(15:40):
you're black, you're white, you're Asian, whatever it is. If
you are a law abiding American, the Second Amendment is
for you.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And most of the people who own guns, they own
it for protection, for self defense, for protect themselves and
their family. That's not a partisan issue. Safety is not
a partisan issue.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I think people are starting to see that, and I
think that that's why the past five years, you know,
with COVID and everything that happened, with the George Floyd
riots and things like that. I think that we have
our gun sales have skyrocketed because of that. Now do
they believe that, you know, do they believe that universal
background checks are bad? Because universal background checks are bad.
(16:28):
They're the last hurdle. They're the last hurdle that the
government needs to clear in order to confiscate down the road.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
What are some of those things that I mean, you
just would we address that? When are there other ones
that you say, I need to clarify in case there's
any misunderstanding for anyone out there where they're like, well,
I don't know, I mean background checks, that's not a
bad thing, right, You're like, no, no, no, no, no, let me
explain what they're trying to do because you alluded to it. Yes,
(16:57):
you're not necessarily if they're actually out to get right.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right there, are a lot. There are the usual suspects
I call them. There's red flag laws, universal background checks,
safe storage, things like that. And we have on our
landing page womenfogun Rights dot Org we have a one
page talking points So like the holidays are coming up,
go download it. Well a it's free to join right
now and then download this talking points. And every time
(17:26):
you go to an interviewer, every time you have somebody,
you have to study these things and be intentional because
they're running on the opposition is running on emotions. And
if you could just save one kid, well, if you
prepare yourself, you're going to know that the forty five
thousand gun deaths a year that you should compare to
the saves. And if you know the number of saves,
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which by CDC studies is between two and three million
saves annually. If it saves just one person, well they're
saving exponentially more then they're taking. And then then that
forty five thousand number is two thirds of it is suicide.
So what you know, being a victim of a shooting
(18:11):
is a very low propensity. But when you have those
those facts on your side and easily readily available on
your tongue, that's what it's going to take to influence
your friends, your families, your communities, and your legislators. You
have to be intentional because it's really easy to hear
somebody say something that's so dumb and ignorant, and then
(18:35):
you know, you equip back, you're ignorant, but you're dumb.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
You need to be prepared for this, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
And be prepared for their emotional response. And if you're
prepared for somebody that's going to come at you with emotion,
then you can kind of prepare yourself to absorb that
energy and give it back with a calmness that isn't
just calling them names and going on down the road, right,
because that doesn't influence anybody.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
What are what are some of the other ridiculous things
that like a mom's demand put out there that they try.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
To go, Oh, they're a big thing right now, is
that guns are the number one killer of kids. But
they have a study. They have the study that has
eighteen and nineteen year olds in there, so they get
all the game violence. Yeah, I can I can go
defend my country, I can get alone, I can start
a family, I can do all these things. And I'm
(19:30):
a kid and they call them kids, So I think
that's disingenuous, and but you have to know that. You know,
when you hear that, you don't know where their stats
are coming from. But if you know that that's what
it is, you can easily defeat that and redirect, redirect
those things.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, you're down here. We ought to talk about kind
of it's good to be able to catch up. But
you're also here for a program NRA ARC.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, America's Rifle Challenge. So the NRA has a new
program and it's called ARC, and we're excited to my
husband and Iryan our professional shooters obviously, but we're excited
to help the NRA get this off the ground and
get people's attention on it because it's NRA has traditionally
(20:17):
been in like the b Yankee Cup and some other things,
and they haven't really had anything for the AR fifteen
and this is specifically for the AR fifteen and then
there'll be some pistol stuff in the end. But for
people who are new to the competition, this is a
great way for them to come in and really get
(20:39):
their feet wet.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, it's good to have some events, some competitions that
are accessible for people who have maybe haven't shot up
competition before.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Right, there's a lot of new gun owners like what's
this competition all about? Like, come out and find a
range that is hosting an ARC challenge and ask what
it's all about. Really, if you are a new shooter,
your best bet is to go to the range with
(21:11):
or without a gun and say, hey, I'm new, help me.
And the community is so great and they will take
you under their wing and they will make sure you
have a great, safe and fun experience.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I feel like, and I'm kind of hard on people
because I'll say, you know, they won't take training, they
assume they know all this stuff when they really haven't
done much in the way of training or shooting. But
I will say I feel like lately I have more
people kind of admitting they don't know. And I'm not
saying I'm an expert. I know, maybe probably more than
(21:47):
you know the average guy who doesn't his main job
isn't gun stuff. But like even like grown men, which
grown men are a lot of times gun owners, and
a lot of times the ones who don't want to
say I don't no, I mean they've been asking lately
of like I don't know, Like what do I need
to get, what do I need to do? What's the
proper thing for this or this or this. But there's
(22:09):
a lot of inside baseball knowledge that, oh you just
don't know. You just walk into a gun store.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
You just don't know, no, no, And it's a journey
and it is a marathon. It is not a sprint.
You know. You think you go in and you get
your first gun, and you get a holster and you're
all set, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Right,
There's so many other things. And you know, if you
have a spouse that likes that kind of stuff, like
be thankful because you have an endless supply of ideas,
(22:39):
gift ideas for the rest of your life. Like you
can go get, you can customize. And that's why I
love the Air fifteen is because I call it the
Mister Potato Head. I mean literally, you can change anything
on that and you can make it all your own
and then you can paint it really pretty. And yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Funny then, like the bling, it is funny how a gun,
an inanimate object like the AR fifteen, gets all these
different But it's one of the more fun guns. If
you haven't shot. It's an easy gun to shoot, it's
fun to shoot, and I think, you know, people love
being able to customize. So, Diana, what else on women's
(23:20):
gun rights? Where we headed into next year? What are
you guys gonna be doing?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Oh wow, So we've got every year we go to Washington, DC,
and this year and it's really hard for me to
set that date because usually you know, you'll set a
date immediately. Well, I have to wait for the Congressional
calendar to come out, and it doesn't come out until
December of the year before. So I'm sitting here, you know,
(23:44):
waiting for this date for twenty twenty six. And what
I'd like to do is traditionally and we take our
state directors and some special stories. So we have about
sixty to seventy women on Capitol Hill. It's kind of
a closed deal. What I would like to do is
open that up to a conference for everybody, if anybody
wanted to come and experience what we do in Washington,
(24:06):
d C. Do some touring, take our We'll have a class,
we'll have like CIVIX one oh one, how to talk
to you. We have about a six hour block and
then we go out and do a rally in front
of the Capitol of the Supreme Court, and you get
those pictures and those iconic it's really cool to be
able to experience all that and then just open that
(24:26):
up and then to go to Capitol Hill and go
knock on doors and make meetings.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
How does this or it doesn't change for you guys
with the current administration. How does it because you've been
doing this long enough, You've you've been under a few
different administrations doing this. How does it change things? Or
how what kind of opportunities exist with currently what we've
got going on?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Well, how it changes things. It's a lot less hostile,
which actually kind of lets people get on their laurels
even more so if your audience didn't know, Like Biden
created an Office of Gun Violence Prevention and he put
one point two billion dollars into it to basically help
states write gun laws. So when this not pro gun laws,
(25:15):
now gun restrictions, So you think about how far they
moved the ball down the field. So when Trump came
back into office, I was calling everybody and I was like, hey, hey, hey,
don't have a knee jerk reaction of abolishing this. And
then there was Doge and I was like, oh, we're
so going to lose this. But what I wanted to
do was repurpose the office and say the Office of Firearms.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Education and then use that what did Biden call it?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Office of Gun Violence Prevention? Okay, yeah, so and he
put all that money into the States. But now you know,
this administration acts as the entire office, which you would
think would be a good thing. But now we're not
even in the game. Had they created their own game,
they moved the ball down the field, and then we're like,
(26:05):
we're taking the ball and we're going home. We're not
going to play your game. And they have influenced through that.
They have influenced and put in places a lot of
things that our side isn't. You know. We're sitting here
and fighting the good fight, and at some point we're
going to have to get down in the ditches and
fight with them.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And this all this takes a lot of money, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Well, you would think, but I want it.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
We like to do the grassroots thing, but there is
a reality to needing a certain amount of money to
do this type of right.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Biden just put one point two billion dollars of influence
into the states from a federal level, and Mom's Demand
Action is operating on sixty million dollars and we don't
have a Bloomberg. Would love to find a Bloomberg, but
we don't have a Bloomberg to support us and let
us build a team. We have a fantastic vehicle, but
(27:00):
we need a pit crew, we need new tires, and
we need gas money. So that's what you know. I
have other This is kind of a part time gig
for everybody. I have other things to take care of
and this gets a lot of my time because everybody
on my shirt, everybody benefits from the work I do
for free. So it's it works out for everybody that
(27:25):
I do what I do. But yeah, it would be
nice to have a We've got amazing volunteers, but volunteers
or have jobs and families and things like that that
it would be nice to have.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
You see, I was, I did tag along one year
and to see it, it's I mean, it looks to
be an amazing experience. I know you guys have a
lot of fun too. It's not I mean, there's a
lot of work going on, but I mean there's a there's.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
A bond that happened yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I mean you guys are going to different events as well, right.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
No, we just go to different meetings. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We break up into small groups. And if you shoot
at all and you've ever been to competitions, you know,
it's kind of like a squad. So we have squads
of four to six women and different places, usually regionally now.
And I try to be strategic about putting stories, the
right stories into Like if you think a woman can't
(28:20):
protect themselves, I'll stick a woman in there that has
protected themselves. Yeah, and really just create relationships with the
people who support the Second Amendment and then with the
people who, you know, give give a little speed bump
to the people who don't support the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, very good. And they and they can just look
you guys up Women for.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Gun Rights, womenfogun Rights dot org.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Okay, awesome.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah. We need we need people. We need you know,
like I said, it's free to join, so it's a
very low bar. I think in twenty twenty six we're
going to have paid membership, So get in now. And
we need them to follow our social media. You know,
the numbers. It's a numbers game, and it's an optics game.
Everything's an optics game in the world.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
So how many members do you have?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, like, we have about ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
It's pretty good. I don't know if that's I mean,
a million would be better.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
But when you're looking at million, the David and Goliath,
but we just yeah, I look at us as kind
of like three hundred from Thermopolis. Yes, like I feel
like we're you know, we're effective. I hope we have
a different outcome. But a small, a small, but mighty team.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, very good, Yeah, very good.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Well, thanks for being with us, Thanks for having me.
It's pleasure.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
All right, guys, that's it for us. We'll see you
next time on gun Dog Nation.
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