October 29, 2024 • 43 mins
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-- A big win in the courts to restore rights for 18, 19 and 20-years olds. Alan Gottlieb, of the Second Amendment Foundation, explains what it means.
-- He's hunting brown bears in Russia.
-- The .375 H&H rifle cartridge was introduced in 1912, but the .375 Ruger came out in 2007. Which is better?
Gun Talk 11.03.24 Hour 3
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-- A big win in the courts to restore rights for 18, 19 and 20-years olds. Alan Gottlieb, of the Second Amendment Foundation, explains what it means.
-- He's hunting brown bears in Russia.
-- The .375 H&H rifle cartridge was introduced in 1912, but the .375 Ruger came out in 2007. Which is better?
Gun Talk 11.03.24 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey everybody, Tom Gresham here, I'm sorry. I'm not with you. Well,
actually I'm not sorry. I'm not with you because I'm
in deer camp now. We're hunting out in the wilderness area.
But here's the deal. You need to get out and vote.
I don't care where you live. I don't care if
you think it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It does. Voting is not just a responsibility, it is
your duty. So go do it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
About your gun, revolver, semi auto rifle, shotgun doesn't matter.
We'll talking about pretty much anything, how to use it,
what to buy self protection, absolutely, how to get better, frankly,
not just how to hit a target, but how to
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(00:58):
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(01:21):
As we say again, I'm at gun talk over there.
So a lot of things going on in the courts
we're challenging. Oh my gosh, we have dozens and dozens
and dozens of cases going on, and of course one
of the groups that is at the lead of this
is the Second Amendment Foundation. Joining me right now is
the founder of saf Alan got leaving Allen. You just
(01:42):
got some pretty good news out of Pennsylvania, didn't you.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah, it's been a good week for the Second Amenent Foundation, Tom,
and for Second Amendment rights. We want a lawsuit, so
to speak, against Pennsylvania and got a pummary injunction against
two laws. Pennsylvania has one that you'd have to have
a permit to be carry a farm in your car.
That's been enjoined. And the second one is you have
to have a permit to carry a gun, but in
(02:07):
times of emergency. The court said no, you don't have
to have one. So we won that one, knocked that
one out as well. So we've gotten two key victories
in Pennsylvania. However, late in the week the Attorney General
in Pennsylvania fill notice that they're going to appeal, so
we'll be going up on the appeal process.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Well, that's just part of the process.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I mean, you know that on a lot of these
you're going to have to file the suit and maybe
lose or maybe you win.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
But it's just going to keep going.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Up the ladder as the other side keeps appealing or
sometimes we have to appeal to get it to the
court where we get the right decision. I mean those
are good, but I mean this, we keep getting good decisions.
For instance, the eighteen to twenty year olds getting their
gun rice restored.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
That's going on as well.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, we had a big victory the week before I
guess in Minnesota with that and knocked out there law,
and again Minnesota is going to be trying to appeal
that as well. And then this week, of course, we
follow a brief in support of a summer judgment motion
in California to knock out their ten day waiting period,
So that was followed this week as well. We have
now currently about proctically sixty five lawsuits that were engaged
(03:21):
in all the same time all across the country, you know, trying.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
To point out to people how ridiculous this ten day
waiting period is in California. You can all I mean,
they said, well, you know, we need a ten day
waiting period for people to cool off.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
You know, you're buying a gun.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
But it applies even if you already own another dozen guns,
you still have to wait ten days before you buy
your next gun.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, there's no way California, even under the old standards
bruined decision of the Supreme Court, there's no way they
can argue that there's a public interest in doing that.
I mean, it's.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Absurd, it really is.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
So how do you keep track of all of these
lawsuits that you're involved in.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
You know, we have a spreadsheet and we keep track
of it sort.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Of that way.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
There's probably something like about twenty four different attorneys involved
in these roughly sixty five suits we've got going on,
and it's tough because they keep track of their individual
ones as well. But each week, you know, there's motions,
there's briefs you have to file, the oral arguments coming
up in cases, and you know, the people amicus briefs
being followed need to be responded to.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
There is.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
There's just an amazing amount of work to this. You know,
most major law firms in the United States don't have
sixty five active cases going on in the court room
at any given time. They may be engaged in lots
of legal works, but these lawsuits are a different matter
because they have a life of their own, and there's
all kinds of motions and you're at the mercy of
the court, and you know, and and and the defendants
so to speak. That we're suing, filing emotions, trying to
(04:57):
run our clock out and run our costs up. It's
an amazing task.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And with twenty four plus attorneys doing this, I mean,
even if you're getting a good rate, sometimes they're offering
a good rate, it's still very expensive.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
That's a lot of legal fees, yes.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
It is.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
In almost all cases. We don't pay the rate cards,
so to speak. We have a negotiated lower rate. We're
dealing with attorneys that you know, like our business, like
our work, and support Second Amendment rights, you know, and
we've got some donors that help out with some of
these things. But yeah, I think last year it was
something about we just got our orders done. I think
it's something around two from memory, two point eight million
(05:38):
dollars we spent on legal fees last year and that
was a discounted rate.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Holy amazing stuff. What's the process? How do you decide?
Because there are a lot of opportunities to file suits
against various laws and actions and everything else. What goes
into deciding which ones you get involved with? And I
know part of it is kind of a long view
of where's it going to take, you, you know, on the
long run.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Well, I think the thing we look at most of course,
is trying to get rid of the most egregious laws first,
the ones that you know are most horrible to the
Second Amendment rights. And then we also look at ones
that can make case law, that they can be permanent,
it could have an impact on Second Amment rights nationally nationwide.
And then of course we also have to find that
have plaintiffs to be able to do this. So there's
(06:25):
a pretty big search for you know, good sympathetic plaintiffs
to get in these cases. And sometimes one case moves
above another one because we've got the plaintiffs quicker in
that case. Right now, we're looking for plaintiffs in three
different cases that we're getting ready to file that hopefully
will be filed next month.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Okay, and how that's available at saf dot org.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, Well, like not the new cases that we haven't
filed yet, but all the current ones and everything going
on at saf dot org. You can look at our
news releases and our litigation and get all the information,
including links to the briefs.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
All right, I want to switch slightly on you. I've
been talking about the election coming up. We're one hundred
days away from the election right now. When now we
have Kamala Harris almost certainly going to be the candidate
for the Democrats, much worse on the second Amendment front
than Joe Biden, much more of an activist. She has
a heck of a track record, all bad on guns.
(07:20):
But in fact, I had a guy called the show
earlier today. He said, look, I just can't vote for drop.
I don't like his morals. I don't like this, I
don't like that. You know, I'm strong second dent guy.
My position is, look, I really I understand.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
You may not like the man, but the only question
is do you like winning? Do you like what he
can do? Do you like what happens with judges and justices.
Do you like where we are with Brewin And I'm
going to sit back and just let you take that
in terms of what you're doing with these lawsuits and
the importance.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Of the election.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah, well, obviously, if IRUs wins and she's president, we're
not going to get any judges appointed to federal courts
at the lower level, the appeals level, or the Supreme
Court that supports Second Amendment rights. They're going to be
activists against the Second Amendment. They'll try to rewrite and
take it out of the Constitution. There are no two
ways about that. After four years of Biden in the
White House, Harris could technically, if she gets elected, to
(08:21):
slam the courthouse door in our face and wipe us
out from all the litigation we've sees we've got planted.
So that's a very big concern. But it's beyond that too.
You know, it's all the enforcement agencies of the federal government,
how they come after gun owners, bothering your privacy rights,
you know, lots of other things, the industries of whole
trying to put the industry out of business.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
There's a whole lot more that.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Goes into this and so I mean, if you don't
like Trump, my answer is is that hold your nose
and don't vote for Trump. It's not Trump on the ballot,
it's your Second Amendment. It's on the ballot.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So don't vote for Trump, but vote for your rights
and just assume. I'll look, I care what the name is.
I don't care about this guy, but I'm voting from
our rights. There you go, Alan, Look, I appreciate what
you're doing. I appreciate you keep it up up up
to speed on this and congratulations on the wins, especially
getting gun rights and Second Amendment and Constitution rights were
stored for eighteen, nineteen and twenty year olds. We'll keep
(09:19):
pushing on that because that's important.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah, thank you Tom for everything. And again it's saf
dot org.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
There you go, Alan gottlieb b he's the founder, he's
the head of a Secondment foundation. All right, we'll take
a quick break here eight six ' six talk Gun.
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Speaker 2 (11:58):
You remember the screw shooting in Uvalde, Texas where the
cops showed up very quickly, very quick response time, and
then sat around and played Teddley Winks and probably a
couple of hands of poker and called their friends and
neighbors and killed seventy minutes of time while fourth graders
(12:19):
are being murdered.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
A former I'm reading the story here.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
A former Uvalde, Texas school police officer who responded to
the twenty twenty two mass shooting at rob Elementary pleaded
not guilty in court Thursday to charges related to law
enforcement's response. Adrian Gonzalez entered a not guilty plea on
charges of abandoning and failing to protect children. He's one
(12:49):
of two former police officers who've been who faced criminal charges.
The other one is Pete Aradondo. He's the former police
chief for schools and it was also indicted and faces
similar charges. It's a reminder and not that you should
(13:13):
be there to take care of your kids. Respond for
the arm response. I understand that's not really an option,
but it is a reminder to all of us the
government will not protect you, and well it will protect
you at the same level it protected former President Donald Trump,
(13:33):
allowing him to be shot. Secret Service supposedly the best
in the world at this they were either grossly incompetent
or somebody decided to let him get shot. And that's
really where we are. There's no other choices that they
or be there.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
We do have the ballistic experts on the internet. You
were telling us that he didn't really get shot because
if a bullet had passed that close to his ear
would blown his head off even though it missed him.
Because the Air fifteen is so massively powerful. Of course,
this twenty two caliber bullet, and then the one I
really liked was the one on X and I had
(14:17):
to call him on it, who says, well, you know
the thing about the Air fifteen, It starts off so
fast that even if it's two hundred three hundred yards
down range, the bullet doesn't slow down at all when
it's three hundred yards, which really doesn't have anything to
do with President Trump being shot, but I did have
(14:37):
to point out that there's this thing called physics, and
air is a medium through which you must fire a bullet.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
It's not as thick as water, but it's like water.
It is fluid, it has density. It does slow a
bullet down, as anybody can tell by looking up ballistic
charts anywhere. But boy, the ballistic experts have popped up everywhere.
And look, I'm not going to go into that how
many shooters were there, their recordings and the idea, YadA YadA,
(15:09):
because it's one of those circles to drain things. You
just get end up getting nowhere with it, so don't.
I don't really know how to respond to some of
that other than to say, you know, how about no,
we're just not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
So i'd rather think in terms of, well, the things
I haven't been able to do recently. I haven't been
able to get to the range. We had a medical
thing happened with my wife, broke her femur a few
weeks ago, and I've been having to take care of her.
So my summer kind of got shot. And that's okay,
that's what you do in your family, you take care
of each other. But I haven't been to the range
(15:45):
and it's bugging me because I've got my new deer
Slash elk rifle that I got for this season. I
worked up two different loads for it, very promising, and
my plan was to spend all summer tinkering and tweaking
and shooting and loading. And it was really bugging me
(16:07):
and bumming me out. I was thinking, man, I have
got I haven't worked up my loads.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And then I stopped and went, wait, wait a minute.
When you went out to the range and you worked
up your loads the very first time you went out,
and I've only been out with it really one time.
This is my two eighty four Winchester that shoots a
true two eighty four Winchester cartridge. The rifle was made
by ultra light arms. So it's a five pound rifle
without scope, and I was shooting one hundred and fifty
(16:34):
grain na ballistic tips. Might or might not use those
for hunting. I might go to the accubons. I might
even go to I don't know, something else I don't
know yet. But I was sitting there thinking, man, you
haven't been able to work up your loads and get
exactly what you want.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, but I had two different loads.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
With this gun, used one hundred and fifty grain nausea
ballistic tips, and both of these loads shot into three
quarters of an inch at one hundred yards and with
one hundred and fifty grain seven millimeters bullet. I was
pushing well either side of right at twenty nine to
fifty feet per second, so twy nine hundred and fifty
(17:18):
feet per second with one hundred and fifty grain bullet
and shooting three quarters of an inch group one hundred
an inch group.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I had a little talk with myself of self, you
could go hunting with that.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
All I would want to do is probably switch out
to maybe a bullet that holds together a little tougher
for elk. Although there's nothing wrong with the ballistic tip
hunting bullets from Nozzler.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Might want to try some Barnes bullets.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
In there, because I really like the way Barnes bullets
perform on game. I haven't had a chance to do
that yet, so that's one thing I'd like to try.
Maybe the one hundred and thirty nine or one hundred
and forty five grain LRX Bulletst'll have a little hire
Ballistic Coefficient servan. That's kind of where my summer has
been going. And I just wanted are you working on
(18:07):
any particular loads or you're doing anything to get ready
for hunting season?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Let me know.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Eight sixty six Talk gun Let's grab Richard online four
out of North Carolina. Hey Richard, you're on gun Talk.
What's on your mind?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Sir?
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Oh? I had lessen than twenty four a few years
my little Warrne from the sixties. My first glant had
any kind of combat? Was it a Dominican Republic and
I was off a heavy cruiser in the marine detachment
(18:43):
that I was a green By and we had m
One's car beings, Thompsons and air cooled thirty caliber. We
looked like World War Two all over again. And we
made a lightning l c e P on the beach
(19:05):
there behind the University of Santa Domingo. And uh, I
can laugh at it now, but I was scared to death.
Yeah the first first, you know, the first time in
the first year at the cors and uh they uh
(19:26):
volunteered our seventy five persons detachment to help the second Marines,
UH fortify their defense.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Richard, Richard, I hate to do this, but I am
going to run out of time, and I know you
got a point to make about Trump, so I'm gonna
let you get right to it, if you would please.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Yes, sir. Uh. You know Trump is an a personality,
and a lot of people don't know how to deal
with a personality, uh as they are a different person altogether.
Speaker 12 (20:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
I don't like what he said, don't time.
Speaker 12 (20:08):
And I know he's.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
A man that loves this country because for the four
years he was president, he was taught he was trying
to be kicked out and harassed the whole four years
with the Democratic Party, and they failed, and they almost
didn't fail this time. I feel like with the two
(20:35):
weeks ago in Pennsylvania. But the man made us in
order distributor to the world. He made us the best
of economy we've ever had ever, and we could live
(20:56):
within our means without scrimping and not going anywhere and
not doing anything.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Well.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And I agree with you on all of those things.
And he also was good for military, certainly, not great,
but pretty good for gun rights certainly.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Well, let me back that up.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Great when it comes to our judges and justices, which
are as where it really counts. And Richard, I appreciate
the call, sir. Yeah, A lot of people can't handle that.
He's very forceful, he's very opinionated, he's totally narcissistic. I
get all that, but I did like Alan's Guylan Gotliebs
(21:41):
the way of putting. He says, Look, if you just
say I can't vote for Trump, great, don't vote for him,
vote for the policies, vote for your gun rights, vote
for your country, vote for the judges and the justices,
vote for the courts.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Don't worry about him.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
And if you say I just can't listen to him,
then don't You don't have to listen to You can
turn it off. But on the question is can you
possibly vote for Harris Vice president Kamala Harris to become
president Kamala Harris, or as I call her, Kakala Harris,
(22:16):
who we really want four years of that leaf and
her policies totally anti gun attal tire. Hey, welcome back.
This is gun talk. I'm Tom Gresham, but I'm not
here right now. I'm out in the wilderness area hunting deer.
(22:39):
But in the meantime, you're only a couple of days
away from the election. You got to get out there
and vote. I'm counting on you.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Hey. The gun company.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Voodoo Gun Works, that make terrific twenty two rim fire
rifles for competition, also make some really interesting nineteen elevens. Anyway,
they were just bought, got a new owner, and they've
got a new ce Jacob Herman, So that's been in
the works for a while. I knew it was that,
you didn't know what it was going to happen, So
(23:08):
just kind of a little heads up on that. I'm
not sure if that's going to make any difference in
terms of product or production or anything else, but they
sure make interesting guns, and the way they make their
ninety elevens is different from anything I've ever seen. I
haven't shot one, but they sure look good. And who
knows at one point, I may be able to get
my hands on one of those as well. All right,
(23:30):
eight six six talk gun. Let's see George is with
us out of Colorado. Hey, George, I understand you're going hunting.
Speaker 12 (23:37):
Well, I'm going to sure give it a good shot.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Where are you going?
Speaker 12 (23:41):
I'm going to go hunting for brown bear and I'm
going to go this spring, and I just wanted your
thoughts on a three seventy five H and H for bear.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Now do I see that you're going to Russia? Yes?
All right, they got a lot of brown bears there,
Yes they do.
Speaker 12 (24:00):
M Chatka actually is where I'm going to go.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Excellent. So do you have a three seven five AH
and H Now?
Speaker 12 (24:06):
No, but I'm right now I'm sourcing one because I
thought that would be a good caliber for it. And
so what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Well?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I love the three seven five h and H Cartridge
just introduced in nineteen twelve, really the first belted magnum,
and it simply does everything very well. But I have
a couple of questions for you. Okay, okay, what do
you shoot? What's your big board that you shoot? Now?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
What was your biggest caliber you regularly shoot?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Or hot with.
Speaker 12 (24:41):
Three Winchester. Okay, that's that's nearly what I was. But
out here in Colorado, I've had a lot of elk,
and my favorite elk gun is my two sixty four Mac.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Sweet.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Okay, if you're used to shoot the three hundred mag,
you're going to find the three seven five h and
hs to have a a little more push but a
lot less smack. And that is the velocity of the
three hundred win mag makes the rifle come back and
hit you with a pretty firm smack, kind of a
Joe Fraser punch versus a really strong shove out of
(25:18):
a three seven five eh and h. I I would
rather shoot three seven fives than three hundred Winchesters at
the range, honestly, So I think you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Love it here. Do you know what bullet you'd want
to be taken?
Speaker 12 (25:33):
Well, I'm thinking of views in the two hundred and
fifty grain. And so I have to go to my
source for reloading. Well, it's not really my source for reloading,
but since I'm not loaded for that three seventy five,
I'm going to rely on ken Waters petloads.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Good old ken Waters pet loads.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
We used to publish those in Handloader magazine when I
was the editor of that magazine exillion years ago.
Speaker 12 (26:00):
I mean, he's done a great job with that, and
I mean I think it's a it's a it's a
great source.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
And now it is. So let me stop you on
the reloading though.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Remember that it's been a long time since Ken's done
pet loads, and we have a lot of new powders
out now that are quite frankly, in many cases, significantly better.
They're more temperature insensitive than some of the old powders.
It would be worth it. I would suggest to go
take a look at the Hodgston website and take a
(26:33):
look at the powders that they have and there and see,
and you know, you could compare and contrast and just see.
Not that they're going to be a whole lot different
from Ken's loads, but I would look at some of
the more modern powders as well.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Okay, I wanted to get that out there. Let's talk
about rifle.
Speaker 12 (26:47):
What are you thinking I'm going to because I've I
used to reload a lot. So but anyway, the rife
one sourcing you'll find interesting is I'm on, I'm actually
talking to a couple of people. Now I'm going to
buy Coled Sawyer. That's going to be the right one.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Now, is this the old one with the locking lugs
that pop.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Out of the bolt?
Speaker 12 (27:09):
Yes, which is sort of a concern for me, but
if it works at works.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
So my dad had one of those in three, seven, five,
age and eight. Interestingly enough, it's a weird configuration. I
mean you know how it works for those who don't.
It's a slick bolt with no lugs on it, and
then when you cam it down to handle down, you
got three, as I remember, three lugs.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
That pop out of the sides of the bolt to
lock it up. Is that describe it correctly?
Speaker 12 (27:42):
Correct? They're sort of like the old seven eighty eight
Remington's where they locked in the rear only.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, but the seven eighty eight those were not movable lugs.
Those were solid lugs at the rear, which gave it
a very accurate design and a slick bolt.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
But you've got.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
A and I'm just going to express it here and
it may not be founded, but are well founded. But
for me, I would be concerned because now you've got
a mechanical thing that these lugs have to spring out
and engage, versus an old style bolt where the lugs
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are just welded on and you don't need a mechanical
action for them to pop out and engage.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And you're going to be in the middle.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Of nowhere as far as getting anything worked on, and
you're going to be shooting things where you're not the
top of the food chain.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
So I'm just offering those thoughts.
Speaker 12 (28:41):
I know I'm going to take a second rifle with me, so.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Go, okay, I like the way you think.
Speaker 12 (28:47):
I'm going to take a up.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Back up there you go.
Speaker 12 (28:50):
But anyway, so I would just want to hear that
three seventy five I think would do the job.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh it's a great gun. It may be the very
best round bear gun out there.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
It's shootable.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Not that I would take a long shot at a
bear or my first shot, but if you ended up
needing to hit something to two hundred and fifty yards,
it will certainly do it, and the Cartes is up
to it with good bullets. I would definitely go with
a two hundred and fifty or heavier bullet to get
as much penetration as you can and then get a
chance to shoot it as much as you can before
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you go out there. You're gonna have a great time
after you go, and after you get your bear. Give
us a call and tell us how it worked out,
would you please?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I sure think very good.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Thanks for the call. Starting good hunting. That sounds like
a great trip. All right, eight six six talk gun?
What are you getting ready for? It's that time, you know,
hunting seasons are coming right up.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
In some states.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You'll be hunting next month and certainly by September. I'm
trying to get ready as best I can.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
What are you going to be hunting?
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Speaker 2 (32:14):
Hey, let's go straight to the phones online. One I
got David out of Palmer. I'll ask, hey, David, you're
on gun Talk.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
What's up?
Speaker 12 (32:20):
Oh Tom?
Speaker 7 (32:21):
I just wanted to touch base a little bit on
the three seventy five Ruger. I've been shooting that since
they came out, and mine is a tony inch barrel,
stainless Alaskan with the Hoak stock, and that rifle has
proven to be just steadfast in every way. Last season,
(32:45):
I got a moose head on at less than one
hundred yards and I got to watch the Oh, he
took the he took everything, and it literally tipped him over.
And also that thing has longer legs than what you
might say, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
But I was gonna say, I would say, yeah, that's
a two hundred and fifty even a three hundred yard cartridge.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
If you know the trajectory at all.
Speaker 12 (33:12):
Oh absolutely yeah. And you know, even for something like
a wolf even out further, the trajectory is very uh
predictable with that.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
And you've got a lot of good ammo available on
And we're talking for those who didn't catch it. We're
talking to three seventy five Ruger, not the three seventy
five eight and h. This was brought out in two
thousand and seven accommodation between Ruger and Hornity.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
A lot of good.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Ammo out there, anything from a two hundred and fifty
grain up to three hundred grain. You got some barns, bullets, loads,
and just it is just a really it's a shorter
cartridge you can shoot in a standard action rifle, and
yet it still has four percent more case BYU than
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the three seven five h and.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
H it does, and the the Hawkeye. It has a
control round feed, so if you find yourself upside down
trying to rack around and you can do it, the
round will not.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
Fall out.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And have you shot it? Bear with it.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
I've shot caribou, black bear, and the problem with the
three seven five Ruger is the follow up shots and
the first artifle I read about that they touched on
that that they were not able to do follow up
shots because everything died right away.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
So it's not that you can't shoot it is at
the time. It's that the animal is already dead.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
Well, yeah, it's not. It's just a yeah, right. I
wanted to quickly on Denver the filla that morally cannot
vote for Trump next time. Somebody offers that to you,
maybe you can offer so you support the entities that
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want to take my gun.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Well, yeah, there's nothing about this.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
The whole idea of is Trump im moral, which is
like it's like saying, well, I'm more moral. I mean,
I'm not morally superior to anybody that I'm aware of,
But the idea that's saying I'm going to support what
I would consider to be immorl policies of Harris and
the Democrats im moral on every level. Of using the
(35:43):
government to wage war against its own citizens, that would
be immral in my view. Of taking guns away from
people to need them to protect themselves, that's im moral
in my view. I don't That just doesn't compute to me.
It's like, you got to be grown up and be
able to hold your nose and vote for your rights
and not worry about the name on the on the ballot.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
That's right.
Speaker 12 (36:06):
Yeah, you got to drop your person, pull up those
fannies and get to understand what's what is really going on?
Speaker 7 (36:14):
And yeah, here you be outfall.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Thank you much, thank you, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I had to have a chance to talk about the
three seven five ruger much it's also I would let
me tell you how good this cartridge is. I was
at the FTW Ranch where you do long range shooting,
and we had three seven five Ruger rifles, which is
a stupid thing to do. Okay, I mean, come on,
long range shooting with this. We're hitting steel in a
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screaming wind. I'm talking twenty gusting to thirty five mile
an hour crosswinds, really hard to figure it out. And
we're banging steel out to five hundred yards with what
are basically bear cartridge is or even you could call
it elephant carters if you wanted to, and shooting them
(37:05):
for quite a while. The recoid wasn't that bad, and
it's accurate. It shoots really well. You can get it
in a standard action rifle. And I actually know people
who like the three seven five caliber diameter bullet for
hunting elk. And I know people say, well, that's more
(37:27):
than you need for elk. Yes, but there's nothing wrong
with putting the down first shot and not having to
worry about what happens afterwards. And also particularly if you say, okay,
I'm not going to be an eight hundred yard elk shooter,
and a lot of us are not my choice. If
that's your thing, that's your thing, it's not mine. I'm
a four hundred yard in end. Would I shoot an
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elk at fourty yards with three seven five? Yes, I would, absolutely,
particularly with the scopes we have now, and it's easy
to do the range finding. You know exactly where it's
going to hit, and the energy is still considerable out there.
There's nothing wrong with making a big hole. Where they're
saying boxing, a good big man will beat a good
smaller man every time, and that's certainly true in this case.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
So the three seventy five.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Ruger in a standard link action, and he mentioned that
the Ruger Hawkeye rifle has control round feed. That's kind
of a cool feature. I've always liked that action, that
Ruger Hawkeye or Model seventy seven, which was the precursor
to the Hawkeye, if you will, and now it's available,
(38:36):
by the way, you might go take a look real
quickly at the Ruger website. They have some limited runs
in the Hawkeye. In limited runs in different calibers, they
pop up and they're there and then they're gone, And
a lot of times they're sold through only like one distributors,
a special distributor only deal. But it's worth going to
Ruger dot com and seeing what's available, like go back
(38:58):
monthly just to see what are these guys done this time?
What do they have available in a limited run for
particular cartridge. So it's kind of cool stuff out there.
Eight six six Talk guy will get you in here.
I'm Tom Gresham and this is gun talk back with you.
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Let's go to the phones. Rick's with us out of Spokane, Washington.
Hey Rick, what's on your mind?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Sir?
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Well? I want to t talk about a new gun
I got and one I got inbound.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Okay, sounds good. I got a couple of minutes to
go for it.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Well, the first one I got was a Ruger single
six and thirty two hn R an old blued one.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Huh cool.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
And second one is a Freedom Arms in three twenty
seven Federal Magnum, a premium.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Okay, that's interesting. Most people when they're getting the Freedom
Arms they're getting a four to fifty four casule or
forty five. Why did you go with the three twenty.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
Seven because I already had all the other ones?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Okay, now officially hate you, okay, because I love that revolver.
They are making some of the Well, they're just unbelievable.
How good the revolvers are.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
I've already got three of them forty one mags, So
that's why I didn't need another one.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Holy cash, So how's the three step three twenty seven? Shoot?
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Don't know?
Speaker 6 (40:23):
You know? I can't pick it up for another week.
Our law is protecting us from ourselves. I can't pick
it up for another week.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
So oh, good lord, where is it cause I can
pick it up. I don't live in Washington.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Sure, sure, go ahead, I'll pick up. You can come
visit your gun. How's that?
Speaker 6 (40:40):
I'll come out of business tonight, Idaho next time I'm
over there in your Moscow. How's that sounds?
Speaker 5 (40:44):
There?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
You go?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
That sounds like a plan. So what do you do
with these free of my arm revolvers? Do you just
cheat them for fun? Are you hunt with them?
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (40:52):
I got to call you for that idea.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I don't know you.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
I just look good and wanted them and said, okay,
let's buy them.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Right, Yeah, that's a good enough reason for me.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
They well, they're spectacularly accurate, as they say the old
phrase a close up like a bank vault. You know,
they're just as solid as they can be. But they
really are amazingly accurate revolvers. I mean, and look, they're expensive.
We get that. They're you know, rugers make good guns
and these are three times as expensive, and that's just
(41:22):
what it is. But you'll never be sorry that you've
got a free your arms revolvers. So good on you.
I appreciate that. All right, thank you for the call, Rick,
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So a lot of things going on in the courts
we're challenging. Oh my gosh, we have dozens and dozens
and dozens of cases going on, and of course one
of the groups that is at the lead of this
is the Second Amendment Foundation. Joining me right now is
the founder of saf Alan got leaving Allen. You just
(01:42):
got some pretty good news out of Pennsylvania, didn't you.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah, it's been a good week for the Second Amenent Foundation, Tom,
and for Second Amendment rights. We want a lawsuit, so
to speak, against Pennsylvania and got a pummary injunction against
two laws. Pennsylvania has one that you'd have to have
a permit to be carry a farm in your car.
That's been enjoined. And the second one is you have
to have a permit to carry a gun, but in
(02:07):
times of emergency. The court said no, you don't have
to have one. So we won that one, knocked that
one out as well. So we've gotten two key victories
in Pennsylvania. However, late in the week the Attorney General
in Pennsylvania fill notice that they're going to appeal, so
we'll be going up on the appeal process.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Well, that's just part of the process.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I mean, you know that on a lot of these
you're going to have to file the suit and maybe
lose or maybe you win.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
But it's just going to keep going.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Up the ladder as the other side keeps appealing or
sometimes we have to appeal to get it to the
court where we get the right decision. I mean those
are good, but I mean this, we keep getting good decisions.
For instance, the eighteen to twenty year olds getting their
gun rice restored.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
That's going on as well.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, we had a big victory the week before I
guess in Minnesota with that and knocked out there law,
and again Minnesota is going to be trying to appeal
that as well. And then this week, of course, we
follow a brief in support of a summer judgment motion
in California to knock out their ten day waiting period,
So that was followed this week as well. We have
now currently about proctically sixty five lawsuits that were engaged
(03:21):
in all the same time all across the country, you know, trying.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
To point out to people how ridiculous this ten day
waiting period is in California. You can all I mean,
they said, well, you know, we need a ten day
waiting period for people to cool off.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
You know, you're buying a gun.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
But it applies even if you already own another dozen guns,
you still have to wait ten days before you buy
your next gun.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, there's no way California, even under the old standards
bruined decision of the Supreme Court, there's no way they
can argue that there's a public interest in doing that.
I mean, it's.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Absurd, it really is.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
So how do you keep track of all of these
lawsuits that you're involved in.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
You know, we have a spreadsheet and we keep track
of it sort.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Of that way.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
There's probably something like about twenty four different attorneys involved
in these roughly sixty five suits we've got going on,
and it's tough because they keep track of their individual
ones as well. But each week, you know, there's motions,
there's briefs you have to file, the oral arguments coming
up in cases, and you know, the people amicus briefs
being followed need to be responded to.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
There is.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
There's just an amazing amount of work to this. You know,
most major law firms in the United States don't have
sixty five active cases going on in the court room
at any given time. They may be engaged in lots
of legal works, but these lawsuits are a different matter
because they have a life of their own, and there's
all kinds of motions and you're at the mercy of
the court, and you know, and and and the defendants
so to speak. That we're suing, filing emotions, trying to
(04:57):
run our clock out and run our costs up. It's
an amazing task.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And with twenty four plus attorneys doing this, I mean,
even if you're getting a good rate, sometimes they're offering
a good rate, it's still very expensive.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
That's a lot of legal fees, yes.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
It is.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
In almost all cases. We don't pay the rate cards,
so to speak. We have a negotiated lower rate. We're
dealing with attorneys that you know, like our business, like
our work, and support Second Amendment rights, you know, and
we've got some donors that help out with some of
these things. But yeah, I think last year it was
something about we just got our orders done. I think
it's something around two from memory, two point eight million
(05:38):
dollars we spent on legal fees last year and that
was a discounted rate.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Holy amazing stuff. What's the process? How do you decide?
Because there are a lot of opportunities to file suits
against various laws and actions and everything else. What goes
into deciding which ones you get involved with? And I
know part of it is kind of a long view
of where's it going to take, you, you know, on the
long run.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Well, I think the thing we look at most of course,
is trying to get rid of the most egregious laws first,
the ones that you know are most horrible to the
Second Amendment rights. And then we also look at ones
that can make case law, that they can be permanent,
it could have an impact on Second Amment rights nationally nationwide.
And then of course we also have to find that
have plaintiffs to be able to do this. So there's
(06:25):
a pretty big search for you know, good sympathetic plaintiffs
to get in these cases. And sometimes one case moves
above another one because we've got the plaintiffs quicker in
that case. Right now, we're looking for plaintiffs in three
different cases that we're getting ready to file that hopefully
will be filed next month.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Okay, and how that's available at saf dot org.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, Well, like not the new cases that we haven't
filed yet, but all the current ones and everything going
on at saf dot org. You can look at our
news releases and our litigation and get all the information,
including links to the briefs.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
All right, I want to switch slightly on you. I've
been talking about the election coming up. We're one hundred
days away from the election right now. When now we
have Kamala Harris almost certainly going to be the candidate
for the Democrats, much worse on the second Amendment front
than Joe Biden, much more of an activist. She has
a heck of a track record, all bad on guns.
(07:20):
But in fact, I had a guy called the show
earlier today. He said, look, I just can't vote for drop.
I don't like his morals. I don't like this, I
don't like that. You know, I'm strong second dent guy.
My position is, look, I really I understand.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
You may not like the man, but the only question
is do you like winning? Do you like what he
can do? Do you like what happens with judges and justices.
Do you like where we are with Brewin And I'm
going to sit back and just let you take that
in terms of what you're doing with these lawsuits and
the importance.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Of the election.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah, well, obviously, if IRUs wins and she's president, we're
not going to get any judges appointed to federal courts
at the lower level, the appeals level, or the Supreme
Court that supports Second Amendment rights. They're going to be
activists against the Second Amendment. They'll try to rewrite and
take it out of the Constitution. There are no two
ways about that. After four years of Biden in the
White House, Harris could technically, if she gets elected, to
(08:21):
slam the courthouse door in our face and wipe us
out from all the litigation we've sees we've got planted.
So that's a very big concern. But it's beyond that too.
You know, it's all the enforcement agencies of the federal government,
how they come after gun owners, bothering your privacy rights,
you know, lots of other things, the industries of whole
trying to put the industry out of business.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
There's a whole lot more that.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Goes into this and so I mean, if you don't
like Trump, my answer is is that hold your nose
and don't vote for Trump. It's not Trump on the ballot,
it's your Second Amendment. It's on the ballot.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So don't vote for Trump, but vote for your rights
and just assume. I'll look, I care what the name is.
I don't care about this guy, but I'm voting from
our rights. There you go, Alan, Look, I appreciate what
you're doing. I appreciate you keep it up up up
to speed on this and congratulations on the wins, especially
getting gun rights and Second Amendment and Constitution rights were
stored for eighteen, nineteen and twenty year olds. We'll keep
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pushing on that because that's important.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah, thank you Tom for everything. And again it's saf
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Speaker 2 (09:26):
There you go, Alan gottlieb b he's the founder, he's
the head of a Secondment foundation. All right, we'll take
a quick break here eight six ' six talk Gun.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
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Speaker 2 (11:58):
You remember the screw shooting in Uvalde, Texas where the
cops showed up very quickly, very quick response time, and
then sat around and played Teddley Winks and probably a
couple of hands of poker and called their friends and
neighbors and killed seventy minutes of time while fourth graders
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are being murdered.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
A former I'm reading the story here.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
A former Uvalde, Texas school police officer who responded to
the twenty twenty two mass shooting at rob Elementary pleaded
not guilty in court Thursday to charges related to law
enforcement's response. Adrian Gonzalez entered a not guilty plea on
charges of abandoning and failing to protect children. He's one
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of two former police officers who've been who faced criminal charges.
The other one is Pete Aradondo. He's the former police
chief for schools and it was also indicted and faces
similar charges. It's a reminder and not that you should
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be there to take care of your kids. Respond for
the arm response. I understand that's not really an option,
but it is a reminder to all of us the
government will not protect you, and well it will protect
you at the same level it protected former President Donald Trump,
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allowing him to be shot. Secret Service supposedly the best
in the world at this they were either grossly incompetent
or somebody decided to let him get shot. And that's
really where we are. There's no other choices that they
or be there.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
We do have the ballistic experts on the internet. You
were telling us that he didn't really get shot because
if a bullet had passed that close to his ear
would blown his head off even though it missed him.
Because the Air fifteen is so massively powerful. Of course,
this twenty two caliber bullet, and then the one I
really liked was the one on X and I had
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to call him on it, who says, well, you know
the thing about the Air fifteen, It starts off so
fast that even if it's two hundred three hundred yards
down range, the bullet doesn't slow down at all when
it's three hundred yards, which really doesn't have anything to
do with President Trump being shot, but I did have
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to point out that there's this thing called physics, and
air is a medium through which you must fire a bullet.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
It's not as thick as water, but it's like water.
It is fluid, it has density. It does slow a
bullet down, as anybody can tell by looking up ballistic
charts anywhere. But boy, the ballistic experts have popped up everywhere.
And look, I'm not going to go into that how
many shooters were there, their recordings and the idea, YadA YadA,
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because it's one of those circles to drain things. You
just get end up getting nowhere with it, so don't.
I don't really know how to respond to some of
that other than to say, you know, how about no,
we're just not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
So i'd rather think in terms of, well, the things
I haven't been able to do recently. I haven't been
able to get to the range. We had a medical
thing happened with my wife, broke her femur a few
weeks ago, and I've been having to take care of her.
So my summer kind of got shot. And that's okay,
that's what you do in your family, you take care
of each other. But I haven't been to the range
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and it's bugging me because I've got my new deer
Slash elk rifle that I got for this season. I
worked up two different loads for it, very promising, and
my plan was to spend all summer tinkering and tweaking
and shooting and loading. And it was really bugging me
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and bumming me out. I was thinking, man, I have
got I haven't worked up my loads.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And then I stopped and went, wait, wait a minute.
When you went out to the range and you worked
up your loads the very first time you went out,
and I've only been out with it really one time.
This is my two eighty four Winchester that shoots a
true two eighty four Winchester cartridge. The rifle was made
by ultra light arms. So it's a five pound rifle
without scope, and I was shooting one hundred and fifty
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grain na ballistic tips. Might or might not use those
for hunting. I might go to the accubons. I might
even go to I don't know, something else I don't
know yet. But I was sitting there thinking, man, you
haven't been able to work up your loads and get
exactly what you want.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, but I had two different loads.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
With this gun, used one hundred and fifty grain nausea
ballistic tips, and both of these loads shot into three
quarters of an inch at one hundred yards and with
one hundred and fifty grain seven millimeters bullet. I was
pushing well either side of right at twenty nine to
fifty feet per second, so twy nine hundred and fifty
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feet per second with one hundred and fifty grain bullet
and shooting three quarters of an inch group one hundred
an inch group.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I had a little talk with myself of self, you
could go hunting with that.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
All I would want to do is probably switch out
to maybe a bullet that holds together a little tougher
for elk. Although there's nothing wrong with the ballistic tip
hunting bullets from Nozzler.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Might want to try some Barnes bullets.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
In there, because I really like the way Barnes bullets
perform on game. I haven't had a chance to do
that yet, so that's one thing I'd like to try.
Maybe the one hundred and thirty nine or one hundred
and forty five grain LRX Bulletst'll have a little hire
Ballistic Coefficient servan. That's kind of where my summer has
been going. And I just wanted are you working on
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any particular loads or you're doing anything to get ready
for hunting season?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Let me know.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Eight sixty six Talk gun Let's grab Richard online four
out of North Carolina. Hey Richard, you're on gun Talk.
What's on your mind?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Sir?
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Oh? I had lessen than twenty four a few years
my little Warrne from the sixties. My first glant had
any kind of combat? Was it a Dominican Republic and
I was off a heavy cruiser in the marine detachment
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that I was a green By and we had m
One's car beings, Thompsons and air cooled thirty caliber. We
looked like World War Two all over again. And we
made a lightning l c e P on the beach
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there behind the University of Santa Domingo. And uh, I
can laugh at it now, but I was scared to death.
Yeah the first first, you know, the first time in
the first year at the cors and uh they uh
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volunteered our seventy five persons detachment to help the second Marines,
UH fortify their defense.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Richard, Richard, I hate to do this, but I am
going to run out of time, and I know you
got a point to make about Trump, so I'm gonna
let you get right to it, if you would please.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Yes, sir. Uh. You know Trump is an a personality,
and a lot of people don't know how to deal
with a personality, uh as they are a different person altogether.
Speaker 12 (20:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
I don't like what he said, don't time.
Speaker 12 (20:08):
And I know he's.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
A man that loves this country because for the four
years he was president, he was taught he was trying
to be kicked out and harassed the whole four years
with the Democratic Party, and they failed, and they almost
didn't fail this time. I feel like with the two
(20:35):
weeks ago in Pennsylvania. But the man made us in
order distributor to the world. He made us the best
of economy we've ever had ever, and we could live
(20:56):
within our means without scrimping and not going anywhere and
not doing anything.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Well.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And I agree with you on all of those things.
And he also was good for military, certainly, not great,
but pretty good for gun rights certainly.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Well, let me back that up.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Great when it comes to our judges and justices, which
are as where it really counts. And Richard, I appreciate
the call, sir. Yeah, A lot of people can't handle that.
He's very forceful, he's very opinionated, he's totally narcissistic. I
get all that, but I did like Alan's Guylan Gotliebs
(21:41):
the way of putting. He says, Look, if you just
say I can't vote for Trump, great, don't vote for him,
vote for the policies, vote for your gun rights, vote
for your country, vote for the judges and the justices,
vote for the courts.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Don't worry about him.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
And if you say I just can't listen to him,
then don't You don't have to listen to You can
turn it off. But on the question is can you
possibly vote for Harris Vice president Kamala Harris to become
president Kamala Harris, or as I call her, Kakala Harris,
(22:16):
who we really want four years of that leaf and
her policies totally anti gun attal tire. Hey, welcome back.
This is gun talk. I'm Tom Gresham, but I'm not
here right now. I'm out in the wilderness area hunting deer.
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But in the meantime, you're only a couple of days
away from the election. You got to get out there
and vote. I'm counting on you.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Hey. The gun company.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Voodoo Gun Works, that make terrific twenty two rim fire
rifles for competition, also make some really interesting nineteen elevens. Anyway,
they were just bought, got a new owner, and they've
got a new ce Jacob Herman, So that's been in
the works for a while. I knew it was that,
you didn't know what it was going to happen, So
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just kind of a little heads up on that. I'm
not sure if that's going to make any difference in
terms of product or production or anything else, but they
sure make interesting guns, and the way they make their
ninety elevens is different from anything I've ever seen. I
haven't shot one, but they sure look good. And who
knows at one point, I may be able to get
my hands on one of those as well. All right,
(23:30):
eight six six talk gun. Let's see George is with
us out of Colorado. Hey, George, I understand you're going hunting.
Speaker 12 (23:37):
Well, I'm going to sure give it a good shot.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Where are you going?
Speaker 12 (23:41):
I'm going to go hunting for brown bear and I'm
going to go this spring, and I just wanted your
thoughts on a three seventy five H and H for bear.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Now do I see that you're going to Russia? Yes?
All right, they got a lot of brown bears there,
Yes they do.
Speaker 12 (24:00):
M Chatka actually is where I'm going to go.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Excellent. So do you have a three seven five AH
and H Now?
Speaker 12 (24:06):
No, but I'm right now I'm sourcing one because I
thought that would be a good caliber for it. And
so what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Well?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I love the three seven five h and H Cartridge
just introduced in nineteen twelve, really the first belted magnum,
and it simply does everything very well. But I have
a couple of questions for you. Okay, okay, what do
you shoot? What's your big board that you shoot? Now?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
What was your biggest caliber you regularly shoot?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Or hot with.
Speaker 12 (24:41):
Three Winchester. Okay, that's that's nearly what I was. But
out here in Colorado, I've had a lot of elk,
and my favorite elk gun is my two sixty four Mac.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Sweet.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Okay, if you're used to shoot the three hundred mag,
you're going to find the three seven five h and
hs to have a a little more push but a
lot less smack. And that is the velocity of the
three hundred win mag makes the rifle come back and
hit you with a pretty firm smack, kind of a
Joe Fraser punch versus a really strong shove out of
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a three seven five eh and h. I I would
rather shoot three seven fives than three hundred Winchesters at
the range, honestly, So I think you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Love it here. Do you know what bullet you'd want
to be taken?
Speaker 12 (25:33):
Well, I'm thinking of views in the two hundred and
fifty grain. And so I have to go to my
source for reloading. Well, it's not really my source for reloading,
but since I'm not loaded for that three seventy five,
I'm going to rely on ken Waters petloads.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Good old ken Waters pet loads.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
We used to publish those in Handloader magazine when I
was the editor of that magazine exillion years ago.
Speaker 12 (26:00):
I mean, he's done a great job with that, and
I mean I think it's a it's a it's a
great source.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
And now it is. So let me stop you on
the reloading though.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Remember that it's been a long time since Ken's done
pet loads, and we have a lot of new powders
out now that are quite frankly, in many cases, significantly better.
They're more temperature insensitive than some of the old powders.
It would be worth it. I would suggest to go
take a look at the Hodgston website and take a
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look at the powders that they have and there and see,
and you know, you could compare and contrast and just see.
Not that they're going to be a whole lot different
from Ken's loads, but I would look at some of
the more modern powders as well.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Okay, I wanted to get that out there. Let's talk
about rifle.
Speaker 12 (26:47):
What are you thinking I'm going to because I've I
used to reload a lot. So but anyway, the rife
one sourcing you'll find interesting is I'm on, I'm actually
talking to a couple of people. Now I'm going to
buy Coled Sawyer. That's going to be the right one.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Now, is this the old one with the locking lugs
that pop.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Out of the bolt?
Speaker 12 (27:09):
Yes, which is sort of a concern for me, but
if it works at works.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
So my dad had one of those in three, seven, five,
age and eight. Interestingly enough, it's a weird configuration. I
mean you know how it works for those who don't.
It's a slick bolt with no lugs on it, and
then when you cam it down to handle down, you
got three, as I remember, three lugs.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
That pop out of the sides of the bolt to
lock it up. Is that describe it correctly?
Speaker 12 (27:42):
Correct? They're sort of like the old seven eighty eight
Remington's where they locked in the rear only.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, but the seven eighty eight those were not movable lugs.
Those were solid lugs at the rear, which gave it
a very accurate design and a slick bolt.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
But you've got.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
A and I'm just going to express it here and
it may not be founded, but are well founded. But
for me, I would be concerned because now you've got
a mechanical thing that these lugs have to spring out
and engage, versus an old style bolt where the lugs
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are just welded on and you don't need a mechanical
action for them to pop out and engage.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And you're going to be in the middle.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Of nowhere as far as getting anything worked on, and
you're going to be shooting things where you're not the
top of the food chain.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
So I'm just offering those thoughts.
Speaker 12 (28:41):
I know I'm going to take a second rifle with me, so.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Go, okay, I like the way you think.
Speaker 12 (28:47):
I'm going to take a up.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Back up there you go.
Speaker 12 (28:50):
But anyway, so I would just want to hear that
three seventy five I think would do the job.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh it's a great gun. It may be the very
best round bear gun out there.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
It's shootable.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Not that I would take a long shot at a
bear or my first shot, but if you ended up
needing to hit something to two hundred and fifty yards,
it will certainly do it, and the Cartes is up
to it with good bullets. I would definitely go with
a two hundred and fifty or heavier bullet to get
as much penetration as you can and then get a
chance to shoot it as much as you can before
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you go out there. You're gonna have a great time
after you go, and after you get your bear. Give
us a call and tell us how it worked out,
would you please?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I sure think very good.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Thanks for the call. Starting good hunting. That sounds like
a great trip. All right, eight six six talk gun?
What are you getting ready for? It's that time, you know,
hunting seasons are coming right up.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
In some states.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You'll be hunting next month and certainly by September. I'm
trying to get ready as best I can.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
What are you going to be hunting?
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Speaker 2 (32:14):
Hey, let's go straight to the phones online. One I
got David out of Palmer. I'll ask, hey, David, you're
on gun Talk.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
What's up?
Speaker 12 (32:20):
Oh Tom?
Speaker 7 (32:21):
I just wanted to touch base a little bit on
the three seventy five Ruger. I've been shooting that since
they came out, and mine is a tony inch barrel,
stainless Alaskan with the Hoak stock, and that rifle has
proven to be just steadfast in every way. Last season,
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I got a moose head on at less than one
hundred yards and I got to watch the Oh, he
took the he took everything, and it literally tipped him over.
And also that thing has longer legs than what you
might say, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
But I was gonna say, I would say, yeah, that's
a two hundred and fifty even a three hundred yard cartridge.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
If you know the trajectory at all.
Speaker 12 (33:12):
Oh absolutely yeah. And you know, even for something like
a wolf even out further, the trajectory is very uh
predictable with that.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
And you've got a lot of good ammo available on
And we're talking for those who didn't catch it. We're
talking to three seventy five Ruger, not the three seventy
five eight and h. This was brought out in two
thousand and seven accommodation between Ruger and Hornity.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
A lot of good.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Ammo out there, anything from a two hundred and fifty
grain up to three hundred grain. You got some barns, bullets, loads,
and just it is just a really it's a shorter
cartridge you can shoot in a standard action rifle, and
yet it still has four percent more case BYU than
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the three seven five h and.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
H it does, and the the Hawkeye. It has a
control round feed, so if you find yourself upside down
trying to rack around and you can do it, the
round will not.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
Fall out.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And have you shot it? Bear with it.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
I've shot caribou, black bear, and the problem with the
three seven five Ruger is the follow up shots and
the first artifle I read about that they touched on
that that they were not able to do follow up
shots because everything died right away.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
So it's not that you can't shoot it is at
the time. It's that the animal is already dead.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
Well, yeah, it's not. It's just a yeah, right. I
wanted to quickly on Denver the filla that morally cannot
vote for Trump next time. Somebody offers that to you,
maybe you can offer so you support the entities that
(35:15):
want to take my gun.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Well, yeah, there's nothing about this.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
The whole idea of is Trump im moral, which is
like it's like saying, well, I'm more moral. I mean,
I'm not morally superior to anybody that I'm aware of,
But the idea that's saying I'm going to support what
I would consider to be immorl policies of Harris and
the Democrats im moral on every level. Of using the
(35:43):
government to wage war against its own citizens, that would
be immral in my view. Of taking guns away from
people to need them to protect themselves, that's im moral
in my view. I don't That just doesn't compute to me.
It's like, you got to be grown up and be
able to hold your nose and vote for your rights
and not worry about the name on the on the ballot.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
That's right.
Speaker 12 (36:06):
Yeah, you got to drop your person, pull up those
fannies and get to understand what's what is really going on?
Speaker 7 (36:14):
And yeah, here you be outfall.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Thank you much, thank you, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I had to have a chance to talk about the
three seven five ruger much it's also I would let
me tell you how good this cartridge is. I was
at the FTW Ranch where you do long range shooting,
and we had three seven five Ruger rifles, which is
a stupid thing to do. Okay, I mean, come on,
long range shooting with this. We're hitting steel in a
(36:43):
screaming wind. I'm talking twenty gusting to thirty five mile
an hour crosswinds, really hard to figure it out. And
we're banging steel out to five hundred yards with what
are basically bear cartridge is or even you could call
it elephant carters if you wanted to, and shooting them
(37:05):
for quite a while. The recoid wasn't that bad, and
it's accurate. It shoots really well. You can get it
in a standard action rifle. And I actually know people
who like the three seven five caliber diameter bullet for
hunting elk. And I know people say, well, that's more
(37:27):
than you need for elk. Yes, but there's nothing wrong
with putting the down first shot and not having to
worry about what happens afterwards. And also particularly if you say, okay,
I'm not going to be an eight hundred yard elk shooter,
and a lot of us are not my choice. If
that's your thing, that's your thing, it's not mine. I'm
a four hundred yard in end. Would I shoot an
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elk at fourty yards with three seven five? Yes, I would, absolutely,
particularly with the scopes we have now, and it's easy
to do the range finding. You know exactly where it's
going to hit, and the energy is still considerable out there.
There's nothing wrong with making a big hole. Where they're
saying boxing, a good big man will beat a good
smaller man every time, and that's certainly true in this case.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
So the three seventy five.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Ruger in a standard link action, and he mentioned that
the Ruger Hawkeye rifle has control round feed. That's kind
of a cool feature. I've always liked that action, that
Ruger Hawkeye or Model seventy seven, which was the precursor
to the Hawkeye, if you will, and now it's available,
(38:36):
by the way, you might go take a look real
quickly at the Ruger website. They have some limited runs
in the Hawkeye. In limited runs in different calibers, they
pop up and they're there and then they're gone, And
a lot of times they're sold through only like one distributors,
a special distributor only deal. But it's worth going to
Ruger dot com and seeing what's available, like go back
(38:58):
monthly just to see what are these guys done this time?
What do they have available in a limited run for
particular cartridge. So it's kind of cool stuff out there.
Eight six six Talk guy will get you in here.
I'm Tom Gresham and this is gun talk back with you.
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Let's go to the phones. Rick's with us out of Spokane, Washington.
Hey Rick, what's on your mind?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Sir?
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Well? I want to t talk about a new gun
I got and one I got inbound.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Okay, sounds good. I got a couple of minutes to
go for it.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Well, the first one I got was a Ruger single
six and thirty two hn R an old blued one.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Huh cool.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
And second one is a Freedom Arms in three twenty
seven Federal Magnum, a premium.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Okay, that's interesting. Most people when they're getting the Freedom
Arms they're getting a four to fifty four casule or
forty five. Why did you go with the three twenty.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
Seven because I already had all the other ones?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Okay, now officially hate you, okay, because I love that revolver.
They are making some of the Well, they're just unbelievable.
How good the revolvers are.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
I've already got three of them forty one mags, So
that's why I didn't need another one.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Holy cash, So how's the three step three twenty seven? Shoot?
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Don't know?
Speaker 6 (40:23):
You know? I can't pick it up for another week.
Our law is protecting us from ourselves. I can't pick
it up for another week.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
So oh, good lord, where is it cause I can
pick it up. I don't live in Washington.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Sure, sure, go ahead, I'll pick up. You can come
visit your gun. How's that?
Speaker 6 (40:40):
I'll come out of business tonight, Idaho next time I'm
over there in your Moscow. How's that sounds?
Speaker 5 (40:44):
There?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
You go?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
That sounds like a plan. So what do you do
with these free of my arm revolvers? Do you just
cheat them for fun? Are you hunt with them?
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (40:52):
I got to call you for that idea.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I don't know you.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
I just look good and wanted them and said, okay,
let's buy them.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Right, Yeah, that's a good enough reason for me.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
They well, they're spectacularly accurate, as they say the old
phrase a close up like a bank vault. You know,
they're just as solid as they can be. But they
really are amazingly accurate revolvers. I mean, and look, they're expensive.
We get that. They're you know, rugers make good guns
and these are three times as expensive, and that's just
(41:22):
what it is. But you'll never be sorry that you've
got a free your arms revolvers. So good on you.
I appreciate that. All right, thank you for the call, Rick,
I appreciate that. If you'd like to be part of
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