September 30, 2022 • 36 mins
Chris and Rob discuss the narrative that the Miami Dolphins and the NFL doctors were negligent for allowing Tua Tagovailoa to play on Thursday Night Football after suffering what looked like a concussion the previous Sunday, debate which quarterback they'd rather have - Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson - heading into Sunday's showdown between the Buffalo Bills and the Baltimore Ravens, and tell us if we can expect NFL quarterbacks to pay into their 40s more often moving forward (a la Tom Brady).
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You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Russa and Rod Harker. All right, let's get to it.
Rather the big story last night's game, and it would
happened while we were doing our show. To a tongue
of via, Lola gets hurt, gets sacked and suffers a
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back and head injury, is what they're saying now has
not been you know, it hasn't been called a concussion,
although Mike McDaniel, the head coach, called it a concussion,
but doctors have not. They've just said head and neck injuries.
And he seized up, rob he you know, like you
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see somebody getting knocked out, sometimes a boxer, but just
you've seen very times people get knocked out from a
punch and their body just seizes up, like their hand.
You know, It's just like it was when they got
hit right, you know, it doesn't go limp or anything,
and that is what happened to two. And so I
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am obviously not a doctor when I saw it, and
I saw him kind of freeze up like that, My
first thought was not paralysis, and thank God that he
is not suffer that. But it was okay, he got
knocked out and he'll be okay, you know whatever. There
might be some minor injuries, but he should be okay
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because I've seen people get knocked out like that and
it seems like that kind of is what it was.
But like I said, head and neck injury. But the
big story today Rob is everybody saying should he have
even been out there? Because Sunday he suffered you know,
he got sacked, hit his head clearly, hit his head
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on the ground and got up wibbly went to the
locker room the Dolphins. Initially Rob did say it was
a head injury, and then after the doctors checked him out,
they said, no, it's a back injury. He according to
the reports and the doctors, he cleared the protocol from
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a Dolph, the Dolphins doctor Rob, and also from an
independent neurologist who was appointed by the league and the
Players Association. He cleared all that protocol, so they enabled
him to go back out and play Sunday. Finished the game,
he played fine, and then he you know, the questions
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about Thursday were all on the back and he was
able to play, and we saw what happened. So where
did you come down? Rob? And I will give you
I don't know if you change your mind or anything,
but I'll give you credit because you you did. I
don't remember necessarily that you said you didn't think he
should be playing yesterday, but you did say before the
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game you were surprised that he was playing. And to me,
a lot of the people who are now killing the
NFL and the Dolphins and he shouldn't have been playing.
I didn't hear a lot of them saying stuff before
he played. Well, mama, kid, come out and say at
least you know. I was stunned. Yeah, if we had
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the table, you remember I said what he started, he's
playing because I was stunned. I really didn't believe only
because of the short week. He didn't even have a week.
That happened Sunday. I was surprised that they were getting
him out there that quickly. I really was, And I'm
not grandstanding because you know it said it last night.
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I'm giving you credit because, like I said, a lot
of people that are yelling and screaming the day weren't
saying anything. No I know. And that's the part that's
crazy to me, because I really didn't believe. I just thought,
my God, like like, give the guy a little time.
I don't know what it is, Chris, and you know
what the doctors I'm watching. I'm not a doctor. I
didn't examine him, but boy, it just didn't look right
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to me, or like he should have continued to play
on Sunday and he shouldn't have been on there on Thursday.
So if he played Sunday and fine, and then I
was like okay, and and the quick week, if it
was the following Sunday, I don't think I would have
been that shocked. If he had some time, and I
probably would have thought, Okay, you know, he's had a week.
If there's any other lingering issues, than we probably wouldn't
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know by now, right. So that's why do you blame
the Dolphins or the league. I don't think that they
were they that they honestly had two was best interest
at hand and I know that they had doctors and
all that. You know what, Kawhi Leonard didn't like the
doctors that they had in San Antonio, and people could
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call him a kook or whatever it was, or he's uh,
you know, a hypochondriact or whatever, but he didn't and
people had a problem with him. And another thing, all
these NFL people who are now like all the league.
You know what I have. I remember when Jay Cutler
was hurt during the game Chris in an NFC championship game,
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and people from their couches torched that. Dude, do you
remember that they killed him? Oh? You know, you don't
have no hard to get out there? What do you
How could you not play your teammate just the NFC
Championship game? Dude, You just don't know what people's threshold
of pain is. I just think it's wrong with you
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because I hear a lot of X players and they
have the right to say what they want, but killing
the league. And I'm like, dude, like John Harbaugh, who
I really like, and I you know, I've met him
away from the game. I respect him. Um, but he
said he's never seen anything like what he saw last
night in the last in forty years in the league. Now,
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maybe he meant, you know, to a season up like that,
which I get um, but Rob, and I'm not it
wasn't right. But you know years ago what happened to
tow or two on Sunday, a guy being wobbly, That
was you got your bell run. But you know, you
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get a little breaking, then you're back in there. So
I mean, we've seen got smelling like. So here's my take, Rob,
and I want to start with this. I'm not defending
I don't view the NFL or the Miami Dolphins as
some great moral organizations. Okay, I'm not trying to say
they've got, like you said, they didn't have to us
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best interest at heart. I'm not saying they are moral.
The Dolphins we know, I mean, their owner was just
suspended for violating the league's tampering laws, and Brian Floores
accused the Dolphins of racism. Well, I'm not vouching for them.
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The league. We've said it time and time again, and
we just said it last week or earlier this week,
whenever it was. If they had the players health and
safety as their number one priority, they wouldn't have fought
for eighteen games and takes to take in seventeen because
you just increased the risk of injury for what for money?
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For money? Competitive? Yeah, that's the only way, because they
can't make the same money on the exhibition games that
are on local TV that don't waken close to the
money that they make in by having it a national
you know what I mean, a regular season games. It's
leaps in best clearly money. Absolutely, And we talked about
it with the astro turn, you know, I mean, do
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you go to grass? Grass is more expensive, it's tough
to upkeep, but if it's safer, you would do it.
But so I'm not I'm not like believing, oh, the
league wouldn't do something wrong. But Rob, we, like you said,
we are not doctors. And when I see if it
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was just the Dolphins trainer who cleared to a I
might be like a come on, But it was an
independent neurologist who is who was not only from the
league but also the players Association and to a past
a concussion. He went through a protocol every day of
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the week to make sure he was fine. Mike McDaniel,
the head coach, put his integrity on the line right
what he said last night after the game and what
he said this morning or this afternoon whenever it was us.
I mean, if they if it's found out that the
Dolphins knew Tour was not right and they still send
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him out there, Mike McDaniel's reputation is shot because he
clearly he was like, I would never put a player
out there knowing he's hurt just to win a game.
It will never happen under my wife like all that. Right, Well,
when you step out there and if there's some report
that the doctor had a concern or you know what
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I mean, or that there was a question or something
and they overlooked it, he will he will be tarnished.
He will be hurt. Absolutely. So ultimately, Rob, what I'm
saying is this, I don't blame the league or the Dolphins.
I like, were we even said it with the vaccination,
I don't know, But I'm going with the doctors. I'm
going with what the doctor said. And and for those
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they say, well, TA was wildly obviously it was a concussion.
You remember, Rob, two years ago in the playoffs between
the Browns and the Chiefs when mahome Ooms got hurt
and didn't even hit his head but he got up wobbly, right,
and they took him out of the game, and he
passed all the concussion protocols, but they would not let
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him go back in just because he wobbled. And you
can say that was good, but whatever the case, he
passed the lead's concussion protocols. My point is, maybe there's
a problem with the protocols. I don't know, but that
I love. What the Chiefs did was we're not taking
a chance even though he was clear, you know what
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I mean, like, yeah, like, we're not going to take
a chance with our quarterback. We just you can I agree,
and you can get give him that credit. I agree,
But I'm just saying I'm not gonna at least from
what we know now from the reports and stuff and
what I've seen. I don't blame the Dolphins or the
the league right now because I'm Mike McDaniel, uh, the
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GM greer, Like, all they can do is go by
what the do just tell them. None of us are doctors,
and so if the doctors maybe they were wrong, thenn't okay.
Or maybe the protocol needs to get more you know,
intense or specific or whatever. Okay, But right now, I
just I'm not gonna jump on that bandwagon of just
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a lot of you know, every weekend. Obviously they are
big games and great games, but you got the Chiefs
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and the Buccaneers obviously gonna be a tremendous game that
everybody's looking forward to on Sunday night, but it also
ribbed at one o'clock on Sunday, one pm Eastern. It
doesn't get any better than Buffalo at Baltimore. Two of
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the best teams in the league, two teams that could
I don't think either one of us, and I don't
think a ton of people would be surprised if either
one of those teams won the Super Bowl. You might
look at it as a tremendous story for Lamar Jackson,
it would be deja vu because Joe Flacco did the
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same thing in a contract year for himself in Baltimore
and cashed out and cashed out. Absolutely, But as good
as Lamar is and it's playing, and as good as
that program is in Baltimore, I don't think either one.
I don't think anybody could be like shocked that they
win the Super Bowl. So these are two elite teams
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going add it, and on top of that, two of
the absolute best quarterbacks in the NFL. Josh Allen is
the favorite to win the MVP. He was my pick,
but at this moment, rob it's only three games in,
but after three games, I think Lamar Jackson would be
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the MVP. I think he has been the MVP. So
that's the kind of matchup we get to see. And
I want to ask you this. We can see here
and critique the game, but let's let's go here. Which quarterback?
Because both of the guys beyond you know, being great,
they're both young. Josh Allen is twenty six years old
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and in his fifth season, and Lamar Jackson is also
in his fifth season and he is twenty five years
old be twenty six in January. So which quarterback would
you rather have? I'm sure you'd be happy with either? Yeah,
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I would be Oh man, that is that is a
tough one. I'm gonna say Lamar, and I'm gonna say
Lamar because I do believe even though Josh Allen is
able to run, he's got a strong arm. Another thing,
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I do think Lamar is on an island by himself.
I think he's a different type of player who you build.
Can you build a team around him? Because of his
assets and what he brings to the table. I think
he's just a different breed. And we've maybe seen Josh Allen.
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I don't want to make comparisons, but guys kind of
like that, you know, with a strong arm, who can
also move around a little bit. I don't know if
we've really seen Lamar, and I think the proof positive
was the unanimous MVP. I think only Tom Brady had one.
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I mean, and like you have to have something and
have and you remember that was a Brady year right
with Randy Moss when he had just went off that
he went off like that. Rob That was when I
started thinking he might be the goat because he hit
one right. He had three Super Bowls at that, but
he had that he wasn't. And that's why I'm saying,
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like a unanimous MVP. When you talk about a league's
been around for one hundred and three years and two
guys have done it, like, I think that puts you
on a little bit of it. And that's no disrespect
to Josh Allen, who's a fine quarterback. I think I
take Lamar. Yeah, look, I agree with you and that
Lamar is a one of a kind, at least so far.
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I mean, I think you will probably see players more,
you know, more players play like him. Maybe not to
his level as far as running, but you know, you'll
start to see more guys like that in the future.
But we have not even Michael Vick as great as
he was. And Michael Vick really had a really good career.
Route you would I don't think you'd say it was great.
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He had his moments, he had his seasons. But this
dude is like perennially right there in the MVP hunt
every year, and when he doesn't play, they lose, Like
the team is sold around him. Absolutely, And so he
is one of a kind. And I said earlier in
the week he may have changed the game. But all
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that said, I would go with Josh Allen, and here's why.
And and like you said, that's no slight on Lamar
at all. Um, he's fantastic. I'd be happy with black quarterbacks.
You said it was me, Um, But Josh Allen, Look,
we know he's the superior pastor. That's not even close. Um.
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He throws for way more yards, he's more accurate. Um,
he's just you know, he's a better pastor. I don't
think anybody would question that. He's very much bigger, which
is important, you know, Um, particularly for a guy that
runs he's six five two forty. Lamar is like six
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two about well now he up to about two fifteen
to twenty I think with the weight gag to twenty.
But um, yeah, so that for longevity, I think that matters.
Not a guarantee, we saw Cam Newton, but I think,
you know, chances are Josh Allen is going to last
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longer than Lamar Jackson, and I just think as a passer,
and Lamar has improved, we talked about that he has
become a good passer, but no one I don't think
would characterize him as a great one at this point.
And to last long, I mean, who knows how long
is he going to be able to run like this
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where he can just outrun everybody out, you know, maneuver
everybody and all that. But to have the real longevity,
I think that the passing quarterbacks have a better chance
of doing that, just because as you get older, you're
it's not as fast, You're not as quick anymore. And
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so and then finally Robed Lamar's is unquestionably the superior runner. Um.
I think I heard I don't know if it was
Chris Collinsworth or someone on one of their games on
TV with Buffalo said, Josh Allen is like I don't
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want to want to say the wrong with it. He
said something to the effect of he's like the best
running quarterback or something that something something like that, Hello,
like exactly, like, come on, um, he's a very good
running quarterback. But Lamar Jackson something we haven't seen before
at that position. And but all that said, I think
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Lamar is a great runner and a good pastor, and
Josh is a great pastor and from the quarterback position,
a great runner. Not as great as Lamar, but rob
last year he actually gained Now, Lamar was hurt, so Lamar,
you know, miss what six games? Uh so he only
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rushed for seven hundred and sixty seven yards but in
twelve games. But Josh Allen rushed for seven hundred and
sixty three yards and seventeen So he's not the rusher.
He doesn't get the yards that Lamar does, but he's
he's for a quarterback, he runs it really well. Here's
one of those reasons I would take Josh. Here's here's
a little bit why. Uh yeah, I think that's all fair.
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But we have seen stretches of Josh Allen sometimes Chris
where he looks unstoppable like a video game. But then
if you remember last year from weeks eight to thirteen.
He'll look putrid. He'll look bad. He was like a
roller coaster, Okay, he would during that stretch eight through thirteen,
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weeks two and four, Alan eleven touchdowns, Chris eight interceptions
and two fumbles. So he had eleven touchdowns but ten turnovers.
You know what I mean? Like, like we've seen that play.
He has all those skills. Everything you said is true.
I don't know if we have we seen Lamar have
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that bad of a stretch. I don't remember being fumbled
a lot. Now he runs, so he has had a
lot of fumbles. He had twelve his first year and
the only played you know, started seven games. He had
nine his MVP year. He had ten the year after that.
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So because of the way he runs, you know he's
gonna have more fumbles than the average quarterback. But he's
had a bunch of fumbles too. And you know in
his interceptions. Last year, Robbin twelve games, he had thirteen interceptions.
So I do I agree that Josh has been inconsistent.
But he had fifteen interceptions last year in seventeen games.
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Lamar had thirteen in twelve games. Yeah, so I don't
think I don't know if Lamar, I can't remember him
being like Josh. It was almost for a stretch week
to week he'd be great one week bad, the next great,
one week bad. Remember that. And they didn't even throw
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the Patriots through it three times? Right, like like, how
did they lose that game? Yeah? No, he I agree,
he's been up and down. Um, I would say more
than Lamar. But Lamar, you know, like we talked about
this is he wasn't bad the last two years by
any stretch, but he wasn't kind of that superstar. And
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this year is almost a bounce back year at least
so far and being that superstar. But um, look, you
can't go wrong with either. But if I had to
pick one to say start my franchise with, I would
say Josh Allen. But um, it'd be interesting what people say.
Both teams are kind of build around each other. And
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Rob it was Josh Allen. I want your quick take
on this. He was talking about him and Lamar and
um he was asked about dual threat quarterbacks. He said,
it's crazy to think about. There were a lot of
different notions and opinions about both of us coming out
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of the draft. We're just trying to find ways to
help our team win football games. Guys respect Lamar and
love how he plays the game of football. He has
a lot of fun doing it. I have a lot
of fun doing it himself. Yeah, it's kind of a
dual threat. QB. I don't think of him that way.
But what are your thoughts? Yeah, I don't need I
think of him as a pastor who just happens to
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be able to run, and they do have plays for him.
But here's you. You were talking about the roller coaster.
Here's a perfect example of the roller coaster. Last year,
Week fifteen thirty for forty seven, three touchdowns, no picks,
three hundred and fourteen yards. The next week eleven for
twenty six, no touchdowns, three interception, one hundred and twenty yards. Right,
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you know what I mean? Like, he's too good Chris
to turn in a stinker like that, and I would
I would be surprised, don't you know. Everybody will have
a bad game, one bad game, right, I would be
surprised shocked if he did that this year. I don't
mean one game, but you know, if he went had
a big and a half or two months where he
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was like that, like a roller coaster. I would be stunned.
And the thing last day, I'd say on Josh's behalf
robbed and Lamar, you know has proven that he can
win a playoff game. Um, he's done that. But Josh
Allen Robb has been phenomenal in the playoffs. Um, in
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six games, he's three and three. But he's got fourteen
touchdowns one interception. Yeah that's good. You know last year
you noticed, I mean they got beat in the second
you know, second round. But Rob, he that was a
stretch unlike I mean, he had two games. It ain't touchdowns,
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no interceptions, average three hundred eighteen yards. Again, it was ridiculous.
And so yeah, I would take Josh. I don't think
that's a slight on Lamar. Rob would take Lamar. Be
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Rob G was in a he had his panties in
a bunch earlier this week, I think it was Monday,
because NFL dot Com said that Tom Brady was still
a top ten quarterback in the NFL based on this season,
because I I would agree, Rob, I think even you
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might agree he's still a top ten quarterback, but he
hasn't played like it this year. But I don't know
if NFL dot Com was just bait. They couldn't have
been going straight off numbers. They just gave it to
him because he's been what he has been and we
haven't seen like him fall off a cliff alive. Peyton
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Manning his last year in Denver, but Rob g He's
facing Patrick Mahomes this week. A lot of people, include myself,
thinks that Mahomes could be the heir apparent. Obviously, you
got a lot of guys out there, Lamar, Josh Allen,
Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Deshaun Watson when he gets back, perhaps,
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but you got a lot of young quarterbacks who were hot,
not just Mahomes. But Mahomes has something none of them have,
and that's the Super Bowl Championship. And he has an
MVP which only Lamar would have joining him. But Mahomes
was asked Rob, could he see himself playing until he's
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forty five? And Rob Parker, I'll say this, I don't
think it's gonna become commonplace. But I do think that
just like we're kind of seeing in basketball, we're going
to see players having longer careers. Now it's just the medicine,
the treatment, the nutrition, you know, guys, just because of
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the science, they're able to take better care of their bodies. See.
I think it's a reverse. I think it's the opposite.
I think as the money as he's shorter, as money continues,
the money they're making, they'll have so much money. If
this continues with that, I think gods will have shorter
careers at some point. I really do. I think that
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that's a fair point, that the money is so big,
like like you could play and and you know, if
the concussion thing continues, Chris, and you know what I mean,
seeing guys, Yeah, I'm like, I'm out right, I'm out
And if you've made thirty million, I know they all
don't make that, but you know, if you've made thirty
million in your career, you easily could step out right, Right,
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So that's a fair point. But I do think though
there obviously will be some of both, probably right, Yeah,
I'm sure there'll be a handful of guys, but not
I think most guys, if they can if they can
make a lot of money and get out and be healthy,
because the thing that's so scary, And I don't have
the exact numbers, and I don't want I'm not. But
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so a lot of NFL guys are some I don't
want to say a lot. God, you know, they die
in their fifty like they dine in their fifties, and
I just don't. Well, you you bring up a good
You bring up a good point that plays right into
what we were gonna get into. Because Mahomes was asked
about playing until he's forty five like Brady, and here's
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where he said. Yeah, he said, quote, obviously it's hard
to play until you're forty five years old. I don't
want to be out there just hanging on. You see
what Tom is, He's still playing at a very high level.
I think that's why it's hard for him to kind
of give it up. When you're playing at a high level,
you don't want to just leave it. Oh wait, Mante
the extra part of that quote that you left out,
rob G, what's that? He said? I don't want to
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have to take juice, I mean orange juice saw to
continue to play. But see Rob that to me, that's
the now. There will be some guys who just because
of there, you know, they don't want to risk the health,
who will retire. There are some guys, as we've said
many times before in all the major sports, who aren't
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in love with the game. They just are great, so right, absolutely,
so those guys may do what you're saying. But and
here's the thing too, Rob, the guys you see doing it,
what lying ackers Lineman right, quarterbacks I can't recall when
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it comes to mind that's left the game early because
of fear of injuries and the way Rob, they protect
the quarterbacks. Obviously last night we saw what happened with
two of but you know, they protect these quarterbacks about
as much as you can protect them in a contact
sport now, right, And so I think all those things
could allow a lot of these guys to play longer.
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But Mahomes said, Rob, something that I do think will
keep guys playing longer too. If they're playing at a
high level, it is hard to walk away like and
I think that's a struggle Brady's having, like it wasn't.
I can't imagine it was that hard for Peyton Manning.
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Whether he won the Super Bowl or not to walk
away that after that last year in Denver. Yeah, he
missed the game and all that, but he was not
good any more, right, right, he was? He was bad? Right,
And so I do think Mahomes makes a great point,
Rob about Brady. And look, we can argue what you
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want about you know, how how how high of a
level he's playing at right now. Obviously his numbers aren't great.
I don't see a ton of decline. You know, you vouched.
I've been saying this since his last year in New England.
He could no longer carry mediocre talent, which he did
for a lot of his career. And you know, when
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they wanted they had Mike Evans, they had Chris god
when they had Antonio Brown, m and now Godwin's hurt,
Gronk is gone, Julio Jones got hurt after the first game,
Mike Evans missed the last game. So I the line,
offensive line is depleted. So I think those are reasons
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more so than Brady, like, you know, not being any
any good any more. He's obviously not prime, but he's
still I still think he's playing at a pretty high level.
But I just think Rob, that's when it's tough when
you're you're doing damage, you're playing well, and it's like, man,
I know I'm my age says I should retire, but
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I'm still pretty good. I think the only way it
might uh, if something were to happen to an older player,
you know what I mean, Like that might scare some
people off. You know what I mean, if there's some
dam Brady were to get hurt, like serious or something abody.
We don't want to We don't want that to happen.
But you know what I mean, when you see it
and go, was he smart with dy has still been
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out there? You know what I mean? Like that that
might scare you off. Um, But yeah, I think Brady
is is not will not be the norm. I just
I think that's a violent game. And most people don't
play just quarter you know, they play other positions. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, like I'm thinking more quarterbacks on. Yeah. The
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other guys can't play that long. They just can't receiver,
running back. I mean, yeah, you're gonna lose speed even
like you know lineman. I mean we've seen some lineman
Whitworth was what forty um. But for the most part,
I do think with all the technology thing athletes are.
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You know, we've talked about it that how it's kind
of baffling in some respects. How guys get hurt more
more so, Rob. This is the interesting thing. They get
hurt more in basketball and baseball, right right, Football guys,
I mean they get hurt, but they I don't see
I don't see guys getting hurt robbed any more than
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they used to because I don't think because we saw,
uh remember Judge in Stanton couldn't stay healthy plenty outfield.
You know what I mean, right right, No, it's it's yeah,
it's bizarre. But I just think that ultimately, I think
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what Mahomes says is tough, Rob. And you saw I
mean you were in Detroit when Barry Sanders walked away,
Calvin Johnson walked away. So guys have done it, Jim
Brown years ago. But I do think Rob, it is
it's gotta be harder when you're still a good player. Yeah,
I think it is if if you're at a high level.
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But I think most people because I think that's really
another part of the beef with his wife. It is
about his health to that. Of course, it's the family thing, Chris,
But I do believe she's like, you know, you've played
a long time, You've been very fortunate, you haven't been
really hurt. You know, why are we doing this? Why
are we even giving it a shot of something bad happening?
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So yeah, I mean I'm sure she's probably worried about
his health his entire career. So as you get older,
that's just you know, you're right that that's gotta be natural. Um,
how do you think he's playing? I mean, I I
like I said to me, I don't see like that.
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He doesn't have the armed talent anymore, you know, or
there arm strength. I mean, I've said he just he
can't carry guys by that aren't that great anymore. But
I still think when they get I mean, Evans will
be back Sunday. But when they get Evans and then
god Win back, I think you I don't think you're
gonna see what you saw last year because he was
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his numbers were terrific last year. But I do think
he'll be playing at a high level. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what to think because even before they
didn't have those guys, they just have struggled against Dallas
remembers all Field goals and it just seems like there's
a disconnect somehow. I don't know why. I don't Tom
Buddy has what three touchdowns and yeah, I haven't been
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like that in a long time, those kind of numbers,
and settled for a lot of few goals in the
red zone, which is weird. So I don't know. I
don't know where he is yet. I need more sample
size to see if there's any kind of trend
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Rather the big story last night's game, and it would
happened while we were doing our show. To a tongue
of via, Lola gets hurt, gets sacked and suffers a
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back and head injury, is what they're saying now has
not been you know, it hasn't been called a concussion,
although Mike McDaniel, the head coach, called it a concussion,
but doctors have not. They've just said head and neck injuries.
And he seized up, rob he you know, like you
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see somebody getting knocked out, sometimes a boxer, but just
you've seen very times people get knocked out from a
punch and their body just seizes up, like their hand.
You know, It's just like it was when they got
hit right, you know, it doesn't go limp or anything,
and that is what happened to two. And so I
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am obviously not a doctor when I saw it, and
I saw him kind of freeze up like that, My
first thought was not paralysis, and thank God that he
is not suffer that. But it was okay, he got
knocked out and he'll be okay, you know whatever. There
might be some minor injuries, but he should be okay
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because I've seen people get knocked out like that and
it seems like that kind of is what it was.
But like I said, head and neck injury. But the
big story today Rob is everybody saying should he have
even been out there? Because Sunday he suffered you know,
he got sacked, hit his head clearly, hit his head
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on the ground and got up wibbly went to the
locker room the Dolphins. Initially Rob did say it was
a head injury, and then after the doctors checked him out,
they said, no, it's a back injury. He according to
the reports and the doctors, he cleared the protocol from
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a Dolph, the Dolphins doctor Rob, and also from an
independent neurologist who was appointed by the league and the
Players Association. He cleared all that protocol, so they enabled
him to go back out and play Sunday. Finished the game,
he played fine, and then he you know, the questions
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about Thursday were all on the back and he was
able to play, and we saw what happened. So where
did you come down? Rob? And I will give you
I don't know if you change your mind or anything,
but I'll give you credit because you you did. I
don't remember necessarily that you said you didn't think he
should be playing yesterday, but you did say before the
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game you were surprised that he was playing. And to me,
a lot of the people who are now killing the
NFL and the Dolphins and he shouldn't have been playing.
I didn't hear a lot of them saying stuff before
he played. Well, mama, kid, come out and say at
least you know. I was stunned. Yeah, if we had
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the table, you remember I said what he started, he's
playing because I was stunned. I really didn't believe only
because of the short week. He didn't even have a week.
That happened Sunday. I was surprised that they were getting
him out there that quickly. I really was, And I'm
not grandstanding because you know it said it last night.
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I'm giving you credit because, like I said, a lot
of people that are yelling and screaming the day weren't
saying anything. No I know. And that's the part that's
crazy to me, because I really didn't believe. I just thought,
my God, like like, give the guy a little time.
I don't know what it is, Chris, and you know
what the doctors I'm watching. I'm not a doctor. I
didn't examine him, but boy, it just didn't look right
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to me, or like he should have continued to play
on Sunday and he shouldn't have been on there on Thursday.
So if he played Sunday and fine, and then I
was like okay, and and the quick week, if it
was the following Sunday, I don't think I would have
been that shocked. If he had some time, and I
probably would have thought, Okay, you know, he's had a week.
If there's any other lingering issues, than we probably wouldn't
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know by now, right. So that's why do you blame
the Dolphins or the league. I don't think that they
were they that they honestly had two was best interest
at hand and I know that they had doctors and
all that. You know what, Kawhi Leonard didn't like the
doctors that they had in San Antonio, and people could
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call him a kook or whatever it was, or he's uh,
you know, a hypochondriact or whatever, but he didn't and
people had a problem with him. And another thing, all
these NFL people who are now like all the league.
You know what I have. I remember when Jay Cutler
was hurt during the game Chris in an NFC championship game,
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and people from their couches torched that. Dude, do you
remember that they killed him? Oh? You know, you don't
have no hard to get out there? What do you
How could you not play your teammate just the NFC
Championship game? Dude, You just don't know what people's threshold
of pain is. I just think it's wrong with you
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because I hear a lot of X players and they
have the right to say what they want, but killing
the league. And I'm like, dude, like John Harbaugh, who
I really like, and I you know, I've met him
away from the game. I respect him. Um, but he
said he's never seen anything like what he saw last
night in the last in forty years in the league. Now,
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maybe he meant, you know, to a season up like that,
which I get um, but Rob, and I'm not it
wasn't right. But you know years ago what happened to
tow or two on Sunday, a guy being wobbly, That
was you got your bell run. But you know, you
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get a little breaking, then you're back in there. So
I mean, we've seen got smelling like. So here's my take, Rob,
and I want to start with this. I'm not defending
I don't view the NFL or the Miami Dolphins as
some great moral organizations. Okay, I'm not trying to say
they've got, like you said, they didn't have to us
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best interest at heart. I'm not saying they are moral.
The Dolphins we know, I mean, their owner was just
suspended for violating the league's tampering laws, and Brian Floores
accused the Dolphins of racism. Well, I'm not vouching for them.
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The league. We've said it time and time again, and
we just said it last week or earlier this week,
whenever it was. If they had the players health and
safety as their number one priority, they wouldn't have fought
for eighteen games and takes to take in seventeen because
you just increased the risk of injury for what for money?
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For money? Competitive? Yeah, that's the only way, because they
can't make the same money on the exhibition games that
are on local TV that don't waken close to the
money that they make in by having it a national
you know what I mean, a regular season games. It's
leaps in best clearly money. Absolutely, And we talked about
it with the astro turn, you know, I mean, do
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you go to grass? Grass is more expensive, it's tough
to upkeep, but if it's safer, you would do it.
But so I'm not I'm not like believing, oh, the
league wouldn't do something wrong. But Rob, we, like you said,
we are not doctors. And when I see if it
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was just the Dolphins trainer who cleared to a I
might be like a come on, But it was an
independent neurologist who is who was not only from the
league but also the players Association and to a past
a concussion. He went through a protocol every day of
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the week to make sure he was fine. Mike McDaniel,
the head coach, put his integrity on the line right
what he said last night after the game and what
he said this morning or this afternoon whenever it was us.
I mean, if they if it's found out that the
Dolphins knew Tour was not right and they still send
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him out there, Mike McDaniel's reputation is shot because he
clearly he was like, I would never put a player
out there knowing he's hurt just to win a game.
It will never happen under my wife like all that. Right, Well,
when you step out there and if there's some report
that the doctor had a concern or you know what
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I mean, or that there was a question or something
and they overlooked it, he will he will be tarnished.
He will be hurt. Absolutely. So ultimately, Rob, what I'm
saying is this, I don't blame the league or the Dolphins.
I like, were we even said it with the vaccination,
I don't know, But I'm going with the doctors. I'm
going with what the doctor said. And and for those
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they say, well, TA was wildly obviously it was a concussion.
You remember, Rob, two years ago in the playoffs between
the Browns and the Chiefs when mahome Ooms got hurt
and didn't even hit his head but he got up wobbly, right,
and they took him out of the game, and he
passed all the concussion protocols, but they would not let
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him go back in just because he wobbled. And you
can say that was good, but whatever the case, he
passed the lead's concussion protocols. My point is, maybe there's
a problem with the protocols. I don't know, but that
I love. What the Chiefs did was we're not taking
a chance even though he was clear, you know what
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I mean, like, yeah, like, we're not going to take
a chance with our quarterback. We just you can I agree,
and you can get give him that credit. I agree,
But I'm just saying I'm not gonna at least from
what we know now from the reports and stuff and
what I've seen. I don't blame the Dolphins or the
the league right now because I'm Mike McDaniel, uh, the
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GM greer, Like, all they can do is go by
what the do just tell them. None of us are doctors,
and so if the doctors maybe they were wrong, thenn't okay.
Or maybe the protocol needs to get more you know,
intense or specific or whatever. Okay, But right now, I
just I'm not gonna jump on that bandwagon of just
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a lot of you know, every weekend. Obviously they are
big games and great games, but you got the Chiefs
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and the Buccaneers obviously gonna be a tremendous game that
everybody's looking forward to on Sunday night, but it also
ribbed at one o'clock on Sunday, one pm Eastern. It
doesn't get any better than Buffalo at Baltimore. Two of
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the best teams in the league, two teams that could
I don't think either one of us, and I don't
think a ton of people would be surprised if either
one of those teams won the Super Bowl. You might
look at it as a tremendous story for Lamar Jackson,
it would be deja vu because Joe Flacco did the
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same thing in a contract year for himself in Baltimore
and cashed out and cashed out. Absolutely, But as good
as Lamar is and it's playing, and as good as
that program is in Baltimore, I don't think either one.
I don't think anybody could be like shocked that they
win the Super Bowl. So these are two elite teams
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going add it, and on top of that, two of
the absolute best quarterbacks in the NFL. Josh Allen is
the favorite to win the MVP. He was my pick,
but at this moment, rob it's only three games in,
but after three games, I think Lamar Jackson would be
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the MVP. I think he has been the MVP. So
that's the kind of matchup we get to see. And
I want to ask you this. We can see here
and critique the game, but let's let's go here. Which quarterback?
Because both of the guys beyond you know, being great,
they're both young. Josh Allen is twenty six years old
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and in his fifth season, and Lamar Jackson is also
in his fifth season and he is twenty five years
old be twenty six in January. So which quarterback would
you rather have? I'm sure you'd be happy with either? Yeah,
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I would be Oh man, that is that is a
tough one. I'm gonna say Lamar, and I'm gonna say
Lamar because I do believe even though Josh Allen is
able to run, he's got a strong arm. Another thing,
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I do think Lamar is on an island by himself.
I think he's a different type of player who you build.
Can you build a team around him? Because of his
assets and what he brings to the table. I think
he's just a different breed. And we've maybe seen Josh Allen.
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I don't want to make comparisons, but guys kind of
like that, you know, with a strong arm, who can
also move around a little bit. I don't know if
we've really seen Lamar, and I think the proof positive
was the unanimous MVP. I think only Tom Brady had one.
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I mean, and like you have to have something and
have and you remember that was a Brady year right
with Randy Moss when he had just went off that
he went off like that. Rob That was when I
started thinking he might be the goat because he hit
one right. He had three Super Bowls at that, but
he had that he wasn't. And that's why I'm saying,
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like a unanimous MVP. When you talk about a league's
been around for one hundred and three years and two
guys have done it, like, I think that puts you
on a little bit of it. And that's no disrespect
to Josh Allen, who's a fine quarterback. I think I
take Lamar. Yeah, look, I agree with you and that
Lamar is a one of a kind, at least so far.
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I mean, I think you will probably see players more,
you know, more players play like him. Maybe not to
his level as far as running, but you know, you'll
start to see more guys like that in the future.
But we have not even Michael Vick as great as
he was. And Michael Vick really had a really good career.
Route you would I don't think you'd say it was great.
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He had his moments, he had his seasons. But this
dude is like perennially right there in the MVP hunt
every year, and when he doesn't play, they lose, Like
the team is sold around him. Absolutely, And so he
is one of a kind. And I said earlier in
the week he may have changed the game. But all
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that said, I would go with Josh Allen, and here's why.
And and like you said, that's no slight on Lamar
at all. Um, he's fantastic. I'd be happy with black quarterbacks.
You said it was me, Um, But Josh Allen, Look,
we know he's the superior pastor. That's not even close. Um.
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He throws for way more yards, he's more accurate. Um,
he's just you know, he's a better pastor. I don't
think anybody would question that. He's very much bigger, which
is important, you know, Um, particularly for a guy that
runs he's six five two forty. Lamar is like six
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two about well now he up to about two fifteen
to twenty I think with the weight gag to twenty.
But um, yeah, so that for longevity, I think that matters.
Not a guarantee, we saw Cam Newton, but I think,
you know, chances are Josh Allen is going to last
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longer than Lamar Jackson, and I just think as a passer,
and Lamar has improved, we talked about that he has
become a good passer, but no one I don't think
would characterize him as a great one at this point.
And to last long, I mean, who knows how long
is he going to be able to run like this
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where he can just outrun everybody out, you know, maneuver
everybody and all that. But to have the real longevity,
I think that the passing quarterbacks have a better chance
of doing that, just because as you get older, you're
it's not as fast, You're not as quick anymore. And
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so and then finally Robed Lamar's is unquestionably the superior runner. Um.
I think I heard I don't know if it was
Chris Collinsworth or someone on one of their games on
TV with Buffalo said, Josh Allen is like I don't
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want to want to say the wrong with it. He
said something to the effect of he's like the best
running quarterback or something that something something like that, Hello,
like exactly, like, come on, um, he's a very good
running quarterback. But Lamar Jackson something we haven't seen before
at that position. And but all that said, I think
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Lamar is a great runner and a good pastor, and
Josh is a great pastor and from the quarterback position,
a great runner. Not as great as Lamar, but rob
last year he actually gained Now, Lamar was hurt, so Lamar,
you know, miss what six games? Uh so he only
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rushed for seven hundred and sixty seven yards but in
twelve games. But Josh Allen rushed for seven hundred and
sixty three yards and seventeen So he's not the rusher.
He doesn't get the yards that Lamar does, but he's
he's for a quarterback, he runs it really well. Here's
one of those reasons I would take Josh. Here's here's
a little bit why. Uh yeah, I think that's all fair.
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But we have seen stretches of Josh Allen sometimes Chris
where he looks unstoppable like a video game. But then
if you remember last year from weeks eight to thirteen.
He'll look putrid. He'll look bad. He was like a
roller coaster, Okay, he would during that stretch eight through thirteen,
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weeks two and four, Alan eleven touchdowns, Chris eight interceptions
and two fumbles. So he had eleven touchdowns but ten turnovers.
You know what I mean? Like, like we've seen that play.
He has all those skills. Everything you said is true.
I don't know if we have we seen Lamar have
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that bad of a stretch. I don't remember being fumbled
a lot. Now he runs, so he has had a
lot of fumbles. He had twelve his first year and
the only played you know, started seven games. He had
nine his MVP year. He had ten the year after that.
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So because of the way he runs, you know he's
gonna have more fumbles than the average quarterback. But he's
had a bunch of fumbles too. And you know in
his interceptions. Last year, Robbin twelve games, he had thirteen interceptions.
So I do I agree that Josh has been inconsistent.
But he had fifteen interceptions last year in seventeen games.
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Lamar had thirteen in twelve games. Yeah, so I don't
think I don't know if Lamar, I can't remember him
being like Josh. It was almost for a stretch week
to week he'd be great one week bad, the next great,
one week bad. Remember that. And they didn't even throw
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the Patriots through it three times? Right, like like, how
did they lose that game? Yeah? No, he I agree,
he's been up and down. Um, I would say more
than Lamar. But Lamar, you know, like we talked about
this is he wasn't bad the last two years by
any stretch, but he wasn't kind of that superstar. And
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this year is almost a bounce back year at least
so far and being that superstar. But um, look, you
can't go wrong with either. But if I had to
pick one to say start my franchise with, I would
say Josh Allen. But um, it'd be interesting what people say.
Both teams are kind of build around each other. And
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Rob it was Josh Allen. I want your quick take
on this. He was talking about him and Lamar and
um he was asked about dual threat quarterbacks. He said,
it's crazy to think about. There were a lot of
different notions and opinions about both of us coming out
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of the draft. We're just trying to find ways to
help our team win football games. Guys respect Lamar and
love how he plays the game of football. He has
a lot of fun doing it. I have a lot
of fun doing it himself. Yeah, it's kind of a
dual threat. QB. I don't think of him that way.
But what are your thoughts? Yeah, I don't need I
think of him as a pastor who just happens to
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be able to run, and they do have plays for him.
But here's you. You were talking about the roller coaster.
Here's a perfect example of the roller coaster. Last year,
Week fifteen thirty for forty seven, three touchdowns, no picks,
three hundred and fourteen yards. The next week eleven for
twenty six, no touchdowns, three interception, one hundred and twenty yards. Right,
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you know what I mean? Like, he's too good Chris
to turn in a stinker like that, and I would
I would be surprised, don't you know. Everybody will have
a bad game, one bad game, right, I would be
surprised shocked if he did that this year. I don't
mean one game, but you know, if he went had
a big and a half or two months where he
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was like that, like a roller coaster. I would be stunned.
And the thing last day, I'd say on Josh's behalf
robbed and Lamar, you know has proven that he can
win a playoff game. Um, he's done that. But Josh
Allen Robb has been phenomenal in the playoffs. Um, in
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six games, he's three and three. But he's got fourteen
touchdowns one interception. Yeah that's good. You know last year
you noticed, I mean they got beat in the second
you know, second round. But Rob, he that was a
stretch unlike I mean, he had two games. It ain't touchdowns,
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no interceptions, average three hundred eighteen yards. Again, it was ridiculous.
And so yeah, I would take Josh. I don't think
that's a slight on Lamar. Rob would take Lamar. Be
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Rob G was in a he had his panties in
a bunch earlier this week, I think it was Monday,
because NFL dot Com said that Tom Brady was still
a top ten quarterback in the NFL based on this season,
because I I would agree, Rob, I think even you
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might agree he's still a top ten quarterback, but he
hasn't played like it this year. But I don't know
if NFL dot Com was just bait. They couldn't have
been going straight off numbers. They just gave it to
him because he's been what he has been and we
haven't seen like him fall off a cliff alive. Peyton
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Manning his last year in Denver, but Rob g He's
facing Patrick Mahomes this week. A lot of people, include myself,
thinks that Mahomes could be the heir apparent. Obviously, you
got a lot of guys out there, Lamar, Josh Allen,
Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Deshaun Watson when he gets back, perhaps,
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but you got a lot of young quarterbacks who were hot,
not just Mahomes. But Mahomes has something none of them have,
and that's the Super Bowl Championship. And he has an
MVP which only Lamar would have joining him. But Mahomes
was asked Rob, could he see himself playing until he's
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forty five? And Rob Parker, I'll say this, I don't
think it's gonna become commonplace. But I do think that
just like we're kind of seeing in basketball, we're going
to see players having longer careers. Now it's just the medicine,
the treatment, the nutrition, you know, guys, just because of
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the science, they're able to take better care of their bodies. See.
I think it's a reverse. I think it's the opposite.
I think as the money as he's shorter, as money continues,
the money they're making, they'll have so much money. If
this continues with that, I think gods will have shorter
careers at some point. I really do. I think that
(27:54):
that's a fair point, that the money is so big,
like like you could play and and you know, if
the concussion thing continues, Chris, and you know what I mean,
seeing guys, Yeah, I'm like, I'm out right, I'm out
And if you've made thirty million, I know they all
don't make that, but you know, if you've made thirty
million in your career, you easily could step out right, Right,
(28:16):
So that's a fair point. But I do think though
there obviously will be some of both, probably right, Yeah,
I'm sure there'll be a handful of guys, but not
I think most guys, if they can if they can
make a lot of money and get out and be healthy,
because the thing that's so scary, And I don't have
the exact numbers, and I don't want I'm not. But
(28:36):
so a lot of NFL guys are some I don't
want to say a lot. God, you know, they die
in their fifty like they dine in their fifties, and
I just don't. Well, you you bring up a good
You bring up a good point that plays right into
what we were gonna get into. Because Mahomes was asked
about playing until he's forty five like Brady, and here's
(28:59):
where he said. Yeah, he said, quote, obviously it's hard
to play until you're forty five years old. I don't
want to be out there just hanging on. You see
what Tom is, He's still playing at a very high level.
I think that's why it's hard for him to kind
of give it up. When you're playing at a high level,
you don't want to just leave it. Oh wait, Mante
the extra part of that quote that you left out,
rob G, what's that? He said? I don't want to
(29:21):
have to take juice, I mean orange juice saw to
continue to play. But see Rob that to me, that's
the now. There will be some guys who just because
of there, you know, they don't want to risk the health,
who will retire. There are some guys, as we've said
many times before in all the major sports, who aren't
(29:45):
in love with the game. They just are great, so right, absolutely,
so those guys may do what you're saying. But and
here's the thing too, Rob, the guys you see doing it,
what lying ackers Lineman right, quarterbacks I can't recall when
(30:05):
it comes to mind that's left the game early because
of fear of injuries and the way Rob, they protect
the quarterbacks. Obviously last night we saw what happened with
two of but you know, they protect these quarterbacks about
as much as you can protect them in a contact
sport now, right, And so I think all those things
could allow a lot of these guys to play longer.
(30:28):
But Mahomes said, Rob, something that I do think will
keep guys playing longer too. If they're playing at a
high level, it is hard to walk away like and
I think that's a struggle Brady's having, like it wasn't.
I can't imagine it was that hard for Peyton Manning.
(30:48):
Whether he won the Super Bowl or not to walk
away that after that last year in Denver. Yeah, he
missed the game and all that, but he was not
good any more, right, right, he was? He was bad? Right,
And so I do think Mahomes makes a great point,
Rob about Brady. And look, we can argue what you
(31:11):
want about you know, how how how high of a
level he's playing at right now. Obviously his numbers aren't great.
I don't see a ton of decline. You know, you vouched.
I've been saying this since his last year in New England.
He could no longer carry mediocre talent, which he did
for a lot of his career. And you know, when
(31:34):
they wanted they had Mike Evans, they had Chris god
when they had Antonio Brown, m and now Godwin's hurt,
Gronk is gone, Julio Jones got hurt after the first game,
Mike Evans missed the last game. So I the line,
offensive line is depleted. So I think those are reasons
(31:54):
more so than Brady, like, you know, not being any
any good any more. He's obviously not prime, but he's
still I still think he's playing at a pretty high level.
But I just think Rob, that's when it's tough when
you're you're doing damage, you're playing well, and it's like, man,
I know I'm my age says I should retire, but
(32:15):
I'm still pretty good. I think the only way it
might uh, if something were to happen to an older player,
you know what I mean, Like that might scare some
people off. You know what I mean, if there's some
dam Brady were to get hurt, like serious or something abody.
We don't want to We don't want that to happen.
But you know what I mean, when you see it
and go, was he smart with dy has still been
(32:38):
out there? You know what I mean? Like that that
might scare you off. Um, But yeah, I think Brady
is is not will not be the norm. I just
I think that's a violent game. And most people don't
play just quarter you know, they play other positions. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, like I'm thinking more quarterbacks on. Yeah. The
(33:01):
other guys can't play that long. They just can't receiver,
running back. I mean, yeah, you're gonna lose speed even
like you know lineman. I mean we've seen some lineman
Whitworth was what forty um. But for the most part,
I do think with all the technology thing athletes are.
(33:21):
You know, we've talked about it that how it's kind
of baffling in some respects. How guys get hurt more
more so, Rob. This is the interesting thing. They get
hurt more in basketball and baseball, right right, Football guys,
I mean they get hurt, but they I don't see
I don't see guys getting hurt robbed any more than
(33:43):
they used to because I don't think because we saw,
uh remember Judge in Stanton couldn't stay healthy plenty outfield.
You know what I mean, right right, No, it's it's yeah,
it's bizarre. But I just think that ultimately, I think
(34:03):
what Mahomes says is tough, Rob. And you saw I
mean you were in Detroit when Barry Sanders walked away,
Calvin Johnson walked away. So guys have done it, Jim
Brown years ago. But I do think Rob, it is
it's gotta be harder when you're still a good player. Yeah,
I think it is if if you're at a high level.
(34:25):
But I think most people because I think that's really
another part of the beef with his wife. It is
about his health to that. Of course, it's the family thing, Chris,
But I do believe she's like, you know, you've played
a long time, You've been very fortunate, you haven't been
really hurt. You know, why are we doing this? Why
are we even giving it a shot of something bad happening?
(34:48):
So yeah, I mean I'm sure she's probably worried about
his health his entire career. So as you get older,
that's just you know, you're right that that's gotta be natural. Um,
how do you think he's playing? I mean, I I
like I said to me, I don't see like that.
(35:10):
He doesn't have the armed talent anymore, you know, or
there arm strength. I mean, I've said he just he
can't carry guys by that aren't that great anymore. But
I still think when they get I mean, Evans will
be back Sunday. But when they get Evans and then
god Win back, I think you I don't think you're
gonna see what you saw last year because he was
(35:32):
his numbers were terrific last year. But I do think
he'll be playing at a high level. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what to think because even before they
didn't have those guys, they just have struggled against Dallas
remembers all Field goals and it just seems like there's
a disconnect somehow. I don't know why. I don't Tom
Buddy has what three touchdowns and yeah, I haven't been
(35:55):
like that in a long time, those kind of numbers,
and settled for a lot of few goals in the
red zone, which is weird. So I don't know. I
don't know where he is yet. I need more sample
size to see if there's any kind of trend
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