October 24, 2023 • 29 mins
Chris and Rob take our FSR colleague Brady Quinn to task for defending Michigan Football's illegal sign-stealing the past few seasons, discuss the idea that 'Baseball Guys' might get more MLB managerial jobs again and debate whether or not the Monday Night Football meltdown proved that Brock Purdy isn't a true franchise-caliber NFL quarterback.
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
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Speaker 3 (00:36):
Rob, there are a few more developments.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We've been following and talking about this scandal at Michigan
with Jim Harbaugh and his coaching staff. Rob G kind
of update us on the latest.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Well, actually, we had more news come down here in
the last maybe ten minutes or so. According what happened
according to multiple outlets, now it turns out that Connor
Stallion is the employee in question on the Michigan coaching
staff purchase tickets to scout several games outside of the
Big Ten, including against Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia in preparation for
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any playoff games that may be involved. And that's the
latest is in the last ten minutes now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
There was talk though Brady Quinn on the show here
on Fox Sports Radio Two Pros and a Cup of
Joe with LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox, and they talk
Brady has said that this type of thing is commonplace
in college sports.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Is I believe that's what he said here, he is verbatim.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
The whole thing seems really fishy, every little piece of it.
And I know there's probably Ohio State fans that are like, oh,
it's Michigan, they cheat it. It's like, well, be careful,
be careful now, all right. I'm just telling you a
lot of coaches that I've talked to don't want to
talk about it or make any pubulic accusations for a reason.
For a reason, and anyone who's out there says all
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this doesn't go on, it's just Michigan. They're lying to you,
or they're ignorant to how the game of football is today,
at least at the college level.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Rob That goes along with what Paul find But I
remember I was talking yesterday about he said something on
ESPN where he was like, it feels like they're just
the n CLA is going after hardball. Because he didn't
cooperate to their liking, you know, with the earlier investigation
regarding him. That kind of sounds like something similar to
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what Brady Quinn is saying.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
But go ahead, Yeah, I got pushback on Brady Quinn.
And just because see this is the problem that I have.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
He was a college football star. He knows a lot
of people in college football. That's his job. He talks
to people, and the same thing. You know, what happens
is you feel like you gotta protect people and you
gotta be like, you know, like Urban Meyer.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You wanted to protect Urban Meyer despite what was going on.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
How you did whether you like Urban or not. I
don't have anything against him, but it was hard to
defend this.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Then that's what I'm saying, Chris.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I'm not saying you got to bury the goud, but
you can't defend some of the stuff. And this is
again I don't know what his relationship is with Jim Harbaugh,
but to totally pooh pooh.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Now, if he wants to.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Say to me, I have evidence that Alabama does this,
and I and I have evidence that some.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Other schools don't.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
They do it as well, Chris, and you want to
give it to me like that, and the NCAA has
turned their heads.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Now.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
I want to listen to Brady Quinn, but just to
say that everybody does it. No, you show me another
school where you have an employee who's buying tickets Chris
at these games, which is against NCAA rules.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Show me.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
I'm not saying that people don't try to get edges,
but Michigan got card so far up according to the
evidence that I've seen, and they still have to have
their day, you know, and with the NCAAA and court
or whatever you want to call it, you know, but
to just throw a blanket, it's like, well, everybody cheats
on their taxes. No, everybody doesn't cheat on their taxes.
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And Brady Quinn can say that. Can you imagine if
Brady Quinn when he's in college, played in the National
Championship Game and found out that the other school had
his signals, Chris, and they lost. Don't tell me everybody's
cool with that. Bill Belichick is the only NFL head
coach Chris that I know that was fined a half
a million dollars for fine and lost draft picks for
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recording signals. Nobody else and the other guy who got
busted was is now the is Josh McDaniels, and it
cost him his job in Denver.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Those are the only two coaches I know. And I'm
not saying I'm not.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Blind or or or over in my eyes that stuff
don't go on, Chris, But you just can't throw a
blanket and make an excuse for Michigan that everybody does it.
And that's his that's his claim, is that everybody who
Brady Quinn.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Named is not gonna say that. Well, then that's my point.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
He's not gonna say name the schools. But I will
say this, and I agree with your points about you.
You know, you would rather have something definitive than just
even if he says it's stronger because basically the way
he said it was that from talking to coaches, they
you know, they kind of say, like, this happens a lot,
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and there's a reason the coaches are doing it. Even
if he were to come out rib and say, look,
I know, be on the shadow of a doubt that
most of the teams in the top twenty five do this,
they do this, what Michigan's doing is not uncommon in
the least bit, that's a stronger statement what I'll say
is this, and I don't know if it's common.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Practice or if it's only Michigan.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
If it is common practice, like if basically most of
the teams are doing this, it's well known and it's
you know, the coaches don't think, you know, it's a
big deal that what Michigan is being accused of. Then
I don't think that gets Michigan off the hook. I
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think they should still be punished, but I do think
it changes the degree of the punishment. Like I said
when we talked about it last week when it first
came down, if it's true, Harbass should be stripped of
his victories that.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Were related to this and suspended for the rest of
the year.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Now, if everybody's doing it, I would not go that far.
I think it should be more like a fine. It
doesn't excuse you that everybody does it, But to me,
it does change the degree of the punishment if if
again if no, if they're the only ones doing it,
then I think that gives them much bigger advantage. And
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so that's how I look at it. It's just like this,
just like but if it's you know, if it's everybody
doing it's like it's not that big of a deal.
Then it just changes the degree of punishment.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I just think you have a better argument if you're
Brady Quinn and you want to give me examples that
that that's all. Give me examples and hey, here's some detail,
give me some d's. Somebody gonna say the name of
the school. But but you got to give me more
than just say everybody does it. I mean, I just
think that's totally a cop out to give Jim Harbar.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Michigan a pass.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
And I don't think that that's that's that's uh, that's cool,
or that's that's okay to do because and I brought
up the and I'd ask Brady Quinn, what well you
mean to tell me Bill Belichick, who's won six Super Bowls,
he's the coach that they that they find and gave
the levy the highest fine for coach in NFL history.
That's the guy that came after Well then and then
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it's and then it's and then Josh McDaniels is the
other guy who was on his staff, Chris that.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Got busted that that, like.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You said, I think a follow up, if you're in
that discussion with Brady Quinn, you can say, well, I mean,
you know he's not gonna name the schools. You can
ask him that. He obviously wouldn't name them, but you
can say why why do you think then they're only
going after Harbor, right? Like, maybe there's an answer. I
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don't know, but just press it a little bit because look, Brady,
as you said, everybody knows he was defending urban mayor
and he does have a history of kind of caping
up for the college guys.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
And so when you have that image, then you do
have to.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Come with a little more detail because exactly otherwise gonna think, Man, come.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
On, you're just saying this because this is this is
what this is.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
But Brady Quinn defending college football no matter what goes on,
and you just got to get away from that, that's all.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
And Brady, listen to a show.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Brady Quinn knows more about college football than I can
ever imagine, But I'm talking about it. When you're putting
out information and just poo pooing an investigation, you just
got to give me more to make me want to
believe other than coach. Of course, other coaches aren't going
to talk about it because they probably have some other violations.
You don't want to have people snooping around. And the
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easiest way to do it, Chris, is to draw attention
to yourself.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Right, So that's the.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Reason you're not guilt, right, Maybe you know you just
you might be doing right, You just don't want to
draw attention to yourself from investigators.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So I get that. And it's a fraternity.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
And most of the time coaches don't point out each other, right,
it's a fraternity. There's so few people who do that
job in America.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
It's like what Chris and I do.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
How many guys have national radio shows in the country
on a sports network. There might be twenty or thirty
guys between US and ESPN.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Right, that's it.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Out of a country at three hundred and thirty million,
do we spend our time talking about what somebody on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
SAIDs Generally don't even go after it. We don't. We
don't even do that our job. It's not our job.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
But in this case, I'm just saying, you cannot pooh
pooh what's going on in Michigan. And with all of
these details and the camera and the credit cards, Chris,
this is credible. This isn't like, Hey, maybe you know
he was at a game or they got all the paper.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
They know there's no guy the only I mean, let
me ask you this what I said. If this is
let's just say for the sake of argument, it is
happening all over the place. Do you agree with me
that you still get punished, but it changes the degree
the magnitude of the punishment.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yeah, and they really deem it as not the end
of the world. And right if it is. But it's
like the speeding ticket Chris, Right, people are speeding, but
the people get caught usually have to do that.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You pay a five pack, right, but you don't. You
don't lose your car and go to Jai. I mean,
So that's what I mean by the degree of it.
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Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, following last night's Game seven where the Rangers beat
the Astros and everybody's congratulating, Bruce Bochi came out of
retirement to get them back to the World Series and
he wanted up to a bigger conversation. And this was
during the post game. He said, you know, Bruce Bochie
and Dusty Baker are kind of the last of a
dime breed in Major League Baseball. Managers these days are
not quote unquote baseball guys anymore. They're analytics.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
And they had Buck Showalter too, but he got fired,
you know, from the Mets, who right the other one?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
And so here's what he said in the post and
wish we had to sound what we don't to me.
It starts at the top with Chris Young talking about
the Rangers brought back as manager who was pushed out
of San Francisco, sat on the counch for three years
and then got Mike Maddix and so on and so forth.
So baseball people's coming back. This is a trend I
think is going to continue to happen in baseball.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
This is why I'm not so sure that Alex is
right there, because there.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Aren't that many old school managers left. Chris.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
They're they're all old, Like who's they're not how many
Bruce Bochie's are sitting around that other guys are gonna
run out and go get Now. Now, you might get
away from all the analytics and try to get guys,
you know, who have a feel for the game.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
But to go and think like you're gonna go and
and find these.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
Loopanella, Jim Leland, all these guys, Chris all that, there's
nobody name me another old guy sitting him up buck
Buck just got fired from the Mets. I don't think
he's getting another job, you know what I mean. Like, so,
so I'm looking around. I understand what he's saying, and
I hope that he's made Basically that they're that they're
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gonna go with managers who have a feel for the
game more so than just looking at stats and be
saying that I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
With that that'd be great.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
But to your point, Rob, the next generation of managers
are going to be guys trained in the analytics way
of doing it right, even if they're players, Rob, if
they're former players that you know, they're going to be
guys that came up one hundred percent of most that
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made decisions analytically. And we've always been, you know, consistent
about this. We are not saying analytics doesn't have a
place in all these sports. They do, but they should
not be the end all be all. They should be
a part of the equation. And sometimes you go with
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the analytics and sometimes you go with your gut in
your field.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I think that's the ideal manager out.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
It's good to have, right, It's good to have the numbers,
Chris to say, you know, I'm thinking about pinch hitting
this guy right or taking him out, and then you look,
he's two for twelve against this guy. My gut was right,
you know, to take him out right, like or he
doesn't hit, or he's batting one fifteen against lefties. I
need to get him out of the lineup and put
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somebody else in that. Like you have your gut and
then you look at the numbers. You know what, I
want to take this guy out. I don't think he's
gonna get it hit off this left heam Wait a minute,
and his last twenty at bats against lefties bat three
seventy five. No, like, that's what I would like a
manager to use it, not to just be like, well,
a left he's coming in, he's a lefty batter.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
He's coming out regardless.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
He just had four hits Chris in the game, and
you're taking him out because it's lefty against left right right.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
That's where it's wrong, no, no doubt. And I think
the thing is even.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I mean, there will be a few individuals who buck
the system rob but for the most part, players even
ones that may think as we do. Many of them,
not maybe not all, but many of them will say, well,
you know what, I don't really agree with this, but
if I want to get a job as a manager,
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this is how you got to do it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Some there there would be some that stand up and
say I'm going to still coach by feel along with
the analytics, but most will just go ahead with what's
getting guys hired, and so yeah, it'd be I hope
a Rod's right but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It don't be the case. I just don't know where
the guys are.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
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Speaker 3 (16:25):
All right, Rob, last night.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
We had a foot Monday night game that you said
it you You took the Vikings and the points and
you won money because they gave you more than the points.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
They won the game, right right. I just thought that
they would cover.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
You know what I mean that what was the spread
was the seven seven points which on the road, just
just thinking that the forty nine ers would bounce back
after their bad right after their bad clements to Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, and they did anything but Vikings win twenty two
to seventeen. And look the forty nine ers vaunted defense
was horrific.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Kirk Cousins looked like Captain Kirk I.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Cannot space age right, thank you? Like it was from
another world, right, I mean, he was Rob. That might
have been the best game of his career. I mean primetime.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
I was gonna say he played so poorly in prime
time it was shocking to watch.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Three hundred and seventy eight yards, passing two touchdowns, a pick,
thirty five for forty five.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
But he was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And you know, we know the Niners have a great defense,
but last night they just they had nothing to.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
We talked about it earlier, Chris. They couldn't stop them
on third down. I mean, no, you know that was
that was the buggaboo all night.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yep, they only stopped they only forced one punt.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Rob, So I thought that defense was the Niners' biggest problem.
I thought brock Purty played solid, not great, but he
played a solid game through the first three quarters and
then in the fourth quarter he fell apart, had two
picks in the last five and a half minutes, finished
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twenty one for thirty two hundred seventy two yards. That's
seventy percent nine point one yards per attempt.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
So that's what I mean by he was playing well.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
But again he has the two interceptions late, only throws
for one touchdown and coming off the Cleveland game, which
was really the worst game of his career, Rob in
that when he was twelve for twenty seven, one hundred
and twenty five yards, one touchdown, one pick. So last
two games he's got two touchdowns, three interceptions.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
After their blowout.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Of Dallas when they were five and zero, I thought
he was the MVP at that point. Some people were
saying he was like Joe Montana of bringing up Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
The hype was through the roof.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
And now there are some people certainly stepping off that bandwagon,
if not saying he's fu gayzy altogether. So what is
your take on rock Purdy at this point?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Now?
Speaker 6 (19:17):
I think this is the other shoot that was gonna
drop eventually because people kept saying and that's why all
that stuff was premature. Chris and as well as he
played and no one's taking that away from him, it
was still less than the season. One full season at
this point, he hasn't even started twelve games. He's ten
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and right, okay, like it's just not enough. They're just
not enough to be able to crown anybody from that
amount of time. And this is what we kept talking of.
This is what I was saying to fans about that
at some point, like he could play well during the
regular season, if he has a bad game in the playoffs,
they lose or whatever. People say, see, I know, oh
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he's not that guy or whatever, because it's so hard
to believe that everybody got it wrong, that you're the
last pick of the NFL. Everybody missed on you. Nobody
knew what you were doing, even though there was film
on you.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Even though that.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
People could do all the research and get a diamond
in the rough. We talk about it and how in
the world did NFL scouts miss it so badly? And
I'm not sitting here telling you he's a bomb. He
can't play, but I think what we've seen the last
couple of weeks, we might start to see, especially if
he doesn't have all of his weapons. Last night, for
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forty nine Ers fans, they had to be sick to
see him throw two picks Chris in the final five
and a half minutes in a game that they had
a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You know, yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I think, look, he's already had some good playoff games,
you know, his debut against Seattle.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
No, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
I'm saying but once they if they don't get to
where they're supposed to, or they lose, or they lose
in the super Bowl, because he has two picks, they'll
always go back.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Because because he wasn't a blue Chipper, They'll always go
back to that.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Rather than saying I'm not saying everybody, Chris, I'm saying
some people will always go back to that. See I
told you he really wasn't that guy, or he fooled
us all this time and when it really came down
to it, he couldn't make the plays that we needed
to win the Super Bowl. Not fair or unfair. I
think it's unfair, but that's what the narrative would be.
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If he doesn't finish the job, play really well during
the regular season, and don't win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I think there'll be some of that for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I mean at this point, and again I do think
it's too early to call him elite, but he if
he ribbed with what he did, winning his first ten games,
having the highest passer rating in the history of the league.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
To your point, if he had been.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
First or even second round pick, I think people would
have been praising him to high heaven, like if Trey
Lance had done what Brock Purdy is a Hall of
Famer in the future, and so I agree with you there,
but I think I would say this, it shouldn't be
and I'm not trying to rip NFL scouts because obviously
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they get they know more about the game than we do.
We're not saying that that's not true, but they get
and they get a lot right, but they also get
a lot wrong. And Rob, we've done it before, but
I mean JaMarcus Russell, Court, Cardel Jones, Marcus Marrio to
Sam Darnold, Zach Wason.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
We could go on and.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
On about the top picks Josh Rose and a tenth
pick that have not panned out, and so it's not
that difficult, especially when you look at the Tom Brady
and even a Dak Prescott who was a fourth round pick.
You know, guys that weren't expected to do anything and
have turned out to be really good quarterbacks. And we
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could name even more than those two. So I don't
really hold it against him that he was mister Irrelevant.
But you know, I actually think, Rob, that this is
actually good for him. Now it may drowning, he may
get expelled. I don't think so. I believe in him
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to be at least a good quarterback, but this stretch
of games that he's going through I think will kind
of make or break him in that regard. Because Rob,
you knew adversity was coming right. I mean it was
just too easy. It came too fast. First ten games
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he starts, he wins, he beats Tom Brady, he wins
two playoff games. Throws for three hundred yards and three
touchdowns in his first playoff game, has the highest passer
rating in the history a football And as I said,
people comparing him to Montana and Brady, like it was
just everything was he touched, was turning the goal last night,
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Rob was his first game with two interceptions.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
And so I think he needs to go through this
because you talked about.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Getting the Niners where they want to go, which is
of course winning.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
The Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
That's not gonna be easy. And so he needs some adversity.
I don't just mean endgame that too, but I mean
he needs to show what he's made of and this
is the opportunity for him to do that.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
So this will make or break him.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I think it'll make him in terms of him being
a good quarterback. But this is something that he's gonna
have to go through rock because everybody's gone through it.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Yeah, everybody does go through it, and people struggle or whatever.
I just think that he's on a different He's just
in a different on a different island, Quisch, because even
when you talk about the guys who you know were
number one picks or top picks and they failed or
things didn't go you know, their way, or they had
a bad career, it just wasn't a guy who that
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many people overlooked, you know, to to I mean, was
a sixth round pick.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
No, I know, but even he has one more round. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
But if you even look at Brady, look at what
he really did at Michigan. You remember he lost the
job to Drew Henson. I mean, like right, but that's
what I'm saying, like like he didn't do anything in
college to where I think.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
People should have thought of Brady any higher. And especially
I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I mean Pardy was solid, he was good at ioways stay,
but his numbers aren't eye popping either.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
No, no, no, no, right, And I'm just saying like there's
to me. I just get to feel like he's playing
a different hand because of his background. And people are
waiting I see on Twitter and everything, like they go
at him as soon as he has bad games. Oh yeah,
because people don't really want to believe in him yet.
And I think the only way people will believe in him,
(26:04):
and I notice is harsh. It's for him to win
the Super Bowl. I think anything less than that he
can play well if he doesn't have, if he has
bad games or they losing the playoffs, in the NFC
Championship game or losing the super Bowl, and he plays
poorly or has a bad game, it will come back
to him.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
And not just because of where his beginnings come from.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I think it's that I agree with you that because
he was mister relevant, not a big name out of college. People, Look,
it is a higher bar for you to prove, you
know the people that you're legit.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I give you that.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
And I also think rob just the fact that the
Niners have already been to the Super Bowl with Jimmy
g Right and so it's not getting there is not enough.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
They're going to have to win it.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
They have to win and for him to be the
quarterback on that team. That's the only thing they're gonna
accept to say, you know what I mean like that
that they are at that point and at fair or unfair,
I think that's where he is.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
He's pigeonholed into that nick right throughout on first things.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
First to day, he did throw out an idea that
I thought was a great one because even as I
like brock Purty and believe in him, but he said,
because you know, Rob, you saw kirk Cousins last night.
You know his relationship with Kyle Shanahan from Washington and
the Vikings. I mean, now they might actually be putting
(27:33):
something together. But he was talking about the Niners trading
for maybe brock.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Purty for kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
If the if the Vikings want to go in a
whole different direction, kirk Cousins, Rob on that Niners team.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
As much as I like.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Purdy, there's no doubt kirk Cousins is better. I love
that idea. If I'm the Niners, and certainly.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
UH Minnesota won't do anything until until the seasons.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
You know, like they know that they're out of it.
But they're three.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Well now they're they're now right, They're they're the A
seed right now, Robin.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
That's what I'm sorry in the in the n f.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
CFC that I don't they're not a I don't they're
they're not a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
But could they make the playoffs yet?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Rob, They're going to battle a team in the n
f C UH North South for that seventh playoff spot.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I believe, I believe.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I believe there's five surefire playoff teams in the NFC Dallas, Philly, UH,
San Francisco, Detroit, and then whoever wins the n f
C South and then if you throw in Seattle, that's
six rob So I think they Minnesota should battle whoever
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that second team is in that n f C side.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I mean, maybe the Rams. I don't know, do they
get in there, but that's who they'll they'll be.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
They should be in the h in that race, so
maybe that would keep them from trading cousins.
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
All Right, Baseball Justice with David Justice coming up at
the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Rob, there are a few more developments.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We've been following and talking about this scandal at Michigan
with Jim Harbaugh and his coaching staff. Rob G kind
of update us on the latest.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Well, actually, we had more news come down here in
the last maybe ten minutes or so. According what happened
according to multiple outlets, now it turns out that Connor
Stallion is the employee in question on the Michigan coaching
staff purchase tickets to scout several games outside of the
Big Ten, including against Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia in preparation for
(01:07):
any playoff games that may be involved. And that's the
latest is in the last ten minutes now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
There was talk though Brady Quinn on the show here
on Fox Sports Radio Two Pros and a Cup of
Joe with LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox, and they talk
Brady has said that this type of thing is commonplace
in college sports.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Is I believe that's what he said here, he is verbatim.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
The whole thing seems really fishy, every little piece of it.
And I know there's probably Ohio State fans that are like, oh,
it's Michigan, they cheat it. It's like, well, be careful,
be careful now, all right. I'm just telling you a
lot of coaches that I've talked to don't want to
talk about it or make any pubulic accusations for a reason.
For a reason, and anyone who's out there says all
(02:00):
this doesn't go on, it's just Michigan. They're lying to you,
or they're ignorant to how the game of football is today,
at least at the college level.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Rob That goes along with what Paul find But I
remember I was talking yesterday about he said something on
ESPN where he was like, it feels like they're just
the n CLA is going after hardball. Because he didn't
cooperate to their liking, you know, with the earlier investigation
regarding him. That kind of sounds like something similar to
(02:32):
what Brady Quinn is saying.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
But go ahead, Yeah, I got pushback on Brady Quinn.
And just because see this is the problem that I have.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
He was a college football star. He knows a lot
of people in college football. That's his job. He talks
to people, and the same thing. You know, what happens
is you feel like you gotta protect people and you
gotta be like, you know, like Urban Meyer.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You wanted to protect Urban Meyer despite what was going on.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
How you did whether you like Urban or not. I
don't have anything against him, but it was hard to
defend this.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Then that's what I'm saying, Chris.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I'm not saying you got to bury the goud, but
you can't defend some of the stuff. And this is
again I don't know what his relationship is with Jim Harbaugh,
but to totally pooh pooh.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Now, if he wants to.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Say to me, I have evidence that Alabama does this,
and I and I have evidence that some.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Other schools don't.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
They do it as well, Chris, and you want to
give it to me like that, and the NCAA has
turned their heads.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Now.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
I want to listen to Brady Quinn, but just to
say that everybody does it. No, you show me another
school where you have an employee who's buying tickets Chris
at these games, which is against NCAA rules.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Show me.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
I'm not saying that people don't try to get edges,
but Michigan got card so far up according to the
evidence that I've seen, and they still have to have
their day, you know, and with the NCAAA and court
or whatever you want to call it, you know, but
to just throw a blanket, it's like, well, everybody cheats
on their taxes. No, everybody doesn't cheat on their taxes.
(04:18):
And Brady Quinn can say that. Can you imagine if
Brady Quinn when he's in college, played in the National
Championship Game and found out that the other school had
his signals, Chris, and they lost. Don't tell me everybody's
cool with that. Bill Belichick is the only NFL head
coach Chris that I know that was fined a half
a million dollars for fine and lost draft picks for
(04:41):
recording signals. Nobody else and the other guy who got
busted was is now the is Josh McDaniels, and it
cost him his job in Denver.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Those are the only two coaches I know. And I'm
not saying I'm not.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Blind or or or over in my eyes that stuff
don't go on, Chris, But you just can't throw a
blanket and make an excuse for Michigan that everybody does it.
And that's his that's his claim, is that everybody who
Brady Quinn.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Named is not gonna say that. Well, then that's my point.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
He's not gonna say name the schools. But I will
say this, and I agree with your points about you.
You know, you would rather have something definitive than just
even if he says it's stronger because basically the way
he said it was that from talking to coaches, they
you know, they kind of say, like, this happens a lot,
(05:40):
and there's a reason the coaches are doing it. Even
if he were to come out rib and say, look,
I know, be on the shadow of a doubt that
most of the teams in the top twenty five do this,
they do this, what Michigan's doing is not uncommon in
the least bit, that's a stronger statement what I'll say
is this, and I don't know if it's common.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Practice or if it's only Michigan.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
If it is common practice, like if basically most of
the teams are doing this, it's well known and it's
you know, the coaches don't think, you know, it's a
big deal that what Michigan is being accused of. Then
I don't think that gets Michigan off the hook. I
(06:26):
think they should still be punished, but I do think
it changes the degree of the punishment. Like I said
when we talked about it last week when it first
came down, if it's true, Harbass should be stripped of
his victories that.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Were related to this and suspended for the rest of
the year.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Now, if everybody's doing it, I would not go that far.
I think it should be more like a fine. It
doesn't excuse you that everybody does it, But to me,
it does change the degree of the punishment if if
again if no, if they're the only ones doing it,
then I think that gives them much bigger advantage. And
(07:08):
so that's how I look at it. It's just like this,
just like but if it's you know, if it's everybody
doing it's like it's not that big of a deal.
Then it just changes the degree of punishment.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I just think you have a better argument if you're
Brady Quinn and you want to give me examples that
that that's all. Give me examples and hey, here's some detail,
give me some d's. Somebody gonna say the name of
the school. But but you got to give me more
than just say everybody does it. I mean, I just
think that's totally a cop out to give Jim Harbar.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Michigan a pass.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
And I don't think that that's that's that's uh, that's cool,
or that's that's okay to do because and I brought
up the and I'd ask Brady Quinn, what well you
mean to tell me Bill Belichick, who's won six Super Bowls,
he's the coach that they that they find and gave
the levy the highest fine for coach in NFL history.
That's the guy that came after Well then and then
(08:02):
it's and then it's and then Josh McDaniels is the
other guy who was on his staff, Chris that.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Got busted that that, like.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You said, I think a follow up, if you're in
that discussion with Brady Quinn, you can say, well, I mean,
you know he's not gonna name the schools. You can
ask him that. He obviously wouldn't name them, but you
can say why why do you think then they're only
going after Harbor, right? Like, maybe there's an answer. I
(08:29):
don't know, but just press it a little bit because look, Brady,
as you said, everybody knows he was defending urban mayor
and he does have a history of kind of caping
up for the college guys.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
And so when you have that image, then you do
have to.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Come with a little more detail because exactly otherwise gonna think, Man, come.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
On, you're just saying this because this is this is
what this is.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
But Brady Quinn defending college football no matter what goes on,
and you just got to get away from that, that's all.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
And Brady, listen to a show.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Brady Quinn knows more about college football than I can
ever imagine, But I'm talking about it. When you're putting
out information and just poo pooing an investigation, you just
got to give me more to make me want to
believe other than coach. Of course, other coaches aren't going
to talk about it because they probably have some other violations.
You don't want to have people snooping around. And the
(09:22):
easiest way to do it, Chris, is to draw attention
to yourself.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Right, So that's the.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Reason you're not guilt, right, Maybe you know you just
you might be doing right, You just don't want to
draw attention to yourself from investigators.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So I get that. And it's a fraternity.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
And most of the time coaches don't point out each other, right,
it's a fraternity. There's so few people who do that
job in America.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
It's like what Chris and I do.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
How many guys have national radio shows in the country
on a sports network. There might be twenty or thirty
guys between US and ESPN.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Right, that's it.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Out of a country at three hundred and thirty million,
do we spend our time talking about what somebody on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
SAIDs Generally don't even go after it. We don't. We
don't even do that our job. It's not our job.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
But in this case, I'm just saying, you cannot pooh
pooh what's going on in Michigan. And with all of
these details and the camera and the credit cards, Chris,
this is credible. This isn't like, Hey, maybe you know
he was at a game or they got all the paper.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
They know there's no guy the only I mean, let
me ask you this what I said. If this is
let's just say for the sake of argument, it is
happening all over the place. Do you agree with me
that you still get punished, but it changes the degree
the magnitude of the punishment.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yeah, and they really deem it as not the end
of the world. And right if it is. But it's
like the speeding ticket Chris, Right, people are speeding, but
the people get caught usually have to do that.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You pay a five pack, right, but you don't. You
don't lose your car and go to Jai. I mean,
So that's what I mean by the degree of it.
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was talking about Alex Rodriguez.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, following last night's Game seven where the Rangers beat
the Astros and everybody's congratulating, Bruce Bochi came out of
retirement to get them back to the World Series and
he wanted up to a bigger conversation. And this was
during the post game. He said, you know, Bruce Bochie
and Dusty Baker are kind of the last of a
dime breed in Major League Baseball. Managers these days are
not quote unquote baseball guys anymore. They're analytics.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
And they had Buck Showalter too, but he got fired,
you know, from the Mets, who right the other one?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
And so here's what he said in the post and
wish we had to sound what we don't to me.
It starts at the top with Chris Young talking about
the Rangers brought back as manager who was pushed out
of San Francisco, sat on the counch for three years
and then got Mike Maddix and so on and so forth.
So baseball people's coming back. This is a trend I
think is going to continue to happen in baseball.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
This is why I'm not so sure that Alex is
right there, because there.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Aren't that many old school managers left. Chris.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
They're they're all old, Like who's they're not how many
Bruce Bochie's are sitting around that other guys are gonna
run out and go get Now. Now, you might get
away from all the analytics and try to get guys,
you know, who have a feel for the game.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
But to go and think like you're gonna go and
and find these.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
Loopanella, Jim Leland, all these guys, Chris all that, there's
nobody name me another old guy sitting him up buck
Buck just got fired from the Mets. I don't think
he's getting another job, you know what I mean. Like, so,
so I'm looking around. I understand what he's saying, and
I hope that he's made Basically that they're that they're
(13:34):
gonna go with managers who have a feel for the
game more so than just looking at stats and be
saying that I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
With that that'd be great.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
But to your point, Rob, the next generation of managers
are going to be guys trained in the analytics way
of doing it right, even if they're players, Rob, if
they're former players that you know, they're going to be
guys that came up one hundred percent of most that
(14:04):
made decisions analytically. And we've always been, you know, consistent
about this. We are not saying analytics doesn't have a
place in all these sports. They do, but they should
not be the end all be all. They should be
a part of the equation. And sometimes you go with
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the analytics and sometimes you go with your gut in
your field.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I think that's the ideal manager out.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
It's good to have, right, It's good to have the numbers,
Chris to say, you know, I'm thinking about pinch hitting
this guy right or taking him out, and then you look,
he's two for twelve against this guy. My gut was right,
you know, to take him out right, like or he
doesn't hit, or he's batting one fifteen against lefties. I
need to get him out of the lineup and put
(14:52):
somebody else in that. Like you have your gut and
then you look at the numbers. You know what, I
want to take this guy out. I don't think he's
gonna get it hit off this left heam Wait a minute,
and his last twenty at bats against lefties bat three
seventy five. No, like, that's what I would like a
manager to use it, not to just be like, well,
a left he's coming in, he's a lefty batter.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
He's coming out regardless.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
He just had four hits Chris in the game, and
you're taking him out because it's lefty against left right right.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
That's where it's wrong, no, no doubt. And I think
the thing is even.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I mean, there will be a few individuals who buck
the system rob but for the most part, players even
ones that may think as we do. Many of them,
not maybe not all, but many of them will say, well,
you know what, I don't really agree with this, but
if I want to get a job as a manager,
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this is how you got to do it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Some there there would be some that stand up and
say I'm going to still coach by feel along with
the analytics, but most will just go ahead with what's
getting guys hired, and so yeah, it'd be I hope
a Rod's right but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It don't be the case. I just don't know where
the guys are.
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Speaker 3 (16:25):
All right, Rob, last night.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
We had a foot Monday night game that you said
it you You took the Vikings and the points and
you won money because they gave you more than the points.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
They won the game, right right. I just thought that
they would cover.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
You know what I mean that what was the spread
was the seven seven points which on the road, just
just thinking that the forty nine ers would bounce back
after their bad right after their bad clements to Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, and they did anything but Vikings win twenty two
to seventeen. And look the forty nine ers vaunted defense
was horrific.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Kirk Cousins looked like Captain Kirk I.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Cannot space age right, thank you? Like it was from
another world, right, I mean, he was Rob. That might
have been the best game of his career. I mean primetime.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
I was gonna say he played so poorly in prime
time it was shocking to watch.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Three hundred and seventy eight yards, passing two touchdowns, a pick,
thirty five for forty five.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
But he was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And you know, we know the Niners have a great defense,
but last night they just they had nothing to.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
We talked about it earlier, Chris. They couldn't stop them
on third down. I mean, no, you know that was
that was the buggaboo all night.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yep, they only stopped they only forced one punt.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Rob, So I thought that defense was the Niners' biggest problem.
I thought brock Purty played solid, not great, but he
played a solid game through the first three quarters and
then in the fourth quarter he fell apart, had two
picks in the last five and a half minutes, finished
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twenty one for thirty two hundred seventy two yards. That's
seventy percent nine point one yards per attempt.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
So that's what I mean by he was playing well.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
But again he has the two interceptions late, only throws
for one touchdown and coming off the Cleveland game, which
was really the worst game of his career, Rob in
that when he was twelve for twenty seven, one hundred
and twenty five yards, one touchdown, one pick. So last
two games he's got two touchdowns, three interceptions.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
After their blowout.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Of Dallas when they were five and zero, I thought
he was the MVP at that point. Some people were
saying he was like Joe Montana of bringing up Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
The hype was through the roof.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
And now there are some people certainly stepping off that bandwagon,
if not saying he's fu gayzy altogether. So what is
your take on rock Purdy at this point?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Now?
Speaker 6 (19:17):
I think this is the other shoot that was gonna
drop eventually because people kept saying and that's why all
that stuff was premature. Chris and as well as he
played and no one's taking that away from him, it
was still less than the season. One full season at
this point, he hasn't even started twelve games. He's ten
(19:37):
and right, okay, like it's just not enough. They're just
not enough to be able to crown anybody from that
amount of time. And this is what we kept talking of.
This is what I was saying to fans about that
at some point, like he could play well during the
regular season, if he has a bad game in the playoffs,
they lose or whatever. People say, see, I know, oh
(20:00):
he's not that guy or whatever, because it's so hard
to believe that everybody got it wrong, that you're the
last pick of the NFL. Everybody missed on you. Nobody
knew what you were doing, even though there was film
on you.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Even though that.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
People could do all the research and get a diamond
in the rough. We talk about it and how in
the world did NFL scouts miss it so badly? And
I'm not sitting here telling you he's a bomb. He
can't play, but I think what we've seen the last
couple of weeks, we might start to see, especially if
he doesn't have all of his weapons. Last night, for
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forty nine Ers fans, they had to be sick to
see him throw two picks Chris in the final five
and a half minutes in a game that they had
a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You know, yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I think, look, he's already had some good playoff games,
you know, his debut against Seattle.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
No, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
I'm saying but once they if they don't get to
where they're supposed to, or they lose, or they lose
in the super Bowl, because he has two picks, they'll
always go back.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Because because he wasn't a blue Chipper, They'll always go
back to that.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Rather than saying I'm not saying everybody, Chris, I'm saying
some people will always go back to that. See I
told you he really wasn't that guy, or he fooled
us all this time and when it really came down
to it, he couldn't make the plays that we needed
to win the Super Bowl. Not fair or unfair. I
think it's unfair, but that's what the narrative would be.
(21:32):
If he doesn't finish the job, play really well during
the regular season, and don't win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I think there'll be some of that for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I mean at this point, and again I do think
it's too early to call him elite, but he if
he ribbed with what he did, winning his first ten games,
having the highest passer rating in the history of the league.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
To your point, if he had been.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
First or even second round pick, I think people would
have been praising him to high heaven, like if Trey
Lance had done what Brock Purdy is a Hall of
Famer in the future, and so I agree with you there,
but I think I would say this, it shouldn't be
and I'm not trying to rip NFL scouts because obviously
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they get they know more about the game than we do.
We're not saying that that's not true, but they get
and they get a lot right, but they also get
a lot wrong. And Rob, we've done it before, but
I mean JaMarcus Russell, Court, Cardel Jones, Marcus Marrio to
Sam Darnold, Zach Wason.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
We could go on and.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
On about the top picks Josh Rose and a tenth
pick that have not panned out, and so it's not
that difficult, especially when you look at the Tom Brady
and even a Dak Prescott who was a fourth round pick.
You know, guys that weren't expected to do anything and
have turned out to be really good quarterbacks. And we
(23:03):
could name even more than those two. So I don't
really hold it against him that he was mister Irrelevant.
But you know, I actually think, Rob, that this is
actually good for him. Now it may drowning, he may
get expelled. I don't think so. I believe in him
(23:25):
to be at least a good quarterback, but this stretch
of games that he's going through I think will kind
of make or break him in that regard. Because Rob,
you knew adversity was coming right. I mean it was
just too easy. It came too fast. First ten games
(23:47):
he starts, he wins, he beats Tom Brady, he wins
two playoff games. Throws for three hundred yards and three
touchdowns in his first playoff game, has the highest passer
rating in the history a football And as I said,
people comparing him to Montana and Brady, like it was
just everything was he touched, was turning the goal last night,
(24:10):
Rob was his first game with two interceptions.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
And so I think he needs to go through this
because you talked about.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Getting the Niners where they want to go, which is
of course winning.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
The Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
That's not gonna be easy. And so he needs some adversity.
I don't just mean endgame that too, but I mean
he needs to show what he's made of and this
is the opportunity for him to do that.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
So this will make or break him.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I think it'll make him in terms of him being
a good quarterback. But this is something that he's gonna
have to go through rock because everybody's gone through it.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Yeah, everybody does go through it, and people struggle or whatever.
I just think that he's on a different He's just
in a different on a different island, Quisch, because even
when you talk about the guys who you know were
number one picks or top picks and they failed or
things didn't go you know, their way, or they had
a bad career, it just wasn't a guy who that
(25:11):
many people overlooked, you know, to to I mean, was
a sixth round pick.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
No, I know, but even he has one more round. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
But if you even look at Brady, look at what
he really did at Michigan. You remember he lost the
job to Drew Henson. I mean, like right, but that's
what I'm saying, like like he didn't do anything in
college to where I think.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
People should have thought of Brady any higher. And especially
I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I mean Pardy was solid, he was good at ioways stay,
but his numbers aren't eye popping either.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
No, no, no, no, right, And I'm just saying like there's
to me. I just get to feel like he's playing
a different hand because of his background. And people are
waiting I see on Twitter and everything, like they go
at him as soon as he has bad games. Oh yeah,
because people don't really want to believe in him yet.
And I think the only way people will believe in him,
(26:04):
and I notice is harsh. It's for him to win
the Super Bowl. I think anything less than that he
can play well if he doesn't have, if he has
bad games or they losing the playoffs, in the NFC
Championship game or losing the super Bowl, and he plays
poorly or has a bad game, it will come back
to him.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
And not just because of where his beginnings come from.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I think it's that I agree with you that because
he was mister relevant, not a big name out of college. People, Look,
it is a higher bar for you to prove, you
know the people that you're legit.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I give you that.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
And I also think rob just the fact that the
Niners have already been to the Super Bowl with Jimmy
g Right and so it's not getting there is not enough.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
They're going to have to win it.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
They have to win and for him to be the
quarterback on that team. That's the only thing they're gonna
accept to say, you know what I mean like that
that they are at that point and at fair or unfair,
I think that's where he is.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
He's pigeonholed into that nick right throughout on first things.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
First to day, he did throw out an idea that
I thought was a great one because even as I
like brock Purty and believe in him, but he said,
because you know, Rob, you saw kirk Cousins last night.
You know his relationship with Kyle Shanahan from Washington and
the Vikings. I mean, now they might actually be putting
(27:33):
something together. But he was talking about the Niners trading
for maybe brock.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Purty for kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
If the if the Vikings want to go in a
whole different direction, kirk Cousins, Rob on that Niners team.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
As much as I like.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Purdy, there's no doubt kirk Cousins is better. I love
that idea. If I'm the Niners, and certainly.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
UH Minnesota won't do anything until until the seasons.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
You know, like they know that they're out of it.
But they're three.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Well now they're they're now right, They're they're the A
seed right now, Robin.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
That's what I'm sorry in the in the n f.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
CFC that I don't they're not a I don't they're
they're not a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
But could they make the playoffs yet?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Rob, They're going to battle a team in the n
f C UH North South for that seventh playoff spot.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I believe, I believe.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I believe there's five surefire playoff teams in the NFC Dallas, Philly, UH,
San Francisco, Detroit, and then whoever wins the n f
C South and then if you throw in Seattle, that's
six rob So I think they Minnesota should battle whoever
(28:55):
that second team is in that n f C side.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I mean, maybe the Rams. I don't know, do they
get in there, but that's who they'll they'll be.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
They should be in the h in that race, so
maybe that would keep them from trading cousins.
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