December 23, 2023 • 33 mins
Chris and Rob discuss the narrative that Brock Purdy is only great because of the situation that he's in (similar to what has been said about Draymond Green), explain why Shaquille O'Neal is wrong when he suggests that Steph Curry belongs in the GOAT conversation and debate whether or not Yoshinobu Yamamoto sold himself short by teaming up with Shohei Ohtani in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
We were talking about the MVP race in the first
hour Rock Party versus Lamar Jackson. They're one and two
Party to favorite right now and Lamar Jackson number two,
and very different circumstances for both of them. Lamar huge star,
Heisman Trophy winner in college and already has an MVP.
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Is the focal point of his offense, makes it go,
but numbers aren't very huge. Rock Party, mister irrelevant, the
last player chosen. You know, played at Iowa State, was good,
but you know, didn't like the world on fire and
thrown in last year as a starter due to injury
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and has been great since then. Statistically, he's having the
best year of any quarterback in the NFL UH and
he's played great in the biggest games he's actually been
possibly better, probably better in the big games that he
has in some of the games against lesser teams. So uh,
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those are the two front runners at least right now
with three weeks left for the MVP. But a lot
of people, Rob, including you, still have big questions about
Rock Party tell us where you're at on him.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
It's it's the same thing talked about over and over.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
I don't deny his numbers or have any issue with
him because he's mister irrelevant. It's still like all of
the you know what, I guess, let me think about
it this way and maybe get help me to hear.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Rock Purty is Draymond Green. You know we talked Is
that not crazy? Chris?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
No, because we talked about whether or not.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
He's a system quarterback last week on First Things First,
and I didn't say that, but.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
That thought came to my mind.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, because because mind we think you and I think
is undoubtedly like would not be that he's gonna be
a Hall of Fame right But if.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
He was, if he went to a bad team or
a different team, Chris, he would not have the career
that he's had. He would not be elevated to like
you say going into the Hall of Fame, he's he
wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I could almost. We don't know, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But yeah, most people hold that opinion, and I agree
with you.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And I think the Brock party is Draymond Green and
all of these things. He's in the perfect situation, a
perfect compliment of player that he still has to deliver
the ball, Chris. He still has to make decisions, he
still has to play. So noone's saying like he's not
doing anything, but it's like the cake batter has been mixed.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Put it in the oven.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
You know, It's like can I like, like, it's just
put it in the oven.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
And that's where he is. And I'm telling you, I
still believe this that if he has a bad game
anywhere Chris Playoff game, they get knocked out, NFC Championship game,
they get knocked out, Super Bowl, he doesn't make the
play those a bad pa whatever. It is, the only
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way people will be able to validate him and his
career and what he's done is if he is the reason.
And what I mean by that obviously the other players
are playing, but he plays really well and they win
a Super Bowl and then I think all of that
is a race. As soon as there's a misstep, just
like we saw in the middle of the season with
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the three losses Chris, when there was a misstep and
when he wasn't winning and one playing like he had played,
the Wolves came for him. They did, and they will
come for him in the postseason as well if he
doesn't perform.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Is it fair? No, it's not fair. But that when you.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Agree with me, or do you agree with me that
if he were again even a fourth round pick or
Dak's a fourth round pick, that people wouldn't have these
questions about him.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
That that would help, that that would definitely help.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I would be lying if I said that it doesn't
matter because we talked about Kurt Warner and we I
don't know, not too many people mention this because we
talk about it a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Because I think it's relevant. It's very relevant. It really is.
When people say very good compared right, when people.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Say, oh, well, they're just doing Kirk Wanner wasn't even drafted,
so forget about being mister irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
This guy was bagging gross vision one in northern Iowa.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's not even Iowa state, right, and the Awa state Yeah,
he played Northern Iowan.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So so and and he went and had an unbelievable year.
Chris led the Rams to a super Bowl. The rest
is history. Like his season was undenied. And there were
other great players on that uh uh team.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
At Marshall falk right and and and the receiving corps.
I think Tory Holt was on that team who we've
had on the show, was a tremendous receiver when they
won the Super Bowl that year. Dick Vermeil was the
head coach.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Uh did he cry? Believe? Remember he became a late
in his career.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Chris everything many Dick, do you want some Postah my god?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, Tory Holt. Rob was on that team. Isaac Bruce's
Hall of Famous look at the.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Look at the players. So it's very similar. It is.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It is darn near identical. But I'll give you one
thing that's different. And this this.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Also hurts party.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Like we said, they the Rams came out of nowhere
won the Super Bowl that year. Ye went thirteen and three.
I believe it was as we just had a host
of great players. But Rob the year before four and twelve.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
And that's where you go, Chris, there you go, there's
a difference maker. That that's the thing where people go,
the Rams weren't that good last year and they got
this quarterback off out of nowhere. This guy shows up
and now they're going to the super Bowl. Like that's
the difference. Like that, it was the difference where you
look at somebody and you know he's a difference maker.
The forty nine ers have been in the mix the
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last few years. They've gone through the Super Bowl without
Rock Party. Did they expect to be in the Super Bowl?
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Like, yeah, it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Ain't like, oh my god, Jimmy Garoppolo was healthy Rob
and it's I think five in San Francisco. They went
to the NFC title game, right, And now, to me,
Brock Party is clearly better than Jimmy G.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I mean, Jimmy G. For the success that he had
with the Niners.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Rob was never even remotely in the MVP conversation and
never was a Pro Bowl. Is that nobody said oh
he should be. No, he was a good quarterback and
he won. I mean that was the thing about Garoppolo.
You just kind of were like, he wins, you know
what I mean? He wasn't great numbers. He was solid, decent,
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but he was able to help them win. And Purdy
is winning but putting up numbers. Look, as I said,
we talked about it last week, I can't say with
certainty Rob right now that he's not a system quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I think what might be. I think what in my.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
View is probably the most likely situation or scenario, is
that right now or even maybe he's coming out of
that already.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But he started off as a system quarterback.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And he will grow or has grown into a franchise quarterback.
We saw it with Tom Brady start off as a
system quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That was the view. I mean, you gotta get Brady
the credit that they.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Turned it around immediately under him and have been struggling
without him before he took over, even with Drew Bledso
was a pro bowler, but Brady still had to tag
of system quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Joe Montana Rob.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You know, early in his career, he didn't even start
his first two years, you know, uh, he was a
third round draft pick, and so there were people he
had tons of talent with him that were saying system quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And obviously that you know, view change as it should have.
So we've sick.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Kurt Warner even then Mike Martz, you know, was the
one who he stepped in as the OC that first
year with Warner and really helped turn it around.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So a lot of people were giving Martins credit.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Mike right, So it was like, Okay, yeah, Warner's good,
but Marshall Falk, Tory Hole, Isaac Bruce, Mike Martz calling
plays like and then when remember Warner struggled rob with
the Giants, and then it goes to Arizona and plays
well and getting.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
And let me tell you something, if it wasn't for
that Santonio Holmes catch Chris and the endzone, they won
a Super Bowl, Like like, uh oh, yeah, you remember
you through the touchdown to who am I thinking of
the receiver Larry Fitzgerald? Remember Larry Fitzgerald had the touchdown
and put him my head with a couple of minutes
to go or whatever it was. I can't remember the
exact time Chris, and then Antonio Holmes makes that great catch.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I thought. I was like, I.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Remember sitting there when Larry Fitzgerald junior, you know, caught
that ball or whatever touchdown. I thought, Wow, Arizona is
going to win Super Bowl, you know, like when you think.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
About how bad that franchise was.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, and so, like I said, I think Brock Purty
is most likely on that path as far as you know,
growing into a franchise quarterback. Because the thing is this
Rob and obviously he does have a lot of talent
around him, and.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's kind of like I look at his situation, Rob,
kind of.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Like like a beating a bad team where you say, well,
they weren't any good, yeah, but we beat him forty
to nothing, you know what I mean, Like, like you
can it can only beat a bad team so badly,
and at some point you got to get credit. If
you struggle with a bad team, then people can throw
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that in your face that all they're no good, But
when you beat them, beat the breaks off of them,
you should get credit even if they're bad. And the
thing with Purdy is you couldn't play much better Rob.
His passer rating of one to nineteen is for quarterbacks
who started essentially the whole season.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
It's the fourth highest ever.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Only Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers have had higher.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You know, yeah, I mean here's some of his big
his biggest games this year as far as the opponent
Philadelphia three hundred and fourteen yards passing four touchdowns, no interceptions,
one forty eight point eight passer rating. Jacksonville, which you
know at that time was one of the top teams
in the league as far as record two hundred and
ninety six yards passing three touchdowns, zero interceptions, one forty
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eight point nine passer rating, Dallas two hundred and fifty
two yards passing four touchdowns, no picks, one forty four
point four passer rating. So he's been some of his
biggest games have been against the best teams they've played. Cincinnati,
he struggled, like you said, those three games in a row.
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Not awful, but it was struggle they lost, right, I mean,
he had been winning everything, hadn't even thrown an interception
to that.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Point, and then you know, struggled a little bit. Wasn't
terrible though, to your point.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I mean, Cincinnati three for three hundred and sixty five yards,
Minnesota two seventy two, and Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Was a bad game.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
But he got him in a position for the lake
field goal to win it, and the rookie missed it.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So you know he's playing well.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
He just robbed We've talked about I think smarts and tangibles.
Decision making that's so big a part of being a
quarterback in the NFL, and he seems to have those
and he's done have the strongest arm, but he can
make all the throws and he's accurate.
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Speaker 1 (13:15):
Golden State, I mean, just when you thought they were done,
and they still may very.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Well be, but they put on a.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Great effort last night beat the Boston Celtics that many
people have favored to at least when the Eastern Conference champions.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Me, not the whole that's me. I'm in that group. Yeah,
a lot of people like them, and with good reason.
They look great.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But Golden State took him out yesterday in overtime and
Steph Curry led the way thirty three points, was fantastic,
hit the huge shot in overtime.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
To kind of seal the victory with twelve seconds left,
and he was so good.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Rob and he sparked a huge discussion because Shaquille O'Neill
was just throwing out the accolades after the game on
T and T, which it was televised on T and T.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Here's shot on inside the NBA.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
I'm wondering, not saying, I'm just wondering because he's been
consistently the best shooter his whole career. I'm wondering at
the time to start putting him as the best player
of all time? Best player? You put him over you?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'm asking you, yes, you yourself, Bete Curry.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Over Yeah that this way, he's my favorite player.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
I'm not saying favorite. He might be my favorite too.
I'm just asking you. I played twenty years watch twenty
years before that. I've never seen a guy like him,
and he's doing it consistently and he has championships. No, no,
I'm not putting Hi anywhere.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
I'm saying, you know, for all the childers, is the
time to just put him in the contentation.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I think I think he's a.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
I'm asking the fans, is the time to, you know,
start putting him in the conversation as one of the
best players ever?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
All right, you heard it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I mean that's Shaquille O'Neill one of the best players ever.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And he asked rob.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Is it time to put Steph Curry in the goat discussion.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Your thoughts preposterous, ridiculous, typical prisoner of the moment, former athlete,
throwing something up against the wall. And that's no disrespect
to Steph and his resume and what he's done. But Chris,
off of a regular season game for Shaq to throw
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that out because they beat Boston on a Tuesday night
in December as some crowning moment, that something happened last
night that we never saw, that that's the time to
put him into conversation. I just think it's preposterous. I
think it's It.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Tells you how little thought.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
That some people will give, even the guy who's played
the game and has done as much as Shaq has done,
to these statements. This is what we talk about all
the time. I love Kenny Smith that he right away
put Shack on the spot.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Is he better than you? Is he better than Michael?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Because when you make a statement like that, it just
it just doesn't make sense to me. Off of what
what happened last night, Chris, that we haven't seen in
Steph's career that last night, that was the conversation. Do
you understand we talk about all the time. When we
do our show, we always ask ourselves, why are we
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talking about it today?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
That matters, Chris, Right, we do it all the time.
Why are we talking about it today? If it doesn't
matter for what's happened today, then we shouldn't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, I mean, look, it could have happened after Steph's
last In fact, Rob, it did happen, not this Shack
is the to go this far? Like when after Steph
won his fourth championship, I said he's a top ten
player of all time.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
That's a totally different conversation, right, And that's fair, Chris,
based on he had just won the fourth championship, so
it was based on him doing something to add to
his resume.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Correct, right, But even I mean, I think, what may
I agree with you is kind of like, Okay, yeah,
he was phenomenal last night, but it was just a
regular season game and obviously he's had plenty of those.
And you know, Okay, so they beat the Boston Celtics. Okay,
big wool on a two day night, you're one of
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the greatest ever. But the fact, Rob, regardless of the time,
if right, the day after they won their fourth championship.
If Shaq had said what he said last night, I
think he's still would pushed back. And you know, obviously
I love Steph. I think he is the best small player,
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the best below the rim player ever. And I will
say this, I hadn't really thought of it this way,
but I was talking with Nick right about it off
the air, doing first things first today and he said
he gotta threw it out there.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Best player six under six six ever.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Right, And I thought about it, and yes, I think
that's absolute.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
He is the best player ever under six to six.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Kobe, Michael Lebron, all those guys were six to six
or taller.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And so I think that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
But Rob as greate as Steph Is, four championships, widely
regarded as the best shooter ever, the orchestrator of one
of the best dynasties ever, absolutely positively changed the game
of basketball like it is. It is played differently now
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because of him.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
All of that. True.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
No, he is not in the goat conversation, and Rob
Kenney Smith said last night the goat conversation is limited
to three people, Jordan Lebron and Coreem.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I agree with you. People want to.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Throw Magic in I've heard some people throw out arguments
for Magic.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I got him as the fourth best ever.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I wouldn't put him into goat conversation, but I guess,
you know, if somebody wanted to say he could play
every position and dominate at all five spots, I mean,
we can have that discussion. But I generally agree with
Kenny Smith is limited to three and STEP's not one
of them.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I'm with you, and I just I mean, you know,
as great as steps resume is, there's some other spots
there too that uh, that'll there are some blemishes.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
This is.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
The three to one choke job with the Warriors that's
on there hasn't made a shot to put his team
ahead or win the game in the postseason, Chris with
twenty seconds or left to go zero for ten or
eleven or whatever it is. There's some other things, and
that's just niitpicking. When you're talking about the greatest of
all time. I just don't think that that's a conversation
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that he's in.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
And maybe you would agree that with that statement. I
made best player ever under sixty six. I'm don't have
to say Thomas.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, you know, I'm an Isaiah guy and Isaiah Ding
during the time when he played, and him beating Bird,
and him beating Magic and Michael, like what he was
able to do without another top fifty all time great
player is a pretty amazing accomplishment in that NBA. It's
hard for me to look past Isaiah I get.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
The Thomas over at Steph Curry.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, I'm just talking about because I look at everything.
I don't look at just making threes. I look at
Steph make threes, being able to win the performances he
put in, beating three of the greatest players, like during
that era, during that time without without the people were
talking about the help and Lebron needs help and and
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U Durant needs help and had to go get help,
and Steph needed to go get Durant to win to
beat Lebron and and.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
All that beat Lebron without duringt No.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
But I'm just saying, but but after they after they
lost three to one, they went and got him to
win the next two championships.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
That's one another one without during.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Right, But he won those two. But there's a big
difference between the two that he won.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Chris and if he has four, would you agree with that?
But he got four.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Is it a different two without the help get it in?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
He won two without another top fifty teammate, which is
what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
No, In fact, he won two without another top seventy
five teammate. Isaiah had two top seventy five.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Players on his championship teams.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah, no, I'm talking about I mean, if that was
your argument, no, because if it wasn't, he didn't play
when he was could be it. He didn't have anybody
in the top fifty because there was nobody who could
be put on that list at that time. What you're
talking about now, the top fifty list, he wasn't playing.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Who were you talking about, Isaiah or Steph? No, I'm
talking about Steph. You're saying he didn't have a top
seventy five, right, they Isaiah on the seventy five fifties
less than seventy five. Would you agree?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
But my point is right?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
But no, But Steph, Isaiah won two championships. They he
had on each of those championship teams, he had a
top two top or a top seventy five teammate and
Dennis Rodman.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
He didn't have a top fifty, he didn't have a
top No, but Okay, but neither did Steph.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Steph won two championships without a top fifty.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I get it wasn't it wasn't possible because there was Fine,
That's what I got saying. But Steph didn't even have
a top seventy five. Yeah, but here's my thing. It's
not a top seventy five.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
It's a top twenty five of his era because they
are twenty No is.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
A top seventy five. The finial top seventy five. Those
guys on his team couldn't be in the top fifty,
so they could be in the top seventy five.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
They could be added to the twenty five. He had
none of them that were at That's fine, But I'm
saying the difference between me, you're just trying two championships
compared to four, put you on a different place.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I'm not gonna punish him because Kevin Durant was on
his team. No, I'm just saying that. For some people
they look at it and say.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I don't quote any I don't know that there's hardly
any I'd be surprised if anybody right now has Isaiah
Thomas ahead.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Of Steph Curry. I do you? Yeah, Well, I do
and Isaiah.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
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Speaker 1 (24:01):
A few days ago, I mean it stole the show
with the seven hundred million dollars signing of Sho hal
Tany going to the LA Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And then a few days ago, one.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Of your former coworkers, Chris broke the story Jack Curry,
who worked at the New York Times. When you did
you did you know Jack at all? A little bit?
I knew him. I think we may have met, but
you know how you didn't. He's covered baseball, you covered basketball,
so you yeah, Jack worked at the time for a
long time.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
He's an analyst at the YES Network. Yep. But what
he broke was Yoshinobu Hope.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I said it right, y'ammoto the picture from Japan, of course,
show haes from Japan. He signed Rob also with the
Dodgers three hundred and twenty five million dollars over twelve years.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
And now the Dodgers, of course have those two.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Fantastic plays, combining them with Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman.
I mean, they are the very definition of a super team,
and they.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Did even more so. Rob Do you think that you
have an interesting take on Yamamoto.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yamamoto and I think this is very interesting. I want
to hear your thoughts on this.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Chris. I get it.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
If you're the Dodgers, you do whatever you can. You
know what I mean, he's available, you go after him.
Other teams were going after him, the Yankees the match
to Red Sox, I get it, you know what I mean.
And they have money to spend, so I get that.
I'm not mad at the Dodgers. I'm mad at Yamamoto.
Mad I'm mad at Yamamoto because I think he cheated
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himself by teaming up with Otani. And what I mean,
Chris is he was a star in his own right
in Japan, right, highly sought after, you know, had won
what the equivalent of the say young I don't know
what they call it in Japan, Like two out of
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the last three years, I think is that the right robbery?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I think it's two of the last three years.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Chris, just from all scouting accounts, he's the real deal.
He's unbelievable, and by teaming up with Otani, to me,
He's knocked his own value down, his own legendary status down,
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because he's joining the ultimate God.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So I look at Otani as cheese. Yamamoto is extra cheese.
They already have the cheese he and.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
If the Dodgers win a couple of World Series, it's
gonna be about Otani. Yah Mamoto had a chance Chris
to set up his own legacy.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
He was already a star in Japan.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Go somewhere else and be up against Otani, have the
chance to be the guy who beat Otani, who becomes
the legendary figure. I'm not saying he's not gonna get
any credit being a pitcher, and you know you need
pitching to win the playoffs. But don't tell me Otani's
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not gonna get the top billing. They already have Mookie Betts,
they already have Freddie Freeman. They've won over one hundred
games the last two years without Otani and without Ya Mamoto.
They've already done that. So what they're gonna win one
hundred and fifteen games?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Is that it? Okay?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
They won one hundred fifteen game, What are gonna win
one hundred and forty games out of won sixty two?
They already went. They win one hundred games every year.
Without those guys, he had a better chance of going
elsewhere and being in competition against Otani. And look at it,
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it's like Kevin Durant. Some people Chrissy went, went to
the Warriors, they had already won, they won their championship.
He went, he won the two, he was the finals MVP.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Fine.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
People still looked at him and was like, now, all right,
well he joined the team that one eighty that won
the most games in the regular season and they already
won a championship without him. All right, he won, and
we get it. We give him some credit, but he
never got full credit. And I think that's where Yamamoto
has has signed up to be in the shadow of Otani,
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and I don't think that he needed to do that.
He is big enough where he could have been his
own dog. And that's where I say he's made a
mistake by signing with the Docrews, and he's cheated himself,
his career and his legacy by joining such a star
who's going to outshine everybody on that team for the
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next ten years.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Completely disagree.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
That makes no sense whatsoever to me, because, first of all,
the comparison to Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant went to a
team that was one year removed from winning the championship
and not even a year removed from actually being in
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the NBA finals. That was a stacked team that had
clearly won. Without you, the Dodgers won it what four
years ago and ago, three years ago, three years ago
to be four years.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
And the last two years they won earned for one
hundred games, right, go ahead, So what you they're not.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
They're nowhere near a legendary team. If anything there viewed
as a failure. I mean, really, we've talked about it.
Just like the Atlanta Braves, nobody with these Dodgers haven't
been any great success. They got one World Series appear, well,
two World Series.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Appearances in the last decade.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So he is definitely not pulling to Kevin Durant by
any If anybody was, you were gonna jump on with
that comparison, as off as it was, it would be show, Hey, show,
He's the one going there first, a team that you know,
if you want to compare him to the Warriors, it
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was him being Durant. But again, I don't even think
it makes sense because it was a while ago that
they won, they haven't been back in years. If they
get to the World Series, no one's gonna be like,
oh they always get there, they don't. And then secondly
they have a chance. Rob this team could be exactly
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what baseball needs, Baseball needs and it's ironic because they're not,
you know, to these two guys from Japan, not even
from America.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
But I would love it if the Dodgers could become
like a.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
National team where they became a circus, where they were
the Heatles with Lebron and Wade and Bosh, where they
were the Warriors with Duran and Steph, and where they
are the Cowboys, where it's must see TV whenever they're on.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
And then their two separate positions.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Like I mean, maybe I think Otany'll pitch, we think
you'll pitch. But even if he pitches, how in the
world is he gonna take away from Shoeyotani. It's the
nature of the sport, like baseball is completely different. In basketball,
if your if your skills don't fit, then yes, one
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superstar can take away from another. But in baseball, man,
I can be as great as I can be, regardless
of how great you are. You can't change, and my
batting average can be as great. I can hit as
many home runs as I was gonna hit with you
on my team or with you down the street playing
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for somebody else. I can pitch as well as I can,
regardless of who my teammates are. I mean, like, this
don't make no sense to me. I think he did
the right thing, you know. I mean, if he went
to the Giants, sure it be big, But I just
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think both of them, Rob and I think you would
want this too.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
My guess is you would love them to.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Become this huge team that rallies even casual baseball fans.
But if that their best chance of that happening would
be together on a historic team like the Dodgers, with
a Mookie Bets and a Freddie Freeman. And I mean,
if anybody is gonna take away from if they win,
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and again I think it's baseball, so they'll be fine,
but it would take away from Freemen and Bets because
they've been there and haven't been winning, you know, since
they won in the shortened season.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
So I no, I disagree. I disagree
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
We were talking about the MVP race in the first
hour Rock Party versus Lamar Jackson. They're one and two
Party to favorite right now and Lamar Jackson number two,
and very different circumstances for both of them. Lamar huge star,
Heisman Trophy winner in college and already has an MVP.
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Is the focal point of his offense, makes it go,
but numbers aren't very huge. Rock Party, mister irrelevant, the
last player chosen. You know, played at Iowa State, was good,
but you know, didn't like the world on fire and
thrown in last year as a starter due to injury
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and has been great since then. Statistically, he's having the
best year of any quarterback in the NFL UH and
he's played great in the biggest games he's actually been
possibly better, probably better in the big games that he
has in some of the games against lesser teams. So uh,
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those are the two front runners at least right now
with three weeks left for the MVP. But a lot
of people, Rob, including you, still have big questions about
Rock Party tell us where you're at on him.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
It's it's the same thing talked about over and over.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
I don't deny his numbers or have any issue with
him because he's mister irrelevant. It's still like all of
the you know what, I guess, let me think about
it this way and maybe get help me to hear.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Rock Purty is Draymond Green. You know we talked Is
that not crazy? Chris?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
No, because we talked about whether or not.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
He's a system quarterback last week on First Things First,
and I didn't say that, but.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
That thought came to my mind.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, because because mind we think you and I think
is undoubtedly like would not be that he's gonna be
a Hall of Fame right But if.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
He was, if he went to a bad team or
a different team, Chris, he would not have the career
that he's had. He would not be elevated to like
you say going into the Hall of Fame, he's he
wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I could almost. We don't know, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But yeah, most people hold that opinion, and I agree
with you.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And I think the Brock party is Draymond Green and
all of these things. He's in the perfect situation, a
perfect compliment of player that he still has to deliver
the ball, Chris. He still has to make decisions, he
still has to play. So noone's saying like he's not
doing anything, but it's like the cake batter has been mixed.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Put it in the oven.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
You know, It's like can I like, like, it's just
put it in the oven.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
And that's where he is. And I'm telling you, I
still believe this that if he has a bad game
anywhere Chris Playoff game, they get knocked out, NFC Championship game,
they get knocked out, Super Bowl, he doesn't make the
play those a bad pa whatever. It is, the only
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way people will be able to validate him and his
career and what he's done is if he is the reason.
And what I mean by that obviously the other players
are playing, but he plays really well and they win
a Super Bowl and then I think all of that
is a race. As soon as there's a misstep, just
like we saw in the middle of the season with
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the three losses Chris, when there was a misstep and
when he wasn't winning and one playing like he had played,
the Wolves came for him. They did, and they will
come for him in the postseason as well if he
doesn't perform.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Is it fair? No, it's not fair. But that when you.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Agree with me, or do you agree with me that
if he were again even a fourth round pick or
Dak's a fourth round pick, that people wouldn't have these
questions about him.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
That that would help, that that would definitely help.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I would be lying if I said that it doesn't
matter because we talked about Kurt Warner and we I
don't know, not too many people mention this because we
talk about it a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Because I think it's relevant. It's very relevant. It really is.
When people say very good compared right, when people.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Say, oh, well, they're just doing Kirk Wanner wasn't even drafted,
so forget about being mister irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
This guy was bagging gross vision one in northern Iowa.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's not even Iowa state, right, and the Awa state Yeah,
he played Northern Iowan.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So so and and he went and had an unbelievable year.
Chris led the Rams to a super Bowl. The rest
is history. Like his season was undenied. And there were
other great players on that uh uh team.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
At Marshall falk right and and and the receiving corps.
I think Tory Holt was on that team who we've
had on the show, was a tremendous receiver when they
won the Super Bowl that year. Dick Vermeil was the
head coach.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Uh did he cry? Believe? Remember he became a late
in his career.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Chris everything many Dick, do you want some Postah my god?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, Tory Holt. Rob was on that team. Isaac Bruce's
Hall of Famous look at the.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Look at the players. So it's very similar. It is.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It is darn near identical. But I'll give you one
thing that's different. And this this.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Also hurts party.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Like we said, they the Rams came out of nowhere
won the Super Bowl that year. Ye went thirteen and three.
I believe it was as we just had a host
of great players. But Rob the year before four and twelve.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
And that's where you go, Chris, there you go, there's
a difference maker. That that's the thing where people go,
the Rams weren't that good last year and they got
this quarterback off out of nowhere. This guy shows up
and now they're going to the super Bowl. Like that's
the difference. Like that, it was the difference where you
look at somebody and you know he's a difference maker.
The forty nine ers have been in the mix the
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last few years. They've gone through the Super Bowl without
Rock Party. Did they expect to be in the Super Bowl?
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Like, yeah, it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Ain't like, oh my god, Jimmy Garoppolo was healthy Rob
and it's I think five in San Francisco. They went
to the NFC title game, right, And now, to me,
Brock Party is clearly better than Jimmy G.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I mean, Jimmy G. For the success that he had
with the Niners.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Rob was never even remotely in the MVP conversation and
never was a Pro Bowl. Is that nobody said oh
he should be. No, he was a good quarterback and
he won. I mean that was the thing about Garoppolo.
You just kind of were like, he wins, you know
what I mean? He wasn't great numbers. He was solid, decent,
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but he was able to help them win. And Purdy
is winning but putting up numbers. Look, as I said,
we talked about it last week, I can't say with
certainty Rob right now that he's not a system quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I think what might be. I think what in my.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
View is probably the most likely situation or scenario, is
that right now or even maybe he's coming out of
that already.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But he started off as a system quarterback.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And he will grow or has grown into a franchise quarterback.
We saw it with Tom Brady start off as a
system quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That was the view. I mean, you gotta get Brady
the credit that they.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Turned it around immediately under him and have been struggling
without him before he took over, even with Drew Bledso
was a pro bowler, but Brady still had to tag
of system quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Joe Montana Rob.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You know, early in his career, he didn't even start
his first two years, you know, uh, he was a
third round draft pick, and so there were people he
had tons of talent with him that were saying system quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And obviously that you know, view change as it should have.
So we've sick.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Kurt Warner even then Mike Martz, you know, was the
one who he stepped in as the OC that first
year with Warner and really helped turn it around.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So a lot of people were giving Martins credit.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Mike right, So it was like, Okay, yeah, Warner's good,
but Marshall Falk, Tory Hole, Isaac Bruce, Mike Martz calling
plays like and then when remember Warner struggled rob with
the Giants, and then it goes to Arizona and plays
well and getting.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
And let me tell you something, if it wasn't for
that Santonio Holmes catch Chris and the endzone, they won
a Super Bowl, Like like, uh oh, yeah, you remember
you through the touchdown to who am I thinking of
the receiver Larry Fitzgerald? Remember Larry Fitzgerald had the touchdown
and put him my head with a couple of minutes
to go or whatever it was. I can't remember the
exact time Chris, and then Antonio Holmes makes that great catch.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I thought. I was like, I.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Remember sitting there when Larry Fitzgerald junior, you know, caught
that ball or whatever touchdown. I thought, Wow, Arizona is
going to win Super Bowl, you know, like when you think.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
About how bad that franchise was.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, and so, like I said, I think Brock Purty
is most likely on that path as far as you know,
growing into a franchise quarterback. Because the thing is this
Rob and obviously he does have a lot of talent
around him, and.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's kind of like I look at his situation, Rob,
kind of.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Like like a beating a bad team where you say, well,
they weren't any good, yeah, but we beat him forty
to nothing, you know what I mean, Like, like you
can it can only beat a bad team so badly,
and at some point you got to get credit. If
you struggle with a bad team, then people can throw
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that in your face that all they're no good, But
when you beat them, beat the breaks off of them,
you should get credit even if they're bad. And the
thing with Purdy is you couldn't play much better Rob.
His passer rating of one to nineteen is for quarterbacks
who started essentially the whole season.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
It's the fourth highest ever.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Only Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers have had higher.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You know, yeah, I mean here's some of his big
his biggest games this year as far as the opponent
Philadelphia three hundred and fourteen yards passing four touchdowns, no interceptions,
one forty eight point eight passer rating. Jacksonville, which you
know at that time was one of the top teams
in the league as far as record two hundred and
ninety six yards passing three touchdowns, zero interceptions, one forty
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eight point nine passer rating, Dallas two hundred and fifty
two yards passing four touchdowns, no picks, one forty four
point four passer rating. So he's been some of his
biggest games have been against the best teams they've played. Cincinnati,
he struggled, like you said, those three games in a row.
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Not awful, but it was struggle they lost, right, I mean,
he had been winning everything, hadn't even thrown an interception
to that.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Point, and then you know, struggled a little bit. Wasn't
terrible though, to your point.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I mean, Cincinnati three for three hundred and sixty five yards,
Minnesota two seventy two, and Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Was a bad game.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
But he got him in a position for the lake
field goal to win it, and the rookie missed it.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So you know he's playing well.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
He just robbed We've talked about I think smarts and tangibles.
Decision making that's so big a part of being a
quarterback in the NFL, and he seems to have those
and he's done have the strongest arm, but he can
make all the throws and he's accurate.
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Speaker 1 (13:15):
Golden State, I mean, just when you thought they were done,
and they still may very.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Well be, but they put on a.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Great effort last night beat the Boston Celtics that many
people have favored to at least when the Eastern Conference champions.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Me, not the whole that's me. I'm in that group. Yeah,
a lot of people like them, and with good reason.
They look great.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But Golden State took him out yesterday in overtime and
Steph Curry led the way thirty three points, was fantastic,
hit the huge shot in overtime.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
To kind of seal the victory with twelve seconds left,
and he was so good.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Rob and he sparked a huge discussion because Shaquille O'Neill
was just throwing out the accolades after the game on
T and T, which it was televised on T and T.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Here's shot on inside the NBA.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
I'm wondering, not saying, I'm just wondering because he's been
consistently the best shooter his whole career. I'm wondering at
the time to start putting him as the best player
of all time? Best player? You put him over you?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'm asking you, yes, you yourself, Bete Curry.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Over Yeah that this way, he's my favorite player.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
I'm not saying favorite. He might be my favorite too.
I'm just asking you. I played twenty years watch twenty
years before that. I've never seen a guy like him,
and he's doing it consistently and he has championships. No, no,
I'm not putting Hi anywhere.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
I'm saying, you know, for all the childers, is the
time to just put him in the contentation.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I think I think he's a.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
I'm asking the fans, is the time to, you know,
start putting him in the conversation as one of the
best players ever?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
All right, you heard it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I mean that's Shaquille O'Neill one of the best players ever.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And he asked rob.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Is it time to put Steph Curry in the goat discussion.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Your thoughts preposterous, ridiculous, typical prisoner of the moment, former athlete,
throwing something up against the wall. And that's no disrespect
to Steph and his resume and what he's done. But Chris,
off of a regular season game for Shaq to throw
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that out because they beat Boston on a Tuesday night
in December as some crowning moment, that something happened last
night that we never saw, that that's the time to
put him into conversation. I just think it's preposterous. I
think it's It.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Tells you how little thought.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
That some people will give, even the guy who's played
the game and has done as much as Shaq has done,
to these statements. This is what we talk about all
the time. I love Kenny Smith that he right away
put Shack on the spot.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Is he better than you? Is he better than Michael?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Because when you make a statement like that, it just
it just doesn't make sense to me. Off of what
what happened last night, Chris, that we haven't seen in
Steph's career that last night, that was the conversation. Do
you understand we talk about all the time. When we
do our show, we always ask ourselves, why are we
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talking about it today?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
That matters, Chris, Right, we do it all the time.
Why are we talking about it today? If it doesn't
matter for what's happened today, then we shouldn't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, I mean, look, it could have happened after Steph's
last In fact, Rob, it did happen, not this Shack
is the to go this far? Like when after Steph
won his fourth championship, I said he's a top ten
player of all time.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
That's a totally different conversation, right, And that's fair, Chris,
based on he had just won the fourth championship, so
it was based on him doing something to add to
his resume.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Correct, right, But even I mean, I think, what may
I agree with you is kind of like, Okay, yeah,
he was phenomenal last night, but it was just a
regular season game and obviously he's had plenty of those.
And you know, Okay, so they beat the Boston Celtics. Okay,
big wool on a two day night, you're one of
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the greatest ever. But the fact, Rob, regardless of the time,
if right, the day after they won their fourth championship.
If Shaq had said what he said last night, I
think he's still would pushed back. And you know, obviously
I love Steph. I think he is the best small player,
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the best below the rim player ever. And I will
say this, I hadn't really thought of it this way,
but I was talking with Nick right about it off
the air, doing first things first today and he said
he gotta threw it out there.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Best player six under six six ever.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Right, And I thought about it, and yes, I think
that's absolute.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
He is the best player ever under six to six.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Kobe, Michael Lebron, all those guys were six to six
or taller.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And so I think that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
But Rob as greate as Steph Is, four championships, widely
regarded as the best shooter ever, the orchestrator of one
of the best dynasties ever, absolutely positively changed the game
of basketball like it is. It is played differently now
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because of him.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
All of that. True.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
No, he is not in the goat conversation, and Rob
Kenney Smith said last night the goat conversation is limited
to three people, Jordan Lebron and Coreem.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I agree with you. People want to.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Throw Magic in I've heard some people throw out arguments
for Magic.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I got him as the fourth best ever.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I wouldn't put him into goat conversation, but I guess,
you know, if somebody wanted to say he could play
every position and dominate at all five spots, I mean,
we can have that discussion. But I generally agree with
Kenny Smith is limited to three and STEP's not one
of them.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I'm with you, and I just I mean, you know,
as great as steps resume is, there's some other spots
there too that uh, that'll there are some blemishes.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
This is.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
The three to one choke job with the Warriors that's
on there hasn't made a shot to put his team
ahead or win the game in the postseason, Chris with
twenty seconds or left to go zero for ten or
eleven or whatever it is. There's some other things, and
that's just niitpicking. When you're talking about the greatest of
all time. I just don't think that that's a conversation
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that he's in.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
And maybe you would agree that with that statement. I
made best player ever under sixty six. I'm don't have
to say Thomas.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, you know, I'm an Isaiah guy and Isaiah Ding
during the time when he played, and him beating Bird,
and him beating Magic and Michael, like what he was
able to do without another top fifty all time great
player is a pretty amazing accomplishment in that NBA. It's
hard for me to look past Isaiah I get.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
The Thomas over at Steph Curry.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, I'm just talking about because I look at everything.
I don't look at just making threes. I look at
Steph make threes, being able to win the performances he
put in, beating three of the greatest players, like during
that era, during that time without without the people were
talking about the help and Lebron needs help and and
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U Durant needs help and had to go get help,
and Steph needed to go get Durant to win to
beat Lebron and and.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
All that beat Lebron without duringt No.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
But I'm just saying, but but after they after they
lost three to one, they went and got him to
win the next two championships.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
That's one another one without during.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Right, But he won those two. But there's a big
difference between the two that he won.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Chris and if he has four, would you agree with that?
But he got four.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Is it a different two without the help get it in?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
He won two without another top fifty teammate, which is
what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
No, In fact, he won two without another top seventy
five teammate. Isaiah had two top seventy five.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Players on his championship teams.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah, no, I'm talking about I mean, if that was
your argument, no, because if it wasn't, he didn't play
when he was could be it. He didn't have anybody
in the top fifty because there was nobody who could
be put on that list at that time. What you're
talking about now, the top fifty list, he wasn't playing.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Who were you talking about, Isaiah or Steph? No, I'm
talking about Steph. You're saying he didn't have a top
seventy five, right, they Isaiah on the seventy five fifties
less than seventy five. Would you agree?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
But my point is right?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
But no, But Steph, Isaiah won two championships. They he
had on each of those championship teams, he had a
top two top or a top seventy five teammate and
Dennis Rodman.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
He didn't have a top fifty, he didn't have a
top No, but Okay, but neither did Steph.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Steph won two championships without a top fifty.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I get it wasn't it wasn't possible because there was Fine,
That's what I got saying. But Steph didn't even have
a top seventy five. Yeah, but here's my thing. It's
not a top seventy five.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
It's a top twenty five of his era because they
are twenty No is.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
A top seventy five. The finial top seventy five. Those
guys on his team couldn't be in the top fifty,
so they could be in the top seventy five.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
They could be added to the twenty five. He had
none of them that were at That's fine, But I'm
saying the difference between me, you're just trying two championships
compared to four, put you on a different place.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I'm not gonna punish him because Kevin Durant was on
his team. No, I'm just saying that. For some people
they look at it and say.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I don't quote any I don't know that there's hardly
any I'd be surprised if anybody right now has Isaiah
Thomas ahead.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Of Steph Curry. I do you? Yeah, Well, I do
and Isaiah.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
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Speaker 1 (24:01):
A few days ago, I mean it stole the show
with the seven hundred million dollars signing of Sho hal
Tany going to the LA Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And then a few days ago, one.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Of your former coworkers, Chris broke the story Jack Curry,
who worked at the New York Times. When you did
you did you know Jack at all? A little bit?
I knew him. I think we may have met, but
you know how you didn't. He's covered baseball, you covered basketball,
so you yeah, Jack worked at the time for a
long time.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
He's an analyst at the YES Network. Yep. But what
he broke was Yoshinobu Hope.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I said it right, y'ammoto the picture from Japan, of course,
show haes from Japan. He signed Rob also with the
Dodgers three hundred and twenty five million dollars over twelve years.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
And now the Dodgers, of course have those two.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Fantastic plays, combining them with Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman.
I mean, they are the very definition of a super team,
and they.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Did even more so. Rob Do you think that you
have an interesting take on Yamamoto.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yamamoto and I think this is very interesting. I want
to hear your thoughts on this.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Chris. I get it.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
If you're the Dodgers, you do whatever you can. You
know what I mean, he's available, you go after him.
Other teams were going after him, the Yankees the match
to Red Sox, I get it, you know what I mean.
And they have money to spend, so I get that.
I'm not mad at the Dodgers. I'm mad at Yamamoto.
Mad I'm mad at Yamamoto because I think he cheated
(25:54):
himself by teaming up with Otani. And what I mean,
Chris is he was a star in his own right
in Japan, right, highly sought after, you know, had won
what the equivalent of the say young I don't know
what they call it in Japan, Like two out of
(26:16):
the last three years, I think is that the right robbery?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I think it's two of the last three years.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Chris, just from all scouting accounts, he's the real deal.
He's unbelievable, and by teaming up with Otani, to me,
He's knocked his own value down, his own legendary status down,
(26:45):
because he's joining the ultimate God.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So I look at Otani as cheese. Yamamoto is extra cheese.
They already have the cheese he and.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
If the Dodgers win a couple of World Series, it's
gonna be about Otani. Yah Mamoto had a chance Chris
to set up his own legacy.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
He was already a star in Japan.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Go somewhere else and be up against Otani, have the
chance to be the guy who beat Otani, who becomes
the legendary figure. I'm not saying he's not gonna get
any credit being a pitcher, and you know you need
pitching to win the playoffs. But don't tell me Otani's
(27:32):
not gonna get the top billing. They already have Mookie Betts,
they already have Freddie Freeman. They've won over one hundred
games the last two years without Otani and without Ya Mamoto.
They've already done that. So what they're gonna win one
hundred and fifteen games?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Is that it? Okay?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
They won one hundred fifteen game, What are gonna win
one hundred and forty games out of won sixty two?
They already went. They win one hundred games every year.
Without those guys, he had a better chance of going
elsewhere and being in competition against Otani. And look at it,
(28:14):
it's like Kevin Durant. Some people Chrissy went, went to
the Warriors, they had already won, they won their championship.
He went, he won the two, he was the finals MVP.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Fine.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
People still looked at him and was like, now, all right,
well he joined the team that one eighty that won
the most games in the regular season and they already
won a championship without him. All right, he won, and
we get it. We give him some credit, but he
never got full credit. And I think that's where Yamamoto
has has signed up to be in the shadow of Otani,
(28:49):
and I don't think that he needed to do that.
He is big enough where he could have been his
own dog. And that's where I say he's made a
mistake by signing with the Docrews, and he's cheated himself,
his career and his legacy by joining such a star
who's going to outshine everybody on that team for the
(29:11):
next ten years.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Completely disagree.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
That makes no sense whatsoever to me, because, first of all,
the comparison to Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant went to a
team that was one year removed from winning the championship
and not even a year removed from actually being in
(29:35):
the NBA finals. That was a stacked team that had
clearly won. Without you, the Dodgers won it what four
years ago and ago, three years ago, three years ago
to be four years.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
And the last two years they won earned for one
hundred games, right, go ahead, So what you they're not.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
They're nowhere near a legendary team. If anything there viewed
as a failure. I mean, really, we've talked about it.
Just like the Atlanta Braves, nobody with these Dodgers haven't
been any great success. They got one World Series appear, well,
two World Series.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Appearances in the last decade.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So he is definitely not pulling to Kevin Durant by
any If anybody was, you were gonna jump on with
that comparison, as off as it was, it would be show, Hey, show,
He's the one going there first, a team that you know,
if you want to compare him to the Warriors, it
(30:38):
was him being Durant. But again, I don't even think
it makes sense because it was a while ago that
they won, they haven't been back in years. If they
get to the World Series, no one's gonna be like,
oh they always get there, they don't. And then secondly
they have a chance. Rob this team could be exactly
(31:00):
what baseball needs, Baseball needs and it's ironic because they're not,
you know, to these two guys from Japan, not even
from America.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
But I would love it if the Dodgers could become
like a.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
National team where they became a circus, where they were
the Heatles with Lebron and Wade and Bosh, where they
were the Warriors with Duran and Steph, and where they
are the Cowboys, where it's must see TV whenever they're on.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
And then their two separate positions.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Like I mean, maybe I think Otany'll pitch, we think
you'll pitch. But even if he pitches, how in the
world is he gonna take away from Shoeyotani. It's the
nature of the sport, like baseball is completely different. In basketball,
if your if your skills don't fit, then yes, one
(31:57):
superstar can take away from another. But in baseball, man,
I can be as great as I can be, regardless
of how great you are. You can't change, and my
batting average can be as great. I can hit as
many home runs as I was gonna hit with you
on my team or with you down the street playing
(32:19):
for somebody else. I can pitch as well as I can,
regardless of who my teammates are. I mean, like, this
don't make no sense to me. I think he did
the right thing, you know. I mean, if he went
to the Giants, sure it be big, But I just
(32:39):
think both of them, Rob and I think you would
want this too.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
My guess is you would love them to.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Become this huge team that rallies even casual baseball fans.
But if that their best chance of that happening would
be together on a historic team like the Dodgers, with
a Mookie Bets and a Freddie Freeman. And I mean,
if anybody is gonna take away from if they win,
(33:08):
and again I think it's baseball, so they'll be fine,
but it would take away from Freemen and Bets because
they've been there and haven't been winning, you know, since
they won in the shortened season.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
So I no, I disagree. I disagree
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