January 9, 2024 • 33 mins
Chris and Rob debate whether Michigan’s national championship has been tainted by the sign-stealing allegations that have surrounded the team all season and discuss why Aaron Rodgers chose not to apologize for insinuating that Jimmy Kimmel had ties to a pedophilia. Plus, former Michigan quarterback and FOX college football analyst Devin Gardner swings by to discuss the narrative that Michigan’s national championship is tainted, JJ McCarthy’s NFL future, what’s next for the program if Harbaugh indeed leaves for the pros and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Michigan took a part Washington thirty four thirteen was not
a just you know, unwatchable blowout, but certainly was not
really competitive. Four time, you know, Washington was within a touchdown,
but for the most part, Michigan had its way. With
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Washington and Jim Harbar Rob, we disagreed on whether or.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Not he had, you know, kind of done the job,
so to speak.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Before the game, I felt like just getting them to
being I think what everybody would say was a top
five program in the country now was getting the job done,
because Michigan had never really been that and you felt
though that he had to win the game and win
the championship to complete the job. So our disagreement doesn't matter.
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He has clearly completed the job and gotten Michigan its
first national championship rope since nineteen forty eight, so seventy
five years.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
This should be a nice story, Chris with a nice bow.
Finally the amazing Blue. They finally get their national championship.
Their fan base has been wanting for so long and
hopeful and euphorick and my god.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah, it's been a long time coming, right.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
But.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
They can't fully embrace it or feel good about it.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Michigan's National championship is chained. There's no way around it.
What is chained.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
If you would have touched it, you would have to
wash your hands.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
It's thinky, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I know the Michigan Faithful of feeling like, oh my god,
we did it, were the greatest. Jim Harball was five
minutes away from being tarred and feathered and run out
of ann Arbor. That's how bad it was. It was
horrendous what had happened. So much so they embarrassed him
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and made him take a pay cut. He went to
that before he went to well, I'm just talking about
his whole story. I'm talking about his whole story. That
that's where he was. No, that's not because with the
turnaround also coincides with certain coaches and people being involved
in the university. And for Jim Harbaugh to stand up
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there and talk about that they were innocent and they
didn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
How could that be?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Jim Harbaugh? Why did you get rid of two coaches
this past year? I wouldn't have got rid of anybody, Chris.
If they were innocent, would you?
Speaker 6 (03:25):
I would have stood up to you, guys, right if
those are your coaches that you hired and you paid,
so why did you get rid of them during your
undefeated championship season if they didn't do anything wrong?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Why didn't you?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Why did you accept the suspension at the end of
the year, Chris when they had the big game against
Ohio State. You would the one who stood up there
and said, I want my due process, I want my
day in court. And then when the conference came and
showed you what they had, Chris, you high tailed it
and all of a sudden that didn't matter to you.
How can you sit year be a Michigan fan, wear
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the winged helmet and all.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
That, and and and and act like nothing, Hey, there's
nothing to see here.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Michigan football is just like the Houston Astros. They're stinky,
they're cheaters. There's a reason not to feel good about
this championship. And you know what, Chris, is just a
matter of time before it all comes out in the Wars,
because there's an investigation that is not complete and we
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will find more results. This team was going nowhere fast
and all of a sudden things change the last couple
of years when this guy who was roaming the sidelines
wearing disguises and apparently stealing signs, all of a sudden
turn the fortunes of Michigan around. That's why I'm not
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gonna embrace it. When I see the final investigation, Chris,
and if they say they're totally exonerated as a mistake,
I'll embrace it. But until then, I'm keeping my arms
distance to that championship. And if I was.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Near it, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Wow, I would Where was the music? This was one
without music? It was all right, I'm about to.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Thank you, all right.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Look, obviously they cheated, all right, but they're a degree
on board with that, Chris. Well with that, yeah, yeah,
I don't feel like you do about the championship. I
almost split it into two things, like the football of
it the sport it Do I feel like Michigan is
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the best team in college football? Can I like say
with some degree of certainty that they are the best
team in college football and deserve this championship?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
My answer to that, Rob is yes.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Now, I can't totally get mad at those that would
say but because you never know, right. I mean, my thinking, Rob,
is that early in the season when they may have
been cheating, right, I don't know if the cheating was
it the previous years, was there some this year early
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in the season, if the cheating was going on at
during these games, I mean, these teams were not very
good teams, and Michigan was routing everyone just embarrassingly, and
so I don't think Rutgers or Nebraska or Bowling Green
was going to beat Michigan when the reports came out
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and when Harball was suspended at that point, I mean,
I find it hard to believe they were still cheating.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I think you'd probably even agree with that.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
So when the cheating, we would believe, when it presumably stopped,
they still beat up.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Penn State, Maryland. Okay, they're not that good.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Beat Ohio State without Harbaugh and be Iowa in the
Big Ten championship and then rolled Alabama and of course Washington.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
So I think they.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Proved what we would presume would be post cheating, and
I'm not condoning the cheating.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
That's bad.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
He's been punished three game suspension beginning of the year,
three game suspension end of the year. Maybe more will come,
but I think just on the field, rob they prove
that they are indeed the best team in college football,
so I can respect that. But the cheating, You're right,
I mean, and I don't know, it'll be ugly if
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it's some serious cheating scandal over the past two years
when they did turn it around, that you know, that
could to damp on it. But right now, I feel
like Michigan fans feel fine. I know my daughter is
it feels great about it. I don't have a problem
with them. I think they proved it on the field,
so I'm okay with that. But you know, look what
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you said certainly has merit because whenever you cheat, you
can't get mad at people for holding it against you.
Some people want to be like, it wasn't that bad.
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
You know, that's fine too, But if some want to
be like, no, I'm sorry. You cheat it. You can.
You just gotta. You gotta take your medicine. You gotta
accept it because you did cheat, You did do something wrong.
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Speaker 4 (09:53):
Air Rogers.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I don't ever remember a guy being injured.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Out for a season and making so much noise.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Rob, this dude is the most and I get it
the Jets, they're the Jets, okay, but still he is
by far the most talked about jet, the most news
making jet this season.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah but but let me let me just say this.
I hear you, but that's because he has a paid
gig to be on every week.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
That's he's not I hear what you need the money,
it's a million of dollars. I know that. I know that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
What I'm just saying like it's a weekly appearing. But
if you go and hear more about him, though, because
everybody else talks weekly too. No, he's just not on
that platform. I'm just saying they get other guests. Do
you hear about any other guests.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
On that show?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
All we hear about is Aaron Rodgers because he says stuff,
and that's the thing I hear you he of course
he's on the show weekly. But all the players get
interviewed after games, after practices every day, so they're all
talking to But he's making.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
You don't have access to players every day.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
No, not every well not football, yeah, but still they're
talking during the week some of them. Some of them
are on local radio shows and some of them do
national radio interviews. And obviously they speaking after the game
as so as the coach. But but anyway, here is
Aaron Rodger, Rob g summarize the latest.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
Now he's battling with Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, just quickly, Rob.
You know Nick Saban and JJ Watt also do interviews
on that show, and you never hear anything about what
they said that.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
Nick Saban like, I've never heard one thing more JJ.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Watt, they don't say, they don't say anything.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
But my point is, but but but you were making
it like for somebody who's injured.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
You're hearing them.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And all I was saying was not was that he
has a natural platform.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 9 (11:54):
Gotcha?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Well, let's get to the latest with Aaron Rodgers and
Nick Saban. I don't Nick Saban hasn't said anything in forty.
Speaker 8 (11:59):
Years, but he still gets these great ads with Coca Cola.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
They do.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
He does.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
That's because he's attached and alack and aflac.
Speaker 9 (12:07):
That's right, it's.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Attached to winning. You know that. That's all that is
until this year.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Anyways, Aaron Rodgers, we talked about it last week, ruffled
a lot of feathers. What he said of the Pat
McAfee show quote, there's a lot of people, including Jimmy Kimmel,
who's really hoping that Epstein list doesn't come out, which
many interpreted as him insinuating that Jimmy Kimmel either is
or associates himself with pedophiles. Of course, we saw some
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documents come out in the coming days, and what do
you know, Jimmy Kimmel's name was not listed anywhere in
the deposition or any of the documents that became public.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Well about a.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Week later, now a week to the day, Aaron Rodgers
finally spoke about his controversial comments, and here's what he said.
Speaker 10 (12:56):
And I said, a lot of people, and I'm quoting
myself here, a lot of people, including Jimmy Kimmel, are
really hoping that doesn't come out.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
End quote.
Speaker 10 (13:06):
That's what I said.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
That's the entire quote.
Speaker 10 (13:09):
Okay. I was referring to the fact that if there
is a list, which again this hasn't come out yet,
this was just a deposition, right, and there are names
on it, and that would be the second time that
a soft brain junior college students, you know, wacko anti
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vas anti semit purveyor spreader of misinformation, conspiracy theorist, maga,
whatever other things have been said by him and other
people in the media, would be right twice.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So it sounds like Rob what he's saying is that
he was saying when he initially made the comment that
Kimmel wasn't afraid of the Epstein list come out out
because he might be on it, but he was afraid
of it coming out because Aaron Rodgers would be right
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about something else. So I mean, that's plausible.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
But here's the thing. No, one took it that way well,
and because.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
First time, the first time you said it right, first
time you said it, no one knew all the things
you just clarified.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
So you owe that man an apology.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Because, uh, but this is where Chris and I'm with
you if you have to clarify it and you weren't
clear why people took it the way that they did.
And number two, if there was a journalist or somebody
there once he said it, Chris could have immediately said,
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do you have breaking news eron?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Why would Jimmy Kimmel not want the list to come out?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And then there's your moment for him to make That's
why you have to have people there as safeguards. So
that that stuff why Chris we said all the time,
we're not bragging with trained journalists. We would not let
anybody come on our show. We just have Mike Lombardi on.
Chris right, me and you both love Mike Lombardi when
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he pooh pulled the cheating scandal with Michigan, can we
just sit back right.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
No, he was on a team an organization that cheated,
that's all. And that's where rob journalist. It's not just.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
About trying to trap the person you're interviewing, trying to
get a great quote some of its clarity, and that
oftentimes can protect the person be an interviewed and Chris
that would contact ESPN, and I know that turned into
a big stink.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
If they had to apologize because you don't want to
be a part of something. You can't throw people's names
out and insinuate stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
You can.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Nah, you're right, that's a great point in how having
a journalist there who would have asked Rogers Jimmy Kimmel
is what what's the news on him? What do you
have on him? That would have protected Rogers? Now, Rob,
I do question. I think it's very possible just knowing
his track record, that Rogers is blowing smoke right, that
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that Rogers really did want to jab Kimmel, you know
what I mean, Yeah, associate him with that even if
he knew it was false and just throw it out
there and and not knowing the rules, you know what
I mean of libel and all that stuff. But still
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it would have either way, it would have came out
and he wouldn't have been able to say what he
just said if that was the case, Like if he
would have doubled down. Oh no, I'm telling you I've
heard things. You know, then now you can't tell this
lie if it's.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
A lie that you just told to clarify it.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But the bottom line, Rob and look Rogers, is he's
one of the greatest people to ever throw a football.
He's one of the greatest at something that the world
has ever seen.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
There's no doubt about anybody who says anything other they're
kiddna themselves.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
You don't have to you don't have to be online.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
With everybody up and follow their politics or their raw
process or their comments or whatever. But for what he
did in his professional career, he is one of the
greatest whoever did it?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Ever do that simple?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And I think I guess Rob and it doesn't happen
with everybody, but I guess that can also when you
are the best to ever do something, or one of
the best ever do something, maybe you just get full
of yourself, you know, because why wouldn't you go on
there and say, look, I didn't mean I mean an
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entirely different way. I didn't mean that Jimmy's name was
gonna be on the list. I didn't mean he's a pedophile.
I don't think that at all. But I didn't clarify it,
and so I'm I apologize for that.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Why couldn't you say that, I'm I'm with you one
hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
If if I said something to you and you said, hey, Rob,
that offends me, okay, that would be my chance, right there, Chris,
to say, if I really didn't mean to offend you,
I apologize.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
The only reason you wouldn't say that, apologize means that
you you you tried to. Because if someone says I'm
offended and you don't mean to offend somebody, it's a
real simple fix. Oh, Chris, I apologize. I didn't mean
it in that way. That's no, I didn't. I didn't
mean it in that way. There's no way. I don't
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know anything about the list as no way I'm saying
Jimmy Kimmel is involved in pedophile y'all. No, oh my god, No,
that's not what I'm met. That's all I'm gonna say
this about Rogers Rob. And you know his teammates voted
him most inspirational Jet this season. And you know I
was saying all year that his working out to try
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to get back, whether it was for attention, whether it
was selfishness, whether it was a force, whether it was unrealistic,
whatever the motive, I did think that that would motivate
his teammates, that that would inspire them just to see this.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Forty year old guy working it.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, and they and they confirmed it, so to speak,
by making him the most inspirational rob. I think the
best thing for him to do next year if he
wants to try to have the best season that the
Jets can have.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
And look, I'm not telling you that he can do
what he wants.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I don't want to take money out of anybody's pocket,
but I'm just saying this. I think the best thing
for him to do would be to four go the
weekly interviews and just say, look, it's all about football
this year. And he said it yesterday I believe it
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was yesterday. But this week, yeah, like, let's leave the
BS out the building. Well, most of the BS is
coming from your interviews every.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Tuesday, and then everybody else has to respond or comment.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
About Rob he How inspiring would it be if he says, look,
y'all the preseason meeting, it's all about football. Nobody thinks
we can do it. I saw our defense. I watched
our defense all last year. You guys were great. I
saw Garrett get a thousand yards receiving and break a
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Jets record, and with you know, you don't have to
diss the quarterbacks, but you know, with our quarterback situation,
with a bunch of different guys throwing him the ball,
I saw Breese run. We gotta I'm gonna do my job, fellas.
We got a chance to do something special. And so
it's all football. I'm not I'm not doing my weekly shows.
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I'm not talking about all this other stuff. It's all
football now. He can talk Rob privately about all that
stuff with his teammates, with whoever, but just don't That's
what I would say. I think that would send a
message to his teammates that Yo, this is this season
is gonna be different.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
And I don't know that they're gonna be any good.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
He's two years removed now from playing some good football,
so he may not be that great.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
But Rob, let's keep it real.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
If their defense is really good and he's just mediocre,
next year, I mean, they could be okay, because.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
We saw that with Clevelandsburgh.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You know, but you you also know, like Miami, Intua,
Buffalo couch ain't no cakeb No.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I'm not saying picking him to do anything. I'm just saying, yeah,
I agree with yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
But but they got they ain't gonna be easy.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
No, no, no, no, they gonna they they gonna have
their hands for I mean, if they just make the playoffs,
that'll be good for them next year.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
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Speaker 3 (22:26):
All right, Speaking of Michigan, our next guest was the
quarterback there and now he's a college football analyst.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
On Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
We welcome in Devin Gardner. Devin, what's up, brother?
Speaker 9 (22:40):
My god?
Speaker 4 (22:41):
How are you doing great? Devin?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I want you to know I thought about you last
night when Michigan won the championship, and I figured.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
You were in your uh, your living room.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Watching the game, and you thought to yourself, I wish
they would have cheated. When I was a starting quarterback
at Michigan, I'd have a bishop.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
Rob.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
You never cease to amaze. I was wondering, what is
he gonna say. There's nothing he can say. They dominated him,
They beat Bama all these things and somehow you surprised
you with that very good well player.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Well there's plenty for him to say, yeah, he got
more too, do you, Devin?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
And Rob is gonna go here.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
But do you feel like in any way this championship
is tainted?
Speaker 9 (23:27):
Absolutely? Not right, because the one reason it would be
painted was because of the and I'm doing air quotes,
can't see sign stealing thing, And I think that kind
of should be dispelled unless you just want to hate
when you don't have the signs and you beat Ohio
State and then you don't have the signs, and you
beat Ayu in the championship, and then you don't have
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the signs and you beat Big bad Ah Bama road side,
and then you don't have the signs. He went a
national championship going away in a very convince in fashion.
I don't think there should be any hate or asterisks
or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Well, well, Devin, here's a problem.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And he stood up there and said that they didn't
do anything, they're innocent or whatever. But the way he
backed down to the to the big ten after he
wanted his day in Cord, he can't say nothing happened.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
He threw two of his coaches off the boat.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Okay, he threw them off during this championship undefeated season.
If they did nothing wrong, and those are my guys
and I and I hired them, I would not have
put those guys off the team. If our hands are cleaned.
So there's already an admission if something was going on there,
and there's a further investigation that hasn't been finished.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
Well, the reason he throw those through those guys off
of the bus is not because they did anything wrong.
It's because of them. When they're NCAA tried to go
through their investigations, they almost campered with evidence. I guess
you could say like they didn't they were misleading, and
so the whole thing with Hardball was like, Hey, I'm
gonna be forthcoming. I'm gonna give you all their friends
you need. And if a coach were to do that,
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now I have to back down because people in my
camp have kind of misled them and made them think
that we are doing something right. So I have to
get rid of them, and I have to back down
and take the three game sussension. And they still found it.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
What are they hiding Devin?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
And then being misleading about if nothing went on, what
are they misleading about.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
Well, I'm just telling you right now, the NC DOUBLEA.
I remember when I was in college and I was
driving one of my best friend's car and they put
me in a room, nice and cold like, they offered
me a cigarette, and they made it seem like I
was a criminal. They made it seem like I was
a criminal, right, And so they treat you like this,
and so maybe the coaches are trying to disarm the kids, like,
hey man, maybe don't say that. Maybe don't say this,
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just because you don't want them to continue to press
you on things that maybe you aren't prepared for. They
treat it like the FBI. I'm just telling you, I've
been there.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I don't need to be You don't need to be
prepared for truth. Remember that, no need to hurt. You
don't need to be prepared or.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
Not raisy to be interrogated by the FBI would.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Want to talk about, to talk about truth and what
you know.
Speaker 9 (26:10):
I don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Doesn't matter what the question is, answer it truthfully and
you're good, Devin.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
What what do you need to prepare for?
Speaker 9 (26:19):
I think that's what we think that's what we want
to think, but that's not always the case.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
And you know that for a fact, den a lot
of people think this will be Jim Harbaugh's last game
in Michigan. What do you think and what do you
think he should do? What do you think he will
should do?
Speaker 9 (26:35):
I thought that it always was contingent on what JJ
McCarthy was going to do. And I think that he
kind of left us a nugget with SVP, And it's
a master job by SVP because everybody else goes with
these straightforward questions and then he just dodges them and deflects. Right,
you can't ask him these straightforward question but SDT kind
of tricked him into answering the question for his future.
(26:57):
And when he said, hey, what do you when you
start doing stuff again? You know when you start, you know,
you get off of this high from the championship to
start again, and he said, yeah, I told the guys
that we're gonna put spring ball back a month, right,
And so that kind of indicates maybe he was always
planning to come back. Obviously, thinks can change and different
things like that. But if JJ McCarthy stayed, which I
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think he almost has to right now to improve his
draft stocks. I think that he stayed because he doesn't
want to leave him a kid that he has made
it very clear that he looked at as a son.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Uh. I just I think the time is right for
him to move on, especially because of the pending investigation
and the idea. And if I'm Jim Harbar, I still
hold I'm still a little you know saw at Michigan
because they I mean he was he was, he was
pay cud and they were ready to run him out
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of there. He went to the Minnesota job you remember
in the NFL. But yeah, because he went there on
National signing Day thinking he was going to be offered
that job. I mean, dev you remember that. So he
had wonderfult out of Michigan. So if I have a
chance to go out on top and before the s
hits the fan, right with the investigation, I think I
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take it and their jobs out there and there's money.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
To be made and you can wash your hand. He
did his job at Michigan.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
What's left it is rob the one thing I think
we're underestimating. And and to me and you that sounds
like a great idea, right just because you did your part.
You kept your promise and now you can go get
paid and go get other things that you desire. But
I think we're kind of underestimating how much this man
truly truly loved Michigan. Like he grew up in Michigan,
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like he is like bred from it seems like birth.
He went the Pioneers right Pie High, right across from which.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Is across that's a high school across the street, Chris.
Speaker 9 (28:49):
Right across the street from Michigan Right. He has been
in the shadow of that, the big house, and then
he finally gets his opportunity. Obviously, the whole turmoil. I
think that he'll look past that and just kind of
bring them to the table with a contract that is
almost absurd, where we get so much money. Because he
loves Michigan, I think he truly wants to say, at
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least until JJ McCarthy's.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Gone, Well, you keep mentioning McCarthy, how what talk about
me or talk to me about his prospects in the NFL.
You know, we haven't they're kind of he's been a
game manager at Michigan, and he's been a great one,
but you know, we haven't really seen him carrying offense
with his arm. So what kind of NFL prospect do
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you see him as?
Speaker 9 (29:33):
So the one thing that I started kind of talking
about when I call games about guys is kind of
changing that narrative of game manager to game controller, Right.
I think there's a difference there, Right, A game manager
just don't mess this up and whatever. But a game controller,
when you need a play, he makes a play. When
you don't need him to play, he doesn't mess it up,
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you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Right?
Speaker 9 (29:55):
And I feel like he did a very good job
this year of being in control of game and so
it's a little more inside and nuanced than you can
see just watching them on TV. Right, changing protections to
protect himself something that he's going to be actually do
at the next level that most college quarterbacks do not do,
and that's why they struggle at the next level. Being
able to make throws when his backings against the wall,
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being able to make timely runs, and being able to
have enough humility to stay out of the way when
you don't need them. I think that's an underrated skill
because so many quarterbacks get in their own way because
they want to win the hides and they want to
have all the gaudy set. They want to be famous,
and I think that his humility. Humility allows Rahmuk along
with his development as a pure progression red passer, and
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he has good accuracy, good arm strength. I think he's
a good NFL prospect now when I take him number
one overall, Absolutely not because he, like you said, hasn't
proven that he can throw the ball forty times a
game and make sure that you win the game on
his arm alone. But all the other stuff, as far
as mentally understanding the quarterback position in itself and having
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the tool to be able to do that, I think
that he's a first round pick for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
How about last thing here, How when you think about
it to be to forget about nineteen ninety seven in
the mythical national championship, but the first outright championship from
Michigan since nineteen forty eight. When you think about that,
do you go, how in the world could this program
not have won a national champ bo sham Beckler was coach.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Like it's mind boggling.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I know people hold Michigan because of the history that
they have and how long they've been there and all that,
and you know in college football and all the wins,
but the lack of being wins. I mean, like it's shocking,
isn't it.
Speaker 9 (31:45):
God. I talked extensively on a show called The Rally
today about what this kind of this win means, and
I think it kind of legitimizes all the things that
we say as Michigan people and as Michigan fans that
maybe it's not quite true. Right, the one thousand plus
wins and all of that, it means nothing essentially because
we didn't win the big win. We never got the
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chance to get to the big dance and win it,
especially outright as of late in this century, when everybody's
playing football right, and the kind of elitist attitude that
Michigan fans have, it was almost for not for so long,
just because you didn't prove it on the field. You
got a bunch of wins, but it didn't mean anything.
And not to mention, Odio State was dominating us for
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so long. But I think that Jim Harball has restored
all those things, and now everybody can walk around with
their chests out and say, hey, we are the blue
bloods in college football because we now do have that
undefeated only fifteen teams have gone fifteen to zero and
won a national championship understood it, and Michigan is one
of those teams.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
It was special, all right, congratulations man on the championship.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
They need you know.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
My daughter was a graduate of Michigan or is in
twenty twenty, so is all hyped up?
Speaker 9 (33:01):
So hello, than congratulations.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
We'll do man. Thanks for coming on and having
Speaker 9 (33:08):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Michigan took a part Washington thirty four thirteen was not
a just you know, unwatchable blowout, but certainly was not
really competitive. Four time, you know, Washington was within a touchdown,
but for the most part, Michigan had its way. With
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Washington and Jim Harbar Rob, we disagreed on whether or.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Not he had, you know, kind of done the job,
so to speak.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Before the game, I felt like just getting them to
being I think what everybody would say was a top
five program in the country now was getting the job done,
because Michigan had never really been that and you felt
though that he had to win the game and win
the championship to complete the job. So our disagreement doesn't matter.
(01:26):
He has clearly completed the job and gotten Michigan its
first national championship rope since nineteen forty eight, so seventy
five years.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
This should be a nice story, Chris with a nice bow.
Finally the amazing Blue. They finally get their national championship.
Their fan base has been wanting for so long and
hopeful and euphorick and my god.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah, it's been a long time coming, right.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
But.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
They can't fully embrace it or feel good about it.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Michigan's National championship is chained. There's no way around it.
What is chained.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
If you would have touched it, you would have to
wash your hands.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
It's thinky, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I know the Michigan Faithful of feeling like, oh my god,
we did it, were the greatest. Jim Harball was five
minutes away from being tarred and feathered and run out
of ann Arbor. That's how bad it was. It was
horrendous what had happened. So much so they embarrassed him
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and made him take a pay cut. He went to
that before he went to well, I'm just talking about
his whole story. I'm talking about his whole story. That
that's where he was. No, that's not because with the
turnaround also coincides with certain coaches and people being involved
in the university. And for Jim Harbaugh to stand up
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there and talk about that they were innocent and they
didn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
How could that be?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Jim Harbaugh? Why did you get rid of two coaches
this past year? I wouldn't have got rid of anybody, Chris.
If they were innocent, would you?
Speaker 6 (03:25):
I would have stood up to you, guys, right if
those are your coaches that you hired and you paid,
so why did you get rid of them during your
undefeated championship season if they didn't do anything wrong?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Why didn't you?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Why did you accept the suspension at the end of
the year, Chris when they had the big game against
Ohio State. You would the one who stood up there
and said, I want my due process, I want my
day in court. And then when the conference came and
showed you what they had, Chris, you high tailed it
and all of a sudden that didn't matter to you.
How can you sit year be a Michigan fan, wear
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the winged helmet and all.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
That, and and and and act like nothing, Hey, there's
nothing to see here.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Michigan football is just like the Houston Astros. They're stinky,
they're cheaters. There's a reason not to feel good about
this championship. And you know what, Chris, is just a
matter of time before it all comes out in the Wars,
because there's an investigation that is not complete and we
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will find more results. This team was going nowhere fast
and all of a sudden things change the last couple
of years when this guy who was roaming the sidelines
wearing disguises and apparently stealing signs, all of a sudden
turn the fortunes of Michigan around. That's why I'm not
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gonna embrace it. When I see the final investigation, Chris,
and if they say they're totally exonerated as a mistake,
I'll embrace it. But until then, I'm keeping my arms
distance to that championship. And if I was.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Near it, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Wow, I would Where was the music? This was one
without music? It was all right, I'm about to.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Thank you, all right.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Look, obviously they cheated, all right, but they're a degree
on board with that, Chris. Well with that, yeah, yeah,
I don't feel like you do about the championship. I
almost split it into two things, like the football of
it the sport it Do I feel like Michigan is
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the best team in college football? Can I like say
with some degree of certainty that they are the best
team in college football and deserve this championship?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
My answer to that, Rob is yes.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Now, I can't totally get mad at those that would
say but because you never know, right. I mean, my thinking, Rob,
is that early in the season when they may have
been cheating, right, I don't know if the cheating was
it the previous years, was there some this year early
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in the season, if the cheating was going on at
during these games, I mean, these teams were not very
good teams, and Michigan was routing everyone just embarrassingly, and
so I don't think Rutgers or Nebraska or Bowling Green
was going to beat Michigan when the reports came out
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and when Harball was suspended at that point, I mean,
I find it hard to believe they were still cheating.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I think you'd probably even agree with that.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
So when the cheating, we would believe, when it presumably stopped,
they still beat up.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Penn State, Maryland. Okay, they're not that good.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Beat Ohio State without Harbaugh and be Iowa in the
Big Ten championship and then rolled Alabama and of course Washington.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
So I think they.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Proved what we would presume would be post cheating, and
I'm not condoning the cheating.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
That's bad.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
He's been punished three game suspension beginning of the year,
three game suspension end of the year. Maybe more will come,
but I think just on the field, rob they prove
that they are indeed the best team in college football,
so I can respect that. But the cheating, You're right,
I mean, and I don't know, it'll be ugly if
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it's some serious cheating scandal over the past two years
when they did turn it around, that you know, that
could to damp on it. But right now, I feel
like Michigan fans feel fine. I know my daughter is
it feels great about it. I don't have a problem
with them. I think they proved it on the field,
so I'm okay with that. But you know, look what
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you said certainly has merit because whenever you cheat, you
can't get mad at people for holding it against you.
Some people want to be like, it wasn't that bad.
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
You know, that's fine too, But if some want to
be like, no, I'm sorry. You cheat it. You can.
You just gotta. You gotta take your medicine. You gotta
accept it because you did cheat, You did do something wrong.
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Speaker 4 (09:53):
Air Rogers.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I don't ever remember a guy being injured.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Out for a season and making so much noise.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Rob, this dude is the most and I get it
the Jets, they're the Jets, okay, but still he is
by far the most talked about jet, the most news
making jet this season.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah but but let me let me just say this.
I hear you, but that's because he has a paid
gig to be on every week.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
That's he's not I hear what you need the money,
it's a million of dollars. I know that. I know that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
What I'm just saying like it's a weekly appearing. But
if you go and hear more about him, though, because
everybody else talks weekly too. No, he's just not on
that platform. I'm just saying they get other guests. Do
you hear about any other guests.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
On that show?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
All we hear about is Aaron Rodgers because he says stuff,
and that's the thing I hear you he of course
he's on the show weekly. But all the players get
interviewed after games, after practices every day, so they're all
talking to But he's making.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
You don't have access to players every day.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
No, not every well not football, yeah, but still they're
talking during the week some of them. Some of them
are on local radio shows and some of them do
national radio interviews. And obviously they speaking after the game
as so as the coach. But but anyway, here is
Aaron Rodger, Rob g summarize the latest.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
Now he's battling with Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, just quickly, Rob.
You know Nick Saban and JJ Watt also do interviews
on that show, and you never hear anything about what
they said that.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
Nick Saban like, I've never heard one thing more JJ.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Watt, they don't say, they don't say anything.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
But my point is, but but but you were making
it like for somebody who's injured.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
You're hearing them.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And all I was saying was not was that he
has a natural platform.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 9 (11:54):
Gotcha?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Well, let's get to the latest with Aaron Rodgers and
Nick Saban. I don't Nick Saban hasn't said anything in forty.
Speaker 8 (11:59):
Years, but he still gets these great ads with Coca Cola.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
They do.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
He does.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
That's because he's attached and alack and aflac.
Speaker 9 (12:07):
That's right, it's.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Attached to winning. You know that. That's all that is
until this year.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Anyways, Aaron Rodgers, we talked about it last week, ruffled
a lot of feathers. What he said of the Pat
McAfee show quote, there's a lot of people, including Jimmy Kimmel,
who's really hoping that Epstein list doesn't come out, which
many interpreted as him insinuating that Jimmy Kimmel either is
or associates himself with pedophiles. Of course, we saw some
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documents come out in the coming days, and what do
you know, Jimmy Kimmel's name was not listed anywhere in
the deposition or any of the documents that became public.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Well about a.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Week later, now a week to the day, Aaron Rodgers
finally spoke about his controversial comments, and here's what he said.
Speaker 10 (12:56):
And I said, a lot of people, and I'm quoting
myself here, a lot of people, including Jimmy Kimmel, are
really hoping that doesn't come out.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
End quote.
Speaker 10 (13:06):
That's what I said.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
That's the entire quote.
Speaker 10 (13:09):
Okay. I was referring to the fact that if there
is a list, which again this hasn't come out yet,
this was just a deposition, right, and there are names
on it, and that would be the second time that
a soft brain junior college students, you know, wacko anti
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vas anti semit purveyor spreader of misinformation, conspiracy theorist, maga,
whatever other things have been said by him and other
people in the media, would be right twice.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So it sounds like Rob what he's saying is that
he was saying when he initially made the comment that
Kimmel wasn't afraid of the Epstein list come out out
because he might be on it, but he was afraid
of it coming out because Aaron Rodgers would be right
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about something else. So I mean, that's plausible.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
But here's the thing. No, one took it that way well,
and because.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
First time, the first time you said it right, first
time you said it, no one knew all the things
you just clarified.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
So you owe that man an apology.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Because, uh, but this is where Chris and I'm with
you if you have to clarify it and you weren't
clear why people took it the way that they did.
And number two, if there was a journalist or somebody
there once he said it, Chris could have immediately said,
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do you have breaking news eron?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Why would Jimmy Kimmel not want the list to come out?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And then there's your moment for him to make That's
why you have to have people there as safeguards. So
that that stuff why Chris we said all the time,
we're not bragging with trained journalists. We would not let
anybody come on our show. We just have Mike Lombardi on.
Chris right, me and you both love Mike Lombardi when
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he pooh pulled the cheating scandal with Michigan, can we
just sit back right.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
No, he was on a team an organization that cheated,
that's all. And that's where rob journalist. It's not just.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
About trying to trap the person you're interviewing, trying to
get a great quote some of its clarity, and that
oftentimes can protect the person be an interviewed and Chris
that would contact ESPN, and I know that turned into
a big stink.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
If they had to apologize because you don't want to
be a part of something. You can't throw people's names
out and insinuate stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
You can.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Nah, you're right, that's a great point in how having
a journalist there who would have asked Rogers Jimmy Kimmel
is what what's the news on him? What do you
have on him? That would have protected Rogers? Now, Rob,
I do question. I think it's very possible just knowing
his track record, that Rogers is blowing smoke right, that
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that Rogers really did want to jab Kimmel, you know
what I mean, Yeah, associate him with that even if
he knew it was false and just throw it out
there and and not knowing the rules, you know what
I mean of libel and all that stuff. But still
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it would have either way, it would have came out
and he wouldn't have been able to say what he
just said if that was the case, Like if he
would have doubled down. Oh no, I'm telling you I've
heard things. You know, then now you can't tell this
lie if it's.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
A lie that you just told to clarify it.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But the bottom line, Rob and look Rogers, is he's
one of the greatest people to ever throw a football.
He's one of the greatest at something that the world
has ever seen.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
There's no doubt about anybody who says anything other they're
kiddna themselves.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
You don't have to you don't have to be online.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
With everybody up and follow their politics or their raw
process or their comments or whatever. But for what he
did in his professional career, he is one of the
greatest whoever did it?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Ever do that simple?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And I think I guess Rob and it doesn't happen
with everybody, but I guess that can also when you
are the best to ever do something, or one of
the best ever do something, maybe you just get full
of yourself, you know, because why wouldn't you go on
there and say, look, I didn't mean I mean an
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entirely different way. I didn't mean that Jimmy's name was
gonna be on the list. I didn't mean he's a pedophile.
I don't think that at all. But I didn't clarify it,
and so I'm I apologize for that.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Why couldn't you say that, I'm I'm with you one
hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
If if I said something to you and you said, hey, Rob,
that offends me, okay, that would be my chance, right there, Chris,
to say, if I really didn't mean to offend you,
I apologize.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
The only reason you wouldn't say that, apologize means that
you you you tried to. Because if someone says I'm
offended and you don't mean to offend somebody, it's a
real simple fix. Oh, Chris, I apologize. I didn't mean
it in that way. That's no, I didn't. I didn't
mean it in that way. There's no way. I don't
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know anything about the list as no way I'm saying
Jimmy Kimmel is involved in pedophile y'all. No, oh my god, No,
that's not what I'm met. That's all I'm gonna say
this about Rogers Rob. And you know his teammates voted
him most inspirational Jet this season. And you know I
was saying all year that his working out to try
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to get back, whether it was for attention, whether it
was selfishness, whether it was a force, whether it was unrealistic,
whatever the motive, I did think that that would motivate
his teammates, that that would inspire them just to see this.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Forty year old guy working it.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, and they and they confirmed it, so to speak,
by making him the most inspirational rob. I think the
best thing for him to do next year if he
wants to try to have the best season that the
Jets can have.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
And look, I'm not telling you that he can do
what he wants.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I don't want to take money out of anybody's pocket,
but I'm just saying this. I think the best thing
for him to do would be to four go the
weekly interviews and just say, look, it's all about football
this year. And he said it yesterday I believe it
(20:15):
was yesterday. But this week, yeah, like, let's leave the
BS out the building. Well, most of the BS is
coming from your interviews every.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Tuesday, and then everybody else has to respond or comment.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
About Rob he How inspiring would it be if he says, look,
y'all the preseason meeting, it's all about football. Nobody thinks
we can do it. I saw our defense. I watched
our defense all last year. You guys were great. I
saw Garrett get a thousand yards receiving and break a
(20:48):
Jets record, and with you know, you don't have to
diss the quarterbacks, but you know, with our quarterback situation,
with a bunch of different guys throwing him the ball,
I saw Breese run. We gotta I'm gonna do my job, fellas.
We got a chance to do something special. And so
it's all football. I'm not I'm not doing my weekly shows.
(21:11):
I'm not talking about all this other stuff. It's all
football now. He can talk Rob privately about all that
stuff with his teammates, with whoever, but just don't That's
what I would say. I think that would send a
message to his teammates that Yo, this is this season
is gonna be different.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
And I don't know that they're gonna be any good.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
He's two years removed now from playing some good football,
so he may not be that great.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
But Rob, let's keep it real.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
If their defense is really good and he's just mediocre,
next year, I mean, they could be okay, because.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
We saw that with Clevelandsburgh.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You know, but you you also know, like Miami, Intua,
Buffalo couch ain't no cakeb No.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I'm not saying picking him to do anything. I'm just saying, yeah,
I agree with yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
But but they got they ain't gonna be easy.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
No, no, no, no, they gonna they they gonna have
their hands for I mean, if they just make the playoffs,
that'll be good for them next year.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
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Speaker 3 (22:26):
All right, Speaking of Michigan, our next guest was the
quarterback there and now he's a college football analyst.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
On Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
We welcome in Devin Gardner. Devin, what's up, brother?
Speaker 9 (22:40):
My god?
Speaker 4 (22:41):
How are you doing great? Devin?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I want you to know I thought about you last
night when Michigan won the championship, and I figured.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
You were in your uh, your living room.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Watching the game, and you thought to yourself, I wish
they would have cheated. When I was a starting quarterback
at Michigan, I'd have a bishop.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
Rob.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
You never cease to amaze. I was wondering, what is
he gonna say. There's nothing he can say. They dominated him,
They beat Bama all these things and somehow you surprised
you with that very good well player.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Well there's plenty for him to say, yeah, he got
more too, do you, Devin?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
And Rob is gonna go here.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
But do you feel like in any way this championship
is tainted?
Speaker 9 (23:27):
Absolutely? Not right, because the one reason it would be
painted was because of the and I'm doing air quotes,
can't see sign stealing thing, And I think that kind
of should be dispelled unless you just want to hate
when you don't have the signs and you beat Ohio
State and then you don't have the signs, and you
beat Ayu in the championship, and then you don't have
(23:49):
the signs and you beat Big bad Ah Bama road side,
and then you don't have the signs. He went a
national championship going away in a very convince in fashion.
I don't think there should be any hate or asterisks
or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Well, well, Devin, here's a problem.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And he stood up there and said that they didn't
do anything, they're innocent or whatever. But the way he
backed down to the to the big ten after he
wanted his day in Cord, he can't say nothing happened.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
He threw two of his coaches off the boat.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Okay, he threw them off during this championship undefeated season.
If they did nothing wrong, and those are my guys
and I and I hired them, I would not have
put those guys off the team. If our hands are cleaned.
So there's already an admission if something was going on there,
and there's a further investigation that hasn't been finished.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
Well, the reason he throw those through those guys off
of the bus is not because they did anything wrong.
It's because of them. When they're NCAA tried to go
through their investigations, they almost campered with evidence. I guess
you could say like they didn't they were misleading, and
so the whole thing with Hardball was like, Hey, I'm
gonna be forthcoming. I'm gonna give you all their friends
you need. And if a coach were to do that,
(25:09):
now I have to back down because people in my
camp have kind of misled them and made them think
that we are doing something right. So I have to
get rid of them, and I have to back down
and take the three game sussension. And they still found it.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
What are they hiding Devin?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
And then being misleading about if nothing went on, what
are they misleading about.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
Well, I'm just telling you right now, the NC DOUBLEA.
I remember when I was in college and I was
driving one of my best friend's car and they put
me in a room, nice and cold like, they offered
me a cigarette, and they made it seem like I
was a criminal. They made it seem like I was
a criminal, right, And so they treat you like this,
and so maybe the coaches are trying to disarm the kids, like,
hey man, maybe don't say that. Maybe don't say this,
(25:48):
just because you don't want them to continue to press
you on things that maybe you aren't prepared for. They
treat it like the FBI. I'm just telling you, I've
been there.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I don't need to be You don't need to be
prepared for truth. Remember that, no need to hurt. You
don't need to be prepared or.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
Not raisy to be interrogated by the FBI would.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Want to talk about, to talk about truth and what
you know.
Speaker 9 (26:10):
I don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Doesn't matter what the question is, answer it truthfully and
you're good, Devin.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
What what do you need to prepare for?
Speaker 9 (26:19):
I think that's what we think that's what we want
to think, but that's not always the case.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
And you know that for a fact, den a lot
of people think this will be Jim Harbaugh's last game
in Michigan. What do you think and what do you
think he should do? What do you think he will
should do?
Speaker 9 (26:35):
I thought that it always was contingent on what JJ
McCarthy was going to do. And I think that he
kind of left us a nugget with SVP, And it's
a master job by SVP because everybody else goes with
these straightforward questions and then he just dodges them and deflects. Right,
you can't ask him these straightforward question but SDT kind
of tricked him into answering the question for his future.
(26:57):
And when he said, hey, what do you when you
start doing stuff again? You know when you start, you know,
you get off of this high from the championship to
start again, and he said, yeah, I told the guys
that we're gonna put spring ball back a month, right,
And so that kind of indicates maybe he was always
planning to come back. Obviously, thinks can change and different
things like that. But if JJ McCarthy stayed, which I
(27:19):
think he almost has to right now to improve his
draft stocks. I think that he stayed because he doesn't
want to leave him a kid that he has made
it very clear that he looked at as a son.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Uh. I just I think the time is right for
him to move on, especially because of the pending investigation
and the idea. And if I'm Jim Harbar, I still
hold I'm still a little you know saw at Michigan
because they I mean he was he was, he was
pay cud and they were ready to run him out
(27:50):
of there. He went to the Minnesota job you remember
in the NFL. But yeah, because he went there on
National signing Day thinking he was going to be offered
that job. I mean, dev you remember that. So he
had wonderfult out of Michigan. So if I have a
chance to go out on top and before the s
hits the fan, right with the investigation, I think I
(28:12):
take it and their jobs out there and there's money.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
To be made and you can wash your hand. He
did his job at Michigan.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
What's left it is rob the one thing I think
we're underestimating. And and to me and you that sounds
like a great idea, right just because you did your part.
You kept your promise and now you can go get
paid and go get other things that you desire. But
I think we're kind of underestimating how much this man
truly truly loved Michigan. Like he grew up in Michigan,
(28:39):
like he is like bred from it seems like birth.
He went the Pioneers right Pie High, right across from which.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Is across that's a high school across the street, Chris.
Speaker 9 (28:49):
Right across the street from Michigan Right. He has been
in the shadow of that, the big house, and then
he finally gets his opportunity. Obviously, the whole turmoil. I
think that he'll look past that and just kind of
bring them to the table with a contract that is
almost absurd, where we get so much money. Because he
loves Michigan, I think he truly wants to say, at
(29:09):
least until JJ McCarthy's.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Gone, Well, you keep mentioning McCarthy, how what talk about
me or talk to me about his prospects in the NFL.
You know, we haven't they're kind of he's been a
game manager at Michigan, and he's been a great one,
but you know, we haven't really seen him carrying offense
with his arm. So what kind of NFL prospect do
(29:32):
you see him as?
Speaker 9 (29:33):
So the one thing that I started kind of talking
about when I call games about guys is kind of
changing that narrative of game manager to game controller, Right.
I think there's a difference there, Right, A game manager
just don't mess this up and whatever. But a game controller,
when you need a play, he makes a play. When
you don't need him to play, he doesn't mess it up,
(29:54):
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Right?
Speaker 9 (29:55):
And I feel like he did a very good job
this year of being in control of game and so
it's a little more inside and nuanced than you can
see just watching them on TV. Right, changing protections to
protect himself something that he's going to be actually do
at the next level that most college quarterbacks do not do,
and that's why they struggle at the next level. Being
able to make throws when his backings against the wall,
(30:16):
being able to make timely runs, and being able to
have enough humility to stay out of the way when
you don't need them. I think that's an underrated skill
because so many quarterbacks get in their own way because
they want to win the hides and they want to
have all the gaudy set. They want to be famous,
and I think that his humility. Humility allows Rahmuk along
with his development as a pure progression red passer, and
(30:39):
he has good accuracy, good arm strength. I think he's
a good NFL prospect now when I take him number
one overall, Absolutely not because he, like you said, hasn't
proven that he can throw the ball forty times a
game and make sure that you win the game on
his arm alone. But all the other stuff, as far
as mentally understanding the quarterback position in itself and having
(30:59):
the tool to be able to do that, I think
that he's a first round pick for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
How about last thing here, How when you think about
it to be to forget about nineteen ninety seven in
the mythical national championship, but the first outright championship from
Michigan since nineteen forty eight. When you think about that,
do you go, how in the world could this program
not have won a national champ bo sham Beckler was coach.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Like it's mind boggling.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I know people hold Michigan because of the history that
they have and how long they've been there and all that,
and you know in college football and all the wins,
but the lack of being wins. I mean, like it's shocking,
isn't it.
Speaker 9 (31:45):
God. I talked extensively on a show called The Rally
today about what this kind of this win means, and
I think it kind of legitimizes all the things that
we say as Michigan people and as Michigan fans that
maybe it's not quite true. Right, the one thousand plus
wins and all of that, it means nothing essentially because
we didn't win the big win. We never got the
(32:06):
chance to get to the big dance and win it,
especially outright as of late in this century, when everybody's
playing football right, and the kind of elitist attitude that
Michigan fans have, it was almost for not for so long,
just because you didn't prove it on the field. You
got a bunch of wins, but it didn't mean anything.
And not to mention, Odio State was dominating us for
(32:28):
so long. But I think that Jim Harball has restored
all those things, and now everybody can walk around with
their chests out and say, hey, we are the blue
bloods in college football because we now do have that
undefeated only fifteen teams have gone fifteen to zero and
won a national championship understood it, and Michigan is one
of those teams.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
It was special, all right, congratulations man on the championship.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
They need you know.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
My daughter was a graduate of Michigan or is in
twenty twenty, so is all hyped up?
Speaker 9 (33:01):
So hello, than congratulations.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
We'll do man. Thanks for coming on and having
Speaker 9 (33:08):
I love you guys,
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