January 16, 2024 • 34 mins
Chris and Rob tell us if head coach Nick Siranni has to take the fall for the Philadelphia Eagles’ epic collapse to end the season, debate whether or not the Pittsburgh Steelers should fire Mike Tomlin in the wake of yet another disappointing postseason performance and discuss the narrative that Jalen Hurts is set to become Carson Wentz 2.0 for the Eagles.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Last night, Rob, I saw something last night and I look,
I knew the Eagles were falling apart.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Right, we could all see that.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You have to be you don't have to be a
former head coach in the NFL to see that the
Eagles were literally falling apart.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Rob getting worse by.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
We were in denial, Chris. We were in denial.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I last night watching them, I'm like, why did I
think they could win or they could get.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
It turned up? We were in denial.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Because of their run last year they made it to
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
They were done. We were in denial. They were done.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And and and credit to Tampa Bay and Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
We'll talk about him, Chris.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
They shredded them. They were in total domination in that game.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, I mean, I don't understand what happened to them,
because even when they were ten and one, Rob and
a lot of people were talking about even they were
talking about, well, we're not playing well you know.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
They remember that, we kept saying they're not the ten
and one dominating.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yea, And they weren't blowing out by the out.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
But Rob, six of those ten wins came against playoff teams.
I mean, they beat Kansas City, they beat Dallas, they
beat Buffalo like they were even though they weren't blowing
teams out, they still were beating good teams, and all
of a sudden they just fell apart the San Francisco game,
(01:55):
But Rob, I stopped like even up.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Until up through the Arizona loss.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Obviously they were playing horribly, but I was like, I
still thought there was a glimmer.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Of hope, like they'll they'll, they'll turn it around.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
The New York Giants loss in the season finale, when
they were essentially blown out by the Giants, down big
early on, that's when I was like, it's over.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
And then Rob, but did you think game no?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I was no.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I picked them, And I also thought because I picked
them to loss. Not that they were afraid of the Cowboys.
I don't think they were afraid of the Cowboys. But
my point is I thought they would look at the
Cowboys game and be like, you know what, this is new?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
The Cowboys were playing great and they go out and
have a stinker. We've been playing badly. Let's go out
and have a great game. We know it's in us.
We just gotta shake off the last month and a
half two months and be ourselves. Like but Rob, what
I saw last night was it was not a normal
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loss to me, Like I even think the Cowboys, which
was more surprising, right, that lost to me, it was
more surprising. But the Cowboys, even though they choked, and
I don't think they obviously didn't play well.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I didn't think they were sleepwalking.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
What I saw from the Eagles, Rob, was a team
that was dejected, dispirited, lack confidence, lack desire. We had
defenders bumping into each other.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
We're picking each other off, picking each other off.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Right, They had thirteen misstackles. The Buccaneers had two hundred
and nineteen yards after the catch and Rob, I feel
like I could count on one hand how many times
a buccaneer ball carrier was tackled on first contact right right,
because would hit him and he might drag game three
(04:00):
or four more yards spin get away from him. It
was some of the big plays the Buccaneers had. The
dude should have been tackled by four guys right.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
A lot of it was tackling Chris, not tackling, grabbing
people high h like around the neck, like, not tackling
hitting him, not wrapping people over right, hitting people.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
And you're right, there were times when a guy would
be touched by four people and still keep going and
nobody could bring him down.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And and a lot of Chris, we talk about it
all the time, punching of the football, trying to strip
people rather than bring him down. I understand people want
turnovers and are trying to get the football, but to
do that and and and let the guy get another
seven or eight yards when you're punching at the football
read rather than tackling him makes no sense to me.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
It was. It was ridiculous, and the offense wasn't much better.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I mean, I thought they got back in the game
with the big with the big but with the big play,
and they came within a touchdown, and I'm like, hey,
cause because remember Tempa was selling for threes Chris right,
and I was like, they were in this game. Now
they're only down by seven? Was it eight or well
it was sixteen to nineteen to nine? Because they I'm saying,
(05:15):
remember they they went for two.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And I do think that was big because I thought.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Sirianni, I get what he was trying to do, but
I think he should have just kept.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
The extra point.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
It wasn't like there's not much of a difference between
being down five and six.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So I think what he was trying to do with
the Toush push.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Remember they got the penalty on the field extra point,
so he said, oh, we're closer to the gold line, right,
I mean, let's push it and get two and then
you make the game. Onneave, you got all the momentum, right,
And I think he's thinking, Okay, we will exert our
power over them and instead when they don't get it
for you know, I mean they rarely miss. I thought
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that was big mentally because it was like, oh, like
I knew they weren't there after they didn't get that
Toush push, but Rob the only thing in sports and
just for a note, the Bucks are the only team
stopped them twice on that tush push, only only the
bus They stopped them in the earlier part game in
(06:12):
the season when Philly bid in by.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Two touchdowns, so that they did it twye.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think I think Vave has something to do with
that on the Tampa Bay line.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
But Rob to me and I don't know if you
saw it.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Like I did, but I felt like I just felt
like I saw I was watching darn near zombies out there.
I didn't think they were in the in the They
looked like they were somewhere else mentally and emotionally. And
the only thing I can compare it to was remember
Lebron in the twenty eleven finals against the Mavericks, right
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when after they're up to one and then he just
kind of disappears like he didn't look like himself for
the next few games.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Would always say turned to Google.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Right, I thought that's what this was, except it was
a whole team and it was for about two months.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
But that is what like.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
That's the only thing I can compare it to, where
they just I mean, James Bradberry was a freaking pro
bowler last year and he looked like one of us
trying to tackle guys. I mean, it was ridiculous and
it was bad. Roberts, So do you think Sirianni has.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
To go because of this?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'm gonna say, Christian You know me, I was like, Oh,
you're always trying to fire everybody.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I'm gonna say no, and I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I told you before, I thought it was gonna be
very difficult anyway to try to run it back and
make the same run Chris Hangover. Yeah, And they lost
their offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, some defensive players.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
And I told you I never.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Believed Jalen Hurts was gonna put together, not that he
was gonna be a ball or terrible Chris, but not
played like he played last year.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
That was out of nowhere. He went from I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
If he could throw the ball consistently to be a
starting quarterback in the NFL to an MVP candidate like overnight.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
And I was like, God, how could that happen?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And is he gonna be able to duplicate that or
stay on that kind of level And he hasn't been
able to do.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
That this year.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Those were just facts that can't be denied.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Jalen Hurts has to look in the mirror. He was
not himself rout.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I think with him, and maybe I'll be wrong, but
I wouldn't be surprised if in a week or two.
I don't think it'd be that long from now that
we hear, oh, he's gonna have some.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
No, I think he's heard Christy.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
The arthroscopic little clean up, you know what I mean,
were something he could play through, but it was bothering him.
I wouldn't be shocked at all if that happens, I
actually expected.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I'm with you on serious.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Look, Bill Belichick available, That's definitely something that piques my
interest if I'm the Eagles, and to me, Rob it's
a nuanced fancier that what I saw last night and
really over the past month and a half, two months,
and last night was just the pinnacle of it. I
(09:17):
thought I saw a team where this is beyond football,
This is beyond not having great players, because we know
they do have a lot of great players. But this
looks like something is going on in that organization, or
something is going on in that locker room that ruined
this team. I don't know if, and I might I'm
(09:40):
just speculating, but I'm just going by what I saw.
I don't know if what did something happen between players
or groups of players, or is it simply that they
lost complete faith in Nick Sirianni and the rest of
the coaches.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yad football, Rob.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
No, I hear you, because something did happen, But Chris
Plays keep saying, y'all don't know what happened, and we don't.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
It seemed like something And that's my point with quickly
with Sirianni. Rob, if it was like something out of
his control, maybe there was a beef between two players
or factions of players that it was just he couldn't
you know, it's something that won't hang around next year,
but it was something that ruined this year and the
players still have his back.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Then I think you can keep him.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
But if it's as simple as you know what, he
lost them, Hurts doesn't believe in him.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Kelsey's gonna retire teams, but you know, Kelsey lost.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
He lost Kelsey, he lost the leaders of that locker
room because they don't believe in it. Then I think
he's asked to go because you need you can't have
that type of situation.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
But if it's something else, and I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
That's why I'm saying, I'm i gotta do a deep
dive if I'm the leadership in Philadelphia and find out
what really.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Make sure there already know.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
But right there might be like a dead rat stuck
behind the refrigerator.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
It really might be Rob.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
I mean, I'm serious.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I played basketball in college.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You know it was small college, but still things happen
man sometimes between teammates and it can throw off the chemistry.
And so I don't know if something like that happened.
I have no idea. I'm just saying it looks to
me like something is going on emotionally with that team,
(11:33):
and if it stems from Sirianni, then he's I think
he has to go.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
If it's something else, then they can keep you.
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Speaker 3 (12:33):
Let's get to another team that lost yesterday, the Pittsburgh
Steelers and Nate Look, I think most people feel like
they did a great job just to get in the playoffs.
I mean their quarterback play is atrocious and that is
not an overstatement. I mean they just don't have it.
They got some of the worst quarterback play in the league.
(12:57):
But Mike Tomlin does it again gets him into the
playoffs at ten and seven. Yeah, they lost yesterday to
a better team, period, and they'll know it's SAMs.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Or butts about it.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Buffalo is straight up better, especially when TJ wats out.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
TJ. Watt didn't play yesterday, so.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
The Steelers had no chance, but they're going to war
with Mason Rudolph and Kenny Pickett and Mitch Trabisky. I mean,
they got to get a quarterback. But the big story,
of course, was after the game, Mike Tomlin was asked
by a reporter about his contract. Got one year left,
Rob next season, But you know, you it's rare that
(13:36):
teams will have a coach going the lame duck year.
It happens, but you would think if they're gonna keep Tomlin,
if they want to keep him, they will offer him
a long term extension. And he didn't answer the question
about his contract.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
He just walked off in a huff.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
So Rob, there were reports that he told the team
today that he will be back next year, and I'm
not I certainly don't think Mike Tomlin is a liar,
but I also think he may be saying, look, I'm
under contract for a year. And I certainly don't think
he lied to the players, But it is true, right,
if you got a year left on your deal, generally
(14:16):
you're like, yeah, I got a year left.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I mean, I don't.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
There was talk that maybe he'd walk away. You know,
don't know that that's going to happen. But yeah, I mean,
I rob the Steelers do not really fire coaches. Chuck No,
Bill Kawer, Mike Tomlin. That's how they do it, and
that's been you know, that's been successful there for them.
(14:43):
They've got as many Super Bowls as any other franchise
in history.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
So where are you at on the Toimelin situation.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
The time has come for the Pittsburgh Steelers to stop
playing this.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
We don't fire coaches.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
We take care of guys, and they are coaching for
a long time and all that stop it.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Mike Tomlin should be fired Chris if you're not going
to extend him, which tells you that you have an
issue at hand.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
He can't come in as a lame dunk.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Why is he?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Why is he coaching for his new contract?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
If you just made the playoffs, you know why he's
coaching for a new contract. Because the playoff drought continues
seven seasons without a postseason win.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
We don't know that they're not going on.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I'm talking about right now. They could easily say, Chris,
he's coming back or working on a.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
New dal, and they shouldn't offer him, are you. They
should not.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
They should not n ot seven years without a playoff win,
the longest buy of Pittsburgh squad Christ since nineteen seventy
still is a zero to four in the playoffs since
twenty seventeen. And you're right, the quarterback in his terror.
Let me tell you what else is terrible. Their defense
is terrible, allowing forty one and a half points per game, Chris,
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forty one.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
And a half.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
What yess yes? With those four playoffs.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And those four playoff games oh and four forty one
and a half, Their defense is bad.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
With with the negative forty nine point differential and a
negative eight turnover differential in four games, all of them,
Chris are NFL worst since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
And that's per NFL research. Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
All I'm saying is you can play this game, and
we were the rules.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Over that's over a six year period, and we're.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
We're running this like a mom and pop store and
all that kind of stuff. These are horrific numbers, and
maybe just maybe you know, people have stopped listening to
a guy who's been around so long without any results.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I really believe that I couldn't disagree with you more.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I think that Tom Blood, is that the statement blood
out of a turnip?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Is that it? Okay? I got that? Like, I mean,
come on, Rob.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Now, I did pick this team to make the playoffs,
but I thought Kenny Pickett was gonna mature.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
He was no better.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
And Rob, all Pittsburgh needs to do is get a QB.
And I got the QB for them to go get.
You know who it is, Russell Wilson. Go get Russell Wilson.
I got some nice receivers for Russell Wilson to throw
(17:46):
the football, better receivers.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Than he had in Denver. I'm not saying.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
He's the old Russell Wilson, but I do still think
he's a can be a good, not great, but good quarterback.
And he can throw to George Pickens, he can throw
it to Deontay Johnson. I got Najie Harrison, Jalen.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Warren running the football.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I got a defense that's stout. The reason they get
blown out in the playoffs because they're not as good
as the other teams. Tomlin's working miracles to get them
to the playoffs and then they you know, the cream
rises to the top and they get paid.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
But man, this dude, in a league.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Where you almost have to have a quarterback to be
like a contender or a playoff team. He does it
without a quarter I mean Roethlisberger toward the end of
his career. We know he wasn't great, and they've been
just trying different guys, different media, actually not even mediocre quarterbacks,
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basically second unit quarterbacks they've had to start. And I'm
telling go get Pittsburgh. Listen to a brother, Go get
Russell Wilson. You can get him cheap. He's still gonna
get his thirty five to forty million whatever it is
from Denver if they cut him in March or before then,
(19:14):
and then you can get him, probably for the league minimum.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Where's Russ going? Buffalo?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
No, Miami, No New England. Why would you go there?
They need a quarterback? But why'd you go there? New
York Jets, No, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, no, Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, No.
Tennessee might want him, but no, they got Will Levis.
Denver's gonna be out. Kansas City Raiders. Why would you
(19:44):
go there? Chargers? No, Like that's just the AFC. I mean,
there's only a few spaces war in Atlanta, Washington.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Why go to Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
You got a great coach, out a defense, you got
a winning culture, you got running backs, you got receivers.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Man, I think they do that. They should do that
and keep Tim and Rob.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, I disagree. I just think sometimes a guy can
be around too long. And everybody thought Russell Wilson was
going to be the answer in Denver.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Oh, they got this great defense.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
All you gotta do is add a quarterback and add
some water and stir and let's give him a boatload
of money.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
And Denver's going to the super Bowl. That didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And all I'm saying is, Chris, if we're gonna give
Tomlin credit for not having a losing seat record ever
and going to the playoffs and this and that the performance,
you're good enough to go.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
You're good enough to I get it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
But you're good enough to make the playoffs and win
ten games or eleven games the year that they went, Chris,
when they lost to the Browns in Baker Mayfield, they
started the year nine to zero or ten and one,
and then they were they were frauds.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
They were fraud We could were You never believe I did.
I was with you. I never believed in them because
they weren't that good. Like that's my point. He is
taking teams that aren't that good and making.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Them playoff teams. But once you get there, it's just
like you hit the ceiling. We can't do it. We're
not winning a playoff game with Mason Rudolph as our
quarterback against Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Who we kidding.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I just think sometimes you hold on the coaches too long.
Go look, Chris, you brought up Chuck Nole. Look look
at after he won those Super Bowls early how long
he went where they didn't win? Chris, They didn't win
for a long time under Chuck Nole. I don't remember Bill.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Cowers agree, but they weren't even making the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
No, I'm just saying, but you under time.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Like I look, if Toimelind were to be on the market,
I love to see and I don't know if Philly
will get rid of serials, but if Tomlin got on
the market, rob and and Sirianni was gone in Philly.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
That's where I'd like to see Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I'd like to see Belichick in Dallas. Tomlin and Philly.
Rabel can go to Atlanta or Washington and Harball to
the Chargers and I'm assuming at this point Buffalo keep McDermott.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
But oh yeah, I mean I think the way that
the season is shaped up.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
So you think if they lose to Kansas City, I
get it, you lose the defending champions, the no shame
and now I don't think that.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I don't think what I would look at.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
But that game is at that game is at home,
no chance, and this is their chance and.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
They're supposed to rob They're supposed to be a super
Bowl team. And if you don't beat Kansas City, now
when their offensive is right when you beating them, so
you got them in Buffalo, their offense is down.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
So I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
If they don't win against Kansas City again, I think
mcdermot's a bad coach.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
But we might need a culture ship, so you know.
But I disagree with.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
You on Tomlin. I think the dude is phenomenal. I
don't think he's gonna steale. I just think they need
a quarterback. You need a quarterback in this league in
most cases to have a chance to win.
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Speaker 3 (23:32):
You felt like in the preseason you talked about how
you don't think Jalen Hurts will ever correct me if
I'm wrong, ever duplicate what he did last season when
he was the Cats.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Me out, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Not only great in the regular season, rob, but phenomenal
in the Super Bowl. I mean, I can't say phenomenal,
but great. He did have yeah, one turnover, one turnovers
in the game.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Yeah, yeah, that of.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
That, he was awesome.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
He was amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
And he did indeed rob drop off this year. Completion percentage,
down touchdowns. He threw twenty three and seventeen games verse
twenty two and fifteen games last year. So down interceptions
that's the biggie. Only six last year, fifteen this week.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Big time. That's a big number, Chris.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
And passer rating down yards per game down. And didn't
run the ball like he did last year either. So
I'm gonna ask you what we asked Anthony Gargano, and
he said, Anthony that he's in Philly. They're calling Jalen
Hurts Jalen Wentz in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Already because they that didn't last long right right, well.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know, Philly, but they fear that they may have
made if they made another mistake rob, like when they
gave Hurts the huge deal, not max huge deal, after
just that one great season when he got hurt and
he was never the same. If they did the same
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thing with Jalen Hurts, my gosh, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, Chris, and I didn't say it because I thought.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Jalen Hurts can't play. I didn't. It was where he
went from one.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And it's good that we had Anthony Gargana one because
he was the guy we had.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Talked to Chris that prior year.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Where there was question marks can he throw the ball
consistently of enough to be a quarterback? And you remember
that that we had that kind was a real conversation.
I remember a DC. I loved this kid. I love him,
but I don't know if he could throw the ball.
So he went from that to just something that was
(25:53):
nearly MVP worthy, like he had such a out of nowhere, breakout,
bust out seaton And it happens sometimes when somebody finally
gets it and it clicks.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
But I just thought to myself, can he really do?
Is that who he is?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I just wasn't sure that is who he was, Chris.
It just didn't fit the guy who a year earlier
people were questioning, like it's normally not questioning whether you
belong in the league too.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
I'm an I'm an MVP candidate the next year.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
What really, I'm gonna say this, Obviously, Jaylen Hurts had
a down year. If you put a gun to my
head rib and say pick is he going to be
a great quarterback or.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
A good you know good or yeah good? Yeah good?
Because good is not good enough, right right? Good is
gonna have to be great. He needs to be great.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I'm gonna say great because I believe in his character,
I believe in his work ethic, and I believe in
his talent. Now, he's not a naw natural you know,
Patrick Mahomes type passer. He's not all right you like
you said. I mean, those were the questions. Those have
(27:09):
been the questions his whole career. Yep, college, right, he
was a runner. I mean, he could throw it some,
but he wasn't like viewed as this wasn't a Trevor Law.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Remember, he lost his job in college, one of the
biggest benching in the history of sports.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
And now to his credit, and this is what I'm
talking about, he regrouped there at Alabama and of course
went to Oklahoma and did it yep. And so I'm
gonna believe that he's going to regroup. And I also
believe Robby's been banged up. There's some type of injury there.
And Rob remember and this is again, he's really a
(27:50):
micro version of the team because Rob going into that
game against San Francisco, guess who was right there near
the top.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Of the MVP race, if not at the top, Jalen Hurts.
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
And then when they got demolished by San Francisco forty
two nineteen, he fell apart and so did the team.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
It wasn't like, now, was he playing as well as
last year early on? Probably not, but he's still Rob.
And you notice he was in the MVP race.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
With a new.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Coordinator and all of that. So I look, Rob, I
think this was a strange season, and.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
I think what we found out Rob and Joe Burrow
is kind of a mystery just because he's hurt a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
It's to the point, Rob where we we have to
bake in if he's healthy.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Right with Joe.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Back, we do that.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
There's certain people we have to say, if Kevin Durant's healthy,
if Kyrie's healthy, if you know, like Anthony David is healthy, right,
like like that has to come before we mention them.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
So when you talk about like the top five quarterbacks,
there are only a few that are definitively in there.
Obviously Mahomes, I'd say Josh Allen Burrow, like you said,
we're gonna put the asterisks and keep him out of
this because if he's healthy.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Lamar has gotten himself back into that.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Rob probably would have been top five the last few
years had he not been hurt.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
But a rock. And I'm not gonna throw CJ.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Stroud in yet, even though he was a top five
quarterback this year, just because he's got to, you know,
prove it again as a rookie, right, He's got to
do it another year. And if he does this next year, Rob,
then we'll be like, oh, he's just just a great one,
like Burt is just a great one.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
But outside of those three, Rob, then it's it's gonna
it's gonna be fluid. And Hurts is in that group,
Dak Dak was a top five quarterback in the regular season,
but obviously we saw him wet the bed on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Boy did it. They had to buy new sheets.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
That was a bad one.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
And so I think, you know, will brock Perdy get
in there, you know, we'll see what type of playoff
run they have. Matt Stafford like, it's that group, rob
after three, it's going to fluctuate, and Hurts will be
in that group unless he solidifies himself, you know, as
a guy that's always got to be there. So I
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don't think they've blown it. You know, remember, Robber, you
noticed some of the problem with Hurts. I mean I
Hurts was.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
That there were locker room things, right, locker room issues,
you know, is he too arrogant? You know, full of it?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
So all that stuff. There's none of that with Hurts.
And so but he's not he might not be as
naturally gifted as a pass or at least as wins.
But but there are some reports and rob g jump
in there was some things that they think and I
don't want to misquote it.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
I can break it, break it down because the CBS
Sports last week and this this was before that. ESPN
report that came out saying that Jalen Hurts, Sirianni, and
the offensive coordinated were disconnected. They weren't on the same page.
That was one of the reasons. But before that, Lost
in the Saws. Two days before that, CBS Sports reported
(31:48):
by way of the Philadelphia Inquirer that there were several
players in the Eagles locker room who had an issue
with Jalen Hurts his stoic personality, specifically when they're in
because when things go wrong, he's the same as he's always.
He's kind of quiet, keeps to himself, goes about his business, YadA, YadA, YadA.
That's fine when you're going well, because you know, hey,
(32:10):
not to high, not you low.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
He's a guy.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
But when they need that kick in the ass, that
Tom Brady get in your face.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
To the off screen scream at somebody not who he is.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
And so the Carson Wentz comparison, even it's different personality traits,
but they have a lot more in common even statistically.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Well, here's what I here's what I would say about
the comparison as far as the locker room. They I
take that quote and correct me rob you if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I take that quote to be like, yo, we need
brother step up, we need him to correct, Yes, say something.
I don't take it as dude is getting on my nerves. No,
not dude. Think he all that. He ain't. He really ain't.
And I'm a smack him if he's thinking, you know
what I mean? Like which different yea character definition? I
will say this.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I will say this, though Hurts does need to step up,
you can always learn, right, you can learn at to.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Be a leader or a better leader.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I should say he's already say.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
You can learn to be a better leader, and you
don't have to be careful because you know it's hard
to go.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
You know, they always say it with coaches robbing.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I think it's true because I had it happened in
my little basketball you know life, where a coach who
was a nice guy tries to all of.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
A sudden become hardcore.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
You can't do it, people, You go hardcore to softer,
you can't go the other way.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And I don't think Hurts was soft, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 3 (33:43):
But I think he was just not really according to
this report, not really saying much at all.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
So I think you can probably make that jump.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, And I think they don't want him to be
totally different. But you can't be lase fair Chris. When
when Rome is burning like somebody, I'm gonna have to
kick somebody here.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
What are we doing? You guys up front? You better
block for me or whatever it.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Is, right, dude, do your job right right.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You don't know how many times after yell at robb
G about inside the Parker, do your job.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
No, rob G, No, No, that's true.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
That is facts. Text now exactly you a text.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Absolutely, He gets the picture
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Last night, Rob, I saw something last night and I look,
I knew the Eagles were falling apart.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Right, we could all see that.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You have to be you don't have to be a
former head coach in the NFL to see that the
Eagles were literally falling apart.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Rob getting worse by.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
We were in denial, Chris. We were in denial.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I last night watching them, I'm like, why did I
think they could win or they could get.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
It turned up? We were in denial.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Because of their run last year they made it to
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
They were done. We were in denial. They were done.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And and and credit to Tampa Bay and Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
We'll talk about him, Chris.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
They shredded them. They were in total domination in that game.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, I mean, I don't understand what happened to them,
because even when they were ten and one, Rob and
a lot of people were talking about even they were
talking about, well, we're not playing well you know.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
They remember that, we kept saying they're not the ten
and one dominating.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yea, And they weren't blowing out by the out.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
But Rob, six of those ten wins came against playoff teams.
I mean, they beat Kansas City, they beat Dallas, they
beat Buffalo like they were even though they weren't blowing
teams out, they still were beating good teams, and all
of a sudden they just fell apart the San Francisco game,
(01:55):
But Rob, I stopped like even up.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Until up through the Arizona loss.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Obviously they were playing horribly, but I was like, I
still thought there was a glimmer.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Of hope, like they'll they'll, they'll turn it around.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
The New York Giants loss in the season finale, when
they were essentially blown out by the Giants, down big
early on, that's when I was like, it's over.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
And then Rob, but did you think game no?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I was no.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I picked them, And I also thought because I picked
them to loss. Not that they were afraid of the Cowboys.
I don't think they were afraid of the Cowboys. But
my point is I thought they would look at the
Cowboys game and be like, you know what, this is new?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
The Cowboys were playing great and they go out and
have a stinker. We've been playing badly. Let's go out
and have a great game. We know it's in us.
We just gotta shake off the last month and a
half two months and be ourselves. Like but Rob, what
I saw last night was it was not a normal
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loss to me, Like I even think the Cowboys, which
was more surprising, right, that lost to me, it was
more surprising. But the Cowboys, even though they choked, and
I don't think they obviously didn't play well.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I didn't think they were sleepwalking.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
What I saw from the Eagles, Rob, was a team
that was dejected, dispirited, lack confidence, lack desire. We had
defenders bumping into each other.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
We're picking each other off, picking each other off.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Right, They had thirteen misstackles. The Buccaneers had two hundred
and nineteen yards after the catch and Rob, I feel
like I could count on one hand how many times
a buccaneer ball carrier was tackled on first contact right right,
because would hit him and he might drag game three
(04:00):
or four more yards spin get away from him. It
was some of the big plays the Buccaneers had. The
dude should have been tackled by four guys right.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
A lot of it was tackling Chris, not tackling, grabbing
people high h like around the neck, like, not tackling
hitting him, not wrapping people over right, hitting people.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
And you're right, there were times when a guy would
be touched by four people and still keep going and
nobody could bring him down.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And and a lot of Chris, we talk about it
all the time, punching of the football, trying to strip
people rather than bring him down. I understand people want
turnovers and are trying to get the football, but to
do that and and and let the guy get another
seven or eight yards when you're punching at the football
read rather than tackling him makes no sense to me.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
It was. It was ridiculous, and the offense wasn't much better.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I mean, I thought they got back in the game
with the big with the big but with the big play,
and they came within a touchdown, and I'm like, hey,
cause because remember Tempa was selling for threes Chris right,
and I was like, they were in this game. Now
they're only down by seven? Was it eight or well
it was sixteen to nineteen to nine? Because they I'm saying,
(05:15):
remember they they went for two.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And I do think that was big because I thought.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Sirianni, I get what he was trying to do, but
I think he should have just kept.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
The extra point.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
It wasn't like there's not much of a difference between
being down five and six.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So I think what he was trying to do with
the Toush push.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Remember they got the penalty on the field extra point,
so he said, oh, we're closer to the gold line, right,
I mean, let's push it and get two and then
you make the game. Onneave, you got all the momentum, right,
And I think he's thinking, Okay, we will exert our
power over them and instead when they don't get it
for you know, I mean they rarely miss. I thought
(05:52):
that was big mentally because it was like, oh, like
I knew they weren't there after they didn't get that
Toush push, but Rob the only thing in sports and
just for a note, the Bucks are the only team
stopped them twice on that tush push, only only the
bus They stopped them in the earlier part game in
(06:12):
the season when Philly bid in by.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Two touchdowns, so that they did it twye.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think I think Vave has something to do with
that on the Tampa Bay line.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
But Rob to me and I don't know if you
saw it.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Like I did, but I felt like I just felt
like I saw I was watching darn near zombies out there.
I didn't think they were in the in the They
looked like they were somewhere else mentally and emotionally. And
the only thing I can compare it to was remember
Lebron in the twenty eleven finals against the Mavericks, right
(06:47):
when after they're up to one and then he just
kind of disappears like he didn't look like himself for
the next few games.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Would always say turned to Google.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Right, I thought that's what this was, except it was
a whole team and it was for about two months.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
But that is what like.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
That's the only thing I can compare it to, where
they just I mean, James Bradberry was a freaking pro
bowler last year and he looked like one of us
trying to tackle guys. I mean, it was ridiculous and
it was bad. Roberts, So do you think Sirianni has.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
To go because of this?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'm gonna say, Christian You know me, I was like, Oh,
you're always trying to fire everybody.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I'm gonna say no, and I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I told you before, I thought it was gonna be
very difficult anyway to try to run it back and
make the same run Chris Hangover. Yeah, And they lost
their offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, some defensive players.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
And I told you I never.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Believed Jalen Hurts was gonna put together, not that he
was gonna be a ball or terrible Chris, but not
played like he played last year.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
That was out of nowhere. He went from I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
If he could throw the ball consistently to be a
starting quarterback in the NFL to an MVP candidate like overnight.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
And I was like, God, how could that happen?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And is he gonna be able to duplicate that or
stay on that kind of level And he hasn't been
able to do.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
That this year.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Those were just facts that can't be denied.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Jalen Hurts has to look in the mirror. He was
not himself rout.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I think with him, and maybe I'll be wrong, but
I wouldn't be surprised if in a week or two.
I don't think it'd be that long from now that
we hear, oh, he's gonna have some.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
No, I think he's heard Christy.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
The arthroscopic little clean up, you know what I mean,
were something he could play through, but it was bothering him.
I wouldn't be shocked at all if that happens, I
actually expected.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I'm with you on serious.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Look, Bill Belichick available, That's definitely something that piques my
interest if I'm the Eagles, and to me, Rob it's
a nuanced fancier that what I saw last night and
really over the past month and a half, two months,
and last night was just the pinnacle of it. I
(09:17):
thought I saw a team where this is beyond football,
This is beyond not having great players, because we know
they do have a lot of great players. But this
looks like something is going on in that organization, or
something is going on in that locker room that ruined
this team. I don't know if, and I might I'm
(09:40):
just speculating, but I'm just going by what I saw.
I don't know if what did something happen between players
or groups of players, or is it simply that they
lost complete faith in Nick Sirianni and the rest of
the coaches.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yad football, Rob.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
No, I hear you, because something did happen, But Chris
Plays keep saying, y'all don't know what happened, and we don't.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
It seemed like something And that's my point with quickly
with Sirianni. Rob, if it was like something out of
his control, maybe there was a beef between two players
or factions of players that it was just he couldn't
you know, it's something that won't hang around next year,
but it was something that ruined this year and the
players still have his back.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Then I think you can keep him.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
But if it's as simple as you know what, he
lost them, Hurts doesn't believe in him.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Kelsey's gonna retire teams, but you know, Kelsey lost.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
He lost Kelsey, he lost the leaders of that locker
room because they don't believe in it. Then I think
he's asked to go because you need you can't have
that type of situation.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
But if it's something else, and I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
That's why I'm saying, I'm i gotta do a deep
dive if I'm the leadership in Philadelphia and find out
what really.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Make sure there already know.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
But right there might be like a dead rat stuck
behind the refrigerator.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
It really might be Rob.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
I mean, I'm serious.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I played basketball in college.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You know it was small college, but still things happen
man sometimes between teammates and it can throw off the chemistry.
And so I don't know if something like that happened.
I have no idea. I'm just saying it looks to
me like something is going on emotionally with that team,
(11:33):
and if it stems from Sirianni, then he's I think
he has to go.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
If it's something else, then they can keep you.
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Speaker 3 (12:33):
Let's get to another team that lost yesterday, the Pittsburgh
Steelers and Nate Look, I think most people feel like
they did a great job just to get in the playoffs.
I mean their quarterback play is atrocious and that is
not an overstatement. I mean they just don't have it.
They got some of the worst quarterback play in the league.
(12:57):
But Mike Tomlin does it again gets him into the
playoffs at ten and seven. Yeah, they lost yesterday to
a better team, period, and they'll know it's SAMs.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Or butts about it.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Buffalo is straight up better, especially when TJ wats out.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
TJ. Watt didn't play yesterday, so.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
The Steelers had no chance, but they're going to war
with Mason Rudolph and Kenny Pickett and Mitch Trabisky. I mean,
they got to get a quarterback. But the big story,
of course, was after the game, Mike Tomlin was asked
by a reporter about his contract. Got one year left,
Rob next season, But you know, you it's rare that
(13:36):
teams will have a coach going the lame duck year.
It happens, but you would think if they're gonna keep Tomlin,
if they want to keep him, they will offer him
a long term extension. And he didn't answer the question
about his contract.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
He just walked off in a huff.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
So Rob, there were reports that he told the team
today that he will be back next year, and I'm
not I certainly don't think Mike Tomlin is a liar,
but I also think he may be saying, look, I'm
under contract for a year. And I certainly don't think
he lied to the players, But it is true, right,
if you got a year left on your deal, generally
(14:16):
you're like, yeah, I got a year left.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I mean, I don't.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
There was talk that maybe he'd walk away. You know,
don't know that that's going to happen. But yeah, I mean,
I rob the Steelers do not really fire coaches. Chuck No,
Bill Kawer, Mike Tomlin. That's how they do it, and
that's been you know, that's been successful there for them.
(14:43):
They've got as many Super Bowls as any other franchise
in history.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
So where are you at on the Toimelin situation.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
The time has come for the Pittsburgh Steelers to stop
playing this.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
We don't fire coaches.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
We take care of guys, and they are coaching for
a long time and all that stop it.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Mike Tomlin should be fired Chris if you're not going
to extend him, which tells you that you have an
issue at hand.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
He can't come in as a lame dunk.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Why is he?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Why is he coaching for his new contract?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
If you just made the playoffs, you know why he's
coaching for a new contract. Because the playoff drought continues
seven seasons without a postseason win.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
We don't know that they're not going on.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I'm talking about right now. They could easily say, Chris,
he's coming back or working on a.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
New dal, and they shouldn't offer him, are you. They
should not.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
They should not n ot seven years without a playoff win,
the longest buy of Pittsburgh squad Christ since nineteen seventy
still is a zero to four in the playoffs since
twenty seventeen. And you're right, the quarterback in his terror.
Let me tell you what else is terrible. Their defense
is terrible, allowing forty one and a half points per game, Chris,
(16:08):
forty one.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
And a half.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
What yess yes? With those four playoffs.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And those four playoff games oh and four forty one
and a half, Their defense is bad.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
With with the negative forty nine point differential and a
negative eight turnover differential in four games, all of them,
Chris are NFL worst since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
And that's per NFL research. Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
All I'm saying is you can play this game, and
we were the rules.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Over that's over a six year period, and we're.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
We're running this like a mom and pop store and
all that kind of stuff. These are horrific numbers, and
maybe just maybe you know, people have stopped listening to
a guy who's been around so long without any results.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I really believe that I couldn't disagree with you more.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I think that Tom Blood, is that the statement blood
out of a turnip?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Is that it? Okay? I got that? Like, I mean,
come on, Rob.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Now, I did pick this team to make the playoffs,
but I thought Kenny Pickett was gonna mature.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
He was no better.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
And Rob, all Pittsburgh needs to do is get a QB.
And I got the QB for them to go get.
You know who it is, Russell Wilson. Go get Russell Wilson.
I got some nice receivers for Russell Wilson to throw
(17:46):
the football, better receivers.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Than he had in Denver. I'm not saying.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
He's the old Russell Wilson, but I do still think
he's a can be a good, not great, but good quarterback.
And he can throw to George Pickens, he can throw
it to Deontay Johnson. I got Najie Harrison, Jalen.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Warren running the football.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I got a defense that's stout. The reason they get
blown out in the playoffs because they're not as good
as the other teams. Tomlin's working miracles to get them
to the playoffs and then they you know, the cream
rises to the top and they get paid.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
But man, this dude, in a league.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Where you almost have to have a quarterback to be
like a contender or a playoff team. He does it
without a quarter I mean Roethlisberger toward the end of
his career. We know he wasn't great, and they've been
just trying different guys, different media, actually not even mediocre quarterbacks,
(18:50):
basically second unit quarterbacks they've had to start. And I'm
telling go get Pittsburgh. Listen to a brother, Go get
Russell Wilson. You can get him cheap. He's still gonna
get his thirty five to forty million whatever it is
from Denver if they cut him in March or before then,
(19:14):
and then you can get him, probably for the league minimum.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Where's Russ going? Buffalo?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
No, Miami, No New England. Why would you go there?
They need a quarterback? But why'd you go there? New
York Jets, No, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, no, Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, No.
Tennessee might want him, but no, they got Will Levis.
Denver's gonna be out. Kansas City Raiders. Why would you
(19:44):
go there? Chargers? No, Like that's just the AFC. I mean,
there's only a few spaces war in Atlanta, Washington.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Why go to Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
You got a great coach, out a defense, you got
a winning culture, you got running backs, you got receivers.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Man, I think they do that. They should do that
and keep Tim and Rob.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, I disagree. I just think sometimes a guy can
be around too long. And everybody thought Russell Wilson was
going to be the answer in Denver.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Oh, they got this great defense.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
All you gotta do is add a quarterback and add
some water and stir and let's give him a boatload
of money.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
And Denver's going to the super Bowl. That didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And all I'm saying is, Chris, if we're gonna give
Tomlin credit for not having a losing seat record ever
and going to the playoffs and this and that the performance,
you're good enough to go.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
You're good enough to I get it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
But you're good enough to make the playoffs and win
ten games or eleven games the year that they went, Chris,
when they lost to the Browns in Baker Mayfield, they
started the year nine to zero or ten and one,
and then they were they were frauds.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
They were fraud We could were You never believe I did.
I was with you. I never believed in them because
they weren't that good. Like that's my point. He is
taking teams that aren't that good and making.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Them playoff teams. But once you get there, it's just
like you hit the ceiling. We can't do it. We're
not winning a playoff game with Mason Rudolph as our
quarterback against Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Who we kidding.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I just think sometimes you hold on the coaches too long.
Go look, Chris, you brought up Chuck Nole. Look look
at after he won those Super Bowls early how long
he went where they didn't win? Chris, They didn't win
for a long time under Chuck Nole. I don't remember Bill.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Cowers agree, but they weren't even making the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
No, I'm just saying, but you under time.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Like I look, if Toimelind were to be on the market,
I love to see and I don't know if Philly
will get rid of serials, but if Tomlin got on
the market, rob and and Sirianni was gone in Philly.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
That's where I'd like to see Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I'd like to see Belichick in Dallas. Tomlin and Philly.
Rabel can go to Atlanta or Washington and Harball to
the Chargers and I'm assuming at this point Buffalo keep McDermott.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
But oh yeah, I mean I think the way that
the season is shaped up.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
So you think if they lose to Kansas City, I
get it, you lose the defending champions, the no shame
and now I don't think that.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I don't think what I would look at.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
But that game is at that game is at home,
no chance, and this is their chance and.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
They're supposed to rob They're supposed to be a super
Bowl team. And if you don't beat Kansas City, now
when their offensive is right when you beating them, so
you got them in Buffalo, their offense is down.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
So I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
If they don't win against Kansas City again, I think
mcdermot's a bad coach.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
But we might need a culture ship, so you know.
But I disagree with.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
You on Tomlin. I think the dude is phenomenal. I
don't think he's gonna steale. I just think they need
a quarterback. You need a quarterback in this league in
most cases to have a chance to win.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
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Speaker 3 (23:32):
You felt like in the preseason you talked about how
you don't think Jalen Hurts will ever correct me if
I'm wrong, ever duplicate what he did last season when
he was the Cats.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Me out, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Not only great in the regular season, rob, but phenomenal
in the Super Bowl. I mean, I can't say phenomenal,
but great. He did have yeah, one turnover, one turnovers
in the game.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Yeah, yeah, that of.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
That, he was awesome.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
He was amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
And he did indeed rob drop off this year. Completion percentage,
down touchdowns. He threw twenty three and seventeen games verse
twenty two and fifteen games last year. So down interceptions
that's the biggie. Only six last year, fifteen this week.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Big time. That's a big number, Chris.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
And passer rating down yards per game down. And didn't
run the ball like he did last year either. So
I'm gonna ask you what we asked Anthony Gargano, and
he said, Anthony that he's in Philly. They're calling Jalen
Hurts Jalen Wentz in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Already because they that didn't last long right right, well.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know, Philly, but they fear that they may have
made if they made another mistake rob, like when they
gave Hurts the huge deal, not max huge deal, after
just that one great season when he got hurt and
he was never the same. If they did the same
(25:08):
thing with Jalen Hurts, my gosh, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, Chris, and I didn't say it because I thought.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Jalen Hurts can't play. I didn't. It was where he
went from one.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And it's good that we had Anthony Gargana one because
he was the guy we had.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Talked to Chris that prior year.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Where there was question marks can he throw the ball
consistently of enough to be a quarterback? And you remember
that that we had that kind was a real conversation.
I remember a DC. I loved this kid. I love him,
but I don't know if he could throw the ball.
So he went from that to just something that was
(25:53):
nearly MVP worthy, like he had such a out of nowhere, breakout,
bust out seaton And it happens sometimes when somebody finally
gets it and it clicks.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
But I just thought to myself, can he really do?
Is that who he is?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I just wasn't sure that is who he was, Chris.
It just didn't fit the guy who a year earlier
people were questioning, like it's normally not questioning whether you
belong in the league too.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
I'm an I'm an MVP candidate the next year.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
What really, I'm gonna say this, Obviously, Jaylen Hurts had
a down year. If you put a gun to my
head rib and say pick is he going to be
a great quarterback or.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
A good you know good or yeah good? Yeah good?
Because good is not good enough, right right? Good is
gonna have to be great. He needs to be great.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I'm gonna say great because I believe in his character,
I believe in his work ethic, and I believe in
his talent. Now, he's not a naw natural you know,
Patrick Mahomes type passer. He's not all right you like
you said. I mean, those were the questions. Those have
(27:09):
been the questions his whole career. Yep, college, right, he
was a runner. I mean, he could throw it some,
but he wasn't like viewed as this wasn't a Trevor Law.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Remember, he lost his job in college, one of the
biggest benching in the history of sports.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
And now to his credit, and this is what I'm
talking about, he regrouped there at Alabama and of course
went to Oklahoma and did it yep. And so I'm
gonna believe that he's going to regroup. And I also
believe Robby's been banged up. There's some type of injury there.
And Rob remember and this is again, he's really a
(27:50):
micro version of the team because Rob going into that
game against San Francisco, guess who was right there near
the top.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Of the MVP race, if not at the top, Jalen Hurts.
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
And then when they got demolished by San Francisco forty
two nineteen, he fell apart and so did the team.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
It wasn't like, now, was he playing as well as
last year early on? Probably not, but he's still Rob.
And you notice he was in the MVP race.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
With a new.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Coordinator and all of that. So I look, Rob, I
think this was a strange season, and.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
I think what we found out Rob and Joe Burrow
is kind of a mystery just because he's hurt a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
It's to the point, Rob where we we have to
bake in if he's healthy.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Right with Joe.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Back, we do that.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
There's certain people we have to say, if Kevin Durant's healthy,
if Kyrie's healthy, if you know, like Anthony David is healthy, right,
like like that has to come before we mention them.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
So when you talk about like the top five quarterbacks,
there are only a few that are definitively in there.
Obviously Mahomes, I'd say Josh Allen Burrow, like you said,
we're gonna put the asterisks and keep him out of
this because if he's healthy.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Lamar has gotten himself back into that.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Rob probably would have been top five the last few
years had he not been hurt.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
But a rock. And I'm not gonna throw CJ.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Stroud in yet, even though he was a top five
quarterback this year, just because he's got to, you know,
prove it again as a rookie, right, He's got to
do it another year. And if he does this next year, Rob,
then we'll be like, oh, he's just just a great one,
like Burt is just a great one.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
But outside of those three, Rob, then it's it's gonna
it's gonna be fluid. And Hurts is in that group,
Dak Dak was a top five quarterback in the regular season,
but obviously we saw him wet the bed on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Boy did it. They had to buy new sheets.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
That was a bad one.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
And so I think, you know, will brock Perdy get
in there, you know, we'll see what type of playoff
run they have. Matt Stafford like, it's that group, rob
after three, it's going to fluctuate, and Hurts will be
in that group unless he solidifies himself, you know, as
a guy that's always got to be there. So I
(30:52):
don't think they've blown it. You know, remember, Robber, you
noticed some of the problem with Hurts. I mean I
Hurts was.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
That there were locker room things, right, locker room issues,
you know, is he too arrogant? You know, full of it?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
So all that stuff. There's none of that with Hurts.
And so but he's not he might not be as
naturally gifted as a pass or at least as wins.
But but there are some reports and rob g jump
in there was some things that they think and I
don't want to misquote it.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
I can break it, break it down because the CBS
Sports last week and this this was before that. ESPN
report that came out saying that Jalen Hurts, Sirianni, and
the offensive coordinated were disconnected. They weren't on the same page.
That was one of the reasons. But before that, Lost
in the Saws. Two days before that, CBS Sports reported
(31:48):
by way of the Philadelphia Inquirer that there were several
players in the Eagles locker room who had an issue
with Jalen Hurts his stoic personality, specifically when they're in
because when things go wrong, he's the same as he's always.
He's kind of quiet, keeps to himself, goes about his business, YadA, YadA, YadA.
That's fine when you're going well, because you know, hey,
(32:10):
not to high, not you low.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
He's a guy.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
But when they need that kick in the ass, that
Tom Brady get in your face.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
To the off screen scream at somebody not who he is.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
And so the Carson Wentz comparison, even it's different personality traits,
but they have a lot more in common even statistically.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Well, here's what I here's what I would say about
the comparison as far as the locker room. They I
take that quote and correct me rob you if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I take that quote to be like, yo, we need
brother step up, we need him to correct, Yes, say something.
I don't take it as dude is getting on my nerves. No,
not dude. Think he all that. He ain't. He really ain't.
And I'm a smack him if he's thinking, you know
what I mean? Like which different yea character definition? I
will say this.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I will say this, though Hurts does need to step up,
you can always learn, right, you can learn at to.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Be a leader or a better leader.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I should say he's already say.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
You can learn to be a better leader, and you
don't have to be careful because you know it's hard
to go.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
You know, they always say it with coaches robbing.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I think it's true because I had it happened in
my little basketball you know life, where a coach who
was a nice guy tries to all of.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
A sudden become hardcore.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
You can't do it, people, You go hardcore to softer,
you can't go the other way.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And I don't think Hurts was soft, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 3 (33:43):
But I think he was just not really according to
this report, not really saying much at all.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
So I think you can probably make that jump.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, And I think they don't want him to be
totally different. But you can't be lase fair Chris. When
when Rome is burning like somebody, I'm gonna have to
kick somebody here.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
What are we doing? You guys up front? You better
block for me or whatever it.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Is, right, dude, do your job right right.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You don't know how many times after yell at robb
G about inside the Parker, do your job.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
No, rob G, No, No, that's true.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
That is facts. Text now exactly you a text.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Absolutely, He gets the picture
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