January 17, 2024 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob debate whether the Dallas Cowboys should dump Dak Prescott since they decided to keep Mike McCarthy as their head coach and tell us why Pascal Siakam feels like a perfect fit for the Indiana Pacers. Plus, Super Bowl champion and NFL analyst Seth Joyner swings by to discuss what went wrong for the Philadelphia Eagles during their late-season swoon, what changes need to be made along the Philly coaching staff, the narrative that Jalen Hurts has regressed as a passer and much more!
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With that said, Rob, we talked the big news is
that Mike McCarthy will be back after that forty eight
to thirty two drubbing.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
And it wasn't that close.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
It wasn't even close to that close at the hands
of the Green Bay Packers in the wildcard round of
the playoffs last weekend. And the question now, and to me,
it's not much of a question. I think it's gotta happen.
But Dak Prescott, So, Dak had a great season, I think,
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clearly his best effort.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And actually, I don't know. I always thought that the
the year with Ezekiel Chris where he wasn't as a rookie.
I don't know. Yeah, Like I just thought the way
that that team was, I thought that team was better
than they win a playoff game. I'm talking about individually, Okay,
saying I thought he was I thought he was. I
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thought he was a better player during that stretch.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
No, he wasn't care he was a he was a
game manager, which I think is what he should be.
But I mean, individually, I thought he was clearly he
was that year that that you know, he's gonna be
higher than that. He gonna probably be second. Yeah, I
think I think third at the lowest third. Okay, I
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think third at the lowest nook. He did throw thirty
seven touchdowns in sixteen games two years ago.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
This year through thirty six, which led the league.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Ten ten interceptions at year nine this year through for
more yards, but again, he played more games he's had.
You know what I'm saying, but just saying, I just
thought this was the first year where he looked elite
to me and like he carried the team. He was
their best offensive player, with all respect to Ceedee Lamb,
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and and then the playoffs all of that changed. So Rob,
the question is now, he's got one more year left
on his deal, but he's got a fifty nine million
dollar cap hit. You heard Randy tell us that. You know,
it's gonna be tough to build around him with that
type of cap hit. So usually a team will give
a guy a contract extension and spread the money out
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so he won't count as much against the cap. But
if you're Dallas, what do you feel like? I'll just
say this, I would sign him. I don't want to
make him the highest paid player in the league. I
want to negotiate with him. We'll see what he's wants.
But I just feel like Rob, there's too many teams.
We look at Pittsburgh, we look now at Atlanta. When
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you don't have that quarterback man, it is tough sledding,
and now they've got one that's not great. But he's
any given year, he might be a top five guy.
This year, he was definitely a top five guy. Next
year maybe be a top ten guy. But I think
he's good enough if you have a strong run game,
which they really didn't have this year. Put the stronger
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run game, get some get a meat eater in the
backfield to balance out Tony Pollard and Dereck Henry's available.
I mean, get Derreck Henry if you can, and then
I think you got a run game to bolster what
Dak can do as a passer. And then of course
the defense has to improved some.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
But that's what I would do Rob, What would you
do with that?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I would move on from Dak Prescott whatever I need
to do. Trade, get him to agree with A because
I think he has a no trade clause. We had
Clarence Hill jor on, so I have to get him
to agree with it that we want to move on.
I just think you know what he is and it's
not good, and I would take a chance with trying
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something else. I get it, Chris. You know what he
can do. You know he can win you twelve games.
You know what kind of numbers he can put up.
But for Dallas, I'd rather win nine games and get
in the playoffs with somebody who I'm not convinced is
going to wet the bed when the time comes. And maybe,
you know, maybe you have a younger quarterback. I don't know.
I didn't see enough for trade lance. He was drafted high.
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Somebody thought he was good enough to do what they did,
to trade and trade picks and all that that. I
just wouldn't be against it. I know what Dak is
and I would take the unknown over the known. And
that's where I am. Chris. I can't give you that
whoever you get is for sure going to do what
Dak didn't do. But I'm pretty convinced that Dak is
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not going to a year eight or nine and whatever
he is in the league is going to be somebody
different with the year to be different from me. And
he didn't. He wasn't different.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
You said it.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
At the top of the show.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Peyton Manning used to get criticized for not being able
to get it done in the playoffs, and ultimately he
was able to get it done in the playoffs, you know,
at least one.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
But there's only one difference with Peyton Manning and Dak
is a better player. Payton Manner had like five MVPs.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, but I mean we're talking about I know, I'm
just saying winning the Super Bowl. He was better than Dak.
There's no doubt about that. But I just think Rob,
like I said, I would not take the risk. Now,
what you're advocating is what San Francisco's approach is. Rob,
I mean, if you get rid of Dak, you're probably
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getting a young quarterback who's not making a lot of money.
Maybe you draft the guy, or you know, you go
out there and get kind of a Baker Mayfield type
who's not making a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But it's look where he is and gave him away
from the NFC champions.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
So so let me ask you that.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So let me if you're if you're I'm sure Tampa
would trade Baker Mayfield for Dak Prescott and you would
you do it? Because you know so let's say Dallas
could get that, get Baker for thirty million a year.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I just don't see Tampa Bay. I don't think that
they would do it. They got a quarterback that's not
making a lot of money. Crew, So you know, I'm
just saying to pay him. Yeah, I'm just saying what
I think. He ain't gonna get no DA money. Yeah,
but no Dak money, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
I hear what you.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Let's say they would would you rather have Baker Mayfield?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I would take Baker Mayfield, Yes, I would a.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Period or you think he's better, or just because.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I just think. I just think that the less money
and he won that Cleveland had won a playoff game
in twenty some odd years, but he won that game.
What he did this past week against Philadelphia was shocking
and how they dominated and what he did. There weren't
a few drops they would have scored forty some odd
points easily. And I'm not saying he's gonna do that
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to the Lions or whatever. But if he beats the
Lions on the road in the Dome and they go
to the NFC Championship, even if they lose, it will
be somewhat of a validation that this guy is a
pretty darn good player. Not great, Chris, but he can play.
And I want somebody who if you're Dak, you've had chances.
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Get that terrible game against the forty nine ers Chris
a couple of years ago at home. Remember the offense
was last year he had a bad game against two interceptions, Right,
I'm just saying, like this is a pattern. It's not
like he just, oh, he had a bad day at
the office and you just look at it that way
and you say, oh, no, you know otherwise he's been
great in the postseason, are really good? No, he hasn't been.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
No, you're right. I mean, I can't defend that, but
I just wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I would.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
It's the price of doing business in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
No, I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
You're you're stuck.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You're stuck, and I know that they're just gonna just
give him the money because they have no choice. And
we talked about it before. They set this whole bad
thing up, Chris, because they didn't sign them when they
were supposed to and it cost them a lot more money.
Like so the Cowboys are at fault here. I'm not
blaming Dak. If you're in line and they got to
make it the highest payed quarterback and you just had
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another stinker in the postseason, you're not gonna turn the
money down. Chris. What you're saying is logical about Dak
negotiating with him. I doubt, very seriously. I'd give it
a one percent chance that he's gonna take a lesser
deal because he's gonna own up to not playing well.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, I mean, you're probably right, but I would just
try to sell him on look that, I mean, you
he gonna get fifty plus million, God, but I would
try to sell him on, you know, less so we
can build around you, and you know, you would think maybe,
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And I don't blame him if he doesn't row I'm
not gonna I'm not judging him on that. But sometimes
a guy might say, you know what I mean, that's
obviously a ton of money it's not embarrassingly low where,
you know what I mean, where it looks like I
really took a lot less than I should. I'm just
not the highest paid guy, and I haven't I haven't
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delivered what I want to deliver so and I want
to get better players around me. So maybe, you know,
you would hope a gud might say that if he doesn't, again,
more power to him.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Is his choice, but I would.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Think that, you know, you might you might look at
doing that because he's got to be disapoint in himself too.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
But yeah, I would definitely bring him back.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Rob g What would you do if you Where are
you let him go?
Speaker 7 (11:12):
It's a tough question again because I don't know who
you would replace him with.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
No, I get so, but Troy Lance is sitting there.
I'm just rying, right, I mean, the knowing Jerry Jones.
He's very you know, loyal. You remember that that we're
going crazy.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
He could be starting for several teams I think in
this league, and we got him on with ye.
Speaker 8 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
I mean, look, Dak Prescott, you know, is a regular
season quarterback. And there are several quote unquote regular season
quarterbacks in the NFL. So even if you were to
replaced him, though, the chances that you would get an
upgrade is slim to none. But to Rob's point, the
definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and
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over and expect different results.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Do you guys, and if you're Jerry Chris, aren't you like?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Oh well, Bill Belichick? But do you guys agree with me?
I think you can win the Super Bowl with Dak
Prescott as your quarterback if you have I'm not convinced
with it. I'm not convinced.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I know lesser quarterbacks have won Super Bowls Chris, So
I'm not saying he didn't have any talent. I'm just
not convinced because of the mistake factors that go with Dak.
So I'm not And.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
It's interesting Rob this year nine interceptions, which was great,
and then he throws two in the first half of
a playoff game and Rob green Bay was thirty first
in the league in interceptions, So it's not like they
picking teams off reg and it was Chris seven in
the whole season. What they have was it punt punt
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interception and picked six? Is that what the first four
drives or something like that? Right, Rob gez something like that.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
And I know this is not like real analysis, but
this is something I fundamentally believed my core. Dak Prescott
sweats entirely too much for me to trust him in
a big spot.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Like if you watch historically.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Look, a lot of people thought he looked.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Nervous, he looked like just this is I know this
is not like real just saying, but you look historically
at the great quarterbacks of all time. Tom Brady never
looked like he was sweating. Payne Madding never looked he
was sweating. Aaron Rodgers looks like he just stepped out
of a cold shower and he's playing for Joe Cool,
Joe Corro. And you know even brock Party has that
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where he always looks the same Dak Prescott every football
game you watch him, especially against the good teams, he
is dripping sweat like he's out of the sauna, Like
he's so tight, He's so on edge every game in
those big moments, and I don't think I could ever
trust him in those situations.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Then and then I know I saw that analysis from Chris.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Think about it.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
I know you think going the commercial break, just think
about all the quarterbacks that you like.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Expect to hear that on. First things first, I'm using
that tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
Tomorrow, no site, no credit, Nick and Wilds will have
no idea.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
What hey, I'm when you.
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Speaker 4 (14:19):
You turned the way in. If you're the Cowboys, would
you keep Dak or get rid of him?
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three sixty nine, you'll turn the way in on whether
or not you think the Cowboy should keep Dak Prescott
or should they move on?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
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Speaker 8 (16:08):
Great?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
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Speaker 8 (16:10):
I would keep Prescott. I think Prescott's not the problem.
I think the problem has always started with the GM
for twenty eight years that we need.
Speaker 10 (16:18):
To get rid of so we can really get a coach.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Look what Houston's doing. They got a young coach or
hired his own staff, and look what they did with C. J. Strump.
I think if that would do the same thing, get
an offensive. Mind that because Mark McCarthy got run out
of Green Bay, Bank Quin got to run out of Atlanta,
and Jerry Jones just seems to pick these same coaches.
Dave Campbell.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
But the argument on keeping Dak, you you right there
told me it can be done and things can be
turned around with the right quarterback and the right coaching staff.
Because you just saw what Houston did, So I have
to say soda of just bringing Dak back just because
you kind of know what he is. Look at what
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Houston did and where they are. That's all I'm saying
is like, don't be so afraid to try something new.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, make and also had the second pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, I get it, Chris. I'm not saying it doesn't
mean that you can't. They also got Trey Lance sitting there.
I don't know, maybe he could play, maybe he's healthy.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
He lost his job to Rock Party and Sam Darnold, Okay,
but I'm just saying, uh, you don't know, he played
three games, five games, whatever, it was David in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
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Speaker 6 (17:35):
Hey, great show. If I was Jerry, I'd move off
back or Dak. I just they need to reset the
rookie clock with a different cornerback.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
Does he's not?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
I don't know what anybody says. He's not going to
take less money and why should he?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
No, he's not.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I agree with that because.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Jerry is loyal to a fault. You saw it with
Ezekiel Elliott where he ever paid him a set after
he got in a little bit of trouble and the
loyalty factor, and just kind of comparing the other story
with Horrball, I think that the longer the interviews laughs
with Horrorball, I think he's really gonna stick at the
Michigan and then ask for that immunity deal, and I
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really believe Michigan will give it to him. And I
think I think he stayed. You know, the other thing
of Carball, I remember he took less money to come back.
I think he's I think he's a little bit uh
about that situation.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
No, he ain't a little bitter. Most he's bitter. He's
bitter like like they took a he got a pay cut,
he took a haircut about he was embarrassed by Chris.
That's the right word. Thanks for the call, appreciate it. Uh, Kevin?
I got Kevin at Culver City, California and the odd
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Speaker 5 (18:57):
Wonderful, worse Wednesday? Yeah, yeah, I heard from Kirk Franklin.
But yeah, I want to just get into this real quick.
I don't think Dak Prescott's the problem. How many teams
are going to trade an MVP candidate and get rid
of him. I think the guy had a great season, tremendous.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Did you watch the playoff game?
Speaker 5 (19:15):
No way, I'm gonna get too the playoff game, the
defense put them in the hole. He threw that pick six.
That was a terrible throw. But you can't get rid
of that production. The franchise quarterbacks aren't growing on trees.
You mentioned Trey Lance, he was a first round play man.
I'm the biggest forty nine er fan, but the Cowboys
cannot get rid of Dak Prescott. I think the problem
is the owner, Jerry Jones. He puts these guys on eggshells.
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And everybody's nervous before the game's talking about Ye.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
But but but you got Dak through another interception that's
set up Green Bay inside the twenty two. Let's not
dust act like a pig six. Yeah, there were two
of them.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I'm ultimately, I'm with the caller, you know that.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Like again, no, I know, but I'm like, don't act
like Dak didn't have any day. I get it, Chris,
the fence was no defending Dak. Das played awful, played
you awful in a big game.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Even he tried to slide in robing this press conference,
you know, got it going late, but it was Yeah,
you're down thirty, I mean, come boy, got it?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
You mean you mean you mean when they were letting
you throw the ball in front of these.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, okay, we've seen that before.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
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Champion now in NFL analyst Seth Joiner.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
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Speaker 1 (20:56):
You man, because you you have not been biting your
tongue about this.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, I mean, Seth, I've never seen anything like that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
The other night, I thought those do I mean thirteen misstackles.
I feel like I could count on one hand the
number of times a Tampa Bay runner went down on
first contact.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
We thought Tom was that quarterback too for Tampa.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Man, how do you describe? How'd you see it? I mean,
I haven't seen anything. I've seen losses, bad losses. That
was sleepwalking to me.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
What did you think?
Speaker 10 (21:34):
Well, first of all, when did y'all ever known me
to bite my tongue anyway?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
But that's true. Never That's why we want you on.
Speaker 10 (21:41):
So listen. This is what you saw on Monday night
was just a culmination of where things were trending all
season long. Even though they got the ten and one,
things just wasn't right, you know, especially on the offensive
side of the ball. Defensively again to take a trend down,
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and I think once they played the forty nine ers,
I think the forty nine ers broke them. I think they, like,
you know, they stole their souls and they was not
the same after that game. And you know, then they
fired Sean de Side but moved him up in the
booth and they made Matt Patricia the defense coordinator, and
that kind of split the defense in my opinion, because well,
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I mean, I think you had some I think you
have some Patricia guys because things weren't going well, but
I think you also have some decide guys as well.
And when you make a silly decision like that in
week fourteen, it kind of just broke the whole defense.
And now you've got Patricia trying to, you know, trying
to experiment with all this new stuff, and guy's not
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sure what they're supposed to do. And I just feel like,
you know, the entire team just lost faith, you know,
in the coaching staff, because you know, when you're playing
for a coach that you really believe in, you'll run
through brick walls for him if you believe in what
he's asking you to do, because you know that there's
been evidence of success. But when that's not the case, man,
you just you look at them like you run through it.
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I'm not going through it.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
So that you're said, do you think they should get
rid of Siriante?
Speaker 10 (23:13):
Well, listen, I've never been one of those people that
advocate for somebody, you know, to lose or not lose
their job. But I think that when I said this
before you know the playoff game, I said, if they
go to Tampa Bay and have the same type of
hide outing as they had in Week eighteen against the Giants,
then Jeffrey Lourie and Howard Roseman have to sit down
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and have a hard conversation about where this goes. Monday
night was so bad, I've just like moved off of
my normal, you know, my normal way of dealing with things.
And I believe that you know, this team, I think
the Niggas lost the team, and I think it's I
think it's irreparable because how do you fix it. You're
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going to have to go out and get a whole
new defensive staff. There's going to to be some changes
on the offensive side of the ball. You know, you
got Jason Kelsey, he's probably gonna retire. You're gonna need
Deandres Swift if he you know, he's not gonna want
to come back With things being the way that they are.
There's so much is broken and so much as fracture
that I think you need another voice. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, I'm pushing back. I just think so many things happened.
They lost, the offensive coordinator lost, the defensive coordinator, lost
some players on defense, the quarterback didn't play like he
did before. I just think there's a lot to pile
on knicks played. And I get what you're saying because
the results were so bad, But that team was set
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up when they were ten and one. Chris and I
talked about it. They weren't an impressive tenant one and
they weren't even playing well, you know. And I never
thought that they were as good as their record was.
But let me ask you about the Quarteratah.
Speaker 10 (24:53):
But I think got it. As a head coach. You
got to fix your team when you find that something
is off and something's wrong. You know, Game one, they
were searching, you know. And two maybe three weeks ago,
he was in the press conference and someone in the
press conference asked him, he nick, you know what, you know,
what do you think you got to do? What's the remedy,
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you know, to get the team on track. You know,
you guys have been kind of searching all year long.
And he looked at the reporter. I was astounded that
he even answered that this way. He looked at the
reporter and said, well, don't you think if I knew,
you know, how to fix.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
It what the problem was, that I would have done it?
Speaker 10 (25:30):
And I just and I sat there with my jaw
with my mouth open. I'm like, you would actually say that.
My thing is, if you can't if you got eighteen
weeks to fix it, then you can't fix it, and
you got you know, the finality of the wild card game,
and you can't fix it. What makes you why, why
Robbie would you be so you know, sure that he'd
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be able to fix it next year.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, it's just that there were so many changes. I
just think that there were a lot and they probably
should have never been ten and one, and the expectations
probably would have been different. Teams don't make it back
to back to the super Bowl is really hard. And
then let me move forward to the Jalen hurts. Is
he hurt or did he take a major step backwards?
Speaker 10 (26:15):
I think he's I think it's another one of those
situations where he he, along with some of the other
players on the offensive side of the ball, you know,
lost confidence and what they were asking him to do. Listen,
when you don't have when you don't have a an
answer for teams that are gonna blitch you like you know,
you know that that Wink Martindale is a hot blitz guy.
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That's what they gave. They had no answer for. You
know that Todd Bowles is a hot blitz guy. They
embarrassed the heck out of them on Monday night. They
had no answer for it. They have no and it's
been that way all year because you know, they played
against Belichick and then they played against you know, Brian Flores,
who's another high pressure guy. They've been getting these looks
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and teams have been ramping up the pressure against them
all year. Like so, when you don't have sight adjustments
and you don't have hot routes built into your offense,
and you're just going to ask your quarterback even though
you see they come in with more than we can block,
we're asking you to miss, make the one the free
here to miss while you're backing up and accurately throw
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a ball forty yards downfield. When it's third and two.
Come on, man, you know that's coaching. That's coaching negligent.
You know you can talk about and you can talk
about Jalen, But I had this argument with somebody you
know on social media. It's like what you see on
the field is what's being coached. If there was a
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remedy for him to protect himself and to get the
protection right, it would be baked into the game plan
from week to week.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Okay, So last year was his success was because of
the coaching or because of his talent?
Speaker 10 (27:54):
Listen, I think that there was a lot of things.
He was running more. The offense is more wide open,
the offense is more diverse. They paid him two hundred
and fifty five million bucks, and all of a sudden
they wanted to put him in bubble wrap. You saw
that at the beginning of the season season, even when
he was healthy, before he actually got hurt, they were
trying to protect him instead of letting him do what
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he does. Okay, then once he got hurt, they took
the RPO and the read option off the table, and
even though he progressed as a pocket passer, everything else
around him from a defensive perspective, and some of the injuries,
you know, on the offensive side of the ball, became
a hinderus to him. And then slowly was sure that
everything just started to break down. And I feel like,
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you know, when aj Brown came out after not talking
for two days and said, well, you know what, I
give Nick a lot of credit. You know, I got
nothing but respect. He took the bullet for us. In
the Seattle game, Jalen and I we went off script
and we decided to do something. What player says that
what player does that when you respect what the coaches
are actually putting you in position to do. I mean,
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you got to look at the broad picture. This is
not just you know, rob changes and personnel and coaches
and all that kind of stuff. You've got players that
are like hinting that, you know what, we don't believe
in what he's asking us to do. And when it
gets to that, you got to make a change. Man.
Speaker 11 (29:15):
So like what he did, similar this this is the
new NFL too, though, because how many coaches like I
used to call the third down defense, you know under Buddy,
and there were plenty of times he called the defense
and we looked at each.
Speaker 10 (29:32):
Other in the huddle, like, why the hell we running that?
You know, but I ain't have the gumption to ever
check out of it and go to the sideline. Why
because I respected him as a coach, I respected him
as a man, and I respected you know, his game plans.
So we just executed the best that we could. We
would never go long wolf and decide we're gonna just
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change something. I'm gonna call my own defense. We're gonna
do our own thing. These guys are just on a
whole new level. And the problem, this is the problem
when you get to a point where you cannot, you know,
hold players accountable. If you say something about a player
in the media nowadays, all you're throwing them under the bucks. Well,
when the hell you supposed to hold them accountable. You
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supposed to hold them accountable behind closed doors so they
little feelings don't get hurt.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I agret you're going to do with you that's ridiculous.
Speaker 10 (30:22):
Anything, No, And it makes no sense. It doesn't breathe
the right type of you know, lending yourself to authority
that's needed, the accountability. Like, man, listen, and I know
Buddy was over the top, but Buddy wouldn't wait till
the Tuesday Wednesday Thursday press conference to cut you up.
He going to a rave about you right after the game.
(30:44):
He know what he saw. These coaches are. I got
to look at the film and you know, I get back. No,
those coaches know exactly what happened because they call the players.
They know exactly who did what and win in the game.
They just don't want to talk about the players because
then the owners and the media and everybody else, they're
throwing the players under the bus. Sometimes the players need
to be thrown under the bus when you're playing like crap.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
So so let's say theoretically they got rid of Siriani.
Would you like to see Belichick there or who? If
not him?
Speaker 10 (31:13):
I just think that they need someone that's an authority figure,
you know, And I don't know whether it's Belichick. I
don't know whether it's John Harbaugh. I don't know whether
it's Pete Carroll. I don't know who it is. You know.
I like what happened in Washington this year. The players
that complain and oh, you know, Eric Bannem is too intense,
(31:34):
and you know it's too That's what you need, man,
You show me a player who wants to be great
that don't want to be coach Hart. You mean to
tell me you want to win and you want to
make millions of dollars, but you don't want to be
coach Hard. I don't want none of those guys on
my team. I don't want to play with them, and
I don't want to coach them. Give me some guys
that got thick skins, that want to be told when
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they do something wrong, and they want to be held accountable,
so that you old them accountable in a way so
they get better. Is it about you getting better or
is it about your little baby ass feelings not be
getting hurt?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Hey, hey, let me let me say this, and you're
what you're talking about. We talked about all the time
because even Chris and I talk about this on the NBA.
All the NBA players don't want to hear from the media,
and then when Chuck and Shack and Kenny say something,
they don't want to hear from those guys and they play.
They just don't want to be criticized.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
Well they don't. To me, that's accountability, and it's the ability.
It's also the ability to have coping skills, you know,
which a lot of young people don't have today either.
You know, when we used to go outside, you know,
you go outside and play. You don't go crying to
your parents because they tell you to come in the
last thing you want to do is be in. So
you deal with you deal with the arguments, you deal
(32:50):
with the fights, and you learn how to cope and
you deal with the situations. These kids nowadays, they don't
know how to deal with that. So when you when
you're even when you're trying to critique them in a
positive way, they take it negative because all you supposed
to do is always tell them the positive and tell
them the good even when they ain't doing right. Life
don't work that way.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
That's the truth that is.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
That's our man, Seth Joiner, super Bowl Champion, and that's
exactly why we got you on the show.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Man great. We appreciate the knowledge.
Speaker 10 (33:19):
Brother, ay Tima Man time.
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Speaker 1 (33:39):
All right, it's the EYD couple wrapping up a worship
Wednesday and Rob, we haven't talked much but about the
NBA today.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
No, but let's go there.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
There was a big trade where the Indiana Pacers went
out and acquired past scout Siakam.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
It was a three team deal with New Orleans as well.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Toronto got Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis, Junior Jordan Nuarra and
two twoenty twenty four first round picks and the twenty
twenty six first round picks, so they're stockpiland draft picks.
New Orleans gets cash considerations and Rob. The Pacers now
they're without their best player right now. That of course
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is the point guard Tyler Halliburton, who is fantastic Tyreez Halliburton.
I'm sorry, but they are adding now Pascal Siakam and
Pascal Siaka like the Pacers right now, I think are
fifth in the East. It might be six six in
the East, just a half game behind fifth seed Miami.
(34:50):
We know how they've owned the Bucks.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Beating them three or four times, three out of.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Four times the match for them.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah yeah, and Siakam, Rob, he brings twenty two points
a game, six rebounds, five assists, strong defender like I
like adding him to the Pacers, and I'm not I
think winning the East is is definitely, you know, too
much for them, But I think this definitely raises them
(35:23):
up a level and makes them a team that, you know,
the top teams are really gonna have.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
They're gonna be a nuisance to the top teams in
the league.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
And absolutely absolutely, And I like the idea that they're
just not hey, they're doing better than expected, and they hey,
they you know, they won some games, they got to
the tournament championship. They lost, but they got there. They
had something going early, Chris, and they should be like, oh,
we should just be happy with this, do you know
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what I mean. They're not saying no, no, no, we're
just happy to be a surprise and we're playing pretty
good or whatever. No, no, we have the the magic
formula against Milwaukee. Now we're adding a bigger piece. Forget
about picks, forget about the future. Let's try to make
something happen here with Rick Carlile's coach.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah, no, I agree. I like it.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
He'll be the second score to Tyres Halliburton. You still
got Miles Turner there, he's giving you seventeen the game.
Benedict Matheren off the bench and Buddy hit like it's
a well healed. I think it's gone, but it's a
nice squad that they're gonna have for the Pacers. I'm
really looking forward to seeing it now. I know, Rob,
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you want to say something about a friend.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, Chris. You know at the party, I spoke about
my baseball team for my neighborhood. Remember I told you
that we grew up. There was eleven guys the Black Catt,
the Blackcatter baseball team celebrating this year our fiftieth anniversary.
We started the team in nineteen seventy four to twenty
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twenty four, and we were going to have a big
party and everything this coming April or May. And we
lost one of those guys just since the party. Yes, Chris,
he wasn't at the party. He wasn't at the party.
But that's how humbling life can be. So I want
to pay my respects to Nick Nunez, who lived right
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down the block for me, literally four or five houses
from where I grew up. So he passed. I think
the day was yesterday. He passed yesterday, fifty nine years old.
Chris turned fifty nine in December early December. So we
lost a big part of my life. I've never lost
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anybody that close like a friend. And so he's the
first guy from this baseball team that I grew up with.
And he leaves behind his wife and his daughter, Noel,
and we're all gonna miss him, and just the greatest
guy in the world.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
He was a.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
He worked in corrections for New York State and just
played baseball with us, played all sports. And the thing
I always remember the most about Nick was when we
were kids and we got the first batting helmet, a
real batting helmet, and Nick used to have a big afro,
and he spent the night you know, I'm not at
my place, but spent slept, I should say, with the
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helmet on all night. He was so excited about the
batting helmet that he warned to bed Chris. So I
always remember that about Nick.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, that's the great story. That's tough, man, that's uh.
I feel for you, and our prayers.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Will be with his family. That's tough, and I know
it's tough.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Even for you.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, when you lose a friend like that.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
So fifty years, man, fifty years.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
That's a blessing though, that you guys were friends for
so long, so all right, Well, it's the eye couple
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Speaker 1 (01:36):
With that said, Rob, we talked the big news is
that Mike McCarthy will be back after that forty eight
to thirty two drubbing.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
And it wasn't that close.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
It wasn't even close to that close at the hands
of the Green Bay Packers in the wildcard round of
the playoffs last weekend. And the question now, and to me,
it's not much of a question. I think it's gotta happen.
But Dak Prescott, So, Dak had a great season, I think,
(02:06):
clearly his best effort.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And actually, I don't know. I always thought that the
the year with Ezekiel Chris where he wasn't as a rookie.
I don't know. Yeah, Like I just thought the way
that that team was, I thought that team was better
than they win a playoff game. I'm talking about individually, Okay,
saying I thought he was I thought he was. I
(02:29):
thought he was a better player during that stretch.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
No, he wasn't care he was a he was a
game manager, which I think is what he should be.
But I mean, individually, I thought he was clearly he
was that year that that you know, he's gonna be
higher than that. He gonna probably be second. Yeah, I
think I think third at the lowest third. Okay, I
(02:52):
think third at the lowest nook. He did throw thirty
seven touchdowns in sixteen games two years ago.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
This year through thirty six, which led the league.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Ten ten interceptions at year nine this year through for
more yards, but again, he played more games he's had.
You know what I'm saying, but just saying, I just
thought this was the first year where he looked elite
to me and like he carried the team. He was
their best offensive player, with all respect to Ceedee Lamb,
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and and then the playoffs all of that changed. So Rob,
the question is now, he's got one more year left
on his deal, but he's got a fifty nine million
dollar cap hit. You heard Randy tell us that. You know,
it's gonna be tough to build around him with that
type of cap hit. So usually a team will give
a guy a contract extension and spread the money out
(03:46):
so he won't count as much against the cap. But
if you're Dallas, what do you feel like? I'll just
say this, I would sign him. I don't want to
make him the highest paid player in the league. I
want to negotiate with him. We'll see what he's wants.
But I just feel like Rob, there's too many teams.
We look at Pittsburgh, we look now at Atlanta. When
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you don't have that quarterback man, it is tough sledding,
and now they've got one that's not great. But he's
any given year, he might be a top five guy.
This year, he was definitely a top five guy. Next
year maybe be a top ten guy. But I think
he's good enough if you have a strong run game,
which they really didn't have this year. Put the stronger
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run game, get some get a meat eater in the
backfield to balance out Tony Pollard and Dereck Henry's available.
I mean, get Derreck Henry if you can, and then
I think you got a run game to bolster what
Dak can do as a passer. And then of course
the defense has to improved some.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
But that's what I would do Rob, What would you
do with that?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I would move on from Dak Prescott whatever I need
to do. Trade, get him to agree with A because
I think he has a no trade clause. We had
Clarence Hill jor on, so I have to get him
to agree with it that we want to move on.
I just think you know what he is and it's
not good, and I would take a chance with trying
(05:18):
something else. I get it, Chris. You know what he
can do. You know he can win you twelve games.
You know what kind of numbers he can put up.
But for Dallas, I'd rather win nine games and get
in the playoffs with somebody who I'm not convinced is
going to wet the bed when the time comes. And maybe,
you know, maybe you have a younger quarterback. I don't know.
I didn't see enough for trade lance. He was drafted high.
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Somebody thought he was good enough to do what they did,
to trade and trade picks and all that that. I
just wouldn't be against it. I know what Dak is
and I would take the unknown over the known. And
that's where I am. Chris. I can't give you that
whoever you get is for sure going to do what
Dak didn't do. But I'm pretty convinced that Dak is
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not going to a year eight or nine and whatever
he is in the league is going to be somebody
different with the year to be different from me. And
he didn't. He wasn't different.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
You said it.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
At the top of the show.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Peyton Manning used to get criticized for not being able
to get it done in the playoffs, and ultimately he
was able to get it done in the playoffs, you know,
at least one.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
But there's only one difference with Peyton Manning and Dak
is a better player. Payton Manner had like five MVPs.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, but I mean we're talking about I know, I'm
just saying winning the Super Bowl. He was better than Dak.
There's no doubt about that. But I just think Rob,
like I said, I would not take the risk. Now,
what you're advocating is what San Francisco's approach is. Rob,
I mean, if you get rid of Dak, you're probably
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getting a young quarterback who's not making a lot of money.
Maybe you draft the guy, or you know, you go
out there and get kind of a Baker Mayfield type
who's not making a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But it's look where he is and gave him away
from the NFC champions.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
So so let me ask you that.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So let me if you're if you're I'm sure Tampa
would trade Baker Mayfield for Dak Prescott and you would
you do it? Because you know so let's say Dallas
could get that, get Baker for thirty million a year.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I just don't see Tampa Bay. I don't think that
they would do it. They got a quarterback that's not
making a lot of money. Crew, So you know, I'm
just saying to pay him. Yeah, I'm just saying what
I think. He ain't gonna get no DA money. Yeah,
but no Dak money, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
I hear what you.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Let's say they would would you rather have Baker Mayfield?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I would take Baker Mayfield, Yes, I would a.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Period or you think he's better, or just because.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I just think. I just think that the less money
and he won that Cleveland had won a playoff game
in twenty some odd years, but he won that game.
What he did this past week against Philadelphia was shocking
and how they dominated and what he did. There weren't
a few drops they would have scored forty some odd
points easily. And I'm not saying he's gonna do that
(08:20):
to the Lions or whatever. But if he beats the
Lions on the road in the Dome and they go
to the NFC Championship, even if they lose, it will
be somewhat of a validation that this guy is a
pretty darn good player. Not great, Chris, but he can play.
And I want somebody who if you're Dak, you've had chances.
(08:42):
Get that terrible game against the forty nine ers Chris
a couple of years ago at home. Remember the offense
was last year he had a bad game against two interceptions, Right,
I'm just saying, like this is a pattern. It's not
like he just, oh, he had a bad day at
the office and you just look at it that way
and you say, oh, no, you know otherwise he's been
great in the postseason, are really good? No, he hasn't been.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
No, you're right. I mean, I can't defend that, but
I just wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I would.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
It's the price of doing business in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
No, I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
You're you're stuck.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You're stuck, and I know that they're just gonna just
give him the money because they have no choice. And
we talked about it before. They set this whole bad
thing up, Chris, because they didn't sign them when they
were supposed to and it cost them a lot more money.
Like so the Cowboys are at fault here. I'm not
blaming Dak. If you're in line and they got to
make it the highest payed quarterback and you just had
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another stinker in the postseason, you're not gonna turn the
money down. Chris. What you're saying is logical about Dak
negotiating with him. I doubt, very seriously. I'd give it
a one percent chance that he's gonna take a lesser
deal because he's gonna own up to not playing well.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, I mean, you're probably right, but I would just
try to sell him on look that, I mean, you
he gonna get fifty plus million, God, but I would
try to sell him on, you know, less so we
can build around you, and you know, you would think maybe,
(10:19):
And I don't blame him if he doesn't row I'm
not gonna I'm not judging him on that. But sometimes
a guy might say, you know what I mean, that's
obviously a ton of money it's not embarrassingly low where,
you know what I mean, where it looks like I
really took a lot less than I should. I'm just
not the highest paid guy, and I haven't I haven't
(10:41):
delivered what I want to deliver so and I want
to get better players around me. So maybe, you know,
you would hope a gud might say that if he doesn't, again,
more power to him.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Is his choice, but I would.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Think that, you know, you might you might look at
doing that because he's got to be disapoint in himself too.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
But yeah, I would definitely bring him back.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Rob g What would you do if you Where are
you let him go?
Speaker 7 (11:12):
It's a tough question again because I don't know who
you would replace him with.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
No, I get so, but Troy Lance is sitting there.
I'm just rying, right, I mean, the knowing Jerry Jones.
He's very you know, loyal. You remember that that we're
going crazy.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
He could be starting for several teams I think in
this league, and we got him on with ye.
Speaker 8 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
I mean, look, Dak Prescott, you know, is a regular
season quarterback. And there are several quote unquote regular season
quarterbacks in the NFL. So even if you were to
replaced him, though, the chances that you would get an
upgrade is slim to none. But to Rob's point, the
definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and
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over and expect different results.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Do you guys, and if you're Jerry Chris, aren't you like?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Oh well, Bill Belichick? But do you guys agree with me?
I think you can win the Super Bowl with Dak
Prescott as your quarterback if you have I'm not convinced
with it. I'm not convinced.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I know lesser quarterbacks have won Super Bowls Chris, So
I'm not saying he didn't have any talent. I'm just
not convinced because of the mistake factors that go with Dak.
So I'm not And.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
It's interesting Rob this year nine interceptions, which was great,
and then he throws two in the first half of
a playoff game and Rob green Bay was thirty first
in the league in interceptions, So it's not like they
picking teams off reg and it was Chris seven in
the whole season. What they have was it punt punt
(12:48):
interception and picked six? Is that what the first four
drives or something like that? Right, Rob gez something like that.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
And I know this is not like real analysis, but
this is something I fundamentally believed my core. Dak Prescott
sweats entirely too much for me to trust him in
a big spot.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Like if you watch historically.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Look, a lot of people thought he looked.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Nervous, he looked like just this is I know this
is not like real just saying, but you look historically
at the great quarterbacks of all time. Tom Brady never
looked like he was sweating. Payne Madding never looked he
was sweating. Aaron Rodgers looks like he just stepped out
of a cold shower and he's playing for Joe Cool,
Joe Corro. And you know even brock Party has that
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where he always looks the same Dak Prescott every football
game you watch him, especially against the good teams, he
is dripping sweat like he's out of the sauna, Like
he's so tight, He's so on edge every game in
those big moments, and I don't think I could ever
trust him in those situations.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Then and then I know I saw that analysis from Chris.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Think about it.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
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Speaker 2 (13:57):
Expect to hear that on. First things first, I'm using
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Speaker 7 (14:03):
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What hey, I'm when you.
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Speaker 4 (14:19):
You turned the way in. If you're the Cowboys, would
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three sixty nine, you'll turn the way in on whether
or not you think the Cowboy should keep Dak Prescott
or should they move on?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
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Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Tony?
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Great?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Jo thank you.
Speaker 8 (16:10):
I would keep Prescott. I think Prescott's not the problem.
I think the problem has always started with the GM
for twenty eight years that we need.
Speaker 10 (16:18):
To get rid of so we can really get a coach.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Look what Houston's doing. They got a young coach or
hired his own staff, and look what they did with C. J. Strump.
I think if that would do the same thing, get
an offensive. Mind that because Mark McCarthy got run out
of Green Bay, Bank Quin got to run out of Atlanta,
and Jerry Jones just seems to pick these same coaches.
Dave Campbell.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
But the argument on keeping Dak, you you right there
told me it can be done and things can be
turned around with the right quarterback and the right coaching staff.
Because you just saw what Houston did, So I have
to say soda of just bringing Dak back just because
you kind of know what he is. Look at what
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Houston did and where they are. That's all I'm saying
is like, don't be so afraid to try something new.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, make and also had the second pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, I get it, Chris. I'm not saying it doesn't
mean that you can't. They also got Trey Lance sitting there.
I don't know, maybe he could play, maybe he's healthy.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
He lost his job to Rock Party and Sam Darnold, Okay,
but I'm just saying, uh, you don't know, he played
three games, five games, whatever, it was David in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You're in the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, David?
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Hey, great show. If I was Jerry, I'd move off
back or Dak. I just they need to reset the
rookie clock with a different cornerback.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
Does he's not?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
I don't know what anybody says. He's not going to
take less money and why should he?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
No, he's not.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I agree with that because.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Jerry is loyal to a fault. You saw it with
Ezekiel Elliott where he ever paid him a set after
he got in a little bit of trouble and the
loyalty factor, and just kind of comparing the other story
with Horrball, I think that the longer the interviews laughs
with Horrorball, I think he's really gonna stick at the
Michigan and then ask for that immunity deal, and I
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really believe Michigan will give it to him. And I
think I think he stayed. You know, the other thing
of Carball, I remember he took less money to come back.
I think he's I think he's a little bit uh
about that situation.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
No, he ain't a little bitter. Most he's bitter. He's
bitter like like they took a he got a pay cut,
he took a haircut about he was embarrassed by Chris.
That's the right word. Thanks for the call, appreciate it. Uh, Kevin?
I got Kevin at Culver City, California and the odd
couple Fox sporituatd what's up? Cap got as good.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Wonderful, worse Wednesday? Yeah, yeah, I heard from Kirk Franklin.
But yeah, I want to just get into this real quick.
I don't think Dak Prescott's the problem. How many teams
are going to trade an MVP candidate and get rid
of him. I think the guy had a great season, tremendous.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Did you watch the playoff game?
Speaker 5 (19:15):
No way, I'm gonna get too the playoff game, the
defense put them in the hole. He threw that pick six.
That was a terrible throw. But you can't get rid
of that production. The franchise quarterbacks aren't growing on trees.
You mentioned Trey Lance, he was a first round play man.
I'm the biggest forty nine er fan, but the Cowboys
cannot get rid of Dak Prescott. I think the problem
is the owner, Jerry Jones. He puts these guys on eggshells.
(19:38):
And everybody's nervous before the game's talking about Ye.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
But but but you got Dak through another interception that's
set up Green Bay inside the twenty two. Let's not
dust act like a pig six. Yeah, there were two
of them.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I'm ultimately, I'm with the caller, you know that.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Like again, no, I know, but I'm like, don't act
like Dak didn't have any day. I get it, Chris,
the fence was no defending Dak. Das played awful, played
you awful in a big game.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Even he tried to slide in robing this press conference,
you know, got it going late, but it was Yeah,
you're down thirty, I mean, come boy, got it?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
You mean you mean you mean when they were letting
you throw the ball in front of these.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, okay, we've seen that before.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
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Our next guest is a Super Bowl.
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Champion now in NFL analyst Seth Joiner.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Seth, welcome brother, how are you fellas? It's good to have.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
You man, because you you have not been biting your
tongue about this.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, I mean, Seth, I've never seen anything like that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
The other night, I thought those do I mean thirteen misstackles.
I feel like I could count on one hand the
number of times a Tampa Bay runner went down on
first contact.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
We thought Tom was that quarterback too for Tampa.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Man, how do you describe? How'd you see it? I mean,
I haven't seen anything. I've seen losses, bad losses. That
was sleepwalking to me.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
What did you think?
Speaker 10 (21:34):
Well, first of all, when did y'all ever known me
to bite my tongue anyway?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
But that's true. Never That's why we want you on.
Speaker 10 (21:41):
So listen. This is what you saw on Monday night
was just a culmination of where things were trending all
season long. Even though they got the ten and one,
things just wasn't right, you know, especially on the offensive
side of the ball. Defensively again to take a trend down,
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and I think once they played the forty nine ers,
I think the forty nine ers broke them. I think they, like,
you know, they stole their souls and they was not
the same after that game. And you know, then they
fired Sean de Side but moved him up in the
booth and they made Matt Patricia the defense coordinator, and
that kind of split the defense in my opinion, because well,
(22:22):
I mean, I think you had some I think you
have some Patricia guys because things weren't going well, but
I think you also have some decide guys as well.
And when you make a silly decision like that in
week fourteen, it kind of just broke the whole defense.
And now you've got Patricia trying to, you know, trying
to experiment with all this new stuff, and guy's not
(22:44):
sure what they're supposed to do. And I just feel like,
you know, the entire team just lost faith, you know,
in the coaching staff, because you know, when you're playing
for a coach that you really believe in, you'll run
through brick walls for him if you believe in what
he's asking you to do, because you know that there's
been evidence of success. But when that's not the case, man,
you just you look at them like you run through it.
(23:06):
I'm not going through it.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
So that you're said, do you think they should get
rid of Siriante?
Speaker 10 (23:13):
Well, listen, I've never been one of those people that
advocate for somebody, you know, to lose or not lose
their job. But I think that when I said this
before you know the playoff game, I said, if they
go to Tampa Bay and have the same type of
hide outing as they had in Week eighteen against the Giants,
then Jeffrey Lourie and Howard Roseman have to sit down
(23:34):
and have a hard conversation about where this goes. Monday
night was so bad, I've just like moved off of
my normal, you know, my normal way of dealing with things.
And I believe that you know, this team, I think
the Niggas lost the team, and I think it's I
think it's irreparable because how do you fix it. You're
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going to have to go out and get a whole
new defensive staff. There's going to to be some changes
on the offensive side of the ball. You know, you
got Jason Kelsey, he's probably gonna retire. You're gonna need
Deandres Swift if he you know, he's not gonna want
to come back With things being the way that they are.
There's so much is broken and so much as fracture
that I think you need another voice. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, I'm pushing back. I just think so many things happened.
They lost, the offensive coordinator lost, the defensive coordinator, lost
some players on defense, the quarterback didn't play like he
did before. I just think there's a lot to pile
on knicks played. And I get what you're saying because
the results were so bad, But that team was set
(24:39):
up when they were ten and one. Chris and I
talked about it. They weren't an impressive tenant one and
they weren't even playing well, you know. And I never
thought that they were as good as their record was.
But let me ask you about the Quarteratah.
Speaker 10 (24:53):
But I think got it. As a head coach. You
got to fix your team when you find that something
is off and something's wrong. You know, Game one, they
were searching, you know. And two maybe three weeks ago,
he was in the press conference and someone in the
press conference asked him, he nick, you know what, you know,
what do you think you got to do? What's the remedy,
(25:13):
you know, to get the team on track. You know,
you guys have been kind of searching all year long.
And he looked at the reporter. I was astounded that
he even answered that this way. He looked at the
reporter and said, well, don't you think if I knew,
you know, how to fix.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
It what the problem was, that I would have done it?
Speaker 10 (25:30):
And I just and I sat there with my jaw
with my mouth open. I'm like, you would actually say that.
My thing is, if you can't if you got eighteen
weeks to fix it, then you can't fix it, and
you got you know, the finality of the wild card game,
and you can't fix it. What makes you why, why
Robbie would you be so you know, sure that he'd
(25:52):
be able to fix it next year.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, it's just that there were so many changes. I
just think that there were a lot and they probably
should have never been ten and one, and the expectations
probably would have been different. Teams don't make it back
to back to the super Bowl is really hard. And
then let me move forward to the Jalen hurts. Is
he hurt or did he take a major step backwards?
Speaker 10 (26:15):
I think he's I think it's another one of those
situations where he he, along with some of the other
players on the offensive side of the ball, you know,
lost confidence and what they were asking him to do. Listen,
when you don't have when you don't have a an
answer for teams that are gonna blitch you like you know,
you know that that Wink Martindale is a hot blitz guy.
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That's what they gave. They had no answer for. You
know that Todd Bowles is a hot blitz guy. They
embarrassed the heck out of them on Monday night. They
had no answer for it. They have no and it's
been that way all year because you know, they played
against Belichick and then they played against you know, Brian Flores,
who's another high pressure guy. They've been getting these looks
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and teams have been ramping up the pressure against them
all year. Like so, when you don't have sight adjustments
and you don't have hot routes built into your offense,
and you're just going to ask your quarterback even though
you see they come in with more than we can block,
we're asking you to miss, make the one the free
here to miss while you're backing up and accurately throw
(27:20):
a ball forty yards downfield. When it's third and two.
Come on, man, you know that's coaching. That's coaching negligent.
You know you can talk about and you can talk
about Jalen, But I had this argument with somebody you
know on social media. It's like what you see on
the field is what's being coached. If there was a
(27:40):
remedy for him to protect himself and to get the
protection right, it would be baked into the game plan
from week to week.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Okay, So last year was his success was because of
the coaching or because of his talent?
Speaker 10 (27:54):
Listen, I think that there was a lot of things.
He was running more. The offense is more wide open,
the offense is more diverse. They paid him two hundred
and fifty five million bucks, and all of a sudden
they wanted to put him in bubble wrap. You saw
that at the beginning of the season season, even when
he was healthy, before he actually got hurt, they were
trying to protect him instead of letting him do what
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he does. Okay, then once he got hurt, they took
the RPO and the read option off the table, and
even though he progressed as a pocket passer, everything else
around him from a defensive perspective, and some of the injuries,
you know, on the offensive side of the ball, became
a hinderus to him. And then slowly was sure that
everything just started to break down. And I feel like,
(28:35):
you know, when aj Brown came out after not talking
for two days and said, well, you know what, I
give Nick a lot of credit. You know, I got
nothing but respect. He took the bullet for us. In
the Seattle game, Jalen and I we went off script
and we decided to do something. What player says that
what player does that when you respect what the coaches
are actually putting you in position to do. I mean,
(28:57):
you got to look at the broad picture. This is
not just you know, rob changes and personnel and coaches
and all that kind of stuff. You've got players that
are like hinting that, you know what, we don't believe
in what he's asking us to do. And when it
gets to that, you got to make a change. Man.
Speaker 11 (29:15):
So like what he did, similar this this is the
new NFL too, though, because how many coaches like I
used to call the third down defense, you know under Buddy,
and there were plenty of times he called the defense
and we looked at each.
Speaker 10 (29:32):
Other in the huddle, like, why the hell we running that?
You know, but I ain't have the gumption to ever
check out of it and go to the sideline. Why
because I respected him as a coach, I respected him
as a man, and I respected you know, his game plans.
So we just executed the best that we could. We
would never go long wolf and decide we're gonna just
(29:54):
change something. I'm gonna call my own defense. We're gonna
do our own thing. These guys are just on a
whole new level. And the problem, this is the problem
when you get to a point where you cannot, you know,
hold players accountable. If you say something about a player
in the media nowadays, all you're throwing them under the bucks. Well,
when the hell you supposed to hold them accountable. You
(30:14):
supposed to hold them accountable behind closed doors so they
little feelings don't get hurt.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I agret you're going to do with you that's ridiculous.
Speaker 10 (30:22):
Anything, No, And it makes no sense. It doesn't breathe
the right type of you know, lending yourself to authority
that's needed, the accountability. Like, man, listen, and I know
Buddy was over the top, but Buddy wouldn't wait till
the Tuesday Wednesday Thursday press conference to cut you up.
He going to a rave about you right after the game.
(30:44):
He know what he saw. These coaches are. I got
to look at the film and you know, I get back. No,
those coaches know exactly what happened because they call the players.
They know exactly who did what and win in the game.
They just don't want to talk about the players because
then the owners and the media and everybody else, they're
throwing the players under the bus. Sometimes the players need
to be thrown under the bus when you're playing like crap.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
So so let's say theoretically they got rid of Siriani.
Would you like to see Belichick there or who? If
not him?
Speaker 10 (31:13):
I just think that they need someone that's an authority figure,
you know, And I don't know whether it's Belichick. I
don't know whether it's John Harbaugh. I don't know whether
it's Pete Carroll. I don't know who it is. You know.
I like what happened in Washington this year. The players
that complain and oh, you know, Eric Bannem is too intense,
(31:34):
and you know it's too That's what you need, man,
You show me a player who wants to be great
that don't want to be coach Hart. You mean to
tell me you want to win and you want to
make millions of dollars, but you don't want to be
coach Hard. I don't want none of those guys on
my team. I don't want to play with them, and
I don't want to coach them. Give me some guys
that got thick skins, that want to be told when
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they do something wrong, and they want to be held accountable,
so that you old them accountable in a way so
they get better. Is it about you getting better or
is it about your little baby ass feelings not be
getting hurt?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Hey, hey, let me let me say this, and you're
what you're talking about. We talked about all the time
because even Chris and I talk about this on the NBA.
All the NBA players don't want to hear from the media,
and then when Chuck and Shack and Kenny say something,
they don't want to hear from those guys and they play.
They just don't want to be criticized.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
Well they don't. To me, that's accountability, and it's the ability.
It's also the ability to have coping skills, you know,
which a lot of young people don't have today either.
You know, when we used to go outside, you know,
you go outside and play. You don't go crying to
your parents because they tell you to come in the
last thing you want to do is be in. So
you deal with you deal with the arguments, you deal
(32:50):
with the fights, and you learn how to cope and
you deal with the situations. These kids nowadays, they don't
know how to deal with that. So when you when
you're even when you're trying to critique them in a
positive way, they take it negative because all you supposed
to do is always tell them the positive and tell
them the good even when they ain't doing right. Life
don't work that way.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
That's the truth that is.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
That's our man, Seth Joiner, super Bowl Champion, and that's
exactly why we got you on the show.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Man great. We appreciate the knowledge.
Speaker 10 (33:19):
Brother, ay Tima Man time.
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Speaker 1 (33:39):
All right, it's the EYD couple wrapping up a worship
Wednesday and Rob, we haven't talked much but about the
NBA today.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
No, but let's go there.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
There was a big trade where the Indiana Pacers went
out and acquired past scout Siakam.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
It was a three team deal with New Orleans as well.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Toronto got Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis, Junior Jordan Nuarra and
two twoenty twenty four first round picks and the twenty
twenty six first round picks, so they're stockpiland draft picks.
New Orleans gets cash considerations and Rob. The Pacers now
they're without their best player right now. That of course
(34:28):
is the point guard Tyler Halliburton, who is fantastic Tyreez Halliburton.
I'm sorry, but they are adding now Pascal Siakam and
Pascal Siaka like the Pacers right now, I think are
fifth in the East. It might be six six in
the East, just a half game behind fifth seed Miami.
(34:50):
We know how they've owned the Bucks.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Beating them three or four times, three out of.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Four times the match for them.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah yeah, and Siakam, Rob, he brings twenty two points
a game, six rebounds, five assists, strong defender like I
like adding him to the Pacers, and I'm not I
think winning the East is is definitely, you know, too
much for them, But I think this definitely raises them
(35:23):
up a level and makes them a team that, you know,
the top teams are really gonna have.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
They're gonna be a nuisance to the top teams in
the league.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
And absolutely absolutely, And I like the idea that they're
just not hey, they're doing better than expected, and they hey,
they you know, they won some games, they got to
the tournament championship. They lost, but they got there. They
had something going early, Chris, and they should be like, oh,
we should just be happy with this, do you know
(35:52):
what I mean. They're not saying no, no, no, we're
just happy to be a surprise and we're playing pretty
good or whatever. No, no, we have the the magic
formula against Milwaukee. Now we're adding a bigger piece. Forget
about picks, forget about the future. Let's try to make
something happen here with Rick Carlile's coach.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah, no, I agree. I like it.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
He'll be the second score to Tyres Halliburton. You still
got Miles Turner there, he's giving you seventeen the game.
Benedict Matheren off the bench and Buddy hit like it's
a well healed. I think it's gone, but it's a
nice squad that they're gonna have for the Pacers. I'm
really looking forward to seeing it now. I know, Rob,
(36:34):
you want to say something about a friend.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, Chris. You know at the party, I spoke about
my baseball team for my neighborhood. Remember I told you
that we grew up. There was eleven guys the Black Catt,
the Blackcatter baseball team celebrating this year our fiftieth anniversary.
We started the team in nineteen seventy four to twenty
(36:58):
twenty four, and we were going to have a big
party and everything this coming April or May. And we
lost one of those guys just since the party. Yes, Chris,
he wasn't at the party. He wasn't at the party.
But that's how humbling life can be. So I want
to pay my respects to Nick Nunez, who lived right
(37:20):
down the block for me, literally four or five houses
from where I grew up. So he passed. I think
the day was yesterday. He passed yesterday, fifty nine years old.
Chris turned fifty nine in December early December. So we
lost a big part of my life. I've never lost
(37:41):
anybody that close like a friend. And so he's the
first guy from this baseball team that I grew up with.
And he leaves behind his wife and his daughter, Noel,
and we're all gonna miss him, and just the greatest
guy in the world.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
He was a.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
He worked in corrections for New York State and just
played baseball with us, played all sports. And the thing
I always remember the most about Nick was when we
were kids and we got the first batting helmet, a
real batting helmet, and Nick used to have a big afro,
and he spent the night you know, I'm not at
my place, but spent slept, I should say, with the
(38:18):
helmet on all night. He was so excited about the
batting helmet that he warned to bed Chris. So I
always remember that about Nick.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, that's the great story. That's tough, man, that's uh.
I feel for you, and our prayers.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Will be with his family. That's tough, and I know
it's tough.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Even for you.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, when you lose a friend like that.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
So fifty years, man, fifty years.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
That's a blessing though, that you guys were friends for
so long, so all right, Well, it's the eye couple
signing off. But keep it locked here Fox Sports Radio
because Mike Harmon and Jason Smith are next, and they
bring heat.
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