January 24, 2024 • 30 mins
Chris and Rob explain why the Jim Harbaugh made the right decision to leave the Michigan Wolverines and become the next head coach of the Los Angeles Chargers and tell us if all the social media chatter by several family members of Cowboys players could spell the beginning of the end for Dak Prescott in Dallas. Plus, former NBA All-Star Michael Redd swings by to discuss the Milwaukee Bucks’ surprising decision to fire head coach Adrian Griffin despite holding 30-13 record, what Doc Rivers brings to the table in Milwaukee, how James Harden has changed the season-long trajectory of the Los Angeles Clippers and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Jim Harball just hit the lottery.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
You couldn't have asked for a better situation, even though
I thought Justin Herbert took a step back.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Chris to a Tier two quarterback. Too many turnovers.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
He has franchise quarterback stuff. Oh so they got he
They have a franchise quarterback. Do they have the playmakers
on defense? Absolutely? Did that defense play up to its capabilities?
No way know how that is a team that has
personnel or ready. Jim Harbaugh had success in the NFL.
(01:04):
Never won the Super Bowl, but got there with the
forty nine ers and went the three NFC championship games.
I know the division is tough. I don't care if
I'm Jim Harbaugh and I'm leaving Michigan and leaving college.
I want to be in a situation that's going to
give me a chance to win, not some five year
rebuilding going to Jacksonville or some situation Chris that's just
(01:25):
gonna take forever in a day. And the other part
is when I say hit the jackpot, he also gets
away from Michigan that will be left in ruins. They
won a national championship, they got all these investigations following them,
and all this other stuff that could hit the fan.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
So he did his job there, Chris.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Right at his alma Mada, played for both chem Beckler
won a real national championship that Michigan hadn't won since
Moby Dick was a guppy. And now he gets to
come to La a new stadium, a franchise quarterback, defensive playmakers.
And I don't know if Christmas if he didn't have
(02:09):
a great Christmas, he just had one because everything lines
up perfectly for his escape from Michigan.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
No, I agree with virtually everything you said, Rob.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
He's heading into a great situation.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
And look, whatever you think about Jim Harbaugh and what
he did at Michigan and all that I'm talking about,
you know, the scandal and all that, the dude is
a good football coach.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
He's a great football coach. And he has a chance now,
Rob to become what the fourth coach.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
That every guy done?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
The Super Bowl and the n cua A Championship, the
two of them with Dallas, Jimmy Johnson, Berry Switzer the
other one?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Who's the other one?
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Rob?
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Let me know who.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
It's on the tip of my tongue. But there's three
guys that have done Jimmy, did you said, Jimmy Johnson?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Swift? M right with usc? Is that one count? Chris?
I'm just asking them, Well, it.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Counts as much as much as Harball's right. Actually does
he count?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
They take it away.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
I don't do that count.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Will count it for the sake of argument.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
But he is a great football coach, Rob, and the
Chargers did a great job.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
They hit a home.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Run, especially from Brandon Staley, Chris especially.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And here's the thing, Rob, and he's not taking He's
taking over a team that I think is in better
shape than San Francisco was when he got there. When
he took over San Francisco, Rob, they had gone eight
years is it eight?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
One, two, three, four five six?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Eight years without making the playoffs. They were six and
ten the year before he got there.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
First year, Rob, he leads.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Him to a thirteen and three record and the conference
championship game. Second year they reached the super Bowl. Third
year they also reached the conference championship game and lose.
Fourth year they were eight and eight. They fell off
and that's when.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, he had the fallen out with the owners and
that was the end of that.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And so he's a good coach, I expect. I mean,
like you said, the Chargers are.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
They have talent.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
They're not a rebuild. They are a re kind of
restructure and get it going. Like they should be robbed.
If they don't make the playoffs next year, it's a disappointment.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Something went terribly wrong because that team is just too
too talented.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Chrise and you know, doing the local.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
The Challenge here on KNBC in Los Angeles every Sunday
after football. You know, I watched all of the games
closely and we broke down the plays and the situations
and whatnot for the local LA TV audience, and I
just couldn't believe how awful they were under Brandis Staley.
I mean, it was just ridiculous. Horrific and so good
(05:03):
for them.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Now, the one place I disagree with you, Rob is
when you said best situation for him, this is a
great one, I would argue the one now this is
not including whether and all that it's not even close weatherwise,
and this job isn't open. I thought it might open.
I think you you may be with me in that
(05:26):
you could. It wouldn't be, you know, a bad move
if it were open Buffalo, because I think Josh Allen
is better than Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I think this is a better job. Really, Buffalo is broken.
I think you need to, really, Chris, not only not
only make changes with the players, that mindset and what's
going on in Buffalo, like the disappointment that team might
be mentally broken, like like they can't they need.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
A new coach.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I changed the culture. But you know, he's in a
great situation Justin Herbert. I'm excited to see what Herbert
becomes because you know, one of harball specialties is working
with quarterbacks. It was under him that Colin Kaepernick, you know,
became a star, if only briefly, but became a star.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
And remember he's the one who made the quarterback change
that people thought he was crazy.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I mean like that that was Smith to Kaepernick.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Alex Smith was a service, he was Chris a solid quarterback,
and it was a shocker when Harball was like, oh no,
I got something here that we haven't seen.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Right, So it's gonna be fun to watch and interesting.
So congratulations to Jim Harbaugh. Congratulations to the Chargers. I
think is a job well done on this.
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Speaker 5 (07:32):
Down in Dallas, things not so good.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Rob g come in in summarize there's been a mess
down there in Dallas ever since they lost shockingly in
the first round to the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
But tell us what's been going on.
Speaker 8 (07:47):
Oh that's an understatement, Chris, because not only has Dak been,
you know, catching strays from sports media members like Rob
Parker and Dallas Cowboy fans, now it's spilled over into
his own locker room because the family members of three
separate Dallas Cowboys players, on three separate social media platforms
have all taken their shots at the Cowboys quarterback. First
(08:10):
it was Ceedee Lamb's mother. Her name is Lita Ramirez.
She was on Facebook and put all caps Dak, isn't it.
Then she responded to a comment saying.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I thought moms was supposed to say if you don't
have anything nice to say, don't tweet at all.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Will go.
Speaker 8 (08:31):
She doubled down Rot because she said they need to
get rid of his ass. It's guys on that team
that want to ring. They work too hard. He don't
want to ring. And then Terrence Parsons Junior, who is
the brother of past rusher Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Does he have a podcast too? I want to listen
to No, he.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Was out of a podcast.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
He decided to air his grievances on Instagram, So the
second social media site says, I am questioning your future
with a picture of Dak. Take forty million or pack
your bags. I ain't gonna lie. You need all the
help you can get, so basically saying, if you're gonna
come back to the Cowboys, you better take a hometown
discount because you ain't worth it. And last, but not least,
(09:12):
this is the craziest one of them all. Dak Prescott's
own brother Now, while he was defending his brother in
his play overall this season, he did say on Twitter
now known as X that he wants Dak out of Dallas, saying,
Cowboys fans, why you continue to DM me?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Trust me?
Speaker 8 (09:31):
If I could get Dak to leave Dallas, I would
I too want him out of Dallas.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Wow, man, I do you know what.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
I'll raise my hand to Chris. I want him out
of Dallas too, in the worst way. I know you're
still on board with Dak and think that they're gonna
win a Super Bowl with them at some point say
that I just think you can win this. Okay, you
can win with him. I've seen enough. I'm not surprised
this frustration. He hasn't been there for year, year or
two three. This is seven years there and for eight
(10:07):
it just eight years and Chris, this wasn't he played
well and they lost.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
We can live with that. We can live with that.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
You know, like you can get beat by a better
team that plays better than you on a certain given night.
That that's sports. They're upsets, all kinds of stuff. But
to be in that game, to be unprepared, uninspired, have
a piss poor performance by Dak and go look the
last few years home games where the offense has just
(10:38):
been sputtering and Dak hasn't played well. I'm just I'm
I'm convinced now more than ever that this is who
he is. And until further notice, I just I cannot
believe in anything else. I would rather Chris Brussard have
the unknown than the known. I'd rather give the unknown
(11:00):
a chance then to know what ultimately is gonna happen
come January and has happened time and time again. The
Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones. I thought they were about winning.
But after that embarrassment, one of the worst playoff losses
in the history of the Dallas Cowboys, Chris for them
(11:22):
to bring those two guys back and act like everything's okay.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
The work, okay, the work.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I was trying to be nice the worst and to
bring those two guys back and act like, uh, well,
we'll just run it back.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Look, there have been a lot of court Heck, people
were yelling about Lamar Jackson up until last week. Yeah
he won it, or he's gonna win MVP, But what's
he gonna do in the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
One in three in the playoffs? You know, and he's
six years in.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Peyton Manning won his Super Bowl at nine years in
and in those playoffs through three touchdowns and seven picks.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
So you you don't win it until you win it.
So I ain't look, you know, let me just I
don't interrupt you. Two of those guys have something that
Dak doesn't have.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
They're both better than Dak. Don't get.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
The only well, to me, that makes it even worse,
Like you, They were looking at Peyton Manny like, dude,
you're the best quarterback we've seen, You're killing it in
the regular season, but then we get in the playoffs
and you struggle.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Now, he had some big games.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
In the playoffs before he won his first Super Bowl,
but he also had some clunkers. So I'm just saying that,
you know, this doesn't mean Dak Prescott can never play
well in the playoffs. But what I want to get
to Rob, we know you think they should trade him more,
move him on, let him go somewhere else, you know,
play one more year, and then leave as a free agent.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
I think they should bring.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Him back and resign him, and I'm pretty convinced that's
what's gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
But what I want to talk about Rob is this situation.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I mean Rob, if my wife, you know, tweets out,
you know Rob Parker is terrible on the eye.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Come if it wasn't for him, if you'd come.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
To the party though, right, she had already tweeted, I'm
not going to that party.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Are you kidding? He's terrible on the air.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Right, if that happened, wouldn't you look sideways at me?
I be honest, Even if I come out and say publicly, hey,
look I love Rob. We've done the show together. For
five and a half years. It's been great. I got
nothing but love for my man. You know, my wife
(13:51):
doesn't speak for me. She's got her own opinion. That's fine,
but I disagree with it. I mean, I guess maybe
then you might believe Would you believe me?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Or would you be like man?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
He's obviously talking to his wife in Pillow Chris Pillow talk,
Hey baby, how's the show going?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Oh god, he's just brutal.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
You know, I gotta stick around because of the loot
is just too good.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
But I just could not work with that guy.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Thank god I'm in New Jersey and I don't have
to be a safe studio with him every day.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
But you see what I'm saying, Rob, Like, do you
think we talked about this with tray Von Diggs and
Steph Diggs, step Ron Diggs.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
I mean, where's Ceedee Lamb's mom getting that from?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Right? Come on?
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I'm with you, I'm with you and and Micah.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Look, Micah came out with a statement Rob saying he
believes in all his teammates.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
He's glad to be a cowboy, and you know all that.
It was a good statement.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
And I will give Micah the benefit of the doubt
because he didn't mention that personally.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
And the only reason I'm giving him the benefit of
the doubt is because.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
His brother criticized the organization, the fans, the coaching staff,
to play calling all that. So maybe Mike was like,
let me just take care of it in one fell swoop.
I would have liked to have seen him, though, say
something about Dak and how he supports him. And beyond
that though Rob ceedee Lamb, rob g as he has
(15:22):
he made any statements about.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
This, not as of yet.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
No, So Rob, I'm sorry, Cede Lamb has to come
out and say something to you know, say look again,
I love my mother and she thinks for herself, she
does for herself, and she has a right to have
her own opinion. But it's not one that I share.
(15:46):
It's not one that I gave her. I believe in that,
you know something. If he doesn't, then it makes me think,
especially Rob on the heels of the body language that
we saw from CD I am and the interactions between
him and Dak Prescott in that game, it's.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Gonna make people think something's up with him.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
And maybe something is.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
No, definitely, there's no other way to read into it,
especially when he hears somebody's mom, you just Chris, I'm
not saying she doesn't know football. And obviously she's followed
her son's whole football career right until he got to
the pros, so she's been around football and she's watched
enough games to have an opinion. But that you just wonder,
(16:30):
like if she knew that her son really was all
about Dak and felt like his career ow Dak, my God,
to have this quarterback. I'm getting balls, I'm making money,
do you.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Like, like she wouldn't be spouting that, she wouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
No and Rob and I'm speculating, but if guys don't
come out and defend Dak. You remember at the beginning
of the season, and I didn't think it was a
big deal, but you remember when Trayvon Diggs and some
other dipty we're talking trash to Dak, Remember that in
practice called him to B word. And I thought it
(17:08):
was all in good trash talk and all that, and
maybe it was, like I said, I think it was,
But when something like this happens and no one comes
to his defense, it makes me wonder, is this similar
to the situation that was in Seattle when you had
(17:30):
the Legion of Boom and the great defense and you
had Russell Wilson, right, and they won a Super Bowl.
They went back to another one, but the defense didn't
like not like russ right. There was tension there. They
didn't like the way he moved and you know all that,
(17:51):
and something like this, unless it's rectified, Rob makes you
wonder is that the case or is it similar to
that in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I've never gotten a whiff of that until this.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
And and you know this, Chris, the frustration of what
this year was supposed to be for the Cowboys and
how they won sixteen in a row at home and
people were talking about them that this is different.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
They have a chance to get to the Super.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Bowl, all that kind of stuff, and they have it
go down in flames and Dak have.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
A terrible night, like a terrible game.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
It wasn't like again. They lost, and there was a
few reasons why they lost. They lost, and a lot
of it had to do with poor quarterback play. The
defense didn't play well either, Chris, but.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
The hook, Yeah, he was bad. He was bad. So
it's interesting. Rob do you think this will lead to
it in party ways quickly?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
No, I don't think it's over this, But but I
I and and financially Chris, they're painted in the corner.
So no, when I talk about I'd like to see
to move on, I understand as a financial part of it.
And he has a no trade and there's all these
other entanglements that difficult.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Will you think they should?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
But they should, They would should do whatever they need
to do in order to move on and and and
do something else there, because it's gonna be another year wasted.
It could wind up being another year or two. If
I'm Jerry, I'm just like, my god. Is Jerry looking
like at a watch and look at the time go by?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Or is he watching an hour glass with Sam like thinking.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I got we talked about it.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Jerry can talk all that smack he wants about winning
the championship. He wants a championship his way, that's what
he wants. He don't just want a championship.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
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Speaker 5 (20:04):
We welcome in Michael Red. What's up my man?
Speaker 9 (20:09):
That was always a pleasure, always a pleasure. Thanks you
for having me as always, guys.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
No doubt you on now.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
We were talking earlier about having you on and we
were wondering, do you are you still doing your podcast?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
It was about mental health right, No, it.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
It wasn't just about mental health. It was a gamment
of things and really talking to people all around the
world who have experienced incredible things and wanted to share
their stories of how they battle themselves. So and were
you all gets on the show and so thank you
again for doing that. And then when we launched that
this year, actually twitch it'll be it'll be announce pretty show.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Actually, I was trying to figure out what Chris had
done to want this show.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I'm just put up with Rob for five and a half.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
That's definite.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
I gotta get the show Rob at sometime. Seriously, I would.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Love to be on the show. Fit the crime here,
No I do, I don't.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Michael Red, I would love to love to talk about
mlbbro dot com.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
My website covered black baseball players. I would love to
get on.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It's more black writers for m LB BRO than there
are players.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Almost we got like seventy on staff and eighty five players.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
But that's all good, all right, Mike, Let's start here.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
The Bucks.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You're the team you were a star with, the Milwaukee Bucks.
Adrian Griffin gets them off to a thirty and thirty start,
but it looks like there were you know, players questioning
his strategies and so on and so forth, and I
will say, I don't think they looked like a championship
team as well as they played.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
He's let go. They bring in Doc Rivers.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I don't know how closely you're still following the team,
but do you think, what do you think of the firing,
and what do you think of them bringing in Doc
Rivers to kind of set things straight?
Speaker 9 (21:55):
I think, first of all, Adrian Griff is a peer
of mind, played many years against each other, and just
saw it actually a week and a half ago to Milwaukee,
and so surprised at the timing, but not shocked. I've
seen this throughout my career with many coaches, and and
(22:17):
you know, it's just unfortunate for him because I know
how many years. He has caught his way to get
into an opportunity to be a head coach, and but
that the ownership is committed to winning at any cost,
and it's an opportunity to pivot and risk, you know,
pr scrutiny the financial situation with his contract, the post
(22:39):
Buck contract to bring in a high quality, h experienced coach.
So you have a novice head coach in the beginning
of the season coaching and leading the ship for experienced,
championship caliber team and you just don't have many years
to wait with Damon and youngness. So I I'm sad
(23:01):
for Adrian, but also I understand the nature of the business.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
But Michael, I'll push back on this.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
And I know Doc won a championship in twenty ten, okay,
but the resume of late has been raggedy.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Three one losses we saw with the.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Clippers, okay, and then ty Lu shows up and they
get to the Western Conference finals without Kawhi. Leonard goes
to Philadelphia. Chris and I were stunned that after being
let go by the Clippers, he was hired right away
by the seventy six ers. They can't they to get
them to the next level. They can't get out of
(23:38):
the second round three years in a row. Okay, so
he gets fired. There they were up. If you remember
against Boston they won game won there without EMBIID, they
were up. They could have won that series, didn't win it.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And now here it is to Milwaukee.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Like when I look at Doc of late, he didn't
look like the coach is gonna get you where you
want to go?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
What are they looking at that? I don't see.
Speaker 9 (24:04):
The champions And you can never take that from him. No,
I get that, And so I think and I understand
that that's the saying rob Let me ask you a question, Robers,
he give him a better chance to agents different.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I don't know, you know what. He's the unknown to me,
and I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
But I know what Doc Rivers is as the known,
and what the known is of late is not good.
I mean, the last time Doc Rivers won a championship,
sports writers were using typewriters.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
It's just been a minute.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
What have you done for.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Me, Mike?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Let's go here tonight. We got a great game Oklahoma City.
I mean San Antonio is not a good team, but
they got victor winm Benyama seven five does everything. Chet
Holme Grin with Oka. See not their best player. They
got Shay Gilgers Alexander, but Chet Hongers seven to three
does everything.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
You played in the.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Area, and it wasn't even that long ago, but we
didn't see you weren't seeing seven foot five guys shooting.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Threes, handling the ball, bringing it up, courting all.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
That when you see those two in particular, but just
the way the game is going, Like, what are your
thoughts when you kind of reflect on it from your
your time in the league.
Speaker 9 (25:27):
Yeah, it's it's Christian spot on. It's a it's an
evolution of players. It's a it's tall men playing a
small game now. And what I mean by that is
you have these giants now who are traditionally put in
the paint now playing guard basically or the small four positions.
(25:47):
You know, So when I played, it was you know,
Sean Bradley's and y'all means and Jorget mirathions. But they
never never, never, you can never conceive them dribbling the
ball and shooting the ball the way these guys are today.
The pature of the game is much faster, Guys are
much more slender. They don't have the girth of the
(26:09):
guys of old. But it's a different game now and
it's fun to wash the evolution there really is. It's
every everybody shoots breed now too. I mean the game
is so spaced out. I mean Check and Victor shoot
brees regularly in a pup threes, you know, so you
can never imagine seeing Elijah Wann or David Robinson or
(26:30):
uh you saw the lip of KG where she you
know a little bit of that evolution with couch Webber
as well. But this is another level.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
On let me ask you this along those lines.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Right now, I would say the first team, and I'm
a voter, Like if I had to vote right now
on first Team All NBA, it would be Shae Gilders,
Alexander Canada, uh Luka, Doncic Slovenia.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Or is it Serbia?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I might be mixing him up with yok but Jokic Serbia,
Giannis Nigeria or Greece or Grece, and then mb Cameroon.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
From the States.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Right you played on the redeemed team when y'all had
to come and get the championship back for the United
States and win the gold medal, Like you saw this
summer we were we finished third or fourth, third I
think in the FOBA, and you know, so we are behind.
I mean, the world has more than caught up. Like
(27:43):
I said, probably the top five players at least as
far as all NBA are from outside of the United States.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Like, what do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And do you think there's something America can do or
needs to do to kind of get back to where
I mean where we have some of the best handful
of players in the world.
Speaker 9 (28:06):
So there's a couple of points in that, Chris, and
it's spot on my real my real top five twa
in the league are not not those guys, not all
of them. If I had to put my life on
the line, it all came down to, you know, the marvels.
You still got to go Lebron, Stephen kt stroll to
the top five.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Well, I trust that with that. But I'm saying they're older,
they're gonna be gone in four.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Or five years, right, sure, sure, now you're right. And
so I think when you look at Europe and overseas,
they tend to probably practice more than playing right from
from an au standpoinder, from a youth league standpoint, from
a younger standpoint over here in America, we play a
ton of games that don't practice them. So there's a
breakdown right there. And so we've got it somehow in
(28:52):
our systems here in America. Get back to practicing fundamentals
right and practicing more in quantity than actually playing. I
think we played too many games as youth and we
don't have the fundamentals or develop the skill sets right
and just playing. And so you've got to practice, practice, practice,
And I know that's not a very popular thing in
(29:12):
today's time, but really, at the end of the day,
I believe those guys are received are probably practicing more
and then let's playing. In my opinion, I think that's.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
A good answer.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Yeah, no, do real quick though, I want to get this.
I know we're way over time. One last thing, less
than a minute. Just about the Clippers with the additional
hard and where how they've come together. They got off
to a terrible zero to five star. People will question
if it was going to work, and now they're rolling.
Do you like that team and the and the and
the pieces that they have.
Speaker 9 (29:41):
I do, I really do. They're so scary and when
you got Tyler at the helm with that I.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Think he's a tremendous coach.
Speaker 9 (29:48):
I think he's a tremendous coach, and I love Tyler
as a friend. We played together in Milwaukee, and uh,
just an incredible coach. Doesn't get the credit I think
that he deserves. I think that's probably the dark horse
in the West in the sense of like literary code
out of the West. I love them. I love the Clippers.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
No, that's that's a great They look good. There's no
doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I mean, if you say Denver's the favorite, Clippers are
right there with anybody else. So alright, that's Michael Red,
former NBA All Stars
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Jim Harball just hit the lottery.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
You couldn't have asked for a better situation, even though
I thought Justin Herbert took a step back.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Chris to a Tier two quarterback. Too many turnovers.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
He has franchise quarterback stuff. Oh so they got he
They have a franchise quarterback. Do they have the playmakers
on defense? Absolutely? Did that defense play up to its capabilities?
No way know how that is a team that has
personnel or ready. Jim Harbaugh had success in the NFL.
(01:04):
Never won the Super Bowl, but got there with the
forty nine ers and went the three NFC championship games.
I know the division is tough. I don't care if
I'm Jim Harbaugh and I'm leaving Michigan and leaving college.
I want to be in a situation that's going to
give me a chance to win, not some five year
rebuilding going to Jacksonville or some situation Chris that's just
(01:25):
gonna take forever in a day. And the other part
is when I say hit the jackpot, he also gets
away from Michigan that will be left in ruins. They
won a national championship, they got all these investigations following them,
and all this other stuff that could hit the fan.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
So he did his job there, Chris.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Right at his alma Mada, played for both chem Beckler
won a real national championship that Michigan hadn't won since
Moby Dick was a guppy. And now he gets to
come to La a new stadium, a franchise quarterback, defensive playmakers.
And I don't know if Christmas if he didn't have
(02:09):
a great Christmas, he just had one because everything lines
up perfectly for his escape from Michigan.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
No, I agree with virtually everything you said, Rob.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
He's heading into a great situation.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
And look, whatever you think about Jim Harbaugh and what
he did at Michigan and all that I'm talking about,
you know, the scandal and all that, the dude is
a good football coach.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
He's a great football coach. And he has a chance now,
Rob to become what the fourth coach.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
That every guy done?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
The Super Bowl and the n cua A Championship, the
two of them with Dallas, Jimmy Johnson, Berry Switzer the
other one?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Who's the other one?
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Rob?
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Let me know who.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
It's on the tip of my tongue. But there's three
guys that have done Jimmy, did you said, Jimmy Johnson?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Swift? M right with usc? Is that one count? Chris?
I'm just asking them, Well, it.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Counts as much as much as Harball's right. Actually does
he count?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
They take it away.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
I don't do that count.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Will count it for the sake of argument.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
But he is a great football coach, Rob, and the
Chargers did a great job.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
They hit a home.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Run, especially from Brandon Staley, Chris especially.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And here's the thing, Rob, and he's not taking He's
taking over a team that I think is in better
shape than San Francisco was when he got there. When
he took over San Francisco, Rob, they had gone eight
years is it eight?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
One, two, three, four five six?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Eight years without making the playoffs. They were six and
ten the year before he got there.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
First year, Rob, he leads.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Him to a thirteen and three record and the conference
championship game. Second year they reached the super Bowl. Third
year they also reached the conference championship game and lose.
Fourth year they were eight and eight. They fell off
and that's when.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, he had the fallen out with the owners and
that was the end of that.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And so he's a good coach, I expect. I mean,
like you said, the Chargers are.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
They have talent.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
They're not a rebuild. They are a re kind of
restructure and get it going. Like they should be robbed.
If they don't make the playoffs next year, it's a disappointment.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Something went terribly wrong because that team is just too
too talented.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Chrise and you know, doing the local.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
The Challenge here on KNBC in Los Angeles every Sunday
after football. You know, I watched all of the games
closely and we broke down the plays and the situations
and whatnot for the local LA TV audience, and I
just couldn't believe how awful they were under Brandis Staley.
I mean, it was just ridiculous. Horrific and so good
(05:03):
for them.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Now, the one place I disagree with you, Rob is
when you said best situation for him, this is a
great one, I would argue the one now this is
not including whether and all that it's not even close weatherwise,
and this job isn't open. I thought it might open.
I think you you may be with me in that
(05:26):
you could. It wouldn't be, you know, a bad move
if it were open Buffalo, because I think Josh Allen
is better than Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I think this is a better job. Really, Buffalo is broken.
I think you need to, really, Chris, not only not
only make changes with the players, that mindset and what's
going on in Buffalo, like the disappointment that team might
be mentally broken, like like they can't they need.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
A new coach.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I changed the culture. But you know, he's in a
great situation Justin Herbert. I'm excited to see what Herbert
becomes because you know, one of harball specialties is working
with quarterbacks. It was under him that Colin Kaepernick, you know,
became a star, if only briefly, but became a star.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
And remember he's the one who made the quarterback change
that people thought he was crazy.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I mean like that that was Smith to Kaepernick.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Alex Smith was a service, he was Chris a solid quarterback,
and it was a shocker when Harball was like, oh no,
I got something here that we haven't seen.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Right, So it's gonna be fun to watch and interesting.
So congratulations to Jim Harbaugh. Congratulations to the Chargers. I
think is a job well done on this.
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Speaker 5 (07:32):
Down in Dallas, things not so good.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Rob g come in in summarize there's been a mess
down there in Dallas ever since they lost shockingly in
the first round to the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
But tell us what's been going on.
Speaker 8 (07:47):
Oh that's an understatement, Chris, because not only has Dak been,
you know, catching strays from sports media members like Rob
Parker and Dallas Cowboy fans, now it's spilled over into
his own locker room because the family members of three
separate Dallas Cowboys players, on three separate social media platforms
have all taken their shots at the Cowboys quarterback. First
(08:10):
it was Ceedee Lamb's mother. Her name is Lita Ramirez.
She was on Facebook and put all caps Dak, isn't it.
Then she responded to a comment saying.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I thought moms was supposed to say if you don't
have anything nice to say, don't tweet at all.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Will go.
Speaker 8 (08:31):
She doubled down Rot because she said they need to
get rid of his ass. It's guys on that team
that want to ring. They work too hard. He don't
want to ring. And then Terrence Parsons Junior, who is
the brother of past rusher Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Does he have a podcast too? I want to listen
to No, he.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Was out of a podcast.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
He decided to air his grievances on Instagram, So the
second social media site says, I am questioning your future
with a picture of Dak. Take forty million or pack
your bags. I ain't gonna lie. You need all the
help you can get, so basically saying, if you're gonna
come back to the Cowboys, you better take a hometown
discount because you ain't worth it. And last, but not least,
(09:12):
this is the craziest one of them all. Dak Prescott's
own brother Now, while he was defending his brother in
his play overall this season, he did say on Twitter
now known as X that he wants Dak out of Dallas, saying,
Cowboys fans, why you continue to DM me?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Trust me?
Speaker 8 (09:31):
If I could get Dak to leave Dallas, I would
I too want him out of Dallas.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Wow, man, I do you know what.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
I'll raise my hand to Chris. I want him out
of Dallas too, in the worst way. I know you're
still on board with Dak and think that they're gonna
win a Super Bowl with them at some point say
that I just think you can win this. Okay, you
can win with him. I've seen enough. I'm not surprised
this frustration. He hasn't been there for year, year or
two three. This is seven years there and for eight
(10:07):
it just eight years and Chris, this wasn't he played
well and they lost.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
We can live with that. We can live with that.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
You know, like you can get beat by a better
team that plays better than you on a certain given night.
That that's sports. They're upsets, all kinds of stuff. But
to be in that game, to be unprepared, uninspired, have
a piss poor performance by Dak and go look the
last few years home games where the offense has just
(10:38):
been sputtering and Dak hasn't played well. I'm just I'm
I'm convinced now more than ever that this is who
he is. And until further notice, I just I cannot
believe in anything else. I would rather Chris Brussard have
the unknown than the known. I'd rather give the unknown
(11:00):
a chance then to know what ultimately is gonna happen
come January and has happened time and time again. The
Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones. I thought they were about winning.
But after that embarrassment, one of the worst playoff losses
in the history of the Dallas Cowboys, Chris for them
(11:22):
to bring those two guys back and act like everything's okay.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
The work, okay, the work.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I was trying to be nice the worst and to
bring those two guys back and act like, uh, well,
we'll just run it back.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Look, there have been a lot of court Heck, people
were yelling about Lamar Jackson up until last week. Yeah
he won it, or he's gonna win MVP, But what's
he gonna do in the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
One in three in the playoffs? You know, and he's
six years in.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Peyton Manning won his Super Bowl at nine years in
and in those playoffs through three touchdowns and seven picks.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
So you you don't win it until you win it.
So I ain't look, you know, let me just I
don't interrupt you. Two of those guys have something that
Dak doesn't have.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
They're both better than Dak. Don't get.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
The only well, to me, that makes it even worse,
Like you, They were looking at Peyton Manny like, dude,
you're the best quarterback we've seen, You're killing it in
the regular season, but then we get in the playoffs
and you struggle.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Now, he had some big games.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
In the playoffs before he won his first Super Bowl,
but he also had some clunkers. So I'm just saying that,
you know, this doesn't mean Dak Prescott can never play
well in the playoffs. But what I want to get
to Rob, we know you think they should trade him more,
move him on, let him go somewhere else, you know,
play one more year, and then leave as a free agent.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
I think they should bring.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Him back and resign him, and I'm pretty convinced that's
what's gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
But what I want to talk about Rob is this situation.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I mean Rob, if my wife, you know, tweets out,
you know Rob Parker is terrible on the eye.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Come if it wasn't for him, if you'd come.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
To the party though, right, she had already tweeted, I'm
not going to that party.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Are you kidding? He's terrible on the air.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Right, if that happened, wouldn't you look sideways at me?
I be honest, Even if I come out and say publicly, hey,
look I love Rob. We've done the show together. For
five and a half years. It's been great. I got
nothing but love for my man. You know, my wife
(13:51):
doesn't speak for me. She's got her own opinion. That's fine,
but I disagree with it. I mean, I guess maybe
then you might believe Would you believe me?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Or would you be like man?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
He's obviously talking to his wife in Pillow Chris Pillow talk,
Hey baby, how's the show going?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Oh god, he's just brutal.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
You know, I gotta stick around because of the loot
is just too good.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
But I just could not work with that guy.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Thank god I'm in New Jersey and I don't have
to be a safe studio with him every day.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
But you see what I'm saying, Rob, Like, do you
think we talked about this with tray Von Diggs and
Steph Diggs, step Ron Diggs.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
I mean, where's Ceedee Lamb's mom getting that from?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Right? Come on?
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I'm with you, I'm with you and and Micah.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Look, Micah came out with a statement Rob saying he
believes in all his teammates.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
He's glad to be a cowboy, and you know all that.
It was a good statement.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
And I will give Micah the benefit of the doubt
because he didn't mention that personally.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
And the only reason I'm giving him the benefit of
the doubt is because.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
His brother criticized the organization, the fans, the coaching staff,
to play calling all that. So maybe Mike was like,
let me just take care of it in one fell swoop.
I would have liked to have seen him, though, say
something about Dak and how he supports him. And beyond
that though Rob ceedee Lamb, rob g as he has
(15:22):
he made any statements about.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
This, not as of yet.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
No, So Rob, I'm sorry, Cede Lamb has to come
out and say something to you know, say look again,
I love my mother and she thinks for herself, she
does for herself, and she has a right to have
her own opinion. But it's not one that I share.
(15:46):
It's not one that I gave her. I believe in that,
you know something. If he doesn't, then it makes me think,
especially Rob on the heels of the body language that
we saw from CD I am and the interactions between
him and Dak Prescott in that game, it's.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Gonna make people think something's up with him.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
And maybe something is.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
No, definitely, there's no other way to read into it,
especially when he hears somebody's mom, you just Chris, I'm
not saying she doesn't know football. And obviously she's followed
her son's whole football career right until he got to
the pros, so she's been around football and she's watched
enough games to have an opinion. But that you just wonder,
(16:30):
like if she knew that her son really was all
about Dak and felt like his career ow Dak, my God,
to have this quarterback. I'm getting balls, I'm making money,
do you.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Like, like she wouldn't be spouting that, she wouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
No and Rob and I'm speculating, but if guys don't
come out and defend Dak. You remember at the beginning
of the season, and I didn't think it was a
big deal, but you remember when Trayvon Diggs and some
other dipty we're talking trash to Dak, Remember that in
practice called him to B word. And I thought it
(17:08):
was all in good trash talk and all that, and
maybe it was, like I said, I think it was,
But when something like this happens and no one comes
to his defense, it makes me wonder, is this similar
to the situation that was in Seattle when you had
(17:30):
the Legion of Boom and the great defense and you
had Russell Wilson, right, and they won a Super Bowl.
They went back to another one, but the defense didn't
like not like russ right. There was tension there. They
didn't like the way he moved and you know all that,
(17:51):
and something like this, unless it's rectified, Rob makes you
wonder is that the case or is it similar to
that in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I've never gotten a whiff of that until this.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
And and you know this, Chris, the frustration of what
this year was supposed to be for the Cowboys and
how they won sixteen in a row at home and
people were talking about them that this is different.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
They have a chance to get to the Super.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Bowl, all that kind of stuff, and they have it
go down in flames and Dak have.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
A terrible night, like a terrible game.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
It wasn't like again. They lost, and there was a
few reasons why they lost. They lost, and a lot
of it had to do with poor quarterback play. The
defense didn't play well either, Chris, but.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
The hook, Yeah, he was bad. He was bad. So
it's interesting. Rob do you think this will lead to
it in party ways quickly?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
No, I don't think it's over this, But but I
I and and financially Chris, they're painted in the corner.
So no, when I talk about I'd like to see
to move on, I understand as a financial part of it.
And he has a no trade and there's all these
other entanglements that difficult.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Will you think they should?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
But they should, They would should do whatever they need
to do in order to move on and and and
do something else there, because it's gonna be another year wasted.
It could wind up being another year or two. If
I'm Jerry, I'm just like, my god. Is Jerry looking
like at a watch and look at the time go by?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Or is he watching an hour glass with Sam like thinking.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I got we talked about it.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Jerry can talk all that smack he wants about winning
the championship. He wants a championship his way, that's what
he wants. He don't just want a championship.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
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Speaker 5 (20:04):
We welcome in Michael Red. What's up my man?
Speaker 9 (20:09):
That was always a pleasure, always a pleasure. Thanks you
for having me as always, guys.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
No doubt you on now.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
We were talking earlier about having you on and we
were wondering, do you are you still doing your podcast?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
It was about mental health right, No, it.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
It wasn't just about mental health. It was a gamment
of things and really talking to people all around the
world who have experienced incredible things and wanted to share
their stories of how they battle themselves. So and were
you all gets on the show and so thank you
again for doing that. And then when we launched that
this year, actually twitch it'll be it'll be announce pretty show.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Actually, I was trying to figure out what Chris had
done to want this show.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I'm just put up with Rob for five and a half.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
That's definite.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
I gotta get the show Rob at sometime. Seriously, I would.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Love to be on the show. Fit the crime here,
No I do, I don't.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Michael Red, I would love to love to talk about
mlbbro dot com.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
My website covered black baseball players. I would love to
get on.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It's more black writers for m LB BRO than there
are players.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Almost we got like seventy on staff and eighty five players.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
But that's all good, all right, Mike, Let's start here.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
The Bucks.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You're the team you were a star with, the Milwaukee Bucks.
Adrian Griffin gets them off to a thirty and thirty start,
but it looks like there were you know, players questioning
his strategies and so on and so forth, and I
will say, I don't think they looked like a championship
team as well as they played.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
He's let go. They bring in Doc Rivers.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I don't know how closely you're still following the team,
but do you think, what do you think of the firing,
and what do you think of them bringing in Doc
Rivers to kind of set things straight?
Speaker 9 (21:55):
I think, first of all, Adrian Griff is a peer
of mind, played many years against each other, and just
saw it actually a week and a half ago to Milwaukee,
and so surprised at the timing, but not shocked. I've
seen this throughout my career with many coaches, and and
(22:17):
you know, it's just unfortunate for him because I know
how many years. He has caught his way to get
into an opportunity to be a head coach, and but
that the ownership is committed to winning at any cost,
and it's an opportunity to pivot and risk, you know,
pr scrutiny the financial situation with his contract, the post
(22:39):
Buck contract to bring in a high quality, h experienced coach.
So you have a novice head coach in the beginning
of the season coaching and leading the ship for experienced,
championship caliber team and you just don't have many years
to wait with Damon and youngness. So I I'm sad
(23:01):
for Adrian, but also I understand the nature of the business.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
But Michael, I'll push back on this.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
And I know Doc won a championship in twenty ten, okay,
but the resume of late has been raggedy.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Three one losses we saw with the.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Clippers, okay, and then ty Lu shows up and they
get to the Western Conference finals without Kawhi. Leonard goes
to Philadelphia. Chris and I were stunned that after being
let go by the Clippers, he was hired right away
by the seventy six ers. They can't they to get
them to the next level. They can't get out of
(23:38):
the second round three years in a row. Okay, so
he gets fired. There they were up. If you remember
against Boston they won game won there without EMBIID, they
were up. They could have won that series, didn't win it.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And now here it is to Milwaukee.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Like when I look at Doc of late, he didn't
look like the coach is gonna get you where you
want to go?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
What are they looking at that? I don't see.
Speaker 9 (24:04):
The champions And you can never take that from him. No,
I get that, And so I think and I understand
that that's the saying rob Let me ask you a question, Robers,
he give him a better chance to agents different.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I don't know, you know what. He's the unknown to me,
and I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
But I know what Doc Rivers is as the known,
and what the known is of late is not good.
I mean, the last time Doc Rivers won a championship,
sports writers were using typewriters.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
It's just been a minute.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
What have you done for.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Me, Mike?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Let's go here tonight. We got a great game Oklahoma City.
I mean San Antonio is not a good team, but
they got victor winm Benyama seven five does everything. Chet
Holme Grin with Oka. See not their best player. They
got Shay Gilgers Alexander, but Chet Hongers seven to three
does everything.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
You played in the.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Area, and it wasn't even that long ago, but we
didn't see you weren't seeing seven foot five guys shooting.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Threes, handling the ball, bringing it up, courting all.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
That when you see those two in particular, but just
the way the game is going, Like, what are your
thoughts when you kind of reflect on it from your
your time in the league.
Speaker 9 (25:27):
Yeah, it's it's Christian spot on. It's a it's an
evolution of players. It's a it's tall men playing a
small game now. And what I mean by that is
you have these giants now who are traditionally put in
the paint now playing guard basically or the small four positions.
(25:47):
You know, So when I played, it was you know,
Sean Bradley's and y'all means and Jorget mirathions. But they
never never, never, you can never conceive them dribbling the
ball and shooting the ball the way these guys are today.
The pature of the game is much faster, Guys are
much more slender. They don't have the girth of the
(26:09):
guys of old. But it's a different game now and
it's fun to wash the evolution there really is. It's
every everybody shoots breed now too. I mean the game
is so spaced out. I mean Check and Victor shoot
brees regularly in a pup threes, you know, so you
can never imagine seeing Elijah Wann or David Robinson or
(26:30):
uh you saw the lip of KG where she you
know a little bit of that evolution with couch Webber
as well. But this is another level.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
On let me ask you this along those lines.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Right now, I would say the first team, and I'm
a voter, Like if I had to vote right now
on first Team All NBA, it would be Shae Gilders,
Alexander Canada, uh Luka, Doncic Slovenia.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Or is it Serbia?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I might be mixing him up with yok but Jokic Serbia,
Giannis Nigeria or Greece or Grece, and then mb Cameroon.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
From the States.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Right you played on the redeemed team when y'all had
to come and get the championship back for the United
States and win the gold medal, Like you saw this
summer we were we finished third or fourth, third I
think in the FOBA, and you know, so we are behind.
I mean, the world has more than caught up. Like
(27:43):
I said, probably the top five players at least as
far as all NBA are from outside of the United States.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Like, what do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And do you think there's something America can do or
needs to do to kind of get back to where
I mean where we have some of the best handful
of players in the world.
Speaker 9 (28:06):
So there's a couple of points in that, Chris, and
it's spot on my real my real top five twa
in the league are not not those guys, not all
of them. If I had to put my life on
the line, it all came down to, you know, the marvels.
You still got to go Lebron, Stephen kt stroll to
the top five.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Well, I trust that with that. But I'm saying they're older,
they're gonna be gone in four.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Or five years, right, sure, sure, now you're right. And
so I think when you look at Europe and overseas,
they tend to probably practice more than playing right from
from an au standpoinder, from a youth league standpoint, from
a younger standpoint over here in America, we play a
ton of games that don't practice them. So there's a
breakdown right there. And so we've got it somehow in
(28:52):
our systems here in America. Get back to practicing fundamentals
right and practicing more in quantity than actually playing. I
think we played too many games as youth and we
don't have the fundamentals or develop the skill sets right
and just playing. And so you've got to practice, practice, practice,
And I know that's not a very popular thing in
(29:12):
today's time, but really, at the end of the day,
I believe those guys are received are probably practicing more
and then let's playing. In my opinion, I think that's.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
A good answer.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Yeah, no, do real quick though, I want to get this.
I know we're way over time. One last thing, less
than a minute. Just about the Clippers with the additional
hard and where how they've come together. They got off
to a terrible zero to five star. People will question
if it was going to work, and now they're rolling.
Do you like that team and the and the and
the pieces that they have.
Speaker 9 (29:41):
I do, I really do. They're so scary and when
you got Tyler at the helm with that I.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Think he's a tremendous coach.
Speaker 9 (29:48):
I think he's a tremendous coach, and I love Tyler
as a friend. We played together in Milwaukee, and uh,
just an incredible coach. Doesn't get the credit I think
that he deserves. I think that's probably the dark horse
in the West in the sense of like literary code
out of the West. I love them. I love the Clippers.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
No, that's that's a great They look good. There's no
doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I mean, if you say Denver's the favorite, Clippers are
right there with anybody else. So alright, that's Michael Red,
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