January 25, 2024 • 33 mins
Chris and Rob discuss whether or not Bill Belichick getting snubbed during the NFL head coaching cycle could wind up being a blessing in disguise, explain why the Detroit Lions would be wise to offer Jared Goff a big contract extension this offseason and debate whether the Atlanta Falcons made the right decision to pass on hiring Belichick to be their next head coach because he reportedly wanted front office input as well.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brushaw and Ron.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Harker Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
So when he parts ways with the New England Patriots
a few weeks ago, I don't know if this was
the exact number at that time, but there have been
seven jobs open all right now it is.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Down to two really just one.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well you got Washington Washington commanders, and what's the other
one open right now?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
But they're not going to replace a seventy year old
with a said, I just that wouldn't make any sense
to me.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
So I'm really saying there's only there's only one job.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
That's just my take.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
No that makes sense. But technically there were seven jobs open.
He made it clear he wanted to continue coaching, and
he has not gotten any of those jobs.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
The only one we know he interviewed for and presumably
was interested in was Atlanta. Maybe he was interested in
some of the others but just didn't get an interview.
But first Rob, let's let's give a little bit of
love to Raheem Morris. Raheem Morris, Rob the new coach
of the Atlanta Falcons. And remember he coached Tampa Bay
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and had mixed results first year three and thirteen, but
that was a team that you know, they were coming
there and been nine and seven. They change everything up,
they go three and thirteen under him. But the next
year ten and seven, so things were looking up to
ten and six, I'm sorry, ten and six. Ten things
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were looking up though, and then two four win seasons
and he didn't even make it through the fourth season there.
But it's good to see him get a second shot.
And Rob, we've talked a lot, you know, in the
past about African American head coaches in the NFL or
the lack thereof.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
And in this.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Hiring cycle, three Antonio Pears with the Raiders, Jerib Mayo
with the Patriots, and now Raheem Morris with the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So that's good. It's all have in common.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
But I mean, we get that.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
What'd you say, I said? We all three have in common.
They're black.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Though, no, I'm been saying they're not prime jobs right now.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
But oh but again, and don't get me ready, to
be honest, a lot of these jobs aren't prime jobs.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Most of the time you get fired and to change.
I get that, But I'm just saying, like you know,
like Miko did, he took a non prime job. But
but that but that what I'm just saying. But that
was a bad job. Like just going in they had
high three three black coaches.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
In the row, Chris like that was.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And remember they only hired Lovely Smith because they got
They could have just.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Said lovey and was it? Who was was it? It
wasn't who was the second black guy or the first one?
Who was the guy?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
It was clear he wasn't going to be he would
have got But you get my point right right right? Yeah,
But these are look, these are the jobs that were open.
I'm not great.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
But it's good that it's half most cases.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Right to me, I look at Raheem getting a second
opportunity because that that doesn't happen that often. And that's
the part that I think is is is good. I
like to see that all right, So let's move on
to Belichick. Rob, do you think it's a bad look
that he didn't get any of these jobs for him?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
No?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I mean not yet.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I mean if he doesn't get any job, then I
think that's bad for him.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Then you know what I mean. And Washington still there.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
People have mentioned Washington before, so it's not as that
out of the roma. Possibly, No, But if I'm Bill Belichick,
like I said, I don't want.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
To sit out like I do, I don't want any
of these And to be honest, now again, maybe Atlanta
gets Kirk Cousins, that would have made it more attractive.
But Chris, but Rob, looking at these jobs, if I'm
Bill Belichick, I'd rather sit out.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And I think next year, now we don't know, it's
not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
But Dallas could be open, Buffalo could be open, Philadelphia
could be open. Why take one of these jobs where
you don't know if you got a.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Quarterback and if you don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
We've seen that picture in New England when when Tom
Brady left it ain't pretty brock, Bill Belichick, the last.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Thing he needs to do is go somewhere and it
be ugly.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
So wait, But but the longer wait, the longer you're
oute at that age.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I just don't think that that's the best spot to
be in.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And I'm not saying, of course, just take any job
for the hell of it, but I think if you
can get back into coaching and what I mean get
back like continue coaching without having to sit out. He's
not going to be a TV analyst. That's not his
m he's not glib. He's not going to give you
any insight, so that in that job is out, he might.
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He might then out of sight, out of mind, people
look up on that Bill Belichick and out of mind.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
He ain't never gonna go.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
He'll go guess what, Wow, Wow, he's seventy four years old,
he said, I wouldn't you know, Like like that's what
happens is is all time's passed him by. The game's
passed him by. Like one year, Yes, Chris, a lot
happens in one of the game. And what happens in
one year If no, if the only jobs that are
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open next year, say there's only two or three jobs
and they're really bad jobs with no quarterback, Now what
now you're looking at sitting out another year?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Now it's two years.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well maybe then you say, Okay, if I really want
to get in, this is what I have to do.
But I just think Rob, I think he would be
better off sitting out than going to a bad situation. Yeah,
because a bad situation. I just haven't seen enough from
him without a quarterback to think a bad situation would
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get any better with him.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yeah, I like, I like the Atlanta job. If you
get a quarterback with that team, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
But that's that's gone.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
So yeah, but I'm just saying, like Washington and Washed.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Airing the same thing.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I mean, you know they're in the same boat as
as Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Here's another bad thing. I mean, you know they they do.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
They had the young quarterback this year, Sam how I mean,
I don't know we saw Belichick.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
The other thing too, is uh, Eric being me will
never be a coach in the NFL. I mean, I
just like, like Chris probably not seriously, like if he
didn't the city struggle heard him any interview, Sam Howe,
like right, who was leading the league for a while,
and block blossom a little bit from that from underneath
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him and now you know, not like you say, no interviews,
nothing going on that Washington job is open, like like
it just.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
The it just doesn't look like it's going to you're
right now.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
I mean, how can I look and think three years
from not gonna get a job, right?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
This was the seven openings or actually eight openings, well
seven I guess, well, no eight because he was in Washington,
could have been promoted. Like you said, everything was in
his favorite and Rob he was actually getting favorable press
because everybody was that what I'm saying, struggles that Kansas
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City should bring him in for the playoffs and you
know they miss him clearly. And Washington, like you said,
Sam Howe throwing the ball well at least leading the
league in yards. I agree, And I don't know what
it is. And and I don't think it's like we said,
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you see black coaches getting hirghed. We just saw three
get hired.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So like I don't know, I have no idea what
he's like in his interviews. There are guys and we
don't know this about him. That's the unfair thing is
he hasn't gotten a shot. But we have seen Rob
a lot of guys that were great coordinators, but they
weren't head.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Coaches, you know, and a lot of there's a lot
of swings and misses yep with head coaches, Chris a
Ton Yep, it's actually I don't know what's worse promoting,
like giving these coordinators head coaching jobs or drafting first
quarterback with the first overall pick.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
I don't know what you.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Miss harder to determine.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yeah, Like like like Nathaniel Hackett that had two MVP
rides with Aaron Rodd.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Was a disaster.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Like there's just so many guys who have gotten jobs
and then you know, one year, two years, they just
they just weren't good enough. What was the guy's name
in Houston, Sam Cully?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Sam?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
No, not?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
What was his name? Kully?
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Was his last name? David Color?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
David Color a.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Lot older, you know, But I mean, but he was
in the league for a hundred years, Chris, is what
I'm saying, Like, there's a guy.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
It wasn't like some young kid you're give an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
He was a season guy at all Belichick's guys, you
know all of Belichick's guys, right, Yeah, you don't know Rob,
you don't know, so, but yeah, I think Belichick, Rob
would be better off sitting out and waiting for a
plumb job.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Now, I agree with you can't wait too long. He
probably can't wait more than a year. But I just
don't think any of these jobs is very appealing. And
it's interesting was were the Chargers not interested in him?
Or was he not interested in the Charges?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Did any interview?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Now obviously Harball was a great hire, but no, he didn't.
There was no reports of him interviewing. So that's my point, like,
would that have been something that interested him? You know,
we get the ownership situation there. Maybe he felt like
it wasn't his company.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah, and also Harball played for the I mean it's
just I mean, Harball, here's a lot of stuff, and
he's coming off a national championship, and he's a younger
guy sixty.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Bill Belichick could be long term.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I say could because Harthaus weren't out as welcome quickly too.
But you know Belichick's not long term, right, that's three
four years.
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Speaker 1 (11:32):
We all know how well things are going for the
Lions in the conference championships for the first time in
thirty plus years, but this is a business as well.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
Rob g ts up on golf in his contract. Sure,
so Jared Goff is in the NFC. Cham's your game.
Everyone's excited about if Fred Warner called him one of
the great quarterbacks in the NFL. This week's picking him
up at the press conference. So as a result, you'd
expect then that Jared Goff would like to be paid
as one of the greatest quarterbacks in the NFL, because.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I remember he got a big deal with he did
with the Rams and then was trained. Do you remember
what it was? It was four for one thirty four. Yeah,
he got paid.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
So it's not like he never got a contract.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
Right right, So after this season in twenty twenty four,
he will be entering the last year of his contract,
which is twenty twenty four, and he has zero dollars
and guaranteed money left on his contract. Now, his capit
isn't that big, only thirty one million next season. But
you guys all know, nobody worth their salt enters into
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a season as a lame duck coach quarterback what have you?
So you gouts expect he's gonna be looking for a
new contract this offseason.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I mean, Rob, if I was the Lions and I
like Jared Goff and I'm sure they like him, they
have to. He's done great, I wouldn't bring up the conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Look at he's great, he did a great of the line.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
But I'm last year is going to be you know,
I don't know what the date is, whether it's in March,
whether it's in the summer, but at some point it's
gonna be guaranteed he's gonna.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Get paid for his last year. My point is I'd
love to see one more year of him.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
But his agent, if he's worth his salt, which I'm
sure he is, is going to bring it up and
Rob at the end of the day, I gotta pay
the man.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
If we can't play around, I gotta pay.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Like, what would you be doing, Okay, you waited all
this time to finally get win some playoff games. You're
in the NFC Championship game, and then the first thing
you're gonna do is be like, no, we're not paying
a quarterback. Okay, we want to start all over one
another nineteen fifty seven, like like, it doesn't make sense,
and it doesn't mean we talked about it, Chris. The
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division is only gonna get tougher. I think as you
go forward with Green Bay, No, the Packers are gonna
be better. Okay, and then there's a chance of Kayla
with the Bears, they finished strong, maybe they got some players,
you got a little better quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
And then Minnesota, you know, I don't know where they
are because they're not gonna have it gonna have a
different quarterback.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
I don't know where they really fit in.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
But anyway, my point is, you had a good coach,
don't mess around with this, don't like I.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Mean, I get it.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You don't have to give him the make them the
highest paid quarterback in the league, but you gotta take
your pay that you know what I mean, Like, no,
I'm not doing that, so that you know, you.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Know how it works rob everybody.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You know, generally a guy becomes the highest paid and
so that that's what I'm talking about. I mean, I
definitely would love to sign him at a favorable number,
but whatever the case, he's getting fifty plus.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
The interesting thing for them, and I know his average
is what about thirty four million a year over that deal,
which at that time was huge now not so much, right,
But it isn't like they've had him on his rookie deal, right.
They've had to build around him, you know, from the
get go, with him taking up a lot of the
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salary cap, and so that won't be as big of it.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
An adjustment for them. But it's tough, you know. But
at the end of the day, you have to have
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Everybody can't have Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, And so
I think I would hold my breath and sign him
because and if they lose to me, Rob, this game
doesn't really have any bearing on it because I mean,
they're expected to lose.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
They're supposed to lose to you know, to the the Niners,
So that really shouldn't I agree, Chris.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I agree because even if they lose, it doesn't matter
what happens. They've done enough this year to make you
feel good about Jared Golf that the trade that you
made worked out. Even though Stafford went on and got
his Super Bowl, we got that, but but the lines
made out as well, and you got Jared Garlf.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
He's not an old guy, got a few more good
years left in him.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And you want and you don't want to upset the
Apple card, don't make it, Cause Chris, they've raised ticket
prices like sixty percent.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
So you know what I mean like that, like they're
cashing out right on it line.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I got Ryan fans friends, Chris who have canceled their
season tickets for next year.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Really yeah, but even though they're playing, well that's what
they just when you win.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
They're so mad though that like they've been fans and
bought season tickets for twenty years when the product was
bad and not that. They don't expect to, you know,
for them to raise the ticket prices, but to gouge them,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
The first bit of success, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
And it's sixty percent like something like that, like like
that's a big increase. This is the Midwest, Chris. You
lived in the Midwest. These are people who are average joes,
don't have a lot of disposable income like that. They're
not eating out of fancy restaurants all the time. About
saying all but you know what.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Your point, Rob, they supported them through the lean time.
I don't know where they selling out.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
They were they were close to sellout, you know what
I mean, But they weren't empty seats or like empty sections.
Everyone wanted to sell out, but big crowds always Chris, always,
twenty years, I was, you know, covering and being there
all the time. People supported the Lions, and I don't
I don't expect the Lions to to not try to,
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you know, increase their revenue. I get that once you
start winning and all that, but not to gouge or
close out or push out all those.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Fans who've been supporting you all along.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Do you feel, like Rob, that this is the Lions
are building something. I mean, now they've obviously, you know,
they gotten to the Final four, so they they've obviously
gone a long way already. But do you see this
as something that's going to go on for the next
few years? Or you know, there are always teams that
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you know they were I mean, look at Minnesota and
I know Kirk Cousins got hurt, but they were only
four and four when he got hurt.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But remember they were thirteen and three.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
D You remember they won like five five or so games.
Remember when he got hurt, they went on a run.
And then who was the quarterback who came in the
rocket science I mean the astronaut who dies you couldn't
finish the job.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
You remember, then he was exposed.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
But they weren't gonna go no, no, But I'm just saying,
but they want to win four or five games in
a row.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Do you think that they the Lions are building something
where they're going to be, you know, one of those
top teams in the mix for the next you know,
three four years, or do you think this could be
a one.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Off I'm just not I'm not sure yet. I'm not
sure in the NFL, you know how it goes. Chris
thes teams that sometimes, as you say, come out of
nowhere one year and then do they sustain it?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Is it a is it a one time deal? You know?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Do you fall back in the pack the next year?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Do your people not maybe not take you as seriously
the first time you really step up there, and then
once you do, they change the way they look at you.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
You know, there's all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
So I'm not.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I don't think they're going all the way backwards. But
do I think they're gonna win the division every year
and it's the Lions division to lose.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I'm not there yet.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Look like I said, I think Green Bay is gonna
be a Super Bowl contender next year. But I also
think the Lions will be Like I think this is legit.
I think they're going to be good. Dan Campbell's done
a great job there. You know, the offense is among
the best in the league. The defense gives up a
ton of passing yards.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
In parts effort had to almost three seventy and they.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, but some of that I don't even want to
say in part like it's fifty percent. But some of that,
Rob is because they're so good against the run that
teams can't run on them. So they throw the ball
a lot, but they don't give up a ton of
touchdowns and things like that, but they do give up
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a ton of passing yards.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
But I think they'll even get better on that side
of the ball. So I think they're here to stay.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You know, I'm not predicting a Super Bowl necessarily, but
I do think they're going to be one of those
top teams. Like next year, I think they're gonna be
one of the top teams again in the NFC and
have a chance to come out of the NFC.
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Speaker 1 (20:59):
Let's go back to the NFL and Albert Greer, who
does a great job covering the league. He has his
daily or weekly show up in Boston and Rob. He
talked about why Bill Belichick did not get the Atlanta job,
which of course went to Raheem Moore's heeriot.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
I'm gonna give Caps some credit for this because the
Sunday show that we do. He asked me before one
of the shows, can you go find out what the
market for Bill was? And I thought it'd be pretty straightforward,
and it actually wasn't. It was, Oh yeah, he could
definitely get a job as an executive as kind of
an overseer. Oh yeah, he could definitely get a job
as a coach. But no one's going to throw them
the keys the way that he has them in New England.
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So I hope that's not what he's expecting. And I
think that's what it comes down to, is like teams
used to be set up the way the Patriots have
been the last twenty four years, no one is anymore,
and no one centers it that much around the head coach.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
The jobs. It's just too big now.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
And so like I think a lot of this comes
down to Art Blank wanted to hire and I have
that on good authority. I know you've heard it too.
Arthur Blank wanted to hire Bill Belichick the head coach.
And it wasn't the money I think he was willing
to pay him. It was everything else that was going
to have to happen, and the amount of people around
him that Bill's going to need here and the amount
of people that might be outgoing because of it, And
I think people in that building knew, like, hey, if
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Bill comes here, I'm not I probably won't be here
for very long, much longer, And so those people wind
up getting in Blanks here.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Interesting, Rob, Well, if that's what the reason was, Chris,
then I hope Arthur Blank never wins a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
You can't run a business like that.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, you can't run a business like that. You heard
what I said.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I'm hoping that's not why he didn't hire him, because
this is what happens in bad organizations.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
They've never won anything. Their team is down and out.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
And I'm just saying, if the reason that you didn't
want to hire Bill Belichick is strictly because you don't
want to upset the Apple card and you don't want
to change what hasn't worked for forty years or however, Arthur,
how long Arthur Blank has owned that team, and that
han't been that long. But Chris, if that's true, I'm
just saying, if that's the reason, then I got a
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problem with that because you gotta be willing to change
it ain't working.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
The way they've been.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Doing it in Atlanta. And I'm not the biggest Bill
Belichick guy. I've told you that, Chris. But I'm saying,
if that's the reason that you're not hiring somebody because
oh my god, the guy who's been to GM or
been in the front office for fifteen years is gonna
get put out or the other person is gonna get
put out or whatever like that, can't be the reason
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why you don't hire somebody. That's all I say. I
agree with that, That's what I'm saying, and I agree
with that philosophy. If you're the owner and you run things,
then do what you want to do.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
However, what I disagree with Arthur Blank or or even
if it and Robzie is it that did Arthur Blank
just wanted Belichick to coach too, right, He didn't want
him to be the GM and all that.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That's not what I.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Took from that Albert Beard thing.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
The way reported it is that Arthur Blank was one
on board with Belichick, the coach, was fine with paying
him whatever it is that he wanted. What his issue
was and the issue within the building was if we
hire Bill as the coach, he's gonna want X, Y,
and Z in the front office. He's gonna want this
much say of this. He's gonna want this kind of
guys coming in with him. And they were not on
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board with that stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
And nor should they have been.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And that's where I don't know if you if you
rob Atlanta, Washington, Seattle, any organization NFL should not turn
their team over as far as the front office and
all that to Bill Belichick. That would be lunacy. Now, sure,
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hire him as a head coach. We know he's a
great coach. We know he's a great defensive mind. But
give the front office story, give him full authority.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
No, you're missing what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
You're missing what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
No, I get you. I want to what I'm saying. Ok,
you're saying that if you're the owner, you shouldn't listen
to the employees. Is that correct? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:29):
That that that that people that people losing their jobs
on the organization that doesn't win.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I'm I'm sorry. I'm not worried about people losing your job.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I'm worried about giving control of football operations to the
wrong man. That's what I'm talking about, and that's what
we should be talking about I agree with you. If
you're the owner and you want to go a certain
direction and say your your GM, your assistant GM. They're
worried that, hey, if Bill comes in, we're gonna lose
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our jobs. I get you on that, and that's fine.
Like if you want to bring in a new GM
and you want to bring in a new head coach,
of course those guys are gone and you shouldn't let
their feelings get in the way of you doing what's
best for the franchise. What I'm saying is Bill Belichick
needs to just be coaching. What in the world would
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I did I see in New England the last five
years to make me think otherwise?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I just I can't get with a team Chris, with
an organization that is afraid to hurt people's feelings when
you don't win.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
That That's that's all. I hear your point on Bill.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You want are you you want to give him control?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
He's gonna have some say I'm not saying total control.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
No, not total, no.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Way that he's not gonna have Every coach has something
and that you should get the requisite amount of say
but I'm not but but I'm not coming in there
with the same old guys who've been in Atlanta for
fifteen years and nothing's work.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I don't those guys, Chris.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
If you want to go out and hire a new
general manager and move some people around and go bring
in some some new talent or new eyes or whatever,
that's fine. But to just state of status quo and
bring in Raheem Morris because he he doesn't he won't be.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Young because he's just gonna coach football. That's wrong with that.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I'm because coaching because it's bigger than that, because there's
other issues with that organization, the picking up player.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Actually they do have a lot of talent. Ron the
front office is actually put a let together a nice team.
They don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
That's I mean, I'm I'm like, I would like to
know your thoughts on Bill Belichick. I just don't hire
him as I would hire him, and I would give
him he would have some say not as some say no,
but I'll be the coach or ready be the coach
last GM.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
No, that's not what I said. I said he would
be the coach, but he of course would have say
and doesn't have any say, right, So that's what you're hiring.
Was Just so ubber Beard didn't say Bill Belichick said,
if I'm not the GM and bottle washer, I'm not coming.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
That's not what That's not what he reported. What he said.
I agree with you on the people. That's fine.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I mean, I don't think that's the conversation. The conversation
is Bill Belichick to.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Me, and I'm not if I'm not any.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
No franchise in the NFL should give him control of
football operations. Bill, you're a great coach, but come here
and coach. But of course we're all together. We have
to work together, and I want to hear your thoughts
on these players. But I'm just saying the GM or
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the president, however they line up their organization, should have
the final say.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
They shouldn't have to cower and cow tew to Belichick
like like he had it in New England. That's all
I'm saying. I agree with you on your your philosophy.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
I just think this, this is why certain teams don't win.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
A few years ago around not like they've been. I mean,
they haven't been a great franchise, but let's not act
like they've been.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Just the all I'm saying is all I'm saying, is
their teams and law, but you can't be afraid to
make changes.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
That's that's all I'm Chris. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I don't think anybody would disagree.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
No way, Bill Belichick is coming there where he won't
have any say wow.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Do you know you don't think Raheem Morris gonna have
any say.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
I don't think he'll have any kind of say that
Bill Belichick not a guy with six.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Let's see how Bill Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Let's see where his next job is, all right, and
we'll see how Raheem Morris does with the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
We'll see how.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm just.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Trophy. They made the right decision.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Of course, the coach should be able to sit there
and be like, these are the guys. I like, this
is why I like him. I would pick him. I
think we should pick him. Of course, you just don't
have the final say. That's all I'm saying. And I
think you know, I think they'd be.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Willing to give Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Some say because he's the head coach, but you gotta
be able to work with others.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah, but nobody says that he's not. I mean the
last SoundBite I heard from Bill was about.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
But you were about the only one that believed that
sound came out of his mouth. Fine, a lot of.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Stuffs come out of people's mouths. I didn't believe I
mean why I didn't believe it? And now, of course
it seems like he wanted more in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
So what happened to that? I just want to coach.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
No, I'm not so sure if that was it, or
if it was that Atlanta was so afraid to make
major changes.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Rob g jump in, Well, I got a question for you, Rob,
because you you're very upset, and I understand about the
idea that Atlanta just didn't feel comfortable cleaning house because
they have, you know, familiarity in the building they want
to let go of it. Raheem Morris coached in Atlanta
from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty. Do you believe in
just without no source, in just your opinion, that because
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they're already familiar with him in the building, that was
one of the driving forces to why.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Probably they know him and yeah, they know him, and
they know he's not going to be an overbearing guy
who's going to flex his muscles and tell you to
your The people in the front office.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
You don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
You guys have never won here. I'm trying to tell
you what I bring to the table. And I've won.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
And I didn't just win six championships in New England.
I won two Super Bowls in New York and I
did that.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I'm just saying, you can go anybody as a coordinator.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Is going, yeah, but I'm just saying, those are the
things that maybe they don't want to deal with.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Rob g That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Is that because Chris is saying, of course Bill's gonna
have some some say what's the problem, what's the.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Problem, what's the problem?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I'm saying I would not turn over full say final
say to Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Because, I mean, Bill Belichick didn't do a good job
in New England the last few once time Brady left,
he didn't do a good job. And with final say, so,
why in the world would I give him final say?
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Now, that's all the people in Atlanta haven't done anything.
That's why they got some good talent. That's why they
got a.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
New in a quarterback. And maybe we'll see I mean
didn't have didn't they draft a lot of teams messed
up at quarterback, That's what I'm saying. So, but I'm
just saying, like they that that's what they need, and
we'll see that. You know how well Morris does the
rob I mean, are they gonna go get Justin Fields,
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Are they gonna go get Kirk Cousins like all?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
That remains to be seen.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
But I don't fault them for just wanting Bill Belichick
to be the coach. Of course, you get say like
other coaches, but you're not coming in here and just
taking control of the organization. Now, if it was somebody else,
maybe much younger maybe, but not not Belichick now,
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Harker Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
So when he parts ways with the New England Patriots
a few weeks ago, I don't know if this was
the exact number at that time, but there have been
seven jobs open all right now it is.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Down to two really just one.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well you got Washington Washington commanders, and what's the other
one open right now?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
But they're not going to replace a seventy year old
with a said, I just that wouldn't make any sense
to me.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
So I'm really saying there's only there's only one job.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
That's just my take.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
No that makes sense. But technically there were seven jobs open.
He made it clear he wanted to continue coaching, and
he has not gotten any of those jobs.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
The only one we know he interviewed for and presumably
was interested in was Atlanta. Maybe he was interested in
some of the others but just didn't get an interview.
But first Rob, let's let's give a little bit of
love to Raheem Morris. Raheem Morris, Rob the new coach
of the Atlanta Falcons. And remember he coached Tampa Bay
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and had mixed results first year three and thirteen, but
that was a team that you know, they were coming
there and been nine and seven. They change everything up,
they go three and thirteen under him. But the next
year ten and seven, so things were looking up to
ten and six, I'm sorry, ten and six. Ten things
(02:12):
were looking up though, and then two four win seasons
and he didn't even make it through the fourth season there.
But it's good to see him get a second shot.
And Rob, we've talked a lot, you know, in the
past about African American head coaches in the NFL or
the lack thereof.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
And in this.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Hiring cycle, three Antonio Pears with the Raiders, Jerib Mayo
with the Patriots, and now Raheem Morris with the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So that's good. It's all have in common.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
But I mean, we get that.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
What'd you say, I said? We all three have in common.
They're black.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Though, no, I'm been saying they're not prime jobs right now.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
But oh but again, and don't get me ready, to
be honest, a lot of these jobs aren't prime jobs.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Most of the time you get fired and to change.
I get that, But I'm just saying, like you know,
like Miko did, he took a non prime job. But
but that but that what I'm just saying. But that
was a bad job. Like just going in they had
high three three black coaches.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
In the row, Chris like that was.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And remember they only hired Lovely Smith because they got
They could have just.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Said lovey and was it? Who was was it? It
wasn't who was the second black guy or the first one?
Who was the guy?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
It was clear he wasn't going to be he would
have got But you get my point right right right? Yeah,
But these are look, these are the jobs that were open.
I'm not great.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
But it's good that it's half most cases.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Right to me, I look at Raheem getting a second
opportunity because that that doesn't happen that often. And that's
the part that I think is is is good. I
like to see that all right, So let's move on
to Belichick. Rob, do you think it's a bad look
that he didn't get any of these jobs for him?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
No?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I mean not yet.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I mean if he doesn't get any job, then I
think that's bad for him.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Then you know what I mean. And Washington still there.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
People have mentioned Washington before, so it's not as that
out of the roma. Possibly, No, But if I'm Bill Belichick,
like I said, I don't want.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
To sit out like I do, I don't want any
of these And to be honest, now again, maybe Atlanta
gets Kirk Cousins, that would have made it more attractive.
But Chris, but Rob, looking at these jobs, if I'm
Bill Belichick, I'd rather sit out.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And I think next year, now we don't know, it's
not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
But Dallas could be open, Buffalo could be open, Philadelphia
could be open. Why take one of these jobs where
you don't know if you got a.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Quarterback and if you don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
We've seen that picture in New England when when Tom
Brady left it ain't pretty brock, Bill Belichick, the last.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Thing he needs to do is go somewhere and it
be ugly.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
So wait, But but the longer wait, the longer you're
oute at that age.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I just don't think that that's the best spot to
be in.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And I'm not saying, of course, just take any job
for the hell of it, but I think if you
can get back into coaching and what I mean get
back like continue coaching without having to sit out. He's
not going to be a TV analyst. That's not his
m he's not glib. He's not going to give you
any insight, so that in that job is out, he might.
(05:40):
He might then out of sight, out of mind, people
look up on that Bill Belichick and out of mind.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
He ain't never gonna go.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
He'll go guess what, Wow, Wow, he's seventy four years old,
he said, I wouldn't you know, Like like that's what
happens is is all time's passed him by. The game's
passed him by. Like one year, Yes, Chris, a lot
happens in one of the game. And what happens in
one year If no, if the only jobs that are
(06:07):
open next year, say there's only two or three jobs
and they're really bad jobs with no quarterback, Now what
now you're looking at sitting out another year?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Now it's two years.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well maybe then you say, Okay, if I really want
to get in, this is what I have to do.
But I just think Rob, I think he would be
better off sitting out than going to a bad situation. Yeah,
because a bad situation. I just haven't seen enough from
him without a quarterback to think a bad situation would
(06:36):
get any better with him.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yeah, I like, I like the Atlanta job. If you
get a quarterback with that team, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
But that's that's gone.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
So yeah, but I'm just saying, like Washington and Washed.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Airing the same thing.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I mean, you know they're in the same boat as
as Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Here's another bad thing. I mean, you know they they do.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
They had the young quarterback this year, Sam how I mean,
I don't know we saw Belichick.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
The other thing too, is uh, Eric being me will
never be a coach in the NFL. I mean, I
just like, like Chris probably not seriously, like if he
didn't the city struggle heard him any interview, Sam Howe,
like right, who was leading the league for a while,
and block blossom a little bit from that from underneath
(07:23):
him and now you know, not like you say, no interviews,
nothing going on that Washington job is open, like like
it just.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
The it just doesn't look like it's going to you're
right now.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
I mean, how can I look and think three years
from not gonna get a job, right?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
This was the seven openings or actually eight openings, well
seven I guess, well, no eight because he was in Washington,
could have been promoted. Like you said, everything was in
his favorite and Rob he was actually getting favorable press
because everybody was that what I'm saying, struggles that Kansas
(08:00):
City should bring him in for the playoffs and you
know they miss him clearly. And Washington, like you said,
Sam Howe throwing the ball well at least leading the
league in yards. I agree, And I don't know what
it is. And and I don't think it's like we said,
(08:21):
you see black coaches getting hirghed. We just saw three
get hired.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So like I don't know, I have no idea what
he's like in his interviews. There are guys and we
don't know this about him. That's the unfair thing is
he hasn't gotten a shot. But we have seen Rob
a lot of guys that were great coordinators, but they
weren't head.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Coaches, you know, and a lot of there's a lot
of swings and misses yep with head coaches, Chris a
Ton Yep, it's actually I don't know what's worse promoting,
like giving these coordinators head coaching jobs or drafting first
quarterback with the first overall pick.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
I don't know what you.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Miss harder to determine.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yeah, Like like like Nathaniel Hackett that had two MVP
rides with Aaron Rodd.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Was a disaster.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Like there's just so many guys who have gotten jobs
and then you know, one year, two years, they just
they just weren't good enough. What was the guy's name
in Houston, Sam Cully?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Sam?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
No, not?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
What was his name? Kully?
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Was his last name? David Color?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
David Color a.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Lot older, you know, But I mean, but he was
in the league for a hundred years, Chris, is what
I'm saying, Like, there's a guy.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
It wasn't like some young kid you're give an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
He was a season guy at all Belichick's guys, you
know all of Belichick's guys, right, Yeah, you don't know Rob,
you don't know, so, but yeah, I think Belichick, Rob
would be better off sitting out and waiting for a
plumb job.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Now, I agree with you can't wait too long. He
probably can't wait more than a year. But I just
don't think any of these jobs is very appealing. And
it's interesting was were the Chargers not interested in him?
Or was he not interested in the Charges?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Did any interview?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Now obviously Harball was a great hire, but no, he didn't.
There was no reports of him interviewing. So that's my point, like,
would that have been something that interested him? You know,
we get the ownership situation there. Maybe he felt like
it wasn't his company.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah, and also Harball played for the I mean it's
just I mean, Harball, here's a lot of stuff, and
he's coming off a national championship, and he's a younger
guy sixty.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Bill Belichick could be long term.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I say could because Harthaus weren't out as welcome quickly too.
But you know Belichick's not long term, right, that's three
four years.
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Speaker 1 (11:32):
We all know how well things are going for the
Lions in the conference championships for the first time in
thirty plus years, but this is a business as well.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
Rob g ts up on golf in his contract. Sure,
so Jared Goff is in the NFC. Cham's your game.
Everyone's excited about if Fred Warner called him one of
the great quarterbacks in the NFL. This week's picking him
up at the press conference. So as a result, you'd
expect then that Jared Goff would like to be paid
as one of the greatest quarterbacks in the NFL, because.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I remember he got a big deal with he did
with the Rams and then was trained. Do you remember
what it was? It was four for one thirty four. Yeah,
he got paid.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
So it's not like he never got a contract.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
Right right, So after this season in twenty twenty four,
he will be entering the last year of his contract,
which is twenty twenty four, and he has zero dollars
and guaranteed money left on his contract. Now, his capit
isn't that big, only thirty one million next season. But
you guys all know, nobody worth their salt enters into
(12:38):
a season as a lame duck coach quarterback what have you?
So you gouts expect he's gonna be looking for a
new contract this offseason.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I mean, Rob, if I was the Lions and I
like Jared Goff and I'm sure they like him, they
have to. He's done great, I wouldn't bring up the conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Look at he's great, he did a great of the line.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
But I'm last year is going to be you know,
I don't know what the date is, whether it's in March,
whether it's in the summer, but at some point it's
gonna be guaranteed he's gonna.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Get paid for his last year. My point is I'd
love to see one more year of him.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
But his agent, if he's worth his salt, which I'm
sure he is, is going to bring it up and
Rob at the end of the day, I gotta pay
the man.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
If we can't play around, I gotta pay.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Like, what would you be doing, Okay, you waited all
this time to finally get win some playoff games. You're
in the NFC Championship game, and then the first thing
you're gonna do is be like, no, we're not paying
a quarterback. Okay, we want to start all over one
another nineteen fifty seven, like like, it doesn't make sense,
and it doesn't mean we talked about it, Chris. The
(13:50):
division is only gonna get tougher. I think as you
go forward with Green Bay, No, the Packers are gonna
be better. Okay, and then there's a chance of Kayla
with the Bears, they finished strong, maybe they got some players,
you got a little better quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
And then Minnesota, you know, I don't know where they
are because they're not gonna have it gonna have a
different quarterback.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
I don't know where they really fit in.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
But anyway, my point is, you had a good coach,
don't mess around with this, don't like I.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Mean, I get it.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You don't have to give him the make them the
highest paid quarterback in the league, but you gotta take
your pay that you know what I mean, Like, no,
I'm not doing that, so that you know, you.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Know how it works rob everybody.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You know, generally a guy becomes the highest paid and
so that that's what I'm talking about. I mean, I
definitely would love to sign him at a favorable number,
but whatever the case, he's getting fifty plus.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
The interesting thing for them, and I know his average
is what about thirty four million a year over that deal,
which at that time was huge now not so much, right,
But it isn't like they've had him on his rookie deal, right.
They've had to build around him, you know, from the
get go, with him taking up a lot of the
(15:07):
salary cap, and so that won't be as big of it.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
An adjustment for them. But it's tough, you know. But
at the end of the day, you have to have
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Everybody can't have Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, And so
I think I would hold my breath and sign him
because and if they lose to me, Rob, this game
doesn't really have any bearing on it because I mean,
they're expected to lose.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
They're supposed to lose to you know, to the the Niners,
So that really shouldn't I agree, Chris.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I agree because even if they lose, it doesn't matter
what happens. They've done enough this year to make you
feel good about Jared Golf that the trade that you
made worked out. Even though Stafford went on and got
his Super Bowl, we got that, but but the lines
made out as well, and you got Jared Garlf.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
He's not an old guy, got a few more good
years left in him.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And you want and you don't want to upset the
Apple card, don't make it, Cause Chris, they've raised ticket
prices like sixty percent.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
So you know what I mean like that, like they're
cashing out right on it line.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I got Ryan fans friends, Chris who have canceled their
season tickets for next year.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Really yeah, but even though they're playing, well that's what
they just when you win.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
They're so mad though that like they've been fans and
bought season tickets for twenty years when the product was
bad and not that. They don't expect to, you know,
for them to raise the ticket prices, but to gouge them,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
The first bit of success, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
And it's sixty percent like something like that, like like
that's a big increase. This is the Midwest, Chris. You
lived in the Midwest. These are people who are average joes,
don't have a lot of disposable income like that. They're
not eating out of fancy restaurants all the time. About
saying all but you know what.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Your point, Rob, they supported them through the lean time.
I don't know where they selling out.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
They were they were close to sellout, you know what
I mean, But they weren't empty seats or like empty sections.
Everyone wanted to sell out, but big crowds always Chris, always,
twenty years, I was, you know, covering and being there
all the time. People supported the Lions, and I don't
I don't expect the Lions to to not try to,
(17:36):
you know, increase their revenue. I get that once you
start winning and all that, but not to gouge or
close out or push out all those.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Fans who've been supporting you all along.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Do you feel, like Rob, that this is the Lions
are building something. I mean, now they've obviously, you know,
they gotten to the Final four, so they they've obviously
gone a long way already. But do you see this
as something that's going to go on for the next
few years? Or you know, there are always teams that
(18:10):
you know they were I mean, look at Minnesota and
I know Kirk Cousins got hurt, but they were only
four and four when he got hurt.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But remember they were thirteen and three.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
D You remember they won like five five or so games.
Remember when he got hurt, they went on a run.
And then who was the quarterback who came in the
rocket science I mean the astronaut who dies you couldn't
finish the job.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
You remember, then he was exposed.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
But they weren't gonna go no, no, But I'm just saying,
but they want to win four or five games in
a row.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Do you think that they the Lions are building something
where they're going to be, you know, one of those
top teams in the mix for the next you know,
three four years, or do you think this could be
a one.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Off I'm just not I'm not sure yet. I'm not
sure in the NFL, you know how it goes. Chris
thes teams that sometimes, as you say, come out of
nowhere one year and then do they sustain it?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Is it a is it a one time deal? You know?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Do you fall back in the pack the next year?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Do your people not maybe not take you as seriously
the first time you really step up there, and then
once you do, they change the way they look at you.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
You know, there's all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
So I'm not.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I don't think they're going all the way backwards. But
do I think they're gonna win the division every year
and it's the Lions division to lose.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I'm not there yet.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Look like I said, I think Green Bay is gonna
be a Super Bowl contender next year. But I also
think the Lions will be Like I think this is legit.
I think they're going to be good. Dan Campbell's done
a great job there. You know, the offense is among
the best in the league. The defense gives up a
ton of passing yards.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
In parts effort had to almost three seventy and they.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, but some of that I don't even want to
say in part like it's fifty percent. But some of that,
Rob is because they're so good against the run that
teams can't run on them. So they throw the ball
a lot, but they don't give up a ton of
touchdowns and things like that, but they do give up
(20:24):
a ton of passing yards.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
But I think they'll even get better on that side
of the ball. So I think they're here to stay.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You know, I'm not predicting a Super Bowl necessarily, but
I do think they're going to be one of those
top teams. Like next year, I think they're gonna be
one of the top teams again in the NFC and
have a chance to come out of the NFC.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
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Speaker 1 (20:59):
Let's go back to the NFL and Albert Greer, who
does a great job covering the league. He has his
daily or weekly show up in Boston and Rob. He
talked about why Bill Belichick did not get the Atlanta job,
which of course went to Raheem Moore's heeriot.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
I'm gonna give Caps some credit for this because the
Sunday show that we do. He asked me before one
of the shows, can you go find out what the
market for Bill was? And I thought it'd be pretty straightforward,
and it actually wasn't. It was, Oh yeah, he could
definitely get a job as an executive as kind of
an overseer. Oh yeah, he could definitely get a job
as a coach. But no one's going to throw them
the keys the way that he has them in New England.
(21:44):
So I hope that's not what he's expecting. And I
think that's what it comes down to, is like teams
used to be set up the way the Patriots have
been the last twenty four years, no one is anymore,
and no one centers it that much around the head coach.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
The jobs. It's just too big now.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
And so like I think a lot of this comes
down to Art Blank wanted to hire and I have
that on good authority. I know you've heard it too.
Arthur Blank wanted to hire Bill Belichick the head coach.
And it wasn't the money I think he was willing
to pay him. It was everything else that was going
to have to happen, and the amount of people around
him that Bill's going to need here and the amount
of people that might be outgoing because of it, And
I think people in that building knew, like, hey, if
(22:20):
Bill comes here, I'm not I probably won't be here
for very long, much longer, And so those people wind
up getting in Blanks here.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Interesting, Rob, Well, if that's what the reason was, Chris,
then I hope Arthur Blank never wins a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
You can't run a business like that.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, you can't run a business like that. You heard
what I said.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I'm hoping that's not why he didn't hire him, because
this is what happens in bad organizations.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
They've never won anything. Their team is down and out.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
And I'm just saying, if the reason that you didn't
want to hire Bill Belichick is strictly because you don't
want to upset the Apple card and you don't want
to change what hasn't worked for forty years or however, Arthur,
how long Arthur Blank has owned that team, and that
han't been that long. But Chris, if that's true, I'm
just saying, if that's the reason, then I got a
(23:16):
problem with that because you gotta be willing to change
it ain't working.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
The way they've been.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Doing it in Atlanta. And I'm not the biggest Bill
Belichick guy. I've told you that, Chris. But I'm saying,
if that's the reason that you're not hiring somebody because
oh my god, the guy who's been to GM or
been in the front office for fifteen years is gonna
get put out or the other person is gonna get
put out or whatever like that, can't be the reason
(23:43):
why you don't hire somebody. That's all I say. I
agree with that, That's what I'm saying, and I agree
with that philosophy. If you're the owner and you run things,
then do what you want to do.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
However, what I disagree with Arthur Blank or or even
if it and Robzie is it that did Arthur Blank
just wanted Belichick to coach too, right, He didn't want
him to be the GM and all that.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That's not what I.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Took from that Albert Beard thing.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
The way reported it is that Arthur Blank was one
on board with Belichick, the coach, was fine with paying
him whatever it is that he wanted. What his issue
was and the issue within the building was if we
hire Bill as the coach, he's gonna want X, Y,
and Z in the front office. He's gonna want this
much say of this. He's gonna want this kind of
guys coming in with him. And they were not on
(24:38):
board with that stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
And nor should they have been.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And that's where I don't know if you if you
rob Atlanta, Washington, Seattle, any organization NFL should not turn
their team over as far as the front office and
all that to Bill Belichick. That would be lunacy. Now, sure,
(25:07):
hire him as a head coach. We know he's a
great coach. We know he's a great defensive mind. But
give the front office story, give him full authority.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
No, you're missing what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
You're missing what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
No, I get you. I want to what I'm saying. Ok,
you're saying that if you're the owner, you shouldn't listen
to the employees. Is that correct? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:29):
That that that that people that people losing their jobs
on the organization that doesn't win.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I'm I'm sorry. I'm not worried about people losing your job.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I'm worried about giving control of football operations to the
wrong man. That's what I'm talking about, and that's what
we should be talking about I agree with you. If
you're the owner and you want to go a certain
direction and say your your GM, your assistant GM. They're
worried that, hey, if Bill comes in, we're gonna lose
(26:01):
our jobs. I get you on that, and that's fine.
Like if you want to bring in a new GM
and you want to bring in a new head coach,
of course those guys are gone and you shouldn't let
their feelings get in the way of you doing what's
best for the franchise. What I'm saying is Bill Belichick
needs to just be coaching. What in the world would
(26:24):
I did I see in New England the last five
years to make me think otherwise?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I just I can't get with a team Chris, with
an organization that is afraid to hurt people's feelings when
you don't win.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
That That's that's all. I hear your point on Bill.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You want are you you want to give him control?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
He's gonna have some say I'm not saying total control.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
No, not total, no.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Way that he's not gonna have Every coach has something
and that you should get the requisite amount of say
but I'm not but but I'm not coming in there
with the same old guys who've been in Atlanta for
fifteen years and nothing's work.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I don't those guys, Chris.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
If you want to go out and hire a new
general manager and move some people around and go bring
in some some new talent or new eyes or whatever,
that's fine. But to just state of status quo and
bring in Raheem Morris because he he doesn't he won't be.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Young because he's just gonna coach football. That's wrong with that.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I'm because coaching because it's bigger than that, because there's
other issues with that organization, the picking up player.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Actually they do have a lot of talent. Ron the
front office is actually put a let together a nice team.
They don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
That's I mean, I'm I'm like, I would like to
know your thoughts on Bill Belichick. I just don't hire
him as I would hire him, and I would give
him he would have some say not as some say no,
but I'll be the coach or ready be the coach
last GM.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
No, that's not what I said. I said he would
be the coach, but he of course would have say
and doesn't have any say, right, So that's what you're hiring.
Was Just so ubber Beard didn't say Bill Belichick said,
if I'm not the GM and bottle washer, I'm not coming.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
That's not what That's not what he reported. What he said.
I agree with you on the people. That's fine.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I mean, I don't think that's the conversation. The conversation
is Bill Belichick to.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Me, and I'm not if I'm not any.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
No franchise in the NFL should give him control of
football operations. Bill, you're a great coach, but come here
and coach. But of course we're all together. We have
to work together, and I want to hear your thoughts
on these players. But I'm just saying the GM or
(28:56):
the president, however they line up their organization, should have
the final say.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
They shouldn't have to cower and cow tew to Belichick
like like he had it in New England. That's all
I'm saying. I agree with you on your your philosophy.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
I just think this, this is why certain teams don't win.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
A few years ago around not like they've been. I mean,
they haven't been a great franchise, but let's not act
like they've been.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Just the all I'm saying is all I'm saying, is
their teams and law, but you can't be afraid to
make changes.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
That's that's all I'm Chris. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I don't think anybody would disagree.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
No way, Bill Belichick is coming there where he won't
have any say wow.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Do you know you don't think Raheem Morris gonna have
any say.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
I don't think he'll have any kind of say that
Bill Belichick not a guy with six.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Let's see how Bill Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Let's see where his next job is, all right, and
we'll see how Raheem Morris does with the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
We'll see how.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm just.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Trophy. They made the right decision.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Of course, the coach should be able to sit there
and be like, these are the guys. I like, this
is why I like him. I would pick him. I
think we should pick him. Of course, you just don't
have the final say. That's all I'm saying. And I
think you know, I think they'd be.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Willing to give Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Some say because he's the head coach, but you gotta
be able to work with others.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah, but nobody says that he's not. I mean the
last SoundBite I heard from Bill was about.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
But you were about the only one that believed that
sound came out of his mouth. Fine, a lot of.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Stuffs come out of people's mouths. I didn't believe I
mean why I didn't believe it? And now, of course
it seems like he wanted more in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
So what happened to that? I just want to coach.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
No, I'm not so sure if that was it, or
if it was that Atlanta was so afraid to make
major changes.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Rob g jump in, Well, I got a question for you, Rob,
because you you're very upset, and I understand about the
idea that Atlanta just didn't feel comfortable cleaning house because
they have, you know, familiarity in the building they want
to let go of it. Raheem Morris coached in Atlanta
from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty. Do you believe in
just without no source, in just your opinion, that because
(31:24):
they're already familiar with him in the building, that was
one of the driving forces to why.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Probably they know him and yeah, they know him, and
they know he's not going to be an overbearing guy
who's going to flex his muscles and tell you to
your The people in the front office.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
You don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
You guys have never won here. I'm trying to tell
you what I bring to the table. And I've won.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
And I didn't just win six championships in New England.
I won two Super Bowls in New York and I
did that.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I'm just saying, you can go anybody as a coordinator.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Is going, yeah, but I'm just saying, those are the
things that maybe they don't want to deal with.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Rob g That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Is that because Chris is saying, of course Bill's gonna
have some some say what's the problem, what's the.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Problem, what's the problem?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I'm saying I would not turn over full say final
say to Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Because, I mean, Bill Belichick didn't do a good job
in New England the last few once time Brady left,
he didn't do a good job. And with final say, so,
why in the world would I give him final say?
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Now, that's all the people in Atlanta haven't done anything.
That's why they got some good talent. That's why they
got a.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
New in a quarterback. And maybe we'll see I mean
didn't have didn't they draft a lot of teams messed
up at quarterback, That's what I'm saying. So, but I'm
just saying, like they that that's what they need, and
we'll see that. You know how well Morris does the
rob I mean, are they gonna go get Justin Fields,
(33:08):
Are they gonna go get Kirk Cousins like all?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
That remains to be seen.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
But I don't fault them for just wanting Bill Belichick
to be the coach. Of course, you get say like
other coaches, but you're not coming in here and just
taking control of the organization. Now, if it was somebody else,
maybe much younger maybe, but not not Belichick now,
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