January 29, 2024 • 35 mins
Chris and Rob discuss Dan Campbell's hyper-aggressive playcalling and tell us if his insistence to always 'go for it' could wind up costing him his job as the Detroit Lions head coach and explain why they were so disappointed in Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens following their loss to the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC Championship. Plus, former MLB pitcher - and father of Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes - Pat Mahomes Sr. swings by to discuss his son's path to superstardom, why he had a bone to pick with Broussard for picking against the Chiefs the last two weeks, what we should expect from Patrick in the Super Bowl and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
The Detroit Lions oh so close to their first ever
Super Bowl appearance. They jump out to a hugely twenty
four to seven halftime lead over the San Francisco forty
nine ers, but instead of closing it out, they actually
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become the victims drop of the greatest comeback in the
history of the.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
NFC Championship Game.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
They lose thirty four thirty one to the Detroit Lions,
and a lot of people are looking at coach Dan
Campbell rob he made a livingess. We really since he's
been with Detroit going forward, on fourth downs, he's got
the most this season. At least, he's got the most
where they went for it on fourth and three or
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less in the league. He's got the most conversions to
you know where they were successful, but he went twice
Rob in this game instead of kicking field goals and
they failed to get the fourth downs. And then also
had a running play, you know at the end of
the game where they ran it at the goal line,
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which essentially meant they had to kick doing on side kick.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
And yeah, but he had to burn the time in
side kick.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, you had to burn the time out and do
the on side kick, which you never get those, you know,
in today's NFL. It's just almost impossible. And that's what happened.
They didn't get the inside kick and that was the
ball game.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But what are your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
On the Lions and what Dan Campbell those calls, because
that's really been the story today.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
And Chris, on Friday I mentioned this. I said, Dan
Campbell coach like this where he had lost some games.
We talked about it before. He's a gambler, he likes
to gamble. But I'm gonna tell you this, and I said,
we'll wait and see Rob gu I wish we could
find the tape, but I said that this guy has
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done this and we'll see if it cost the Lions.
I said this on Friday, and Chris, Dan Campbell cost
the Lions.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna call him Dan Choke for today.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
You think he cost them the game. I think he
cost them the game. And I'm gonna tell you why
it's not about. First of all, people are saying this
is his aggressiveness is who he is. That's why the
Lions are who they are, and he can't change what
he's done. If that was really the case, Chris, at
the end of the first half, he would have gone
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for the juggular when he was there.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
What do you do? It was a smart move.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
But that's what I'm telling you is that he in
that moment understood what what it meant where you were
in that game, Chris, right.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
To go for the field goal.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Now here's why I have a problem with him not
taking points. You were in the midst of being trounced
twenty seven to nothing.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You needed points, Chris.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You're talking about the fourth and three with about seven
minutes left.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
No, both of them. There was one, right, the.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
First one early on they were trouncing No, but remember
they had a chance to go up seventeen early.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Right, that's the one I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
After San Francisco came out scored Chris, to make it
twenty four to ten.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Right, so it's a two score game.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
They drive right after that, they could have put three
points up, and now that's a three score game.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
There's a big difference between.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
You know, this two score and three score in the
second half. It's a huge defense rode with the way
they run the ball and we're running. Thank you, Chris,
didy ate up more clock. You start counting possessions, You
count possessions.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You'd say San Francisco's gonna score it three times and
they can't, Like you can't. Not only they have to
hold the Lions the whole way and then score three
times just to beat you, like the degree of difficulty
is too big. So so he didn't go for it
the first time. So that tells you that his mindset
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was different. Then after they had a chance to go
up three scores, he passes on that. Now, Chris, with
seven minutes to go, you have a chance to tie
the game. Yep, you've been shut out twenty seven to nothing.
You have a chance to put points on the board. Chris,
tie the game, and then that.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Changes in momentum. You tie San fran has been rolling.
You tie the game. Now, it's like, you.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Can't anybody's game, right, bron Pertty could throw it, pick six, taken, fumble, Chris, like,
all kinds of things can happen. So when he did
all of this, and you know the Lions history, trust me,
I got texas from football players, former Lions and whatnot, like, okay,
they've been lyonized finally, okay. And for this was so
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cruel to Lions fans because Chris twenty four to seven
at the half. People were calling Las Vegas making their
playing reservation. Oh my god, the lines are going to
the super Bowl. It was gonna take a colossal collapse
by the Lions for this not to happen. And Dan
Campbell fed into it. And I'm not talking about people
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talking about, well, they fumbled the ball, they missed some passes.
That's football, Chris. They're going to be fumbles. People are
gonna drop the ball. We could sit here all day
on every single game about a player fumbling and then
somebody pass. But you're when you're a coach in no circumstances,
you have to read the game, read the room. You're
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giving up twenty seven straight points, you're trying to have
a three score advantage with the clock ticking. That's where
he let them down. That's why I say it was
a choke job. It was Dan Campbell in the biggest moment,
on the biggest stage, with the brightest lights. He choked
down the game. He failed the Lions, he failed the city.
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I know people don't want to hear that today, and oh,
look at where they are.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
And all that.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I'll get them my point where you I disagree.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
And I'll say this is fireable. The performance that he
put up.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Chris, I'm gonna go back to one other thing, one
last thing, and then I'll let you go. It's just
like what we saw last year with Brandon Staley when
they lost a twenty seven nothing lead.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
I'm just just hear me out Brandon Staley.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
At that point a year ago, Chris, when they were
up twenty seven nothing in the playoffs, you would have
thought this guy is good to go for years to come.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
And guess what, now did they lose that playoff game.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
He continued to do that stuff the next season, right,
and then they didn't make the playoffs and now he's
out of a job.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
You can't keep coaching like this, That's all I'm gonna tell.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
You no way Dan Campbell should be fired. That is ridiculous.
I mean he he brought this team.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You say, let Lions fans down, Well, they wouldn't even
be here without Dan Campbell. That dude led them to
the first NFC championship game in thirty three years. Thirty
two years, and you want to fire him.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Heck, gnaw, twelve and five. They haven't.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
They haven't had a record that good since they went
to the last conference championship in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You're right, they won eleven and six. They went twelve
four years.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
No, that ain't twelve and five, and that ain't getting
to the conferen championship.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I look, I think he made mistakes.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I think the three things we talked about running it
at the end of the game on the goal line. Look,
I think they were the game. They were gonna win
that game at that point. But still it was a bag.
But it took away your any chance really that you
had of winning it.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
The field.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I agree with both of the field goals that he
should have just taken the points.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
You and I have talked about that before.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The playoffs is different, and he definitely should have went
for the tie.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
How do you knock on there's a lot of time left,
you would have momentum. Now San Francisco ran down and
scored on the.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Next possession, but still it's still a different game. I
personally think the Niners were the better team. They came
out sleepwalking, the the Lions jumped on them. But the
I think, regardless of what Dan Campbell would have done,
I think the Niners would have won that game. Of
course we don't know, but I think they would have
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won it anyway because they were the better team and
they started balling out in the second half. But no,
I'm with you and saying he made the wrong moves.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I'm with you and.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Saying he has got to find that happy medium between
being going forward on fourth downs, because that was that's
been successful for them, It's worked a lot, but also
you've got to settle down and sometimes take the points.
Rob it was the same thing against Dallas. Now that
was the regular season, but when he went, yeah, he
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went for two, and every freaking at the seven yard
line after the penalties, he goes for two instead of
kicking the extra points. So I'm with you, but there's
no way that I am even contemplating firing Dan Campbell.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Jan Campbell.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Let the forty nine ers off the hook, and he
also Chris, he said this to his players after the game,
and he's spot on that this might have been our
only chance and this was the Lion's chance. If you
think the Lions are going back to the NFC Championship game,
are gonna be on the cusp of a Super Bowl
up twenty four to seven on the road again, you're
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kidding yourself.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Well, they may not be up twenty four seconds.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I'm just saying I don't know that they'll get there
next I'm just saying it is a tough.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Road when you're there and you can't and you can't
let that go by. You just can't because it's you
have to read the situation. And what he didn't do, Chris,
was the momentum factor. Just what you were talking about,
like there was a they would get it. They gave
up twenty seven straight points. You have to stop the bleeding,
take the field goals. What what are you doing? What
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are you trying to prove in this situation? I thought
he choked in a big spot and the Lions will
this will haunt them. This is one of the biggest collapses,
and NFL it's the biggest.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
NFC is the biggest comeback or what what what would
the opposite be of the comeback give away whatever in
the NFC title game history, So it's huge were I
The only place I disagree with you on is that
I don't think they cost them the game because I
think they were gonna lose anyway.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And two, I there's no way I think you should
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is probably a disappointed, heartbroken that the Ravens, one of
the teams he played for back in the day, got
beaten on Sunday and ended what looked rob like it
was going to be a magical season. And I am so,
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so so disappointed in the Ravens. And I don't mean
just because they lost.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
No, I get it.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
There's no I didn't recognize that team. Thank you. I'm
with you.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Chris on this.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
If you're gonna lose, lose, go out the way you
go out right. If I'm Steph Curry, I'm gonna lose
shooting threes, I'm not gonna lose driving to the.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Bathroom getting blocked up exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I didn't John Harball.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
He doubled down and defended it, Chris, But what game
plan that was made no sense. I saw a stat
when they rushed the ball twenty five times or more,
fourteen to one, sixteen rushes, Chris what what?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
They averaged thirty two in the regular season, which led
the league. They were the best rushing.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Team in the NFTA.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Rob, I think when Kansas City, to its credit, when
they marched down the field on those two opening drives.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
That was shocking. I mean, I was stunned.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Can you can imagine how the Ravens felt, Rob. They
had bullied Detroit, they had bullied both of the teams
that were playing after them, Detroit and San Francisco, and
here they are getting pushed all over the field, and
I think their coaching staff said, we're not gonna stop them.
We gotta We're gonna have to win a shootout, and
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they abandoned the run.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It was you're only down a touchdown. They abandoned the
rush seven to seven, Chris Well, and then well, and
then you know, Kansas City marched down and scored again.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So it was fourteen.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
So I'm just saying, but they that was way to
or LINGA defense figured things out.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I pitched the shutout of the second half, yep.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And so that was the first thing, Rob is I
think they completely lost their identity because they were panicked because, oh,
here comes the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
There, it's gonna be a shootout. We gotta start scoring.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Secondly, Rob, I thought they while the Chiefs showed championship character,
I thought the Ravens showed the character of bullies because
it was like they had bullied everybody. We talked about
it all, you know, week. They bullied the best teams
in the league. It was ridiculous what they were doing.
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And when they realized, in my view, that they couldn't
do that to the Chiefs, that in fact they were
the ones getting pushed around, it was like they said, Okay,
we're not gonna beat you on the field, but we're
gonna beat you with some dirty shots. And they have
five fifteen yard penalties rough in the past.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
He'll killed you.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
On the field goal that Kansas City got to make
it seventeen to seven, two fifteen yard penalties rough in
the past. Well one Kyvin noy Head budded Travis Kelce,
another Travis Jones closed line Mahomes that was thirty yards
in penalties on a drive that ended in a fifty
two yard field goal for.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
No field goal.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Get the field goal exactly exactly, and then Finally, Rob,
and I ain't even mentioned Jadavin Clowney, you know, get
putting his helmet all up in in Mahomes on the
ground and all that. But Rob, the thing that bothered
me the most. Kansas City won the game. I'm not
taking anything away from them. They played well, but it
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was there for the takings. Look, I do think the
way Mahomes has been playing, he would have led a
drive or done something where they probably get to win.
But beyond that, Rob Zayflowers, who is a great young
player and I like him a lot. But Rob, after
that fifty four yard reception puts them on the ten
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yard line late in the third quarter, he gets a
taunting penalty that takes fifteen yards drives them back to
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Why are you taunting?
Speaker 5 (16:28):
It makes no sense? And it makes absolutely no sense.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I would look, the rule is bad, but still you're
down ten, that's your butts kicked by and you talk,
what are you talking about? That's like if I'm in
a fight somebody's destroyed me and I lay in a
jab and I start, I see I got you. No
come on that, Rob, I think I think if they
if he doesn't taunt, I think they score by the
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end of the third quarter and for the seconds now.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Three going into the.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
There's no doubt about it, Chris, and and I and
I and I'm with you on this that I didn't
recognize that team.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I did not.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
That's not the team that we've seen all year beat
all these playoff teams by twenty what was it twenty
three points.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Or more or whateverage about twenty two, three.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Twenty two or twenty three.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
The defense, Chris, the defense gave up sixteen and a
half points.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
They gave up seventeen.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
They were right where you know what I mean, They
got it corrected, and they give up seventeen points in
a playoff game.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
That's a win.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
We averaged I mean, Ravens, it averaged thirty four over
the last eleven games.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Right, And that's what I'm saying. In seventeen you look
like you can't come back from that. But the mistakes
and the and the penalties and and John Harbaugh like
panicking and giving up right away for them. And I
told you about it. The you said they averaged thirty
two rushes, sixteen rushes, Chris, this wasn't.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
A way rive.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
They averaged more than five yards of carrier on their rushes.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Right, it didn't even make it. It makes no sense.
It would have been like totally like if.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Anybody had the right to freaking panic, it was the
forty nine ers you want to be talking about Chris
being pushed around on the field twenty four to seven.
The Lions were having their way with them. They couldn't
do what. They couldn't stop the Lions. I texted some friends, Chris,
I'm like, the game is over. If the Lions continue
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to run the ball and don't do anything stupid, right,
they're gonna win this game that the forty nine ers
could not stop the Lions.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You and I both picked the Niners. I was pulling
for him to win. I thought it was over. Didn't
you like, you're not coming back from twenty four to seven?
I really thought not the way it all right, they
got a chance. But yeah, I mean, I think everybody
but the Niners thought that thing was probably over. Another
thing is this rob and Lamar. He's gonna get some heat.
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You know that he's going out to win his second MVP.
And yes, he played terrifically last week, but he was
bad yesterday.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
The stats don't look as bad as he was.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
It was a critical turn on those costs him throwing
in the triple coverage.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
You can't do that, absolutely, Rob.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That was a field goal waiting at least at the
three five yard line. But here's the thing, Rob, and
we all know Lamar has improved as a passer and
he's a very good pastor now, but he ain't Patrick Mahomes,
he ain't Tom Brady. He's not about to sit in
the pocket and dissect most teams just as a pocket passer.
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When he gets degree, Rob, he's forgotten like what he
does best. And I don't think he runs now as
much to take it to the house as he used to.
He runs like a typical quarterback now. I don't mean
his ability to get out of trouble right Like, yeah,
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I guess the last resort where he's looking to slide,
you know, as soon as I can get a slide, Rob,
I thought that twenty yard or where he broke in
the first quarter where they went for one and fourth down.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
And now, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
If he could have pulled away from Lugerius sneak, but
I feel like a few years ago he would have
tried to take that thing to the house. But on
this one he's looking back at Sneak kinda you know,
almost somewhat waiting for him. Almost yeah, And it was
like Lamar like, just keep going. Yes, he's gotta understand, Yes,
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as much as well as you throw the ball. Now,
you have a talent and a gift and an ability
that no one else in the league really has, and
so you have to use it still. And he's got
a fine Rob to me that happy medium between yes,
I'm a pocket pass and I'm looking to throw, but
I also am gonna use my eggs, you know, to
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my event like Josh Allen does that. And he he
because Rob, like I thought a lot of those plays
where Lamar extended and he you know, got away from
the past rush, but he's looking for a pass instead
of just going.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
And you know what's funny is that Rock Party made
a couple of key runs Chris where where he.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Was it was all right, No, he's gonna get hurt
out there. But but you know what I'm saying, Like
he saw it was open and it killed the Lions.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
They were backbreak.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I mean Purdy was running for every last yard he
can get and Lamar is not doing that like he
used to. And so I just thought, Rob, if I'm again,
I'm not gonna take any credit away from the Chiefs,
but they the Ravens is terrible to get beat when
you don't play your.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Game right, you get beat.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
If the if the Chiefs come out there and they
catch you on a night, Chris and beat you. I
just John Horball questioned the game plan if you know what.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I wonder if that was the game. I wonder if
it switched through and I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
But.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Two carries to sixteen crying up, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
That don't make any sense. Not what It's much time
that was left in that game.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
You can't do that. It's fourteen to seven, my god.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Really, and they're not Look the Chiefs, you know they
they were stuffing to run occasionally, but obviously the Ravers
were also getting some big runs. Gus Edwards had like
a fifteen yard run and then in the first quarter
Rock then doesn't touch the ball the rest of the
half on a carry like that makes no sense, No,
and they should have. You're absolutely right because the defense
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got it together.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
The last eight possessions for the Chiefs outside of that,
even the last one ended on downs. But take away
that last.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
One where they ended up, you know, running out the clock.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Those the eight previous persons. The Ravens held them to
a field goal.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
That's that's that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
The serious they could have run on the I think
they could have, but they should have at least tried.
The Chiefs defense is legit, but still they didn't even
try to run on them for the most part.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And that's just I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That is Eric Manngini said on our show The First Things,
First to Day Rob, he thinks Ego got.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
To the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
But see how we're gonna show you. We're gonna show
you we can win with the past. You think Lamar
can only run and all that stuff, and.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
That stuff happens. I think I told you this before
I covered a Lion's Jets game the last game of
the season, Chris, the Jets needed to win the game
to get into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Right.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
This was in Detroit at the Old Silver Dome and
Bill Parcells was the coach of the Jets and they
were at the one yard line. Chris, I think Neil
o'donnald was the quarterback. Whatever, right, they need a touchdown,
They need to just to get in right to get
their playoffs. On first down, Chris, they have a quarter
a halfback option with a rookie with a rookie running
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back who throws the ball into the end zone Chris,
for what you'll for an interception?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
And they lost the game. And I thought that, but
that was ego. I'm gonna show you on the smartest guy.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
You're at the.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
One yard line, first down, run the ball in what
are you Carroll?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Bet Carroll ego? That's ego, Chris. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And that's where I really get upset because if that's
the coach's ego. And I think this was coaches and players,
but if it's just the coach, then you you put
you know, you may have cost and you might look
at Dan Campbell that way, but you may have cost
fifty three players chance to advance.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
And so yeah, it that's tough.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And Rob you said it with the Lions, and look,
the Ravens are always good.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
They're certainly gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Be but they've been permendial, right, but you never know, right,
it's hard to get back. Man.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
We talk about it all the time. We talk about it.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
If you would have.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Told me Aaron Rodgers wouldn't get back. Wouldn't have believed
if you would have told me, Chris, after Dann Marino
through fifty touchdowns his second year, that Miami would never
get back, if you would have told me that Larry
Fitzgerald never got back.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
But they went to the Super Bowl one time.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
On the all time great receivers who I could go
on and on as a ton of players. We don't
even have enough radio time, Chris to list all the
players who didn't get a chance to go back out.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And rob next year in the AFS. Obviously, Kansas City's
not going anywhere. Cincinnati's should be Joe Burrow would be healthy, right,
the Chargers should be better.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Houston may be better.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
That's what I'm saying, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Obviously, the AFC North is if Deshaun Watson rob, if
he comes back playing, well, Cleveland's gonna be a handful.
You know, who knows about Buffalo. I mean it just
it's gonna be tough. This was a year that they
had it clicking and you had him at home. Now
you can't you blew it playing the way you don't even.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Play right, That's the that's the worst part. Of it.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
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Speaker 1 (26:25):
Then, our next guest is a former Major League baseball
pitcher and his son is a pretty good football player.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
We welcome in Patrick Mahomes Senior.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Patrick, what's happening?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
What's up? Many? I know I'm here.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
I know you. I know you would be here.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Hey, I saw you enjoying that win and celebrating and
puffing on a big cigar.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I don't blame you.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
What a what another historic run by the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Oh yeah, man, I mean you know that boy. You know,
like I told y'all times I've been on here before.
I told y'all you know, he's different. So he's a
little bit different. The big win was great and get
to celebrated with him on the field.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
You know was off, did you?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I mean this was a tough regular season, probably the
toughest regular they.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Finished five and five the last ten.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, and how confident were you?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I mean, he's your son, You've seen you know what
he can do, so maybe you never doubt it, but
you know how surprised, do you. I guess that they've
gotten to the super Bowl despite their struggles in the
regular season. They seem to just turn it, like flip
the switch once the playoffs started.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Well, so, Chris, you know I watch you every day
on on speed, I mean on first first.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yeah, I watched you every day on first thing first.
And I know you're the one that said that from
the beginning that he was Jordan that, yes, And hey,
I'm I'm gonna pip that with you. I know, I
know Nikkasu the resident chief fan all that, I'm gonna
(28:10):
give you the credit for that.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
I don't doubt anything that he does. I mean, I've
known from, like I said, since he was four years old.
I knew it was something different. He was something special.
I didn't think it was gonna be football. Uh, to
be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
But was he We know he played basketball and baseball.
He was really good. Was football his best sport?
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Now? Basketball probably was his best sport? But yeah, But
but one thing about it is I talked to him
every week before the game, and I normally call him
on Wednesday or Thursday. Hey, what the game plan looked? Like,
you know, we're good this week? What we gonna do?
(29:00):
And he told me, he said, and we're gonna handle
them boys. He said, we got him. I said, really,
I said, because I don't see how y'all gonna win.
But you know, I ain't gonna never doubt you. But
he told me, he said, we're good. He said, the
line blocks like they blocked last week against Buffalo, then
(29:21):
we're good. And I'm gonna ride with it. I'm gonna
ride with it with whatever he says. And he felt
very comfident going to the game. So I felt very
comfident going to that game, knowing that they had a
game plan that they were gonna put in here and
that they were gonna win that game.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
All right.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
And before we get on, I know Chris is taking
his bows for being Jordan ast but I just want
you to know Patrick, he didn't pick He didn't pick
the Chiefs the last two years. So I just want
you to know he wasn't as confident as you were
in Patrick's ability and all the great stuff that he's done.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Let me ask you about this.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
He watching first thing, right, I know, I'm just saying
the last two years, you didn't pick up.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
You didn't pick them the last two years.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
But the defense, my god, I mean, the defense has
turned around for this team. He hasn't always had a
great defense, uh, but this defense has been pretty amazing.
How important is it when when you're a quarterback and
we saw that some of the receivers not be as
good this year, dropped and all that, But if you
have a defense, it means a lot in the NFL,
(30:25):
doesn't it.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Yes, it does. Rob And that's the thing about Patrick
has never had a defense. From high school through Texas Tech,
through the Chiefs, he never had a defense and he
has won this year. And so the whole time that
they were going through there, I said, is damn, you
(30:48):
got a good defense. You got a good defense, and
you're gonna be all right. I know that. You know,
we had a lot of drops during the season, We
had a lot of stuff going on. But I knew
if if he got a ticket into the playoffs, then
he was gonna be okay. I said, long as we
catch the ball, as long as the line blocks like
(31:10):
they block. I don't playoff Patrick, you know, I know,
playoff Patrick. He was born you know to do the
things that he that he did I actually picked out
his mom. I said, hey, I'm gonna make a baby
with you, and we're gonna make this guy, you know, Periopoly.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Are you serious? You picked her out of him? Like, okay,
we're gonna have a great great quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Yes, yes I did. I met I met her actually
at a at a at a liquor store in Kilboar,
which is a small town right here by Tyler, and
I talked to her and I said, hey, I want
to have a baby with you. I'm gonna make a star.
I want to make a star. And we made a star.
(32:02):
And he's done everything that a father could ask. I mean,
he was the easiest to raise. I mean, he was
what he is, I mean, and I prepped him in
and I tried to do all the things I could
to do to let him know what the experience is
going to be like to be a professional athlete. And
(32:26):
he took it and he ran with it. He saw
how the guys prepared every day at the field. He
saw the best of the best, Alice Rodrigers, the Derek Cheters,
he saw them what they did to prepare every week
to be the best that they could be, and he
(32:48):
just took it. And ran with it.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Now, let me ask you one other thing. Obviously, you saw.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
The Lions game and the.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Way they that game down.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
What did you just I just want to get a
feel for just watching that or just seeing how that
played out.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
How shocked were.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
You that they gave up a twenty four to seven
lead and should have been in the super Bowl against
Mahomes and the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Well, I mean it's sports. I mean, you know, if
you've never been in that situation before, you know, it's
got to be kind of hard. I mean, I think
Dan Campbell's done a hell of a job with the
line and that team and everything. But you know, players
(33:34):
make plays. That's always yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
But those field goals, those field goals got to be
made Patrick, right, No.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Well, I think you would take them. But I mean
I'm not in these shoes. I mean, he has a
lot of confidence in his team. He figures as they
can make those plays when they need to make those plays,
and unfortunately have always dropped. I mean, some other stuff
(34:01):
happened and it looks bad down, but I can't follow
the coach for having confidence in his team to come
through in those moments. It's the same thing with Patrick
and all them. I mean I talked to him after
the game was over. We was down on the field
and I said, I said, damn son, I said, second half.
(34:26):
I mean, what were y'all doing? I mean, why weren't
y'all still playing the game? He said, Dad, way, the
defense was playing. He goes, I was just going to
make sure I didn't make any mistakes because they were
doing their thing, and I'm letting them do their thing,
and I'm good, and so I understand that. I mean,
he's gonna do whatever it takes to win. I think
(34:49):
Dan Campbell had in his mind that he's gonna do
whatever he could to make his team win. He had
a lot of confidence in his guys, and sometimes it
don't work out. Some times that don't and then you
look like, you know, jackass, if you go back every
wind and look at it. But yeah, I think he
(35:11):
was doing what was in the best interest of his team.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
All right, Thank you very We always appreciate you, you
know that.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Absolutely, And congratulations on all your family success.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
For sure, we're luck in the super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Hey, thank you very much. I'm gonna see y'all up
there Radio.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Row that's right, come by and say hello.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
You know that.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Yeah, I'm definitely gonna do that, but I'm gonna tell Chris.
I'm gonna tell Chris right now. Per Thanks for all that.
Don't ever doubt that that song gone they wear one
time my lesson.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
That's right, believe me, all right, Appreciate, we appreciate it all.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Appreciate y'all
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
The Detroit Lions oh so close to their first ever
Super Bowl appearance. They jump out to a hugely twenty
four to seven halftime lead over the San Francisco forty
nine ers, but instead of closing it out, they actually
(00:52):
become the victims drop of the greatest comeback in the
history of the.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
NFC Championship Game.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
They lose thirty four thirty one to the Detroit Lions,
and a lot of people are looking at coach Dan
Campbell rob he made a livingess. We really since he's
been with Detroit going forward, on fourth downs, he's got
the most this season. At least, he's got the most
where they went for it on fourth and three or
(01:21):
less in the league. He's got the most conversions to
you know where they were successful, but he went twice
Rob in this game instead of kicking field goals and
they failed to get the fourth downs. And then also
had a running play, you know at the end of
the game where they ran it at the goal line,
(01:44):
which essentially meant they had to kick doing on side kick.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
And yeah, but he had to burn the time in
side kick.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, you had to burn the time out and do
the on side kick, which you never get those, you know,
in today's NFL. It's just almost impossible. And that's what happened.
They didn't get the inside kick and that was the
ball game.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But what are your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
On the Lions and what Dan Campbell those calls, because
that's really been the story today.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
And Chris, on Friday I mentioned this. I said, Dan
Campbell coach like this where he had lost some games.
We talked about it before. He's a gambler, he likes
to gamble. But I'm gonna tell you this, and I said,
we'll wait and see Rob gu I wish we could
find the tape, but I said that this guy has
(02:32):
done this and we'll see if it cost the Lions.
I said this on Friday, and Chris, Dan Campbell cost
the Lions.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna call him Dan Choke for today.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
You think he cost them the game. I think he
cost them the game. And I'm gonna tell you why
it's not about. First of all, people are saying this
is his aggressiveness is who he is. That's why the
Lions are who they are, and he can't change what
he's done. If that was really the case, Chris, at
the end of the first half, he would have gone
(03:03):
for the juggular when he was there.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
What do you do? It was a smart move.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
But that's what I'm telling you is that he in
that moment understood what what it meant where you were
in that game, Chris, right.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
To go for the field goal.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Now here's why I have a problem with him not
taking points. You were in the midst of being trounced
twenty seven to nothing.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You needed points, Chris.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You're talking about the fourth and three with about seven
minutes left.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
No, both of them. There was one, right, the.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
First one early on they were trouncing No, but remember
they had a chance to go up seventeen early.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Right, that's the one I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
After San Francisco came out scored Chris, to make it
twenty four to ten.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Right, so it's a two score game.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
They drive right after that, they could have put three
points up, and now that's a three score game.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
There's a big difference between.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
You know, this two score and three score in the
second half. It's a huge defense rode with the way
they run the ball and we're running. Thank you, Chris,
didy ate up more clock. You start counting possessions, You
count possessions.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You'd say San Francisco's gonna score it three times and
they can't, Like you can't. Not only they have to
hold the Lions the whole way and then score three
times just to beat you, like the degree of difficulty
is too big. So so he didn't go for it
the first time. So that tells you that his mindset
(04:36):
was different. Then after they had a chance to go
up three scores, he passes on that. Now, Chris, with
seven minutes to go, you have a chance to tie
the game. Yep, you've been shut out twenty seven to nothing.
You have a chance to put points on the board. Chris,
tie the game, and then that.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Changes in momentum. You tie San fran has been rolling.
You tie the game. Now, it's like, you.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Can't anybody's game, right, bron Pertty could throw it, pick six, taken, fumble, Chris, like,
all kinds of things can happen. So when he did
all of this, and you know the Lions history, trust me,
I got texas from football players, former Lions and whatnot, like, okay,
they've been lyonized finally, okay. And for this was so
(05:25):
cruel to Lions fans because Chris twenty four to seven
at the half. People were calling Las Vegas making their
playing reservation. Oh my god, the lines are going to
the super Bowl. It was gonna take a colossal collapse
by the Lions for this not to happen. And Dan
Campbell fed into it. And I'm not talking about people
(05:46):
talking about, well, they fumbled the ball, they missed some passes.
That's football, Chris. They're going to be fumbles. People are
gonna drop the ball. We could sit here all day
on every single game about a player fumbling and then
somebody pass. But you're when you're a coach in no circumstances,
you have to read the game, read the room. You're
(06:08):
giving up twenty seven straight points, you're trying to have
a three score advantage with the clock ticking. That's where
he let them down. That's why I say it was
a choke job. It was Dan Campbell in the biggest moment,
on the biggest stage, with the brightest lights. He choked
down the game. He failed the Lions, he failed the city.
(06:32):
I know people don't want to hear that today, and oh,
look at where they are.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
And all that.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I'll get them my point where you I disagree.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
And I'll say this is fireable. The performance that he
put up.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Chris, I'm gonna go back to one other thing, one
last thing, and then I'll let you go. It's just
like what we saw last year with Brandon Staley when
they lost a twenty seven nothing lead.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
I'm just just hear me out Brandon Staley.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
At that point a year ago, Chris, when they were
up twenty seven nothing in the playoffs, you would have
thought this guy is good to go for years to come.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
And guess what, now did they lose that playoff game.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
He continued to do that stuff the next season, right,
and then they didn't make the playoffs and now he's
out of a job.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
You can't keep coaching like this, That's all I'm gonna tell.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
You no way Dan Campbell should be fired. That is ridiculous.
I mean he he brought this team.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You say, let Lions fans down, Well, they wouldn't even
be here without Dan Campbell. That dude led them to
the first NFC championship game in thirty three years. Thirty
two years, and you want to fire him.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Heck, gnaw, twelve and five. They haven't.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
They haven't had a record that good since they went
to the last conference championship in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You're right, they won eleven and six. They went twelve
four years.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
No, that ain't twelve and five, and that ain't getting
to the conferen championship.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I look, I think he made mistakes.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I think the three things we talked about running it
at the end of the game on the goal line. Look,
I think they were the game. They were gonna win
that game at that point. But still it was a bag.
But it took away your any chance really that you
had of winning it.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
The field.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I agree with both of the field goals that he
should have just taken the points.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
You and I have talked about that before.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The playoffs is different, and he definitely should have went
for the tie.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
How do you knock on there's a lot of time left,
you would have momentum. Now San Francisco ran down and
scored on the.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Next possession, but still it's still a different game. I
personally think the Niners were the better team. They came
out sleepwalking, the the Lions jumped on them. But the
I think, regardless of what Dan Campbell would have done,
I think the Niners would have won that game. Of
course we don't know, but I think they would have
(08:58):
won it anyway because they were the better team and
they started balling out in the second half. But no,
I'm with you and saying he made the wrong moves.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I'm with you and.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Saying he has got to find that happy medium between
being going forward on fourth downs, because that was that's
been successful for them, It's worked a lot, but also
you've got to settle down and sometimes take the points.
Rob it was the same thing against Dallas. Now that
was the regular season, but when he went, yeah, he
(09:32):
went for two, and every freaking at the seven yard
line after the penalties, he goes for two instead of
kicking the extra points. So I'm with you, but there's
no way that I am even contemplating firing Dan Campbell.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Jan Campbell.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Let the forty nine ers off the hook, and he
also Chris, he said this to his players after the game,
and he's spot on that this might have been our
only chance and this was the Lion's chance. If you
think the Lions are going back to the NFC Championship game,
are gonna be on the cusp of a Super Bowl
up twenty four to seven on the road again, you're
(10:12):
kidding yourself.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Well, they may not be up twenty four seconds.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I'm just saying I don't know that they'll get there
next I'm just saying it is a tough.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Road when you're there and you can't and you can't
let that go by. You just can't because it's you
have to read the situation. And what he didn't do, Chris,
was the momentum factor. Just what you were talking about,
like there was a they would get it. They gave
up twenty seven straight points. You have to stop the bleeding,
take the field goals. What what are you doing? What
(10:41):
are you trying to prove in this situation? I thought
he choked in a big spot and the Lions will
this will haunt them. This is one of the biggest collapses,
and NFL it's the biggest.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
NFC is the biggest comeback or what what what would
the opposite be of the comeback give away whatever in
the NFC title game history, So it's huge were I
The only place I disagree with you on is that
I don't think they cost them the game because I
think they were gonna lose anyway.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And two, I there's no way I think you should
be fine.
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Yeah, Rod Woods in the Hall of Fame defensive back
will join us at the bottom of the hour. He
is probably a disappointed, heartbroken that the Ravens, one of
the teams he played for back in the day, got
beaten on Sunday and ended what looked rob like it
was going to be a magical season. And I am so,
(12:33):
so so disappointed in the Ravens. And I don't mean
just because they lost.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
No, I get it.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
There's no I didn't recognize that team. Thank you. I'm
with you.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Chris on this.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
If you're gonna lose, lose, go out the way you
go out right. If I'm Steph Curry, I'm gonna lose
shooting threes, I'm not gonna lose driving to the.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Bathroom getting blocked up exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I didn't John Harball.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
He doubled down and defended it, Chris, But what game
plan that was made no sense. I saw a stat
when they rushed the ball twenty five times or more,
fourteen to one, sixteen rushes, Chris what what?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
They averaged thirty two in the regular season, which led
the league. They were the best rushing.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Team in the NFTA.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Rob, I think when Kansas City, to its credit, when
they marched down the field on those two opening drives.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
That was shocking. I mean, I was stunned.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Can you can imagine how the Ravens felt, Rob. They
had bullied Detroit, they had bullied both of the teams
that were playing after them, Detroit and San Francisco, and
here they are getting pushed all over the field, and
I think their coaching staff said, we're not gonna stop them.
We gotta We're gonna have to win a shootout, and
(13:52):
they abandoned the run.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It was you're only down a touchdown. They abandoned the
rush seven to seven, Chris Well, and then well, and
then you know, Kansas City marched down and scored again.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So it was fourteen.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
So I'm just saying, but they that was way to
or LINGA defense figured things out.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I pitched the shutout of the second half, yep.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And so that was the first thing, Rob is I
think they completely lost their identity because they were panicked because, oh,
here comes the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
There, it's gonna be a shootout. We gotta start scoring.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Secondly, Rob, I thought they while the Chiefs showed championship character,
I thought the Ravens showed the character of bullies because
it was like they had bullied everybody. We talked about
it all, you know, week. They bullied the best teams
in the league. It was ridiculous what they were doing.
(14:50):
And when they realized, in my view, that they couldn't
do that to the Chiefs, that in fact they were
the ones getting pushed around, it was like they said, Okay,
we're not gonna beat you on the field, but we're
gonna beat you with some dirty shots. And they have
five fifteen yard penalties rough in the past.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
He'll killed you.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
On the field goal that Kansas City got to make
it seventeen to seven, two fifteen yard penalties rough in
the past. Well one Kyvin noy Head budded Travis Kelce,
another Travis Jones closed line Mahomes that was thirty yards
in penalties on a drive that ended in a fifty
two yard field goal for.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
No field goal.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Get the field goal exactly exactly, and then Finally, Rob,
and I ain't even mentioned Jadavin Clowney, you know, get
putting his helmet all up in in Mahomes on the
ground and all that. But Rob, the thing that bothered
me the most. Kansas City won the game. I'm not
taking anything away from them. They played well, but it
(15:57):
was there for the takings. Look, I do think the
way Mahomes has been playing, he would have led a
drive or done something where they probably get to win.
But beyond that, Rob Zayflowers, who is a great young
player and I like him a lot. But Rob, after
that fifty four yard reception puts them on the ten
(16:19):
yard line late in the third quarter, he gets a
taunting penalty that takes fifteen yards drives them back to
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Why are you taunting?
Speaker 5 (16:28):
It makes no sense? And it makes absolutely no sense.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I would look, the rule is bad, but still you're
down ten, that's your butts kicked by and you talk,
what are you talking about? That's like if I'm in
a fight somebody's destroyed me and I lay in a
jab and I start, I see I got you. No
come on that, Rob, I think I think if they
if he doesn't taunt, I think they score by the
(16:55):
end of the third quarter and for the seconds now.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Three going into the.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
There's no doubt about it, Chris, and and I and
I and I'm with you on this that I didn't
recognize that team.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I did not.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
That's not the team that we've seen all year beat
all these playoff teams by twenty what was it twenty
three points.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Or more or whateverage about twenty two, three.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Twenty two or twenty three.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
The defense, Chris, the defense gave up sixteen and a
half points.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
They gave up seventeen.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
They were right where you know what I mean, They
got it corrected, and they give up seventeen points in
a playoff game.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
That's a win.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
We averaged I mean, Ravens, it averaged thirty four over
the last eleven games.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Right, And that's what I'm saying. In seventeen you look
like you can't come back from that. But the mistakes
and the and the penalties and and John Harbaugh like
panicking and giving up right away for them. And I
told you about it. The you said they averaged thirty
two rushes, sixteen rushes, Chris, this wasn't.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
A way rive.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
They averaged more than five yards of carrier on their rushes.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Right, it didn't even make it. It makes no sense.
It would have been like totally like if.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Anybody had the right to freaking panic, it was the
forty nine ers you want to be talking about Chris
being pushed around on the field twenty four to seven.
The Lions were having their way with them. They couldn't
do what. They couldn't stop the Lions. I texted some friends, Chris,
I'm like, the game is over. If the Lions continue
(18:27):
to run the ball and don't do anything stupid, right,
they're gonna win this game that the forty nine ers
could not stop the Lions.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You and I both picked the Niners. I was pulling
for him to win. I thought it was over. Didn't
you like, you're not coming back from twenty four to seven?
I really thought not the way it all right, they
got a chance. But yeah, I mean, I think everybody
but the Niners thought that thing was probably over. Another
thing is this rob and Lamar. He's gonna get some heat.
(18:59):
You know that he's going out to win his second MVP.
And yes, he played terrifically last week, but he was
bad yesterday.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
The stats don't look as bad as he was.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
It was a critical turn on those costs him throwing
in the triple coverage.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
You can't do that, absolutely, Rob.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That was a field goal waiting at least at the
three five yard line. But here's the thing, Rob, and
we all know Lamar has improved as a passer and
he's a very good pastor now, but he ain't Patrick Mahomes,
he ain't Tom Brady. He's not about to sit in
the pocket and dissect most teams just as a pocket passer.
(19:39):
When he gets degree, Rob, he's forgotten like what he
does best. And I don't think he runs now as
much to take it to the house as he used to.
He runs like a typical quarterback now. I don't mean
his ability to get out of trouble right Like, yeah,
(20:02):
I guess the last resort where he's looking to slide,
you know, as soon as I can get a slide, Rob,
I thought that twenty yard or where he broke in
the first quarter where they went for one and fourth down.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
And now, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
If he could have pulled away from Lugerius sneak, but
I feel like a few years ago he would have
tried to take that thing to the house. But on
this one he's looking back at Sneak kinda you know,
almost somewhat waiting for him. Almost yeah, And it was
like Lamar like, just keep going. Yes, he's gotta understand, Yes,
(20:38):
as much as well as you throw the ball. Now,
you have a talent and a gift and an ability
that no one else in the league really has, and
so you have to use it still. And he's got
a fine Rob to me that happy medium between yes,
I'm a pocket pass and I'm looking to throw, but
I also am gonna use my eggs, you know, to
(21:01):
my event like Josh Allen does that. And he he
because Rob, like I thought a lot of those plays
where Lamar extended and he you know, got away from
the past rush, but he's looking for a pass instead
of just going.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
And you know what's funny is that Rock Party made
a couple of key runs Chris where where he.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Was it was all right, No, he's gonna get hurt
out there. But but you know what I'm saying, Like
he saw it was open and it killed the Lions.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
They were backbreak.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I mean Purdy was running for every last yard he
can get and Lamar is not doing that like he
used to. And so I just thought, Rob, if I'm again,
I'm not gonna take any credit away from the Chiefs,
but they the Ravens is terrible to get beat when
you don't play your.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Game right, you get beat.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
If the if the Chiefs come out there and they
catch you on a night, Chris and beat you. I
just John Horball questioned the game plan if you know what.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I wonder if that was the game. I wonder if
it switched through and I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
But.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Two carries to sixteen crying up, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
That don't make any sense. Not what It's much time
that was left in that game.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
You can't do that. It's fourteen to seven, my god.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Really, and they're not Look the Chiefs, you know they
they were stuffing to run occasionally, but obviously the Ravers
were also getting some big runs. Gus Edwards had like
a fifteen yard run and then in the first quarter
Rock then doesn't touch the ball the rest of the
half on a carry like that makes no sense, No,
and they should have. You're absolutely right because the defense
(22:45):
got it together.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
The last eight possessions for the Chiefs outside of that,
even the last one ended on downs. But take away
that last.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
One where they ended up, you know, running out the clock.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Those the eight previous persons. The Ravens held them to
a field goal.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
That's that's that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
The serious they could have run on the I think
they could have, but they should have at least tried.
The Chiefs defense is legit, but still they didn't even
try to run on them for the most part.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And that's just I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That is Eric Manngini said on our show The First Things,
First to Day Rob, he thinks Ego got.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
To the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
But see how we're gonna show you. We're gonna show
you we can win with the past. You think Lamar
can only run and all that stuff, and.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
That stuff happens. I think I told you this before
I covered a Lion's Jets game the last game of
the season, Chris, the Jets needed to win the game
to get into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Right.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
This was in Detroit at the Old Silver Dome and
Bill Parcells was the coach of the Jets and they
were at the one yard line. Chris, I think Neil
o'donnald was the quarterback. Whatever, right, they need a touchdown,
They need to just to get in right to get
their playoffs. On first down, Chris, they have a quarter
a halfback option with a rookie with a rookie running
(24:10):
back who throws the ball into the end zone Chris,
for what you'll for an interception?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
And they lost the game. And I thought that, but
that was ego. I'm gonna show you on the smartest guy.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
You're at the.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
One yard line, first down, run the ball in what
are you Carroll?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Bet Carroll ego? That's ego, Chris. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And that's where I really get upset because if that's
the coach's ego. And I think this was coaches and players,
but if it's just the coach, then you you put
you know, you may have cost and you might look
at Dan Campbell that way, but you may have cost
fifty three players chance to advance.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
And so yeah, it that's tough.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And Rob you said it with the Lions, and look,
the Ravens are always good.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
They're certainly gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Be but they've been permendial, right, but you never know, right,
it's hard to get back. Man.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
We talk about it all the time. We talk about it.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
If you would have.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Told me Aaron Rodgers wouldn't get back. Wouldn't have believed
if you would have told me, Chris, after Dann Marino
through fifty touchdowns his second year, that Miami would never
get back, if you would have told me that Larry
Fitzgerald never got back.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
But they went to the Super Bowl one time.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
On the all time great receivers who I could go
on and on as a ton of players. We don't
even have enough radio time, Chris to list all the
players who didn't get a chance to go back out.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And rob next year in the AFS. Obviously, Kansas City's
not going anywhere. Cincinnati's should be Joe Burrow would be healthy, right,
the Chargers should be better.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Houston may be better.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
That's what I'm saying, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Obviously, the AFC North is if Deshaun Watson rob, if
he comes back playing, well, Cleveland's gonna be a handful.
You know, who knows about Buffalo. I mean it just
it's gonna be tough. This was a year that they
had it clicking and you had him at home. Now
you can't you blew it playing the way you don't even.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Play right, That's the that's the worst part. Of it.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
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Speaker 1 (26:25):
Then, our next guest is a former Major League baseball
pitcher and his son is a pretty good football player.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
We welcome in Patrick Mahomes Senior.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Patrick, what's happening?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
What's up? Many? I know I'm here.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
I know you. I know you would be here.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Hey, I saw you enjoying that win and celebrating and
puffing on a big cigar.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I don't blame you.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
What a what another historic run by the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Oh yeah, man, I mean you know that boy. You know,
like I told y'all times I've been on here before.
I told y'all you know, he's different. So he's a
little bit different. The big win was great and get
to celebrated with him on the field.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
You know was off, did you?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I mean this was a tough regular season, probably the
toughest regular they.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Finished five and five the last ten.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, and how confident were you?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I mean, he's your son, You've seen you know what
he can do, so maybe you never doubt it, but
you know how surprised, do you. I guess that they've
gotten to the super Bowl despite their struggles in the
regular season. They seem to just turn it, like flip
the switch once the playoffs started.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Well, so, Chris, you know I watch you every day
on on speed, I mean on first first.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yeah, I watched you every day on first thing first.
And I know you're the one that said that from
the beginning that he was Jordan that, yes, And hey,
I'm I'm gonna pip that with you. I know, I
know Nikkasu the resident chief fan all that, I'm gonna
(28:10):
give you the credit for that.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
I don't doubt anything that he does. I mean, I've
known from, like I said, since he was four years old.
I knew it was something different. He was something special.
I didn't think it was gonna be football. Uh, to
be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
But was he We know he played basketball and baseball.
He was really good. Was football his best sport?
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Now? Basketball probably was his best sport? But yeah, But
but one thing about it is I talked to him
every week before the game, and I normally call him
on Wednesday or Thursday. Hey, what the game plan looked? Like,
you know, we're good this week? What we gonna do?
(29:00):
And he told me, he said, and we're gonna handle
them boys. He said, we got him. I said, really,
I said, because I don't see how y'all gonna win.
But you know, I ain't gonna never doubt you. But
he told me, he said, we're good. He said, the
line blocks like they blocked last week against Buffalo, then
(29:21):
we're good. And I'm gonna ride with it. I'm gonna
ride with it with whatever he says. And he felt
very comfident going to the game. So I felt very
comfident going to that game, knowing that they had a
game plan that they were gonna put in here and
that they were gonna win that game.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
All right.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
And before we get on, I know Chris is taking
his bows for being Jordan ast but I just want
you to know Patrick, he didn't pick He didn't pick
the Chiefs the last two years. So I just want
you to know he wasn't as confident as you were
in Patrick's ability and all the great stuff that he's done.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Let me ask you about this.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
He watching first thing, right, I know, I'm just saying
the last two years, you didn't pick up.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
You didn't pick them the last two years.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
But the defense, my god, I mean, the defense has
turned around for this team. He hasn't always had a
great defense, uh, but this defense has been pretty amazing.
How important is it when when you're a quarterback and
we saw that some of the receivers not be as
good this year, dropped and all that, But if you
have a defense, it means a lot in the NFL,
(30:25):
doesn't it.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Yes, it does. Rob And that's the thing about Patrick
has never had a defense. From high school through Texas Tech,
through the Chiefs, he never had a defense and he
has won this year. And so the whole time that
they were going through there, I said, is damn, you
(30:48):
got a good defense. You got a good defense, and
you're gonna be all right. I know that. You know,
we had a lot of drops during the season, We
had a lot of stuff going on. But I knew
if if he got a ticket into the playoffs, then
he was gonna be okay. I said, long as we
catch the ball, as long as the line blocks like
(31:10):
they block. I don't playoff Patrick, you know, I know,
playoff Patrick. He was born you know to do the
things that he that he did I actually picked out
his mom. I said, hey, I'm gonna make a baby
with you, and we're gonna make this guy, you know, Periopoly.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Are you serious? You picked her out of him? Like, okay,
we're gonna have a great great quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Yes, yes I did. I met I met her actually
at a at a at a liquor store in Kilboar,
which is a small town right here by Tyler, and
I talked to her and I said, hey, I want
to have a baby with you. I'm gonna make a star.
I want to make a star. And we made a star.
(32:02):
And he's done everything that a father could ask. I mean,
he was the easiest to raise. I mean, he was
what he is, I mean, and I prepped him in
and I tried to do all the things I could
to do to let him know what the experience is
going to be like to be a professional athlete. And
(32:26):
he took it and he ran with it. He saw
how the guys prepared every day at the field. He
saw the best of the best, Alice Rodrigers, the Derek Cheters,
he saw them what they did to prepare every week
to be the best that they could be, and he
(32:48):
just took it. And ran with it.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Now, let me ask you one other thing. Obviously, you saw.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
The Lions game and the.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Way they that game down.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
What did you just I just want to get a
feel for just watching that or just seeing how that
played out.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
How shocked were.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
You that they gave up a twenty four to seven
lead and should have been in the super Bowl against
Mahomes and the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Well, I mean it's sports. I mean, you know, if
you've never been in that situation before, you know, it's
got to be kind of hard. I mean, I think
Dan Campbell's done a hell of a job with the
line and that team and everything. But you know, players
(33:34):
make plays. That's always yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
But those field goals, those field goals got to be
made Patrick, right, No.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Well, I think you would take them. But I mean
I'm not in these shoes. I mean, he has a
lot of confidence in his team. He figures as they
can make those plays when they need to make those plays,
and unfortunately have always dropped. I mean, some other stuff
(34:01):
happened and it looks bad down, but I can't follow
the coach for having confidence in his team to come
through in those moments. It's the same thing with Patrick
and all them. I mean I talked to him after
the game was over. We was down on the field
and I said, I said, damn son, I said, second half.
(34:26):
I mean, what were y'all doing? I mean, why weren't
y'all still playing the game? He said, Dad, way, the
defense was playing. He goes, I was just going to
make sure I didn't make any mistakes because they were
doing their thing, and I'm letting them do their thing,
and I'm good, and so I understand that. I mean,
he's gonna do whatever it takes to win. I think
(34:49):
Dan Campbell had in his mind that he's gonna do
whatever he could to make his team win. He had
a lot of confidence in his guys, and sometimes it
don't work out. Some times that don't and then you
look like, you know, jackass, if you go back every
wind and look at it. But yeah, I think he
(35:11):
was doing what was in the best interest of his team.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
All right, Thank you very We always appreciate you, you
know that.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Absolutely, And congratulations on all your family success.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
For sure, we're luck in the super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Hey, thank you very much. I'm gonna see y'all up
there Radio.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Row that's right, come by and say hello.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
You know that.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Yeah, I'm definitely gonna do that, but I'm gonna tell Chris.
I'm gonna tell Chris right now. Per Thanks for all that.
Don't ever doubt that that song gone they wear one
time my lesson.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
That's right, believe me, all right, Appreciate, we appreciate it all.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Appreciate y'all
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