February 9, 2024 • 39 mins
Chris Broussard and Rob Parker actually agree on something for once: this Super Bowl is the San Francisco 49ers' game to lose. Myles Garrett and Denzel Ward of the Cleveland Browns join the show! The guys also discuss Lamar Jackson being just a single MVP vote shy of a unanimous win.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:31):
Let me welcome in my partner, Rob Parker. What's up, man?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
What's happening to mister Chris Bussaud? How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I am fantastic. You sound better?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yeah, definitely better, even though I did hang out last
night with Cavino and Rich and some other Fox Sports
radio people were out hanging out, and I've gotta admit
I think this is was it fortnights in a row
that I went to bed buzz for the first time
in a long time. I feel like I'm a twenty
year old twenty in my twenties, Chris.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You know when I used to be a sports.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Writer, traveling around and going to bed in different hotels
all the time after a couple of nightcaps, a couple
of drinks, but feeling good.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Feeling good. It was a great week.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You sound much better. I mean yesterday you sounded so bad.
I was like, man, his takes aren't the only thing
this Oh.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Wow, thank you Alex? What Alex? Don't it was funny?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
It was not bad. It was funny.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I take you good. A million points? How many? Elijah?
One point three million? Okay?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Is that the only time you've ever hit a million?
Because you're talking about that.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
I mean no, no, no, the last ones have been good.
I've been over a million. It's been good for the show.
Come on, that's good.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It's not just me. You're on those two, Chris, you don't.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, why you say it like it's just you.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I didn't say that. You did. You told me last
time you said it. My take of well good Campbell
got a million views. Well, but you're on it.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
You're just not you know, you're just not adding the
I'm just bringing logic.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
You're just doing not just bringing the truth.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Is that it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I mean stopped all right? We got Miles Garrett, Denzel
war coming up. At the bottom of the hour. There
a couple of crews in full effect. DJ Alex tyshert
aka alex A Vegan.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Where are you at? I'm in the crates that's right.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
As a funky flashback Friday, the super producer Rob.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
G and wait a minute, is Chris trying to get
big brownie points with his wife?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
What did you buy her? Canoles?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
I walked all the way from the Mandalay Bay to
the Venetian Hotel with only been in Vegas. That's like,
that's why walk to get her some canoles that she
asked for Brownie points for me.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yes, you couldn't get them anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Nope, that's one specific so it's one place. Just wo.
That's what you do when you're away for a week.
Your wife, Chris, have you flying her first class?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
I get her way more than Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Right, look at that. You better have some more.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You better have some, Louis sign and you you don't
in that bag.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
We admitted on national radio that you flew your your
beautiful wife and daughter to Egypt.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Coach. Coach, that's you don't get to say anything.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Those first class tickets, Yeah, shoot.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Only five first class when the company pays, like Rob said,
when the company pays, I fly first.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
But who we got on the updates?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Our man? Is it Steve the Seger?
Speaker 7 (04:35):
Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Steve, Elijah Sebuna and Soccer Ptel. All right, Rob Let's
this is the time, the moment of truth. So uh,
let's make our picks for the Super Bowl. Who you got?
I'm going with the San Francisco forty nine. San Francisco
was supposed.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
To be there all year. We know Christy had the
little sl up in the middle of the season. They
lost a couple of games. But this is the path
that they were supposed to be. It doesn't matter how
you get there. The bumps. I look at that as
a part of the journey. It hasn't been a pretty postseason.
Got run over by the Packers. Could have easily lost
(05:17):
that game. If the Packers kicked him Chris made a
field goal, they could have lost. They could be out.
But it didn't happen. They were down twenty four to
seven at the half. People in Detroit were flooding the
call centers of all the airlines, Chris hotels. Everybody thought
in Detroit they were going.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
To the super Bowl. And they didn't fold. They didn't
panic that stadium.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
You could hear a mouse urinate on cotton in Santa Claara, Okay,
but they didn't fold.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I think there's something about that.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
And I'm not here to trash Kansas City because this
is an improbable run for them. Chris, their defense way
better than we ever could have imagine the best during
the Patrick Mahomes run. What scares me about Kansas City
is the offense and the weapons, and will they revert
to the offense that was sketchy, that struggled in fourth quarters,
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Like that's what, like, does that offense show up in
the biggest game of the year, Because that's really if
I were to pick the offense the last couple of weeks,
Chris and the playoffs, and the offense the whole seventeen games,
the whole seventeen games being flaky is the real Chiefs offense,
not just what happened in the last two weeks and which
(06:38):
one shows up. So I'm gonna go with the San
Francisco forty nine ers. I think they win this one
by ten points. It's a seven point game until late. Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Chris got a blowout fairly comfortably.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Yeah, but if you add a field goal at the
end to make it I picked when when the Colts
beat New Orleans and the Super Bowl, Chris, I picked
the Colts. Oh the other way around, I'm sorry, when
the New Orleans beat the Colts, I picked them by
two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I remember Skip Batley's looking at me like I was crazy.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
We're doing first take, and guess what in that game,
Remember the Saints will win in by seven and then
a pick six by Peyton Manning at the end made
it a fourteen point spread. So I see something like
that seven point game, Chris, and then Kansas, I mean,
and then the forty nine is seal it with a
field goal late to make it a ten point game.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Believe it or not, Ron Parker, I'm also picking the ninth.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
What I'm doing a Danny Thomas spit take.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I am also picking the Niners.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Look, I think on paper, there are a heck of
a lot of reasons to go with the Chiefs. Right,
They've got the experience, obviously, they've got the top coach,
they've got the best quarterback in the world, their defense
at this point is better than San Francisco's.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
And they've looked better in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
But for the entire season, Rob, I agree with you,
the Niners have been the better team the entire season.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Now, maybe that'll turn out to not mean.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Anything, because, like we said, the Chiefs have looked better
in the playoffs, no doubt, but the Niners had the
better season.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
And Rob, if we were making if this.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Game were being picked five weeks ago, everybody would be
picking the Niners and so and I agree with you
on like remember when they were routing everybody, they were
even saying we need a little adversity. We need to
show it was too. He was one they wanted to
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see what he could do in those moments. But yeah,
everybody as a team because Shanahan was zero to thirty
in no those instances, or to thirty one whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
It was trailing in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So they did need even though it wasn't pretty, even
though it was dangerous.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I know they didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
On purpose, No, but they needed to prove that they
had that medal to where all everything looks bleak and
they could pull it out.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And I also think Rob there are some football reasons.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Now.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I know there's a lot for the in.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
The Chiefs favor too, but look the Chiefs they blitz
a ton with Steve Spagnola. Now he's a great defensive coordinator,
he can switch things up, but he is blitz happy.
Guess who's the best quarterback in the league against the
blitz rock party number one.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It might well if they.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Blitz him, though, I think he can make them pay.
Yeah you're talking about Saola absolutely.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yeah, then he might have to doll it back because
you don't want to be giving up big play, big
note play.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Because with those guys that can run after the catch,
So there's that. Also, the Chiefs like to play man coverage.
They played almost as much as any team as far
as their defensive backfield, and the Niners feast on man cover.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
But you get.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Shouldn't surprise you, George Kittle, Deebo, Samuel Brandon, Christian mccafvy. Yeah,
so they feast on man coverage. Now they they can
play zone two. They played some zone against Miami. But
I'm just saying some of the things that the Chiefs
love to do. The Niners can counter offensively and rob
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the Chiefs weakness on defense or the weakest part of
their defense.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Because the defense is really good is against the run.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And we saw Buffalo run for almost two hundred yards
on them. Then fifteen of their twenty games they gave
up more than one hundred yards. Rushing is the best
running back in the league. I think that's the key run.
I mean, at least offensively for the Niners. I think
if they can establish the run, and then I think
(11:01):
they can make it a long night for the Chiefs.
And look, again, I don't know what in the world
was going on. Baltimore never even tried that.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
No, they went away from who they were and they
didn't run the ball against a team that's susceptible to
the ground.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
None of it makes sense.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
That's where all the Rob g conspiracy theorists are like,
this is not real, this is the WWE, this is scripted,
because why would they not run a football?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
No, it was strange, right, and not only was it
their strength, it was the opponent's weakness.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And so look, I get Rob, You and I are
the only two I've seen about eight guys I guess
on TV today making predictions.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
You and I are the only two I've seen.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It will including us, maybe ten, but include you and
I are the only ones I've seen.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Picked the Niners really because I think they're I mean,
mahomes Is. You know I love mahomes He's obviously better
than Brock.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
But this is a team. It's a team game, and
we know how stacked the Niners are. And I think
Perdy can be good enough, and actually more than good enough.
I think you can play well and they can pull
it out. And Ralph, how many times I think that
would be an upset? I know their favorite.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
But like I just said, everybody seems to be picking
the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
The Chiefs saw safe pick And I get it, Chris.
They've been in the Super Bowl all these times. They
have the experience, and they got Hall of famers and
potential and future Hall of famers, and they have the
coach and and and all the other stuff that goes
with it. But we we've been covering sports too long.
What looks obvious all the time just isn't It? Just is?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Especially in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
We nobody would pick the Giants over the eight and
p not nobody, zero no zero.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Nick Foles beating Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Heck, Tim Brady five hundred yards, Chris right, and they
lost four hundred, five hundred for five hundred.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
If you would have said Tom Buddy's gonna throw for
five hundred yards of Super Bowl and lose, you would
be like, yeah, ain't.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
No way to a backup? A backup.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Jeff Hostetler won it as a backup, be one of
those great Buffalo Bills teams for the Giants. But I
mean even Tom Brady rob when he was a nobody
in this first year as a starter, he beats the
greatest show on turf.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yep. That team was held to what thirteen points or
whatever it.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Was something like that.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
So yeah, I mean, strange things happen in these Super Bowls,
and we agree on this one.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
So let's start out to know that we're not there.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
I mean, I can't wait to hear the listeners because
I'm sure they're not with us.
Speaker 8 (13:38):
Nah.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I mean, have you seen many people picking the dollars?
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Not from what I've seen, Rob, g you scoured at
all the social media stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
What are you saying, guy, It's not even just the
analyst and the experts. The Athletics surveyed anonymous coaches like
they do every week, unanimously picking the Chiefs.
Speaker 8 (13:55):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean, look, there's a mystique about them, and if
they win this game, it's gonna be a mystique about
them all next year.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
You know, they don't win this game, it's gonna be
interesting too to see where the Chiefs fall in. What
about Kelsey? What about uh read? You know what I mean, Chris?
And then the financial picture of the Chiefs. Do you
start letting people go?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Jones might be going.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Jes You best defenders are free agency.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And Rob And we've said, look, if I'm Chris Jones,
I'm getting paid exactly super Bowl. I don't care about nothing.
Absolutely tamer already, like, man, go get your money for sure,
because you're gonna be young when you retire, So get
that Money's got to serve you the rest of your life,
all right, eight seven, seven ninety nine On Fox You're
(14:44):
turning the way in Rob and I are picking the Niners?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Are we crazy? Who you picking?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
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Speaker 5 (16:26):
You're on the eye couple Miles Garrett and Denzel Ward
of the Cleveland Browns, and they're here on behalf of Bounty.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
What's up, my friends? How are you guys? Doing great
about yourself? Doing good, doing good? Well?
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Bounty? I see wings here, I see paper towels. Talk
about Bounty and everything going on with you guys.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
Oh, you can't have football with that wings.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
Hey, you can't have wings without Bounty, No doubt you
need them right exactly.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Yeah, come on, look at the wings we got in
front of us, and you know you gotta wipe that mouth.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
Yeah, I mean, you can't be no look walking around
sloppy body. You got to take care of yourself. It's
naturally gonna get a little bit out of hand with wings,
but they got boundary to take care of.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You, no doubt. All Right, let's talk a little football too, Uh.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
You guys played Rock Party and the forty nine ers
actually beat them. Let's just start with with the team
that you guys played and beat during the season, and
Brock Purdy is just some magic formula or something to
get them stopped, because they've come back twice in the
postseason to get here, some pretty big comebacks.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
I mean, it's not just as easy as you know,
just stopping the run and trying to force it on
you know, Pardy to to win the game. He's showing
that he can do that. No, he showed that all year.
But I think you got to you gotta put pressure
on him. You got to make sure that he's he's
feeling a little bit no nervous, anxious in that pocket.
And I think that's what we did best. Know, we
had a lot of no heat on them throughout the
entire game, and they were, they were locking up on
the back end.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
They talk about getting a quarterback off their spot. Is
that is that what you're talking about? Yeah, make them
throwing the move. I mean, he's shown that he can,
he can move down the field, he can told the
Rock a little bit.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
You know, we got guys to chase me down though,
they got to be able to keep contained.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Then Joe shame, Yeah, from your perspective, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 7 (18:14):
Yeah, similar to what Miles was saying. Just got to
get that pressure on Party and get guys in his face.
But I think actually when we play those guys, that
was probably one of our highest percentages of man and
man coverage that we played on the back end. So
I think just staying tight in coverage on those guys
helped out a lot of game. Miles time to get
there and get some sacks and put pressure out there.
So just making those go hand in hand. But if
(18:37):
you give pretty free access and able to make those
easy completions, he's able to make that happen.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
How surprised were you that Party uses legs against the Lions?
You know, he had a couple of big runs that
were important. How surprised we didn't see that much of that.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
You knew he had it in him.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
I shouldn't know that. You know he was gonna, you know,
take that next step that quickly, you know him, no,
not just sitting in the pocket, but saying the heck
we need to play, They'll go out there and go
get it. So it was really like the the next
step in his development.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
How about the Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, everybody, of
course respects them. They won the Super Bowl a year ago.
They got Patrick Mahomes, they got Andy Reid, we got
all that. But they scuffled this year. Let's just be honest.
They were five and five in their last ten. Then
they had to go on the road for the first time.
But they beat Buffalo right, and they beat the Ravens.
How how how good are the Chiefs?
Speaker 8 (19:29):
Man?
Speaker 7 (19:30):
They're they're never they're never underdogs. I mean they got their.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Experience underdogs in this Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I wouldn't about that. Yeah, that's what these Vegas says,
they're the underdog.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that they got the experience.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
They didn't.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
They didn't been there, done that. They got super Bowls
under their belt already. Uh, leading a pack with my home.
So I mean, you can never count those guys out,
regardless who they're going against. So I mean they're a
great team, and I mean they've been showing that year
in a year out.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
No, they'll they'll say that they're underdogs, but you never
count against the guys who got experience, who've been there,
been through my to have nose what it takes. And
you know, when forty nine is getting a jam inevitably
during the game, you know, no, they have to find
a way that they haven't done before. They've been in
their position. They never remember before chiefs been in, been
(20:14):
back then slamb before. They can rely on that and
you know, start punching out.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
How But the forty nine ers this year with their comebacks,
does that help a team like to be down like
they were against the Lions, they were desperate. You're down
twenty four to seven at home, the crowds turned on you,
you know what I mean, people are like, oh my god,
you know, like like we're not going to the super Bowl,
which they were supposed to go all year. Can that
fuel you as well, like make you feel like you
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can come back and no matter what happens, early. There's
a chance of making a comeback for sure.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
I remember Belichick talking about that during the sixteen year
old season, saying that he wish they would have got
tested during the season and the playoffs leading up to
the Super Bowl so that you know they could feel
that feeling of being you're back against the wall, being
prepared to fight out, to fight off and fight out
the corner. But know them having that right before the
Super Bowl, I think that that helps them trend up
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for us, know that they can do it, and they
now have a little bit of that experience and under
their belt. The Chiefs have been They've been there before,
They've been there multiple times, and you know, mahomes mahomes.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You can't bet against it, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
I'll guess Miles Garrett and Denzel Ward of the Cleveland Browns,
they're here on behalf of bounty with eating wings and
we're wiping our mouths with bounty pay per towels.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
No doubt. The quicker picker up er strong too. Denzel.
Let me ask you about the Browns.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I mean, you guys have a tremendous defense, But man,
when I watched that game against Houston.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I mean, I know there was a lot of turnovers
that put the defense in tough spots as well, But
just talk about your defense and you know, expectations for
next year.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
Uh yeah, So are you talking specifically on the Houston game?
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Yeah, just just Houston. I mean that was that was
a tough, tough way to go out of playoff.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Yeah, it was tough. I mean, we had high expectations
for ourselves and we didn't meet those expectations come game
did against Houston. Houston played a great game, and unfortunately
we weren't. We weren't able to get it done. I mean,
uh so we just got to come back ready to
play next year and fix those mistakes that we had
happened in that Houston game and be better for next year.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
How about the division, the AFC North is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mean, it's really really chot football.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
Difension in football bar none. And uh you know, I
feel like the guys you're coming out I always have
a great chance of winning it at all, but you
gotta you gotta go through you know, the trenches, uh,
to the team make it the playoffs. And that's what
I like. It prepared you for anything else you see
in the season.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
How about Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson, you know got off
to a slow start. Good catch there, got hand you
could have been a tight end. Did you see that
he didn't fumble it been waiting on my very nice
But but to Shawan, you know, got off to a
slowest start that most people thought and then kind of
going and then wound up getting injured. So you got
(23:03):
to see maybe he can get back to where he
was when he's with the Texans or closer to that.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
How big would that be for your team?
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Denzel oh Man, that's gonna be huge. We know what
type of player DeShawn is, and I mean he showed
flashes of that during the season. Like I said before,
he got hurt and hurt the shoulder. But just being
able to get him back and get him healthy, I
mean that's gonna be huge in our success next year.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
He still hasn't gotten no to that point where he's
gotten like a real groove where he was one hundred
percent feeling healthy, you know, gotten into the like the
rhythm of the game, like there's there's always been something
where he's you know, it's coming back from no time
off or like dealing with the shoulder, there's always been
something that's pulling him back. So when once he gets
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his groove during next season, it's really gonna be scared.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
All right.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
We got about thirty seconds ago. I watch a Super
Bowl prediction and will you watch the game? You know
how many former football football players I know and I'm
not in it.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I don't watch the Super Bowl. Are you watching the game?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Damn right?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
No, damn right, you not watching? That's what I a
you watch it.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
I'm gonna be wherever Miles is in some wings, all right.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Who you got? Who's winning? Mister cheef big or tight?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Tight?
Speaker 7 (24:13):
I got the Niners.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Niners, my man. I'm with you on the Niners, all right,
appreciate it.
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Last night was the NFL Honors and to no one's surprised,
Lamar Jackson won his second MVP in couch.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
We talked about it about being like could it be unanimous?
Remember we talked about.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That, right, and he was close forty nine out of
the fifty votes. The one other first class or first
place vote went to Josh Allen, and so he did
not win unanimous. Now he is already Lamar, He and
Tom Brady are the only quarterbacks or players ever to
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be unanimous MVPs. But Lamar would have become the first
rob to do it twice. So he just missed out.
I mean, look, obviously he's still happy he's an MVP,
and MVP is MVP, right, but he did miss out
on that honor, which could have been another feather in
his cap.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Rob G. Do we know anything about the voter?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Because I know some people were ripping him saying he
was a homer and he probably covered Buffalo and all that.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
But this isn't that isn't true about this guy, right.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
No, it is not.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
It is Aaron Shatz, and he had previously worked for ESPN.
He's most well known though, as being the guy who
basically founded and created DVOA, which is the newest analytics
driven metric that all of the you know, smart people
on TV and then these NFL Locker was referenced. So
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instead of saying, oh, so and so is good against
the run, but you know, they've only played good competition,
So DVOA is the thing that kind of really measures
that sort of thing, and Pro Football Focus uses a
lot too as.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
A way to gauge their scoring system.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
So when it became public that he was the only
one of fifty voters to not have Lamar Jackson as MVP,
he had Josh Allen, he went on his website. He
works now for a website called FTN Fantasy, a brand
new analytics based website, and he posted a column explaining
why he didn't pick Lamar jack Here's what he said.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I'm a stat guy. I'm gonna look at stats.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
There's no question by nearly every advanced metric you can
look at, Josh Allen and Dak Prescott had better seasons
than Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And then he went on.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Continued that according to DVOA as a per play calculation,
Lamar Jackson was sixth amongst quarterbacks, well behind Josh Allen
who was second, Brock Purty, who was first. And then
he even added and elaborated later on Twitter with a
post which I actually agree with. This part says, I'll
admit I'm confused about other voters who had Dak Prescott
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and brock Purty as first Team All Pro, but not MVP.
If you're MVP, don't you have to be first Team
All Pro?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Rob G what do you have the voting numbers on?
How we know Lamar was first Team All Pro? But
what he's saying is Lamar didn't get ninety.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Eight forty five of fifty for All Pro.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Oh he's still got forty five.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
So to party and Dak's party and one went to John,
why did they vote for him?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Right?
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Why it should have been the same exact But but see,
this is the problem I have with the stat guy.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It's not just stats.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
It's it's not it's gotta be it's more than just stats,
and it's your effect on the game, your impact. We
talk about Lebron all the time, Chris right like, the
stats are great, but does he have the same impact
Lebron hasn't been up for m v P. What a
couple of years ago he let the league and assist
right like, like, there's more to it than just looking
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at stats. And I get it, it should be a
piece of it. But to me is when it's that
overwhelming and one sided, you miss something, that's all. And
I think he cheated us out of something in the NFL,
with Lamar being unanimous for a second time, the only
player to do it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I do feel that I thought that was the same thing.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
And and thank god he's not like from Buffalo or
there's no story, backstory.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Chris, because that was what year we saw that with
those who go over Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Remember Aaron Judge to Aaron Judge. Remember the two writers, right,
anaheigh right?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
And that is not that show he's not worthy, But
there was something that like the only two players, the
only two writers who voted for him were hometown guys.
That's what made it feel a little dirty or so soil.
And and I'm glad that he this wasn't the case
for him. But to say, I'm a stats guy, and
even in his stats, Chris, here's where I pushed back.
(30:30):
So if brock Party was number one on his thing,
why did he vote for Josh Allen?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
He said that, didn't he say that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
But I don't think he's saying I only go by No,
I'm just saying, but what would be the difference?
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Brock Perty is on a team that made the playoffs
and and had I.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Think he said Josh Allen was second.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Josh was second. Course. Here's what I.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Think, you know, I believe that Lamar should have been
the m v P and deserved it, and I'm glad
he got it.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
He was so far in a way better than everybody
else that he had to be unanimous. So I've got
no problem with this guy voting for someone else. And
Josh Allen I think, had like twenty more touchdowns than
Lamar or something like that, and you can't say joh
I mean Josh Allen. Then here's where maybe you want
to push back on the guy Rob. Josh Allen's numbers
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weren't terrific late in the season when they made that run.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Straight, he had less touchdowns he was.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
To be honest, he was playing a lot like Lamar.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I mean he was scoring more because he had like
six touchdowns in the last in the five game win
streak to get six rushing touchdowns, but he had and
he only had five passing ones. So I'll give you that.
My point is just that I can see how somebody
would vote for Josh, or vote for Dak, or even
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vote for brock Perty or Christian McCaffrey like I and
Lamar's numbers is.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
What I said yesterday. I think like I said, I
think he was MVP.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I think his impact on the game was incredible, and
watching it, it was just it just jumped out on
the screen from you. Josh Allen did the same thing.
And if one guy, that's why you have multiple voters.
If there are guys that are gonna lean more towards
the stats and the analytics, there are guys that are
gonna lean more toward the eye test, then other guys
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that are old school, then guys that are new school.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It just that's why you have a number of voters,
and it may not end up unanimous like that. I
mean again, it's only happened twice where it was unanimous,
but at least you feel like you got the right
guy when you have a variety of viewpoints and then
you go with the guy that got the most vote.
So look, Greg Jennys was on First Things First with
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us to day. He was like, look, Lamar, don't care,
he's MVP.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
No, that's what it matters. I agree with that sentiment.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
I just think when it is of that ill Chris,
you got to look back if it was forty five
to five or whatever, that we wouldn't be having a conversation.
But when forty nine, you know how hard it is
to get forty nine or get that many people to vote.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
You just mentioned four guys.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
People thought Christian McCaffrey all year was in the running,
right he wasn't people like like when it came down
to it, and it tells you about.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Chris Well, he was running.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
No, no, no, I meant that he didn't get a vote,
is what I'm saying. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Our first place vote. But here I think, but this
does bring up an interesting point. If I'm a voter,
like I think it's just the guy who's the MVP
has got to be first team All Pro, Like I
couldn't vote for a player to be the MVP of
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the NBA where I'm an official voter, And yeah, he
don't even make my first team All NBA. So that's
what the guys point out, Like I'm the only one
being singled out, and he was the only voter in
this case. But he's saying, there were four other guys
that voted for Party or Dak, and why didn't they vote.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
For Party or Dak? Me the MVP?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
You know what I'm saying like that, that's a little odd.
I remember once, well, when I think there's too I
think there's a difference.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
I think if you talk about all pro and being
great at your position and your stats or your numbers,
if you talk about Dak Prescott and what he did,
but impact on winning and and being winning the big games,
beating the best teams like all those other things, is
where MVP comes in. So I can see what you
can look and say Dak had by far his best season,
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or or Josh Allen had twenty more touchdowns and as
a quarterback he was one of the best quarterbacks. But
if I'm talking about who had the most impact of
their team, I'm saying it was Lamar, who wins seventy
five percent of the game. Baltimore had the best record
in the league. They beat there was seven out of
eight against the best teams that went to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Like you could make a case.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
No, I just don't see how that's different. Like I said,
I'm just saying you on Lamar winning it despite the
numbers not being you know, Rob gu But I'm just saying, like,
I don't see how you vote Lamar MVP but you
don't voting first team All Pro?
Speaker 6 (35:27):
I guess, Rob, just to clarify, so what you're saying
and I'm asking right now, so like when they do
NFL Offensive Player of the Year, if a guy is
an MVP and he's an offensive player, how is he
not offensive player.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Because of the stats?
Speaker 8 (35:40):
That?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Right? So what you're saying that is when it comes.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
To that, you know that's do you know why they
do that?
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (35:46):
But when you're saying all Pro, is that something similar
where it's like it's less about the winning and just yes,
it's about you.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
It's about you and your position. Whereas I think when
you talk about m vps and.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
This is why intangible stuff they need.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
This is Chris, you could have lights out numbers and
if your team finishes in the last place, you're not
gonna win the m v P.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Like you know, you're also in motion my first team
All Pro?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
No, but but unless you have like crazy stats and
you still don't win.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
When I would think that most voters put the two together.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
And Rob G I think your analogy I don't agree with.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I was trying to clarify with. I get what you're saying, but.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You know, like the only reason they have Offensive Player
of the Year is to give it to the nine
quarterback who was the great.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
Oh even Lamar got votes for Offensive Player of the
Year though.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, I mean that's where you know, and and there's
no set criteria with these things, you know, which can
make it better or it can make it worse, depending
on your viewpoint.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
But yeah, I mean I hear you.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
You could you would think you could win both, you know,
but it's just kind of become a point where they
give the offensive player a year award to the guy
that was an non quarterback who's the best offense.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
So, Chris, what are your thoughts then on the guys
who did not vote Lamar for All Pro but ultimately
did voting for MVP. I think dan Or Lobsky may
have said, even publicly on on ESPN this morning, that
he was one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I don't understand the LOGI.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Had a different player for All Pro and then ended
up voting for what was his logic.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I didn't get to watch the whole clip.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I just maybe they were voting at different points of
the season too, you know, I don't know, but I
don't I don't.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
That's hard if you'd have more of an issue with
something like that than you would with Aaron Shatz in
this case sticky to his guns and.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
No, I mean, look, the numbers is what is paying
his bill, so I get where he's gonna go. And
to be fair, there are a lot of teams that
operate based on those numbers, so I think it's good
to have guys in there like that.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
It's just it's just if it's two, three, five, it
changes the conversation when it's that close, and so many
pick him and it's just one guy. You do, look
at it when Derek Jeter that was the other one
you were thinking of, Chris, when Gita got in the
Hall of Fame and he want one vote, so you say,
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who didn't vote for Derek Jeta?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Well you know why they do that?
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Just I don't know how they determine it, right, Rob,
But it's like we don't want to let anybody be unanimous.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
But it's ridiculous. Mario except Mariano rivera right bro. And
Derekjita played every day.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Chris, he was a player than Mario. R Mario, No,
I'm not, but it's it's they.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Played every day and as the sixth most hits in
Major League Baseball hit and somebody didn't vote for him.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Well, we always talk about who didn't vote for Hank Aaron, right,
we may vote for Babe Ruth Right.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
They weren't unanimous, all right?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
It's the ODE couple Chris and Rob uh eight seven
seven ninety nine on fix simple question, should Lamar Jackson
have been in a unanimous MVP? And do you have
an issue with the guy that didn't vote for him
based on analytics?
Speaker 4 (39:06):
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Speaker 2 (01:35):
What's happening to mister Chris Bussaud? How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I am fantastic. You sound better?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yeah, definitely better, even though I did hang out last
night with Cavino and Rich and some other Fox Sports
radio people were out hanging out, and I've gotta admit
I think this is was it fortnights in a row
that I went to bed buzz for the first time
in a long time. I feel like I'm a twenty
year old twenty in my twenties, Chris.
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You know when I used to be a sports.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Writer, traveling around and going to bed in different hotels
all the time after a couple of nightcaps, a couple
of drinks, but feeling good.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Feeling good. It was a great week.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You sound much better. I mean yesterday you sounded so bad.
I was like, man, his takes aren't the only thing
this Oh.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Wow, thank you Alex? What Alex? Don't it was funny?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
It was not bad. It was funny.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I take you good. A million points? How many? Elijah?
One point three million? Okay?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Is that the only time you've ever hit a million?
Because you're talking about that.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
I mean no, no, no, the last ones have been good.
I've been over a million. It's been good for the show.
Come on, that's good.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It's not just me. You're on those two, Chris, you don't.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, why you say it like it's just you.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I didn't say that. You did. You told me last
time you said it. My take of well good Campbell
got a million views. Well, but you're on it.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
You're just not you know, you're just not adding the
I'm just bringing logic.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
You're just doing not just bringing the truth.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Is that it? Yeah?
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I mean stopped all right? We got Miles Garrett, Denzel
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Speaker 2 (03:19):
Where are you at? I'm in the crates that's right.
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As a funky flashback Friday, the super producer Rob.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
G and wait a minute, is Chris trying to get
big brownie points with his wife?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
What did you buy her? Canoles?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
I walked all the way from the Mandalay Bay to
the Venetian Hotel with only been in Vegas. That's like,
that's why walk to get her some canoles that she
asked for Brownie points for me.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yes, you couldn't get them anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Nope, that's one specific so it's one place. Just wo.
That's what you do when you're away for a week.
Your wife, Chris, have you flying her first class?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
I get her way more than Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Right, look at that. You better have some more.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You better have some, Louis sign and you you don't
in that bag.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
We admitted on national radio that you flew your your
beautiful wife and daughter to Egypt.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Coach. Coach, that's you don't get to say anything.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Those first class tickets, Yeah, shoot.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Only five first class when the company pays, like Rob said,
when the company pays, I fly first.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
But who we got on the updates?
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Our man? Is it Steve the Seger?
Speaker 7 (04:35):
Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Steve, Elijah Sebuna and Soccer Ptel. All right, Rob Let's
this is the time, the moment of truth. So uh,
let's make our picks for the Super Bowl. Who you got?
I'm going with the San Francisco forty nine. San Francisco
was supposed.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
To be there all year. We know Christy had the
little sl up in the middle of the season. They
lost a couple of games. But this is the path
that they were supposed to be. It doesn't matter how
you get there. The bumps. I look at that as
a part of the journey. It hasn't been a pretty postseason.
Got run over by the Packers. Could have easily lost
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that game. If the Packers kicked him Chris made a
field goal, they could have lost. They could be out.
But it didn't happen. They were down twenty four to
seven at the half. People in Detroit were flooding the
call centers of all the airlines, Chris hotels. Everybody thought
in Detroit they were going.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
To the super Bowl. And they didn't fold. They didn't
panic that stadium.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
You could hear a mouse urinate on cotton in Santa Claara, Okay,
but they didn't fold.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I think there's something about that.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
And I'm not here to trash Kansas City because this
is an improbable run for them. Chris, their defense way
better than we ever could have imagine the best during
the Patrick Mahomes run. What scares me about Kansas City
is the offense and the weapons, and will they revert
to the offense that was sketchy, that struggled in fourth quarters,
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Like that's what, like, does that offense show up in
the biggest game of the year, Because that's really if
I were to pick the offense the last couple of weeks,
Chris and the playoffs, and the offense the whole seventeen games,
the whole seventeen games being flaky is the real Chiefs offense,
not just what happened in the last two weeks and which
(06:38):
one shows up. So I'm gonna go with the San
Francisco forty nine ers. I think they win this one
by ten points. It's a seven point game until late. Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Chris got a blowout fairly comfortably.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Yeah, but if you add a field goal at the
end to make it I picked when when the Colts
beat New Orleans and the Super Bowl, Chris, I picked
the Colts. Oh the other way around, I'm sorry, when
the New Orleans beat the Colts, I picked them by
two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I remember Skip Batley's looking at me like I was crazy.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
We're doing first take, and guess what in that game,
Remember the Saints will win in by seven and then
a pick six by Peyton Manning at the end made
it a fourteen point spread. So I see something like
that seven point game, Chris, and then Kansas, I mean,
and then the forty nine is seal it with a
field goal late to make it a ten point game.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Believe it or not, Ron Parker, I'm also picking the ninth.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
What I'm doing a Danny Thomas spit take.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I am also picking the Niners.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Look, I think on paper, there are a heck of
a lot of reasons to go with the Chiefs. Right,
They've got the experience, obviously, they've got the top coach,
they've got the best quarterback in the world, their defense
at this point is better than San Francisco's.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
And they've looked better in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
But for the entire season, Rob, I agree with you,
the Niners have been the better team the entire season.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Now, maybe that'll turn out to not mean.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Anything, because, like we said, the Chiefs have looked better
in the playoffs, no doubt, but the Niners had the
better season.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
And Rob, if we were making if this.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Game were being picked five weeks ago, everybody would be
picking the Niners and so and I agree with you
on like remember when they were routing everybody, they were
even saying we need a little adversity. We need to
show it was too. He was one they wanted to
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see what he could do in those moments. But yeah,
everybody as a team because Shanahan was zero to thirty
in no those instances, or to thirty one whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
It was trailing in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So they did need even though it wasn't pretty, even
though it was dangerous.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I know they didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
On purpose, No, but they needed to prove that they
had that medal to where all everything looks bleak and
they could pull it out.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And I also think Rob there are some football reasons.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Now.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I know there's a lot for the in.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
The Chiefs favor too, but look the Chiefs they blitz
a ton with Steve Spagnola. Now he's a great defensive coordinator,
he can switch things up, but he is blitz happy.
Guess who's the best quarterback in the league against the
blitz rock party number one.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It might well if they.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Blitz him, though, I think he can make them pay.
Yeah you're talking about Saola absolutely.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yeah, then he might have to doll it back because
you don't want to be giving up big play, big
note play.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Because with those guys that can run after the catch,
So there's that. Also, the Chiefs like to play man coverage.
They played almost as much as any team as far
as their defensive backfield, and the Niners feast on man cover.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
But you get.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Shouldn't surprise you, George Kittle, Deebo, Samuel Brandon, Christian mccafvy. Yeah,
so they feast on man coverage. Now they they can
play zone two. They played some zone against Miami. But
I'm just saying some of the things that the Chiefs
love to do. The Niners can counter offensively and rob
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the Chiefs weakness on defense or the weakest part of
their defense.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Because the defense is really good is against the run.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And we saw Buffalo run for almost two hundred yards
on them. Then fifteen of their twenty games they gave
up more than one hundred yards. Rushing is the best
running back in the league. I think that's the key run.
I mean, at least offensively for the Niners. I think
if they can establish the run, and then I think
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they can make it a long night for the Chiefs.
And look, again, I don't know what in the world
was going on. Baltimore never even tried that.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
No, they went away from who they were and they
didn't run the ball against a team that's susceptible to
the ground.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
None of it makes sense.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
That's where all the Rob g conspiracy theorists are like,
this is not real, this is the WWE, this is scripted,
because why would they not run a football?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
No, it was strange, right, and not only was it
their strength, it was the opponent's weakness.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And so look, I get Rob, You and I are
the only two I've seen about eight guys I guess
on TV today making predictions.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
You and I are the only two I've seen.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It will including us, maybe ten, but include you and
I are the only ones I've seen.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Picked the Niners really because I think they're I mean,
mahomes Is. You know I love mahomes He's obviously better
than Brock.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
But this is a team. It's a team game, and
we know how stacked the Niners are. And I think
Perdy can be good enough, and actually more than good enough.
I think you can play well and they can pull
it out. And Ralph, how many times I think that
would be an upset? I know their favorite.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
But like I just said, everybody seems to be picking
the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
The Chiefs saw safe pick And I get it, Chris.
They've been in the Super Bowl all these times. They
have the experience, and they got Hall of famers and
potential and future Hall of famers, and they have the
coach and and and all the other stuff that goes
with it. But we we've been covering sports too long.
What looks obvious all the time just isn't It? Just is?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Especially in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
We nobody would pick the Giants over the eight and
p not nobody, zero no zero.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Nick Foles beating Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Heck, Tim Brady five hundred yards, Chris right, and they
lost four hundred, five hundred for five hundred.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
If you would have said Tom Buddy's gonna throw for
five hundred yards of Super Bowl and lose, you would
be like, yeah, ain't.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
No way to a backup? A backup.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Jeff Hostetler won it as a backup, be one of
those great Buffalo Bills teams for the Giants. But I
mean even Tom Brady rob when he was a nobody
in this first year as a starter, he beats the
greatest show on turf.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yep. That team was held to what thirteen points or
whatever it.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Was something like that.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
So yeah, I mean, strange things happen in these Super Bowls,
and we agree on this one.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
So let's start out to know that we're not there.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
I mean, I can't wait to hear the listeners because
I'm sure they're not with us.
Speaker 8 (13:38):
Nah.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I mean, have you seen many people picking the dollars?
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Not from what I've seen, Rob, g you scoured at
all the social media stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
What are you saying, guy, It's not even just the
analyst and the experts. The Athletics surveyed anonymous coaches like
they do every week, unanimously picking the Chiefs.
Speaker 8 (13:55):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean, look, there's a mystique about them, and if
they win this game, it's gonna be a mystique about
them all next year.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
You know, they don't win this game, it's gonna be
interesting too to see where the Chiefs fall in. What
about Kelsey? What about uh read? You know what I mean, Chris?
And then the financial picture of the Chiefs. Do you
start letting people go?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Jones might be going.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Jes You best defenders are free agency.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And Rob And we've said, look, if I'm Chris Jones,
I'm getting paid exactly super Bowl. I don't care about nothing.
Absolutely tamer already, like, man, go get your money for sure,
because you're gonna be young when you retire, So get
that Money's got to serve you the rest of your life,
all right, eight seven, seven ninety nine On Fox You're
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turning the way in Rob and I are picking the Niners?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Are we crazy? Who you picking?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
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Speaker 5 (16:26):
You're on the eye couple Miles Garrett and Denzel Ward
of the Cleveland Browns, and they're here on behalf of Bounty.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
What's up, my friends? How are you guys? Doing great
about yourself? Doing good, doing good? Well?
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Bounty? I see wings here, I see paper towels. Talk
about Bounty and everything going on with you guys.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
Oh, you can't have football with that wings.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
Hey, you can't have wings without Bounty, No doubt you
need them right exactly.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Yeah, come on, look at the wings we got in
front of us, and you know you gotta wipe that mouth.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
Yeah, I mean, you can't be no look walking around
sloppy body. You got to take care of yourself. It's
naturally gonna get a little bit out of hand with wings,
but they got boundary to take care of.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You, no doubt. All Right, let's talk a little football too, Uh.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
You guys played Rock Party and the forty nine ers
actually beat them. Let's just start with with the team
that you guys played and beat during the season, and
Brock Purdy is just some magic formula or something to
get them stopped, because they've come back twice in the
postseason to get here, some pretty big comebacks.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
I mean, it's not just as easy as you know,
just stopping the run and trying to force it on
you know, Pardy to to win the game. He's showing
that he can do that. No, he showed that all year.
But I think you got to you gotta put pressure
on him. You got to make sure that he's he's
feeling a little bit no nervous, anxious in that pocket.
And I think that's what we did best. Know, we
had a lot of no heat on them throughout the
entire game, and they were, they were locking up on
the back end.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
They talk about getting a quarterback off their spot. Is
that is that what you're talking about? Yeah, make them
throwing the move. I mean, he's shown that he can,
he can move down the field, he can told the
Rock a little bit.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
You know, we got guys to chase me down though,
they got to be able to keep contained.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Then Joe shame, Yeah, from your perspective, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 7 (18:14):
Yeah, similar to what Miles was saying. Just got to
get that pressure on Party and get guys in his face.
But I think actually when we play those guys, that
was probably one of our highest percentages of man and
man coverage that we played on the back end. So
I think just staying tight in coverage on those guys
helped out a lot of game. Miles time to get
there and get some sacks and put pressure out there.
So just making those go hand in hand. But if
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you give pretty free access and able to make those
easy completions, he's able to make that happen.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
How surprised were you that Party uses legs against the Lions?
You know, he had a couple of big runs that
were important. How surprised we didn't see that much of that.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
You knew he had it in him.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
I shouldn't know that. You know he was gonna, you know,
take that next step that quickly, you know him, no,
not just sitting in the pocket, but saying the heck
we need to play, They'll go out there and go
get it. So it was really like the the next
step in his development.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
How about the Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, everybody, of
course respects them. They won the Super Bowl a year ago.
They got Patrick Mahomes, they got Andy Reid, we got
all that. But they scuffled this year. Let's just be honest.
They were five and five in their last ten. Then
they had to go on the road for the first time.
But they beat Buffalo right, and they beat the Ravens.
How how how good are the Chiefs?
Speaker 8 (19:29):
Man?
Speaker 7 (19:30):
They're they're never they're never underdogs. I mean they got their.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Experience underdogs in this Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I wouldn't about that. Yeah, that's what these Vegas says,
they're the underdog.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that they got the experience.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
They didn't.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
They didn't been there, done that. They got super Bowls
under their belt already. Uh, leading a pack with my home.
So I mean, you can never count those guys out,
regardless who they're going against. So I mean they're a
great team, and I mean they've been showing that year
in a year out.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
No, they'll they'll say that they're underdogs, but you never
count against the guys who got experience, who've been there,
been through my to have nose what it takes. And
you know, when forty nine is getting a jam inevitably
during the game, you know, no, they have to find
a way that they haven't done before. They've been in
their position. They never remember before chiefs been in, been
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back then slamb before. They can rely on that and
you know, start punching out.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
How But the forty nine ers this year with their comebacks,
does that help a team like to be down like
they were against the Lions, they were desperate. You're down
twenty four to seven at home, the crowds turned on you,
you know what I mean, people are like, oh my god,
you know, like like we're not going to the super Bowl,
which they were supposed to go all year. Can that
fuel you as well, like make you feel like you
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can come back and no matter what happens, early. There's
a chance of making a comeback for sure.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
I remember Belichick talking about that during the sixteen year
old season, saying that he wish they would have got
tested during the season and the playoffs leading up to
the Super Bowl so that you know they could feel
that feeling of being you're back against the wall, being
prepared to fight out, to fight off and fight out
the corner. But know them having that right before the
Super Bowl, I think that that helps them trend up
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for us, know that they can do it, and they
now have a little bit of that experience and under
their belt. The Chiefs have been They've been there before,
They've been there multiple times, and you know, mahomes mahomes.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You can't bet against it, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
I'll guess Miles Garrett and Denzel Ward of the Cleveland Browns,
they're here on behalf of bounty with eating wings and
we're wiping our mouths with bounty pay per towels.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
No doubt. The quicker picker up er strong too. Denzel.
Let me ask you about the Browns.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I mean, you guys have a tremendous defense, But man,
when I watched that game against Houston.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I mean, I know there was a lot of turnovers
that put the defense in tough spots as well, But
just talk about your defense and you know, expectations for
next year.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
Uh yeah, So are you talking specifically on the Houston game?
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Yeah, just just Houston. I mean that was that was
a tough, tough way to go out of playoff.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Yeah, it was tough. I mean, we had high expectations
for ourselves and we didn't meet those expectations come game
did against Houston. Houston played a great game, and unfortunately
we weren't. We weren't able to get it done. I mean,
uh so we just got to come back ready to
play next year and fix those mistakes that we had
happened in that Houston game and be better for next year.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
How about the division, the AFC North is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mean, it's really really chot football.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
Difension in football bar none. And uh you know, I
feel like the guys you're coming out I always have
a great chance of winning it at all, but you
gotta you gotta go through you know, the trenches, uh,
to the team make it the playoffs. And that's what
I like. It prepared you for anything else you see
in the season.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
How about Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson, you know got off
to a slow start. Good catch there, got hand you
could have been a tight end. Did you see that
he didn't fumble it been waiting on my very nice
But but to Shawan, you know, got off to a
slowest start that most people thought and then kind of
going and then wound up getting injured. So you got
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to see maybe he can get back to where he
was when he's with the Texans or closer to that.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
How big would that be for your team?
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Denzel oh Man, that's gonna be huge. We know what
type of player DeShawn is, and I mean he showed
flashes of that during the season. Like I said before,
he got hurt and hurt the shoulder. But just being
able to get him back and get him healthy, I
mean that's gonna be huge in our success next year.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
He still hasn't gotten no to that point where he's
gotten like a real groove where he was one hundred
percent feeling healthy, you know, gotten into the like the
rhythm of the game, like there's there's always been something
where he's you know, it's coming back from no time
off or like dealing with the shoulder, there's always been
something that's pulling him back. So when once he gets
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his groove during next season, it's really gonna be scared.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
All right.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
We got about thirty seconds ago. I watch a Super
Bowl prediction and will you watch the game? You know
how many former football football players I know and I'm
not in it.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I don't watch the Super Bowl. Are you watching the game?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Damn right?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
No, damn right, you not watching? That's what I a
you watch it.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
I'm gonna be wherever Miles is in some wings, all right.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Who you got? Who's winning? Mister cheef big or tight?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Tight?
Speaker 7 (24:13):
I got the Niners.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Niners, my man. I'm with you on the Niners, all right,
appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Miles, Garrett and Denzel Ward from the Cleveland Browns join
us here on The Odd Couple and Shekel City is next.
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Speaker 1 (25:53):
Last night was the NFL Honors and to no one's surprised,
Lamar Jackson won his second MVP in couch.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
We talked about it about being like could it be unanimous?
Remember we talked about.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That, right, and he was close forty nine out of
the fifty votes. The one other first class or first
place vote went to Josh Allen, and so he did
not win unanimous. Now he is already Lamar, He and
Tom Brady are the only quarterbacks or players ever to
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be unanimous MVPs. But Lamar would have become the first
rob to do it twice. So he just missed out.
I mean, look, obviously he's still happy he's an MVP,
and MVP is MVP, right, but he did miss out
on that honor, which could have been another feather in
his cap.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Rob G. Do we know anything about the voter?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Because I know some people were ripping him saying he
was a homer and he probably covered Buffalo and all that.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
But this isn't that isn't true about this guy, right.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
No, it is not.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
It is Aaron Shatz, and he had previously worked for ESPN.
He's most well known though, as being the guy who
basically founded and created DVOA, which is the newest analytics
driven metric that all of the you know, smart people
on TV and then these NFL Locker was referenced. So
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instead of saying, oh, so and so is good against
the run, but you know, they've only played good competition,
So DVOA is the thing that kind of really measures
that sort of thing, and Pro Football Focus uses a
lot too as.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
A way to gauge their scoring system.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
So when it became public that he was the only
one of fifty voters to not have Lamar Jackson as MVP,
he had Josh Allen, he went on his website. He
works now for a website called FTN Fantasy, a brand
new analytics based website, and he posted a column explaining
why he didn't pick Lamar jack Here's what he said.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I'm a stat guy. I'm gonna look at stats.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
There's no question by nearly every advanced metric you can
look at, Josh Allen and Dak Prescott had better seasons
than Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And then he went on.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Continued that according to DVOA as a per play calculation,
Lamar Jackson was sixth amongst quarterbacks, well behind Josh Allen
who was second, Brock Purty, who was first. And then
he even added and elaborated later on Twitter with a
post which I actually agree with. This part says, I'll
admit I'm confused about other voters who had Dak Prescott
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and brock Purty as first Team All Pro, but not MVP.
If you're MVP, don't you have to be first Team
All Pro?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Rob G what do you have the voting numbers on?
How we know Lamar was first Team All Pro? But
what he's saying is Lamar didn't get ninety.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Eight forty five of fifty for All Pro.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Oh he's still got forty five.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
So to party and Dak's party and one went to John,
why did they vote for him?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Right?
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Why it should have been the same exact But but see,
this is the problem I have with the stat guy.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It's not just stats.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
It's it's not it's gotta be it's more than just stats,
and it's your effect on the game, your impact. We
talk about Lebron all the time, Chris right like, the
stats are great, but does he have the same impact
Lebron hasn't been up for m v P. What a
couple of years ago he let the league and assist
right like, like, there's more to it than just looking
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at stats. And I get it, it should be a
piece of it. But to me is when it's that
overwhelming and one sided, you miss something, that's all. And
I think he cheated us out of something in the NFL,
with Lamar being unanimous for a second time, the only
player to do it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I do feel that I thought that was the same thing.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
And and thank god he's not like from Buffalo or
there's no story, backstory.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Chris, because that was what year we saw that with
those who go over Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Remember Aaron Judge to Aaron Judge. Remember the two writers, right,
anaheigh right?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
And that is not that show he's not worthy, But
there was something that like the only two players, the
only two writers who voted for him were hometown guys.
That's what made it feel a little dirty or so soil.
And and I'm glad that he this wasn't the case
for him. But to say, I'm a stats guy, and
even in his stats, Chris, here's where I pushed back.
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So if brock Party was number one on his thing,
why did he vote for Josh Allen?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
He said that, didn't he say that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
But I don't think he's saying I only go by No,
I'm just saying, but what would be the difference?
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Brock Perty is on a team that made the playoffs
and and had I.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Think he said Josh Allen was second.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Josh was second. Course. Here's what I.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Think, you know, I believe that Lamar should have been
the m v P and deserved it, and I'm glad
he got it.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
He was so far in a way better than everybody
else that he had to be unanimous. So I've got
no problem with this guy voting for someone else. And
Josh Allen I think, had like twenty more touchdowns than
Lamar or something like that, and you can't say joh
I mean Josh Allen. Then here's where maybe you want
to push back on the guy Rob. Josh Allen's numbers
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weren't terrific late in the season when they made that run.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Straight, he had less touchdowns he was.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
To be honest, he was playing a lot like Lamar.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I mean he was scoring more because he had like
six touchdowns in the last in the five game win
streak to get six rushing touchdowns, but he had and
he only had five passing ones. So I'll give you that.
My point is just that I can see how somebody
would vote for Josh, or vote for Dak, or even
(32:00):
vote for brock Perty or Christian McCaffrey like I and
Lamar's numbers is.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
What I said yesterday. I think like I said, I
think he was MVP.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I think his impact on the game was incredible, and
watching it, it was just it just jumped out on
the screen from you. Josh Allen did the same thing.
And if one guy, that's why you have multiple voters.
If there are guys that are gonna lean more towards
the stats and the analytics, there are guys that are
gonna lean more toward the eye test, then other guys
(32:31):
that are old school, then guys that are new school.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It just that's why you have a number of voters,
and it may not end up unanimous like that. I
mean again, it's only happened twice where it was unanimous,
but at least you feel like you got the right
guy when you have a variety of viewpoints and then
you go with the guy that got the most vote.
So look, Greg Jennys was on First Things First with
(32:54):
us to day. He was like, look, Lamar, don't care,
he's MVP.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
No, that's what it matters. I agree with that sentiment.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
I just think when it is of that ill Chris,
you got to look back if it was forty five
to five or whatever, that we wouldn't be having a conversation.
But when forty nine, you know how hard it is
to get forty nine or get that many people to vote.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
You just mentioned four guys.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
People thought Christian McCaffrey all year was in the running,
right he wasn't people like like when it came down
to it, and it tells you about.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Chris Well, he was running.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
No, no, no, I meant that he didn't get a vote,
is what I'm saying. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Our first place vote. But here I think, but this
does bring up an interesting point. If I'm a voter,
like I think it's just the guy who's the MVP
has got to be first team All Pro, Like I
couldn't vote for a player to be the MVP of
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the NBA where I'm an official voter, And yeah, he
don't even make my first team All NBA. So that's
what the guys point out, Like I'm the only one
being singled out, and he was the only voter in
this case. But he's saying, there were four other guys
that voted for Party or Dak, and why didn't they vote.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
For Party or Dak? Me the MVP?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
You know what I'm saying like that, that's a little odd.
I remember once, well, when I think there's too I
think there's a difference.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
I think if you talk about all pro and being
great at your position and your stats or your numbers,
if you talk about Dak Prescott and what he did,
but impact on winning and and being winning the big games,
beating the best teams like all those other things, is
where MVP comes in. So I can see what you
can look and say Dak had by far his best season,
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or or Josh Allen had twenty more touchdowns and as
a quarterback he was one of the best quarterbacks. But
if I'm talking about who had the most impact of
their team, I'm saying it was Lamar, who wins seventy
five percent of the game. Baltimore had the best record
in the league. They beat there was seven out of
eight against the best teams that went to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Like you could make a case.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
No, I just don't see how that's different. Like I said,
I'm just saying you on Lamar winning it despite the
numbers not being you know, Rob gu But I'm just saying, like,
I don't see how you vote Lamar MVP but you
don't voting first team All Pro?
Speaker 6 (35:27):
I guess, Rob, just to clarify, so what you're saying
and I'm asking right now, so like when they do
NFL Offensive Player of the Year, if a guy is
an MVP and he's an offensive player, how is he
not offensive player.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Because of the stats?
Speaker 8 (35:40):
That?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Right? So what you're saying that is when it comes.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
To that, you know that's do you know why they
do that?
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (35:46):
But when you're saying all Pro, is that something similar
where it's like it's less about the winning and just yes,
it's about you.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
It's about you and your position. Whereas I think when
you talk about m vps and.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
This is why intangible stuff they need.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
This is Chris, you could have lights out numbers and
if your team finishes in the last place, you're not
gonna win the m v P.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Like you know, you're also in motion my first team
All Pro?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
No, but but unless you have like crazy stats and
you still don't win.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
When I would think that most voters put the two together.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
And Rob G I think your analogy I don't agree with.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I was trying to clarify with. I get what you're saying, but.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You know, like the only reason they have Offensive Player
of the Year is to give it to the nine
quarterback who was the great.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
Oh even Lamar got votes for Offensive Player of the
Year though.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, I mean that's where you know, and and there's
no set criteria with these things, you know, which can
make it better or it can make it worse, depending
on your viewpoint.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
But yeah, I mean I hear you.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
You could you would think you could win both, you know,
but it's just kind of become a point where they
give the offensive player a year award to the guy
that was an non quarterback who's the best offense.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
So, Chris, what are your thoughts then on the guys
who did not vote Lamar for All Pro but ultimately
did voting for MVP. I think dan Or Lobsky may
have said, even publicly on on ESPN this morning, that
he was one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I don't understand the LOGI.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Had a different player for All Pro and then ended
up voting for what was his logic.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I didn't get to watch the whole clip.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I just maybe they were voting at different points of
the season too, you know, I don't know, but I
don't I don't.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
That's hard if you'd have more of an issue with
something like that than you would with Aaron Shatz in
this case sticky to his guns and.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
No, I mean, look, the numbers is what is paying
his bill, so I get where he's gonna go. And
to be fair, there are a lot of teams that
operate based on those numbers, so I think it's good
to have guys in there like that.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
It's just it's just if it's two, three, five, it
changes the conversation when it's that close, and so many
pick him and it's just one guy. You do, look
at it when Derek Jeter that was the other one
you were thinking of, Chris, when Gita got in the
Hall of Fame and he want one vote, so you say,
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who didn't vote for Derek Jeta?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Well you know why they do that?
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Just I don't know how they determine it, right, Rob,
But it's like we don't want to let anybody be unanimous.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
But it's ridiculous. Mario except Mariano rivera right bro. And
Derekjita played every day.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Chris, he was a player than Mario. R Mario, No,
I'm not, but it's it's they.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Played every day and as the sixth most hits in
Major League Baseball hit and somebody didn't vote for him.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Well, we always talk about who didn't vote for Hank Aaron, right,
we may vote for Babe Ruth Right.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
They weren't unanimous, all right?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
It's the ODE couple Chris and Rob uh eight seven
seven ninety nine on fix simple question, should Lamar Jackson
have been in a unanimous MVP? And do you have
an issue with the guy that didn't vote for him
based on analytics?
Speaker 4 (39:06):
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