February 13, 2024 • 43 mins
Rob Parker and Kerry Rhodes debate if Kyle Shanahan is on the way out as the 49er's HC and if the organization should go to Bill Belichick after another Super Bowl loss! Next, the guys debate if the Kansas City Chiefs can be considered a dynasty after winning back-to-back Super Bowls! Finally, is Patrick Mahomes better then Terry Bradshaw?? All that and more on the Best of The Odd Couple!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yo yo yo, yo yo.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Welcome into a trash Talk Tuesday. We're on The Odd
Couple Rob Parker along with Kerrie Road. That's right in
for Chris Brusard and ma'am.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
We're broadcasting live from the tire Rack dot Com studio Live.
We will Bill, We'll do it live and man, we
got so much to do, so little time. Again, Try
talking Tuesday. Chris is out carry Roads, perfect guy to
come in to kind of mop up on the super
Bowl and we'll talk some other stuff coming up in
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the program. Eat from Salam. He'll join us in about
thirty minutes. At the bottom of the hour, we'll get
his take on some stuff old in Polonies. The former
NBA VET Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst, he joins us
an hour number two and our number three it's Trolling
or Rolling with Martin Weiss and that's coming up in
the third hour. But Kerry is broadcasting live from the
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Fox Sports Radio studios in Sherman Oaks, California. And I'm
on the campus of USC where I teach baseball writing.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Oh wow, how's that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh yeah, And I'm here broadcasting from USC today.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Carry what's up my man? How you man? I'm doing well? Man.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
When I was hearing the introduction, I was like, I'm
neither one of those guys, so I felt a little
taken aback. But you know what, I'm here, I'm in
the studio. I'm holding it down for Chris and you
know how it goes.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
You know, always love to be here with you guys
on the Odd Couple. It's a great time to come
out and talk some ball and talk life and talk
everything in between. So I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
No doubt, man, we will have absolutely fantastic show. First,
let's welcome in the Odd Couple crew, because we wouldn't
be able to do this fine radio program without him.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Rob g is out.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Shay is our producer today, Alex of course is our
engineer as always, and I low Isaac Lohenkron is at
the anchor desk, and of course Elijah, our social media guru,
is manning the social media world.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And yes, I just want you to know. My video.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
About saying that Kyle Shanahan should be fired went crazy.
You hear me, Carrie went crazy of course after the
super Bowl and another double digit choke job by kyleana Ham.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
But let's start here because you know where I stand. Carry.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I think he should be five And I know people
go crazy.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
You get good super Bowl twice in that four years.
That's how they say it. Yeah, that's how they say.
It doesn't sound.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That's what it sounds like to me, Carrie when I'm
hearing it, you know, But I say to myself, yes
you can, Yes you can carry. Sometimes you take the
unknown over the known. And what I mean by that
is what we know. Kyle Shanahan is a choker. We
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know that you don't know who's gonna come behind him.
Oh you know, you can't get who you're gonna replace
him with, and they won't be able to win the
forty nine ers or at least contenders every year with
Kyle share he's a genius. Yeah, that is too easy
to stick with what you know even though you know
you won't get there. You know what, Rob, I'll say
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this about you. You're you're consistent about that that take.
I mean, I remember you saying something earlier about Dak Prescotten, right, like,
we know what he is, that's who he's been in
the playoffs. He's not going to get it done. Move on, right,
like you've said that before.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So I know that this isn't some like super super
hot take for you, but I'll say this, I Kyle
Sanenhan is one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
He reminds me.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Of of of Andy Reid, you know, like Andy Reid
had those moments where he kept making it to the
to the NFC Championship game, he was winning, he had success,
and we were like, we don't know if this guy
can ever get it done. He got to a point
where he got the man at quarterback, Patrick Mahomes that
put him over the hump now right, and so now
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people are saying, oh my god, he might be one
of the best coaches of all time. It just depends
on if you get that guy. Because Kyle Shanahan obviously
is super talented. We know he is an offensive he
is he's a genius on that side of the ball.
And you know, I think as a head coach, obviously,
there are so many other things that come into play.
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It comes, you know, situational football circumstances, players, player management,
all these things are intertwined. And being a genius at
your perspective coordinator position, right like to be the head
coach you have, there's a lot of things that come
into play. If you get that guy at quarterback, which
he has not had yet, party is good. But we
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don't know if he's Patrick Mahomes and he's never going
to be that. But we don't know if he's that guy.
But if he if he had Patrick Mahomes, you don't
think he's won a couple of championships by now. No,
But see, here's where I'm gonna put Here's where I'm
gonna push back.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Coach.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
First of all, Andy Weid, they got rid of Andy
Reid and Philip he didn't win in Philadelphia, So Kyle
Shenahan might win, but he could do it somewhere else.
Kyle Shanahan, you can't go like, oh, well, he doesn't
have the quarterback. That's why he hasn't won. He's had
double digit leads and three Super Bowls. So he was
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good enough to get you to the fourth quarter with
seven minutes to go and a double digit lead. So
that's not like, oh, his offense is a movie. He
have a quarterback. No, he's not making the right calls
to close the games. All he is is Marty Schottenheimer
with a better haircut.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
What you call them Marty shot and Marty.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Schottenheimer got run out of San Diego for the same
exact thing.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
He couldn't get you over the hump.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Marv Levy, the Buffalo Bills coach, is ninety eight years old,
and you know what he's probably saying to himself, I'm
finally off the hook.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
And this guy lost four straight Super Bowls and he's saying,
my god, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I'm finally off the whole. He's not off the he's
not off the hook yet. I mean, mar Marv lost
four in a row. That's that's you know, that's that's
that's pretty intense. And he had Jim Kelly, and you
had Thrman Thomas, and he had Cornelio's Bennett and he
had a lot of he had a lot, he had
a lot of win and they did not win. Yeah,
but they didn't. They wrote him out for four consecutive
you know what I mean, Like, that's that's patience, and
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that's believing in the guy that you have. And I
know that they believe in Kyle Shanahan and and and
you know it's you're right, like there's there's no debt
in what you're saying and and and the facts that
are on the table. But again, you let him go.
And I know we were talking about bringing somebody else in.
I'll let you lead into that, but I don't think
that guy is a guy. But I'll let you lead
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into that, into that, uh, into that conversation.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And here's the other thing. All right, So you got
all that. Yeah, we've seen teams do this before. I'll
give you the perfect example. Tony Dungee couldn't get over
the top with Tampa Bay. He had a great team. Defensively,
they were unbelievable. They could not win and get to
the super Bowl. Guess what they did. Oh, yeah, they
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fired Tony Dungee and hired John Gruden. And guess what
they won? They won the next year with Tony Dungee's team.
So here's my big plan. You ready, yep, Fire Kyle
Shanahan and hire Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
He's sitting there. He will get you over the top.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Bill Belichick is the way for the forty nine ers
to finally win again. It's been forever since they won
a Super Bowl. Bill Belichick is sitting there. He knows
how to win, he knows how to close games out.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's why it's worth making the move. I hear you.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I understand that perfectly fine, and it's a it would
be I don't think anybody would be upset at that, right,
I just for me personally when I see Bill Belichick,
and I called it when he got fired. I said,
he's not going to get a job this year. There's
no team that would take him. Obviously, those positions were
open and the only team that really interviewed him was Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So, there's a moment when you become you're over the
heel as a coach. You cannot connect, you can't connect
to the players. Relationships are you know, few and far between.
A lot of those, a lot of the solid relationships
that he had are gone. Those guys are older and
moved on. And you know, even the players are at
the point now where they're getting head coaching jobs where
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you know the coach that took over for him was
one of his former players, right. I think there's a
time for coaches like that who are legendary to move
on also because they don't connect with the younger generation.
And I just don't see Bill Belichick being that answer
for those guys. I mean, think about San Francisco. Those
guys are running out to the games with big boom
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boxes on their shoulders and gold chains, and it's a
whole different generation that it's over Bill Belichick's head, and
I just don't see it working. I understand the x's
and those, and he's a winner, but I just don't
see him being able to immerse himself in the locker
room like that and win.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I don't know how you could take a look at
Bill Belichick with the team that's put together and not
think that he could get them over the hump. Bill
Belichick is known for defense. The reason that they haven't
been able to win is a they don't run the
ball when you need it, and their defense is giving
up double digit leads in the final ten minutes. Final
seven minutes of three Super bowls. Bill Belichick is the
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right guy. You can't be afraid to hold on because
you know how football is carry that at some point
that nucleus guys move on. People get you know, you
think you got ten years to make a run. You don't.
Your run might be might be over before you know it.
So you need to capitalize on it. And the one
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thing that Kyle Shanahan has proven is that he can't
get it done. This isn't an overreaction to one chance
or one opportunity at the Super Bowl. This is now
three chances, one as an offensive coordinator where he blew
a twenty five point lead in the second half, and
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two other where he had a ten point lead, dominating
the game, went away from the run, and didn't know
how to close the game. I'm convinced now more than
ever that Kyle Shanahan will never and eva win a
Super Bowl, not with this team, not with this team.
In this situation, he might have to be Andy Wee
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go somewhere else and have Patrick.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Mahomes fall into your lap and then maybe you might win.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But if it's about Kyle Shanahan making the right moves,
I have zero confidence in him at this point.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I do carry I would not keep him.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I hear you, no, I mean, and the proof is
what it is. He hasn't won, he's blown leaves. All
those things you're saying are true. So I get it.
I understand people that would even back you on that.
I just I'm a patient guy. And again you said
it right though. The NFL isn't patient. So we'll see.
We'll see what they decide. But I think he can
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get it done. And you know, obviously, you know with
that core, if they can bring them all back. I
know Brandon Andyuku is already campaigning to get out of there.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
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Speaker 3 (12:45):
Where are you? Am? I crazy? Am I a sugar nough?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Should the forty nine ers fire Kyle Shanahan and hire
Bill Belichick if they want to win a Super Bowl?
Bill might come in and win next year. They're already
the favorite. How about that?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Bill?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
How manute get this thing done?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I can't believe you're talking about Bill Belichick though, Rob,
that's the that one just I just he might cheat
and win. We know that that's another proven fact, but
I just don't see it.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I think his time is as the guy is over man.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
We'll see, but I don't think he's going to get
another head coaching job here.
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For a possible return of Belichick in the US of A.
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Yo, Yo, Yo, our number two on a trash Talking Tuesday.
Don't forget coming up in about forty minutes, your chance
to trash anyone anything in the world of sports, and
we won't interrupt you. You'll be able to have your say.
So you want to jump in. We're broadcasting live from
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Roads in for Chris Brussard carrying our Sherman Oaks, California Studios.
I'm at usc where I'm my associate professor. That's what
they call me now, not even an adjunct associate professor.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Can you imagine me molding the young minds of journalists
coming up?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Hey, of course I can. That's what you've done your
whole life. Man means, yeah, since you were a kid,
Why why wouldn't Why wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
You you know?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I mean I wanted to be a sportswriter carry since
I was nine years old.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Incredible, that's crazy, like it is, I really did I
know people. Oh yeah, I know I couldn't play, but
I'm just saying I did. That was the job I
thought I wanted my whole life.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
So as a kid, you you were just fascinated with
storytelling or were you fascinated with, you know, the behind
the scenes, getting the access what's more? Which excited you more?
This is a true story. When I was in second grade,
I was seven years old. My teacher, Miss Noble, I
went to PS fifty in Jamaica, Queens. She pulled me
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aside from the rest of the class carry and she said, Robert.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
When you grow up, you should be a writer. You're
an excellent writer. Can you imagine a teacher wow, identifying
you at seven years old and putting that nugget in
the back of my head? Carrie, I swear, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Though?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
At those tender ages that's seven eight nine, it's very important.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Those teachers are the ones you remember too.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yes, I remember that conversation and then the fast forward
one more quick one.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
So I go to Columbia Journalism.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
School, right, and then I have another teacher, Professor Joanna Lee,
and she pulled me aside, Carrie, and I was young.
I was about twenty four years old, a couple of
years in the business, getting my masters, and she told
me that I was way more experienced than my other
classmates and that she needed more from me. She was
a small Asian woman. She came up behind me telling
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me this speech about that I need to do more.
She pretended like she had a knife in her hand.
I swear to Terry, and she stuck it in my
back and she said, you know what I need from you, Rob,
I need you to stick the knife in, turn it.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
And draw blood.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And I swear to you it was that that turned
me into the writer that I am.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I'm not even kidding you. That's what she told me.
So attempted murder was the thing that got you over
the house.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Unbelievable, unbelievable, stick the knife in, turn it and draw blood.
This woman was barely up to my waist, you know
what I mean. And she was giving me one of
those pep talks. All right, let's go here, Cary. You're
gonna get back to the NFL in the third hour,
but let's do some NBA. Yes, And I know you're
a Dallas Mavericks fan, I am, but Luca danci Man
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people aren't feeling him players and maybe they don't want
to play with him. I mean, this is stuff that's
going out a Shay as our producer today, Rob G's off, Shaye,
what do you have? You have some details right of
some NBA players who kind of like saying some bad
stuff about Luca.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, So the two things came out today, but I'll
go over the first one first. So Grant Williams made
his hornet's debut on Saturday night against the Grizzlies after
getting traded from the MAVs. After the game, Williams actually
took some shots at his former teammate Luka Doncic. In
his postgame press conference, Williams stated, it's great to win,
to get a win for the city and really play
for the jerseys that's across your chest and not the
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one on your back. So I was fortunate to be
part of a team that's really wanted to win. It
was super exciting. The play style was fun. Everybody touched
the ball. We trusted one another, a team that had
never played with each other or practiced with one another.
Every single person seemed like they had each other's back.
So a lot of shots right there, But he.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Did anybody follow up on that, like, like, you know,
once you throw that out there.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Not somebody's back. I mean, if you're a reporter sitting there,
you gotta go, who are you talking about? Yeah? What
do you mean? Yeah? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, no, no no. So I haven't seen if anyone
followed up on the question itself, but in the article
that I'm reading, that's what I see. But I'll follow
up in that question and I'll see. But he wasn't
the actual only one to kind of send shots his
way on Tuesday. Well, these aren't necessarily shots. But on Tuesday,
Wizards forward Kyle Kuzma revealed to The Athletic that he
was presented with a trade that would actually have sent
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him to Dallas, but he decided he would rather stay
in Washington. He was asked why he wanted to remain
with the Wizards instead of joining the Mavericks. Kuzma answered,
in my career, I won a championship, So I understand
that when we play this game of basketball, it's not
about contending for a playoff spot. It's about contending for
an NBA championship. There's only like three or four contenders,
true contenders. I just feel like our timelines didn't add up.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Wow, that sounds to me carry like he didn't want
to play with uh Luca, Like, uh yeah, and we
gotta we gotta admit and you know this, he's a
different type of player.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Needs the basketball.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yes, that's just yeah. And but I don't know, and
you watch them, that's your team. Yeah, if they will
ultimately be able to win with the guy dominating the
basketball that much. Last year when they got Kyrie, they
didn't even make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
The thing about Dallas, and I'm gonna I'm gonna preference
preference this by saying Lucas, in my opinion that the
MVP of the league right now, he's playing, He's.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Playing everybody and how the only people I think they
have the joker again, don't they?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And the probably probably, but you know, we got some
time left. But just the way he's playing, even defending,
which has been his knock forever, he's putting effort on
that end. He's playing well. But I'll say this about Dallas,
the brand of basketball that they play. Number one, it's boring.
We know what we're gonna see every week. I mean
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every game they're gonna run high pick and roll. He's
gonna make every play. He's gonna make every pass. And
if you're a role player going to that situation, you
have to be a specific type of role player. You
gotta be a role player that number one knows that,
and you're a dead eye shooter because he's trying to
spoons feed everything. And so as a role player, you're
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seven eight shots. If you have an off game, you know,
if you're one for eight, that's a terrible game, right,
But if you're a hit three more of those shots,
you're four for eight, and that's a great day. But
if you're not a knockdown shooter, and you're a streaky
shooter like most guys in the league are, if you're
not involved in the play, if you're not touching the ball,
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if you're not cutting, you're not moving, you're not in rhythm,
you're not going to knock those shots down consistently. And
so then you know, if you're going to that situation
like a Kuzma, somebody that can make his own play,
he's gonna want to be involved. He's gonna want to
touch the ball. They had a guy in Christops Porzingis
when he was there. Obviously, playing All Star level basketball
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and bass and because he's involved.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
He wasn't involved in well evolved.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
And that's and that's the only issue with Luca, and
that's the only issue with any type of player that
plays that way. We can go back to James Harden,
he could never win it because players are not going
to be in rhythm. You can go to Luca Dantis. Now,
you can go even with Luca's teammate right now, Kyrie.
Kyrie is one of the best isolation guys as well.
But if you're not getting guys touches and moving the
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ball and actually being in rhythm, players aren't going to
want to play with you. And I think that's kind
of what we're having happen right now.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, it's pretty interesting. I did find that story. There's
a straw poll about NBA insiders and they do have
the joker now that embat is hurt as the leading
to win his third MVP. You remember last year they
kind of you know.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Little controversy.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah, it was controversial because they didn't want him to
win three in a row and then he wound up
going to the postseason and having an unbelievable postseason.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
One it looked like the MVP. Didn't he Yes, he did,
oh for sure. Yeah. I mean you can give it
to him every year if you want.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, I mean twenty six and a half points, twelve
point two rebounds and a nine assists. I mean what yeah,
I mean he's killing it. But anyway, I guess my
point is with Lucas, it's one of those things you
might want. And I know they went to the Western
Conference Finals a couple of years ago, right, and then
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they got blown out in Game seven or whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But if you're Luca, do you understand that.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
You can't or won't be able to win if you
continue to play that way? Do you know like this
is like this is how he's effective right by having
the basketball. Yes, but you're trying to win a championship,
so which something has to give?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Think about it, Rob, Right, we go back to the
Jordan days when he was the one that was trying
to make every play by himself, without the scheme, without
the triangle. They did not win when they implemented an
offense where people he actually gives the ball up, he
gets to a spot if he catches it in the triangle.
Obviously you're gonna go to him in the clutch and
go two moments. But you got to get other guys
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involved to win.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
But if you remember in the last dance, and I
thought it was awesome, they had the video.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Michael gave up the ball. It wasn't.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It wasn't because he was afraid to shoot at the end,
Like that's what the lebron feilt like?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And on that viato, I remember watching it and he
went to Steve Kerr and said be ready. Yes, he
didn't go, oh my god, it's hot potato. I don't
want to take this.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
He told Steve Kerr.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Before the play, and still in confidence, am I right,
be ready, I'm gonna throw you the ball.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's gonna be open. Make this shot that you gotta
trust your teammates, man, you have to trust your teammates.
He knew Steve Kerr would be open. Steve Kerr made
a big shot and John Paxson made a big shot
for the Bulls, and both were the same exact situations.
And that's what I'm wondering. If you, Dallas, you got
this talented.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Superstar, yes, yeah, but are you gonna win?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
You're not gonna win that way, Rob, I don't care
who it is. I mean we've seen it. I mean,
James Harden, we can talk about how bad he is now,
and well, he's not bad now, he's still playing well,
but how demanding the trades and all these things, and
how he's played out the last couple of years. But
James Harden and his prime, he's doing the same thing
Luca was doing right now. I mean Luca's I think
a little better, but he was doing the same thing.
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He was getting them to the Western Conference finals or whatever,
and he would flame out. You can't win with that
style of play. He has to trust those guys more
and they have to put more variants in their offense.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, that's gonna be interesting going forward, and just how
this team comes together, because at first they thought when
they got Kyrie, they're off and running, and then to
not make the playoffs last year was pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, that was bad. They were injured. It was a
lot of things going on last year. Rob with those guys,
it was it wasn't just you know, everything to do
with m Yeah, chemistry, he was in and out. He's
a little hurt. Luca was a little hurt down the stretch.
Luca was a little over I mean out of shape
down the stretch. Yet last year as well.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I'm surprised for you with an athlete of that caliber.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
He comes in and when you see him, the first
thing you want to do is push your finger into
his stomach.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I mean, that's just well, you know what, you know
what it is. It was one of those things where
he was injured, so he couldn't even do as much
cardio and and get in shape as much. It's more
he had to preserve his body, and so it was
like a balance. It was just it was a lot
of things last year. But this year he's looking good,
he's in shape, plan well, but you're not gonna win
a championship that way.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, it's it's a it's a weird situation to be
in because you can't totally change him, right, Like, you
can't you can't ask him to do something else.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
You're gonna have to find a way to get him
to do something else. And again, he can post up,
he can do all these things, rob you know what
I mean, Like he can get in the post and
he can be effective that way as well. He can
be off the ball, but he's not a spot up shooter.
So you know you're gonna take the ball out of
your best player hands to be a spot up shooter.
Sometimes I think, yes, I think he has to be
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a decoy song for them to win. But it's gonna
be a hard ask for somebody that's young and in
his prime the way he is.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
All Right, coming up next, I still don't think the
Chiefs are a dynasty. We'll see what Carrie thinks if
they're a dynasty. Already I have my own definition of
a dynasty and it ain't the Kansas City Chiefs, so
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on the program and carry you as a defensive player.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yep, you know how this goes? Like the quarterback gets
all the attention. Yeah, I mean it's over the top.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You even said like Chris Jones could have been the
MVP of the Super.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Bowl, right said that? Yeah, but Aphram, but but you
get My point is that they never looked that way.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I still remember, and I brought it up earlier when
the Patriots beat the Rams, I mean the last time,
right for the sixth Super Bowl. The Rams had Jared Goff.
They average right like thirty five points a game. They
scored three points in that Super Bowl and the MVP
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who it went to a wide receiver who was it
for the Patriots. I'm just forgetting his name. What was it,
Wes Welker or who's the other one, Edelman?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Edelman?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, Edelman had no touchdow in the game, and he
got the MVP as a wide receiver instead of looking
for defensive players that shut down a potent offense. Right,
they went from thirty five points a game to three
points in the Super Bowl. Okay, so here we go.
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But now I'm talking about quarterbacks, and we know Patrick
Mahomes has had a great.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Career so far. Right, there's no debate there. I'm not
even sitting here.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I'm not trying to tear down anything that he's done.
But when it comes to Super Bowls, people talk about
all the time, don't bet against Patrick Mahomes. And I
get he's won three Super Bowls, but the numbers don't
match up for what people talk about.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Okay, if I told you.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
That out of twelve quarterbacks who have gone to multiple
Super Bowls, where would you think Patrick Mahomes's quarterback rating
would be? Where would he be in the twelve quarterbacks
who have gone to multiple Super Bowls?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Well, right now, the emphasis you're putting on that multiple
I would say he's probably eight on that list. How
about twelfth, He's twelfth on that list, twelfth on the list.
Earlier I talked about Terry Bradshaw. Terry Bradshaw won four
Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Right, Yes, people look at Terry Bradshaw's like it was
all about the Steelers defense.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Still Curtain, Steve Curtain.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Terry Bradshaw was good, He was okay. He wasn't the
stir that stirred the drink, you know what I mean,
or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
His numbers.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Nine touchdowns, four interceptions, a quarterback rating of one twelve
point eight. Wow, okay, okay, Patrick Mahomes across four super Bowls,
Terry Bradshaw was four and zero and won two MVPs.
Patrick Mahomes seven touchdowns, five interceptions, a passer rating of
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eighty five point two. He's three and one and he
has super bowls and all three right the MVPs. How
surprised are you when you hear these kind of numbers?
Because the noise and the talk, and I get it,
winning covers everything. Nobody cares he threw the game winning touchdown,
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forget that he was bad for the first three quarters, right,
you know what I mean? It's about winning, and I
think that's what glosses people over when you.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Think about it.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
But I don't think anybody would believe that Terry Bradshaw's
numbers are better than Patrick.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I definitely didn't believe that. I remember when I saw
the the breakdown before the show, I was like, Terry Bradshaw, right,
you know what I mean, I'm like, oh, this is
going to be interesting. But then you said the numbers.
And obviously, again Steelers defense was so good at that time,
so you know that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
We knew that.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But I'm definitely surprised by the numbers that Terry Bradshaw
put up. I would I would be remiss to to,
you know, kind of leave that out and leave out
Franko Harris and that offensive line and all the things,
the weapons that he had at that time as well,
you know, uh, star War not Stalwart, the receiver, Craigan,
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thank you, Swan likely had guys definitely surprised by Patrick
Mahomes numbers. I mean, you know, and you know I've
told you before. I mean, being a guest on your show,
you know who might goat Super Bowl quarterbacks and it's
not even close. I mean even exactly so even I
mean this is my issue too.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, like they want to leap frog over Joe Montana,
I know, and say that Mahomes is chasing Brady.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I know he's three and one. Montana was four and oher.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
You know what his quarterback rating, what's one twenty seven
point eight. Mahomes is eighty five. And they say he's
better than Joe Montana.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh it's not even close. I mean even with even
before you said we were having this segment. I mean,
I've had these talks about people trying to anoint him
as the goat.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Already.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Sure, he's the goat as far as talent, he's the
most talented quarterback that we've seen. That. I think that's
I mean that comes without any question, right, I think
for even the non believers at this point, like you
can see the guy he's special. But when you talk
about being the goat and you have the numbers to
back it up the way you just backed it up,
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I mean, there's no way he's better than even Joe
Montana at this point as far as Super super Bowls go.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I think we are such prisoners of the moment. Whatever
happened yesterday or Sunday is the best thing that we've
ever seen. I hear people say it all the time.
We've never seen this, never seen that. Joe Montana eleven
touchdowns and no picks. When I just tell you, that's
five picks, that's five picks and four super bowls Montana
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had zero picks. Didn't they say, well, they are Jerry Rice.
Well he won two Super Bowls with Jerry Rice and
two without Jerry Rice. Yes, okay, he also won three
MVPs in those four super Bowls, and which is all impressive.
But here's the other one. Two of those super Bowls,
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he needed a touchdown to win the game.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
He needed a touchdown. So when I just.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Look at some of these things, this is not about
tearing down Patrick Mahoon.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
And that's it. It's not.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
It's about honoring what Joe Montana was able to accomplish
in a rougher situation for a quarterback carry.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
When you used to be able to ring.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
You could a quarterback's head, yes, and now if you
touch a guy a pie, it's fifteen yards. Like you
could stand in the pocket and not worry about it
for the you know, for the most part, unlike what
those guys played for.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Rob These kids have no idea.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I mean people were when you talk about getting killed
on the field, and I'm not saying that word or nothing, No,
I know what you're talking about, but like getting destroyed
on the field like you were Lawrence Taylor going after Montana.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Go look at the film. They are ripping you up.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
And so all those wide open lanes, those receivers not
being scared to be hit across the middle, like that
stuff didn't exist in that day. If you catch the
ball across the middle, you're getting You're getting your butt
knocked out, You're getting tattooed. You're getting tattooed. It's glorified
seven on seven now. And that's still not to take
away from Patrick Mahomes, but it's a different era.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
But look at the names. You're ready super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Let's with multiple Super Bowl So it's Montana, Jim Plunkett,
his was one twenty two point eight.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
He that mean tremendous.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I haven't seen Plunkett play enough, so I wouldn't know,
but yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Russell Wilson, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman, Bart Starr, Tom Brady, Brett, Favre,
Kurt Warner, Eli Manning, Roger Starback and then Patrick Mahoon.
Just think about the names I just mentioned. And I
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said this before the Super Bowl that I would take
Eli Manning. And my point was, and now Patrick has
a signature moment throwing a touchdown with time expiring Super Bowl. Okay,
there's this moment, But Eli had two signature moments.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
We talked about it.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yep, that throw to Mario Manninghan might be one of
the greatest throws and catches I ever saw in the
Super Bowl. Yeah, down the sideline, down the side, it
was no space, Kerry, where was the space? It was perfect,
perfect throw, small spot. He made it happen. He also
beat the eighteen and o Patriots.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah, that one was crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yes, right, And everybody says, well, the David Tyrens play
was lucky. That didn't win the game. He still had
to throw the ball to Plexico for the win. So
I give him credit for what he was that they
don't match up career wise, not at all.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Patrick Womman was a far superior.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
We're talking about the Super Bowl, and I'm going to
push back on anybody who thinks he's chasing Tom Brady
because he's still chasing Joe montag.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
And you know I I one hundred percent agree with
that one. Joe, you just said it.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Four and no. The rating, no interceptions, eleven touchdowns, no pick.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It's not even it's not even close the super Bowl
we're talking about, which is Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Right, That's all we're talking about. And I just wonder.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
What is it just the recency or is it just
that the younger fans didn't see Joe Montana. But let
me tell you something. The thing about greatness, you don't
have to see greatness to appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I don't. I didn't. You don't need to know or
have seen.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And I'm talking about a great man, Martin Luther King
to know that the work that he did. You don't
need to have seen Babe Ruth play to look at
the stats during that time to say whether or not
he was great. Do you know I'm not giving you
an excuse or why I didn't see it?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
You didn't.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
You don't need to have seen Michael Jordan play live
to know what that guy was doing two three peats
in his career.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
You brought up a point right there.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Rob Think about that though, So this generation now you know,
they all they're saying is Lebron right. They didn't see
Michael Jordan right. So I think that is part of
part of the problem, right there's they're not doing the
research or even caring enough to know the history of
the games that they're talking about. They see the thing
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that's right in their face and it's shiny and it's new,
and it's it is great because it is. But you
can't compare if you don't know the history of the games.
And people anointing guys as the next best thing without
knowing the history of the game. That's that's where the
foule comes in for me. No, I'm with you, and
you can't and you can't go that route. You need
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to just take a look.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Joe Montana, right here, right now was a better quarterback
in the Super Bowl than Patrick Mahomes, and so was
Terry Bradshaw. But let's keep it to Joe Montana. I'm sorry.
You can mention Tom Brady all you want and him
trying to win seven.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Super Can he win four? First? Can he win four?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
You're automatically assuming he's going to already if he doesn't
win another Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Is he better than Joe Montana? He can't be. He
can't be.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
But you listen to people and they tell you, all right,
we want to hear from you. Eight seven, seven ninety
nine on Fox? Has Patrick Mahomes passed Joe Montana? Has
he passed Terry Bradshaw, both who have better numbers than
him in the Super Bowl and have won more Super.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Bowls than him? How explain? How a god? What math
are you doing? Is this a new math they're teaching
in school? Carrie? It's hard? Three and one it's better
than four.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
No, Rob, that math they're teaching right now is hard
for me, so I probably it's probably the math.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
It makes no sense. So we want to hear from you.
Eight seven seven ninety nine, Off Fox, Where are You?
Does he still have to hurdle over Joe Montana and
Terry Bradshaw before we're ready to to have them?
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Chase Tom Brady?
Speaker 1 (42:01):
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Welcome into a trash Talk Tuesday. We're on The Odd
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We will Bill, We'll do it live and man, we
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Fox Sports Radio studios in Sherman Oaks, California. And I'm
on the campus of USC where I teach baseball writing.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Oh wow, how's that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh yeah, And I'm here broadcasting from USC today.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Carry what's up my man? How you man? I'm doing well? Man.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
When I was hearing the introduction, I was like, I'm
neither one of those guys, so I felt a little
taken aback. But you know what, I'm here, I'm in
the studio. I'm holding it down for Chris and you
know how it goes.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
You know, always love to be here with you guys
on the Odd Couple. It's a great time to come
out and talk some ball and talk life and talk
everything in between. So I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
No doubt, man, we will have absolutely fantastic show. First,
let's welcome in the Odd Couple crew, because we wouldn't
be able to do this fine radio program without him.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Rob g is out.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Shay is our producer today, Alex of course is our
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is manning the social media world.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And yes, I just want you to know. My video.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
About saying that Kyle Shanahan should be fired went crazy.
You hear me, Carrie went crazy of course after the
super Bowl and another double digit choke job by kyleana Ham.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
But let's start here because you know where I stand. Carry.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I think he should be five And I know people
go crazy.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
You get good super Bowl twice in that four years.
That's how they say it. Yeah, that's how they say.
It doesn't sound.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That's what it sounds like to me, Carrie when I'm
hearing it, you know, But I say to myself, yes
you can, Yes you can carry. Sometimes you take the
unknown over the known. And what I mean by that
is what we know. Kyle Shanahan is a choker. We
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know that you don't know who's gonna come behind him.
Oh you know, you can't get who you're gonna replace
him with, and they won't be able to win the
forty nine ers or at least contenders every year with
Kyle share he's a genius. Yeah, that is too easy
to stick with what you know even though you know
you won't get there. You know what, Rob, I'll say
(04:06):
this about you. You're you're consistent about that that take.
I mean, I remember you saying something earlier about Dak Prescotten, right, like,
we know what he is, that's who he's been in
the playoffs. He's not going to get it done. Move on, right,
like you've said that before.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So I know that this isn't some like super super
hot take for you, but I'll say this, I Kyle
Sanenhan is one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
He reminds me.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Of of of Andy Reid, you know, like Andy Reid
had those moments where he kept making it to the
to the NFC Championship game, he was winning, he had success,
and we were like, we don't know if this guy
can ever get it done. He got to a point
where he got the man at quarterback, Patrick Mahomes that
put him over the hump now right, and so now
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people are saying, oh my god, he might be one
of the best coaches of all time. It just depends
on if you get that guy. Because Kyle Shanahan obviously
is super talented. We know he is an offensive he
is he's a genius on that side of the ball.
And you know, I think as a head coach, obviously,
there are so many other things that come into play.
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It comes, you know, situational football circumstances, players, player management,
all these things are intertwined. And being a genius at
your perspective coordinator position, right like to be the head
coach you have, there's a lot of things that come
into play. If you get that guy at quarterback, which
he has not had yet, party is good. But we
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don't know if he's Patrick Mahomes and he's never going
to be that. But we don't know if he's that guy.
But if he if he had Patrick Mahomes, you don't
think he's won a couple of championships by now. No,
But see, here's where I'm gonna put Here's where I'm
gonna push back.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Coach.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
First of all, Andy Weid, they got rid of Andy
Reid and Philip he didn't win in Philadelphia, So Kyle
Shenahan might win, but he could do it somewhere else.
Kyle Shanahan, you can't go like, oh, well, he doesn't
have the quarterback. That's why he hasn't won. He's had
double digit leads and three Super Bowls. So he was
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good enough to get you to the fourth quarter with
seven minutes to go and a double digit lead. So
that's not like, oh, his offense is a movie. He
have a quarterback. No, he's not making the right calls
to close the games. All he is is Marty Schottenheimer
with a better haircut.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
What you call them Marty shot and Marty.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Schottenheimer got run out of San Diego for the same
exact thing.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
He couldn't get you over the hump.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Marv Levy, the Buffalo Bills coach, is ninety eight years old,
and you know what he's probably saying to himself, I'm
finally off the hook.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
And this guy lost four straight Super Bowls and he's saying,
my god, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I'm finally off the whole. He's not off the he's
not off the hook yet. I mean, mar Marv lost
four in a row. That's that's you know, that's that's
that's pretty intense. And he had Jim Kelly, and you
had Thrman Thomas, and he had Cornelio's Bennett and he
had a lot of he had a lot, he had
a lot of win and they did not win. Yeah,
but they didn't. They wrote him out for four consecutive
you know what I mean, Like, that's that's patience, and
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that's believing in the guy that you have. And I
know that they believe in Kyle Shanahan and and and
you know it's you're right, like there's there's no debt
in what you're saying and and and the facts that
are on the table. But again, you let him go.
And I know we were talking about bringing somebody else in.
I'll let you lead into that, but I don't think
that guy is a guy. But I'll let you lead
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into that, into that, uh, into that conversation.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And here's the other thing. All right, So you got
all that. Yeah, we've seen teams do this before. I'll
give you the perfect example. Tony Dungee couldn't get over
the top with Tampa Bay. He had a great team. Defensively,
they were unbelievable. They could not win and get to
the super Bowl. Guess what they did. Oh, yeah, they
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fired Tony Dungee and hired John Gruden. And guess what
they won? They won the next year with Tony Dungee's team.
So here's my big plan. You ready, yep, Fire Kyle
Shanahan and hire Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
He's sitting there. He will get you over the top.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Bill Belichick is the way for the forty nine ers
to finally win again. It's been forever since they won
a Super Bowl. Bill Belichick is sitting there. He knows
how to win, he knows how to close games out.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's why it's worth making the move. I hear you.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I understand that perfectly fine, and it's a it would
be I don't think anybody would be upset at that, right,
I just for me personally when I see Bill Belichick,
and I called it when he got fired. I said,
he's not going to get a job this year. There's
no team that would take him. Obviously, those positions were
open and the only team that really interviewed him was Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So, there's a moment when you become you're over the
heel as a coach. You cannot connect, you can't connect
to the players. Relationships are you know, few and far between.
A lot of those, a lot of the solid relationships
that he had are gone. Those guys are older and
moved on. And you know, even the players are at
the point now where they're getting head coaching jobs where
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you know the coach that took over for him was
one of his former players, right. I think there's a
time for coaches like that who are legendary to move
on also because they don't connect with the younger generation.
And I just don't see Bill Belichick being that answer
for those guys. I mean, think about San Francisco. Those
guys are running out to the games with big boom
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boxes on their shoulders and gold chains, and it's a
whole different generation that it's over Bill Belichick's head, and
I just don't see it working. I understand the x's
and those, and he's a winner, but I just don't
see him being able to immerse himself in the locker
room like that and win.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I don't know how you could take a look at
Bill Belichick with the team that's put together and not
think that he could get them over the hump. Bill
Belichick is known for defense. The reason that they haven't
been able to win is a they don't run the
ball when you need it, and their defense is giving
up double digit leads in the final ten minutes. Final
seven minutes of three Super bowls. Bill Belichick is the
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right guy. You can't be afraid to hold on because
you know how football is carry that at some point
that nucleus guys move on. People get you know, you
think you got ten years to make a run. You don't.
Your run might be might be over before you know it.
So you need to capitalize on it. And the one
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thing that Kyle Shanahan has proven is that he can't
get it done. This isn't an overreaction to one chance
or one opportunity at the Super Bowl. This is now
three chances, one as an offensive coordinator where he blew
a twenty five point lead in the second half, and
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two other where he had a ten point lead, dominating
the game, went away from the run, and didn't know
how to close the game. I'm convinced now more than
ever that Kyle Shanahan will never and eva win a
Super Bowl, not with this team, not with this team.
In this situation, he might have to be Andy Wee
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go somewhere else and have Patrick.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Mahomes fall into your lap and then maybe you might win.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But if it's about Kyle Shanahan making the right moves,
I have zero confidence in him at this point.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I do carry I would not keep him.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I hear you, no, I mean, and the proof is
what it is. He hasn't won, he's blown leaves. All
those things you're saying are true. So I get it.
I understand people that would even back you on that.
I just I'm a patient guy. And again you said
it right though. The NFL isn't patient. So we'll see.
We'll see what they decide. But I think he can
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get it done. And you know, obviously, you know with
that core, if they can bring them all back. I
know Brandon Andyuku is already campaigning to get out of there.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Absolutely all right, we want to hear from you eight seven,
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Speaker 3 (12:45):
Where are you? Am? I crazy? Am I a sugar nough?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Should the forty nine ers fire Kyle Shanahan and hire
Bill Belichick if they want to win a Super Bowl?
Bill might come in and win next year. They're already
the favorite. How about that?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Bill?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
How manute get this thing done?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I can't believe you're talking about Bill Belichick though, Rob,
that's the that one just I just he might cheat
and win. We know that that's another proven fact, but
I just don't see it.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I think his time is as the guy is over man.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
We'll see, but I don't think he's going to get
another head coaching job here.
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Yo, Yo, Yo, our number two on a trash Talking Tuesday.
Don't forget coming up in about forty minutes, your chance
to trash anyone anything in the world of sports, and
we won't interrupt you. You'll be able to have your say.
So you want to jump in. We're broadcasting live from
the tire Reich dot Com Studios, Rob Park and Carry
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Roads in for Chris Brussard carrying our Sherman Oaks, California Studios.
I'm at usc where I'm my associate professor. That's what
they call me now, not even an adjunct associate professor.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Can you imagine me molding the young minds of journalists
coming up?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Hey, of course I can. That's what you've done your
whole life. Man means, yeah, since you were a kid,
Why why wouldn't Why wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
You you know?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I mean I wanted to be a sportswriter carry since
I was nine years old.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Incredible, that's crazy, like it is, I really did I
know people. Oh yeah, I know I couldn't play, but
I'm just saying I did. That was the job I
thought I wanted my whole life.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
So as a kid, you you were just fascinated with
storytelling or were you fascinated with, you know, the behind
the scenes, getting the access what's more? Which excited you more?
This is a true story. When I was in second grade,
I was seven years old. My teacher, Miss Noble, I
went to PS fifty in Jamaica, Queens. She pulled me
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aside from the rest of the class carry and she said, Robert.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
When you grow up, you should be a writer. You're
an excellent writer. Can you imagine a teacher wow, identifying
you at seven years old and putting that nugget in
the back of my head? Carrie, I swear, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Though?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
At those tender ages that's seven eight nine, it's very important.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Those teachers are the ones you remember too.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yes, I remember that conversation and then the fast forward
one more quick one.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
So I go to Columbia Journalism.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
School, right, and then I have another teacher, Professor Joanna Lee,
and she pulled me aside, Carrie, and I was young.
I was about twenty four years old, a couple of
years in the business, getting my masters, and she told
me that I was way more experienced than my other
classmates and that she needed more from me. She was
a small Asian woman. She came up behind me telling
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me this speech about that I need to do more.
She pretended like she had a knife in her hand.
I swear to Terry, and she stuck it in my
back and she said, you know what I need from you, Rob,
I need you to stick the knife in, turn it.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
And draw blood.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And I swear to you it was that that turned
me into the writer that I am.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I'm not even kidding you. That's what she told me.
So attempted murder was the thing that got you over
the house.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Unbelievable, unbelievable, stick the knife in, turn it and draw blood.
This woman was barely up to my waist, you know
what I mean. And she was giving me one of
those pep talks. All right, let's go here, Cary. You're
gonna get back to the NFL in the third hour,
but let's do some NBA. Yes, And I know you're
a Dallas Mavericks fan, I am, but Luca danci Man
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people aren't feeling him players and maybe they don't want
to play with him. I mean, this is stuff that's
going out a Shay as our producer today, Rob G's off, Shaye,
what do you have? You have some details right of
some NBA players who kind of like saying some bad
stuff about Luca.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, So the two things came out today, but I'll
go over the first one first. So Grant Williams made
his hornet's debut on Saturday night against the Grizzlies after
getting traded from the MAVs. After the game, Williams actually
took some shots at his former teammate Luka Doncic. In
his postgame press conference, Williams stated, it's great to win,
to get a win for the city and really play
for the jerseys that's across your chest and not the
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one on your back. So I was fortunate to be
part of a team that's really wanted to win. It
was super exciting. The play style was fun. Everybody touched
the ball. We trusted one another, a team that had
never played with each other or practiced with one another.
Every single person seemed like they had each other's back.
So a lot of shots right there, But he.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Did anybody follow up on that, like, like, you know,
once you throw that out there.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Not somebody's back. I mean, if you're a reporter sitting there,
you gotta go, who are you talking about? Yeah? What
do you mean? Yeah? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, no, no no. So I haven't seen if anyone
followed up on the question itself, but in the article
that I'm reading, that's what I see. But I'll follow
up in that question and I'll see. But he wasn't
the actual only one to kind of send shots his
way on Tuesday. Well, these aren't necessarily shots. But on Tuesday,
Wizards forward Kyle Kuzma revealed to The Athletic that he
was presented with a trade that would actually have sent
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him to Dallas, but he decided he would rather stay
in Washington. He was asked why he wanted to remain
with the Wizards instead of joining the Mavericks. Kuzma answered,
in my career, I won a championship, So I understand
that when we play this game of basketball, it's not
about contending for a playoff spot. It's about contending for
an NBA championship. There's only like three or four contenders,
true contenders. I just feel like our timelines didn't add up.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Wow, that sounds to me carry like he didn't want
to play with uh Luca, Like, uh yeah, and we
gotta we gotta admit and you know this, he's a
different type of player.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Needs the basketball.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yes, that's just yeah. And but I don't know, and
you watch them, that's your team. Yeah, if they will
ultimately be able to win with the guy dominating the
basketball that much. Last year when they got Kyrie, they
didn't even make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
The thing about Dallas, and I'm gonna I'm gonna preference
preference this by saying Lucas, in my opinion that the
MVP of the league right now, he's playing, He's.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Playing everybody and how the only people I think they
have the joker again, don't they?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And the probably probably, but you know, we got some
time left. But just the way he's playing, even defending,
which has been his knock forever, he's putting effort on
that end. He's playing well. But I'll say this about Dallas,
the brand of basketball that they play. Number one, it's boring.
We know what we're gonna see every week. I mean
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every game they're gonna run high pick and roll. He's
gonna make every play. He's gonna make every pass. And
if you're a role player going to that situation, you
have to be a specific type of role player. You
gotta be a role player that number one knows that,
and you're a dead eye shooter because he's trying to
spoons feed everything. And so as a role player, you're
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seven eight shots. If you have an off game, you know,
if you're one for eight, that's a terrible game, right,
But if you're a hit three more of those shots,
you're four for eight, and that's a great day. But
if you're not a knockdown shooter, and you're a streaky
shooter like most guys in the league are, if you're
not involved in the play, if you're not touching the ball,
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if you're not cutting, you're not moving, you're not in rhythm,
you're not going to knock those shots down consistently. And
so then you know, if you're going to that situation
like a Kuzma, somebody that can make his own play,
he's gonna want to be involved. He's gonna want to
touch the ball. They had a guy in Christops Porzingis
when he was there. Obviously, playing All Star level basketball
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and bass and because he's involved.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
He wasn't involved in well evolved.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
And that's and that's the only issue with Luca, and
that's the only issue with any type of player that
plays that way. We can go back to James Harden,
he could never win it because players are not going
to be in rhythm. You can go to Luca Dantis. Now,
you can go even with Luca's teammate right now, Kyrie.
Kyrie is one of the best isolation guys as well.
But if you're not getting guys touches and moving the
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ball and actually being in rhythm, players aren't going to
want to play with you. And I think that's kind
of what we're having happen right now.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, it's pretty interesting. I did find that story. There's
a straw poll about NBA insiders and they do have
the joker now that embat is hurt as the leading
to win his third MVP. You remember last year they
kind of you know.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Little controversy.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah, it was controversial because they didn't want him to
win three in a row and then he wound up
going to the postseason and having an unbelievable postseason.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
One it looked like the MVP. Didn't he Yes, he did,
oh for sure. Yeah. I mean you can give it
to him every year if you want.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, I mean twenty six and a half points, twelve
point two rebounds and a nine assists. I mean what yeah,
I mean he's killing it. But anyway, I guess my
point is with Lucas, it's one of those things you
might want. And I know they went to the Western
Conference Finals a couple of years ago, right, and then
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they got blown out in Game seven or whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But if you're Luca, do you understand that.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
You can't or won't be able to win if you
continue to play that way? Do you know like this
is like this is how he's effective right by having
the basketball. Yes, but you're trying to win a championship,
so which something has to give?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Think about it, Rob, Right, we go back to the
Jordan days when he was the one that was trying
to make every play by himself, without the scheme, without
the triangle. They did not win when they implemented an
offense where people he actually gives the ball up, he
gets to a spot if he catches it in the triangle.
Obviously you're gonna go to him in the clutch and
go two moments. But you got to get other guys
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involved to win.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
But if you remember in the last dance, and I
thought it was awesome, they had the video.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Michael gave up the ball. It wasn't.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It wasn't because he was afraid to shoot at the end,
Like that's what the lebron feilt like?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And on that viato, I remember watching it and he
went to Steve Kerr and said be ready. Yes, he
didn't go, oh my god, it's hot potato. I don't
want to take this.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
He told Steve Kerr.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Before the play, and still in confidence, am I right,
be ready, I'm gonna throw you the ball.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's gonna be open. Make this shot that you gotta
trust your teammates, man, you have to trust your teammates.
He knew Steve Kerr would be open. Steve Kerr made
a big shot and John Paxson made a big shot
for the Bulls, and both were the same exact situations.
And that's what I'm wondering. If you, Dallas, you got
this talented.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Superstar, yes, yeah, but are you gonna win?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
You're not gonna win that way, Rob, I don't care
who it is. I mean we've seen it. I mean,
James Harden, we can talk about how bad he is now,
and well, he's not bad now, he's still playing well,
but how demanding the trades and all these things, and
how he's played out the last couple of years. But
James Harden and his prime, he's doing the same thing
Luca was doing right now. I mean Luca's I think
a little better, but he was doing the same thing.
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He was getting them to the Western Conference finals or whatever,
and he would flame out. You can't win with that
style of play. He has to trust those guys more
and they have to put more variants in their offense.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, that's gonna be interesting going forward, and just how
this team comes together, because at first they thought when
they got Kyrie, they're off and running, and then to
not make the playoffs last year was pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, that was bad. They were injured. It was a
lot of things going on last year. Rob with those guys,
it was it wasn't just you know, everything to do
with m Yeah, chemistry, he was in and out. He's
a little hurt. Luca was a little hurt down the stretch.
Luca was a little over I mean out of shape
down the stretch. Yet last year as well.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I'm surprised for you with an athlete of that caliber.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
He comes in and when you see him, the first
thing you want to do is push your finger into
his stomach.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I mean, that's just well, you know what, you know
what it is. It was one of those things where
he was injured, so he couldn't even do as much
cardio and and get in shape as much. It's more
he had to preserve his body, and so it was
like a balance. It was just it was a lot
of things last year. But this year he's looking good,
he's in shape, plan well, but you're not gonna win
a championship that way.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, it's it's a it's a weird situation to be
in because you can't totally change him, right, Like, you
can't you can't ask him to do something else.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
You're gonna have to find a way to get him
to do something else. And again, he can post up,
he can do all these things, rob you know what
I mean, Like he can get in the post and
he can be effective that way as well. He can
be off the ball, but he's not a spot up shooter.
So you know you're gonna take the ball out of
your best player hands to be a spot up shooter.
Sometimes I think, yes, I think he has to be
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a decoy song for them to win. But it's gonna
be a hard ask for somebody that's young and in
his prime the way he is.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
All Right, coming up next, I still don't think the
Chiefs are a dynasty. We'll see what Carrie thinks if
they're a dynasty. Already I have my own definition of
a dynasty and it ain't the Kansas City Chiefs, so
we'll do that and olden polonies as well as coming
up in about fifteen minutes as well here on the
Odd Couple Fox Sports Radio. So you know what you
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Speaker 4 (27:38):
Stay for a possible new dynasty in the US of A.
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All Right, our number three of the Odd Couple right
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on the program and carry you as a defensive player.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yep, you know how this goes? Like the quarterback gets
all the attention. Yeah, I mean it's over the top.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You even said like Chris Jones could have been the
MVP of the Super.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Bowl, right said that? Yeah, but Aphram, but but you
get My point is that they never looked that way.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I still remember, and I brought it up earlier when
the Patriots beat the Rams, I mean the last time,
right for the sixth Super Bowl. The Rams had Jared Goff.
They average right like thirty five points a game. They
scored three points in that Super Bowl and the MVP
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who it went to a wide receiver who was it
for the Patriots. I'm just forgetting his name. What was it,
Wes Welker or who's the other one, Edelman?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Edelman?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, Edelman had no touchdow in the game, and he
got the MVP as a wide receiver instead of looking
for defensive players that shut down a potent offense. Right,
they went from thirty five points a game to three
points in the Super Bowl. Okay, so here we go.
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But now I'm talking about quarterbacks, and we know Patrick
Mahomes has had a great.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Career so far. Right, there's no debate there. I'm not
even sitting here.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I'm not trying to tear down anything that he's done.
But when it comes to Super Bowls, people talk about
all the time, don't bet against Patrick Mahomes. And I
get he's won three Super Bowls, but the numbers don't
match up for what people talk about.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Okay, if I told you.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
That out of twelve quarterbacks who have gone to multiple
Super Bowls, where would you think Patrick Mahomes's quarterback rating
would be? Where would he be in the twelve quarterbacks
who have gone to multiple Super Bowls?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Well, right now, the emphasis you're putting on that multiple
I would say he's probably eight on that list. How
about twelfth, He's twelfth on that list, twelfth on the list.
Earlier I talked about Terry Bradshaw. Terry Bradshaw won four
Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Right, Yes, people look at Terry Bradshaw's like it was
all about the Steelers defense.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Still Curtain, Steve Curtain.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Terry Bradshaw was good, He was okay. He wasn't the
stir that stirred the drink, you know what I mean,
or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
His numbers.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Nine touchdowns, four interceptions, a quarterback rating of one twelve
point eight. Wow, okay, okay, Patrick Mahomes across four super Bowls,
Terry Bradshaw was four and zero and won two MVPs.
Patrick Mahomes seven touchdowns, five interceptions, a passer rating of
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eighty five point two. He's three and one and he
has super bowls and all three right the MVPs. How
surprised are you when you hear these kind of numbers?
Because the noise and the talk, and I get it,
winning covers everything. Nobody cares he threw the game winning touchdown,
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forget that he was bad for the first three quarters, right,
you know what I mean? It's about winning, and I
think that's what glosses people over when you.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Think about it.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
But I don't think anybody would believe that Terry Bradshaw's
numbers are better than Patrick.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I definitely didn't believe that. I remember when I saw
the the breakdown before the show, I was like, Terry Bradshaw, right,
you know what I mean, I'm like, oh, this is
going to be interesting. But then you said the numbers.
And obviously, again Steelers defense was so good at that time,
so you know that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
We knew that.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But I'm definitely surprised by the numbers that Terry Bradshaw
put up. I would I would be remiss to to,
you know, kind of leave that out and leave out
Franko Harris and that offensive line and all the things,
the weapons that he had at that time as well,
you know, uh, star War not Stalwart, the receiver, Craigan,
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thank you, Swan likely had guys definitely surprised by Patrick
Mahomes numbers. I mean, you know, and you know I've
told you before. I mean, being a guest on your show,
you know who might goat Super Bowl quarterbacks and it's
not even close. I mean even exactly so even I
mean this is my issue too.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, like they want to leap frog over Joe Montana,
I know, and say that Mahomes is chasing Brady.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I know he's three and one. Montana was four and oher.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
You know what his quarterback rating, what's one twenty seven
point eight. Mahomes is eighty five. And they say he's
better than Joe Montana.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh it's not even close. I mean even with even
before you said we were having this segment. I mean,
I've had these talks about people trying to anoint him
as the goat.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Already.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Sure, he's the goat as far as talent, he's the
most talented quarterback that we've seen. That. I think that's
I mean that comes without any question, right, I think
for even the non believers at this point, like you
can see the guy he's special. But when you talk
about being the goat and you have the numbers to
back it up the way you just backed it up,
(34:54):
I mean, there's no way he's better than even Joe
Montana at this point as far as Super super Bowls go.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I think we are such prisoners of the moment. Whatever
happened yesterday or Sunday is the best thing that we've
ever seen. I hear people say it all the time.
We've never seen this, never seen that. Joe Montana eleven
touchdowns and no picks. When I just tell you, that's
five picks, that's five picks and four super bowls Montana
(35:22):
had zero picks. Didn't they say, well, they are Jerry Rice.
Well he won two Super Bowls with Jerry Rice and
two without Jerry Rice. Yes, okay, he also won three
MVPs in those four super Bowls, and which is all impressive.
But here's the other one. Two of those super Bowls,
(35:42):
he needed a touchdown to win the game.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
He needed a touchdown. So when I just.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Look at some of these things, this is not about
tearing down Patrick Mahoon.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
And that's it. It's not.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
It's about honoring what Joe Montana was able to accomplish
in a rougher situation for a quarterback carry.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
When you used to be able to ring.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
You could a quarterback's head, yes, and now if you
touch a guy a pie, it's fifteen yards. Like you
could stand in the pocket and not worry about it
for the you know, for the most part, unlike what
those guys played for.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Rob These kids have no idea.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I mean people were when you talk about getting killed
on the field, and I'm not saying that word or nothing, No,
I know what you're talking about, but like getting destroyed
on the field like you were Lawrence Taylor going after Montana.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Go look at the film. They are ripping you up.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
And so all those wide open lanes, those receivers not
being scared to be hit across the middle, like that
stuff didn't exist in that day. If you catch the
ball across the middle, you're getting You're getting your butt
knocked out, You're getting tattooed. You're getting tattooed. It's glorified
seven on seven now. And that's still not to take
away from Patrick Mahomes, but it's a different era.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
But look at the names. You're ready super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Let's with multiple Super Bowl So it's Montana, Jim Plunkett,
his was one twenty two point eight.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
He that mean tremendous.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I haven't seen Plunkett play enough, so I wouldn't know,
but yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Russell Wilson, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman, Bart Starr, Tom Brady, Brett, Favre,
Kurt Warner, Eli Manning, Roger Starback and then Patrick Mahoon.
Just think about the names I just mentioned. And I
(37:37):
said this before the Super Bowl that I would take
Eli Manning. And my point was, and now Patrick has
a signature moment throwing a touchdown with time expiring Super Bowl. Okay,
there's this moment, But Eli had two signature moments.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
We talked about it.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yep, that throw to Mario Manninghan might be one of
the greatest throws and catches I ever saw in the
Super Bowl. Yeah, down the sideline, down the side, it
was no space, Kerry, where was the space? It was perfect,
perfect throw, small spot. He made it happen. He also
beat the eighteen and o Patriots.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah, that one was crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yes, right, And everybody says, well, the David Tyrens play
was lucky. That didn't win the game. He still had
to throw the ball to Plexico for the win. So
I give him credit for what he was that they
don't match up career wise, not at all.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Patrick Womman was a far superior.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
We're talking about the Super Bowl, and I'm going to
push back on anybody who thinks he's chasing Tom Brady
because he's still chasing Joe montag.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
And you know I I one hundred percent agree with
that one. Joe, you just said it.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Four and no. The rating, no interceptions, eleven touchdowns, no pick.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It's not even it's not even close the super Bowl
we're talking about, which is Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Right, That's all we're talking about. And I just wonder.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
What is it just the recency or is it just
that the younger fans didn't see Joe Montana. But let
me tell you something. The thing about greatness, you don't
have to see greatness to appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I don't. I didn't. You don't need to know or
have seen.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And I'm talking about a great man, Martin Luther King
to know that the work that he did. You don't
need to have seen Babe Ruth play to look at
the stats during that time to say whether or not
he was great. Do you know I'm not giving you
an excuse or why I didn't see it?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
You didn't.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
You don't need to have seen Michael Jordan play live
to know what that guy was doing two three peats
in his career.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
You brought up a point right there.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Rob Think about that though, So this generation now you know,
they all they're saying is Lebron right. They didn't see
Michael Jordan right. So I think that is part of
part of the problem, right there's they're not doing the
research or even caring enough to know the history of
the games that they're talking about. They see the thing
(40:14):
that's right in their face and it's shiny and it's new,
and it's it is great because it is. But you
can't compare if you don't know the history of the games.
And people anointing guys as the next best thing without
knowing the history of the game. That's that's where the
foule comes in for me. No, I'm with you, and
you can't and you can't go that route. You need
(40:37):
to just take a look.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Joe Montana, right here, right now was a better quarterback
in the Super Bowl than Patrick Mahomes, and so was
Terry Bradshaw. But let's keep it to Joe Montana. I'm sorry.
You can mention Tom Brady all you want and him
trying to win seven.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Super Can he win four? First? Can he win four?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
You're automatically assuming he's going to already if he doesn't
win another Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Is he better than Joe Montana? He can't be. He
can't be.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
But you listen to people and they tell you, all right,
we want to hear from you. Eight seven, seven ninety
nine on Fox? Has Patrick Mahomes passed Joe Montana? Has
he passed Terry Bradshaw, both who have better numbers than
him in the Super Bowl and have won more Super.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Bowls than him? How explain? How a god? What math
are you doing? Is this a new math they're teaching
in school? Carrie? It's hard? Three and one it's better
than four.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
No, Rob, that math they're teaching right now is hard
for me, so I probably it's probably the math.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
It makes no sense. So we want to hear from you.
Eight seven seven ninety nine, Off Fox, Where are You?
Does he still have to hurdle over Joe Montana and
Terry Bradshaw before we're ready to to have them?
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Chase Tom Brady?
Speaker 1 (42:01):
It is the odd couple on the trash talking Tuesday,
Rob Parker, Kerry roads in for Chris boussard Stick and stay.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
If the math isn't mathing in the US of.
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