February 14, 2024 • 38 mins
FOX Sports Radio host Alan Lee is in for Chris Broussard, and he and Rob discuss whether or not Patrick Mahomes should speak out in support of gun reform in the wake of the tragic shooting at the Kansas City Chiefs championship parade, debate whether Kyle Shanahan turned defensive coordinator Steve Wilks into a scapegoat following the San Francisco 49ers’ latest Super Bowl meltdown and argue about whether the Los Angeles Lakers should have traded LeBron James at the deadline.
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Our first concern, of course, was Chris Brussard and his
staff and co host of First Things First when we
heard the news, as you know, the shooting. How many
how many dead are they reporting now? Is at two
or three?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I just won the last time that I heard, and
it's twenty two injured.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Twenty two injured? My god, but Rob, Rob the worst?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Just horrible. Nine children, Yeah, just unshotos.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Can you imagine kids going to a parade for one
of the greatest days in their sports lives, you know,
to go see your team win a championship and celebrate,
and this happens. But Rob, g you know this when
you first thought about it. When I first heard, the
first thing I thought about was Chris being there on
the scene.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
Absolutely, you know This was supposed to be a big moment,
not just for Chiefs fan but for that show specifically.
First things first on FS one, because they have become
the de facto you know, Chiefs pre and postgame show,
no doubt on FS one, and so they did a
show live from the parade.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
It was a big deal.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
It's why Chris is not here today and was not
here yesterday because of travel arrangement. So as soon as
I saw, because I had the TV on in the
background while I was prepping, they cut away from FS
one cameras unannounced, like there was no breaking news. There
was nothing. They just cut away and went directly to
Fox News and they said there was a shooting at
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the parade. So immediately texted Chris Brussard. Thankfully, he responded
very quickly after saying he was okay, and security on
site got them out of there very quickly, and everybody
on their team was accounted for and safe.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Thank god, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So all for people who might be asking or wondering,
everything is cool with Chris, his co host and the
staff there from FS one and Sad Day all the
way around Alan real quick. And then we're gonna get
into our topic. I know you've covered parades in Detroit
and whatnot. I mean, I've covered parades. I covered when
the Mets won the World Series in nineteen eighty six
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down you know, down Broadway and millions of people. I've
been in that when the Pistons won in two thousand
and four, covered that in Detroit down Woodward Avenue.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
When the Red.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Wings won a couple of Stanley Cups, I covered that. Alan,
You've been in those big crowds, and you know, you
pray and hope that everything goes well, but you're vulnerable.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, because it's the last thing you're thinking about. You know,
you look around and he's happy, and everybody's you know,
had like minded to be there. You're there to celebrate,
and it's the lasting in your mind to sort of
look around and be suspicious of people and constantly on
the lookout for something that's not particularly right. And then
when something like that happens, you know, somebody hears or
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says gunshots or you even hear it. It's like a stampede.
And then that's another problem. You know, everybody's just trampling
over everybody try to get out of.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
There, and there it is, and kids can get hurt
as well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
And the stampede it's it's it's not a great scene.
It's awful in fact.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But here's what I want to ask to you, Allen Lee,
and let's talk about this. We know athletes have very
big influences right right on.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
People. You know, there's the Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
People are, oh my god, if she endorses Biden, he's
gonna win the election, you know, because he has so
many she has so many followers and all kinds of
stuff like that. But a lot of times people don't
want athletes to get involved in stuff. And here's the situation,
as unfortunate as it is, that maybe change.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Can come from it.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Patrick Mahomes could probably be the governor of Missouri if
he wants, right, three championships in five years. Yeah, I mean,
I mean, who doesn't love Patrick Mahomes if you're from Missouri.
But one of the things out there is that Missouri
has lacks gun laws. Alan they have lax gun laws.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
But you know, Rob, I'm not sure where you're going,
but California supposedly has one of the toughest gun laws
and in the country and crime and it still happens
here all the time. So I mean, there has to
be a better way, a better crackdown, and something else
has to happen. I'm win there's not enough to torrent
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right now in this country.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, well here's my point, Okay. Patrick Mahomes has a
chance to be what they always say, more than an athlete,
to transcend sports and maybe help to make change in
Missouri in the wake of this. Some people don't want
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their athletes to say anything, especially if it's against what
they believe.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Right, just play ball.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I only want to hear you talk on Sunday after
you win the game. I don't care about your political beliefs.
I don't care about what you think about anything else.
Other people would die and wish and hope that the
athletes are more than that. And because they have a platform.
Michael Jordan and you know this was criticized during his day.
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Mike was about selling tennis sneakers, tennis shoes and T
shirts and soda pop Alan. He just treaded lightly on everything.
I mean, I know there's a famous quote attributed to
him that he never said, but it is a trip
that Republicans buy sneakers too, Like that was right, do
you remember that?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Where are you on?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Maybe Patrick Mahomes in this day and age, Lebron James
is a polarizing figure, not just because of the Jordan
thing and who's the greatest, but because he's willing to
speak out against issues. He's tweeting out, he's saying stuff,
he's putting it out there. And I remember back in
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twenty twenty about Patrick Mahomes and his support for the
Black Lives Matter movement.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
You remember that when the quarterbacks came out.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
That was big because the NFL has always been trying
to stay out of that and he felt like he
had a platform where he could do something. I'm gonna
read his quote in a minute, but but go ahead.
I just want to want to get your initial thought
on this.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
You know, sadly, Rob, I think, if anything, it would
probably only make a difference where he lives. I don't
think it'll make a difference outside of where he lives
too much.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Well, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But in Missouri, like he could maybe get something done
in a state where he's revered, he's idolized, he's worshiped.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
That is what I'm talking about, not the United States
in Missouri.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
But there are certain hot button topics in this country
that you're going to get oppositioned against, no matter how
much sense it makes or how much your ideology says,
this is what we should do. There are people who
are going to want to have guns forever. You don't
have a right to take my gun. I have its constitution.
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This is what I believe. This is why I live
in this country. This is America. This is my right.
And I totally am on people's side with that to
some extent. I mean, as long as you're a law
abiding citizen and you're not using that weapon in a
bad way, yeah, go right ahead. But it's the other
people and it's and I think that is the issue
to me, rob in this country. It's the loopholes that
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I don't understand what politicians don't want to close.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It's the well, but that, but that, but that might
be the part where Mahomes goes after.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Those in the wake of this. I hear you. I
hear you.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And it's easy to say that you know a law
of Biden. Unfortunately, the bad guys often have the weapons,
you know, like, like, let's be realistic, you could say that, oh,
everybody's law. Everybody's not a law to biden citizen. That's
why the prisons are filled. Okay, let's just be honest
and and let me just give you the quote he had.
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This was twenty twenty publicly after seeing all these things happen.
You remember what was going on. I'll just give you
part of his quote, and he says, I was blue
less to have this platform. This is Patrick Mahomes. Why
not use it? I know I have this platform.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
I know not.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Everyone will agree with it, but I'm going to do
my best to make this world a better place, and
this is the right moment to do it. That's when
he came out publicly in support of Black Lives Matter,
and a lot of people didn't want to hear about
black all lives matter. But what was happening alan at
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that time was on on Black men were being killed
by the police. Didn't no other way to say it.
And if that wasn't reason enough to stand up and
push back and say no, we're not going to tolerate this,
here might be another opportunity, and I guess that's it.
I would not have any problem if Patrick Mahomes wanted
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to get on this soapbox and try to get things
changed in his state. And what I mean you know
where he's an icon, a hero to so many people.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Right, But you know, Rob, there have been so many
tragedies in this country where things have not changed one bit.
You know, look at Avaldi, look at look at those
the shooting where all those kids got killed. You know,
I even well there was even a Republican congressman who
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got shot playing in a baseball league in Washington, d C. Right, Nothing,
nothing's changed, Rob, It's.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
But does that mean that you can't try? Alan, I
don't hear you.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I hear you, And one of these days you hope
that you know every time, Like I can go on
social media right now and I can guarantee you because
I've already seen it today. I can find a gazillion
post of people who are saying, not again, what's wrong
with this world? But you know, what do we do
when it happens? Why are we going to stop doing this?
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How many times are you going to say? When are
we going to stop doing this? And instead of actually
trying to make change, you know, there's a simple thing.
You can either go vote people out who refuse to
make change that's one way in this country. That's that's
the that's the democratic process. And enough of that doesn't happen.
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You know, you've got people who still I'm going to
sit this one on. I'm going to sit at home.
I'm not going to vote because what difference is it
going to make here? You go, you know, you have
no right to complains. That's your attitude. You're just going
to sit it out. Don't expect it to just fix itself.
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Speaker 3 (12:20):
Alan, let's let's continue on the football. We're gonna talk
about it. We talked about it with Greg Jennings a
little bit ago about Steve Wilkes and the firing today
by the forty nine ers, And I know a lot
of people looked at this, and you know, obviously they
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gave up the touchdown right to win the game and overtime,
so the defense failed, right, But the defense held the
Chiefs to a lot of field goals and Patrick Mahomes
didn't have any great numbers really going into it, you know,
like most of the game, three quarters of the game,
they held him in check.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
I thought the defense.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Actually played well, and their coach didn't really give them
a chance because they didn't run the football and opportune
times later in the game and the mix up about
overtime and other things. But I wasn't really in thinking,
oh my god, the defense was god awful. And I
know they didn't play that great in the other two
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games that they won, right against the Lions, you remember
that gave up twenty four points in the first half.
But in this game, I think this is one hundred
scapegoating Steve Wilkes, because if you're not gonna fire Shanahan,
somebody's gotta bite the bullet. Somebody's gotta take the hit
because here's another super Bowl. You're not winning. You ran
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Jimmy g out. He couldn't make the throws. That's what
they said, Allen when they lost that super Bowl and
they get Brock Perdy O. This guy's unbelievable. He's the
next Joe Montana. He can't make a third down pass.
But the bottom line still to me is the way
to the head coach coached this game and that's the
reason I have them losing.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Where are you on Steve Wilks in this whole scenario.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Well, first thing, I don't think it was Shanahan's decision.
I think that that probably came from John Lynch and
the other people in the front office, because I think
even Lynch came out and said there were some things
he was sort of displeased about in the game on defense.
So I believe that was pressure coming from the front
office to Shanahan, and it was and who knows at
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that point in time. You know, when that happens, it's like, look,
you either go down there and you have to do
this or we're going to be discussing you going out
the door. But we need you know, and it's going
to be one of these things. We like what you're
doing with Purdy. So but you know, and the thing is,
you just lost the mc o'rians who went to Texas
to be the Texans head coach the year before. So
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you know, here's Wilkes in there, and all of a
sudden you don't have that same sort of success. But
I mean, the fact that you got to the Super
Bowl has to mean something in some respect. Like you said,
I think even Mahomes said yesterday, I saw some comment
for him where he goes, Yeah, the defense kind of
kind of had me stymy there for a little bit.
They did doing some things that you know, we had
to make some serious adjustments to alan.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
That's my point. Like you're saying, oh, there's something out
in life, I get it. The game ended on the game.
The game ended it. You know, depending on how the
game ends, it's always going to be somebody's fault, right right,
because because if it's a touchdown you give up, another
team wins.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Okay, the defense lets you down.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
If the kicker misses the kick, the kicker is the
one right here, it's his fault. If the quarterback throws
a pick at the end, it's the quarterback's fault. But
in this case, without question, I just think you have
to take a look at Kyle Shanahan. I know you
you're not buying into it. Greg didn't buy into it.
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When is it his turn? When do you stop making
people skapegoats and look at him? Because if they win,
they don't race Steve Wilkes up on their shoulders.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
You know, they raise up, they raise up Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And don't say that it never happened because in Chicago
you notice allan and a lot of fans might not
go check it out, go watch YouTube.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
And when the Bears won the Super Bowl, Buddy Ryan,
who did they raise up?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Defense?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Left?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Buddy?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
They raised up both coaches, right, Mike Dicka was raised
up by the offense and Buddy Ryan was raised up
by his defense. They had an unbelievable defense that year
that they won the Super Bowl, and they recognized Buddy Ryan.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Am I right or wrong on that.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Every practice was a competition between the offensive defense? Did
even said one time he had to go to Buddy, like,
you stop beating up on my offense. These guy's gotta
play on Sunday. You know what, though, like I said,
I don't necessarily think this was totally Shanahan's decision, because
head coaches sometimes hate having to get rid of the
guys brought on board. And right here locally, Lincoln Raley
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at USC, I mean, for two seasons, fans, boosters and
everybody else is saying, dude, you got to get rid
of Alex Grinch. Grinch has got to go. And it
just took him forever. He put his foot on the
ground firmly and says, nope, that's my guy. You know,
it's not necessarily defense. And it finally it took Caleb
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Williams basically going into the stands crying with his mom
because that was such a bad optic to finally get
that guy fired. So I think head coaches sometimes are
really reluctant to go fire a guy they brought in.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
I get that, I do, but I want to broaden this.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Okay, when we want to play the blame game, Okay,
let's play the blame game. If you got to pick
one of these three guys, could you have to.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Their loss in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Was it on.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Shanahan?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
That's three Super Bowls for Shanahan now where it gave
up leads in the second half. That's three, not one,
not an overreaction to one game. Three times, including a
twenty five point lead in the second half. Okay, never
forget that in Super Bowl almost kicked in the TV set.
Couldn't believe that, now you have. Then they lost a
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ten point lead to Mahomes and the Chiefs before they
blamed Jimmy g for that. So you got Kyle Shanahan.
Then you got Steve Wilkes, right gave up the game.
They couldn't stop them. In regulation, they got the field
goal to tie the game, and then they give up
the touchdown in overtime to lose the game. But the
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whole rest of the game, they gave up one touchdown
after the moff punt at the sixteen.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
That's all they gave up. Allen, that's a stellar performance
by defense. But he's the second guy through your blame Wilkes.
And then the last one.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Is brock Purty, who if you can convert some third
downs and get first downs and eat more clock and
keep the chains moving, maybe they would win as well.
And he wasn't able to convert those third downs, So
if you.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Had to go ahead.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
But you know the problem with this though Wilkes has gone.
Even probably even if you do fire Shanahan, because then
all the assistants are probably gone when you bring in
a new head coach, because he wants to bring in
his own guys. So if you get rid of the
head coach, Wilke is likely going to be a casualty anyway.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, I get that, But that's not the same as
being run out Alan, because they're blaming you when they
clean house and they bring in a new coaching staff.
That's not because you did anything. He didn't do anything
that deserved that warranted being fired. If they had lost
the Lions game, Allen twenty four points in the first half, Yeah, okay,
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I'm on ball. That was their best defensive effort in
the postseason.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
That's not where you lose.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I mean, when you get fired, if you're bringing back
Shanahan and saying he could work through some things right
and tighten some things up, why can't Steve Wolf's come
back and tighten some things up. They had to win
a Super Bowl winning performance on defense. They gave up
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one touchdown in the game, the Patrick Mahomes Yeah, after
a sixth after a fumble after a muff punt what.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
That that's your goat.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
They allowed Patrick Mahomes one touchdown in regulation in a
Super Bowl game. Think about it, Alan, how many times
did the Chiefs have to settle for field goals because
they couldn't get in the end zone.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Oh, I hear you, I hear you. I think it's
a bad look in a bad move. It's just, you know,
I think after one season, and it's like you said,
when you listen to the other team say, hey, we
were kind of like not couldn't get anything done for
the longest time. You know, when Mahomes says, you know,
we can't get this thing working, and they're they're they're
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playing great on that side of the ball, and that's
not that guy's problem. And you and you, you brought
up the Bears from eighty five. I want an interesting
thing going back to Nick Bosa's comment about we weren't prepared.
I remember guys in that eighty five Bears teams were saying,
you know what, we went to Buddy Ryan and because
he said, it's too complex what we're doing here, and
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you need to you need to reduce this playbook and
you need to let us just be a little bit
more freer. To make decisions out there on our own.
And and and that's my point also to some degree,
if you, if you, if you call yourself a good
play and you're a great player, and you and you
are a defensive cohesive unit, and you see what's going on,
you should be able to make adjustments out there on
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your own. You know, you should be able to step
forward and go all right, I got this. I understand
what's going I understand the game now. And so if
I'm like we're having a hard time containing Mahomes on
certain plays, adjust adjust while you're out there.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
But here's my thing, Alan, if I would have said
to you the San Francisco forty nine ers would allow
Patrick Mahomes one touchdown in four quarters?
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Are you winning the super Bowl or losing?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
You better be winning it. You better be winning it.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Uh What am I missing? Am I missing? Something?
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Like I said? You better be? You better? But you
know those type of games, Oh, Rob Man. I know
you don't like to go back to talk about things
that are out of a coach's control, but you almost
when you play against somebody like Mahomes, Man, you better
almost play mistake free football because you if you know they.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Gave them the touchdown.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
But again, that wasn't the defense, that was special teams, right,
I get that, But I'm talking about going into the game.
You said they would give Patrick Mahomes the touchdown in
regulation off a moff point punt at the sixteen yard line.
That's that's his touchdown. You would take that a million
times out of a million.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Times without question.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
And yet Steve Wilkes is to blame for this.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
This is garbage and we're playing the blame game eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
So who would you adut on?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I'm pushing you to the to the to the back
of the room, and then to the to the wall.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
You gotta pick one of these three guys.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Is it Brock Purdy who couldn't get the third down
when they started throwing the football that's when the game changed.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Kyle Shanahan and his play calling at the end, or
is it Steve Wilkes.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
I'm not gonna go do you have to pick? You
have to pick one of those three.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Okay, I'm not gonna go against party because you got
us in some respects. You gotta say he's the reason
that he go there. Also, he came back against the Lions.
He made plays. He got you there, So I can't
get pretty out of there. Can't do it.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Like I said, though, Roder, the easy escapegoat out of
this whole thing is a defensive coordinator. Though.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
If a lot of those three you're picking, Steve would.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
If you're if you're Lynch, you're vested in Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Why I just told you Tony Dungee was Jennison.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I understand why because it's happened before Alan Lee. We
saw Mark Jackson had Steph Corian and Klay Thompson. They
were winning fifty games with Mark Jackson. Do you remember
in Detroit when they had Rick Carlile? What did they do?
They Jennison, Rick Carlile and guess who they brought in
Larry Brown And guess what happened?
Speaker 5 (24:47):
They won a championship the next year.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Different organizations look at things in a totally different light.
And maybe Lynch has a very good working relationship with
Shanahan and and sometimes that's enough that you know, the
guy listens to you, and the guy does what you
wanted to do, and you have a great working relationship.
So unless something totally jumps out at you, you're going
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to retain him.
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Depends on how well tonight goes, doesn't it?
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Is that? What how it works?
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I don't know if it's like that. If it was,
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Speaker 5 (26:12):
I don't know how many years did you do the
morning news on nineteen Was it that long?
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My god? Yeah, tell me about it.
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I remember those mornings.
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I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
And then the nowadays, if you do morning news on
the local television, you work from like four am to
eleven in the afternoon, right am? I?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Alan? Oh my, I just it's nuts now.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Well, because they got them there they got a field programming,
and they don't want to pay for syndicated shows.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Am I right, yeah, yeah yeah. I put my foot
down when they asked me to do five straight hours.
I oh no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
No, that's just too much unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
All right, let's get to the NBA, rob G. I
want to bring him in on this bomb show. When
I woke up this morning, I saw this thing about
the idea that the Warriors, you know, they were looking
at Lebron's comments and thinking, maybe he's frustrated in LA.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Maybe just maybe we can.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Have another title run when we get Lebron and Steph
to play together. They already got KD that got them
two championships. Maybe they can team up Lebron and Steph
and one a few more. Rob Ge, how shocked were
you when you heard this nugget?
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Well, I'll tell you what wasn't shocking about the story,
Rob Parker, is that the way it reads. According to ESPN,
the person who instigated the entire recruitment of Lebron James
the Golden State was Draymond Green, who has a history
of saying, you know what, my team's not good enough.
Let me get the biggest Batte during the block to
find my battles.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
For me because the Lebron yes man.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yes he is.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
But remember he did the same thing with Kevin Durant.
Remember they lost to Lebron. He's like, we can't beat
these guys. They gonna call KD from the parking lot
and know he's a free agent, maybe.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
He'll come to Golden State.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And then and then he ran him out of town.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
And then now that he realized they don't enough to
do it again, he's like, hey, I saw Lebron putting
out that hour glass of Mooji. Passive aggressive Bron. Let
me get him up here in the bay. So ultimately
what happened was Draymond Green told his ownership, Hey, I
think Lebron wants out of LA Let's go get him.
So his owner calls Genie Bus directly because they're tight
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like that apparently, and says, hey, we want to check
for Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (28:25):
And Genie Buss, being the owner that she is, decides,
you know what, I'm not gonna say yes or no.
I'm gonna let Lebron James decide where he wants to go.
I'm gonna say go talk to Rich Paul. If Lebron
wants to go to Golden State, maybe we'll talk about it.
If not, then we won't. So apparently they reached out
Rich Paul and Lebron said, no, we have no interest
in going to Golden State right now. Would rather stay
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in Los Angeles. And that was the end of the story.
So the headline today reads Golden State contacts Lakers about Lebron.
Lakers say, no, I.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Think Rob Alan Lee the Lakers made a big mistake
when they made that call. I would have been ready
to move on from Lebron. I mean, he doesn't impact winning.
Think about his tenure here.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Allan Lee.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
If it wasn't for that Bubble Championship, it would really
be raggedy and almost a disaster. Years they didn't make
the playoffs, they traded away all these young.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Guys that they had stockpile.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Thought they had a good team to go with Lebron,
and now even with the numbers he's putting up in
year twenty, they don't impact winning. And not only that,
Lebron's making all this money and now the Bronni situation
is gonna come next.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Allan Lee, Right, he's at USC.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
They got a bad basketball team at USC, Bronni's averaging
five or six points. Anybody else wouldn't be coming out
for the NBA. Through around, Alim, I'm missing.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Something, right, And you know obviously, you know because my
son goes to the USC.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
He's one of my students, right.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
And he covers the games a lot, and I watch
all the USC games. You know, I applaud Bronnie because
I'm so happy that he's actually this. This is my
thing with Bronnie. I don't even really look so much
at where he is basketball wise, because he's still working
the court. I can't have a cardiac arrest. It's amazing
he's even on the floor. So I celebrate that with
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all my heart to see that kid even out there.
But for these people who want to break down his
game and do all, I'm like, you know what, that's
kind of unfair to me. But yeah, you never know though,
But that whole discussion about Bronni coming out, and I
don't think there's an NBA executive that says, yeah, we'll
draft him, well.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
If they think they could get lebron Remember Rob G
correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
He has a player option.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Yeah, right, that is correct.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
So he can't alan.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
If it's the Charlotte Hornets or whatever and they want
to draft Bronnie, he could opt out of his contract
with the Lakers and play there with his son.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
It's obviously he doesn't need money, But do you want
to walk away from fifty one point four million dollars?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
No, but they can pay him something else. He's getting money.
I don't think money is really the issue. I think
it's the idea of playing with his son. But I'm
I'm if I'm the Lakers, they might have missed a
golden opportunity.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah, Reportedly the seventy six ers also call, and I
think the question was, well, you are you giving up
in bead I think that you know.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
The obviously the idea of your Philadelphia not giving up
in bed. You're going to give up everybody else. You
got to keep him beat Otherwise, what's the purpose of
making that trade?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (31:40):
The Warriors.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I wonder if the if the conversation got beyond are
you willing to trade lebron to? Or what are you
willing to give us? What's now?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I'm sure it was exactly the way they said it,
Like Jeanie said, well talk to Lebron as people before
we even talk about anything. If they're not interested, then
we're not going to even talk about it, you know
what I mean, Like, you got to get a feeler.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
I'm saying. If they called me and I'm Genie Buss,
I'm like.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Hey, let me talk to those guys and what are
you talking about here? Because I would be interested moving forward?
And then they want they got what they wanted out
of Lebron. Ell only you got a championship, Mickey Mouse
or not, Bubble or not, you got a championship with Lebron.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
What are you expecting?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Look at the Western Conference, they're like ninth or tenth.
They're not a good team. They're not winning a title.
They're not But what are you holding on to? The
tickets are already bought for the season.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
But if you're here Lebron and they and Genie ask
you whether you want to get traded, he has to
say no. You know why he has to say no
because if you still engage in the Goat conversation for
Lebron to pick up again and go play for the Warriors,
he would be destroyed by the people who are in
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the gold conversation saying you cannot even begin to compare
him to Jordan. Now, there is no way he said, yes,
get that. I get that part.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
But I'm looking at this from the Lakers standpoint that
people were interested in trading for a guy who's what
thirty nine now twenty years? What is he thirty eight
going to be thirty nine? Yeah, twenty years in the
league to wear and tear. We already talk about the impact.
(33:31):
He puts up really good numbers. They just don't win
a lot, right right. If you can move off somebody
like that and someone has value, the Lakers are going
to sell tickets.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Whether Lebron's there or not. Allen Lee, you know that
this is Los Angeles exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
But I think it goes back to your other point though,
Like if you honestly think BRONI is gonna come out
with Alan, I think he needs another year of college.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Dude, he with Lebron on year twenty one or two,
you're waiting another I don't believe.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I just don't. I don't think he's gonna get drafted.
He's coming out, that's the whole thing. So you have
to sign him as a free agent. He's gonna have
to go to the gen I.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Think somebody will draft him.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I just I just think there's too many other good
players in the country to take that gamble. He needs
another year college at.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Least, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
But I'm talking about that if they think they could
have a chance to also get Lebron, Like, that's the part.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Yeah, that's the character that happens really looks bad because
he walked anyway and you got nothing.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
And you got nothing, you got nothing.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
That that that's my sign and trade kind of thing.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I think I think Lebron's tenure is checkered at best.
And I know people say he want a title, he
want a title. I'll use a checkered This was not
what I was expecting when he not only came here allan,
when they were able to pull off the trade for
Anthony Davis, Is this what you expected? They would be
(35:00):
scuffling at this point, Lebron would be putting up points
in there at five hundred.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Team and at the end of every season, once you
get down to the second half of the season, it's
always well, we need more, right, we.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Need to trade, we need we need to make more
wholesale changes. We need to make trades, right. I just don't.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I don't see it, Robbed. You you're the resident Lakers fan.
Are you the Lebron's tenure? Is it checkered? Are you
okay with it because they want a championship? Or is
it stinky?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
If you touched it you'd have to wash your finger? Wow?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Wow, Oh my gosh. You were almost in Save Harbor.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Now.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
You know what, Rob, I think checkered is the right word,
because as a Laker fan, we are not the Cleveland Cavaliers. Like,
winning one championship does not satisfy Lakers, right.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
For them, it was the first one in fifty years
or whatever, so they're satisfied.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
For the Lakers, you know, we win two or three
a decade like this, getting one is not as big
of a deal to us, says it. It's to some
other franchises. You know, if this was Orlando, he'd have
a statue already while he's playing, right, you know, because
they don't win anything over there. But to your point,
they got the one championship, which was great, But the
rest of the four and a half five years has
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been very and even has some of the most disappointing,
uninspired basketball that I've ever seen, and I lived through
the Robert Sachray, Jeremy Lynn, Nick Young era.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Right like when.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
The Swish Parker the smush clip when when Kobe Bryant
was on I think Jimmy Kimmel and they show him
the team celebrated have losing eight straight games and how
disgusted he was, Like, I lived through that era. But
the difference was that we didn't have any expectations at
that time. So it was, yeah, this is embarrassing, but
you know, it is what it is. When Lebron came
here and they got a d the expectation was not
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just that we're going to compete, it was that we
should be one of the favorites. And year in and
year out, they go through these lows where they almost
quit on the team, usually right around the trade deadline
and the Russell Westbrook fiasco where they were one of
the most disappointing teams in NBA history. They have all
those Hall of Famers and they missed the playoffs. Like
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it's a very uneven tenure.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
And that's what I'm saying. It is definitely checkered.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You know, like some people would say, oh, you got
your championship, and that's what I'm saying. Genie Bus should
have been like, well, we got our championship. The Lebron
era wasn't a total bust, you know what I mean,
it wasn't what we expected. We got a d locked
up for years to come. Move off of Lebron. He
doesn't impact winning the way he used to, and then
we're gonna have to deal with this Bronni situation. Let
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us just wash our hands with this.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Allen rob You know what, though some Laker fans I
tell you they make they are willing to just give
excuses for the biggest thing. I remember. I saw some
Laker fans who were saying during the Kobe statue unveiling,
I darely, how could the NBA schedule the Denver Nuggets
on Kobe's statue Knight, Like it was too tough of
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a game for the Lakers to probably have.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
They wanted a cupcake.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
They wanted a cupca, Like you played the schedule what
I was supposed to give you a that was.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Supposed to be a big night the Lakers in Denver? Right,
that's a break game.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Right, like Kobe would say like, yeah, bring it on.
I'm not gonna sit here and worry about. So what
these scheduled The Nuggets beat them, unbelievable,
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Our first concern, of course, was Chris Brussard and his
staff and co host of First Things First when we
heard the news, as you know, the shooting. How many
how many dead are they reporting now? Is at two
or three?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I just won the last time that I heard, and
it's twenty two injured.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Twenty two injured? My god, but Rob, Rob the worst?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Just horrible. Nine children, Yeah, just unshotos.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Can you imagine kids going to a parade for one
of the greatest days in their sports lives, you know,
to go see your team win a championship and celebrate,
and this happens. But Rob, g you know this when
you first thought about it. When I first heard, the
first thing I thought about was Chris being there on
the scene.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
Absolutely, you know This was supposed to be a big moment,
not just for Chiefs fan but for that show specifically.
First things first on FS one, because they have become
the de facto you know, Chiefs pre and postgame show,
no doubt on FS one, and so they did a
show live from the parade.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
It was a big deal.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
It's why Chris is not here today and was not
here yesterday because of travel arrangement. So as soon as
I saw, because I had the TV on in the
background while I was prepping, they cut away from FS
one cameras unannounced, like there was no breaking news. There
was nothing. They just cut away and went directly to
Fox News and they said there was a shooting at
(01:57):
the parade. So immediately texted Chris Brussard. Thankfully, he responded
very quickly after saying he was okay, and security on
site got them out of there very quickly, and everybody
on their team was accounted for and safe.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Thank god, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So all for people who might be asking or wondering,
everything is cool with Chris, his co host and the
staff there from FS one and Sad Day all the
way around Alan real quick. And then we're gonna get
into our topic. I know you've covered parades in Detroit
and whatnot. I mean, I've covered parades. I covered when
the Mets won the World Series in nineteen eighty six
(02:35):
down you know, down Broadway and millions of people. I've
been in that when the Pistons won in two thousand
and four, covered that in Detroit down Woodward Avenue.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
When the Red.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Wings won a couple of Stanley Cups, I covered that. Alan,
You've been in those big crowds, and you know, you
pray and hope that everything goes well, but you're vulnerable.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, because it's the last thing you're thinking about. You know,
you look around and he's happy, and everybody's you know,
had like minded to be there. You're there to celebrate,
and it's the lasting in your mind to sort of
look around and be suspicious of people and constantly on
the lookout for something that's not particularly right. And then
when something like that happens, you know, somebody hears or
(03:17):
says gunshots or you even hear it. It's like a stampede.
And then that's another problem. You know, everybody's just trampling
over everybody try to get out of.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
There, and there it is, and kids can get hurt
as well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
And the stampede it's it's it's not a great scene.
It's awful in fact.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But here's what I want to ask to you, Allen Lee,
and let's talk about this. We know athletes have very
big influences right right on.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
People. You know, there's the Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
People are, oh my god, if she endorses Biden, he's
gonna win the election, you know, because he has so
many she has so many followers and all kinds of
stuff like that. But a lot of times people don't
want athletes to get involved in stuff. And here's the situation,
as unfortunate as it is, that maybe change.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Can come from it.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Patrick Mahomes could probably be the governor of Missouri if
he wants, right, three championships in five years. Yeah, I mean,
I mean, who doesn't love Patrick Mahomes if you're from Missouri.
But one of the things out there is that Missouri
has lacks gun laws. Alan they have lax gun laws.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
But you know, Rob, I'm not sure where you're going,
but California supposedly has one of the toughest gun laws
and in the country and crime and it still happens
here all the time. So I mean, there has to
be a better way, a better crackdown, and something else
has to happen. I'm win there's not enough to torrent
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right now in this country.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, well here's my point, Okay. Patrick Mahomes has a
chance to be what they always say, more than an athlete,
to transcend sports and maybe help to make change in
Missouri in the wake of this. Some people don't want
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their athletes to say anything, especially if it's against what
they believe.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Right, just play ball.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I only want to hear you talk on Sunday after
you win the game. I don't care about your political beliefs.
I don't care about what you think about anything else.
Other people would die and wish and hope that the
athletes are more than that. And because they have a platform.
Michael Jordan and you know this was criticized during his day.
(05:49):
Mike was about selling tennis sneakers, tennis shoes and T
shirts and soda pop Alan. He just treaded lightly on everything.
I mean, I know there's a famous quote attributed to
him that he never said, but it is a trip
that Republicans buy sneakers too, Like that was right, do
you remember that?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Where are you on?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Maybe Patrick Mahomes in this day and age, Lebron James
is a polarizing figure, not just because of the Jordan
thing and who's the greatest, but because he's willing to
speak out against issues. He's tweeting out, he's saying stuff,
he's putting it out there. And I remember back in
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twenty twenty about Patrick Mahomes and his support for the
Black Lives Matter movement.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
You remember that when the quarterbacks came out.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
That was big because the NFL has always been trying
to stay out of that and he felt like he
had a platform where he could do something. I'm gonna
read his quote in a minute, but but go ahead.
I just want to want to get your initial thought
on this.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
You know, sadly, Rob, I think, if anything, it would
probably only make a difference where he lives. I don't
think it'll make a difference outside of where he lives
too much.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Well, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But in Missouri, like he could maybe get something done
in a state where he's revered, he's idolized, he's worshiped.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
That is what I'm talking about, not the United States
in Missouri.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
But there are certain hot button topics in this country
that you're going to get oppositioned against, no matter how
much sense it makes or how much your ideology says,
this is what we should do. There are people who
are going to want to have guns forever. You don't
have a right to take my gun. I have its constitution.
(07:54):
This is what I believe. This is why I live
in this country. This is America. This is my right.
And I totally am on people's side with that to
some extent. I mean, as long as you're a law
abiding citizen and you're not using that weapon in a
bad way, yeah, go right ahead. But it's the other
people and it's and I think that is the issue
to me, rob in this country. It's the loopholes that
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I don't understand what politicians don't want to close.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It's the well, but that, but that, but that might
be the part where Mahomes goes after.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Those in the wake of this. I hear you. I
hear you.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And it's easy to say that you know a law
of Biden. Unfortunately, the bad guys often have the weapons,
you know, like, like, let's be realistic, you could say that, oh,
everybody's law. Everybody's not a law to biden citizen. That's
why the prisons are filled. Okay, let's just be honest
and and let me just give you the quote he had.
(08:50):
This was twenty twenty publicly after seeing all these things happen.
You remember what was going on. I'll just give you
part of his quote, and he says, I was blue
less to have this platform. This is Patrick Mahomes. Why
not use it? I know I have this platform.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
I know not.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Everyone will agree with it, but I'm going to do
my best to make this world a better place, and
this is the right moment to do it. That's when
he came out publicly in support of Black Lives Matter,
and a lot of people didn't want to hear about
black all lives matter. But what was happening alan at
(09:30):
that time was on on Black men were being killed
by the police. Didn't no other way to say it.
And if that wasn't reason enough to stand up and
push back and say no, we're not going to tolerate this,
here might be another opportunity, and I guess that's it.
I would not have any problem if Patrick Mahomes wanted
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to get on this soapbox and try to get things
changed in his state. And what I mean you know
where he's an icon, a hero to so many people.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Right, But you know, Rob, there have been so many
tragedies in this country where things have not changed one bit.
You know, look at Avaldi, look at look at those
the shooting where all those kids got killed. You know,
I even well there was even a Republican congressman who
(10:29):
got shot playing in a baseball league in Washington, d C. Right, Nothing,
nothing's changed, Rob, It's.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
But does that mean that you can't try? Alan, I
don't hear you.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I hear you, And one of these days you hope
that you know every time, Like I can go on
social media right now and I can guarantee you because
I've already seen it today. I can find a gazillion
post of people who are saying, not again, what's wrong
with this world? But you know, what do we do
when it happens? Why are we going to stop doing this?
(11:03):
How many times are you going to say? When are
we going to stop doing this? And instead of actually
trying to make change, you know, there's a simple thing.
You can either go vote people out who refuse to
make change that's one way in this country. That's that's
the that's the democratic process. And enough of that doesn't happen.
(11:24):
You know, you've got people who still I'm going to
sit this one on. I'm going to sit at home.
I'm not going to vote because what difference is it
going to make here? You go, you know, you have
no right to complains. That's your attitude. You're just going
to sit it out. Don't expect it to just fix itself.
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Speaker 3 (12:20):
Alan, let's let's continue on the football. We're gonna talk
about it. We talked about it with Greg Jennings a
little bit ago about Steve Wilkes and the firing today
by the forty nine ers, And I know a lot
of people looked at this, and you know, obviously they
(12:40):
gave up the touchdown right to win the game and overtime,
so the defense failed, right, But the defense held the
Chiefs to a lot of field goals and Patrick Mahomes
didn't have any great numbers really going into it, you know,
like most of the game, three quarters of the game,
they held him in check.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
I thought the defense.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Actually played well, and their coach didn't really give them
a chance because they didn't run the football and opportune
times later in the game and the mix up about
overtime and other things. But I wasn't really in thinking,
oh my god, the defense was god awful. And I
know they didn't play that great in the other two
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games that they won, right against the Lions, you remember
that gave up twenty four points in the first half.
But in this game, I think this is one hundred
scapegoating Steve Wilkes, because if you're not gonna fire Shanahan,
somebody's gotta bite the bullet. Somebody's gotta take the hit
because here's another super Bowl. You're not winning. You ran
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Jimmy g out. He couldn't make the throws. That's what
they said, Allen when they lost that super Bowl and
they get Brock Perdy O. This guy's unbelievable. He's the
next Joe Montana. He can't make a third down pass.
But the bottom line still to me is the way
to the head coach coached this game and that's the
reason I have them losing.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Where are you on Steve Wilks in this whole scenario.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Well, first thing, I don't think it was Shanahan's decision.
I think that that probably came from John Lynch and
the other people in the front office, because I think
even Lynch came out and said there were some things
he was sort of displeased about in the game on defense.
So I believe that was pressure coming from the front
office to Shanahan, and it was and who knows at
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that point in time. You know, when that happens, it's like, look,
you either go down there and you have to do
this or we're going to be discussing you going out
the door. But we need you know, and it's going
to be one of these things. We like what you're
doing with Purdy. So but you know, and the thing is,
you just lost the mc o'rians who went to Texas
to be the Texans head coach the year before. So
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you know, here's Wilkes in there, and all of a
sudden you don't have that same sort of success. But
I mean, the fact that you got to the Super
Bowl has to mean something in some respect. Like you said,
I think even Mahomes said yesterday, I saw some comment
for him where he goes, Yeah, the defense kind of
kind of had me stymy there for a little bit.
They did doing some things that you know, we had
to make some serious adjustments to alan.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
That's my point. Like you're saying, oh, there's something out
in life, I get it. The game ended on the game.
The game ended it. You know, depending on how the
game ends, it's always going to be somebody's fault, right right,
because because if it's a touchdown you give up, another
team wins.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Okay, the defense lets you down.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
If the kicker misses the kick, the kicker is the
one right here, it's his fault. If the quarterback throws
a pick at the end, it's the quarterback's fault. But
in this case, without question, I just think you have
to take a look at Kyle Shanahan. I know you
you're not buying into it. Greg didn't buy into it.
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When is it his turn? When do you stop making
people skapegoats and look at him? Because if they win,
they don't race Steve Wilkes up on their shoulders.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
You know, they raise up, they raise up Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And don't say that it never happened because in Chicago
you notice allan and a lot of fans might not
go check it out, go watch YouTube.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
And when the Bears won the Super Bowl, Buddy Ryan,
who did they raise up?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Defense?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Left?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Buddy?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
They raised up both coaches, right, Mike Dicka was raised
up by the offense and Buddy Ryan was raised up
by his defense. They had an unbelievable defense that year
that they won the Super Bowl, and they recognized Buddy Ryan.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Am I right or wrong on that.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Every practice was a competition between the offensive defense? Did
even said one time he had to go to Buddy, like,
you stop beating up on my offense. These guy's gotta
play on Sunday. You know what, though, like I said,
I don't necessarily think this was totally Shanahan's decision, because
head coaches sometimes hate having to get rid of the
guys brought on board. And right here locally, Lincoln Raley
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at USC, I mean, for two seasons, fans, boosters and
everybody else is saying, dude, you got to get rid
of Alex Grinch. Grinch has got to go. And it
just took him forever. He put his foot on the
ground firmly and says, nope, that's my guy. You know,
it's not necessarily defense. And it finally it took Caleb
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Williams basically going into the stands crying with his mom
because that was such a bad optic to finally get
that guy fired. So I think head coaches sometimes are
really reluctant to go fire a guy they brought in.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
I get that, I do, but I want to broaden this.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Okay, when we want to play the blame game, Okay,
let's play the blame game. If you got to pick
one of these three guys, could you have to.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Their loss in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Was it on.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Shanahan?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
That's three Super Bowls for Shanahan now where it gave
up leads in the second half. That's three, not one,
not an overreaction to one game. Three times, including a
twenty five point lead in the second half. Okay, never
forget that in Super Bowl almost kicked in the TV set.
Couldn't believe that, now you have. Then they lost a
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ten point lead to Mahomes and the Chiefs before they
blamed Jimmy g for that. So you got Kyle Shanahan.
Then you got Steve Wilkes, right gave up the game.
They couldn't stop them. In regulation, they got the field
goal to tie the game, and then they give up
the touchdown in overtime to lose the game. But the
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whole rest of the game, they gave up one touchdown
after the moff punt at the sixteen.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
That's all they gave up. Allen, that's a stellar performance
by defense. But he's the second guy through your blame Wilkes.
And then the last one.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Is brock Purty, who if you can convert some third
downs and get first downs and eat more clock and
keep the chains moving, maybe they would win as well.
And he wasn't able to convert those third downs, So
if you.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Had to go ahead.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
But you know the problem with this though Wilkes has gone.
Even probably even if you do fire Shanahan, because then
all the assistants are probably gone when you bring in
a new head coach, because he wants to bring in
his own guys. So if you get rid of the
head coach, Wilke is likely going to be a casualty anyway.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, I get that, But that's not the same as
being run out Alan, because they're blaming you when they
clean house and they bring in a new coaching staff.
That's not because you did anything. He didn't do anything
that deserved that warranted being fired. If they had lost
the Lions game, Allen twenty four points in the first half, Yeah, okay,
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I'm on ball. That was their best defensive effort in
the postseason.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
That's not where you lose.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I mean, when you get fired, if you're bringing back
Shanahan and saying he could work through some things right
and tighten some things up, why can't Steve Wolf's come
back and tighten some things up. They had to win
a Super Bowl winning performance on defense. They gave up
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one touchdown in the game, the Patrick Mahomes Yeah, after
a sixth after a fumble after a muff punt what.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
That that's your goat.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
They allowed Patrick Mahomes one touchdown in regulation in a
Super Bowl game. Think about it, Alan, how many times
did the Chiefs have to settle for field goals because
they couldn't get in the end zone.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Oh, I hear you, I hear you. I think it's
a bad look in a bad move. It's just, you know,
I think after one season, and it's like you said,
when you listen to the other team say, hey, we
were kind of like not couldn't get anything done for
the longest time. You know, when Mahomes says, you know,
we can't get this thing working, and they're they're they're
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playing great on that side of the ball, and that's
not that guy's problem. And you and you, you brought
up the Bears from eighty five. I want an interesting
thing going back to Nick Bosa's comment about we weren't prepared.
I remember guys in that eighty five Bears teams were saying,
you know what, we went to Buddy Ryan and because
he said, it's too complex what we're doing here, and
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you need to you need to reduce this playbook and
you need to let us just be a little bit
more freer. To make decisions out there on our own.
And and and that's my point also to some degree,
if you, if you, if you call yourself a good
play and you're a great player, and you and you
are a defensive cohesive unit, and you see what's going on,
you should be able to make adjustments out there on
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your own. You know, you should be able to step
forward and go all right, I got this. I understand
what's going I understand the game now. And so if
I'm like we're having a hard time containing Mahomes on
certain plays, adjust adjust while you're out there.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
But here's my thing, Alan, if I would have said
to you the San Francisco forty nine ers would allow
Patrick Mahomes one touchdown in four quarters?
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Are you winning the super Bowl or losing?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
You better be winning it. You better be winning it.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Uh What am I missing? Am I missing? Something?
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Like I said? You better be? You better? But you
know those type of games, Oh, Rob Man. I know
you don't like to go back to talk about things
that are out of a coach's control, but you almost
when you play against somebody like Mahomes, Man, you better
almost play mistake free football because you if you know they.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Gave them the touchdown.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
But again, that wasn't the defense, that was special teams, right,
I get that, But I'm talking about going into the game.
You said they would give Patrick Mahomes the touchdown in
regulation off a moff point punt at the sixteen yard line.
That's that's his touchdown. You would take that a million
times out of a million.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Times without question.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
And yet Steve Wilkes is to blame for this.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
This is garbage and we're playing the blame game eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
So who would you adut on?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I'm pushing you to the to the to the back
of the room, and then to the to the wall.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
You gotta pick one of these three guys.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Is it Brock Purdy who couldn't get the third down
when they started throwing the football that's when the game changed.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Kyle Shanahan and his play calling at the end, or
is it Steve Wilkes.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
I'm not gonna go do you have to pick? You
have to pick one of those three.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Okay, I'm not gonna go against party because you got
us in some respects. You gotta say he's the reason
that he go there. Also, he came back against the Lions.
He made plays. He got you there, So I can't
get pretty out of there. Can't do it.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Like I said, though, Roder, the easy escapegoat out of
this whole thing is a defensive coordinator. Though.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
If a lot of those three you're picking, Steve would.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
If you're if you're Lynch, you're vested in Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Why I just told you Tony Dungee was Jennison.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I understand why because it's happened before Alan Lee. We
saw Mark Jackson had Steph Corian and Klay Thompson. They
were winning fifty games with Mark Jackson. Do you remember
in Detroit when they had Rick Carlile? What did they do?
They Jennison, Rick Carlile and guess who they brought in
Larry Brown And guess what happened?
Speaker 5 (24:47):
They won a championship the next year.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Different organizations look at things in a totally different light.
And maybe Lynch has a very good working relationship with
Shanahan and and sometimes that's enough that you know, the
guy listens to you, and the guy does what you
wanted to do, and you have a great working relationship.
So unless something totally jumps out at you, you're going
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to retain him.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
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Speaker 4 (25:50):
Depends on how well tonight goes, doesn't it?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Is that? What how it works?
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Is that what it is?
Speaker 5 (25:55):
I don't know if it's like that. If it was,
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Com studios and we're gonna go to the NBA. Allen,
our number three, Alan Lee, a legendary broadcaster from Detroit.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
I don't know how many years did you do the
morning news on nineteen Was it that long?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
My god? Yeah, tell me about it.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
I remember those mornings.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
And then the nowadays, if you do morning news on
the local television, you work from like four am to
eleven in the afternoon, right am? I?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Alan? Oh my, I just it's nuts now.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Well, because they got them there they got a field programming,
and they don't want to pay for syndicated shows.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Am I right, yeah, yeah yeah. I put my foot
down when they asked me to do five straight hours.
I oh no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
No, that's just too much unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
All right, let's get to the NBA, rob G. I
want to bring him in on this bomb show. When
I woke up this morning, I saw this thing about
the idea that the Warriors, you know, they were looking
at Lebron's comments and thinking, maybe he's frustrated in LA.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Maybe just maybe we can.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Have another title run when we get Lebron and Steph
to play together. They already got KD that got them
two championships. Maybe they can team up Lebron and Steph
and one a few more. Rob Ge, how shocked were
you when you heard this nugget?
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Well, I'll tell you what wasn't shocking about the story,
Rob Parker, is that the way it reads. According to ESPN,
the person who instigated the entire recruitment of Lebron James
the Golden State was Draymond Green, who has a history
of saying, you know what, my team's not good enough.
Let me get the biggest Batte during the block to
find my battles.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
For me because the Lebron yes man.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yes he is.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
But remember he did the same thing with Kevin Durant.
Remember they lost to Lebron. He's like, we can't beat
these guys. They gonna call KD from the parking lot
and know he's a free agent, maybe.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
He'll come to Golden State.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And then and then he ran him out of town.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
And then now that he realized they don't enough to
do it again, he's like, hey, I saw Lebron putting
out that hour glass of Mooji. Passive aggressive Bron. Let
me get him up here in the bay. So ultimately
what happened was Draymond Green told his ownership, Hey, I
think Lebron wants out of LA Let's go get him.
So his owner calls Genie Bus directly because they're tight
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like that apparently, and says, hey, we want to check
for Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (28:25):
And Genie Buss, being the owner that she is, decides,
you know what, I'm not gonna say yes or no.
I'm gonna let Lebron James decide where he wants to go.
I'm gonna say go talk to Rich Paul. If Lebron
wants to go to Golden State, maybe we'll talk about it.
If not, then we won't. So apparently they reached out
Rich Paul and Lebron said, no, we have no interest
in going to Golden State right now. Would rather stay
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in Los Angeles. And that was the end of the story.
So the headline today reads Golden State contacts Lakers about Lebron.
Lakers say, no, I.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Think Rob Alan Lee the Lakers made a big mistake
when they made that call. I would have been ready
to move on from Lebron. I mean, he doesn't impact winning.
Think about his tenure here.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Allan Lee.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
If it wasn't for that Bubble Championship, it would really
be raggedy and almost a disaster. Years they didn't make
the playoffs, they traded away all these young.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Guys that they had stockpile.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Thought they had a good team to go with Lebron,
and now even with the numbers he's putting up in
year twenty, they don't impact winning. And not only that,
Lebron's making all this money and now the Bronni situation
is gonna come next.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Allan Lee, Right, he's at USC.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
They got a bad basketball team at USC, Bronni's averaging
five or six points. Anybody else wouldn't be coming out
for the NBA. Through around, Alim, I'm missing.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Something, right, And you know obviously, you know because my
son goes to the USC.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
He's one of my students, right.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
And he covers the games a lot, and I watch
all the USC games. You know, I applaud Bronnie because
I'm so happy that he's actually this. This is my
thing with Bronnie. I don't even really look so much
at where he is basketball wise, because he's still working
the court. I can't have a cardiac arrest. It's amazing
he's even on the floor. So I celebrate that with
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all my heart to see that kid even out there.
But for these people who want to break down his
game and do all, I'm like, you know what, that's
kind of unfair to me. But yeah, you never know though,
But that whole discussion about Bronni coming out, and I
don't think there's an NBA executive that says, yeah, we'll
draft him, well.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
If they think they could get lebron Remember Rob G
correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
He has a player option.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Yeah, right, that is correct.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
So he can't alan.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
If it's the Charlotte Hornets or whatever and they want
to draft Bronnie, he could opt out of his contract
with the Lakers and play there with his son.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
It's obviously he doesn't need money, But do you want
to walk away from fifty one point four million dollars?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
No, but they can pay him something else. He's getting money.
I don't think money is really the issue. I think
it's the idea of playing with his son. But I'm
I'm if I'm the Lakers, they might have missed a
golden opportunity.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah, Reportedly the seventy six ers also call, and I
think the question was, well, you are you giving up
in bead I think that you know.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
The obviously the idea of your Philadelphia not giving up
in bed. You're going to give up everybody else. You
got to keep him beat Otherwise, what's the purpose of
making that trade?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (31:40):
The Warriors.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I wonder if the if the conversation got beyond are
you willing to trade lebron to? Or what are you
willing to give us? What's now?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I'm sure it was exactly the way they said it,
Like Jeanie said, well talk to Lebron as people before
we even talk about anything. If they're not interested, then
we're not going to even talk about it, you know
what I mean, Like, you got to get a feeler.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
I'm saying. If they called me and I'm Genie Buss,
I'm like.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Hey, let me talk to those guys and what are
you talking about here? Because I would be interested moving forward?
And then they want they got what they wanted out
of Lebron. Ell only you got a championship, Mickey Mouse
or not, Bubble or not, you got a championship with Lebron.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
What are you expecting?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Look at the Western Conference, they're like ninth or tenth.
They're not a good team. They're not winning a title.
They're not But what are you holding on to? The
tickets are already bought for the season.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
But if you're here Lebron and they and Genie ask
you whether you want to get traded, he has to
say no. You know why he has to say no
because if you still engage in the Goat conversation for
Lebron to pick up again and go play for the Warriors,
he would be destroyed by the people who are in
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the gold conversation saying you cannot even begin to compare
him to Jordan. Now, there is no way he said, yes,
get that. I get that part.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
But I'm looking at this from the Lakers standpoint that
people were interested in trading for a guy who's what
thirty nine now twenty years? What is he thirty eight
going to be thirty nine? Yeah, twenty years in the
league to wear and tear. We already talk about the impact.
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He puts up really good numbers. They just don't win
a lot, right right. If you can move off somebody
like that and someone has value, the Lakers are going
to sell tickets.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Whether Lebron's there or not. Allen Lee, you know that
this is Los Angeles exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
But I think it goes back to your other point though,
Like if you honestly think BRONI is gonna come out
with Alan, I think he needs another year of college.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Dude, he with Lebron on year twenty one or two,
you're waiting another I don't believe.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I just don't. I don't think he's gonna get drafted.
He's coming out, that's the whole thing. So you have
to sign him as a free agent. He's gonna have
to go to the gen I.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Think somebody will draft him.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I just I just think there's too many other good
players in the country to take that gamble. He needs
another year college at.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Least, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
But I'm talking about that if they think they could
have a chance to also get Lebron, Like, that's the part.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Yeah, that's the character that happens really looks bad because
he walked anyway and you got nothing.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
And you got nothing, you got nothing.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
That that that's my sign and trade kind of thing.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I think I think Lebron's tenure is checkered at best.
And I know people say he want a title, he
want a title. I'll use a checkered This was not
what I was expecting when he not only came here allan,
when they were able to pull off the trade for
Anthony Davis, Is this what you expected? They would be
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scuffling at this point, Lebron would be putting up points
in there at five hundred.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Team and at the end of every season, once you
get down to the second half of the season, it's
always well, we need more, right, we.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Need to trade, we need we need to make more
wholesale changes. We need to make trades, right. I just don't.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I don't see it, Robbed. You you're the resident Lakers fan.
Are you the Lebron's tenure? Is it checkered? Are you
okay with it because they want a championship? Or is
it stinky?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
If you touched it you'd have to wash your finger? Wow?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Wow, Oh my gosh. You were almost in Save Harbor.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Now.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
You know what, Rob, I think checkered is the right word,
because as a Laker fan, we are not the Cleveland Cavaliers. Like,
winning one championship does not satisfy Lakers, right.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
For them, it was the first one in fifty years
or whatever, so they're satisfied.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
For the Lakers, you know, we win two or three
a decade like this, getting one is not as big
of a deal to us, says it. It's to some
other franchises. You know, if this was Orlando, he'd have
a statue already while he's playing, right, you know, because
they don't win anything over there. But to your point,
they got the one championship, which was great, But the
rest of the four and a half five years has
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been very and even has some of the most disappointing,
uninspired basketball that I've ever seen, and I lived through
the Robert Sachray, Jeremy Lynn, Nick Young era.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Right like when.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
The Swish Parker the smush clip when when Kobe Bryant
was on I think Jimmy Kimmel and they show him
the team celebrated have losing eight straight games and how
disgusted he was, Like, I lived through that era. But
the difference was that we didn't have any expectations at
that time. So it was, yeah, this is embarrassing, but
you know, it is what it is. When Lebron came
here and they got a d the expectation was not
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just that we're going to compete, it was that we
should be one of the favorites. And year in and
year out, they go through these lows where they almost
quit on the team, usually right around the trade deadline
and the Russell Westbrook fiasco where they were one of
the most disappointing teams in NBA history. They have all
those Hall of Famers and they missed the playoffs. Like
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it's a very uneven tenure.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
And that's what I'm saying. It is definitely checkered.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You know, like some people would say, oh, you got
your championship, and that's what I'm saying. Genie Bus should
have been like, well, we got our championship. The Lebron
era wasn't a total bust, you know what I mean,
it wasn't what we expected. We got a d locked
up for years to come. Move off of Lebron. He
doesn't impact winning the way he used to, and then
we're gonna have to deal with this Bronni situation. Let
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us just wash our hands with this.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Allen rob You know what, though some Laker fans I
tell you they make they are willing to just give
excuses for the biggest thing. I remember. I saw some
Laker fans who were saying during the Kobe statue unveiling,
I darely, how could the NBA schedule the Denver Nuggets
on Kobe's statue Knight, Like it was too tough of
(37:58):
a game for the Lakers to probably have.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
They wanted a cupcake.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
They wanted a cupca, Like you played the schedule what
I was supposed to give you a that was.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Supposed to be a big night the Lakers in Denver? Right,
that's a break game.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Right, like Kobe would say like, yeah, bring it on.
I'm not gonna sit here and worry about. So what
these scheduled The Nuggets beat them, unbelievable,
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