March 12, 2024 • 39 mins
Chris and Rob explain why they have a big problem with the 'We Done with the 90s' social movement railing against 90s NBA basketball and tell us why they wish Shaquille O’Neal would’ve defended his own era a little more against the trolls. Plus, FOX Sports Radio Weekend host brings us another edition of Trollin’ or Rollin’.
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Trash Talking Tuesday, All Right, Rob, we spoke with Vinny
Goodwill of y'ahoo's Sports NBA writer about the We're done
with the nineties memes that are going around and trending,
and he spoke with Shack and we mentioned that with
me saying, Shaq kind of to get lightheartedly, but let's
(01:30):
hear the sound of what Shacks is and then we
can talk about it.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
It's cute, but it's natural. Now, let me tell you, Aby,
it's natural. They always compare me to World Chamberlain. I'm
looking at his seventies highlights like I would have killed
this guy. So it's just, you know, normal stuff, Like
the stuff that we see in twenty twenty four is
way more advancing stuff for sea the ninety. So if
you're a guy, especially on social media, and all you
see is the twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four or
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twenty twenty four, and then you see nineteen ninety, you're
definitely not gonna be impressed by the nineteen ninety. But
when I came into nineteen ninety, I wasn't impressed by
Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, oh Wilt Chamberlain footage. They
only had one or two moves. Nobody was banging them
under the rim, and nobody act like they wanted to
fight them. So for me being being, you know, doing
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exactly what this generation is doing. I said the same
thing about the sixties and seventies and the eighties. So
it's cute, I understand it, but it's just it's life,
you know. It's just a phase, you know, phase of
what we grow through. And they actually don't make some
good points because like I don't really have a lot
of nineties memories now. All my memories are like Steph
Curry and Anne Edwards. You know what these guys are
(02:37):
doing now.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
So interesting perspective from Shaq, Rob What are your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, I hear Shaq, and I think that's part of
what he's saying is right, But there's also the element
of trying to tear down and disrespect the past I have.
I just have a problem with that, you know. And Chris,
I don't know what it is about. I think Vinnie's right,
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happens a lot more in basketball than I can remember.
I'm trying to think of, like, uh, maybe maybe I
don't know. We've we've talked about this before about the
quarterbacking in the NFL and the difference in the numbers
because of the game was because we talked about that,
But I don't know, if I remember people like totally disrespecting.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Quarterbacks, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Like like that, the way they're doing players in the NBA,
it's kind of weird to me.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
We know that there's a difference, Chris, in how baseball
players played.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And you know what I mean and whatnot, but but
are people tearing down some of the all time greats?
Speaker 5 (03:49):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I will say this about baseball.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I think of the three major sports, robe that is
the one where.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
The players of yesteryear, now they're not as big, you
know what I mean, right, But.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
But it's probably the nature of the sport because it's
you know, it's obviously athletic, but you know, it just
that what we think of is athleticism, size, speedri speed,
jumping ability that's not as much on display in baseball.
And so I think when you look back at the
old days, so to speak, the seventies, eighties, nineties in baseball,
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you just notice they're smaller.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
But you know, you can't say they're not as skilled
or anything like.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Right, you're not trashing Ricky Henderson, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Or or right like or players of that ILK or I.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Agree, But it seems like it seems like this is
a thing in basketball. And but but I do think
it's orchestrated. I do think a lot of it is.
And there's two things going on here. A there are
some people Chris out there in order to be relevant.
(05:07):
In order to be relevant, they need Lebron James to
be that guy because they didn't see Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Now, when you say in order to be relevant, that's
not what do you mean? Yeah, I mean like it's
hard to really talk up.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Somebody you really didn't see play, like you know, like, oh, okay, right,
do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Like their commentary, they can't really get too much into it.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Right, they have seen Chris.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
We're unique, Me and you.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
We covered both guys, like seriously, right, I was.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I was most courtsided when he made that shot over
Craig Elow. I didn't watch YouTube, okay, right. I was
in Chicago every Memorial Day, Chris during his run. You
covered Michael Jordans. I covered Michael Jordan. I covered Lebron James.
We were at the game when he's scored twenty six
straight points in Detroit.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
We were there, Me and you.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
We a lot both, am I right, We've seen them
up close a.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Lot of people can't say that. So they're working in
this media space now and they don't have a real
feel for Michael Jordan other than he won six championships
and he was six and a one to five.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That's what they have, right, right, And that's why I
think this is more prevalent and out there because of
some of the people who feel like they need that
in order to I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Here, here's what I say. Yeah, you know, that's a
good take. Darick Shock is right. And when you look
back at the nineties, the first thing you will notice,
it will be eye popping is that the game was
played so close to the paint. The game was virtually
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right around the painted area. Okay, and now it is
incredibly spread out. That's the first thing you'll notice. It
looks like a different game in that respect.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So there's that.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Secondly, the players today are by and large, I would say.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
More athletic.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
That doesn't mean, you know, anybody necessarily is more athletic
than Michael Jordan, or than Dominique Wilkins or Clyde Drexler,
some of the super athletes of that era.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
But it mean I think more players.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Are athletic again what we describe as athleticism right now
than were in the nineties period. Okay, the ball handling
is better in part because they let you carry you
just do it just right. I mean, when I grew
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up and I played basketball through college, you were taught
to have your hand on top of the ball at times.
You obviously have it a little on the side, but
you had that, you pretty much had it on top
of the ball. You can't do the things with the
ball with your hands on top of it that you
can do when it's on the side all the time
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and dark half the time under the ball, all right,
So that that is in part why the ball handling
is so much.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Or is better.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
The shooting is interesting, obviously, I mean what people will
point to is that the young kids, well the's three
they shoot so much better. They actually don't, they just
shoot it more, right. Three point percentage is similar to
what it was like it's league wide three point percentage
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is thirty six point seven right now. In two thousand,
thirteen fourteen, it was thirty six percent. In two thousand
and eight and nine, it was thirty six point seven.
In uh two thousand and one two it was thirty
five point four, all right, two ninety six, ninety seven.
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I think that might have been. Those might have been
the years where they had the shorter line it was
thirty six percent. But my point is it's very close.
It's hovered around thirty five percent.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But they stand on this idea skilled Chris like well.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Like skilled like I said, no, handlingess is different because
they're carrying the shooting. If guys, what they figured out
for those that don't know most some people may notice
a lot don't rob.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
And it's amazing that it did.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Take people so long to figure this out because what
the analytics people realized at some point was, you know what,
because rob fifty percent shooting from the field was the standard,
Like if you do that, that's excellent. That pussy for
a perimeter player guard, that's excellent. That's what you were.
(10:08):
You were shooting pretty good percentage if you shot fifty
percent from two. What the analytics people figured out was, well,
if you shoot thirty three percent from three, that's the
equivalent of fifty percent from two. And we can shoot
better than thirty three percent. We can shoot thirty four,
thirty five.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Percent, thirty six percent, right.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
So that is we should just keep doing that instead
of going for these twos. And they figured that out
and that is what sparked the three point revolution. I again,
obviously you got power forwards and centers even shooting threes.
But my point is the guy the shooters back then
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could shoot just as well.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Because the percentages are pretty similar.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
They just didn't shoot as much, didn't shoot a lot
of them. And here's the ultimate thing, Rob, I believe
that while I give today's players advantages in certain ways,
I also think they're disadvantaged in certain ways. They're not
as fundamentally sound in terms of playing team basketball. I
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mean five player basketball, not just high pick and roll,
which is two man ball or ISO one man ball.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
You know, and you do what you can and if
you can't get a shot, you kick it out to
a teammate.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
That's what today's American players are being raised in whereas
it used to be.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And this includes Michael Jordan and his generation.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
They were raised playing five man basketball, moving without the
Luca Doc just can't move without the basketball.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
And no, no he's not American, but he doesn't know
what to do with it enough.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
The balls in his hands, all right, And the players
of back in the day, would Michael Jordan would move
without the ball set some screw. They knew how to
make post entry passes, they knew how to guard the post.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
They have post moves.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Those are the things I'm talking about when I say
the fundamentals aren't where they used to be.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And so I would tell you that while.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
The players that they are more athletic have better handles
again carrying, but still the teams of the nineties could
play with these teams and beat them at tyer b
I think it'd be just as good because they played
five man basketball, whereas today they're just playing pick and roll.
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Two man, the other three guys spread the floor and
I'll kick it to you. Or one man basketball. I'm
gonna create one on one and kick it to you.
If I can't get anything.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
That's easier to guard, it's easier to stop and rob.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
If you look at the teams that just say gave
Lebron trouble, the Spurs why they played five man team basketball,
the Warriors, why they played five man team basketball. What
is Denver doing now? Five man team basketball? Denver is
not the most talented team in the world.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
No, you should look, and that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
You can look at Jokic, Luka, Steph, James Harden there.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
None of them are what we.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Call athletic today, you know, by today's NBA standards. But
they're skilled. And I don't mean just ball handling skilled,
I mean skilled. And the players in the nineties were
skilled and could play with these guys.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So that's kind of my breakdown of it, you know.
And the memes Rob, I could take.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I could take bad plays from Lebron, I could take
bad plays from Jordan. I could take bad plays from you,
Luca and make it look like these dudes.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Don't know what they're doing. But Chris did anybody can
do that, didn't We talk about this.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
We watched the video of Russell Westbrook, remember the collection
of shots and airballs, And that was in the nineties.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And he's one of the best players in this at
the time, all time, right, Remember the video we saw
and we were like, that wasn't even his lifetime of
misshots or bad shot that was one.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Season, right, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I mean the biggest thing is the game has changed,
and it's the same thing.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'm glad you brought up the quarterbacks. Rob.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
The quarterbacks today. I believe it's the hardest thing to
do in sports. It's played quarterback. But they have made
it a lot easier for these guys than if you
could protect right, you ain't even get hitting certain parts
of your body.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Used to be able to get. Everything was fair game.
Your receivers, look at Go look at phil Simms.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Right, got crushed, Chris, They got crushed right.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
That's why their completion percentages are lower, passer rating are lower,
their touchdowns are lower, the interceptions are higher because it
was harder. You sit in the pocket now, Rob, and you,
I mean you just sitting there. It's almost like you're
playing touch if you're a quarterback. And so you you
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have to know these things when you talk about the eras.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So you don't sound ignorant to be quite honest, all right?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
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Nineties Basketball.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Are you done with it? Your thoughts?
Speaker 6 (16:57):
All right?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
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Speaker 8 (17:03):
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Speaker 9 (17:06):
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Crank your body, thank you man.
Speaker 10 (17:09):
All right, here here it is. Here's my breakdown right now.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
If you put that seventy with a seventy two and
nine gold to state versus seventy three ten bulls.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
No reverse, the Bulls were seventy two to the seventy
two and one seventy three.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
If you put that in a seven game series, I
don't feel like the Bulls went in any simulation.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
Honestly, as far.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
As you don't feel like the bulls what, I.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Don't feel like the Bulls will win any simulation in
the seven game series.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
First, that go to stats, how you playing offense, how
you play? Can you touch people or you can't touch people?
Which one is it?
Speaker 8 (17:46):
You can't you can touch people.
Speaker 10 (17:47):
You can touch people, so you can play.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
The d Okay, I think the Bulls would beat them.
And here's here's my give me your explanation and.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Keep you more.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
You okay, I'll give you, I'll give you more.
Speaker 10 (17:59):
Think about it.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
Think about these Bulls team. What's the prototype of today's
players that they had to go get that they had
trouble with your Grant Hills or remember that Orlando squad.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Bulls didn't have trouble with anybody. They never even got
the seven games in the finals.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
They never had trouble who to have trouble with.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And defensively, defensively, the staff and those guys would be
touched where they can't be touched.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Now, okay, go.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Ahead, give me I'm still waiting for a legitimates A.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
Legitimate argument right now is think about your personnel one
through five versus one through five in today's game. Right,
So you have a lot of defensive specialists for that
Bulls team, which is the Grant Horace Grant and your
Scottie Tepee, and you got your Michael doing your thing.
But on the other side, though, what you're saying like
spreading the ball out and far spreading and passing and
shooting and then having space everybody's playing in the pick.
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It wasn't used to being Icelana Island way out there
in three point whence I think that would be the
disadvantage of the nineties players.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Well, a big, a big thing would be, how would
they what would the rules be, board night rules, nineties rules,
y'all be in trouble, all right, because Kevin Durant, as
great as he is, and he is in all the
time great, we have seen that physical.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Play years ago. He looked like he looked bad against Boston.
He's turning the ball over. He couldn't bring it up court.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
That that well, and that wasn't even as physical.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And hold on to you, I listened to you.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Let me finish as much as they That wasn't even
as physical as they used to be in the nineties.
And I'm Aaron Gordon has bothered Kevin Durant just by
being physical with him. Durant ain't dominating, not putting up numbers,
He ain't dominating nothing because they getting a little.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Physical with him.
Speaker 10 (19:52):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
And here's the thing. Those nineties bulls you're talking about.
Tony Kukoach could shoot, thank you, Dennis Rodman could guard,
Michael Jordan, Rob.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Harper, Scottie Pitt been all guard.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
I think they could guard Steph Clay and Durant, I know,
because they just get physical with him. And then Draymond
ain't hard to guard. And usually they they had a big,
so you could put cuckoach on Draymon and Rob men
they had a big, the Warriors would have not whether
it's Bogan or Festus Azilee or JaVale McGee, one of
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those bigs.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Rob me could guard them. I'm serious. I think the
bulls would beat them out of true.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Chris, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Because, like I said, you can't all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Three years ago, if you had said, man, what would
them dudes in the nineties do with Kevin Durant, you
might have had a point when you're like, man, this dude,
the seven footer.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Shooting jumpers from twenty feet and beyond.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
He don't even shoot a lot of threes, but shooting
the mid range jumper like that, what would they do
with him? Well, we've seen they get physical with him,
and you had guys. Bob McAdoo was similar to that
back in the day. He's All of Famer, but he
didn't dominate get physical with him.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
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Speaker 1 (21:13):
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Speaker 5 (21:23):
Thank you guys too.
Speaker 9 (21:24):
Yeah, yeah, man, this is this is trip dot. I
hear what understand what Shaq is saying because you obviously
look back. If you don't, you know you didn't experience it.
But what about with this area where we get done
with the We're done with the step back travels, the
five on five three point shooting contest, the carrying the
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file baiting by people like James Harden. What if we're
done with all that? And to say somebody says Jordan,
did Jordan have a left to stop it?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I mean that's ridiculously somebody video showing him going left,
not only going left.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
But finishing left all the time. Let me say this too.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Let me say this and again, I only played Division
III college basketball, and I wasn't a star in college,
so I'm not acting like I was all great, but
I could go left. I hate it when people act
like being able to finish with your off hand.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
It's something difficult.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
If you're playing in the NBA level, you can generally
finish with your left hand or your right hand, whichever
one is the off That ain't nothing special, and your
darn sure can go that way off the dribble. I'm
sorry you don't know basketball. If you sitting here acting
like somebody is special. Oh he finished with his left
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Stop it.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I can go to a good high school game and
see that.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
And I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about thirty
years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Come on, man, Oh he finished it. Look out, they
finished with the offhand. Now I'm gonna stop it. There's
one NBA player I knew.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I mean a guard who was a great high school
superstar and he ended up playing in the Pros and
he couldn't finish with his off hand. And I would
tell him, dude, this is before he got to the pros.
You gotta finish, start using your off hand. You gotta
start using off hand. He was so fast and so
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quick that he didn't need it in high school, but
it hurt him in the league. But that's rare. Most
guys can finish with their off hand, and you darn
sure can dribble to your off.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
You know side.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
So let's stop acting like that's something special or difficult.
Jordan couldn't finish with his offhand. Come on, man, unbelieva, Right,
I like this topic. Do we have a lot of
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Speaker 6 (25:30):
Wait, man, you just kind of threw annet.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
What was that? What was that?
Speaker 6 (25:35):
I said? The way he said? Old man Joe flaccoh
he kind.
Speaker 12 (25:38):
Of like you.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh, I mean, I'm gonna roll with it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Joe Flackoh, God bless him. He was great last year.
But I think they did this for a couple of reasons.
We know he turned back into a pumpkin in the playoffs. Okay,
So the likelihood of Flacco, what is he thirty nine,
thirty nine at his age duplicating what he did for
those few games at the end of the season, that
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was unlikely.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
That's number one, number two, and I bet you agree
with this.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Rob Jamis is not viewed as a threat, Like if
DeShawn starts slowly, nobody's gonna be like, oh uh, oh,
let's go with Jamis. If DeShawn started slowly and Flacco
was there and people remembered what he did at the
end of this past season, you would indeed have a
(26:36):
drum beat for Joe Flacco to start playing.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And so I think that was also part of this.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And again that couple with the unlikelihood of Flacco playing
great again this year, I think it was the right move.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I'm with Chris, I'm rolling with it. They see me
roll yeah, because Joe flat go. That kind of worked
out for them Chris during that time, but then when
it really mattered, he did.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Turn into a pumpkin like Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So going forward, you just need somebody to be there
in case that Sean Watson gets hurt and James Winston
he can fill that role and nobody's thinking he's going
to be a starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I like to move.
Speaker 10 (27:21):
I know this. I would have liked him to be
the starting quarterback in New Orleans that is Derek Carr,
but that well, I.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Think Denver should have went for him because Peyton had
some success win him in New Orleans.
Speaker 10 (27:32):
Counted arm trolling and Rowland Fox Sports Radio. This is
the odd couple. Now, Kobe Bryant's statue in Bailing was
like a month ago, and it's been outside of Crypto
dot com arena for about a month. But it took
all this time for people to realize there are several
typos on the box score of Kobe's eighty one point
games Jose calderon von Wafer and this is the best one.
(27:55):
They spelled decision wrong after spelling it right. It sounds
to me like the Lakers made the wrong decision when
commissioning the statue. But also it's also kind of wild.
It took a month for anyone to notice Chris trolling
and rolling These statue typos are embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Oh I'm rolling with that. That Come on, come on,
how right? How does that happen? How in the world
does that happen? You might as well have misspelled Lakers
on this jersey. I mean seriously, that that can't happen people.
(28:35):
That's just it's unfortunate.
Speaker 10 (28:36):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
This is Kobe Bryant, a legend, and you making careless
mistakes like that.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Terrible, just terrible.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
I'm with Chris.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I know it sounds like the choir, but I'm rolling
with it. It is embarrassing, and that stuffs supposed to
be proof read whoever's quality control, you gotta make sure
can we see what it's says before you start putting
it together?
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Do you know what I mean? And before you you
do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
That's why we come from newspaper backgrounds, Chris.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
No matter how.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Good of writers we are, we had two or three
editors who read our stories, like three people read it
before it got in the paper. Three people for a reason,
because we people. People make mistakes and you need people
to back it up. And I don't know where their
proof readers were, but they swung and missed, and shame
on the Lakers, Shame on them.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
They need to do it over. They need to do
I'm sorry, they need to do it over.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I don't disagree with that. You cannot leave that with
misspellings in it.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
No, No, you got the other one, don't they have
the other statue?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Put that one out and then take this one back
and redo it right.
Speaker 10 (29:46):
So I looked this up earlier today because the Vietnam
Veterans Memorial had a few names filter in it, about
one hundred of the names that are on the wall
in DC. They said it costs four thousand dollars to
fix a name on this at you and that was
on the Vietnam veteran memorials. I imagine you'd be similar
on this. So they got like twelve to get fixed.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
But Martin, the problem with this is and and I
could see with some names with that many names could
be misspelled. I do see that, but decision like like
like stuff like that. I'm sorry, that's not a name, Chris,
where where you could ease? You've been writing all day.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
You know what I mean, mixed up?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
But it's.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
And Rob, you know, I know we both you know
mentor some young guys right and I have got send
me their resume and cover letters and I'm like, don't
send me anything. Your resume better not have any typos
and miss because because that that was the case when
we used to send their resumes, when you were typing
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them and you didn't have to computer that will point
out every misspelling or grammar. If you do that today,
you just being downright lazy.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Chris, I had a student of mind recently and that
got on this case.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
But he had a misspelling him in his story.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I said, this is only totally unacceptable because you have
spell check on your lap.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yes, there's no way you could read this.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Over because there would have been Martin a red squiggly
lined under it.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Am I right? Absolutely no typeos no type.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
When I was in Jay school, I was the last one.
I was in Jay school. Alan A. Rampson would fail
to pay fail the assignment in general if they had
a type.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Because look, and I tell young people this, if I
have five job openings for two hundred applicants, I'm looking
for reasons to chop this list.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Down right and an easy list.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
The reason is, oh wow, he misspelled the month on
his resume. Oh wow, he misspelled you know this or
that on his resume. If he can't even do that
with spell check and all these checks in the computers today,
then how's he gonna do it for us?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Chris? You ready?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
When I got the comments job in Detroit, they told
me that one of the guys who was up for it,
they asked us to write about Alan Trammel and and
one of the applicants. One of the guys wrote, Alan
A L L E N. Alan Trammel is a L
A N. You know what I mean, Like, that's a
huge mistage that means you did not research it to
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make sure Alan didn't spell different ways.
Speaker 10 (32:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
First, you didn't know him, and that's how he was
a good baseball player. Secondly, you didn't you didn't search it.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah, yeah, quick, quick, all right.
Speaker 10 (32:55):
The Big Slim.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Win. I like that, The Big.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Slim, The Big Slim. He's adjusted to the NBA nicely,
but had a welcome to the NBA type moment yesterday
night Wendy reached for a steal and trace Jackson Davis.
They say, you reached, you teach. He taught him something,
driving past him, dunking all over the French connection. Afterwards,
Vic said, getting dunked on is nothing. It is part
(33:22):
of the game. I dunk on a lot of people,
and a lot of people dunk on me too. But
I block more often than I get dunked on, So
that's a positive. Chris trolling or rolling the Big Slim
saying getting dunked on is nothing.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I'm rolling with it, and I love the attitude.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Too many dudes won't go up for a block because
they're afraid to get poster rided.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Man, everybody's been dunked on.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I Matumbo Alonzo Mourning Shock the best dunkers have been
are blockers have been dunked on?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
A keem So yeah, I'm I'm Rob.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Is it Kevin Johnson that dunked on a team and
like sat on his shoulders as like that?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I mean, come on now, I'm totally with Wimby's.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Ayah, I'm with Wimby too. I'm rolling with they see me.
It ain't the end of the world, my god.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
If you play long enough and you're gonna defend Chris
or try to block or do something, you're gonna get
dunked on.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Absolutely all right, all right, thank you, Martin, good bro.
All right, it's the Eye couple, Chris and Rob.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
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Speaker 3 (35:14):
Your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
All right, Brian in Michigan. You're on the couple of
Fox Sports Radio. What's up beat?
Speaker 12 (35:20):
Hey?
Speaker 10 (35:20):
What's happening? Fellas?
Speaker 6 (35:21):
How is Hey?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
God?
Speaker 13 (35:23):
I just wanted to comment on something you guys said
earlier about being in the unique position that you have
to be there for both the generations. You know, I'm
from a little town just south of Detroit. Rob, I
know you covered Detroit sports for years.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (35:40):
I was there.
Speaker 13 (35:41):
You know when Jordan came to the Palace. I was
there when Carl Malone came in Barkley, We took road
trips to Chicago. Today's basketball compared to then, I don't
even know how some of these media outlets and these
younger guys today can comment on it. I mean, it
was just a total different type of basketball. It's it's
(36:01):
the physicality back then compared today is it's just not
even it.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
And I'm gonna be honest, I don't want to go
back to eight.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
You no, we don't want to go there.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
But but but I think there's a happy medium.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, like like you can't have what we saw at
the All Star Game where nobody's trying, like like we
can't we can't go there, Chris.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Would you right?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Non't want that? That's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
But and that doesn't hurt your argument that today's ball
is so great. I mean, when we see that mess,
you don't even want to compete, which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Sean in Wisconsin, you're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
What's up, Sean?
Speaker 10 (36:39):
What's going on?
Speaker 11 (36:39):
Fellers? Man? Love the show like always, thank you? Okay, So,
I mean I'm twenty nine years old, man, I mean
I grew up in the Solovie era. You know, I
think ninety basketball with the physicality and the hand check,
and I think it's more interesting for personally than just
chucking up logo three.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, unfortunately, goals, but we got we got just wa
we got, yeah, we got.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Kobe was certainly much more of a nineties player than
absolutely There's no laws, no doubt, Chris.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
We got Dwight in Riverside, California. You're on the odd
Couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
What up, Dwight?
Speaker 12 (37:19):
Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 10 (37:20):
Guys?
Speaker 14 (37:20):
A lovely show. I never want to miss your Guys's show.
I miss all the other show on Fox Sports, but
I never miss your Guys show.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
Well, we appreciate go ahead.
Speaker 12 (37:32):
Yeah, I just wanted to comment.
Speaker 14 (37:34):
You know. I was cleaning up the house on Sunday
and I was on YouTube and they had a March seventh,
nineteen ninety six Bulls versus Detroit Pistons, and it was
the whole game. They even had the commercials in the
nineties and everything.
Speaker 12 (37:49):
And I watched the game and just seeing the solidity
of the triangle off fantas, seeing Grant Hill and Joe
Dumars late in his career, and Rodman and Tony. It's
just a totally different game. No, it is shooting the
rings everything.
Speaker 14 (38:08):
I watched it. I watched try to Shoot It three
and they cut the Phil Jacksons.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Probably Chris probably right rightfully, So Dwight, thanks, we got
to get out of here.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Thanks you all right.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
It's the eye couple Chris and Rob. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Rob, that's an interesting discussion, and we're not I'm not
trying to shoot down to day's players. I think today's
players are great. Uh, it's really the rules is what's
so different. Rob and the analytics, the impact of analytics.
I just think a happy medium is always best. We've
seen it in a lot of these sports. Rob baseball,
we saw it analytics. Some things that might be strategically
(38:48):
good just aren't good for the overall game. The shift
was great. Defensively, again, went too far with it. They
went too far right right. We want to see some hits,
some singles, and in the NBA, ROB, we want to
see some defense. We don't want seventy eighty point games,
but we do want some resistance.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
Please, some resistance.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Yes, all right, we will check you guys out tomorrow.
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Trash Talking Tuesday, All Right, Rob, we spoke with Vinny
Goodwill of y'ahoo's Sports NBA writer about the We're done
with the nineties memes that are going around and trending,
and he spoke with Shack and we mentioned that with
me saying, Shaq kind of to get lightheartedly, but let's
(01:30):
hear the sound of what Shacks is and then we
can talk about it.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
It's cute, but it's natural. Now, let me tell you, Aby,
it's natural. They always compare me to World Chamberlain. I'm
looking at his seventies highlights like I would have killed
this guy. So it's just, you know, normal stuff, Like
the stuff that we see in twenty twenty four is
way more advancing stuff for sea the ninety. So if
you're a guy, especially on social media, and all you
see is the twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four or
(01:54):
twenty twenty four, and then you see nineteen ninety, you're
definitely not gonna be impressed by the nineteen ninety. But
when I came into nineteen ninety, I wasn't impressed by
Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, oh Wilt Chamberlain footage. They
only had one or two moves. Nobody was banging them
under the rim, and nobody act like they wanted to
fight them. So for me being being, you know, doing
(02:15):
exactly what this generation is doing. I said the same
thing about the sixties and seventies and the eighties. So
it's cute, I understand it, but it's just it's life,
you know. It's just a phase, you know, phase of
what we grow through. And they actually don't make some
good points because like I don't really have a lot
of nineties memories now. All my memories are like Steph
Curry and Anne Edwards. You know what these guys are
(02:37):
doing now.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
So interesting perspective from Shaq, Rob What are your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, I hear Shaq, and I think that's part of
what he's saying is right, But there's also the element
of trying to tear down and disrespect the past I have.
I just have a problem with that, you know. And Chris,
I don't know what it is about. I think Vinnie's right,
(03:04):
happens a lot more in basketball than I can remember.
I'm trying to think of, like, uh, maybe maybe I
don't know. We've we've talked about this before about the
quarterbacking in the NFL and the difference in the numbers
because of the game was because we talked about that,
But I don't know, if I remember people like totally disrespecting.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Quarterbacks, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Like like that, the way they're doing players in the NBA,
it's kind of weird to me.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
We know that there's a difference, Chris, in how baseball
players played.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And you know what I mean and whatnot, but but
are people tearing down some of the all time greats?
Speaker 5 (03:49):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I will say this about baseball.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I think of the three major sports, robe that is
the one where.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
The players of yesteryear, now they're not as big, you
know what I mean, right, But.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
But it's probably the nature of the sport because it's
you know, it's obviously athletic, but you know, it just
that what we think of is athleticism, size, speedri speed,
jumping ability that's not as much on display in baseball.
And so I think when you look back at the
old days, so to speak, the seventies, eighties, nineties in baseball,
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you just notice they're smaller.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
But you know, you can't say they're not as skilled
or anything like.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Right, you're not trashing Ricky Henderson, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Or or right like or players of that ILK or I.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Agree, But it seems like it seems like this is
a thing in basketball. And but but I do think
it's orchestrated. I do think a lot of it is.
And there's two things going on here. A there are
some people Chris out there in order to be relevant.
(05:07):
In order to be relevant, they need Lebron James to
be that guy because they didn't see Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Now, when you say in order to be relevant, that's
not what do you mean? Yeah, I mean like it's
hard to really talk up.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Somebody you really didn't see play, like you know, like, oh, okay, right,
do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Like their commentary, they can't really get too much into it.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Right, they have seen Chris.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
We're unique, Me and you.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
We covered both guys, like seriously, right, I was.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I was most courtsided when he made that shot over
Craig Elow. I didn't watch YouTube, okay, right. I was
in Chicago every Memorial Day, Chris during his run. You
covered Michael Jordans. I covered Michael Jordan. I covered Lebron James.
We were at the game when he's scored twenty six
straight points in Detroit.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
We were there, Me and you.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
We a lot both, am I right, We've seen them
up close a.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Lot of people can't say that. So they're working in
this media space now and they don't have a real
feel for Michael Jordan other than he won six championships
and he was six and a one to five.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That's what they have, right, right, And that's why I
think this is more prevalent and out there because of
some of the people who feel like they need that
in order to I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Here, here's what I say. Yeah, you know, that's a
good take. Darick Shock is right. And when you look
back at the nineties, the first thing you will notice,
it will be eye popping is that the game was
played so close to the paint. The game was virtually
(07:03):
right around the painted area. Okay, and now it is
incredibly spread out. That's the first thing you'll notice. It
looks like a different game in that respect.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So there's that.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Secondly, the players today are by and large, I would say.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
More athletic.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
That doesn't mean, you know, anybody necessarily is more athletic
than Michael Jordan, or than Dominique Wilkins or Clyde Drexler,
some of the super athletes of that era.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
But it mean I think more players.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Are athletic again what we describe as athleticism right now
than were in the nineties period. Okay, the ball handling
is better in part because they let you carry you
just do it just right. I mean, when I grew
(08:01):
up and I played basketball through college, you were taught
to have your hand on top of the ball at times.
You obviously have it a little on the side, but
you had that, you pretty much had it on top
of the ball. You can't do the things with the
ball with your hands on top of it that you
can do when it's on the side all the time
(08:24):
and dark half the time under the ball, all right,
So that that is in part why the ball handling
is so much.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Or is better.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
The shooting is interesting, obviously, I mean what people will
point to is that the young kids, well the's three
they shoot so much better. They actually don't, they just
shoot it more, right. Three point percentage is similar to
what it was like it's league wide three point percentage
(08:56):
is thirty six point seven right now. In two thousand,
thirteen fourteen, it was thirty six percent. In two thousand
and eight and nine, it was thirty six point seven.
In uh two thousand and one two it was thirty
five point four, all right, two ninety six, ninety seven.
(09:16):
I think that might have been. Those might have been
the years where they had the shorter line it was
thirty six percent. But my point is it's very close.
It's hovered around thirty five percent.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But they stand on this idea skilled Chris like well.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Like skilled like I said, no, handlingess is different because
they're carrying the shooting. If guys, what they figured out
for those that don't know most some people may notice
a lot don't rob.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
And it's amazing that it did.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Take people so long to figure this out because what
the analytics people realized at some point was, you know what,
because rob fifty percent shooting from the field was the standard,
Like if you do that, that's excellent. That pussy for
a perimeter player guard, that's excellent. That's what you were.
(10:08):
You were shooting pretty good percentage if you shot fifty
percent from two. What the analytics people figured out was, well,
if you shoot thirty three percent from three, that's the
equivalent of fifty percent from two. And we can shoot
better than thirty three percent. We can shoot thirty four,
thirty five.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Percent, thirty six percent, right.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
So that is we should just keep doing that instead
of going for these twos. And they figured that out
and that is what sparked the three point revolution. I again,
obviously you got power forwards and centers even shooting threes.
But my point is the guy the shooters back then
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could shoot just as well.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Because the percentages are pretty similar.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
They just didn't shoot as much, didn't shoot a lot
of them. And here's the ultimate thing, Rob, I believe
that while I give today's players advantages in certain ways,
I also think they're disadvantaged in certain ways. They're not
as fundamentally sound in terms of playing team basketball. I
(11:18):
mean five player basketball, not just high pick and roll,
which is two man ball or ISO one man ball.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
You know, and you do what you can and if
you can't get a shot, you kick it out to
a teammate.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
That's what today's American players are being raised in whereas
it used to be.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And this includes Michael Jordan and his generation.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
They were raised playing five man basketball, moving without the
Luca Doc just can't move without the basketball.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
And no, no he's not American, but he doesn't know
what to do with it enough.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
The balls in his hands, all right, And the players
of back in the day, would Michael Jordan would move
without the ball set some screw. They knew how to
make post entry passes, they knew how to guard the post.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
They have post moves.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Those are the things I'm talking about when I say
the fundamentals aren't where they used to be.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And so I would tell you that while.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
The players that they are more athletic have better handles
again carrying, but still the teams of the nineties could
play with these teams and beat them at tyer b
I think it'd be just as good because they played
five man basketball, whereas today they're just playing pick and roll.
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Two man, the other three guys spread the floor and
I'll kick it to you. Or one man basketball. I'm
gonna create one on one and kick it to you.
If I can't get anything.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
That's easier to guard, it's easier to stop and rob.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
If you look at the teams that just say gave
Lebron trouble, the Spurs why they played five man team basketball,
the Warriors, why they played five man team basketball. What
is Denver doing now? Five man team basketball? Denver is
not the most talented team in the world.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
No, you should look, and that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
You can look at Jokic, Luka, Steph, James Harden there.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
None of them are what we.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Call athletic today, you know, by today's NBA standards. But
they're skilled. And I don't mean just ball handling skilled,
I mean skilled. And the players in the nineties were
skilled and could play with these guys.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So that's kind of my breakdown of it, you know.
And the memes Rob, I could take.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I could take bad plays from Lebron, I could take
bad plays from Jordan. I could take bad plays from you,
Luca and make it look like these dudes.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Don't know what they're doing. But Chris did anybody can
do that, didn't We talk about this.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
We watched the video of Russell Westbrook, remember the collection
of shots and airballs, And that was in the nineties.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And he's one of the best players in this at
the time, all time, right, Remember the video we saw
and we were like, that wasn't even his lifetime of
misshots or bad shot that was one.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Season, right, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I mean the biggest thing is the game has changed,
and it's the same thing.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'm glad you brought up the quarterbacks. Rob.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
The quarterbacks today. I believe it's the hardest thing to
do in sports. It's played quarterback. But they have made
it a lot easier for these guys than if you
could protect right, you ain't even get hitting certain parts
of your body.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Used to be able to get. Everything was fair game.
Your receivers, look at Go look at phil Simms.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Right, got crushed, Chris, They got crushed right.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
That's why their completion percentages are lower, passer rating are lower,
their touchdowns are lower, the interceptions are higher because it
was harder. You sit in the pocket now, Rob, and you,
I mean you just sitting there. It's almost like you're
playing touch if you're a quarterback. And so you you
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Speaker 3 (15:20):
So you don't sound ignorant to be quite honest, all right?
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Speaker 3 (16:54):
Are you done with it? Your thoughts?
Speaker 6 (16:57):
All right?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
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Speaker 9 (17:06):
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Crank your body, thank you man.
Speaker 10 (17:09):
All right, here here it is. Here's my breakdown right now.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
If you put that seventy with a seventy two and
nine gold to state versus seventy three ten bulls.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
No reverse, the Bulls were seventy two to the seventy
two and one seventy three.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
If you put that in a seven game series, I
don't feel like the Bulls went in any simulation.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
Honestly, as far.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
As you don't feel like the bulls what, I.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Don't feel like the Bulls will win any simulation in
the seven game series.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
First, that go to stats, how you playing offense, how
you play? Can you touch people or you can't touch people?
Which one is it?
Speaker 8 (17:46):
You can't you can touch people.
Speaker 10 (17:47):
You can touch people, so you can play.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
The d Okay, I think the Bulls would beat them.
And here's here's my give me your explanation and.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Keep you more.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
You okay, I'll give you, I'll give you more.
Speaker 10 (17:59):
Think about it.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
Think about these Bulls team. What's the prototype of today's
players that they had to go get that they had
trouble with your Grant Hills or remember that Orlando squad.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Bulls didn't have trouble with anybody. They never even got
the seven games in the finals.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
They never had trouble who to have trouble with.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And defensively, defensively, the staff and those guys would be
touched where they can't be touched.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Now, okay, go.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Ahead, give me I'm still waiting for a legitimates A.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
Legitimate argument right now is think about your personnel one
through five versus one through five in today's game. Right,
So you have a lot of defensive specialists for that
Bulls team, which is the Grant Horace Grant and your
Scottie Tepee, and you got your Michael doing your thing.
But on the other side, though, what you're saying like
spreading the ball out and far spreading and passing and
shooting and then having space everybody's playing in the pick.
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It wasn't used to being Icelana Island way out there
in three point whence I think that would be the
disadvantage of the nineties players.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Well, a big, a big thing would be, how would
they what would the rules be, board night rules, nineties rules,
y'all be in trouble, all right, because Kevin Durant, as
great as he is, and he is in all the
time great, we have seen that physical.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Play years ago. He looked like he looked bad against Boston.
He's turning the ball over. He couldn't bring it up court.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
That that well, and that wasn't even as physical.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And hold on to you, I listened to you.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Let me finish as much as they That wasn't even
as physical as they used to be in the nineties.
And I'm Aaron Gordon has bothered Kevin Durant just by
being physical with him. Durant ain't dominating, not putting up numbers,
He ain't dominating nothing because they getting a little.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Physical with him.
Speaker 10 (19:52):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
And here's the thing. Those nineties bulls you're talking about.
Tony Kukoach could shoot, thank you, Dennis Rodman could guard,
Michael Jordan, Rob.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Harper, Scottie Pitt been all guard.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
I think they could guard Steph Clay and Durant, I know,
because they just get physical with him. And then Draymond
ain't hard to guard. And usually they they had a big,
so you could put cuckoach on Draymon and Rob men
they had a big, the Warriors would have not whether
it's Bogan or Festus Azilee or JaVale McGee, one of
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those bigs.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Rob me could guard them. I'm serious. I think the
bulls would beat them out of true.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Chris, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Because, like I said, you can't all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Three years ago, if you had said, man, what would
them dudes in the nineties do with Kevin Durant, you
might have had a point when you're like, man, this dude,
the seven footer.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Shooting jumpers from twenty feet and beyond.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
He don't even shoot a lot of threes, but shooting
the mid range jumper like that, what would they do
with him? Well, we've seen they get physical with him,
and you had guys. Bob McAdoo was similar to that
back in the day. He's All of Famer, but he
didn't dominate get physical with him.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
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Speaker 9 (21:20):
Long time they listen for a long time. First time
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Speaker 5 (21:23):
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Speaker 9 (21:24):
Yeah, yeah, man, this is this is trip dot. I
hear what understand what Shaq is saying because you obviously
look back. If you don't, you know you didn't experience it.
But what about with this area where we get done
with the We're done with the step back travels, the
five on five three point shooting contest, the carrying the
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file baiting by people like James Harden. What if we're
done with all that? And to say somebody says Jordan,
did Jordan have a left to stop it?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I mean that's ridiculously somebody video showing him going left,
not only going left.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
But finishing left all the time. Let me say this too.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Let me say this and again, I only played Division
III college basketball, and I wasn't a star in college,
so I'm not acting like I was all great, but
I could go left. I hate it when people act
like being able to finish with your off hand.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
It's something difficult.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
If you're playing in the NBA level, you can generally
finish with your left hand or your right hand, whichever
one is the off That ain't nothing special, and your
darn sure can go that way off the dribble. I'm
sorry you don't know basketball. If you sitting here acting
like somebody is special. Oh he finished with his left
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Stop it.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I can go to a good high school game and
see that.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
And I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about thirty
years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Come on, man, Oh he finished it. Look out, they
finished with the offhand. Now I'm gonna stop it. There's
one NBA player I knew.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I mean a guard who was a great high school
superstar and he ended up playing in the Pros and
he couldn't finish with his off hand. And I would
tell him, dude, this is before he got to the pros.
You gotta finish, start using your off hand. You gotta
start using off hand. He was so fast and so
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quick that he didn't need it in high school, but
it hurt him in the league. But that's rare. Most
guys can finish with their off hand, and you darn
sure can dribble to your off.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
You know side.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
So let's stop acting like that's something special or difficult.
Jordan couldn't finish with his offhand. Come on, man, unbelieva, Right,
I like this topic. Do we have a lot of
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I'm Martin Wis, and I'll break it down for you
just cause it's the first time you heard this illustrious
Tuesday Evening segment. If Robin Chris liked the story that
I read, you hit a roll sound, they see me, Rooney,
and if they don't go ahead and troll it, oh.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Man, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey hey hey.
Speaker 10 (25:00):
So this football season, Joe Flacco went from riding to
car from driving carpool to driving the Browns into the
playoffs after a first round flame out, though they decided
that it was not enough the Cleveland Browns to re
sign him. Instead, Cleveland intentness. Look, Cleveland decided to sign
Jameis Winston from the New Orleans Saints to back up
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to Shawn Watson next season. Chris trolling or rolling choosing
Jameis Winston over old man Joe Flacco.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Wait, man, you just kind of threw annet.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
What was that? What was that?
Speaker 6 (25:35):
I said? The way he said? Old man Joe flaccoh
he kind.
Speaker 12 (25:38):
Of like you.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh, I mean, I'm gonna roll with it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Joe Flackoh, God bless him. He was great last year.
But I think they did this for a couple of reasons.
We know he turned back into a pumpkin in the playoffs. Okay,
So the likelihood of Flacco, what is he thirty nine,
thirty nine at his age duplicating what he did for
those few games at the end of the season, that
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was unlikely.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
That's number one, number two, and I bet you agree
with this.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Rob Jamis is not viewed as a threat, Like if
DeShawn starts slowly, nobody's gonna be like, oh uh, oh,
let's go with Jamis. If DeShawn started slowly and Flacco
was there and people remembered what he did at the
end of this past season, you would indeed have a
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drum beat for Joe Flacco to start playing.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And so I think that was also part of this.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And again that couple with the unlikelihood of Flacco playing
great again this year, I think it was the right move.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I'm with Chris, I'm rolling with it. They see me
roll yeah, because Joe flat go. That kind of worked
out for them Chris during that time, but then when
it really mattered, he did.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Turn into a pumpkin like Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So going forward, you just need somebody to be there
in case that Sean Watson gets hurt and James Winston
he can fill that role and nobody's thinking he's going
to be a starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I like to move.
Speaker 10 (27:21):
I know this. I would have liked him to be
the starting quarterback in New Orleans that is Derek Carr,
but that well, I.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Think Denver should have went for him because Peyton had
some success win him in New Orleans.
Speaker 10 (27:32):
Counted arm trolling and Rowland Fox Sports Radio. This is
the odd couple. Now, Kobe Bryant's statue in Bailing was
like a month ago, and it's been outside of Crypto
dot com arena for about a month. But it took
all this time for people to realize there are several
typos on the box score of Kobe's eighty one point
games Jose calderon von Wafer and this is the best one.
(27:55):
They spelled decision wrong after spelling it right. It sounds
to me like the Lakers made the wrong decision when
commissioning the statue. But also it's also kind of wild.
It took a month for anyone to notice Chris trolling
and rolling These statue typos are embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Oh I'm rolling with that. That Come on, come on,
how right? How does that happen? How in the world
does that happen? You might as well have misspelled Lakers
on this jersey. I mean seriously, that that can't happen people.
(28:35):
That's just it's unfortunate.
Speaker 10 (28:36):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
This is Kobe Bryant, a legend, and you making careless
mistakes like that.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Terrible, just terrible.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
I'm with Chris.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I know it sounds like the choir, but I'm rolling
with it. It is embarrassing, and that stuffs supposed to
be proof read whoever's quality control, you gotta make sure
can we see what it's says before you start putting
it together?
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Do you know what I mean? And before you you
do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
That's why we come from newspaper backgrounds, Chris.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
No matter how.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Good of writers we are, we had two or three
editors who read our stories, like three people read it
before it got in the paper. Three people for a reason,
because we people. People make mistakes and you need people
to back it up. And I don't know where their
proof readers were, but they swung and missed, and shame
on the Lakers, Shame on them.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
They need to do it over. They need to do
I'm sorry, they need to do it over.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I don't disagree with that. You cannot leave that with
misspellings in it.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
No, No, you got the other one, don't they have
the other statue?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Put that one out and then take this one back
and redo it right.
Speaker 10 (29:46):
So I looked this up earlier today because the Vietnam
Veterans Memorial had a few names filter in it, about
one hundred of the names that are on the wall
in DC. They said it costs four thousand dollars to
fix a name on this at you and that was
on the Vietnam veteran memorials. I imagine you'd be similar
on this. So they got like twelve to get fixed.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
But Martin, the problem with this is and and I
could see with some names with that many names could
be misspelled. I do see that, but decision like like
like stuff like that. I'm sorry, that's not a name, Chris,
where where you could ease? You've been writing all day.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
You know what I mean, mixed up?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
But it's.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
And Rob, you know, I know we both you know
mentor some young guys right and I have got send
me their resume and cover letters and I'm like, don't
send me anything. Your resume better not have any typos
and miss because because that that was the case when
we used to send their resumes, when you were typing
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them and you didn't have to computer that will point
out every misspelling or grammar. If you do that today,
you just being downright lazy.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Chris, I had a student of mind recently and that
got on this case.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
But he had a misspelling him in his story.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I said, this is only totally unacceptable because you have
spell check on your lap.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yes, there's no way you could read this.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Over because there would have been Martin a red squiggly
lined under it.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Am I right? Absolutely no typeos no type.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
When I was in Jay school, I was the last one.
I was in Jay school. Alan A. Rampson would fail
to pay fail the assignment in general if they had
a type.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Because look, and I tell young people this, if I
have five job openings for two hundred applicants, I'm looking
for reasons to chop this list.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Down right and an easy list.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
The reason is, oh wow, he misspelled the month on
his resume. Oh wow, he misspelled you know this or
that on his resume. If he can't even do that
with spell check and all these checks in the computers today,
then how's he gonna do it for us?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Chris? You ready?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
When I got the comments job in Detroit, they told
me that one of the guys who was up for it,
they asked us to write about Alan Trammel and and
one of the applicants. One of the guys wrote, Alan
A L L E N. Alan Trammel is a L
A N. You know what I mean, Like, that's a
huge mistage that means you did not research it to
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make sure Alan didn't spell different ways.
Speaker 10 (32:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
First, you didn't know him, and that's how he was
a good baseball player. Secondly, you didn't you didn't search it.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah, yeah, quick, quick, all right.
Speaker 10 (32:55):
The Big Slim.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Win. I like that, The Big.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Slim, The Big Slim. He's adjusted to the NBA nicely,
but had a welcome to the NBA type moment yesterday
night Wendy reached for a steal and trace Jackson Davis.
They say, you reached, you teach. He taught him something,
driving past him, dunking all over the French connection. Afterwards,
Vic said, getting dunked on is nothing. It is part
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of the game. I dunk on a lot of people,
and a lot of people dunk on me too. But
I block more often than I get dunked on, So
that's a positive. Chris trolling or rolling the Big Slim
saying getting dunked on is nothing.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I'm rolling with it, and I love the attitude.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Too many dudes won't go up for a block because
they're afraid to get poster rided.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Man, everybody's been dunked on.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I Matumbo Alonzo Mourning Shock the best dunkers have been
are blockers have been dunked on?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
A keem So yeah, I'm I'm Rob.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Is it Kevin Johnson that dunked on a team and
like sat on his shoulders as like that?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I mean, come on now, I'm totally with Wimby's.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Ayah, I'm with Wimby too. I'm rolling with they see me.
It ain't the end of the world, my god.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
If you play long enough and you're gonna defend Chris
or try to block or do something, you're gonna get
dunked on.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Absolutely all right, all right, thank you, Martin, good bro.
All right, it's the Eye couple, Chris and Rob.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
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Speaker 3 (35:14):
Your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
All right, Brian in Michigan. You're on the couple of
Fox Sports Radio. What's up beat?
Speaker 12 (35:20):
Hey?
Speaker 10 (35:20):
What's happening? Fellas?
Speaker 6 (35:21):
How is Hey?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
God?
Speaker 13 (35:23):
I just wanted to comment on something you guys said
earlier about being in the unique position that you have
to be there for both the generations. You know, I'm
from a little town just south of Detroit. Rob, I
know you covered Detroit sports for years.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (35:40):
I was there.
Speaker 13 (35:41):
You know when Jordan came to the Palace. I was
there when Carl Malone came in Barkley, We took road
trips to Chicago. Today's basketball compared to then, I don't
even know how some of these media outlets and these
younger guys today can comment on it. I mean, it
was just a total different type of basketball. It's it's
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the physicality back then compared today is it's just not
even it.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
And I'm gonna be honest, I don't want to go
back to eight.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
You no, we don't want to go there.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
But but but I think there's a happy medium.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, like like you can't have what we saw at
the All Star Game where nobody's trying, like like we
can't we can't go there, Chris.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Would you right?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Non't want that? That's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
But and that doesn't hurt your argument that today's ball
is so great. I mean, when we see that mess,
you don't even want to compete, which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Sean in Wisconsin, you're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
What's up, Sean?
Speaker 10 (36:39):
What's going on?
Speaker 11 (36:39):
Fellers? Man? Love the show like always, thank you? Okay, So,
I mean I'm twenty nine years old, man, I mean
I grew up in the Solovie era. You know, I
think ninety basketball with the physicality and the hand check,
and I think it's more interesting for personally than just
chucking up logo three.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, unfortunately, goals, but we got we got just wa
we got, yeah, we got.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Kobe was certainly much more of a nineties player than
absolutely There's no laws, no doubt, Chris.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
We got Dwight in Riverside, California. You're on the odd
Couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
What up, Dwight?
Speaker 12 (37:19):
Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 10 (37:20):
Guys?
Speaker 14 (37:20):
A lovely show. I never want to miss your Guys's show.
I miss all the other show on Fox Sports, but
I never miss your Guys show.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
Well, we appreciate go ahead.
Speaker 12 (37:32):
Yeah, I just wanted to comment.
Speaker 14 (37:34):
You know. I was cleaning up the house on Sunday
and I was on YouTube and they had a March seventh,
nineteen ninety six Bulls versus Detroit Pistons, and it was
the whole game. They even had the commercials in the
nineties and everything.
Speaker 12 (37:49):
And I watched the game and just seeing the solidity
of the triangle off fantas, seeing Grant Hill and Joe
Dumars late in his career, and Rodman and Tony. It's
just a totally different game. No, it is shooting the
rings everything.
Speaker 14 (38:08):
I watched it. I watched try to Shoot It three
and they cut the Phil Jacksons.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Probably Chris probably right rightfully, So Dwight, thanks, we got
to get out of here.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Thanks you all right.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
It's the eye couple Chris and Rob. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Rob, that's an interesting discussion, and we're not I'm not
trying to shoot down to day's players. I think today's
players are great. Uh, it's really the rules is what's
so different. Rob and the analytics, the impact of analytics.
I just think a happy medium is always best. We've
seen it in a lot of these sports. Rob baseball,
we saw it analytics. Some things that might be strategically
(38:48):
good just aren't good for the overall game. The shift
was great. Defensively, again, went too far with it. They
went too far right right. We want to see some hits,
some singles, and in the NBA, ROB, we want to
see some defense. We don't want seventy eighty point games,
but we do want some resistance.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
Please, some resistance.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Yes, all right, we will check you guys out tomorrow.
Of course, don't touch that doll because Jason Smith and
Mike Harmon are next, and I'm telling you that duo
brings absolute Hey,
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