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April 24, 2024 25 mins

Chris and Rob tell us why they have a big issue with the way Kevin Durant responded to Anthony Edwards’ Game 1 trash talk,  discuss the controversial ending to the Philadelphia 76ers-New York Knicks and why they have such a big problem with the NBA’s two-minute reports and discuss the idea that LeBron James would be widely regarded as the greatest player of all-time when millennials are the ones controlling the national narrative.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Rob, did you see now this game just started?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
The Timberwolves and the Suns.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Suns down one to the t Wolves. T Wolves twenty five.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, and Anthony Edwards. He's one of the young rising
stars in the NBA. Rob scored thirty three points. He
was talking trash to Kevin Durant. Now it's in good fun,
or at least you know, he respects Durant's now that
he like. He says Durant's his goat. Now, I don't
know if that means just his favorite player or the best.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Average that's what it means.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Right, Yeah, his favorite player probably, Rob g is that
did you think you meant his favorite player or that
he thinks Duran is actually the best player ever?

Speaker 4 (01:18):
I actually think that he thinks Durant is the greatest
player ever. Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
And the reason being is that nowadays, and this is
more prevalent in the current young crop of NBA players,
they don't seem as.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Driven as like the it's got to be championships.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
It's hey, this guy has the most complete right And
that's why Paul george Is was so highly thought of,
Kyrie Irving is so highly thought of, Kevin Durant as
highly thought of because you know, look, as great as
Lebron is, his bag is nowhere near as deep as
those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
No, No, he'll just dunk you into the back exactly right,
or or make it great.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
And David Robinson, yeah, I mean that's.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
My thing, Robin. We'll get into this later, but quickly,
who had you know more quote unquote skills? I guess
David Robinson a shack. Okay, David Robinson still give me shock.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Thank you all day he was.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
I don't care if he runs the same drop step
dunk every single time.

Speaker 6 (02:19):
You can't stop it, can't stop it. It's like the
Kareem skyhook. Go ahead, give me that shot, you can
I've been waiting. I will watch Kareem's career. I was
waiting for somebody.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
To block it. I didn't see it. Did you see it?

Speaker 7 (02:32):
You?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Rob?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
It is especially later in his career, maybe just over
the second half of his career, it's hard to find
that kareem taking another shot other than a jump.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
No, what what the other shot is gonna make? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I mean you're right, Like, come on, what are we
talking about? But anyway, Rob, I don't know. Did you
see the clip of Anthony Edwards talking trash to KD
and KD laughing? Yes, I don't know where you're at.
You might disagree with me. I don't like that response
from Katie. And I'm not saying it's the biggest thing
in the world, but this is not the family barbecue.

(03:10):
I'm your uncle and you're the up and coming young
teenager talking trash to me on as we're shooting in
the driveway.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
And I'm laughing. This is the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
You're beating us by sixteen and you talking trash to me.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I'm like young and I'm about to school you. I
don't like it.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Here's your issue. Here's my issue with what your take is.
This is who these guys are, Chris. They vacation together,
they hang out together.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, I don't know about them. I mean, I'm just
talking about general in general.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
And that's a big issue of it, is that everything's
a big party and everybody's cool, and everybody's.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
This and that.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
Like I agree with you, like like there's no no,
I'm not entertaining that down sixteen. Get out of my face,
right you got you got chocolate milk on your breath,
Get out.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Of my frost. I'm about Yes, I'm totally with you.
I mean, and Rob Isaiah Thomas and Magic Johnson, we
know we're bosom buddies. When they got into the finals
and Magic had what do you throwing elboy?

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Isaiah? Right right?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Oh okay, and I look it ruined their friendship. But
still I'm just saying, you compete.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
We competing. Don't be talking to you.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Talking to me, boy, I was winning championships when you
were in junior high school.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
You better learn some manners tonight.

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Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't know that Lebron truly complained about the rest,
but he certainly complained about the replace center.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
And Joe LMB robbed the Knicks. I mean, I think
the Philly loss as bad as the Lakers loss was.
And I get it.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
They gave up a twenty point lead Philadelphia, rob I
mean they had that game one, They're up five with
forty seven seconds left, and I get it that.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
You know, that's a lot of time.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
That's a lot of time in the NBA. Chris, that's
but they blew it.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
They the way it happened, You know what I mean,
the inbounds, but yeah, they could cry about and the
league has already come back.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Well, we're gonna set that.

Speaker 6 (06:20):
The official screwed up and they did, Chris with the fouls,
But where's the inbound with the call of time time out?

Speaker 3 (06:27):
And that's the other thing. They didn't let Nick Nurse
get a time out. Chris. Well, here's here's Joe Lnb
talking about it.

Speaker 7 (06:33):
Rob, And everybody on the floor was trying to call
Tom out myself, including Nico coach on the salon, but
that didn't give it to us. But you know, forget
a lot of timeline. There's a bunch of files.

Speaker 9 (06:47):
You know.

Speaker 7 (06:47):
That's yeah, like I said, that unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Rob, As you said, the league came out with the
two minute report.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
And the Maxie was fouled twice, not once, is twice twice.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
And here, look, I don't like the players complaining about
the officiating. I didn't like it last night with him
be and I'm like, why don't you black box out
Isaiah Hartenstein after the Dante Dvench plays that could have.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
Been made to I'm how about them bounding the ball
correctly and not.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Or even calling And they say they tried to call
time out. But here before we I just want to
say this, right, why does the league do the two
minute report?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
I don't know, do you like like I mean, I
don't do it.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
No, I don't have to issue with it as a
fan us enlightenment, But what is it?

Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's not good. It makes your refs look horrible. The
bottom line is, and here's the problem. And I know
they got the.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
Refs, umpires, all these people, Chris, they got unions and
all this.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
It's hard to fire them.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
And that's what needs to happen when guys continue to
make and I'm not saying you know that this should
be a certain threshold of accuracy, and when those things
come in like that and you blow calls, they should
count against you and you should have the right to
let go of officials. And the league should be able
to say, Chris, that Joe Blow and Tom Tom you

(08:27):
know Tom Thumb have been relieved of you know, well,
you know what.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
But they don't do that. And I think that's what
people need. You don't get to.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
You don't get to you know, ref in the playoffs
and stuff like that. You need to lose jobs, Chris.
You need to lose job, and that's fine. I'm just saying, Rob,
I don't know what purpose. I don't know that the
two minute report serves a good purpose. Like I guess,

(08:58):
does that make Philly? Does that make Philly feel any better?
Or does that actually tick you off? Because it's not
like we're gonna play the last minute. You know, you're
gonna put us up by five again and we're gonna
play the last minute, or Max's gonna get.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Free throws or whatever. We lost, you're admitting.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
You're admitting we lost, or you know a large portion
of a large portion of why we lost is because
the refs screwed up, and you're too many reports supposed
to make me.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Feel better and it's actually making me feel worse. Yeah,
I agree.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
I just don't think if you're not going to do anything,
which you're not, and you can't do anything. You can't
overturn the game. You can't do any of that. People
have paid their money, they left the building. You can't
chrisch when they're at.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Home going did you start up game play? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (09:53):
You know what that that they lost that game, all
that stuff you went through you no, they lost, right?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
No, people, if you did that to people, Chris.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
People would be irate, like, you can't take that from them,
you know what I mean once once the people leave
the building.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
No, I get it. I'm just saying like, then what then?
Why do I remember talking?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Now?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
This was years ago when they first implemented. I talked
to an official about it and he was like, Nah,
it's terrible. You're just you're just making us look bad.
And I get somebody say, well, you made mistakes, Yeah, Rob,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Any job, what if? Every what if?

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Before at the start of every show, Rob rob G
came out and said, every mistake we had made, nothing's
gonna change.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
But you know you would it would take three hours
and we wouldn't have a show at that. But you know,
it's just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Look, I think the league means well, remember there were
a lot of conspiracy theories, games fixed and you know,
and they this was part of the answer, you know,
right to be transparent.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
I get that, but Rob, if.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
You're not going to change anything, it just I don't
know what the purpose is.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
I think they meant well, But like I said, if I'm.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
For transparency, Chris, I able to be transparent and that
we can admit that something was wrong. Nobody expects anybody
to be perfect. That is not what That's not the world, Chris.
I've said this to you a million times. And when
I was a kid growing up listening to the late
Great Mets announcer Bob Murphy, every time.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
A player made an air of Chris, he said the
same thing.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
That's why they put a racers on pencils because people
make mistakes. So it ain't about that you have to
be perfect and you could never make a mistake, but
there has to be some accountability to me, to you know,
after a while, this is the career for you, you
know what I mean, Like, this is in a career
for you.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
You just all do that, Like yeah, I mean you're
looking at the different lead to me, I'm not really trying.
I'm not looking at it as an indictment on the refs.
I know you're looking at it just like it doesn't
do anything, does it.

Speaker 7 (12:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
But but you know, overall, though Rob Mbed at one
point did say we're the better team. We should be
up to, Oh, we're gonna win this series.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I think that's the attitude you have to have you can't.
I mean, yeah, the official screwed you. There's no if,
sayings or buts about it. But it's because the league
is not gonna do anything about it. You just have
to you can't. You gotta ignore that. You really have
to ignore it. And I didn't like the complaining. Now

(12:50):
did you see Lebron. Here here's what Lebron said.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
We're I'm doing kershing in a press conference. Chris like that, Well,
he's that's not new.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I mean he's I'm not saying he does it all
the time, but he's done that before. But here he
was cursing at their victory parade in twenty sixteen in
Cleveland when they beat Golden State. But anyway, here's Lebron
talking about the replace center last night.

Speaker 9 (13:15):
I understand what's going on in replace Center. To be honest,
I said it. I think I said it this year
or last year. Whatever. Delo clearly gets hit in the
face on the drive. We have a replace center is
going to go? That doesn't it doesn't make sense to me,
makes no sense to me. It bothers me. Sorry to
ask your question, but that is like and then I

(13:37):
just saw what happened with the Sixers nickname too.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
What are we?

Speaker 9 (13:43):
How are we doing?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I think and Lebron was that had nothing to do
with the question he was asked.

Speaker 9 (13:49):
Rob.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
I think he was sending a message to the officials trying,
you know, remember Phil Jackson and all that, how he
would do that.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
I think that's what he was doing, trying to.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
Soft soak them so that they could think about it
for the next time.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
And I also think, I mean he he knows his
voice among players resonates stronger than anybody's in the league office.
So you know, look, it'll put the league, the replay
center on notice. I mean, look, the replay center, Robs
shouldn't be getting things wrong. They should be getting things right.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
That's why they exist, the replay center, Chris, because they're
human beings.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
We see it on the NFL all the time. They
review plays.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
If you leave it up to people even watching tape,
they're they're going to get it wrong. Sometimes I've watched
football games, I'm like, dude, that's clearly this or clearly that,
and then they go to the replay and nothing happens
because human beings are watching it.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
So even humans make mistakes in a.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
Replay booth, and that's why I understand why people want
to get it right Chris, or try to get it right.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
That's why. The only way I really believe.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
That you should change calls in sports is when it's obvious.
When I watch and the first basement doesn't have his
foot Chris on the bag and they called him out
at first, and I see that. That overturn that, But
I don't want all these other things overturned.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
It should just be clear.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
You shouldn't have to watch it twenty times Chris.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Over and over and over to change a call, right.
It should be obvious. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
I mean, my thing is I disagree to some degree
because there's so much riding on these games. And I
get you're right, human beings aren't gonna be infouled, but
they're gonna make nothings. But I do think, and I don't.
I think there's gotta be a time limit, right. It
can't be time, That's what I'm saying about them. They
watch it for five minutes.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
But whatever the limit is, you can't go over that.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
But you do have to do your best to get
it right because there's money for the players, for gamblers,
for coach jobs are on the line like that. So
much matters in these games, and I do think they
need to try to get it right.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
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Speaker 3 (16:19):
Rob G, can you get on the mic?

Speaker 7 (16:21):
Now?

Speaker 1 (16:21):
The players did the anonymous poll. We talked a little
bit about it yesterday. Give us a quick rundown of
the goat thing they did with the goats.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Rob Sure, well, the then we had out of yesterday
with that, Paul Pierce got to vote. Shout out to
you truth, one vote out of one hundred and thirty
three for the greatest player of all time?

Speaker 1 (16:40):
You know, you know, Pierce sticking his chest out like yeah, boy,
I told y'all I used to get feel different.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
No, but the big headline of this player vote again,
one hundred and thirty three votes of current NBA players
is that, over the last five years, without really accomplishing
a whole heck of anything, at least do a team
success wise, Lebron.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
James be a little more transparent, dude.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Lebron James is rapidly closing the gap between himself and
Michael Jordan in the Eyes of NBA Players, twenty nineteen,
Jordan had seventy three percent of the votes, Lebron was
second at just under twelve. Twenty twenty three, mj was
at fifty eight Lebron was at thirty three percent, and
then this past year Michael Jordan forty five point nine percent,

(17:29):
Lebron at forty two point one percent. And in the
Athletic they featured anonymous coach from players explaining their rationale,
and the general theme exactly for current players was that, yeah,
Mike had this dominant run, he had these championships, but
Lebron James did it for two decades and he was,
if not the best, one of the best players the

(17:51):
entire run.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Look, Rob, I've said for years that when young and
you probably heard me say it, win the millennials or
Generation X whatever, I don't know what Z whatever's after
the millennials.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
When they're controlling the conversation.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
I think it's like Lebron's going to be called the goat,
just like right now, you and I our generation controls
the narrative in the conversation.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Steven A.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Skip baylest you know, guys are roughly our age, and
we say it's Jordan. We're the ones with the TV
and the radio shows and all that. We say it's Jordan.
The generation before us, Rob and I'm talking about the
players Oscar robertson.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Kareem.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
They're not saying it's Jordan. They're not saying it's not him.
They're not saying it's really anybody. They might say Will,
but they're not saying Jordan. It's our generation. And so
I do think the last dance Rob win a long
way and kind of solidifying Jordan for a while. But
I also think now Lebron's assault on the record book

(19:09):
with the you know, the forty thousand points and he's
in the top five and assist and all these individual
records he's you know, getting I think that is affecting,
you know, the way some people look at this, And
I'm firmly Jordan.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
You're firmly Jordan. But like I said, Rob, it doesn't
surprise me.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
And I do think when the younger generation is controlling
the discussion as we do now, I won't be surprised.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
I almost expect it to be that they're saying it's Lebron.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
Yeah, I disagree and I don't think that even in time.
I get what you're saying with the numbers and what's
happening late, but people will look back and really take a.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Look as you go forward.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
And it's just like I always say, Chris, and there's
no go conversation in baseball. It's a different conversation because
of the nature of the game. Right, But no one
discounts Babe Ruth who hasn't played in one hundred years,
Like there's no discounting him and saying.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Well, he played, bab bab. You know, I'm not counting
Babe Ruts. He doesn't count.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
I don't believe people just automatically are going to do
that because Michael will have such a legacy if Lebron
doesn't win again and plays four or five more years,
and then people look and go, dude, the guy played
twenty three years, he only won four times.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
He didn't want a champion, you know, like you'll.

Speaker 6 (20:36):
Start to win you really add up all the things.
Sure he should have all the record, played twenty three years.
Why why wouldn't he He didn't go to college. Kareem
went to college, Like they'll they'll be a narrative. Oh
he lost in the finals six seven times. He lost
six times in the finals. Michael Jordan never lost. Okay,
when you start to do all that due diligence and

(20:59):
really take a look at it, the same way people
think George Washington is still one of the greatest president,
if not the greatest.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Nobody talks about George w. Bush.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
And I'm not picking any political political side, Chris. I'm
just saying or some president of recent day that because
of what had to happen and what had to happen
in the country to form the country, and all kinds
of other stuff.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
In the beginning, all I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
Is, I don't believe that just what happens last is
always going to be the best. Because you talk to
people all the time, even younger people. It's just not
that easy.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
I don't believe that.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Look, that's a good argument, and you may be right.
I think the thing that will help Jordan Jordan is
he's obviously a living legend. But Rob, he's darn near mythical.
I think he actually is mythical, you know what I mean,
Like in terms of people's views of him, the shoes, Rob,

(22:02):
there are people that.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Weren't even born when he played, and they love the Jordan's.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
People that don't even like basketball, that my daughters wear Jordan's,
they don't watch basketball, they wear Jordan's.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
You know they want me. They asked me to get
them Jordan's for Christmas. You couldn't even believe it, could
you when they asked, right like, I mean, you.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Know, I mean I would you know, I wouldn't surprise.
You should have told me I could have saved you
some money on a couple of But you know that
good that's a that's a good point.

Speaker 8 (22:37):
Rob.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
He is similar to Babe Ruth and that's just he's
mythical and that won't go away.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
And the same people who love, who love Lebron, they're
wearing Jordans, Chris, and they'll be wearing you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Like that's the other part that's strange to me.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
You'll be in a barber shop and God will swear
up and down about Lebron, but they got Jordan's on.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
But I think that I think a lot.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Of it is that Jordan's. I mean, you know, doctor Jay's.
We used to call the converse docs, right, but they
were really just the converse that everybody was wearing. He
was just the most famous player where so Jordan was
kind of not not technically the first, you know, with
his signature shoe, and then his were so unique, Rob,

(23:26):
he was you know, his shoes looked different than anybody
else's shoes like at that time, and so that helped him. Now,
you know, everybody, I mean, tons of players got signature
shoes and they don't sell like the Jordans.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
They don't become nearly as popular. Lebron's. Aren't that necessarily
that popular. I mean, they're fine.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
I think there's I think their second I don't know, Rob,
gu I don't know, do you know, Like I think
Lebron's has the most popular ones of the players today,
but no nobody comes close to Jordan's.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, it'll be interesting, but I just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
We'll see what these you know, these these next group
of writers and reporters, Rob are saying, But I wouldn't
be surprised if when they controlled the narrative they got Lebron.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Do you think that Lebron will be regarded as the
goat by the next generation. He's not right now, it
seems firmly Jordan. But when the younger kids are talking
about it, will it be Lebron and Rob? We gotta
be honest when Ben Yama might make all this move,
I mean, if it's gonna come down to how much

(24:43):
he wins and how how much of a dog he is.
But that dude is something like unlike we've ever seen or.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
How much he loses. You know, he didn't lose eighteen
in a row, So we just come.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
I mean, you ain't watching the games, You're just looking
at the you know numbers.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, I'm looking at the eight s trade loss.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
No, I get it, but he I'm serious, Michael never
lost eighteen in a row, not even in pee wee basketball.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Lebron, we ain't never seen the seventh for five, Dude
do what he did.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Everyone knows. You even know, see you even know
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