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All right. We've been talking about.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
The Denver Nuggets and the Western Conference, but Rob over
in the East, which is kind of the JV Boston
actually having a little trouble, I would say trouble, but
they're only up five at home in the close out
game Game five against Cleveland, and you heard it, You've
heard it on the updates, Rob Cleveland, just about everybody's out, Donovan, Mitchell,
(01:31):
Karros Lavert, Jared Allen, and it's ninety eighty five Boston.
But the Knicks are playing the Pacers in the other series,
and the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Up three to two, and Rob Jalen Brunson has just
been phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Neither you are nor I think he's a superstar. He
may become one. We're not ready to give it to
him yet, but he is certainly having a historic series
in this series. After scoring forty four last night with
seven dimes, Rob, he's averaging thirty two points, five point
eight assists on forty eight percent shooting in this series.
(02:13):
In the playoffs in general, his numbers are about thirty
five points a game. So he's having a terrific postseason here.
And here's what I want to know. We all know
that a couple of years ago he was in Dallas,
right and he was the Mavericks. Rob would not give
(02:39):
him a five year, fifty five million dollar contract. He
ended up getting one hundred million with the Knicks over
four years, I believe it was. But still you know,
not paid like a superstar in Dallas. To think what
they could have had is just crazy. Now, look, they've
(03:01):
got Kyrie Irving and you know they're they got a chance,
a good chance most people think they get at least
to the conference finds.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
A blunder though on their part.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, because they're paying Kyrie twice as much.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Right, it's not even the it's obviously the top talent
blossom even more.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But the amount of money fifty five.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Is like not you could have You could have nined
him and moved him if you want to, you know
what I mean, or.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Better yet signed him and added you know, more pieces
around or.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I'm just saying if you wanted to move him, like
you still could have done that. Like he was a
valuable piece at fifty five million.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
For the Knicks. Rob he got four years, one hundred
and four million. So here's his numbers robed with the
uh Dallas Mavericks. All of these years were with Luca.
So his first year he started sparingly. His last year
in Dallas he was like a full time starter. It's
(04:02):
kind of part time starter his first year off the bench.
The next two years for the most part, but anyway,
nine points a game as a rookie. Eight points a
game is second year, twelve and a half points a
game is third year. And in his final year in Dallas,
rob sixteen point three points a game. In the playoffs,
he averaged twenty one and a half points. And that's
(04:24):
when remember Luke, I think, was out a few of
those games, and Brunton kind of emrged like, Oh, this
guy's got a package on him and he's doing some damage.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And so here's what I want to ask you, rob.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Is Jalen Brunson's play this season and even last season
he averaged twenty four points a game. This season, Robby
was fifth in the MVP voting, probably gonna be second
team All NBA. I had him on my second team
All NBA. So are his achievements in New York an
(05:00):
indictment of Luka doncs because Luca was there with him
and you saw none of this from Brunson.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, it's an indictment that maybe you know, he's Steimy's
other players because of his dominance with the ball.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Chris and what he does and and and and you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Kyrie's had some great games there, Chris. But but the
other two nine point duds in this series, is that
in an indictment or.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I don't think that's an indictment on Luke at all, you.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Know, I'm just saying, Kyrie, yeah, like maybe just not
being aggressive. But my point is that sometimes uh, someone
playing with somebody. It could be the same way that
maybe the Knicks found out that they don't need Julius Randall,
like you know, like Julius Randall, maybe Steimied brunts in
(05:53):
a little bit as well. I'm just saying, when you
start to look at people and why they're doing what
they can do and what they're able to accomplished without
having somebody with the ball, I think that there's a.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Case that can be made.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
No, I think you make sense.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Look, it's no secret Luka Doncics is ball dominant, right,
and I think that's a weakness. I think that's a
that In my Jordan versus Lebron debate, one of my
criticisms I guess of Lebron is that he's too you know,
in his prime he's not so much as much now,
(06:28):
but in his prime he was two ball dominant.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And when one guy's dominating the.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Action the ball and making the decisions for everybody, and
you know he's gonna shoot or put the ball in
the hands of the guy that's gonna shoot. I think
that can limit some of the players, and I think
it's hard to win that way, and I think that's why,
I mean, Lebron's had a hard time winning championships rop
I mean, four is great, but it's in twenty one years,
and a lot of them have been or two of
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them at least, were really hard to come by, right
the Warriors where you come back three to one, and
the Spurs, you know when Ray Allen hit the big
shot in Game six, and so I think with Luca
it's similar. A lot of people compare Luca Rob to
James Harden. Obviously he hasn't won a championship now came close.
(07:17):
We gotta be fair to Harden. The year, you know,
he and Chris Paul were up three to two and
Chris Paul gets hurt. Harden couldn't close out against Golden State,
but they did come close.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
But obviously never got over the hump.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
And I do think Look, I think Kyrie rob is
able to play with Luca and excel with Luca, and
he was able to excel with Lebron because Kyrie is
unique in.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
That for a guy that has his bag and his bag.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Is one of the greatest in the history of the
game and can create his own stuff. He also, Robed
is a great catch and shoot, and that's the difference.
He is a great jump shooter. Brunson needs the ball.
You watch the Knicks.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Rob.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Brunton's got the ball in his hands all the time,
and so with Luca, he had to kind of be
off the ball and that's just not He's not going
to shine that way. And I think this postseason Rob
for Luca, this is kind of a litmus test. I've said,
I don't think you win championships that way. I think
(08:29):
they need to figure out how to play more five
man basketball.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
They've been better.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
In the part because Kyrie can can be that second
guy off the ball and still get his twenty five
plus points. But if they don't, and I don't think
they can beat Denver Rob, I think they could. I
would pick Minnesota if they meet Dallas in the Congerence Finals,
but I think Dallas would have a great chance to win.
But I don't think they have a good chance to
(08:57):
beat Denver if they don't get to the finals this year.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
Rob.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
They might look at it as, hey, we got close,
you know, we just need to tweak here or there.
But I would think that. I just think when you
move the ball, when you get everybody involved, Rob, that's
just a better brand of basketball. And you know, you
look at the great teams, Rob, the Showtime Lakers, it
(09:23):
was five man basketball, even though you had the great
Magic Johnson at point guard.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
The Bird Celtics, same thing, Jordan.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Rob for all, he shot a lot, but that ball
was moving, and Jordan wasn't ball dominant.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
You know, he didn't dribble out the clock a lot.
He did earlier.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
He had the ball in his hands more before Jackson
got there, Phil Jackson. And then they started winning when
they started, you know, popping that ball around Steph obviously,
Golden State, the Spurs who gave the Heat so much trouble.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
They lot of ball movement Denver.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Rob.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Even though Jokic is obviously, you know, the one that
makes everything happen and his players are running through him,
he doesn't hold.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
The ball a lot.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
He's giving it up quickly, you know, a little handoffs
and screens or passes, And I just think that if
Luca wants to win to the level that his talent
says he should Rob if they don't, you know, get
to the finals this year, I think that's something some
(10:31):
type of offense Dallas should really look at institution. So, yes,
I do think Brunson's are somewhat of an indictment on Luca.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, what if they don't? What if they lose this series?
Because would that change your mind at all or not if.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Dallas uses this Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean it
would be what I'm saying, like, I just think that
they need to figure out a way to kind of
not be so Luca centric. I mean, he's gonna be
your best player. He's gonna be a leading scorer. And
the Nuggets are you know, Jokic centric. But still the ball.
Everybody's touching the rock, the ball he and he.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You know what, Chris, he gives up the ball of
somebody absolute.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
He does know like hebody.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
He's on dominant at all, even though he's touching it
on every possession. Rob he's not ball dom He's getting
rid of it quickly. And this is the thing when
you see Michael Porter Junior going off or KCP or
Jamal you don't. You don't think, wow, this is odd
or wow they taking a lot of shots that that's
(11:31):
how they play and that's fine. And it was the
same thing with the Birds and Magic teams, and that's
why I compare Jokic to them. And yet if it's
if it was one of Lebron's great teams, Rob or Dallas,
if somebody other than Luca or Kyrie's going off or
with Lebron, if somebody else was going off other than
(11:54):
him or maybe Wade, it was a bit surprising. It
was a bit like, wow, look at that, you know,
because you're not you were used to seeing one of
those two kind of do everything. And so I don't
think it's an indictment on Luca's ability and talent and
greatness what Brunson is doing, but I do think it's
(12:15):
it could be an indictment on their his style of play,
and I think it would be something.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
That Dallas should try to fix because he's.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
In year six, Rob and you can get it can
become there'll be a point maybe some people might think
we're already.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
There where that's the only way he can really play.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And Chris just some numbers real quick brunting a. Juice's
rate thirty.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Six point five in these playoffs.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
For some context, Jordan in his career Juice's rate was
thirty five point five in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And Luca's career playoffs use is Ray Chris thirty seven
point five. Who's Luca Arty seven point five?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And you so short?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
There's no way that Luca and Brunton can coexist play together,
you know what I'm saying. Thirty six and a half
and thirty seven and a half.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
That's one of the indictments of this generation, or really
the previous generation of players. You have so many ball
dominant guys and it's hard to put ball dominant guys together.
Wade and Lebron both ball dominant. It worked because they
were just both so great, and Wade did step back
the second, third, and fourth seasons, you know, to try
(13:24):
to win and they did win two And usage rate
rob also takes into consideration shots, and that's why Jordan's
usage rate is high, because, like I said, he did
shoot a lot. Nobody would say he didn't, but he
didn't dribble. He didn't dribble. Dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble
the air out of the ball, and that's the difference.
(13:45):
That's a lot different. Shooting a lot is a lot
different than dribbling the shot clock down and then making
a play. So that's why I don't think Jordan's usage
rate is this similar, you know, and knew it is numerically,
but in essence, I don't think it's similar to like
Jokic or Brunson now or any of that. So all right,
(14:08):
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postseason really the last two years an indictment of Luka
Doncic And does Luca you know, we'll see how these
playoffs go, but will he have to consider, you know,
playing a slightly different style. Your thoughts next, Chris and
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indictment of Luka doncic your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
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Fox Sports Radio. What's Up mjavy workship winning.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
How you guys doing, man doing great?
Speaker 9 (15:56):
How alright?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Man?
Speaker 8 (15:57):
That's what's up?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Man?
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Y'all two have been like Kendrick and Drake the last
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Speaker 2 (16:02):
Man, it's the eye couple, baby, that's right. And I'm
Kevick Lamar and Chris is Drake. I'm just saying, all.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Right, I mean, there's reasons you said.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
That, but that's right.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
It's not good Chris, but at.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Least I know like the difference between the two guys.
You know what I'm saying. That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Kendrick run, but Drake is still a great rap all right.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Go ahead, all right, mj.
Speaker 8 (16:32):
I think Bronson didn't really kind of show, you know
what he's showing out with the Knicks until Luca got
hurt in the playoffs, So I don't really think it's
an indictment on him. I'm not trying to k for him.
But then at the same time, I heard y'all talking
about Luca, but I didn't hear you guys mention the coach.
(16:52):
The coach has had this game plan to kind of
figure it out. The ball is moving more now with
the two new pickups and the ball is kind of,
you know, moving around what they should. Definitely a little
bit game.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
No, that's fair. I mean that's fair because the coach.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah, I mean, you gotta put Luca in different positions
or explain to him like Phil Jackson did to Jordans, Hey,
we're better off with the ball movie.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Right, dude, listen to me. I'm trying to tell you
right where we could do more if you're doing this
instead of that.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
Right, But there was a compromise with the triangle. Jordan
played the triangle for three quarters. In the fourth quarter,
he was able to be Jordan. Let's not forget that.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Yeah, but he also and it was look, I don't remember, right,
really anybody back in that day being just so ball dominant, right,
just over dribbling, dribbling the air out of the ball.
It wasn't a lot of people doing that. And even Jordan,
he wasn't. He didn't do that. He took, like I said,
he took a lot of shots, right, but he didn't
just overdribble while everybody's standing there watching him.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
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of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 10 (17:57):
What's up, Sean, Yeah, another mother. My brother's behind a boy,
Alex Man has been too long.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Brother, Well, my guy, dude, when do you come in
the studio so we can show Oh.
Speaker 10 (18:07):
Man, you already know Sampi. Whenever I get back down there,
we are kicking.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
He was in southern California at the beach with the
family and him and the nine kids, and then to Alex.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
That, man, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 10 (18:23):
We miss you on the beach, Alex, I was hoping
to squat you out there in your skinny bikini. But anyway,
what a day on the Couple. Rob gets three callers
who agree with him, and Antonio Daniels agrees with him,
and somehow, when you get.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
To the point, you get to the point.
Speaker 10 (18:40):
God, I just wanted to point that the first time
in Odd Couple history that ever happened. Christ But on
this point right here, man, I feel like it's not
really an indictment on Luca. Just like MJ said, I
think it's an indictment on the coaching staff for you
to not be able to utilize Dalen Brunston somehow and
integrate him with Luca. The guy was willing to take
a team friendly deal to come sounds just an indictment
(19:01):
on how they were running that entire team. I feel
like they give Luke away too much independence and what
he's doing there, it doesn't really allow anybody else to
utilize their field because everybody's shooting out a rhythm right right.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You know, you you you might get that pass as
the shot clock's winding down and then you, you know,
you got to put something up quickly.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
And again, to me, it's not an indictment in Luca's
ability and greatness, but they just got to figure out
a better way to play.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Thank you, I appreciate it, and win it this year.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
We'll see Yep, Andre in Massachusetts, you're on the odd
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Speaker 1 (19:35):
What's up, Andre?
Speaker 9 (19:38):
It was going on. Thanks for taking the call. Listen.
The separation not divorced, but separation between Luca and Jalen
had nothing to do with the interchange of their personalities.
To me, if I fly out comes down to the Dallas.
The Dallas management, in my view, just didn't believe in
Jalen Brunton wrongly and they wanted to go star chasing,
bringing in Kyrie Irving to essentially do this a same thing.
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Dallas's offense is predicated on isolation and driving and kicking.
That's the formula that they've went to. It was true
when Jalen was there, when Luca was out. When they
knocked Utah out in the playoff, and Utah should have
won that series, it was all Jalen Brunts at the
top of the key doing similar way he does New York,
just cracking the paint, starting the blender and kicking it
out to threes. And so I just think they wanted
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they wanted a star, and they really gambled with Kyrie
Irving because he's another outstanding isolation player, but he's also
Kyrie Irving and he's this mercurial superstar. And for some
odd reason, it's actually worked in Dallas and Jason Kidd
has gotten through to Kyrie. They've gotten the best version
of him, and that's why they're successful. So that's why
I think, you know, Jalen Brunston, it just worked out
(20:43):
for both people. Jalen Brunston is better in New York
than he would have ever been in Dallas. It's just
a great fit. He's from New York. Tom Taberdau knows
how to get through the point guards. He has the
opportunity to show case he's doing that, and it's been
gang busters ever since. That's my team. But from Dallas
the standpoint, and I think Luca, you know who's going
to ball tonight by the way, in my opinion, because
Luca's about that life. He don't scare like some other
stars e. James Harden. So Luca's gonna give you great
(21:05):
performance and go down fighting with the ships. But I
don't think he forced it.
Speaker 10 (21:09):
Wasn't the situation, Chris.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
You know this like AI back in the day with
Larry Hughes and AI with Jerry Stackhouse where Alan Iverson
wrongly said I can't play with these guys and it
has to be all about me, and they got rid
of them and just built everything around Iverson. I don't
think that's what Luca did or he's not like that
is my point. He's more team oriented and frankly, Ai,
I do think.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
It's Luca's person like I don't think Luca is a
selfish player, but I do think his game is very
bald domint. It's tough to find the right pieces to
fit around the guy.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
We all know what Lebron is.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
You gotta be careful, like, how do we build a
team around lebron Right and Iverson. It was it's hard
to build a team around him and with Luca, you
gotta fit fit, get the right pieces. And right now
they got some good pieces. So we'll see, all right,
we got a Mark Madina Funky Cole joined us in
a moment beforest.
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Speaker 3 (22:24):
Brother?
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Let's Rob love the intro music?
Speaker 10 (22:27):
How about this?
Speaker 6 (22:28):
I don't know how the Lakers coaches search is going
to play out, but whoever they hire, they won't have
the kind of intro music you guys give, not at all?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Reddick and let's start there.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
I mean, you know your name is out there, JJ Reddick,
James Berego, Sam Cassell.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
What what is the latest that you're hearing on this?
Speaker 11 (22:52):
Well?
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Fsuays is Rob Parker's concerns about JJ Redick. I have
been told that there's not a favorite candidate. They're keeping
an in mind, and that they're aware that unless Tylou
becomes available, which he won't, there's not a perfect candidate.
So whether they go to the inexperience route or they
go to the proven assistant coaching route, it's their hope
(23:13):
that they can almost package all these candidates together so
that the head coach has a really robust coaching staff
filled with diverse voices. Uh, you know, one better experience
and good with EXAs and those others that are good
with player development. They're very well aware that they're in
an imperfect situation. They're trying to, you know, keep the
team in content with Lebron James while also building him
(23:36):
a long term So I don't know if that helps
drop concerns, but that's the way.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
This let me a rob Let me ask this quickly,
Sam Cassell, you know he's been a long time assistant.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
We all remember him as a player.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
What's kind of you know, the feeling about him around
the league as far as becoming a hit coach.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
He hasn't gotten that shot yet.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Are you hearing any things about him, whether it's the
Lakers or just somewhere else, Like, could you do people
view him one day as a guy that would be.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
A good head coach.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Definitely fee him as a good head coach. You know,
former NBA player, he has a lot of respect around
the league. Knows how to relate all the guys, you know,
that's how to make big baskets, and I think can
relate well to star players and wall players. So yeah,
the fact that he has gotten interviews, I think you
could almost look at a positive. Yes, he hasn't got
a head coaching experience yet, but I.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
Think that teams, you know, value that.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
That they've already gone through the process and have started
to pay their jews with at least being part of
the coaching staff as the sister.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Let's turn to the Denver Nuggets. Cole, how surprised to
you that they are where they are, especially since a
lot of people and I don't know where were you.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Were you on that boat that thought that they were done?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
People will call them the series over after they were
down all two will were you on that?
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Hey? Rob? I was on your side and saying that
the series wasn't over. That's they're the defending champs for
a reason. Now, I will admit this, Rob. When the
Wolves went up to Oh, I thought you know what,
they're gonna wind up winning this series. It's not gonna
be a sueet. It's still gonna be a competitive but
there's so much in control. But obviously the Nuggets have
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shown that they're resilient and deep, their championship tested and
it's a good n fat thing. But they play at
their best when they feel challenge, and so I think
that that had more to do with anything else as
far as why they were trailing in the series. Yes,
you know, so it is really talented, they're the real deal,
but it really felt like the Nuggets were just getting
in their own way.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
What what do you think about this other series?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Dallas and Oka?
Speaker 5 (25:48):
See okay, see, it would be unprecedented for them to,
you know, get the conference finals being as young as
they are. Let me ask you, let me put it
this way, what do you think going forward they will
try to do Let's say they lose this Yuies or
they lose in the next round. Do they kind of
just keep the group they have and essentially say when
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we get a little, as we get older, we're going
to become a championship team. Or do you think they
look to add a significant piece.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
I think it's more the main chain of continuity, they
don't have to make tough decisions. I think two years
until two years from now, once guys start getting eligible
for an extension, and then that's when you know the
thunder will have to make sure they don't repeat the
same change hard in the state from back in the day.
But I think for now, you know, right now, it's
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about they're not satisfied with where they're at, but it's
about building and ensuring that contability. That being said, knowing
how sam Press he is, I don't think he shouldn't
necessarily stand pat. I would still think he makes moves,
but I think it'll be more about collecting assets improving
on the margin than making anything drastic. Even if they
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do use in the second round.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Where are you on the Knicks Pacers, will we get
a game seven in that series?
Speaker 9 (27:10):
On?
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Now? Well, I think he could flip mccoin because the
Knicks shouldn't even be in this position. I mean they
have like cast their team herd right with Julius Randall
and bog and Bockdanovic and some other key guys you know,
Mitchell Robinson, Ogiana Noobi, So they shouldn't even be in
this position. But I think it's a testament to a
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Jenn Brunt and that's worsen the occasion. I know that
he had that bad Game four, but he's had forty
point knights of us everywhere else. He's playing through some pain,
But I think their role players have really shown that
they're even better than roleplayers, So I don't I think
the Pacers should have been not sleeping the least giving
this team of gentlemen sleep. But I think it's more
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of an indictment that the Pacers haven't been able to
take advantage of this opportunity than is anything else. But
you do have to cress the next They are the
real deal even when they're not fully healthy. They have
that competitive spirit that Tom Thibodeau and I think Jolen
Bronson have really done a good job with setting the tone.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I think that's a great point because with all their injuries,
Indiana should win this series. I picked the Knicks, But
I mean with all these injuries, you know Indiana, they're young.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
They'll look at it as hey, it's a building block,
it's a stepping stone.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
But they really should be able to beat New York
with all the injuries. But let me ask you this
about the Knicks, same thing I asked you about, okay, see,
and I think Knicks are in a clearly different position
because Chat is going to be a star and maybe
a superstar Jalen Williams could become a star.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
So their future, they got their core set. The Knicks.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
What do you think they if they lose Let's say
they lose the Boston in the next round, what do
you think the moves are for them or that they'll
look to do to get to that championship level. I
think they should try to trade Julie's Randall, maybe package
a few picks with him, because I don't think they
need him in New York or that he's the greatest
fit with Brunson, but I do think he's a good
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player that could get you something in return.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think if they should see
what they can get with Randall and subtext, now, what
does that gild? I'm not exactly sure, but I think
the Knicks they have the right core in place. They
play well as a team. And I'm a big Julius
Randall fan. I think I'm coming that far through the
lens that he's been struggling with injuries, lately, and if
you are going to make a move, he's probably the
(29:35):
most likely casualty shoot at. But I think, you know,
I remember hearing the podcast recently this week where Raymond
Green was saying that the Knicks, or most like the
Fasts from a few years ago, completely disagree. I don't
think they're a one shot wonder. Trey Young and Jaylen
Brunt are incomparable. Jaylen Brunson not only as a gamer,
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but he makes his teammates better around him, and they
have a good core and a culture, and so yeah,
they do need to make the news, But I don't
think anything dramatic. I think what they've shown here that
they're always going to overachieve and maximize the best of
what they have.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Boston closed out Cleveland to night. Donovan Mitchell didn't played
last two games, is injured. Do you think he will,
you know, remain in Cleveland. Obviously they're gonna they want
him to sign a contract extension, and you know, there's
a lot of stronger feelings around the league that he
wants to be elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
How do you think that kind of plays out there?
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean, logic would tell me there's no reason
for him to leave in Cleveland because their shortcomings head
mostly to stud with just overlapping injuries. I think they're young.
Lukeoy with Darius Garland and Evin Molboy have a good ceiling.
But look the Knicks, the Lakers, they're going to have
some mass that. I'm sure that they're going to try
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to float some trade proposals to make it entice it.
But I think the fact hit this whole idea that oh,
Donovan Mitchell hasn't gotten passed the second round his career.
I think that has more to do with circumstances than
anything with him, and so as a result, he shouldn't
look elsewhere. But you know what, I know in the NBA,
every player can change his mind after a few seasons.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
And last thing, the Timberwolves, if they lose this series,
will it just be because they thought they had it
won or will it just be that they woke up
a champion like when you look at him, because while
they looked unstoppable the first two games, they have not
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looked like the same team.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Yeah, it's a really good question. My sense is that
they were just running back. They are certainly not satisfied
and thinking, oh yeah, we're the young up and coming team,
and we just want to make noise. They've wanted since
you know, this season started to be hunting for a championship.
But I think they'll chalk up their shortcomings more to
do with the fact that they ran up against the
bus saw that as the Denver Nuggets, and yeah, they
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can certainly improve their playoff performances had more to do
with tactics and all that than anything lost for constructor
related So I think, you know, like Oklahoma City, their
play is going to be let's ride the continuity at
That's why Denver partly has gone here in the first place,
because they've allowed their own core to blossom. So I
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think Minnesota will apply the same idea.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
In a minute, before you go, what do you hear
hearing anything new about Briannie nowadays in Chicago?
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Well, what I did here was the video that he
posted on his Twitter account saying that he's, you know,
more motivated about trying to make the MDA than trying.
Speaker 10 (32:42):
To play with his dad.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
My sense is that if the Lakers see that he's
available with their fifty five picks, they'll pick them. But
it has more to do with the fact that there's
no risk with the second round pick. I don't think that.
Other than that, there's going to be the real point
our ship. The Lakers are going to try to make
justin p is Lebron. They've got no indication Lebron's leaving.
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They think he's coming back, regardless of whether they select FRAUDU.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
All right, that's our man, Funky Cole, Mark Madina, great
stuff as always.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Brother, Thank you, Bud, I appreciate you guys, though, its.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Yep later Rob today. Remember Brownie had four points yesterday.
I think it was two for eight shooting yep. Today
thirteen points in twenty three minutes, four for ten from
the field, so better showing. And Lebron apparently was there
watching him. So look to play play better today. So
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All right, The NFL schedules came out tonight eight pm
Eastern time. You know, we Rob and I acknowledge that
it's an important night and it's good to see. But
obviously some people just go in our view overboard with it.
Behave it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
But Rob g.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Let's talk a little bit about this streaming situation. We
broached the idea last hour, but go ahead and kind
of summarize what's going on with some of these games,
and then Robin I'll talk sure.
Speaker 11 (34:49):
Well, first off, already looked at the Raiders schedule sixteen
to one, so that's nice.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, but back in the future, I think that makes it.
Speaker 11 (34:58):
Adding back to a sixteen and one team gonna be nice.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Let's just saying it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
All the friends look at the schedule, Oh yeah, we're
gonna win this game. We're not gonna win this came Oh,
oh well, they don't know who's gonna be her easy
eleven and eleven and six easy.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (35:12):
So but anyways, uh, as you guys know, there's gonna
be a lot of streaming games this year in the NFL.
You know, on Black Friday, on Amazon, Christmas Day's got
the Netflix double Header, which means that conservatively, even removing
the NFL Sunday Ticket, which gets every single game of
the season, if you would like to watch just your
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local broadcast and some of the big Fox CBS national game,
you know, the national game of the week, you want
to watch Monday Night football, and if you want to
watch the Thursday night of the Netflix double Header, it's
gonna cost you at least five hundred dollars to.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Watch the NFL season. To watch all the games you
want to watch, it's gonna be.
Speaker 11 (35:52):
Five unless you want to watch every single game, then
it's gonna run you about eight fifty. Now, I know
that's peanuts to you guys, but the rest of America
as to who that's a lot of money, g that's
a lot of money.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Not me.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Rob spans more on that on his upholstery in his car.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
One note, yesterday I had on a pair of Jordans,
and I said, Rob.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
G Yeah, he told me what they cost.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Yeah, you're right, it costs basically an NFL season.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yes, I would have to guess. That's how much money
I'd have to spend. I'd have to sell those Jordans
in order to do it. You gotta be careful. You
don't want to price I get it, Chris. You can
take the money, but you lose people along the way,
and that's what you have to be careful. You mentioned
it earlier about boxing.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Well, we were kids.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
We used to watch fights on the ABC Wild World
of Sports and on free TV. If you keep doing this,
there'll be a group of kids that can't afford they
don't have the streaming, they don't have cable, Chris, who
will grow up not watching the NFL and guess what
they'll do their kids. They won't share that with them.
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That's what you can do. It takes a long time,
but it can damnage your sport.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah, I agree that they need to be careful.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Look, I do think the gambling and the fantasy football ride.
We know that's really what catapulted the NFL to the number.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
One spot, and so that will help them.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
As long as people are doing that, they're gonna want
to watch all the games.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
But you said it. I mean, it just it's just
off putting. You know. We are used to watching football for.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Free, you know, and some people, especially right when you
can watch most of the games, some people will not
go out of their way to watch those few games
that they have to pay for.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Chris and a couple of fronts who they said the
same exact thing. I'll watch the games if they're on five.
So well, you know what I mean said, I'm not
paying for Amazon, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, I'm just gonna miss those games.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
And look, we understand every business in America is trying
to make more and more and more money. But the
NFL just should be careful and they've shown rob that
they just that's all they're caring about. We talked about
it with the seventeen games. Now there's talk that they
are going to continue pushing ultimately for the eighteen games.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
And then you.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
See now the streaming's coming in and kind of a
little bit of a pay per view situation right on
a small scale, and they're putting the money in front
ahead of the player's health and the fans enjoyment, you know,
And I just think I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
They gotta be careful. They're king and they seem like
they can do no wrong. But I think they need
to be careful.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
As you said, Yep, that's all think about fans. Everybody
doesn't have the money, Chris.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
To right, And that's the thing, Aaron Rob. We're blessed.
We get to go to a lot of games for free.
We've seen them all as you know, in our career,
and we do make a good chunk of money. But
everybody's not in that boat, and so that's what they
have to worry about.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
All right.
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All right. We've been talking about.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
The Denver Nuggets and the Western Conference, but Rob over
in the East, which is kind of the JV Boston
actually having a little trouble, I would say trouble, but
they're only up five at home in the close out
game Game five against Cleveland, and you heard it, You've
heard it on the updates, Rob Cleveland, just about everybody's out, Donovan, Mitchell,
(01:31):
Karros Lavert, Jared Allen, and it's ninety eighty five Boston.
But the Knicks are playing the Pacers in the other series,
and the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Up three to two, and Rob Jalen Brunson has just
been phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Neither you are nor I think he's a superstar. He
may become one. We're not ready to give it to
him yet, but he is certainly having a historic series
in this series. After scoring forty four last night with
seven dimes, Rob, he's averaging thirty two points, five point
eight assists on forty eight percent shooting in this series.
(02:13):
In the playoffs in general, his numbers are about thirty
five points a game. So he's having a terrific postseason here.
And here's what I want to know. We all know
that a couple of years ago he was in Dallas,
right and he was the Mavericks. Rob would not give
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him a five year, fifty five million dollar contract. He
ended up getting one hundred million with the Knicks over
four years, I believe it was. But still you know,
not paid like a superstar in Dallas. To think what
they could have had is just crazy. Now, look, they've
(03:01):
got Kyrie Irving and you know they're they got a chance,
a good chance most people think they get at least
to the conference finds.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
A blunder though on their part.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, because they're paying Kyrie twice as much.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Right, it's not even the it's obviously the top talent
blossom even more.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But the amount of money fifty five.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Is like not you could have You could have nined
him and moved him if you want to, you know
what I mean, or.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Better yet signed him and added you know, more pieces
around or.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I'm just saying if you wanted to move him, like
you still could have done that. Like he was a
valuable piece at fifty five million.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
For the Knicks. Rob he got four years, one hundred
and four million. So here's his numbers robed with the
uh Dallas Mavericks. All of these years were with Luca.
So his first year he started sparingly. His last year
in Dallas he was like a full time starter. It's
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kind of part time starter his first year off the bench.
The next two years for the most part, but anyway,
nine points a game as a rookie. Eight points a
game is second year, twelve and a half points a
game is third year. And in his final year in Dallas,
rob sixteen point three points a game. In the playoffs,
he averaged twenty one and a half points. And that's
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when remember Luke, I think, was out a few of
those games, and Brunton kind of emrged like, Oh, this
guy's got a package on him and he's doing some damage.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And so here's what I want to ask you, rob.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Is Jalen Brunson's play this season and even last season
he averaged twenty four points a game. This season, Robby
was fifth in the MVP voting, probably gonna be second
team All NBA. I had him on my second team
All NBA. So are his achievements in New York an
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indictment of Luka doncs because Luca was there with him
and you saw none of this from Brunson.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, it's an indictment that maybe you know, he's Steimy's
other players because of his dominance with the ball.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Chris and what he does and and and and you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Kyrie's had some great games there, Chris. But but the
other two nine point duds in this series, is that
in an indictment or.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I don't think that's an indictment on Luke at all, you.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Know, I'm just saying, Kyrie, yeah, like maybe just not
being aggressive. But my point is that sometimes uh, someone
playing with somebody. It could be the same way that
maybe the Knicks found out that they don't need Julius Randall,
like you know, like Julius Randall, maybe Steimied brunts in
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a little bit as well. I'm just saying, when you
start to look at people and why they're doing what
they can do and what they're able to accomplished without
having somebody with the ball, I think that there's a.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Case that can be made.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
No, I think you make sense.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Look, it's no secret Luka Doncics is ball dominant, right,
and I think that's a weakness. I think that's a
that In my Jordan versus Lebron debate, one of my
criticisms I guess of Lebron is that he's too you know,
in his prime he's not so much as much now,
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but in his prime he was two ball dominant.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And when one guy's dominating the.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Action the ball and making the decisions for everybody, and
you know he's gonna shoot or put the ball in
the hands of the guy that's gonna shoot. I think
that can limit some of the players, and I think
it's hard to win that way, and I think that's why,
I mean, Lebron's had a hard time winning championships rop
I mean, four is great, but it's in twenty one years,
and a lot of them have been or two of
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them at least, were really hard to come by, right
the Warriors where you come back three to one, and
the Spurs, you know when Ray Allen hit the big
shot in Game six, and so I think with Luca
it's similar. A lot of people compare Luca Rob to
James Harden. Obviously he hasn't won a championship now came close.
(07:17):
We gotta be fair to Harden. The year, you know,
he and Chris Paul were up three to two and
Chris Paul gets hurt. Harden couldn't close out against Golden State,
but they did come close.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
But obviously never got over the hump.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
And I do think Look, I think Kyrie rob is
able to play with Luca and excel with Luca, and
he was able to excel with Lebron because Kyrie is
unique in.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
That for a guy that has his bag and his bag.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Is one of the greatest in the history of the
game and can create his own stuff. He also, Robed
is a great catch and shoot, and that's the difference.
He is a great jump shooter. Brunson needs the ball.
You watch the Knicks.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Rob.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Brunton's got the ball in his hands all the time,
and so with Luca, he had to kind of be
off the ball and that's just not He's not going
to shine that way. And I think this postseason Rob
for Luca, this is kind of a litmus test. I've said,
I don't think you win championships that way. I think
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they need to figure out how to play more five
man basketball.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
They've been better.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
In the part because Kyrie can can be that second
guy off the ball and still get his twenty five
plus points. But if they don't, and I don't think
they can beat Denver Rob, I think they could. I
would pick Minnesota if they meet Dallas in the Congerence Finals,
but I think Dallas would have a great chance to win.
But I don't think they have a good chance to
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beat Denver if they don't get to the finals this year.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
Rob.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
They might look at it as, hey, we got close,
you know, we just need to tweak here or there.
But I would think that. I just think when you
move the ball, when you get everybody involved, Rob, that's
just a better brand of basketball. And you know, you
look at the great teams, Rob, the Showtime Lakers, it
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was five man basketball, even though you had the great
Magic Johnson at point guard.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
The Bird Celtics, same thing, Jordan.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Rob for all, he shot a lot, but that ball
was moving, and Jordan wasn't ball dominant.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
You know, he didn't dribble out the clock a lot.
He did earlier.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
He had the ball in his hands more before Jackson
got there, Phil Jackson. And then they started winning when
they started, you know, popping that ball around Steph obviously,
Golden State, the Spurs who gave the Heat so much trouble.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
They lot of ball movement Denver.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Rob.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Even though Jokic is obviously, you know, the one that
makes everything happen and his players are running through him,
he doesn't hold.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
The ball a lot.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
He's giving it up quickly, you know, a little handoffs
and screens or passes, And I just think that if
Luca wants to win to the level that his talent
says he should Rob if they don't, you know, get
to the finals this year, I think that's something some
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type of offense Dallas should really look at institution. So, yes,
I do think Brunson's are somewhat of an indictment on Luca.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, what if they don't? What if they lose this series?
Because would that change your mind at all or not if.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Dallas uses this Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean it
would be what I'm saying, like, I just think that
they need to figure out a way to kind of
not be so Luca centric. I mean, he's gonna be
your best player. He's gonna be a leading scorer. And
the Nuggets are you know, Jokic centric. But still the ball.
Everybody's touching the rock, the ball he and he.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You know what, Chris, he gives up the ball of
somebody absolute.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
He does know like hebody.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
He's on dominant at all, even though he's touching it
on every possession. Rob he's not ball dom He's getting
rid of it quickly. And this is the thing when
you see Michael Porter Junior going off or KCP or
Jamal you don't. You don't think, wow, this is odd
or wow they taking a lot of shots that that's
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how they play and that's fine. And it was the
same thing with the Birds and Magic teams, and that's
why I compare Jokic to them. And yet if it's
if it was one of Lebron's great teams, Rob or Dallas,
if somebody other than Luca or Kyrie's going off or
with Lebron, if somebody else was going off other than
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him or maybe Wade, it was a bit surprising. It
was a bit like, wow, look at that, you know,
because you're not you were used to seeing one of
those two kind of do everything. And so I don't
think it's an indictment on Luca's ability and talent and
greatness what Brunson is doing, but I do think it's
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it could be an indictment on their his style of play,
and I think it would be something.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
That Dallas should try to fix because he's.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
In year six, Rob and you can get it can
become there'll be a point maybe some people might think
we're already.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
There where that's the only way he can really play.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And Chris just some numbers real quick brunting a. Juice's
rate thirty.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Six point five in these playoffs.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
For some context, Jordan in his career Juice's rate was
thirty five point five in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And Luca's career playoffs use is Ray Chris thirty seven
point five. Who's Luca Arty seven point five?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And you so short?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
There's no way that Luca and Brunton can coexist play together,
you know what I'm saying. Thirty six and a half
and thirty seven and a half.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
That's one of the indictments of this generation, or really
the previous generation of players. You have so many ball
dominant guys and it's hard to put ball dominant guys together.
Wade and Lebron both ball dominant. It worked because they
were just both so great, and Wade did step back
the second, third, and fourth seasons, you know, to try
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to win and they did win two And usage rate
rob also takes into consideration shots, and that's why Jordan's
usage rate is high, because, like I said, he did
shoot a lot. Nobody would say he didn't, but he
didn't dribble. He didn't dribble. Dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble
the air out of the ball, and that's the difference.
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That's a lot different. Shooting a lot is a lot
different than dribbling the shot clock down and then making
a play. So that's why I don't think Jordan's usage
rate is this similar, you know, and knew it is numerically,
but in essence, I don't think it's similar to like
Jokic or Brunson now or any of that. So all right,
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way in. Is is Jalen Brunson's excellent play in this
postseason really the last two years an indictment of Luka
Doncic And does Luca you know, we'll see how these
playoffs go, but will he have to consider, you know,
playing a slightly different style. Your thoughts next, Chris and
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Jalen Brunson's emergence as a star, some say superstar and
indictment of Luka doncic your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
All right? MJ and New Orleans join the couple of
Fox Sports Radio. What's Up mjavy workship winning.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
How you guys doing, man doing great?
Speaker 9 (15:56):
How alright?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Man?
Speaker 8 (15:57):
That's what's up?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Man?
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Y'all two have been like Kendrick and Drake the last
couple of days.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Man, it's the eye couple, baby, that's right. And I'm
Kevick Lamar and Chris is Drake. I'm just saying, all.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Right, I mean, there's reasons you said.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
That, but that's right.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
It's not good Chris, but at.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Least I know like the difference between the two guys.
You know what I'm saying. That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Kendrick run, but Drake is still a great rap all right.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Go ahead, all right, mj.
Speaker 8 (16:32):
I think Bronson didn't really kind of show, you know
what he's showing out with the Knicks until Luca got
hurt in the playoffs, So I don't really think it's
an indictment on him. I'm not trying to k for him.
But then at the same time, I heard y'all talking
about Luca, but I didn't hear you guys mention the coach.
(16:52):
The coach has had this game plan to kind of
figure it out. The ball is moving more now with
the two new pickups and the ball is kind of,
you know, moving around what they should. Definitely a little
bit game.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
No, that's fair. I mean that's fair because the coach.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah, I mean, you gotta put Luca in different positions
or explain to him like Phil Jackson did to Jordans, Hey,
we're better off with the ball movie.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Right, dude, listen to me. I'm trying to tell you
right where we could do more if you're doing this
instead of that.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
Right, But there was a compromise with the triangle. Jordan
played the triangle for three quarters. In the fourth quarter,
he was able to be Jordan. Let's not forget that.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Yeah, but he also and it was look, I don't remember, right,
really anybody back in that day being just so ball dominant, right,
just over dribbling, dribbling the air out of the ball.
It wasn't a lot of people doing that. And even Jordan,
he wasn't. He didn't do that. He took, like I said,
he took a lot of shots, right, but he didn't
just overdribble while everybody's standing there watching him.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
All right, Sean Sean and Sacramento, you're on the couple
of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 10 (17:57):
What's up, Sean, Yeah, another mother. My brother's behind a boy,
Alex Man has been too long.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Brother, Well, my guy, dude, when do you come in
the studio so we can show Oh.
Speaker 10 (18:07):
Man, you already know Sampi. Whenever I get back down there,
we are kicking.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
He was in southern California at the beach with the
family and him and the nine kids, and then to Alex.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
That, man, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 10 (18:23):
We miss you on the beach, Alex, I was hoping
to squat you out there in your skinny bikini. But anyway,
what a day on the Couple. Rob gets three callers
who agree with him, and Antonio Daniels agrees with him,
and somehow, when you get.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
To the point, you get to the point.
Speaker 10 (18:40):
God, I just wanted to point that the first time
in Odd Couple history that ever happened. Christ But on
this point right here, man, I feel like it's not
really an indictment on Luca. Just like MJ said, I
think it's an indictment on the coaching staff for you
to not be able to utilize Dalen Brunston somehow and
integrate him with Luca. The guy was willing to take
a team friendly deal to come sounds just an indictment
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on how they were running that entire team. I feel
like they give Luke away too much independence and what
he's doing there, it doesn't really allow anybody else to
utilize their field because everybody's shooting out a rhythm right right.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You know, you you you might get that pass as
the shot clock's winding down and then you, you know,
you got to put something up quickly.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
And again, to me, it's not an indictment in Luca's
ability and greatness, but they just got to figure out
a better way to play.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Thank you, I appreciate it, and win it this year.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
We'll see Yep, Andre in Massachusetts, you're on the odd
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Speaker 1 (19:35):
What's up, Andre?
Speaker 9 (19:38):
It was going on. Thanks for taking the call. Listen.
The separation not divorced, but separation between Luca and Jalen
had nothing to do with the interchange of their personalities.
To me, if I fly out comes down to the Dallas.
The Dallas management, in my view, just didn't believe in
Jalen Brunton wrongly and they wanted to go star chasing,
bringing in Kyrie Irving to essentially do this a same thing.
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Dallas's offense is predicated on isolation and driving and kicking.
That's the formula that they've went to. It was true
when Jalen was there, when Luca was out. When they
knocked Utah out in the playoff, and Utah should have
won that series, it was all Jalen Brunts at the
top of the key doing similar way he does New York,
just cracking the paint, starting the blender and kicking it
out to threes. And so I just think they wanted
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they wanted a star, and they really gambled with Kyrie
Irving because he's another outstanding isolation player, but he's also
Kyrie Irving and he's this mercurial superstar. And for some
odd reason, it's actually worked in Dallas and Jason Kidd
has gotten through to Kyrie. They've gotten the best version
of him, and that's why they're successful. So that's why
I think, you know, Jalen Brunston, it just worked out
(20:43):
for both people. Jalen Brunston is better in New York
than he would have ever been in Dallas. It's just
a great fit. He's from New York. Tom Taberdau knows
how to get through the point guards. He has the
opportunity to show case he's doing that, and it's been
gang busters ever since. That's my team. But from Dallas
the standpoint, and I think Luca, you know who's going
to ball tonight by the way, in my opinion, because
Luca's about that life. He don't scare like some other
stars e. James Harden. So Luca's gonna give you great
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performance and go down fighting with the ships. But I
don't think he forced it.
Speaker 10 (21:09):
Wasn't the situation, Chris.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
You know this like AI back in the day with
Larry Hughes and AI with Jerry Stackhouse where Alan Iverson
wrongly said I can't play with these guys and it
has to be all about me, and they got rid
of them and just built everything around Iverson. I don't
think that's what Luca did or he's not like that
is my point. He's more team oriented and frankly, Ai,
I do think.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
It's Luca's person like I don't think Luca is a
selfish player, but I do think his game is very
bald domint. It's tough to find the right pieces to
fit around the guy.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
We all know what Lebron is.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
You gotta be careful, like, how do we build a
team around lebron Right and Iverson. It was it's hard
to build a team around him and with Luca, you
gotta fit fit, get the right pieces. And right now
they got some good pieces. So we'll see, all right,
we got a Mark Madina Funky Cole joined us in
a moment beforest.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
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Mark Funky Cole Madina Mark, What is that?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Brother?
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Let's Rob love the intro music?
Speaker 10 (22:27):
How about this?
Speaker 6 (22:28):
I don't know how the Lakers coaches search is going
to play out, but whoever they hire, they won't have
the kind of intro music you guys give, not at all?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Reddick and let's start there.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
I mean, you know your name is out there, JJ Reddick,
James Berego, Sam Cassell.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
What what is the latest that you're hearing on this?
Speaker 11 (22:52):
Well?
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Fsuays is Rob Parker's concerns about JJ Redick. I have
been told that there's not a favorite candidate. They're keeping
an in mind, and that they're aware that unless Tylou
becomes available, which he won't, there's not a perfect candidate.
So whether they go to the inexperience route or they
go to the proven assistant coaching route, it's their hope
(23:13):
that they can almost package all these candidates together so
that the head coach has a really robust coaching staff
filled with diverse voices. Uh, you know, one better experience
and good with EXAs and those others that are good
with player development. They're very well aware that they're in
an imperfect situation. They're trying to, you know, keep the
team in content with Lebron James while also building him
(23:36):
a long term So I don't know if that helps
drop concerns, but that's the way.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
This let me a rob Let me ask this quickly,
Sam Cassell, you know he's been a long time assistant.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
We all remember him as a player.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
What's kind of you know, the feeling about him around
the league as far as becoming a hit coach.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
He hasn't gotten that shot yet.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Are you hearing any things about him, whether it's the
Lakers or just somewhere else, Like, could you do people
view him one day as a guy that would be.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
A good head coach.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Definitely fee him as a good head coach. You know,
former NBA player, he has a lot of respect around
the league. Knows how to relate all the guys, you know,
that's how to make big baskets, and I think can
relate well to star players and wall players. So yeah,
the fact that he has gotten interviews, I think you
could almost look at a positive. Yes, he hasn't got
a head coaching experience yet, but I.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
Think that teams, you know, value that.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
That they've already gone through the process and have started
to pay their jews with at least being part of
the coaching staff as the sister.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Let's turn to the Denver Nuggets. Cole, how surprised to
you that they are where they are, especially since a
lot of people and I don't know where were you.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Were you on that boat that thought that they were done?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
People will call them the series over after they were
down all two will were you on that?
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Hey? Rob? I was on your side and saying that
the series wasn't over. That's they're the defending champs for
a reason. Now, I will admit this, Rob. When the
Wolves went up to Oh, I thought you know what,
they're gonna wind up winning this series. It's not gonna
be a sueet. It's still gonna be a competitive but
there's so much in control. But obviously the Nuggets have
(25:21):
shown that they're resilient and deep, their championship tested and
it's a good n fat thing. But they play at
their best when they feel challenge, and so I think
that that had more to do with anything else as
far as why they were trailing in the series. Yes,
you know, so it is really talented, they're the real deal,
but it really felt like the Nuggets were just getting
in their own way.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
What what do you think about this other series?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Dallas and Oka?
Speaker 5 (25:48):
See okay, see, it would be unprecedented for them to,
you know, get the conference finals being as young as
they are. Let me ask you, let me put it
this way, what do you think going forward they will
try to do Let's say they lose this Yuies or
they lose in the next round. Do they kind of
just keep the group they have and essentially say when
(26:12):
we get a little, as we get older, we're going
to become a championship team. Or do you think they
look to add a significant piece.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
I think it's more the main chain of continuity, they
don't have to make tough decisions. I think two years
until two years from now, once guys start getting eligible
for an extension, and then that's when you know the
thunder will have to make sure they don't repeat the
same change hard in the state from back in the day.
But I think for now, you know, right now, it's
(26:41):
about they're not satisfied with where they're at, but it's
about building and ensuring that contability. That being said, knowing
how sam Press he is, I don't think he shouldn't
necessarily stand pat. I would still think he makes moves,
but I think it'll be more about collecting assets improving
on the margin than making anything drastic. Even if they
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do use in the second round.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Where are you on the Knicks Pacers, will we get
a game seven in that series?
Speaker 9 (27:10):
On?
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Now? Well, I think he could flip mccoin because the
Knicks shouldn't even be in this position. I mean they
have like cast their team herd right with Julius Randall
and bog and Bockdanovic and some other key guys you know,
Mitchell Robinson, Ogiana Noobi, So they shouldn't even be in
this position. But I think it's a testament to a
(27:32):
Jenn Brunt and that's worsen the occasion. I know that
he had that bad Game four, but he's had forty
point knights of us everywhere else. He's playing through some pain,
But I think their role players have really shown that
they're even better than roleplayers, So I don't I think
the Pacers should have been not sleeping the least giving
this team of gentlemen sleep. But I think it's more
(27:54):
of an indictment that the Pacers haven't been able to
take advantage of this opportunity than is anything else. But
you do have to cress the next They are the
real deal even when they're not fully healthy. They have
that competitive spirit that Tom Thibodeau and I think Jolen
Bronson have really done a good job with setting the tone.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I think that's a great point because with all their injuries,
Indiana should win this series. I picked the Knicks, But
I mean with all these injuries, you know Indiana, they're young.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
They'll look at it as hey, it's a building block,
it's a stepping stone.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
But they really should be able to beat New York
with all the injuries. But let me ask you this
about the Knicks, same thing I asked you about, okay, see,
and I think Knicks are in a clearly different position
because Chat is going to be a star and maybe
a superstar Jalen Williams could become a star.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
So their future, they got their core set. The Knicks.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
What do you think they if they lose Let's say
they lose the Boston in the next round, what do
you think the moves are for them or that they'll
look to do to get to that championship level. I
think they should try to trade Julie's Randall, maybe package
a few picks with him, because I don't think they
need him in New York or that he's the greatest
fit with Brunson, but I do think he's a good
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player that could get you something in return.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think if they should see
what they can get with Randall and subtext, now, what
does that gild? I'm not exactly sure, but I think
the Knicks they have the right core in place. They
play well as a team. And I'm a big Julius
Randall fan. I think I'm coming that far through the
lens that he's been struggling with injuries, lately, and if
you are going to make a move, he's probably the
(29:35):
most likely casualty shoot at. But I think, you know,
I remember hearing the podcast recently this week where Raymond
Green was saying that the Knicks, or most like the
Fasts from a few years ago, completely disagree. I don't
think they're a one shot wonder. Trey Young and Jaylen
Brunt are incomparable. Jaylen Brunson not only as a gamer,
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but he makes his teammates better around him, and they
have a good core and a culture, and so yeah,
they do need to make the news, But I don't
think anything dramatic. I think what they've shown here that
they're always going to overachieve and maximize the best of
what they have.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Boston closed out Cleveland to night. Donovan Mitchell didn't played
last two games, is injured. Do you think he will,
you know, remain in Cleveland. Obviously they're gonna they want
him to sign a contract extension, and you know, there's
a lot of stronger feelings around the league that he
wants to be elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
How do you think that kind of plays out there?
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean, logic would tell me there's no reason
for him to leave in Cleveland because their shortcomings head
mostly to stud with just overlapping injuries. I think they're young.
Lukeoy with Darius Garland and Evin Molboy have a good ceiling.
But look the Knicks, the Lakers, they're going to have
some mass that. I'm sure that they're going to try
(30:54):
to float some trade proposals to make it entice it.
But I think the fact hit this whole idea that oh,
Donovan Mitchell hasn't gotten passed the second round his career.
I think that has more to do with circumstances than
anything with him, and so as a result, he shouldn't
look elsewhere. But you know what, I know in the NBA,
every player can change his mind after a few seasons.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
And last thing, the Timberwolves, if they lose this series,
will it just be because they thought they had it
won or will it just be that they woke up
a champion like when you look at him, because while
they looked unstoppable the first two games, they have not
(31:39):
looked like the same team.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Yeah, it's a really good question. My sense is that
they were just running back. They are certainly not satisfied
and thinking, oh yeah, we're the young up and coming team,
and we just want to make noise. They've wanted since
you know, this season started to be hunting for a championship.
But I think they'll chalk up their shortcomings more to
do with the fact that they ran up against the
bus saw that as the Denver Nuggets, and yeah, they
(32:02):
can certainly improve their playoff performances had more to do
with tactics and all that than anything lost for constructor
related So I think, you know, like Oklahoma City, their
play is going to be let's ride the continuity at
That's why Denver partly has gone here in the first place,
because they've allowed their own core to blossom. So I
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think Minnesota will apply the same idea.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
In a minute, before you go, what do you hear
hearing anything new about Briannie nowadays in Chicago?
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Well, what I did here was the video that he
posted on his Twitter account saying that he's, you know,
more motivated about trying to make the MDA than trying.
Speaker 10 (32:42):
To play with his dad.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
My sense is that if the Lakers see that he's
available with their fifty five picks, they'll pick them. But
it has more to do with the fact that there's
no risk with the second round pick. I don't think that.
Other than that, there's going to be the real point
our ship. The Lakers are going to try to make
justin p is Lebron. They've got no indication Lebron's leaving.
(33:05):
They think he's coming back, regardless of whether they select FRAUDU.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
All right, that's our man, Funky Cole, Mark Madina, great
stuff as always.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Brother, Thank you, Bud, I appreciate you guys, though, its.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Yep later Rob today. Remember Brownie had four points yesterday.
I think it was two for eight shooting yep. Today
thirteen points in twenty three minutes, four for ten from
the field, so better showing. And Lebron apparently was there
watching him. So look to play play better today. So
(33:38):
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Speaker 5 (34:18):
All right, The NFL schedules came out tonight eight pm
Eastern time. You know, we Rob and I acknowledge that
it's an important night and it's good to see. But
obviously some people just go in our view overboard with it.
Behave it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
But Rob g.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Let's talk a little bit about this streaming situation. We
broached the idea last hour, but go ahead and kind
of summarize what's going on with some of these games,
and then Robin I'll talk sure.
Speaker 11 (34:49):
Well, first off, already looked at the Raiders schedule sixteen
to one, so that's nice.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, but back in the future, I think that makes it.
Speaker 11 (34:58):
Adding back to a sixteen and one team gonna be nice.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Let's just saying it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
All the friends look at the schedule, Oh yeah, we're
gonna win this game. We're not gonna win this came Oh,
oh well, they don't know who's gonna be her easy
eleven and eleven and six easy.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (35:12):
So but anyways, uh, as you guys know, there's gonna
be a lot of streaming games this year in the NFL.
You know, on Black Friday, on Amazon, Christmas Day's got
the Netflix double Header, which means that conservatively, even removing
the NFL Sunday Ticket, which gets every single game of
the season, if you would like to watch just your
(35:32):
local broadcast and some of the big Fox CBS national game,
you know, the national game of the week, you want
to watch Monday Night football, and if you want to
watch the Thursday night of the Netflix double Header, it's
gonna cost you at least five hundred dollars to.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Watch the NFL season. To watch all the games you
want to watch, it's gonna be.
Speaker 11 (35:52):
Five unless you want to watch every single game, then
it's gonna run you about eight fifty. Now, I know
that's peanuts to you guys, but the rest of America
as to who that's a lot of money, g that's
a lot of money.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Not me.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Rob spans more on that on his upholstery in his car.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
One note, yesterday I had on a pair of Jordans,
and I said, Rob.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
G Yeah, he told me what they cost.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Yeah, you're right, it costs basically an NFL season.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yes, I would have to guess. That's how much money
I'd have to spend. I'd have to sell those Jordans
in order to do it. You gotta be careful. You
don't want to price I get it, Chris. You can
take the money, but you lose people along the way,
and that's what you have to be careful. You mentioned
it earlier about boxing.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Well, we were kids.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
We used to watch fights on the ABC Wild World
of Sports and on free TV. If you keep doing this,
there'll be a group of kids that can't afford they
don't have the streaming, they don't have cable, Chris, who
will grow up not watching the NFL and guess what
they'll do their kids. They won't share that with them.
(37:03):
That's what you can do. It takes a long time,
but it can damnage your sport.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah, I agree that they need to be careful.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Look, I do think the gambling and the fantasy football ride.
We know that's really what catapulted the NFL to the number.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
One spot, and so that will help them.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
As long as people are doing that, they're gonna want
to watch all the games.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
But you said it. I mean, it just it's just
off putting. You know. We are used to watching football for.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Free, you know, and some people, especially right when you
can watch most of the games, some people will not
go out of their way to watch those few games
that they have to pay for.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Chris and a couple of fronts who they said the
same exact thing. I'll watch the games if they're on five.
So well, you know what I mean said, I'm not
paying for Amazon, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, I'm just gonna miss those games.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
And look, we understand every business in America is trying
to make more and more and more money. But the
NFL just should be careful and they've shown rob that
they just that's all they're caring about. We talked about
it with the seventeen games. Now there's talk that they
are going to continue pushing ultimately for the eighteen games.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
And then you.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
See now the streaming's coming in and kind of a
little bit of a pay per view situation right on
a small scale, and they're putting the money in front
ahead of the player's health and the fans enjoyment, you know,
And I just think I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
They gotta be careful. They're king and they seem like
they can do no wrong. But I think they need
to be careful.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
As you said, Yep, that's all think about fans. Everybody
doesn't have the money, Chris.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
To right, And that's the thing, Aaron Rob. We're blessed.
We get to go to a lot of games for free.
We've seen them all as you know, in our career,
and we do make a good chunk of money. But
everybody's not in that boat, and so that's what they
have to worry about.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
All right.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
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