May 28, 2024 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob tell us why Major League Baseball deserves a ton of credit for integrating Negro League stats into their own historical record books and explain why the Indiana Pacers should be a perennial contender in the Eastern Conference. Plus, FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss brings us another award-winning edition of Trollin’ or Rollin’.
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Speaker 1 (01:00):
We got a very interesting story here, and you started
off the show talking about it, how Major League Baseball
was now going to integrate negro league statistics into their
official stats, and how that changes some of the all
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time leaders.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I'll let you kind of mention those names.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
But I love this, Rob, I love this this to
me is a real This is like not just paying
lip service to Black history or the misdeeds of the past,
to put it lightly against African Americans.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
This is acknowledging.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
That the Negro leagues was legitimate and that like now,
and I you know, I read the article in USA
today about this rob and Josh gibbson one of his descendants.
I think it might have been I don't know if
he's a grandson or great grandson or what, but he
said that now when people think of Josh Gibson, they
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won't think of him as just a great Negro league player,
but they'll think of him as a great player period.
And I don't like the fact it is what it is.
Don't like the fact that he has to kind of,
you know, the major leagues has to acknowledge him for
him to get his full credit. We should value what
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he did in the Negro leagues just for.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
What it is.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But that's the society we're in right now, and that's
the state of things, and so I do this is
going to raise the stature of Josh Gibson and Satchel
Page and those other great Negro league players who never
got a chance. And even though Satchel did play in
the major leagues, but a lot who you know their
right right during their primes, they didn't play in the
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majors or didn't play period in the majors. And Ron
we all know Jackie Robinson, who lit the major leagues
on fire right from the beginning, was not the best
Negro league player.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
No, he was the one that they picked.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
He was hand picked Chris because he growing up in
California and it was just a difference. He thought that
he would be able to deal with what he had
to endure. We talked about all the time. Jackie Robinson
died early because of the stress that he carried, Chris
for everybody and what he had to endure, even teammates
in the beginning, you know what I mean, a lot
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of people didn't want him out there, and imagine playing there.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's it's it's a miracle.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
And I say this seriously that something tragic didn't happen
like it's a miracle.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
He could have said, nobody could have came his way
and you might have even gotten away with it.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
He's the way things went.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's what I'm saying, like like for real, and even
imagine being in the major leagues. You can't even eating
the restaurants. The Dodgers, to their credit, Chris wouldn't stay
at the hotels that wouldn't allow Jackie.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
They would move. They wouldn't let their team stay there.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
If he had to eat in the kitchen, A lot
of teammates would eat in the kitchen with them, you
know what I mean, not in the main dining room.
It was a different world, and I think a lot
of people I get it. It was, but it wasn't
a million years ago. That's what I always say that
people who were running nineteen forty seven, Chris, they're still
alive years ago, right right, they could still be alive
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and still be a part of the society.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
But this was a normal place.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
But yeah, I mean, Chris, just to say, I was
on some of the zoom calls on this a part
of this review committee and how to figure out what
stats should count, which ones shouldn't count. And I mean
it was a zoom calls about twenty twenty five people
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including like CC Sabbathia was on it and Smith the
Hall of Fame, UH baseball writer, you know, the only
female black baseball writer who was in the Hall of
fame with Claire, you know, New York much respect for
Claire and her coverage of baseball and what even she
went through in her career when Dick Williams was the
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manager of the project, because I don't know if you
know the story. Again, this wasn't a hundred years ago,
and they kicked her out of the clubhouse and and
Dick Williams didn't want her in there, and.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Steve Garvey and some of the other players.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Chris got dressed, came outside to give Claire her interviews
when he heard when they heard what was going on,
Guys like that who just didn't you know, didn't buy
into these old school managers and what was going on.
But the bottom line is in this it was trying
to figure out what stats they They've come through all
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black newspapers and coverages of these games to figure out,
you know, did a guy have three home runs? And
where they get the numbers from, and they try to
authenticate the numbers and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
And now you look at a situation, Chris, where.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Josh Gibson, it used to be the leading hitter in
baseball for a long time, was Ty Cobb.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Now it's Josh Gibson three or three seventy three batting average.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Slugging percentage, Chris another one on base percentage. I mean
he's a big time you know, big, big time longstanding
major league baseball records and where people fit in and
that they're going to embrace it and not like you said, Chris,
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just lip service or let us just give it. Let's
just give a check to the twenty three hundred remaining.
I think that's what the number is, whatever legal league players,
or that's how many were they.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I think there's only three left. How many? It's not many.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Three players who played and the Negro leagues are alive today.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I can't remember I saw that. Let me see it,
Let me ask you this, Let me go, Chris, let
me just give this to you. So there were twenty
more than twenty three hundred Negro league ball players between
nineteen twenty and nineteen forty eight, including the eras three
living Negro league players, es, Chris, there's only three. And
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guess what one of the all time greats is Willy Mays,
who is going.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
To be down when we go to Birmingham on June twentieth.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
He played in the Negro League down in Birmingham, Alabama,
Chris at Rickwood, which is the oldest stadium in this
country's history baseball stadium.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
And Willie Mays, he's ninety three.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I hope he can make it down there, you know,
for this game against the Cardinals and the Giants. But
there are only three remaining Negro League players, and Willie
Mays is one of them.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Let me ask you this, as I look at these numbers,
did the Negro leagues?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Did they just played?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
They played a lot fewer games because I mean, obviously
the majors were playing one hundred and fifty four, one
hundred and fifty four back right, one hundred and fifty
four games.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I look at Josh Gibson's stats.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And I mean most he ever played in the year,
at least according to these numbers on Baseball Reference, was
sixty nine games was.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
The most he played in the year.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
That makes sense, Yeah, there were fifty games, So they
didn't They did not play.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Nearly as many games as the as the Major League.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
No, I don't think because it wasn't. I think that
they probably played Chris obviously a shorter schedule. It wasn't
as established as Major League baseball with one hundred and
fifty four games in the stadiums, and that's why they
did bond storming and they did All Star games against
the major leaguers because they had, you know, to be
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able to do.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Things like that. This is interesting.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I wonder for baseball fans, can can you wrap your
arms around it that Ty cob not the isn't the
leading hitter in Major League baseball history anymore, is Josh Gibson?
And do you like this or do you push back
on it and say they didn't play in the major leagues.
They played in the negro leagues, and they shouldn't mix
the numbers together even though it wasn't there doing. They
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didn't have an opportunity to play in the big leagues.
And I think that's what baseball's looking at to say,
these guys were great in their own right and we
know this.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Chris.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Here's why. To me, it's legitimate. One of the all
time great players is Willie Mays, who played in that
league as well. It's not like none of the guys
who play in that league Chris ever made it in
the majors. Then you can make an argument Satchel Paige
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was pitching in his right fifties the big leagues. That's
another argument to tell you what kind of talent was
there Jackie Robinson, who again.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Jackie rob the best player, came into the league and
won Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
When did he win his first MVP? I think it was.
I mean, it was pretty pretty earlos. It was early.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So my point is he wasn't even the best player
in the Negro leagues and he came right into the
major leagues and played great right away.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You know, that was the first year of the Rookie
of the Year too, nineteen forty really, yeah, and he
won it first year they gave Rookie of the Year.
But I think it's those things like that, Qusch that
Legitimtyer rib his third season, so it was fiftyp What
year was that for forty nine?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And now he didn't enter the major the Negro the
majors until he was twenty eight himself, right, so he
was older too.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
But yeah, I agree, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I think the fact that you did have players that
played in the Negro leagues come into the majors and
play well and be some of the best players.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I think the fact that rob when they played against
one another.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
There you go, that was the leagues would win their
fair share of.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Games one like they were getting slaughtered, like it was
little league against major league.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And they played in a lot of those.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Games, Chris, so I was telling you about like All
Star games like Bondstorming, would it played?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Oh yeah, And they held their own and won plenty
of the games.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And I also think rob the fact that African American
players have been great baseball players, so it's not like
they couldn't Like they're some of the best players that
we've ever seen. So to say that the Negro leagues
was not up to par, there's just no reason not
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to believe that it was up to park.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
And let's not forget Hank Aaron played in the Negro League,
Chris Negro League, Well, he played for the Indianapolis Clowns,
so he was another player. There's just too many great
players who played in that league who wound up going
on to start in the major leagues.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And I think that's the.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Validity of it all, is that these guys, had they
been given the chance, would have been great players longer,
you know, and would have had many of opportunities to
establish these records.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
We came in on the late and on the back end, Chris,
and still go look at the record books. It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And some people might say, well, it's not fair to
the major league players at the time. Now Ty Cobb
and others their records won't stand. But I say, well,
it was much more fair to them, and what's even
happening today is still more fair to them than it
was fair to the black players during that.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Time, who couldn't pick out less money.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
They obviously didn't get the stardom that they would have gotten.
That's generational wealth that they missed out on because they,
you know, because of racism.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
So I'm fine, I think, and.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I totally believe this is legitimate, and I am overjoyed
about this. I think the one legitimate argument against the
ROD that I could see if somebody had was that
they did play so much fewer games you can you probably,
you know, because this stamina becomes and it is it's
easier obviously to play fifty.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Games than one hundred and fifty four, right, yeah, so can.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You hit three fifty over?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean, we see it all the time in the majors,
where you know, first thirty, forty games of the season.
Maybe even do that be hitting three? Yeah, yeah, and
so that's the only legitimate singer. But I still love
this and I'm proud of baseball for this.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
This is a very good.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
No, this is groundbreaking, Chris, This is really a groundbreaking
and it's not a toe gesture a token gesture.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Is yeah, let's acknowledge them.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Let's put their own their plaques on this wall over
here in this room. Let's cut them a check to
the three living Negro league player.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Keep them move out of pitch or something like keep
him move pitch or whatever. Yeh, totally agree? All right?
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who many most baseball fans have heard of, Josh Gibson
black or white, but knew he was one of the
best players ever. But now he is officially the all
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time leader in batting.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Average with three seventy three.
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Speaker 3 (15:40):
How do you feel about the.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Major League Baseball incorporating negro league statistics into the record
book officially?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
And now some of the all.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Time leaders in a few categories have changed, most notably
Josh Gibson leading all time batter as far as batting average.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
We seventy three Your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
All right, Chris, Let's kick it off with Thomas and
Nashville in Nashville. You're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio. What's up, Mike, Mike and Nashville.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Sorry, I think it's a little absurd. They didn't play
the same competition. And at what point did people discredit
the negro leagues? Where was did I miss that topic?
We've always acknowledged.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Well, if it's if it's, if it's not discredited, then
why shouldn't the stats count?
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Well, okay, then let's take the UFL stats and we'll
integrate them with the NFL stats.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Tell me nobody stuck abody in that rock?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Well, and also, those teams couldn't compete with the NFL teams.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
And Mike, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
We just mentioned some of the players who played in
the Negro League, like they have enough evidence that they
played against each other. If you told me that, you
could show me scores were the major leagues major leaguers
beat the negro leaguers nineteen and NS forty one to nothing,
then I would.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Buy your I'd buy your argument. But that's not the case.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
If you do your research and find out how those
players did against the major league players, and all.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
USFL only lasted a few years versus you talking about
decades in the negro leagues.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Gore Kevin Wyrett. You guys, No, that was USA us.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Chris.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
No, I was just saying too, like to put that
shoe on the other foot for a second, Like, are
we gonna just I know that we all kind of
appreciate the dead ball era of baseball, but come on,
there was a lot easier, Like I'm sure not all
of those pitchers Ty Cobb was hitting off of were
exactly the best of the world out there either. It's
just kind of like they they was what they were.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
In the majors.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I mean, whether they but but Chris's point is I
think just that.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
They didn't play against some of the greatest players who
ever played.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
An old line about the sixties NBA with the Boston
Celtics about plumbers and firefighters and stuff like that's probably
happening with Major League Baseball in the back in the
day too.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, No, I get it that that that that those
guys who were in the majors probably weren't as good,
to be honest, and I don't know know not.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Babe Ruth pitched hit against Satchel Page.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I would love to have seen that, Chris and their primes,
wouldn't you, Rob.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
It's the same way reason I started really validating the
ABA when I realized and saw that over the last
three years of their exhibitions, when the ABA teams would
play NBA teams, the ABA teams won sixty five percent
of the games. Wow, how can you say the NBA
was better when they were getting beaten more often than
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not by the ABA teams.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So I started crediting Doctor.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
J's two championships in the ABA. I mean, if you
credit the ones in the NBA at that time, why
not the ones in the ABA when we see it.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Was just as good.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I mean from the star players they had to even
the teams beating NBA teams regularly.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Thomas and Iowa, you're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's up, Thomas?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
What's that?
Speaker 8 (19:03):
I just want to get my two cents in it.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
First I first saw I was a kid.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
I was taking the Negro Baseball Museum in Kansas City.
I'm taking my son there this year, making a tradition.
It's a great history. But as far as like the
stats wise, it feels like it's a money grab, trying
to get more colored audience, audience or a different audience
because of their networks are going through bankruptcy. Like it's
I don't like Manford the commissioner at.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
All of anything with them.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
And why not bring Kurt Warner's stats from Europe?
Speaker 10 (19:35):
Just that is being football as good as NFL football,
I know, and and and like whatever it is and
what and what and what and this whole idea Chris,
that this is to appease the black fans or whatever,
It's just not.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
It's it's the.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Bottom line remains that you have the evidence of these players, Chris,
that Willie Mays played.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
In the knee Well, he's one of the greatest players
who ever played. He played in that league. Hey Garant
played in that league. I could a money grab. I
don't think this is good money. I wish it this.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
They're going against their fan base, are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
How right you heard? The first two guys are against it.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
I guarantee you there's a lot of people out there who.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Hate this, and that's fun for you. Got we got
the don't feel like you can't call in and voice
your opinion. You have no issue with real talk here.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So yeah, if you if you, if you have an
issue with it, that's fine to say.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
The first two guys.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, and I haven't heard like. I don't think those
reasons hold water rights with the U.
Speaker 9 (20:45):
S f L.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
We know the US it's not the same comparison. It's not.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And that's the problem. Van in Duluth, Minnesota. You're on
the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
What's up, Van, folks?
Speaker 11 (20:56):
The last two callers are so out of their mind.
There was barnstorming in the nineteen thirties. The New York
Yankees would play the Negro Leagues. They would be completely
competitive with the Ruth Gerrig New York Yankees. Those guys
knew how good these players were, how good these teams were.
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You want to talk about schedule, Well, they had to
go through hell, going through the South trying to get
to wherever the hell they were going to. How much
did that take off their career?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
No, no doubt.
Speaker 11 (21:30):
And I grew up in Chicago. I'm seventy one years old.
I saw Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Frank Robinson, Ernie Banks.
And if you look at what happened to the All
Star Games when they meant something in baseball, that's why,
that's why the National League started to kick the American
League's ass. Because the American League was so slow and
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developing black talent.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Chris, and he spot on because the three teams to
get black players. If I remember, Boston was last, Detroit,
the Yankees, and Philadelphia, those.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Were the last four teams. And remember the.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Red Sox were nineteen fifteen, Jackie Robinson was nineteen forty seven, Chris.
The Red Sox was nineteen fifty nine, Chris, like twelve
years later. Think about that. If anybody wants to always
argue about Boston, I argue all you want twelve years
after Jackie Robinson.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
The owner Briggs in Detroit, Chris, when black players would
come in, black fans wanted to go to Briggs Stadium
back then. What he would do is, of course there
was a black section out, but instead of paying fifty
cents to send in the bleachers, he would charge them
two dollars to try to deter them from going, you
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know what I mean, like from coming to the ball
apart the fifty cent seats all of a sudden with
two dollars because he didn't want him to He didn't
want him in the stadium.
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be held responsible if something bad happens to Mike Tyson?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yep? I mean I agree, this is not like that's
the last.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
The worst thing that could happen to Mike Tyson before
this fight, Chris is for him to have a medical
emergency right right, just.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
Troller rolling a couple of Fox Sports Radio Joe Burrow.
Cincinnati Bengals quarterback is back at OTAs after suffering season
ending hand injury midway through last season, but his favorite
targets Te Higgins and Jamar Chase. They're not both eligible
for new contracts. Higgins as an offer the franchise, Chase
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on the last year in his contractor has made the
Pro Bowl in all three of the last three seasons.
Chris cooling and rolling the wide receivers. Missing Ota is
a bad time for the Bengals season.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I'm gonna troll it.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
Oh many, Hey, hey, hey hey.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's not great, but it's OTA's It's not mandatory.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Jamar Chase, I think he'll get paid.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
But if he wants to get paid, you know, like
if they don't pay him, the best way to get
paid by the Bengals or somebody else is to play
great football.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
T Higgins, same thing. He's on the franchise tag.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I get him being upset, but the best way for
him to go get a new deal for next year
is to play great, and he's already said he said
back in April, he's going to be there with the Bengals,
you know, and play for them if he doesn't get traded.
So it's not ideal, but I don't think it's just
gonna ruin the season.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Yeah, I'm trolling it, Oh many, Hey, this is just
you know what happens in football. It's the way you
do business, Chris, and you have no other choice other
than to respond this way to be able to get
a new deal. So they're not doing anything out of school.
This is business as usual and it's not gonna change much.
Speaker 9 (27:47):
It couldn't change coming up. Bro, I'm throwing and ruining
a couple of five sports radio. And the reason I
say that is because speaking about Thaight, the NFL players
Union is pushing to her move biolutary off season workouts
in favor of longer training camps. Camp will get underway
now as early as mid June instead of men to
(28:08):
late July, which is the current structure. Chris rolling or
rolling the NFL changing the offseason structure.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I'm rolling with that, they see me.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I mean, if I was an NFL player, I want
a full break, like, don't be don't be chopping up
my vacation by now. Now I'm supposed to come to OTA's.
I know it's not mandatory, but if I don't come,
you're reporting, you know that I'm a problem, and this
and that.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And and have a longer training camp.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
It's not like they're trying to get out of work.
They're just trying to shift the schedule. So I got
no problem with it at all.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
You roll with it, Chris, I wrote, with gonna be twins,
all these questions they see me. I agree with Chris.
It is uh, I'm just gonna you said it. I'm
with Chris on this one. Where are you Martin?
Speaker 9 (29:06):
I don't I mean, I mean, if the players uned
is pitching for it, then I'll be in favor of it.
I guess. I guess players would rather have like I
hear what Chris is saying in terms of because normally
OTAs would be followed by like two months off right,
and then you have to go back for training camp.
You make a longer training camp period. I would just
(29:28):
say this, if you're gonna have me in training camp
longer and not voluntary offseason workout. I feel like my
pay check should reflect the fact that I've been training
camp longer, because training camp is not voluntary. You gotta
be there.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, that's interesting that you know.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You're right, I mean, OTA's is voluntary and training camp isn't.
So you would think there might be some type of
concession right there that maybe the players will get. But
I just don't see why. I mean, OTA's, I get
it if you want to. You know, guys will still
be making sure they don't get you out of shape
or whatever. But I mean, let guys have an off season.
(30:07):
You know, the season is long enough and tough enough.
Let them have an off season, like a fool will
where I don't have to cut my trips short, or
you my time with family or whatever to go to
these OTAs.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
I agree, I think especially two because you know, second,
guys with families, like school is still in session right now,
so it's like, are you starting that period to where
they'll be able to spend more time with their families,
more time with their kids.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Because yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
They're very thinking traveling all the time.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Where are you at Martin on the Negro League stats
being incorporated in Major League Baseball, I love it, Honestly.
Speaker 9 (30:47):
I think the negro Leagues were at the own professional league,
that shit that has his own, rich, robust history. And
while I understand Major League Baseball trying to essentially integrate
the sport, just you know what, eighty years later, I
think that it said it to be celebrated on its
own and Major League Baseball instead of trying to combine
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now say the High Leader or Josh Gibson instead of
Pob Cobb, I think they should just put more emphasis
in studying the history of the negro Leagues and why
it existence and also true why it's no longer and
why it no longer exists because of the way that
branch Rickey signed Jackie Robinson. I think that integrating the
stats in that way, to me is the half measure,
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and I just I.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Don't really because you can do both.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I mean, I think they do emphasize the negro Leagues,
but as much as they've emphasized it, it still isn't unfortunately,
isn't perceived to have been on the level with Major
League Baseball. So I think incorporating the stats and now
making Josh Gibson the all time hit leader. As far
as battan average, I think that it shouldn't take this,
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but unfortunately that's the society where Martin.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I think that does.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Perception wise give more legitimacy to the Negro league stats.
Speaker 9 (32:08):
Well, real quick, I'll tell you is if anybody's questioning
whether or not Negro league players could have played in
the Major League. Jackie Robinson made his first start nineteen
forty seven, one Rookie of the Year from nineteen forty eight,
we know.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That, but you don't stop people from thinking the Negro
leagues was inferior.
Speaker 12 (32:29):
Well, eleven of the fifteen National League most valuable players
from nineteen forty eight to nineteen sixty two, eleven of
the fifteen were Black ball players. So he's still to
say that they couldn't have competed. If you're looking at
it that way, I'm not saying you are, but people
very short sighted.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
All they gotta do is take a look at the
not you just said it. I mean, it wasn't. It's ridiculous.
And even a guy like Satchel Page in his fifties,
if he would have pitched during his heyday what he
could have done in the damage. And again somebody called
up one of our callers listeners, and he was right.
They used to Bondstorm play against Babe Ruth and those
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guys Louke Garrig. They held their own, they won games,
they competed, They competed.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
All right, Martin, thank you.
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Speaker 3 (34:06):
Rob the Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And the Timberwolves are nodded at halftimes forty nine all winner.
If Dallas wins this game, they'll go on to face
the Celtics in the finals. We got Rob, that's ten
days from now or nine days from now, so we
will be without basketball for more than a week if
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it's that ideal Dallas doesn't win tonight, right. I remember
Rob sometimes covering when I, you know, wrote for the
New York Times and the Knicks. In some of these
playoff series we covered, I mean, they would have for
some reason eleven days off or you know, nine days
in between games, seven days in between games, and man,
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it was tough as a writer because you just had
to find something to write about on all these off days.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I know you remember that.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Oh yeah, I was coming to the NBA playoffs all
that time, Chris my first four years, you know, I
was an NBA writer. So it was strange. And then
they kind of got it figured out. But it was
will Willy Nilly was all over the place.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
It was real. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Well, speaking of the Celtics, they dismantled the payrun, not
dismantled them, but swept them close games. It was the
third closest sweep, Rob in terms of points, it was
a twenty seven points separated the two teams. So that
was the third closest sweep I think in a seven
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game series, Rob, g is that whereas let me find
the stat But it was the third closest sweep maybe
in a conference final.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yes, third closest in a conference final since the eighties. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
So, but here's what I'm gonna ask you, Rob, the Pacers,
who obviously played the last two games without their best player,
Tyre's Halliburton, do you think that they are here to
stay as contenders or do you think they'll go the
way of the Atlanta Hawks, who a few years ago
made the conference finals and haven't been heard from since.
Speaker 11 (36:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I think the Pacers are better.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
We saw them, remember, Chris, before, when they got into
the championship for the nd season tournament, they were rolling.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Halla.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Burton is a special player. I really think he is,
and I think he makes guys around him better. Chris,
I don't think that they're gonna go away. I mean,
that's just my gut. I think this team is pretty good.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Now, look next year it will be tougher, obviously, Boston
still there, Milwaukee we assume will be better next year.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Philadelphia is certainly still gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Miami, you know, is Miami, so they'll they'll probably be around,
you know. So I don't know that they'll be the
second best team in the East, but I think they'll
be like a.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Legitimate conference contender like I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I would have those other three teams I mentioned maybe
ahead of them, although they handle Milwaukee really well this
year in the regular season then beat them in the
playoffs without Yiannis.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
But I agree.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I think Tyrese Halliburton is very good. Hopefully his health
isn't an issue. He's better than Trey Young, bigger than
Trey Young, Pascal Siakam, Rob, he's been an All NBA
player a couple times, like he's really good. And I
think this was just this is just gonna make them better, Rob,
you know, nim Hard and those guys, they're gonna come
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back better. And Rick carl Out who didn't have a
good coaching series against Boston.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
We know he's a good coach though, So I agree.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I think they're here to stay, and they if they're healthy,
I think they're gonna be a team that's tough to
beat in the playoffs. And again I'm not saying they
be the favorite or anything, maybe not even an Eastern
Conference favorite, you know, as far as they get to
the conference finals. But they gonna be tough and I
think they'll be a top notch team in the East.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I think they're gonna be a headache and they're gonna
be around and cause issues and if you don't take
them seriously, they could beat you.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
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Speaker 3 (00:57):
You never want to miss that, all right, Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We got a very interesting story here, and you started
off the show talking about it, how Major League Baseball
was now going to integrate negro league statistics into their
official stats, and how that changes some of the all
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time leaders.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I'll let you kind of mention those names.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
But I love this, Rob, I love this this to
me is a real This is like not just paying
lip service to Black history or the misdeeds of the past,
to put it lightly against African Americans.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
This is acknowledging.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
That the Negro leagues was legitimate and that like now,
and I you know, I read the article in USA
today about this rob and Josh gibbson one of his descendants.
I think it might have been I don't know if
he's a grandson or great grandson or what, but he
said that now when people think of Josh Gibson, they
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won't think of him as just a great Negro league player,
but they'll think of him as a great player period.
And I don't like the fact it is what it is.
Don't like the fact that he has to kind of,
you know, the major leagues has to acknowledge him for
him to get his full credit. We should value what
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he did in the Negro leagues just for.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
What it is.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But that's the society we're in right now, and that's
the state of things, and so I do this is
going to raise the stature of Josh Gibson and Satchel
Page and those other great Negro league players who never
got a chance. And even though Satchel did play in
the major leagues, but a lot who you know their
right right during their primes, they didn't play in the
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majors or didn't play period in the majors. And Ron
we all know Jackie Robinson, who lit the major leagues
on fire right from the beginning, was not the best
Negro league player.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
No, he was the one that they picked.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
He was hand picked Chris because he growing up in
California and it was just a difference. He thought that
he would be able to deal with what he had
to endure. We talked about all the time. Jackie Robinson
died early because of the stress that he carried, Chris
for everybody and what he had to endure, even teammates
in the beginning, you know what I mean, a lot
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of people didn't want him out there, and imagine playing there.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's it's it's a miracle.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
And I say this seriously that something tragic didn't happen
like it's a miracle.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
He could have said, nobody could have came his way
and you might have even gotten away with it.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
He's the way things went.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's what I'm saying, like like for real, and even
imagine being in the major leagues. You can't even eating
the restaurants. The Dodgers, to their credit, Chris wouldn't stay
at the hotels that wouldn't allow Jackie.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
They would move. They wouldn't let their team stay there.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
If he had to eat in the kitchen, A lot
of teammates would eat in the kitchen with them, you
know what I mean, not in the main dining room.
It was a different world, and I think a lot
of people I get it. It was, but it wasn't
a million years ago. That's what I always say that
people who were running nineteen forty seven, Chris, they're still
alive years ago, right right, they could still be alive
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and still be a part of the society.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
But this was a normal place.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
But yeah, I mean, Chris, just to say, I was
on some of the zoom calls on this a part
of this review committee and how to figure out what
stats should count, which ones shouldn't count. And I mean
it was a zoom calls about twenty twenty five people
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including like CC Sabbathia was on it and Smith the
Hall of Fame, UH baseball writer, you know, the only
female black baseball writer who was in the Hall of
fame with Claire, you know, New York much respect for
Claire and her coverage of baseball and what even she
went through in her career when Dick Williams was the
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manager of the project, because I don't know if you
know the story. Again, this wasn't a hundred years ago,
and they kicked her out of the clubhouse and and
Dick Williams didn't want her in there, and.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Steve Garvey and some of the other players.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Chris got dressed, came outside to give Claire her interviews
when he heard when they heard what was going on,
Guys like that who just didn't you know, didn't buy
into these old school managers and what was going on.
But the bottom line is in this it was trying
to figure out what stats they They've come through all
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black newspapers and coverages of these games to figure out,
you know, did a guy have three home runs? And
where they get the numbers from, and they try to
authenticate the numbers and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
And now you look at a situation, Chris, where.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Josh Gibson, it used to be the leading hitter in
baseball for a long time, was Ty Cobb.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Now it's Josh Gibson three or three seventy three batting average.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Slugging percentage, Chris another one on base percentage. I mean
he's a big time you know, big, big time longstanding
major league baseball records and where people fit in and
that they're going to embrace it and not like you said, Chris,
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just lip service or let us just give it. Let's
just give a check to the twenty three hundred remaining.
I think that's what the number is, whatever legal league players,
or that's how many were they.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I think there's only three left. How many? It's not many.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Three players who played and the Negro leagues are alive today.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I can't remember I saw that. Let me see it,
Let me ask you this, Let me go, Chris, let
me just give this to you. So there were twenty
more than twenty three hundred Negro league ball players between
nineteen twenty and nineteen forty eight, including the eras three
living Negro league players, es, Chris, there's only three. And
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guess what one of the all time greats is Willy Mays,
who is going.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
To be down when we go to Birmingham on June twentieth.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
He played in the Negro League down in Birmingham, Alabama,
Chris at Rickwood, which is the oldest stadium in this
country's history baseball stadium.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
And Willie Mays, he's ninety three.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I hope he can make it down there, you know,
for this game against the Cardinals and the Giants. But
there are only three remaining Negro League players, and Willie
Mays is one of them.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Let me ask you this, as I look at these numbers,
did the Negro leagues?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Did they just played?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
They played a lot fewer games because I mean, obviously
the majors were playing one hundred and fifty four, one
hundred and fifty four back right, one hundred and fifty
four games.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I look at Josh Gibson's stats.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And I mean most he ever played in the year,
at least according to these numbers on Baseball Reference, was
sixty nine games was.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
The most he played in the year.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
That makes sense, Yeah, there were fifty games, So they
didn't They did not play.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Nearly as many games as the as the Major League.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
No, I don't think because it wasn't. I think that
they probably played Chris obviously a shorter schedule. It wasn't
as established as Major League baseball with one hundred and
fifty four games in the stadiums, and that's why they
did bond storming and they did All Star games against
the major leaguers because they had, you know, to be
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able to do.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Things like that. This is interesting.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I wonder for baseball fans, can can you wrap your
arms around it that Ty cob not the isn't the
leading hitter in Major League baseball history anymore, is Josh Gibson?
And do you like this or do you push back
on it and say they didn't play in the major leagues.
They played in the negro leagues, and they shouldn't mix
the numbers together even though it wasn't there doing. They
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didn't have an opportunity to play in the big leagues.
And I think that's what baseball's looking at to say,
these guys were great in their own right and we
know this.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Chris.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Here's why. To me, it's legitimate. One of the all
time great players is Willie Mays, who played in that
league as well. It's not like none of the guys
who play in that league Chris ever made it in
the majors. Then you can make an argument Satchel Paige
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was pitching in his right fifties the big leagues. That's
another argument to tell you what kind of talent was
there Jackie Robinson, who again.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Jackie rob the best player, came into the league and
won Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
When did he win his first MVP? I think it was.
I mean, it was pretty pretty earlos. It was early.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So my point is he wasn't even the best player
in the Negro leagues and he came right into the
major leagues and played great right away.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You know, that was the first year of the Rookie
of the Year too, nineteen forty really, yeah, and he
won it first year they gave Rookie of the Year.
But I think it's those things like that, Qusch that
Legitimtyer rib his third season, so it was fiftyp What
year was that for forty nine?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And now he didn't enter the major the Negro the
majors until he was twenty eight himself, right, so he
was older too.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
But yeah, I agree, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I think the fact that you did have players that
played in the Negro leagues come into the majors and
play well and be some of the best players.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I think the fact that rob when they played against
one another.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
There you go, that was the leagues would win their
fair share of.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Games one like they were getting slaughtered, like it was
little league against major league.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And they played in a lot of those.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Games, Chris, so I was telling you about like All
Star games like Bondstorming, would it played?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Oh yeah, And they held their own and won plenty
of the games.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And I also think rob the fact that African American
players have been great baseball players, so it's not like
they couldn't Like they're some of the best players that
we've ever seen. So to say that the Negro leagues
was not up to par, there's just no reason not
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to believe that it was up to park.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
And let's not forget Hank Aaron played in the Negro League,
Chris Negro League, Well, he played for the Indianapolis Clowns,
so he was another player. There's just too many great
players who played in that league who wound up going
on to start in the major leagues.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And I think that's the.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Validity of it all, is that these guys, had they
been given the chance, would have been great players longer,
you know, and would have had many of opportunities to
establish these records.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
We came in on the late and on the back end, Chris,
and still go look at the record books. It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And some people might say, well, it's not fair to
the major league players at the time. Now Ty Cobb
and others their records won't stand. But I say, well,
it was much more fair to them, and what's even
happening today is still more fair to them than it
was fair to the black players during that.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Time, who couldn't pick out less money.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
They obviously didn't get the stardom that they would have gotten.
That's generational wealth that they missed out on because they,
you know, because of racism.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
So I'm fine, I think, and.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I totally believe this is legitimate, and I am overjoyed
about this. I think the one legitimate argument against the
ROD that I could see if somebody had was that
they did play so much fewer games you can you probably,
you know, because this stamina becomes and it is it's
easier obviously to play fifty.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Games than one hundred and fifty four, right, yeah, so can.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You hit three fifty over?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean, we see it all the time in the majors,
where you know, first thirty, forty games of the season.
Maybe even do that be hitting three? Yeah, yeah, and
so that's the only legitimate singer. But I still love
this and I'm proud of baseball for this.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
This is a very good.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
No, this is groundbreaking, Chris, This is really a groundbreaking
and it's not a toe gesture a token gesture.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Is yeah, let's acknowledge them.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Let's put their own their plaques on this wall over
here in this room. Let's cut them a check to
the three living Negro league player.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Keep them move out of pitch or something like keep
him move pitch or whatever. Yeh, totally agree? All right?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox. How do you
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into their record books? All of a sudden, now Josh Gibson,
who many most baseball fans have heard of, Josh Gibson
black or white, but knew he was one of the
best players ever. But now he is officially the all
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time leader in batting.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Average with three seventy three.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
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Speaker 1 (15:31):
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You'll turn the way in.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
How do you feel about the.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Major League Baseball incorporating negro league statistics into the record
book officially?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
And now some of the all.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Time leaders in a few categories have changed, most notably
Josh Gibson leading all time batter as far as batting average.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
We seventy three Your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
All right, Chris, Let's kick it off with Thomas and
Nashville in Nashville. You're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio. What's up, Mike, Mike and Nashville.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Sorry, I think it's a little absurd. They didn't play
the same competition. And at what point did people discredit
the negro leagues? Where was did I miss that topic?
We've always acknowledged.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Well, if it's if it's, if it's not discredited, then
why shouldn't the stats count?
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Well, okay, then let's take the UFL stats and we'll
integrate them with the NFL stats.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Tell me nobody stuck abody in that rock?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Well, and also, those teams couldn't compete with the NFL teams.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
And Mike, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
We just mentioned some of the players who played in
the Negro League, like they have enough evidence that they
played against each other. If you told me that, you
could show me scores were the major leagues major leaguers
beat the negro leaguers nineteen and NS forty one to nothing,
then I would.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Buy your I'd buy your argument. But that's not the case.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
If you do your research and find out how those
players did against the major league players, and all.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
USFL only lasted a few years versus you talking about
decades in the negro leagues.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Gore Kevin Wyrett. You guys, No, that was USA us.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Chris.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
No, I was just saying too, like to put that
shoe on the other foot for a second, Like, are
we gonna just I know that we all kind of
appreciate the dead ball era of baseball, but come on,
there was a lot easier, Like I'm sure not all
of those pitchers Ty Cobb was hitting off of were
exactly the best of the world out there either. It's
just kind of like they they was what they were.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
In the majors.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I mean, whether they but but Chris's point is I
think just that.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
They didn't play against some of the greatest players who
ever played.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
An old line about the sixties NBA with the Boston
Celtics about plumbers and firefighters and stuff like that's probably
happening with Major League Baseball in the back in the
day too.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, No, I get it that that that that those
guys who were in the majors probably weren't as good,
to be honest, and I don't know know not.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Babe Ruth pitched hit against Satchel Page.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I would love to have seen that, Chris and their primes,
wouldn't you, Rob.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
It's the same way reason I started really validating the
ABA when I realized and saw that over the last
three years of their exhibitions, when the ABA teams would
play NBA teams, the ABA teams won sixty five percent
of the games. Wow, how can you say the NBA
was better when they were getting beaten more often than
(18:37):
not by the ABA teams.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So I started crediting Doctor.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
J's two championships in the ABA. I mean, if you
credit the ones in the NBA at that time, why
not the ones in the ABA when we see it.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Was just as good.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I mean from the star players they had to even
the teams beating NBA teams regularly.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Thomas and Iowa, you're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's up, Thomas?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
What's that?
Speaker 8 (19:03):
I just want to get my two cents in it.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
First I first saw I was a kid.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
I was taking the Negro Baseball Museum in Kansas City.
I'm taking my son there this year, making a tradition.
It's a great history. But as far as like the
stats wise, it feels like it's a money grab, trying
to get more colored audience, audience or a different audience
because of their networks are going through bankruptcy. Like it's
I don't like Manford the commissioner at.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
All of anything with them.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
And why not bring Kurt Warner's stats from Europe?
Speaker 10 (19:35):
Just that is being football as good as NFL football,
I know, and and and like whatever it is and
what and what and what and this whole idea Chris,
that this is to appease the black fans or whatever,
It's just not.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
It's it's the.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Bottom line remains that you have the evidence of these players, Chris,
that Willie Mays played.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
In the knee Well, he's one of the greatest players
who ever played. He played in that league. Hey Garant
played in that league. I could a money grab. I
don't think this is good money. I wish it this.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
They're going against their fan base, are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
How right you heard? The first two guys are against it.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
I guarantee you there's a lot of people out there who.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Hate this, and that's fun for you. Got we got
the don't feel like you can't call in and voice
your opinion. You have no issue with real talk here.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So yeah, if you if you, if you have an
issue with it, that's fine to say.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
The first two guys.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, and I haven't heard like. I don't think those
reasons hold water rights with the U.
Speaker 9 (20:45):
S f L.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
We know the US it's not the same comparison. It's not.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And that's the problem. Van in Duluth, Minnesota. You're on
the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
What's up, Van, folks?
Speaker 11 (20:56):
The last two callers are so out of their mind.
There was barnstorming in the nineteen thirties. The New York
Yankees would play the Negro Leagues. They would be completely
competitive with the Ruth Gerrig New York Yankees. Those guys
knew how good these players were, how good these teams were.
(21:18):
You want to talk about schedule, Well, they had to
go through hell, going through the South trying to get
to wherever the hell they were going to. How much
did that take off their career?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
No, no doubt.
Speaker 11 (21:30):
And I grew up in Chicago. I'm seventy one years old.
I saw Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Frank Robinson, Ernie Banks.
And if you look at what happened to the All
Star Games when they meant something in baseball, that's why,
that's why the National League started to kick the American
League's ass. Because the American League was so slow and
(21:53):
developing black talent.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Chris, and he spot on because the three teams to
get black players. If I remember, Boston was last, Detroit,
the Yankees, and Philadelphia, those.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Were the last four teams. And remember the.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Red Sox were nineteen fifteen, Jackie Robinson was nineteen forty seven, Chris.
The Red Sox was nineteen fifty nine, Chris, like twelve
years later. Think about that. If anybody wants to always
argue about Boston, I argue all you want twelve years
after Jackie Robinson.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
The owner Briggs in Detroit, Chris, when black players would
come in, black fans wanted to go to Briggs Stadium
back then. What he would do is, of course there
was a black section out, but instead of paying fifty
cents to send in the bleachers, he would charge them
two dollars to try to deter them from going, you
(22:57):
know what I mean, like from coming to the ball
apart the fifty cent seats all of a sudden with
two dollars because he didn't want him to He didn't
want him in the stadium.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
All right, it's the eye A couple of Christ and
rob trolling or rolling with Martin Weiss's next, but.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
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Speaker 4 (23:25):
They see me, Tom Brady, he's done.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Aaron Rodgers did not have a Pro Bowl season. Trying
to kiss me. It's trolling or rolling, right, trolling.
Speaker 9 (23:39):
And rolling out Martin Wis, And I'll break it down
for you real quick. If Robin Chris like the story
that I read you a roll San, they see me rolling,
they don't trolly oh man.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Hey, hey hey, hey, hey, hey hey hey.
Speaker 9 (23:57):
Seven year old Mike Tyson suffered a medical scare on
a fight from Miami to Los Angeles just a few
days ago. Magics I could ten to the former heavyweight
champ will on board now Tyson's reps, saying he was
quote doing great now he became nausey and busy due
to an ultra floyer of thirty minutes before landing. He's
appreciative of the medical staff that was there to help him.
(24:19):
End quote, and Tyson himself tweeted now feeling one hundred
percent even though I don't need to be to beat
Jake Paul totally a rolling fifty seven year old iron
Mike Tyson with also in his stomach going through with
the Jake fall fight.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
It's a tough Onefore, I'm mantroll it, oh many, Hey, hey, hey,
I just think first of all, and I I have
no idea how to fight would go. I hope Tyson
would knock his block off, and I think he is
possibly could. But I think you have the question of
(25:00):
fifty eight year old man getting in the ring with
a twenty seven year old under under any circumstances. But
now that Tyson just you know, had these issues on
the plane ulcers, No, I think they should call the
fight off. I'm not gonna boycott it or anything like that,
(25:21):
but I just think you're playing with a little bit
of fire and they probably should call it off.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I'm trolling it as well.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Oh man, if you're sanctioned in this fight and all
this other stuff, this is gonna be on your head
if something bad happens like this. This is their signal,
you know what I mean to be like, who's gonna
be held responsible if something bad happens to Mike Tyson?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yep? I mean I agree, this is not like that's
the last.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
The worst thing that could happen to Mike Tyson before
this fight, Chris is for him to have a medical
emergency right right, just.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
Troller rolling a couple of Fox Sports Radio Joe Burrow.
Cincinnati Bengals quarterback is back at OTAs after suffering season
ending hand injury midway through last season, but his favorite
targets Te Higgins and Jamar Chase. They're not both eligible
for new contracts. Higgins as an offer the franchise, Chase
(26:23):
on the last year in his contractor has made the
Pro Bowl in all three of the last three seasons.
Chris cooling and rolling the wide receivers. Missing Ota is
a bad time for the Bengals season.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I'm gonna troll it.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
Oh many, Hey, hey, hey hey.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's not great, but it's OTA's It's not mandatory.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Jamar Chase, I think he'll get paid.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
But if he wants to get paid, you know, like
if they don't pay him, the best way to get
paid by the Bengals or somebody else is to play
great football.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
T Higgins, same thing. He's on the franchise tag.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I get him being upset, but the best way for
him to go get a new deal for next year
is to play great, and he's already said he said
back in April, he's going to be there with the Bengals,
you know, and play for them if he doesn't get traded.
So it's not ideal, but I don't think it's just
gonna ruin the season.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Yeah, I'm trolling it, Oh many, Hey, this is just
you know what happens in football. It's the way you
do business, Chris, and you have no other choice other
than to respond this way to be able to get
a new deal. So they're not doing anything out of school.
This is business as usual and it's not gonna change much.
Speaker 9 (27:47):
It couldn't change coming up. Bro, I'm throwing and ruining
a couple of five sports radio. And the reason I
say that is because speaking about Thaight, the NFL players
Union is pushing to her move biolutary off season workouts
in favor of longer training camps. Camp will get underway
now as early as mid June instead of men to
(28:08):
late July, which is the current structure. Chris rolling or
rolling the NFL changing the offseason structure.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I'm rolling with that, they see me.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I mean, if I was an NFL player, I want
a full break, like, don't be don't be chopping up
my vacation by now. Now I'm supposed to come to OTA's.
I know it's not mandatory, but if I don't come,
you're reporting, you know that I'm a problem, and this
and that.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And and have a longer training camp.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
It's not like they're trying to get out of work.
They're just trying to shift the schedule. So I got
no problem with it at all.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
You roll with it, Chris, I wrote, with gonna be twins,
all these questions they see me. I agree with Chris.
It is uh, I'm just gonna you said it. I'm
with Chris on this one. Where are you Martin?
Speaker 9 (29:06):
I don't I mean, I mean, if the players uned
is pitching for it, then I'll be in favor of it.
I guess. I guess players would rather have like I
hear what Chris is saying in terms of because normally
OTAs would be followed by like two months off right,
and then you have to go back for training camp.
You make a longer training camp period. I would just
(29:28):
say this, if you're gonna have me in training camp
longer and not voluntary offseason workout. I feel like my
pay check should reflect the fact that I've been training
camp longer, because training camp is not voluntary. You gotta
be there.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, that's interesting that you know.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You're right, I mean, OTA's is voluntary and training camp isn't.
So you would think there might be some type of
concession right there that maybe the players will get. But
I just don't see why. I mean, OTA's, I get
it if you want to. You know, guys will still
be making sure they don't get you out of shape
or whatever. But I mean, let guys have an off season.
(30:07):
You know, the season is long enough and tough enough.
Let them have an off season, like a fool will
where I don't have to cut my trips short, or
you my time with family or whatever to go to
these OTAs.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
I agree, I think especially two because you know, second,
guys with families, like school is still in session right now,
so it's like, are you starting that period to where
they'll be able to spend more time with their families,
more time with their kids.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Because yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
They're very thinking traveling all the time.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Where are you at Martin on the Negro League stats
being incorporated in Major League Baseball, I love it, Honestly.
Speaker 9 (30:47):
I think the negro Leagues were at the own professional league,
that shit that has his own, rich, robust history. And
while I understand Major League Baseball trying to essentially integrate
the sport, just you know what, eighty years later, I
think that it said it to be celebrated on its
own and Major League Baseball instead of trying to combine
(31:09):
now say the High Leader or Josh Gibson instead of
Pob Cobb, I think they should just put more emphasis
in studying the history of the negro Leagues and why
it existence and also true why it's no longer and
why it no longer exists because of the way that
branch Rickey signed Jackie Robinson. I think that integrating the
stats in that way, to me is the half measure,
(31:31):
and I just I.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Don't really because you can do both.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I mean, I think they do emphasize the negro Leagues,
but as much as they've emphasized it, it still isn't unfortunately,
isn't perceived to have been on the level with Major
League Baseball. So I think incorporating the stats and now
making Josh Gibson the all time hit leader. As far
as battan average, I think that it shouldn't take this,
(31:57):
but unfortunately that's the society where Martin.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I think that does.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Perception wise give more legitimacy to the Negro league stats.
Speaker 9 (32:08):
Well, real quick, I'll tell you is if anybody's questioning
whether or not Negro league players could have played in
the Major League. Jackie Robinson made his first start nineteen
forty seven, one Rookie of the Year from nineteen forty eight,
we know.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That, but you don't stop people from thinking the Negro
leagues was inferior.
Speaker 12 (32:29):
Well, eleven of the fifteen National League most valuable players
from nineteen forty eight to nineteen sixty two, eleven of
the fifteen were Black ball players. So he's still to
say that they couldn't have competed. If you're looking at
it that way, I'm not saying you are, but people
very short sighted.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
All they gotta do is take a look at the
not you just said it. I mean, it wasn't. It's ridiculous.
And even a guy like Satchel Page in his fifties,
if he would have pitched during his heyday what he
could have done in the damage. And again somebody called
up one of our callers listeners, and he was right.
They used to Bondstorm play against Babe Ruth and those
(33:06):
guys Louke Garrig. They held their own, they won games,
they competed, They competed.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
All right, Martin, thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
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Fox Sports Radio every Saturday, five to eight Pacific, eight
to eleven Eastern.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Thanks Martin, great job, Yes, sir, Marock Couple coming your
way Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 1 (33:40):
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Speaker 3 (34:06):
Rob the Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And the Timberwolves are nodded at halftimes forty nine all winner.
If Dallas wins this game, they'll go on to face
the Celtics in the finals. We got Rob, that's ten
days from now or nine days from now, so we
will be without basketball for more than a week if
(34:34):
it's that ideal Dallas doesn't win tonight, right. I remember
Rob sometimes covering when I, you know, wrote for the
New York Times and the Knicks. In some of these
playoff series we covered, I mean, they would have for
some reason eleven days off or you know, nine days
in between games, seven days in between games, and man,
(34:56):
it was tough as a writer because you just had
to find something to write about on all these off days.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I know you remember that.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Oh yeah, I was coming to the NBA playoffs all
that time, Chris my first four years, you know, I
was an NBA writer. So it was strange. And then
they kind of got it figured out. But it was
will Willy Nilly was all over the place.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
It was real. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Well, speaking of the Celtics, they dismantled the payrun, not
dismantled them, but swept them close games. It was the
third closest sweep, Rob in terms of points, it was
a twenty seven points separated the two teams. So that
was the third closest sweep I think in a seven
(35:41):
game series, Rob, g is that whereas let me find
the stat But it was the third closest sweep maybe
in a conference final.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yes, third closest in a conference final since the eighties. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
So, but here's what I'm gonna ask you, Rob, the Pacers,
who obviously played the last two games without their best player,
Tyre's Halliburton, do you think that they are here to
stay as contenders or do you think they'll go the
way of the Atlanta Hawks, who a few years ago
made the conference finals and haven't been heard from since.
Speaker 11 (36:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I think the Pacers are better.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
We saw them, remember, Chris, before, when they got into
the championship for the nd season tournament, they were rolling.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Halla.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Burton is a special player. I really think he is,
and I think he makes guys around him better. Chris,
I don't think that they're gonna go away. I mean,
that's just my gut. I think this team is pretty good.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Now, look next year it will be tougher, obviously, Boston
still there, Milwaukee we assume will be better next year.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Philadelphia is certainly still gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Miami, you know, is Miami, so they'll they'll probably be around,
you know. So I don't know that they'll be the
second best team in the East, but I think they'll
be like a.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Legitimate conference contender like I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I would have those other three teams I mentioned maybe
ahead of them, although they handle Milwaukee really well this
year in the regular season then beat them in the
playoffs without Yiannis.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
But I agree.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I think Tyrese Halliburton is very good. Hopefully his health
isn't an issue. He's better than Trey Young, bigger than
Trey Young, Pascal Siakam, Rob, he's been an All NBA
player a couple times, like he's really good. And I
think this was just this is just gonna make them better, Rob,
you know, nim Hard and those guys, they're gonna come
(37:49):
back better. And Rick carl Out who didn't have a
good coaching series against Boston.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
We know he's a good coach though, So I agree.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I think they're here to stay, and they if they're healthy,
I think they're gonna be a team that's tough to
beat in the playoffs. And again I'm not saying they
be the favorite or anything, maybe not even an Eastern
Conference favorite, you know, as far as they get to
the conference finals. But they gonna be tough and I
think they'll be a top notch team in the East.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I think they're gonna be a headache and they're gonna
be around and cause issues and if you don't take
them seriously, they could beat you.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
All Right, it is the odd couple. We are signing
off after another three hour show, But don't touch that doll.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
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