June 4, 2024 • 31 mins
Chris and Rob tell us why CJ Stroud is wrong when he says that Matthew Stafford would’ve won three or four Super Bowls if he played most of his career in Green Bay like Aaron Rodgers did, take the Chicago Tribune to task for their latest column on Caitlin Clark and it’s thinly-veiled racism and tell us if they'd rather have the NFL careers of Rodgers or Eli Manning.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm trashing the Chicago Tribune. Okay, they wrote an editorial.
I'm gonna let Rob g summarize it and then get
into my thoughts. Came out yesterday editorial.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's an editorial that came out and.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
People for the entire editorial board department, a sports column
or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So rather than just summarize it, I'm gonna read two
small paragraphs and let you guys be the judge. But
this is the gist of the story in this Corgo Tribune.
The foul committed by Chicago sky guard Kennedy Carter was egregious.
Outside of a sporting contest, it would have been seen
as an assault. Even within a sporting context. It was bad.
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They had later Really there's more Chris, I want you
to hear this last part. She has to compete. I
about Kaitlyn Clark on her own merits. But basketball has rules.
And if the WNBA choose her up and spits her
out because it is too afraid of being called racist
to protect her from a racially tinged animosity, or indeed
from fouls such as the one Carter committed, it will
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have done a huge disservice to its own game, now
at a major inflection point. Thanks in no small measure too. Yes,
Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm trashing the Chicago Tribune.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
That's week week.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It would have been assault away from a basketball court.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
How much wouldn't be an what fouls?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Rob, wouldn't be an assault away from a basketball.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I'm assuming that they've never seen in a Chicago black
Hawks game qus assault happened.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Seconds, say football, watch the Bears lately. Now they're getting assaulted.
They're not doing much as salting. But I mean, really,
come on, man, and I mean I'm sorry, Rob. There's
been a lot of talk from people saying that Caitlyn
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Clark is getting all this attention, or at least a
lot of it, because she's white.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Because it's racism. I haven't seen it that way.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I have said, Look, Diana Torazi was white, is white,
Brianna Stewart is white, Sue Bird, Sabrina your netco. A
lot of WNBA stars or college stars have been white
in female basketball, and none of them were championed like
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Caitlyn Clark. None of them captured the imagination of the
public like Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
So I think it's the way she.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Plays, like Steph Curry coind of logo threes, great ball handling,
great passing vision, all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
But there have been some instances of racism.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
One of them was when Iowa was invited to the
White House even though they lost.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Tell us you, I mean, what, all of a sudden,
the first time you're gonna invite the runner up.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
To the White House, it just happens to be a
virtually all white team led by a white star.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I think that was some racism.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And I think this column, which Rob if you read
the whole thing, is written like Caitlyn Clark is some
princess who finds herself lost in a jungle, and oh my,
you better protect her, these these wild things out there
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that are going after That's how it read shame on
the Chicago Tribune. That was ridiculous, And to me, that
was racist because there's a angel race getting hammered too,
filed physically and and all that stuff, and I haven't
seen them write about her.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I think, like, it's not just the physical.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I mean, she's getting physical play, but some of that's
just you a rookie.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And she's not the only one.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We're focusing on her because of her stardom, but a
lot of them are getting that.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
But I just think that was ridiculous what the Chicago
Tribune did.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yeah, it just it just sounds way way off base.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Uh it sounds like.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
They're overdoing it Chris and trying to, uh say, leave
her alone, let her do whatever she wants, let her shoot,
leave her open, leave her open. What are you doing?
I mean, who are the other basketball players who were
saying that they should be like the w NBA is
making a mistake.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
They should be like the w w EE.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Yeah, they should just allow allow her to win the
championship and move out.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Of the way and all that. Are you serious? Really?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Come on?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Man?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Come on, and the same thing. If it's a foul,
Crystal'll call it. If it ain't a foul play on
It's so simple, so simple.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I think some of the Tribune was because you read
the column. They were somewhat reacting in my feeling, Rob
G you you ready too, You let me know if
you agree. I think they were somewhat reacting to Whoopee
Goldberg and Sonny Houston on the View, who were basically
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defending Kennedy Carter's chop block on Caitlyn Clark, and that
was bad. Like I'm like, look sometimes like that was wrong.
Black people aren't perfect. We do things wrong. Sometimes that
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was wrong.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
And for Whoopy Goldberg.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
And Sunny Hostin to act like, oh, that's just part
of the game.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
It wasn't a basketball play.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I'm not saying you gotta make Kennedy Clark out to
be some bad person. I'm not saying that we've seen
players do this type of thing, but don't defend it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
It was a dirty play.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You can admit it was a dirty play and still
have your views on you think Caitlin Clark's getting favorable
treatment because you white or whatever, but you can't defend
stuff that's just indefensible. And the league came back the
next day and said it was a flagrant one. It
was like, if you want to get back at Caitlyn Clark,
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who you know, threw an elbows.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I saw it. I thought it was indecisive if I
saw the right video.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
But if you say she threw an elbow at Carter,
you want to get her back, get her back in
the in the during the game, and it still might
be called a foul, It still might be called a flagrant.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
But if she goes to the whole fouler hard something
like that. But this, you can't defend that, Rob.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's like Carl Malone when he hammered Isaiah Tomms drove
to I can't defend it. It was a dirty play.
And so I think the Tribune was responding to that.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Both of them, Moron, both of them Maron.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
And this thing Rob has become really polarizing where it's
like people putting politics in this and taking you know,
almost like their political views are informing their view of this.
Call it like you see it, Kennedy Carter's shot. Shot
was dirty. We're not castigating her going forward. It was
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just a dirty like in that instance, And the Chicago
Tribune's column was definitely racist to me, ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
It just it just didn't make any sense.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
And to use the word assault, really, yes, did they
pull her hair?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Did they hit her head on the concrete? Chris assault, Pumpter.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Isn't that a little a little excessive to call that
behavior assault? Was there a baseball bat on the court,
Chris that I didn't see you? Was there a jump
kick in the back where she wasn't looking?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
You know? Like? No, like I'm stopping. Stop. I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
When Draymond Green some of the things he's done, and
I know that's there. Obviously he's black, But I'm just saying,
like we've seen him do worse on the court roight
or I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Is it somewhat sexist?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
It's saying that women shouldn't, you know, have hard fouls
and physical play.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I just they are wrong for that.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It'll be interesting, I know it came out yesterday, so
be interesting to see what kind of responses they get
from that.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
But Rob, again, that was not a column by a in.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
The sports section, right, that was the editorial board of
the paper.
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Speaker 4 (10:07):
CJ. Stroud, Now, I love c J. Stroud.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You know, I liked him, you know, at Ohio State.
I thought that Carolina should have drafted him first.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I didn't predict it.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Bryce Young, which be bad and maybe he won't, maybe
he'll turn it around.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
But I did like CJ. Stroud better.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I like his gumption, Rob. I like his the fact
that he's not afraid to say what he wants to say,
whether you agree with him or not.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
You know, I mean he.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Did his top five quarterbacks Rob on a podcast and
put himself number three, So I mean Hey, I like
the audacity and when you do that, you got to
go out and improve it. And he certainly did that
as a rookie. But he's gonna have to keep doing that.
But he was talking on.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
The podcast with Gilly the Kid.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It is called a million dollars worth. I'm trying to
find uh million dollars worth of game and uh he
was talking about, you know, quarterbacks and winning championships and
Rob here's one of the things he said.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Stafford A Stafford another one. Bro, he might be up
there with Brady and them. Bro, No, that's crazy, that's crazy.
I mean, let me go back. I'm a student of
the game Stafford doll he is. No, you don't understand, Bro,
you saying that. That's all I watch.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I don't watch nobody else.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
I watched Mahomes at times because Mahomes done some stuff
that like, you can't coach Stafford dog, he will beat
you with the same thing every time. All that no
lick stuff. I got that from Bruh. Like, look, that's
one of my big Like I'm I'm a fan of his.
Like I'll be trying to find bro traders. I'll be
trying to like working his watch.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
That's hold on.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
If you give Matthew Stafford a chance, like Aaron, I
guarantee you might have had more rings for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Oh yeah, he gave another ring problem.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
No, I'll say he had like three four h Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Wow, that's all I got to say to that for now.
I know you want to I know you chomping at
the bit, Rob Parker. Night a Chrisroth, what a knight
to start in Detroit. So let's see what you got.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
It's typical that guys who can play don't know anything
about the game.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Wow. Like that, That's what I would say.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Has he really watched Matthew Stafford? I, Chris, I watched.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Him from the start of his career. I covered every.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Lions game home and road as a columnist in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Okay, stop with the hyperboleague.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Stop with this whole idea the Lions when they lost.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
To the Cowboys in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Chris, first of all, he had a Hall of Fame
wide receiving Calvin Johnson. He had a dominant sue all right,
an all Pro. He had Nick Fairley, who was another
really good player that year they lost the Dallas.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
They have number five defense. Go look it up. They're tremendous.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
And the Super Bowl that you're claiming he would have
had all these other Super Bowls, he was fortunate to
get that one.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
He threw a pick. He threw a pick in the game, Chris.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
That would have probably lost it for the Rams, but
it was dropped and that dB is no longer in
the National Football League. That was the punishment for dropping
another one of Matthew Stafford's Aaron passes. And talk about
all the yards that he put up, Chris.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I covered the.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Games, Lions down twenty one to nothing after the first quarter,
Stafford had throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
You can't throw it. They'll let you throw the ball.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
In front of him, in front of their defense, Chris
all day. So I'm not saying that Stafford is a
terrible quarterback on he can't play, but to try to
rewrite history and say that a guy won four Super
uh four m vps, A multiple Pro Bowler, right, Chris,
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you know how hard it is to be a Pro
Bowl only I don't think.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Tom Bowler, right, how many times when he was in Detroit?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, only only one time? And that was all pro,
all pro, I mean pro real difficult, Yeah, yeah, the
all Pro spot is hard to get uh and and
those other situations. If he likes him, that's fine. But
to really sit there and say, oh, he would have
won three or four Super Bowls, I just don't.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I don't see it.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
And I think it's again, this sounds to me, Chris,
like when you ask these players and they say Paul
George is the goat. That that that's that's it's on
that level. To me, that Paul which is the goat,
I just ton't. I don't even understand it. Look, Aaron
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Rodgers has the highest quarterback rating of any quarterback in
the history of the NFL. Aaron Rodgers has the best
touchdown interception. Those are things I'm not making up. That's
not feelings, these are just facts. Stepford's not in any
of that Qutch you said.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
At one Pro Bowl. I think it was an alternative.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
His numbers are impressive, as you know. I mean, there
was talk about would he be a Hall of Fame now.
He's not even guaranteed to be in the Hall of
Fame now, but would remember the even in Detroit, rod
because of the numbers. It was like, man, what do
we do with this guy? He doesn't win, but his
numbers are are crazy, particularly yards. Look, I don't like
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First of all, I do think I disagree with you
on CJ. Stroud not knowing football like I do. This
is his opinion, and obviously an opinion can be wildly wrong.
I'm not saying that, but I think from listening to
him talk, obviously he's been out there this summer, he's
been talking a lot about the sport.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
I do think he knows the game. I do believe
he's a.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Student of the game, and I think that's part of
his success.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I think he's a smart quarterback.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So I'm not gonna agree that he don't know what
he's talking about as far as the game.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
But this, these exercises kind of bothered me.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Because, I mean, Rob, if we want to shift dudes,
and what if we I mean, this's been played before. Well,
what if Rogers was with Belichick in New England? How
many Super Bowls would he have won? What if Marino
was here or there? How many super Bowls will he have?
(16:48):
At the end of the day, I'm judging you on
what you did. And we have seen top quarterbacks turn
franchises around, and Matthew Stafford was unable to do that.
In Detroit. So I just think I can't play the
what if game. I'm going based on what they did.
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And look, Aaron Rodgers, rob I have taken him.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
To task for his playoff failures.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
He I mean in NFC championship games he's won in four,
he's lost his last four. And for a guy and
you talked about his passer rating his claim to fame,
and rightly so will be he don't throw interceptions, oh
except for in the NFC title game, where he's got
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eight in five games and he has nine touchdowns. That
his TDD interception ratio is incredible, the best ever. But
in those NFC championship games, he's not himself a robed
Even in the one he won, you remember this, he
had two interceptions and no touchdown passes.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And its Stafford.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I'm not gonna sit here and cape for Stafford because
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
He's as good as Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
But you know, in Detroit you talked about the one
year he had a good defense, because for he was
there for what twelve years, and only one time had
a defense in the top ten in terms of points allowed,
And that was probably the year you're talking about when
they lost to Dallas they were third. But overall, I mean, look,
it's some of it's on him. Calvin Johnson wasn't throwing
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those balls to himself, so you gotta give Stafford some
credit for that.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
But at the end of the day, we do.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Judge these quarterbacks by your ability to win and elevate
a team, and quite plain and simple, he wasn't able
to do that.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
And I'm just not here to play the what if game? Yep.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
And let me give you these quick stats, Chris and
eight of Rogers' ten playoff losses, his defense is either
giving up thirty seven points five times, okay, or he
led the game time drive and then never got the
ball back. That happened three times and for contact.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Times in his in his playoff history, yeah, three times.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Where he playoff losses eight of the ten.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Playoff loss eleven and ten in playoffs, yeah yeah, And
they can't be eight of the ten, yeah, eight of
the eight of the ten he gave his.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Defense either gave up thirty seven points. I don't want
to go too far.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
That happened five times, right either, or or he led
the game time drive and never got the ball back.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
That happened three times. And last thing for context, Aaron.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Rodgers defense has given up thirty seven plus points five
of the ten playoff losses. Just for comparison, Tom Brady's
defense Chris has given up thirty seven or more points ready,
just eight times in three hundred and eighty one games.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Just eight times. That's where you could play the what
if there?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Right, But my point, I'm not buying that with Rodgers
because we watched those games. I mean, in the last
they lost to San Francisco thirty seven to twenty, but
they were down twenty seven oh at halftime. I mean, yeah,
the defense was bad, but so was Rogers.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Can you score? You know? So and then he come in.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Second half and you know, his stats ended up looking
okay as they go prevent defense and all that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
And the same thing with Tampa Bay Rob.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
You remember that they were down twenty eight ten early
in the third quarter and then he kind of rallied
to make it respectable. But yeah, those are games where
it looks like, oh, the defense gave up thirty plus points,
but he didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Do anything offensively until it was over.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So I mean, look, his numbers are what they are
in these NFC title games and that's a that's a
mark on his resume. But yeah, I'm sorry, I can't
put Matthew Stafford ahead of him.
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Speaker 4 (20:55):
Rob We talked earlier about CJ.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Stroud and his interview with Gilly the Kidd and others
on uh A Million dollars worth of Game, and he said.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Some strong stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
He said that Matthew Stafford could have won, would have
won three or four championships, super Bowls had he been
in Green Bay instead of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
And he said as well that he was asked.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Rob who whose career he would rather have, between Eli
Manning and Aaron Rodgers. A lot of Aaron Rodgers theme
stuff that was going on, but here he.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Is, if you had to pick a career to have,
I'm gonna have Aaron Rodgers career or I'm gonna have
Eli Manning's career.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Who career are you taking?
Speaker 7 (21:48):
You want the rings?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
No, you don't want.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Rings? Did Roger?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Did Gilly the Kid agree with him? I mean it
sounded like it, but.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
He's very anti Aaron Rodgers. If you watch any of
that podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Oh wow, but Rob, where are you at on the
whose career would.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
You rather have? Eli Manning's or Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
It's not even close. I take Aaron Rodgers all the way.
It's different if you never won. I always say that,
if you never want, then you could look at it
and say, man Dann Marinos. Some people thought he was gold.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
He never won.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
He went to Super Bowl his second year in his career,
never went back. Okay, I get it. You would want
a chance at winning, Chris to put the icing on
the cake, to cherry on top, whatever you want, especially
the kind of career that uh Dan Marino have.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
That's some more interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
That's an interesting discussion Marino's career or Eli's, because, like
I said, get one.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
And that's what I'm saying. He didn't get one.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
I just when the guys are all pro and all this,
and I just can't really look at that and say,
and you know, I think Eli deserves to be in
the Hall of Fame. I think because he beat the Patriots, oh,
the eighteen and old Patriots, you know, and all those
other things. And I give him credit for the two
(23:19):
big throws he had, but the bodies of work just
a mismatch.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
They just a mismatch. Rob, It's not like you said,
it's not even close. I mean, I'm sorry, and shout
out to Eli because he had two.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Incredible playoff runs and some magical moments, because two big
ones like no if stands or buts about it. But
come on, there is no way I would rather have
beat Eli Man in terms of his career than Aaron Rodgers.
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Aaron Rodgers for, oh, have it one super Bowl, and
that's good, but he got the only the one super Bowl.
He's still in the discussion, firmly in the discussion robe
for top five quarterback of all. Yes, he's got four MVPs.
And let's keep it real, all of us. Yes, we
(24:19):
want to win, but we also want to excel individually.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Michael Jordan, there's a couple of stories about him.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
One was he wanted to win, but he wanted to
be the reason they won, right, and and another one
was when text winner one time when Jordan was coming
there was a timeout and Jordan's coming off the court.
I don't know, maybe he took a bunch of shots
or something, and text Winner said Michael, there's no I
in team, and Jordan said, but there's an eye and win, right,
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I mean, and Rob, look, I was I told you
I was a role player when I played basketball in
cop and yeah, as a role player, I just want
to win. I wouldn't worry about how many points I
got or whatever because I was your role player.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I was just playing good.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
D want to help the team win, all right. But
when you are a star, like when you got star ability,
you don't want to just go somewhere and average twelve
points a game and win a championship. You want to
win a championship, sure, but you want to be able
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to fulfill your individual potential. And so and I think
everybody feels that way. And so I look, Aaron Rodgers.
I talked earlier about, you know, the disappointments in NFC
title games and all that. But the fact is for
MVPs that's second most all time, right to Peyton Manny's
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five yep, one of the top five quarterbacks or so ever,
and does have a Super Bowl, you can't say he's
not a winner.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
So it ain't even close. It's not even close.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
I just that's just that's just an agenda there that
maybe that's what they want or whatever. And and it's
fine if you think Eli that you would take that career. Uh,
but even you look at Peyton Manning, Chris the second
one he got?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Was that really, Eli? I mean Peyton Manning the second one.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I mean he made and he gets brig time credit
for that route.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Yeah, you know, I mean, like you're right, one yards.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I mean he just played one despite him. There's no
question about that.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Are you kind of saying now I think Peyton Manning.
I'm not. I'm not saying I'm just saying Rogers. I'm saying,
like I'm talking about this.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Like there's a very small difference between them in terms
of championships.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I would give you that.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, That's what I'm just saying, like, like like there's
one like where you win and you're great and people
look at and go, my god.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And it's another way. If you aren't great, you're at
least you're in your prime.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You're a driving force for the team all year, even
if you had a bad game. But and Manny was
not a driving for us for them all year. He
struggled that year.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
They got benched that year for what was that Brock.
What was that guy's name? Yeah, I know who. You
know what I'm talking about, Chris?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I feel but you're right.
People don't seem to really think about that. When they
think of Payton, they just think of the two super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
But yeah, he really.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Eli's two super Bowls are more impressive, Christen than Peyton's.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well the games, yes, the games he played.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I agree both.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I mean, obviously you rather well, would you Who's whose
career would you rather have between?
Speaker 5 (27:47):
No, I would take Payton Manny with five m vps.
But I'm just saying, if you're just going just.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I mean, it's almost rob almost. It's not apples to
apples necessarily, but it's almost like saying, would you rather
be David Tyree or Calvin Johnson?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And I know Johnson didn't even win a Super Bowl,
but my point is didn't want to play all time great.
He's an all time great receiver. And Tyree, you know,
obviously wasn't MVP of that gain but made this historic
catch in the Super Bowl. I just saw him last
week at breakfast my wife, and did you really Yeah,
he's here in Jersey, he said, you know, we're pretty
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good friends.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
The bad part is he walks around with a football
stuck to his helmet.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
You know what I'm saying. But sorry, sorry, y'all.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
That that don't say that on sports rap radio. They're
gonna start calling this sports whack radio.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
So I'll look at you already giving us a bad name.
Not y'all you're gonna put that on a put that
out there. Shoot.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
But no, I mean it's not even and close. And
I've heard people some Rob. I think sometimes sometimes people
almost are unable to have a nuanced discussion because when
we talk about whether it's Jordan Lebron or whether it's
Brady versus whoever, when you bring rings into it, which
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is a factor, some people just hear that conversation and
now to them, Rob is just rings. It's nothing else.
It's just ring. We're never saying that. We're saying that
is a legitimate part of the discussion, and it's a
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meaningful part of the discussion, an important one, but it's
not the only part. And so I just think this
is a situation where it seems like, I mean, CJ
just even said you want them rings, you want those reasons.
I like that he's got that attitude because I think
he's more talented than Eli, and maybe, you know, maybe
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he will he'll be.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
A big winner and put up the individual numbers. That'd
be great.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But I mean, like I said, Rob, the interesting one
is Marino or Eli. That's an interesting conversation.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
No, that that that's one where you would have to
cause Damn Marino was a legendary uh pastor of the
football because way before it became he was watching, he
was winning up today's numbers, back when nobody else was
coming close to that.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I also think Terry Bradshaw or Aaron Rodgers, I think
I go Bradshaw.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
He's got of.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Course the four super Bowl I think he won one MVP.
He was never he was not individually as good as Rogers,
but nobody.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
You know what, Terry Bradshaw doesn't get the love for
for for super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
He just does. I think he does.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
He doesn't know he's not mentioned as like a top
five quarterback because he wasn't what he is viewed as
like this. He is like a legend beyond what his
individual you know, just regardless like takeaway the winning, his
individual performance didn't warrant the love he gets and Obviously
he's gotten a lot of love as a broadcaster.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
He's done a great job with that.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
But I do think he's viewed as like a legend
because of the four and he was great no Super
Bowls a lot like he made some great throws to
Lynn Swann and John Starworth and all that.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
But yeah, that is an interesting one as well.
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm trashing the Chicago Tribune. Okay, they wrote an editorial.
I'm gonna let Rob g summarize it and then get
into my thoughts. Came out yesterday editorial.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's an editorial that came out and.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
People for the entire editorial board department, a sports column
or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So rather than just summarize it, I'm gonna read two
small paragraphs and let you guys be the judge. But
this is the gist of the story in this Corgo Tribune.
The foul committed by Chicago sky guard Kennedy Carter was egregious.
Outside of a sporting contest, it would have been seen
as an assault. Even within a sporting context. It was bad.
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They had later Really there's more Chris, I want you
to hear this last part. She has to compete. I
about Kaitlyn Clark on her own merits. But basketball has rules.
And if the WNBA choose her up and spits her
out because it is too afraid of being called racist
to protect her from a racially tinged animosity, or indeed
from fouls such as the one Carter committed, it will
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have done a huge disservice to its own game, now
at a major inflection point. Thanks in no small measure too. Yes,
Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm trashing the Chicago Tribune.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
That's week week.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It would have been assault away from a basketball court.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
How much wouldn't be an what fouls?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Rob, wouldn't be an assault away from a basketball.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I'm assuming that they've never seen in a Chicago black
Hawks game qus assault happened.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Seconds, say football, watch the Bears lately. Now they're getting assaulted.
They're not doing much as salting. But I mean, really,
come on, man, and I mean I'm sorry, Rob. There's
been a lot of talk from people saying that Caitlyn
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Clark is getting all this attention, or at least a
lot of it, because she's white.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Because it's racism. I haven't seen it that way.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I have said, Look, Diana Torazi was white, is white,
Brianna Stewart is white, Sue Bird, Sabrina your netco. A
lot of WNBA stars or college stars have been white
in female basketball, and none of them were championed like
(03:04):
Caitlyn Clark. None of them captured the imagination of the
public like Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
So I think it's the way she.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Plays, like Steph Curry coind of logo threes, great ball handling,
great passing vision, all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
But there have been some instances of racism.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
One of them was when Iowa was invited to the
White House even though they lost.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Tell us you, I mean, what, all of a sudden,
the first time you're gonna invite the runner up.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
To the White House, it just happens to be a
virtually all white team led by a white star.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I think that was some racism.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And I think this column, which Rob if you read
the whole thing, is written like Caitlyn Clark is some
princess who finds herself lost in a jungle, and oh my,
you better protect her, these these wild things out there
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that are going after That's how it read shame on
the Chicago Tribune. That was ridiculous, And to me, that
was racist because there's a angel race getting hammered too,
filed physically and and all that stuff, and I haven't
seen them write about her.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I think, like, it's not just the physical.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I mean, she's getting physical play, but some of that's
just you a rookie.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And she's not the only one.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We're focusing on her because of her stardom, but a
lot of them are getting that.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
But I just think that was ridiculous what the Chicago
Tribune did.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yeah, it just it just sounds way way off base.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Uh it sounds like.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
They're overdoing it Chris and trying to, uh say, leave
her alone, let her do whatever she wants, let her shoot,
leave her open, leave her open. What are you doing?
I mean, who are the other basketball players who were
saying that they should be like the w NBA is
making a mistake.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
They should be like the w w EE.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Yeah, they should just allow allow her to win the
championship and move out.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Of the way and all that. Are you serious? Really?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Come on?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Man?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Come on, and the same thing. If it's a foul,
Crystal'll call it. If it ain't a foul play on
It's so simple, so simple.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I think some of the Tribune was because you read
the column. They were somewhat reacting in my feeling, Rob
G you you ready too, You let me know if
you agree. I think they were somewhat reacting to Whoopee
Goldberg and Sonny Houston on the View, who were basically
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defending Kennedy Carter's chop block on Caitlyn Clark, and that
was bad. Like I'm like, look sometimes like that was wrong.
Black people aren't perfect. We do things wrong. Sometimes that
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was wrong.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
And for Whoopy Goldberg.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
And Sunny Hostin to act like, oh, that's just part
of the game.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
It wasn't a basketball play.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I'm not saying you gotta make Kennedy Clark out to
be some bad person. I'm not saying that we've seen
players do this type of thing, but don't defend it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
It was a dirty play.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You can admit it was a dirty play and still
have your views on you think Caitlin Clark's getting favorable
treatment because you white or whatever, but you can't defend
stuff that's just indefensible. And the league came back the
next day and said it was a flagrant one. It
was like, if you want to get back at Caitlyn Clark,
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who you know, threw an elbows.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I saw it. I thought it was indecisive if I
saw the right video.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
But if you say she threw an elbow at Carter,
you want to get her back, get her back in
the in the during the game, and it still might
be called a foul, It still might be called a flagrant.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
But if she goes to the whole fouler hard something
like that. But this, you can't defend that, Rob.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's like Carl Malone when he hammered Isaiah Tomms drove
to I can't defend it. It was a dirty play.
And so I think the Tribune was responding to that.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Both of them, Moron, both of them Maron.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
And this thing Rob has become really polarizing where it's
like people putting politics in this and taking you know,
almost like their political views are informing their view of this.
Call it like you see it, Kennedy Carter's shot. Shot
was dirty. We're not castigating her going forward. It was
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just a dirty like in that instance, And the Chicago
Tribune's column was definitely racist to me, ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
It just it just didn't make any sense.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
And to use the word assault, really, yes, did they
pull her hair?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Did they hit her head on the concrete? Chris assault, Pumpter.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Isn't that a little a little excessive to call that
behavior assault? Was there a baseball bat on the court,
Chris that I didn't see you? Was there a jump
kick in the back where she wasn't looking?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
You know? Like? No, like I'm stopping. Stop. I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
When Draymond Green some of the things he's done, and
I know that's there. Obviously he's black, But I'm just saying,
like we've seen him do worse on the court roight
or I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Is it somewhat sexist?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
It's saying that women shouldn't, you know, have hard fouls
and physical play.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I just they are wrong for that.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It'll be interesting, I know it came out yesterday, so
be interesting to see what kind of responses they get
from that.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
But Rob, again, that was not a column by a in.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
The sports section, right, that was the editorial board of
the paper.
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Speaker 4 (10:07):
CJ. Stroud, Now, I love c J. Stroud.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You know, I liked him, you know, at Ohio State.
I thought that Carolina should have drafted him first.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I didn't predict it.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Bryce Young, which be bad and maybe he won't, maybe
he'll turn it around.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
But I did like CJ. Stroud better.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I like his gumption, Rob. I like his the fact
that he's not afraid to say what he wants to say,
whether you agree with him or not.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
You know, I mean he.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Did his top five quarterbacks Rob on a podcast and
put himself number three, So I mean Hey, I like
the audacity and when you do that, you got to
go out and improve it. And he certainly did that
as a rookie. But he's gonna have to keep doing that.
But he was talking on.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
The podcast with Gilly the Kid.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It is called a million dollars worth. I'm trying to
find uh million dollars worth of game and uh he
was talking about, you know, quarterbacks and winning championships and
Rob here's one of the things he said.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Stafford A Stafford another one. Bro, he might be up
there with Brady and them. Bro, No, that's crazy, that's crazy.
I mean, let me go back. I'm a student of
the game Stafford doll he is. No, you don't understand, Bro,
you saying that. That's all I watch.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I don't watch nobody else.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
I watched Mahomes at times because Mahomes done some stuff
that like, you can't coach Stafford dog, he will beat
you with the same thing every time. All that no
lick stuff. I got that from Bruh. Like, look, that's
one of my big Like I'm I'm a fan of his.
Like I'll be trying to find bro traders. I'll be
trying to like working his watch.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
That's hold on.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
If you give Matthew Stafford a chance, like Aaron, I
guarantee you might have had more rings for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Oh yeah, he gave another ring problem.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
No, I'll say he had like three four h Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Wow, that's all I got to say to that for now.
I know you want to I know you chomping at
the bit, Rob Parker. Night a Chrisroth, what a knight
to start in Detroit. So let's see what you got.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
It's typical that guys who can play don't know anything
about the game.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Wow. Like that, That's what I would say.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Has he really watched Matthew Stafford? I, Chris, I watched.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Him from the start of his career. I covered every.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Lions game home and road as a columnist in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Okay, stop with the hyperboleague.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Stop with this whole idea the Lions when they lost.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
To the Cowboys in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Chris, first of all, he had a Hall of Fame
wide receiving Calvin Johnson. He had a dominant sue all right,
an all Pro. He had Nick Fairley, who was another
really good player that year they lost the Dallas.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
They have number five defense. Go look it up. They're tremendous.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
And the Super Bowl that you're claiming he would have
had all these other Super Bowls, he was fortunate to
get that one.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
He threw a pick. He threw a pick in the game, Chris.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
That would have probably lost it for the Rams, but
it was dropped and that dB is no longer in
the National Football League. That was the punishment for dropping
another one of Matthew Stafford's Aaron passes. And talk about
all the yards that he put up, Chris.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I covered the.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Games, Lions down twenty one to nothing after the first quarter,
Stafford had throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
You can't throw it. They'll let you throw the ball.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
In front of him, in front of their defense, Chris
all day. So I'm not saying that Stafford is a
terrible quarterback on he can't play, but to try to
rewrite history and say that a guy won four Super
uh four m vps, A multiple Pro Bowler, right, Chris,
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you know how hard it is to be a Pro
Bowl only I don't think.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Tom Bowler, right, how many times when he was in Detroit?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, only only one time? And that was all pro,
all pro, I mean pro real difficult, Yeah, yeah, the
all Pro spot is hard to get uh and and
those other situations. If he likes him, that's fine. But
to really sit there and say, oh, he would have
won three or four Super Bowls, I just don't.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I don't see it.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
And I think it's again, this sounds to me, Chris,
like when you ask these players and they say Paul
George is the goat. That that that's that's it's on
that level. To me, that Paul which is the goat,
I just ton't. I don't even understand it. Look, Aaron
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Rodgers has the highest quarterback rating of any quarterback in
the history of the NFL. Aaron Rodgers has the best
touchdown interception. Those are things I'm not making up. That's
not feelings, these are just facts. Stepford's not in any
of that Qutch you said.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
At one Pro Bowl. I think it was an alternative.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
His numbers are impressive, as you know. I mean, there
was talk about would he be a Hall of Fame now.
He's not even guaranteed to be in the Hall of
Fame now, but would remember the even in Detroit, rod
because of the numbers. It was like, man, what do
we do with this guy? He doesn't win, but his
numbers are are crazy, particularly yards. Look, I don't like
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First of all, I do think I disagree with you
on CJ. Stroud not knowing football like I do. This
is his opinion, and obviously an opinion can be wildly wrong.
I'm not saying that, but I think from listening to
him talk, obviously he's been out there this summer, he's
been talking a lot about the sport.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
I do think he knows the game. I do believe
he's a.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Student of the game, and I think that's part of
his success.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I think he's a smart quarterback.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So I'm not gonna agree that he don't know what
he's talking about as far as the game.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
But this, these exercises kind of bothered me.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Because, I mean, Rob, if we want to shift dudes,
and what if we I mean, this's been played before. Well,
what if Rogers was with Belichick in New England? How
many Super Bowls would he have won? What if Marino
was here or there? How many super Bowls will he have?
(16:48):
At the end of the day, I'm judging you on
what you did. And we have seen top quarterbacks turn
franchises around, and Matthew Stafford was unable to do that.
In Detroit. So I just think I can't play the
what if game. I'm going based on what they did.
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And look, Aaron Rodgers, rob I have taken him.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
To task for his playoff failures.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
He I mean in NFC championship games he's won in four,
he's lost his last four. And for a guy and
you talked about his passer rating his claim to fame,
and rightly so will be he don't throw interceptions, oh
except for in the NFC title game, where he's got
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eight in five games and he has nine touchdowns. That
his TDD interception ratio is incredible, the best ever. But
in those NFC championship games, he's not himself a robed
Even in the one he won, you remember this, he
had two interceptions and no touchdown passes.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And its Stafford.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I'm not gonna sit here and cape for Stafford because
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
He's as good as Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
But you know, in Detroit you talked about the one
year he had a good defense, because for he was
there for what twelve years, and only one time had
a defense in the top ten in terms of points allowed,
And that was probably the year you're talking about when
they lost to Dallas they were third. But overall, I mean, look,
it's some of it's on him. Calvin Johnson wasn't throwing
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those balls to himself, so you gotta give Stafford some
credit for that.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
But at the end of the day, we do.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Judge these quarterbacks by your ability to win and elevate
a team, and quite plain and simple, he wasn't able
to do that.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
And I'm just not here to play the what if game? Yep.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
And let me give you these quick stats, Chris and
eight of Rogers' ten playoff losses, his defense is either
giving up thirty seven points five times, okay, or he
led the game time drive and then never got the
ball back. That happened three times and for contact.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Times in his in his playoff history, yeah, three times.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Where he playoff losses eight of the ten.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Playoff loss eleven and ten in playoffs, yeah yeah, And
they can't be eight of the ten, yeah, eight of
the eight of the ten he gave his.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Defense either gave up thirty seven points. I don't want
to go too far.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
That happened five times, right either, or or he led
the game time drive and never got the ball back.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
That happened three times. And last thing for context, Aaron.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Rodgers defense has given up thirty seven plus points five
of the ten playoff losses. Just for comparison, Tom Brady's
defense Chris has given up thirty seven or more points ready,
just eight times in three hundred and eighty one games.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Just eight times. That's where you could play the what
if there?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Right, But my point, I'm not buying that with Rodgers
because we watched those games. I mean, in the last
they lost to San Francisco thirty seven to twenty, but
they were down twenty seven oh at halftime. I mean, yeah,
the defense was bad, but so was Rogers.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Can you score? You know? So and then he come in.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Second half and you know, his stats ended up looking
okay as they go prevent defense and all that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
And the same thing with Tampa Bay Rob.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
You remember that they were down twenty eight ten early
in the third quarter and then he kind of rallied
to make it respectable. But yeah, those are games where
it looks like, oh, the defense gave up thirty plus points,
but he didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Do anything offensively until it was over.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So I mean, look, his numbers are what they are
in these NFC title games and that's a that's a
mark on his resume. But yeah, I'm sorry, I can't
put Matthew Stafford ahead of him.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
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Speaker 4 (20:55):
Rob We talked earlier about CJ.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Stroud and his interview with Gilly the Kidd and others
on uh A Million dollars worth of Game, and he said.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Some strong stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
He said that Matthew Stafford could have won, would have
won three or four championships, super Bowls had he been
in Green Bay instead of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
And he said as well that he was asked.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Rob who whose career he would rather have, between Eli
Manning and Aaron Rodgers. A lot of Aaron Rodgers theme
stuff that was going on, but here he.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Is, if you had to pick a career to have,
I'm gonna have Aaron Rodgers career or I'm gonna have
Eli Manning's career.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Who career are you taking?
Speaker 7 (21:48):
You want the rings?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
No, you don't want.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Rings? Did Roger?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Did Gilly the Kid agree with him? I mean it
sounded like it, but.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
He's very anti Aaron Rodgers. If you watch any of
that podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Oh wow, but Rob, where are you at on the
whose career would.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
You rather have? Eli Manning's or Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
It's not even close. I take Aaron Rodgers all the way.
It's different if you never won. I always say that,
if you never want, then you could look at it
and say, man Dann Marinos. Some people thought he was gold.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
He never won.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
He went to Super Bowl his second year in his career,
never went back. Okay, I get it. You would want
a chance at winning, Chris to put the icing on
the cake, to cherry on top, whatever you want, especially
the kind of career that uh Dan Marino have.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
That's some more interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
That's an interesting discussion Marino's career or Eli's, because, like
I said, get one.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
And that's what I'm saying. He didn't get one.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
I just when the guys are all pro and all this,
and I just can't really look at that and say,
and you know, I think Eli deserves to be in
the Hall of Fame. I think because he beat the Patriots, oh,
the eighteen and old Patriots, you know, and all those
other things. And I give him credit for the two
(23:19):
big throws he had, but the bodies of work just
a mismatch.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
They just a mismatch. Rob, It's not like you said,
it's not even close. I mean, I'm sorry, and shout
out to Eli because he had two.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Incredible playoff runs and some magical moments, because two big
ones like no if stands or buts about it. But
come on, there is no way I would rather have
beat Eli Man in terms of his career than Aaron Rodgers.
(23:58):
Aaron Rodgers for, oh, have it one super Bowl, and
that's good, but he got the only the one super Bowl.
He's still in the discussion, firmly in the discussion robe
for top five quarterback of all. Yes, he's got four MVPs.
And let's keep it real, all of us. Yes, we
(24:19):
want to win, but we also want to excel individually.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Michael Jordan, there's a couple of stories about him.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
One was he wanted to win, but he wanted to
be the reason they won, right, and and another one
was when text winner one time when Jordan was coming
there was a timeout and Jordan's coming off the court.
I don't know, maybe he took a bunch of shots
or something, and text Winner said Michael, there's no I
in team, and Jordan said, but there's an eye and win, right,
(24:54):
I mean, and Rob, look, I was I told you
I was a role player when I played basketball in
cop and yeah, as a role player, I just want
to win. I wouldn't worry about how many points I
got or whatever because I was your role player.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I was just playing good.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
D want to help the team win, all right. But
when you are a star, like when you got star ability,
you don't want to just go somewhere and average twelve
points a game and win a championship. You want to
win a championship, sure, but you want to be able
(25:30):
to fulfill your individual potential. And so and I think
everybody feels that way. And so I look, Aaron Rodgers.
I talked earlier about, you know, the disappointments in NFC
title games and all that. But the fact is for
MVPs that's second most all time, right to Peyton Manny's
(25:52):
five yep, one of the top five quarterbacks or so ever,
and does have a Super Bowl, you can't say he's
not a winner.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
So it ain't even close. It's not even close.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
I just that's just that's just an agenda there that
maybe that's what they want or whatever. And and it's
fine if you think Eli that you would take that career. Uh,
but even you look at Peyton Manning, Chris the second
one he got?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Was that really, Eli? I mean Peyton Manning the second one.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I mean he made and he gets brig time credit
for that route.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Yeah, you know, I mean, like you're right, one yards.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I mean he just played one despite him. There's no
question about that.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Are you kind of saying now I think Peyton Manning.
I'm not. I'm not saying I'm just saying Rogers. I'm saying,
like I'm talking about this.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Like there's a very small difference between them in terms
of championships.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I would give you that.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, That's what I'm just saying, like, like like there's
one like where you win and you're great and people
look at and go, my god.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And it's another way. If you aren't great, you're at
least you're in your prime.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You're a driving force for the team all year, even
if you had a bad game. But and Manny was
not a driving for us for them all year. He
struggled that year.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
They got benched that year for what was that Brock.
What was that guy's name? Yeah, I know who. You
know what I'm talking about, Chris?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I feel but you're right.
People don't seem to really think about that. When they
think of Payton, they just think of the two super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
But yeah, he really.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Eli's two super Bowls are more impressive, Christen than Peyton's.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well the games, yes, the games he played.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I agree both.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I mean, obviously you rather well, would you Who's whose
career would you rather have between?
Speaker 5 (27:47):
No, I would take Payton Manny with five m vps.
But I'm just saying, if you're just going just.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I mean, it's almost rob almost. It's not apples to
apples necessarily, but it's almost like saying, would you rather
be David Tyree or Calvin Johnson?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And I know Johnson didn't even win a Super Bowl,
but my point is didn't want to play all time great.
He's an all time great receiver. And Tyree, you know,
obviously wasn't MVP of that gain but made this historic
catch in the Super Bowl. I just saw him last
week at breakfast my wife, and did you really Yeah,
he's here in Jersey, he said, you know, we're pretty
(28:30):
good friends.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
The bad part is he walks around with a football
stuck to his helmet.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
You know what I'm saying. But sorry, sorry, y'all.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
That that don't say that on sports rap radio. They're
gonna start calling this sports whack radio.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
So I'll look at you already giving us a bad name.
Not y'all you're gonna put that on a put that
out there. Shoot.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
But no, I mean it's not even and close. And
I've heard people some Rob. I think sometimes sometimes people
almost are unable to have a nuanced discussion because when
we talk about whether it's Jordan Lebron or whether it's
Brady versus whoever, when you bring rings into it, which
(29:24):
is a factor, some people just hear that conversation and
now to them, Rob is just rings. It's nothing else.
It's just ring. We're never saying that. We're saying that
is a legitimate part of the discussion, and it's a
(29:46):
meaningful part of the discussion, an important one, but it's
not the only part. And so I just think this
is a situation where it seems like, I mean, CJ
just even said you want them rings, you want those reasons.
I like that he's got that attitude because I think
he's more talented than Eli, and maybe, you know, maybe
(30:06):
he will he'll be.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
A big winner and put up the individual numbers. That'd
be great.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But I mean, like I said, Rob, the interesting one
is Marino or Eli. That's an interesting conversation.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
No, that that that's one where you would have to
cause Damn Marino was a legendary uh pastor of the
football because way before it became he was watching, he
was winning up today's numbers, back when nobody else was
coming close to that.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I also think Terry Bradshaw or Aaron Rodgers, I think
I go Bradshaw.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
He's got of.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Course the four super Bowl I think he won one MVP.
He was never he was not individually as good as Rogers,
but nobody.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
You know what, Terry Bradshaw doesn't get the love for
for for super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
He just does. I think he does.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
He doesn't know he's not mentioned as like a top
five quarterback because he wasn't what he is viewed as
like this. He is like a legend beyond what his
individual you know, just regardless like takeaway the winning, his
individual performance didn't warrant the love he gets and Obviously
he's gotten a lot of love as a broadcaster.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
He's done a great job with that.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
But I do think he's viewed as like a legend
because of the four and he was great no Super
Bowls a lot like he made some great throws to
Lynn Swann and John Starworth and all that.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
But yeah, that is an interesting one as well.
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