June 5, 2024 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob discuss why Jayson Tatum’s reputation around the NBA doesn’t seem to match up with his stellar resume and tell us if it’s blasphemous to suggest that Paul George should have his jersey retired by both the Los Angeles Clippers and the Indiana Pacers. Plus, NBA champion and FOX Sports Radio NBA analyst Eddie House swings by to preview the NBA Finals between the Boston Celtics and the Dallas Mavericks.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to The Odd Couple podcasts. Be sure
to catch us live every weekday from seven pm to
ten pm Eastern four to seven pm Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio. Find your local station for The Odd Couple
at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every
day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Let's get this, punnies, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It is The Odd Couple. I'm Chris, He's Rob.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We are live from the tirerag dot com studios.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Tirereg dot com will help you get there.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
They've got an unmatched selection, fast, free shipping, free road
hazard protection, and more than ten thousand recommend to installers.
Tirereg dot com is the way tirebind should be in
this right here, The Odd Couple is the way sports
talk radio should be.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
So keep it locked here. We got Eddie House at
the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You know he's gonna talk up his Celtics, who he
won a championship with back in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So we'll have a good time speaking.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
With Eddie House, all right, Rob, Speaking of the Boston Celtics,
their top player, Jason Tatum. I think there's a ton
on the line. For Jason Tatum, Rob, I think if.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
He wins, he will never have.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
To again answer the question of or at least even
have it talked about him in the disregard of can
he be the best player on a championship team? Because
he will live won a championship and he's only twenty six, Rob,
and he would if he wins the championship at twenty six,
(01:51):
he will have done so in terms of age winning
a title. Before Lebron, before Joe Jordan, before Elijah Wan,
before Shaq, only a handful of stars have won at
a younger age than what Jason Tatum would be.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
You know, Larry Bird won it at twenty four.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
That team did have some older Hall of famers on it,
Tiny Archibald, you know, and then Kevin Mchaleen.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Rob was Magic.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
They were young.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Magic was twenty, but I mean he was he went
to a team with the MVP, right, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
As far as being the best player, yeah, Magic was
twenty and Kobe was twenty one.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And obviously he had Shack, so they were younger.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But as far as kind of like leading your team,
being that guy, this would be a huge accomplishment for
Jason Tatum and silence a lot of doubters about him.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Also, I think Rob like this year, he did not
finish in the top five MVP, you know, recipient voter
vote recipients.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I voted for him.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I had him fourth on my ballot, but he didn't
finish top five overall.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Even though his team had the best record in the league.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
It says a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It says a lot, right, I Mean, we weren't saying
he had to win it, but he wasn't even in
the top five.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
No, that that says a lot. To have that kind
of a record, Chris uh not not get any kind
of support, but we know his uh his crunch time,
prime time. You know, stats are not good, right, and
that's a big issue, and that hurts and obviously those
(03:38):
I think those are the things that make people leary
and we've seen them things not work out for his team.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well, I was gonna ask you that because to add
insult to injury. Rob Josh Hart who plays for the
Knicks and it had a great series or great playoff
run this year. He was on podcast last week talking
about who was who were the most impactful players on
(04:07):
the Celtics, and here's what.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
He said, the top five. Then that's left.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You got Tatum, Tatum, now Kyrie and Edwards and Luca.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I love An and Luca Kyrie. I'm telling your Luka
Kyrie up there.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
But I might put over just like impactful, I might
put Derrick White more impactful than j t. Look at
every main play in the last six minutes of the
fourth overtime, every big play he made. He's probably one
of the most impactful players because he does this everything
on the court and does everything at a very high level.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
There you go, when I responded, Yeah, but that's what
I was talking about, And that's those are the crunch
time numbers that everybody knows. Even in the game that
they won against the Pacers, Chris, if you remember, he
had a bad fourth quarter. He had a bad fourth
quarter and huge overtime. But if it wasn't for that
Jalen Brown three pointer, Chris, that that might not even
(05:13):
happen because he had a bad fourth quarter. And and
I think that's why people discount Jason Tatum despite all
the numbers and everything and the wins and what his
team has been able to do.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Do you think it's justified, like it's fair. I do,
and he do think that there's.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
A degree, yeah, because he's had those moments and situations
and sometimes, Chris, we talk about all the time, it
doesn't you can't. You don't do it until you do it,
Like like there's a moment where you make that big
shot and you win that big game of that championship.
We heard it, and Jason Tatum shouldn't feel bad. Michael
Jordan's a great player, but he don't make nobody better.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
They don't win. Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
We Chris, anybody who thinks that a Michael Jordan was
day one and everybody thought he was to catch me
out and the new hotness and all that.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
You weren't around, right, I mean, he was criticized.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
He was wildly popular because the sneakers took off.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
They had to come Fway videos and you know all that.
But you're right right.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
The gate keep, I would say, the gatekeepers of the game,
the writers, the media, the people that you know for
the opinions. They were like, yo, it'd be nice if
he win a little bit, you know. I mean, y'all
talk about Michael Jordan, were talking about magic and Larry
(06:40):
even Isaiah and so this is not unique to Jason Tatum,
but I do think rob it is a little bit overboard.
This guy is twenty six years old, been to five
Eastern Conference Finals as the best player, and been a
(07:04):
three time All NBA player.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Now he's playing in his second NBA Finals.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
And again, he didn't go to a team with a
great big man or a superstar front court player that
he could follow and learn from.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
He's been the guy now.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Kyrie obviously was the best player on the team for
a little while, but Kyrie wasn't there but two years,
and Jason Tatums kind of had to lead this.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Team as a young guy who might not be ready
to lead.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And he's had them, you know, deep in the playoffs
every single year pretty much. And Rob last, and I've
said this before, but it bears repeating. Last series, Jason
Tatum did what Larry Bird, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, John Havlchak,
(07:57):
Kevin McHale, Bill Russell. He did what in't Sam Jones,
none of them did, which was average thirty ten and
five assists or more. He actually averaged six in an
Eastern Conference final. And yet he still is kind of
(08:19):
viewed as in I'm not sure, Rob, I think and
you the point you made are legit, you know, clutch
play or lack thereof and all that.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But I'm gonna throw a little theory at you. I
think some of.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It is that we've seen kind of players similar to
Jason Tatum before who are actually better. He's not exactly
like these guys, but you know, the swingman, the six
six to six eight swingman, nice handle, go off the dribble,
(08:55):
can shoot.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
That was Michael and Kobe, but they were better.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Like we've seen versions of Jason Tatum and actually superior versions.
Look at the guys that get most of the shine
right now, they're unique.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Luca threatens to average a triple double every year.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Jokic the first ever point center in NBA history. Jannis
a seven foot super freak athlete.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
We've seen, you know, spectacular players like him before, but
still when they're spectacular like that, it don't matter.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
If you've seen him before. This dude's just jumping off
a trampoline when he dunks over people.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And so I think that also robbed because Anthony Edwards
and that get it. He's a lot younger he hasn't
accomplished nearly as much as Jason Tatum, you know, so
I just think some of that also rib plays into
it as to why Tatum really doesn't, to me get
the respect he kind of deserves.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, I think that. I think you're right, and I
think that no one is going to Chris officially push
him over the threshold until he's able to win, no doubt,
and until he's able to win in a big spot
and and and make some big shots and people will say, man,
(10:28):
he finally crossed over and he's that guy. But we
talked about it. You could get that rep until you
you know, until you do it. So it's it's is
he a great player, yes, but he's always going to
be a notch below because now if he had strong
numbers and crunch time Chris and they still didn't win,
people will look at him differently. It's because he's feelings
(10:51):
are fact. I'm just saying crunch time numbers. Yeah, I
think that hurts that you could point to that and
say these numbers aren't good. But when it matters, he
has bad for it.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And he's had some huge games.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You know, remember when was a Game six against Milwaukee,
he had forty six something like that.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
You know, they went back, they went.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
To Milwaukee a few years ago and we're down three
two and he was phenomenal forty something points.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Like he's he has had. It's somewhat robbing.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I don't want to put him in this class because
that wouldn't be fair because obviously we've seen, like Harden's
resume is written right, Tatum's still building his, So I
don't want to put him on the hardened level. But
it's kind of like that Robin that he's had huge,
big games, but then he's had some really poor performances
(11:47):
in big games too, or at crunch time moments, and
so you know that that's some of it too. But
you're right, I mean he he won't get out of
this until wins. And look, you said it about Jordan,
Rob Dirk. We talked about Dirk earlier. But you remember
Rob when they won they had Miami beat No.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Six.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
They wrote there they were darned near up three to zero,
because I remember they were up thirteen with like six
minutes left or something like that. I was covering that serial.
You were too, I think recovering that sill. Yeah, and
remember game three Gary Payton helped, you know, Miami come
back with a nice run and they won Game three
(12:31):
and then they won the rest of the series. They
won in six and then Rob Dirk was eliminated in
the first round of the playoffs three of the next
four years. One of them, as you remember his MVP year,
which was the crazy embarrassment when they lost to the
eight seeded Golden State Warriors. And so Dirk when he
(12:52):
got to those finals in twenty eleven against Miami, I mean,
it was he was kind of view like that, like
this dude, and get over the hump. This dude's not
gonna get it done. And obviously he changed that. And
so that's what Jason Tatum can do. And look, it's
a compliment to him, right, I mean, when people expect
a lot from you and hold you accountable and criticize
(13:14):
you when you fall short, that says that they respect
your game and that they expect a lot from you.
But he does have an opportunity and if they lose Rob,
he it's gonna be interesting what happens in Boston.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I don't know if they run it back.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I probably, but they might, you know, they might listen
to offers for for Jalen Brown or maybe even Jason Tatum, who.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Knows, but yeah, they might do something. Chris, Yeah, because
you look at it and say, maybe it's not gonna
happen for us.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Right right, all right?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Jason Tatum, I don't think he gets the respect he deserves.
Rob thinks it's appropriate, he gets an appropriate level of
respect and criticism. What are your thoughts on him? And
what do you think he's gonna do this series? Is
he gonna get it done? And man, what would a
championship do for him going forward? Your thoughts next? Chris
(14:08):
and Rob the I couple Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to
listen live.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Hi, this is Jay Glazer.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
And you may know me for the world of football
or fighting or even shows like HBO's Bawlers. Who you
don't know is for my entire life, I have lived
in something I refer to as the gray depression anxiety.
So now I'm coming out with a new podcast, Unbreakable,
a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer where each week,
while we talk.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
About mental health. I hope to describe it, give it words.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Listen to Unbreakable with Jay Glazer on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
All right, it is the I Couple Chris Brussard and
Rob Parker live from the tie rack dot com studios.
Thoroughbrad Raising has a new independent regulators called HEISA, and
heis is implementing comprehensive reforms, and the sport it self
is combining hands on care with cutting edge technology to
help keep its athletes safe. To learn more, visit Safety
(15:19):
runs First dot com. That is Safety Runs First dot Com.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Guess who texted me during the break? You want to
check us?
Speaker 7 (15:31):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Who's that?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
The Great Lenny Wilkins.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Oh what he's saying?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
What we say wrong? He was like, Hey, don't forget
about little old Lenny.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Championship as a player and coach, well as a coach
as a coach, And that's what I said. I said, Hey,
we didn't forget about you, but we were talking about guys
that won championships as players and coaches and.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
The top fifty player of all time Lenny.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Lenny is in that argument for the great this player
to win the championship as as coach. Take Bill Russell
out obviously, like we said, he wanted as a player coach,
and yeah, Lenny right now, Lenny would be the guy,
the greatest coach player to win the championship. And we're
gonna get him more into Let's get him more in
the finals hanging around.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yeah, yeah, thanks Couples.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know, yes, shout out to Lenny. You never remember.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
One of the first NBA game I don't even Lenny
probably doesn't even remember this, but one of the first
NBA games I ever covered.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
It was in Cleveland. I was not the beat writer.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I was just like a high school ride bar and
they let me go and do a sidebar and Lenny
was great. He gave me like a little one on one.
It was just about the game. It wasn't like a
feature or anything. But I didn't really know what I
was doing, where to go, where to get the interviews,
and uh, he gave me like a one on one
kind of outside of his office or something like that,
(16:55):
and it was real nice to me.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
And so he.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Saw you a great guy. Right.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
The kid don't know what he's doing. His pants are
probably wet. He doesn't know what good job a right?
Speaker 7 (17:08):
All right?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
All right?
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox your thoughts on
Jason Tatum and why he doesn't get the love he should.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
All right, Tim and Queens, you're on the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Tim?
Speaker 7 (17:25):
What's up y'all?
Speaker 8 (17:26):
How y'all doing today?
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Man?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Doing great?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
How are you right?
Speaker 7 (17:30):
I'm good? I'm good.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
So I just want to say I agree with you, Chris.
I think they overblow all this Jason.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Tatum hate stuff.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
Every time I'm watching TV, they always slamming him. It's
just like he's he's twenty six, all of those, all
the examples you brought up, all the other young people
who won championships at that age he had like a
little mentor or they had like a significant somebody who
was older that was could you know, take the pressure
off them and cut situations, things of that nature. And
(18:00):
then people have this narrative that he's not clutched. But
remember what happened. I think it was against Philly when
he was like one for fourteen or something like that,
and then in the fourth quarter he hit like three threes.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
In a row.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
To push the game or something like or whatever the
case may be. And also everybody always took about, oh, Luca,
Luca leading the leading the playoffs in points, rebounds, assist,
whatever the case may be. Nobody talk about how Tatum
is leading his team in points, rebounds and assists and
things like that. It's always something negative about, some negative connotation.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
I feel like.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
He was a young guy. Yep, he a young He
a young guy. You know, get him some time, Like
I remember when Kobe was missing three threes and all
that stuff.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
Ye, playoffs and all that.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I remember I watched that. I remember watching that vividly.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah, and uh yeah, there's no Tatum against Brooklyn
and the playoffs fifty points, forty points. You know, he's
had some huge games that I would saying, like I said,
Game six against Milwaukee in Milwaukee Backs against the Wall,
he hit forty six.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
So he has had his moments. That was a good call.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Yeah, no doubt. Thanks, Jim appreciated. Let's go to Jabbari
in Michigan. You're on they couple of Fox sportuiting. What's up, Jabari?
Speaker 9 (19:22):
Hey, how's it going guys?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
How y'all doing doing great? How are you?
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Yeah? So so I'm.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
So glad that I got a chance to get this opportunity.
But yeah, I've been watching Jason Tatum since he got started,
especially times when he was a duke, and I do
believe that as time was going on, he definitely got
the criticism. To me, it's like, it's kind of weird
because I feel like that for his for his age,
when he was even before his prime, I feel like
that he was getting the Lebron James treatment. But it
(19:47):
was like people still say, but he's.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Not that guy. He's not just in that.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
I'm like that, why y'all, Why y'all criticized him like
he's Lebron James, Like I never understaid that. But Jason Tanner,
I just want to say this about him.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
In the playoffs, he has when he was a rookie.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
He had the second most playoff on because a rookie
he was he was one point behind uh Krem to
the bar. And when he was a rookie, he has
the fifth most fifty point fifty point games in the playoffs.
He also is the fifth player NBA history to to
lead his team to the NBA Finals while leading a
team in points, rebound in the fifth, the fifth NBA
history and we and we the same that that's just
(20:19):
that's just there. And also at the end of twenty
six only three players have more playoff wins than he does,
Tony Parker, Cody uh, Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
And Matti Johnson.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
And we all know who they had earlier in the year.
So I feel like the me uh in the career,
I feel like that we still have to get.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
The same time. Now.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Now he's in a fine right now, so it's.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Champions they lose here, would you have that same feeling
but today game if they lose in this situation.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
Uh, as far as far as I think that he's what.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
No, just how would you feel about him? Like you
would still be that strong like waving the flag?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Would be young.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Young?
Speaker 9 (20:55):
I mean, I mean he he should, I mean he should.
I would definitely criticiz I would be to me because
I because I would saying I do have the boss
Boston Celtics winning them.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
That's by the way, they're the favorites.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
They're the favorite.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
So if they don't, I would be.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
I would I would, I would, I would.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
I would still feel like that he still has more time.
But I believe that he definitely deserves a criticism if you.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Lose this year.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Okay, let's yeah, thank.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You, Okay, good call. It's the odd couple. Chris and
Rob live from the Tiereck dot Com studios. Eddie House
around the corner.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
But first, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at
Foxsports Radio dot Com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search
fs R to listen live.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
NBC Sports Boston.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Color Commentator, Fox Sports Radio, NBA Analysts our man, Eddie House,
e House.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
What's up, gentlemen, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
How are you weird? Good man?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I know you are excited. I know you got your
Celtics row. I'm just gonna start it off and it's
kind of putting you on the spot, but you know,
you gotta be honest. You may have seen there was
a story in the Boston Globe a couple days ago
saying that if these Celtics won the championship, they would
(22:20):
be an all time great team.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I disagree, are and.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I actually think that your eight Celtics were better than
this team with Kevin Gardinett, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 7 (22:37):
Well, if you go statistically, they would be an all
time team. You know, the way they shot the three,
the way they scored, the defense, the way they did
You can't take that away from what they've done in
this era of basketball. As far as comparing them to
our eight team, I feel like that's not fair to
do until they win it, because we won a championship.
(23:00):
If they win a championship, then okay, we can have
that discussion. And you already know where I'm gonna fall
with that. And and no slight to the guys that
are on this team right now that can play. But
I'm ride with my guys before I'll ride with anybody else.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
So y'all were a great team. I mean, y'all had
some trouble in the playoffs. I don't know why, but
y'all were a great team.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
We we didn't have no, we didn't have no trouble.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Y'all went seven with Land in the first round.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Man, we was but we was in control of that though,
you know what I mean, we gl of that.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I was just line.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
It didn't look like that against the Halts. I remember that.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
Hey, at one point, did y'all ever think we was
gonna lose that series.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I ain't think you're gonna lose. But still, y'all remember
Game seven. But come on, man, control is four or five?
And then who y'all play in the second round?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Was it Cleveland?
Speaker 7 (23:55):
Yeah? With Cleveland. We went seven with Cleveland, and I uh,
the Jugger, not the Detroit who had a championship, the
Detroit Pitstons who went five straight conference we have? Yeah,
come on, I.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Got better as y'all went on, no doubt.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
Oh and what about the big bad Lakers in the finals. Oh,
we was down too. We had a damn in six.
Come on, man, we was in control of that the
whole time. You know, we played with our food a
little bit. That's all.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
It was a right where you I got the Celtics
winning this. They're the favorites, I think, rightfully. So I
think it's there for them, I really do. And I
like the Luca and Kyrie, But I just think this
Celtics team. People don't like the way they look some
of the games, and they don't always dominate or whatever.
(24:42):
But good teams that he win, uh, And that's it.
It's not about style. Points twelve and two in the postseason,
six and zero on the road sixty four wins during
the season. Why am I? Am I crazy to think
that they can't win the championship.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
No, the people that think that they can't. That's crazy
to me is that, you know, you have to believe
what you believe. It's like last year with Denver, right,
Denver was the best team all year last year and
everybody was like, well, can they beat this? Are they
going to be able to do this? And no, you
gotta believe what you see. You gotta believe with your
own eyes these numbers. You know what I'm gonna say it,
(25:18):
The nerds have and I don't got no problem with
the I got no problem, but you know what I'm saying,
but they distort the game. They put throw these numbers
out here. Well, well, in the last two weeks, there's
nobody that shot the ball better than this person. But
they're like, you give a damn about the last two weeks.
Let's talk about what has happened, you know what I mean? So, okay,
(25:38):
so I'll say that I digress, but I'll say that
to say this, I believe it's five or six games
the Celtics because there ain't nowhere to run and hide
Luca and Kyrie. You had the opportunity to run and hide.
Every single playoff series. You had to deal with just
one guy, maybe two guys, and if that second guy
didn't show up, you wasn't guarding them anyway, Anthony Edwards,
(26:02):
they didn't have to guard him. They could put somebody
else on him. They're gonna have to guard everybody on
this team. We got five guys that could crack you
off the dribble, that can make plays for yourself, make
plays for others. And I don't know if they have
besides Tyrie and Luca, the guys that can.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Do that, right, they don't have five.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
They don't and we do have five, and we have
five guys that can defend. So to me, when I
started looking, that's why I say five or six. And
I respectfully that's respectfully given Luca and Kyrie a game
where you know, it was just one of them days,
you know what I mean? That they're they're stars and
they're gonna show up like that before a totality of
a seven game series. I don't see it. I don't
(26:45):
see a way that that Dallas could get it. But
you know, it's not playing on paper. It's played between
them lines.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
I got Dallas in six, and I think a key.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You crazy, right, y'a lucky y'all got out of Indianapolis.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
Man in New York Now I know it's legal in
New York. Are you drinking? Which one are you?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think a big key because Luca's gonna get his
y'all might make him an efficient or maybe he'll be
efficient whatever, but he's gonna get his points. I think
a big key. Eddie is Kyrie and y'all have done
a good job. I know it's a different team this year,
but you know this team has done a good job
defending Kyrie since he's left Boston.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
You know, remember when he was in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
They pretty much shut him down those last three games
that I sweep with Durant. If they can keep if
they can you know, keep him from kind of being Kyrie,
so to speak, then I think it will be tough
on Dallas.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
How do you think that will go?
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Like?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Do you think that that is kind of a key?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
And do you think they I know they got a
bunch of great defenders, so you think Kyrie will get
his or they'll they'll pretty much make him struggle.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
I was looking at something earlier. I think they said
that Luca is like we're doing a show earlier of
finals pre preview, and they said Luca game one to
get thirty one and Kyrie to get twenty five or
something like that, or twenty four, twenty three somewhere around there,
and so like even around fifty five points between them two. Now,
(28:19):
so if that's the case, they hit that mark, right,
do you fifty five points only? Do you think that
the other team is capable of collectively bringing sixty points
collectively the.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, well, I think those two I think what makes
them so dangerous as they're not just scores.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
They're both phenomenal passers as well. And I think they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Get gafferck and some dunk and Lively and the key
to if PJ. Washington continues to shoot the three like
he has, that's gonna be big.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
Okay, I hear all that, right, But my thing is
if you watch those games I've watched. I watched. I
watched every playoff game, Okay, and not only just the selfius,
I'm talking about every playoff game, And so those shots
that those guys are getting, yeah, they are created by Kyrie,
and they're created by Luca, but it's also created by overhelp. Now,
if you are able to say I'm gonna guard my
(29:15):
yard in at the end of the day, if Luca
gets a bucket on a tough shot, cool, you live
with that.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Single cover.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
I wouldn't. I would never double them. I would never
give these guys any they killed.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Minnesota was the top defense in the league, not y'all.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
But let me tell you the different things.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And they kill Edwards and McDaniels, who are good defenders.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Let me tell you the difference between those two guys
right between that team that team right there, they couldn't
go back at them on the other end. So part
of your defense is also your offense. I think we're
a better offensive team than Minnesota. We have more weapons,
so they can't hide. So that's number one. So you
could wear them down, putting them in a multiple pick
and rolls. You could put them in situations where they're
(29:59):
gonna have to our post stuffs at times if they
want to switch. So I just look at the way
the game plan was unfolding. Right when you look at
what Minnesota, how they were guard and they was running
that drop coverage then they try to bring Rudy up
a little higher. What did Jason Kidd do? Great adjustments?
He said, Hey, we're gonna run this pick and roll
damn there at half court. So now Rudy can't switch
because they don't want to switch. He really can't be
(30:21):
in a drop and he really can't come up too high. Well,
we have guys that we could switch. And what I
would do, this is just me. I would just push up.
And if you want to make a logo three, take
ten of those things. I promise to take ten of
those things. If you make seven out of ten of
those logo threes, I'll tip my capsule you and say
great jobs. But what I'm not gonna do. I'm not
gonna let PJ. Washington catch the ball in the corner
(30:42):
and get wide open shots and get confidence. I'm not
letting Dereck Jones Jr. Catch wide open shots and get confidence.
And I'm not gonna even overreact on the pick and
roll situations. I'm gonna have Hey guard our yard and
if I get beat Hey, man and I'm gonna go
back to the drawing board and look at something and say, okay,
against Luca one on one, this guy was not good
matchup for us, so he might have to you know
(31:04):
what i'ming we might have to make some adjustments with that, Eddie.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
What do you expect him from, poor Zingis?
Speaker 7 (31:10):
I expect him to be him? I mean, he's been
off for forty days. Okay, it's not like he's just
been sitting on the couch for forty days. He's been
rapping up. He's been getting ready, and they not going
to have him out there if he's not ready to go.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Did you hear him yesterday? He sounded a little.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
Like somebody that he gased like.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You know.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
So what I'm trying to say is this. What I'm
saying is this in forty days, if you're not right,
you don't know what you're like until you get out there. Now,
they did all the scrimmages and everything like that to
make it a simulation of a game, to make it,
you know, but once you get into the game situation tomorrow,
we'll find out if he responds, if he doesn't respond,
if he's one hundred percent or not, because you don't
(31:48):
know until you know, you know what I mean, you
don't know it feels good. It's like the calf the groin,
the hip flexer and the hamstring. Those are tricky injuries.
Like you might feel good and then one movement the
wrong way and you're right back to square one of
where man, I got to take another you know, two
weeks off.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
All right?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
That is our man, Eddie House, A very confident Eddie House.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I'm just gonna chill next week after gay folks.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
You know what's crazy? Christy? You ask me my opinion,
I give it to you now. I'm over your overconfident.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You're very confident. I like that.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
I like you. What what else I'm supposed to be?
I know what I see, I.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Know what I'm all right, all right, we will see what.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
You know what? Hey, listen real quick. I'm sorry. I
know what it is. It's a lot of Celtic hate
out there. Man. I know Rob g got it. Rob,
he got it for sure. You you got it too.
Deep down.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
People think that they just don't like.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
No.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
First off, it's not people think that if you continuously
put certain things out there, you'd be like, oh, okay,
I'm starting to pick up what you're putting down, and
I'll see what you're putting down. But I ain't picking
it up because.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
All right, we will see when this one one and
we talked next Wednesday, we will see, we will see.
All right, that's our man Andie house keeping locked. It's
the Eye Couple because of Rob. Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio
dot Com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to
listen live.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
All right, it's the Eye Couple.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Chris and Rob live from the Tiereck dot Com studios.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Rob Paul George.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Uh, you know all these players got their own podcast
nowadays and they talking and so uh, here's what Paul
George said about potentially having his number retired in a
few places.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
Here is I hope I paved the way or if I,
you know, did enough to kind of inspire uplift that
era of the time that I was there, you know,
whether it's in Indiana, whether it was in LA. I
don't think my stint was long enough in Oklahoma, but
you know, hopefully in those two other places.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Indiana, make sure I'm being sports.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
Might be the first player to get.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I see you rolling your eyes. You don't you don't
think you should get his number?
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Paul George the goat to some of today's like, okay,
it's never retired in uh Indiana and l A Clippers.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I just my standard is just way higher than most people.
It's become anybody who's decent gets their number of retired.
I don't think you retire numbers like that. You have,
to me, you have to really have a huge impact
or win championships to go with it. And everybody who
wins the championship doesn't get their number retired. I just
(34:52):
don't think. I don't think it's like that, and I
don't what about I'm sorry, I just I don't. I
just don't see anything that would make me want to
think that Paul George would have his number retired anywhere.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Anywhere.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Wow, I think he should get his retired.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
His number retired in both of those places, the Clippers
and the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
And here's why. It depends on the organization robe.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I mean, sure, for the Lakers, you better win some rings,
you know. For the Celtics, you better win some rings
or at least one, but every franchise. Heck, the Pacers
have never won an NBA championship, and so they got her.
I mean I think they should retire some numbers. Reggie
(35:38):
Miller has his number retired, obviously got to a finals.
I would say this, Rob, and I'm talking about NBA,
not ABA, because they got they won an ABA championship
in George McGinnis, Mel Daniels and Roger Brown have their
numbers retired. But the only NBA player or you know,
pure NBA player with the Pacers was Reggie Miller. I
(36:01):
think it's gonna this might sound crazy to you, ride,
but once you think.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
About it, I think you'd be like, you know what,
I think.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Paul George is the second best pacers player ever n
B A.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I mean, think about it.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I don't think that that gets you your number of
your jersey.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
And he was great there.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I just don't Chris, he could be great to have.
You know, I'm different, Like I say, I tell you
every time we do Hall of Fame stuff, and you
got people have ten votes, and I see guys fill
out their ballots and I see their back and they
check every they got ten votes. They vote for ten people.
I don't believe in that. And and and value with
(36:47):
you on my ballot is like because people go, well,
they give you ten votes, why won't you use them
because there aren't ten Hall of Famers on your ballot,
you know, like, like that makes no sense to me
to just give somebody a vote when they.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I agree with that, but I just think again, I
think it's based on the France.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
You would be surprised at.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Some of the players on some of these more you know,
more BUN franchises.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Who have their jerseys retired.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
The Clippers obviously have never won a championship and the
furthest they got conference finals. Guess who was on the
team in the leading score Paul George. I mean Kawhi
was leading scorer that year, barely over George. But of
course Kawhi got hurt in the playoffs. George helped lead
them or led them to the conference finals. Like if
they I mean, maybe you unless they just don't retire
(37:38):
anybody's number.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
If they retired numbers.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Then then definitely Paul George should be one of the Clippers.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Yeah, I just I think the threshold should be higher.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I really, do you think they just shouldn't have retired numbers?
Speaker 4 (37:54):
No, no, I mean Clippers, but Reggie Miller, you said,
got that got to the finals? Well, and Clippers.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Don't they don't have any retired numbers.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Yeah, and rightfully, so that's good. They should They shouldn't
because it just it defeats.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
The person they might never win.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Look, I get it, because you know, it's not like
you have to retire numbers.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
You don't have to retire numbers Patrick Beverley because he
played hard.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
No, but come on, Paul George ain't Patrick Beverly. No,
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I'm just saying in general, like.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Because George was pretty Look, he is a great player.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
He's not like upper echel line all time great.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
When I think of Paul George's term time if he
leaves and after this year, I mean with the Clippers
are just clippers. I would feel like it was fun.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It was disappointing, but they but they got as far
further than they ever have.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I get it, but I still would he took him further.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Than Chris Paul Blake Griffin, you know, and the Pacers.
They gave the Heatles all they wanted.
Thanks for listening to The Odd Couple podcasts. Be sure
to catch us live every weekday from seven pm to
ten pm Eastern four to seven pm Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio. Find your local station for The Odd Couple
at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every
day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Let's get this, punnies, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It is The Odd Couple. I'm Chris, He's Rob.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We are live from the tirerag dot com studios.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Tirereg dot com will help you get there.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
They've got an unmatched selection, fast, free shipping, free road
hazard protection, and more than ten thousand recommend to installers.
Tirereg dot com is the way tirebind should be in
this right here, The Odd Couple is the way sports
talk radio should be.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
So keep it locked here. We got Eddie House at
the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You know he's gonna talk up his Celtics, who he
won a championship with back in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So we'll have a good time speaking.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
With Eddie House, all right, Rob, Speaking of the Boston Celtics,
their top player, Jason Tatum. I think there's a ton
on the line. For Jason Tatum, Rob, I think if.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
He wins, he will never have.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
To again answer the question of or at least even
have it talked about him in the disregard of can
he be the best player on a championship team? Because
he will live won a championship and he's only twenty six, Rob,
and he would if he wins the championship at twenty six,
(01:51):
he will have done so in terms of age winning
a title. Before Lebron, before Joe Jordan, before Elijah Wan,
before Shaq, only a handful of stars have won at
a younger age than what Jason Tatum would be.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
You know, Larry Bird won it at twenty four.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
That team did have some older Hall of famers on it,
Tiny Archibald, you know, and then Kevin Mchaleen.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Rob was Magic.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
They were young.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Magic was twenty, but I mean he was he went
to a team with the MVP, right, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
As far as being the best player, yeah, Magic was
twenty and Kobe was twenty one.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And obviously he had Shack, so they were younger.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But as far as kind of like leading your team,
being that guy, this would be a huge accomplishment for
Jason Tatum and silence a lot of doubters about him.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Also, I think Rob like this year, he did not
finish in the top five MVP, you know, recipient voter
vote recipients.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I voted for him.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I had him fourth on my ballot, but he didn't
finish top five overall.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Even though his team had the best record in the league.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
It says a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It says a lot, right, I Mean, we weren't saying
he had to win it, but he wasn't even in
the top five.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
No, that that says a lot. To have that kind
of a record, Chris uh not not get any kind
of support, but we know his uh his crunch time,
prime time. You know, stats are not good, right, and
that's a big issue, and that hurts and obviously those
(03:38):
I think those are the things that make people leary
and we've seen them things not work out for his team.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well, I was gonna ask you that because to add
insult to injury. Rob Josh Hart who plays for the
Knicks and it had a great series or great playoff
run this year. He was on podcast last week talking
about who was who were the most impactful players on
(04:07):
the Celtics, and here's what.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
He said, the top five. Then that's left.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You got Tatum, Tatum, now Kyrie and Edwards and Luca.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I love An and Luca Kyrie. I'm telling your Luka
Kyrie up there.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
But I might put over just like impactful, I might
put Derrick White more impactful than j t. Look at
every main play in the last six minutes of the
fourth overtime, every big play he made. He's probably one
of the most impactful players because he does this everything
on the court and does everything at a very high level.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
There you go, when I responded, Yeah, but that's what
I was talking about, And that's those are the crunch
time numbers that everybody knows. Even in the game that
they won against the Pacers, Chris, if you remember, he
had a bad fourth quarter. He had a bad fourth
quarter and huge overtime. But if it wasn't for that
Jalen Brown three pointer, Chris, that that might not even
(05:13):
happen because he had a bad fourth quarter. And and
I think that's why people discount Jason Tatum despite all
the numbers and everything and the wins and what his
team has been able to do.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Do you think it's justified, like it's fair. I do,
and he do think that there's.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
A degree, yeah, because he's had those moments and situations
and sometimes, Chris, we talk about all the time, it
doesn't you can't. You don't do it until you do it,
Like like there's a moment where you make that big
shot and you win that big game of that championship.
We heard it, and Jason Tatum shouldn't feel bad. Michael
Jordan's a great player, but he don't make nobody better.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
They don't win. Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
We Chris, anybody who thinks that a Michael Jordan was
day one and everybody thought he was to catch me
out and the new hotness and all that.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
You weren't around, right, I mean, he was criticized.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
He was wildly popular because the sneakers took off.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
They had to come Fway videos and you know all that.
But you're right right.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
The gate keep, I would say, the gatekeepers of the game,
the writers, the media, the people that you know for
the opinions. They were like, yo, it'd be nice if
he win a little bit, you know. I mean, y'all
talk about Michael Jordan, were talking about magic and Larry
(06:40):
even Isaiah and so this is not unique to Jason Tatum,
but I do think rob it is a little bit overboard.
This guy is twenty six years old, been to five
Eastern Conference Finals as the best player, and been a
(07:04):
three time All NBA player.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Now he's playing in his second NBA Finals.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
And again, he didn't go to a team with a
great big man or a superstar front court player that
he could follow and learn from.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
He's been the guy now.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Kyrie obviously was the best player on the team for
a little while, but Kyrie wasn't there but two years,
and Jason Tatums kind of had to lead this.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Team as a young guy who might not be ready
to lead.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And he's had them, you know, deep in the playoffs
every single year pretty much. And Rob last, and I've
said this before, but it bears repeating. Last series, Jason
Tatum did what Larry Bird, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, John Havlchak,
(07:57):
Kevin McHale, Bill Russell. He did what in't Sam Jones,
none of them did, which was average thirty ten and
five assists or more. He actually averaged six in an
Eastern Conference final. And yet he still is kind of
(08:19):
viewed as in I'm not sure, Rob, I think and
you the point you made are legit, you know, clutch
play or lack thereof and all that.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But I'm gonna throw a little theory at you. I
think some of.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It is that we've seen kind of players similar to
Jason Tatum before who are actually better. He's not exactly
like these guys, but you know, the swingman, the six
six to six eight swingman, nice handle, go off the dribble,
(08:55):
can shoot.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
That was Michael and Kobe, but they were better.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Like we've seen versions of Jason Tatum and actually superior versions.
Look at the guys that get most of the shine
right now, they're unique.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Luca threatens to average a triple double every year.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Jokic the first ever point center in NBA history. Jannis
a seven foot super freak athlete.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
We've seen, you know, spectacular players like him before, but
still when they're spectacular like that, it don't matter.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
If you've seen him before. This dude's just jumping off
a trampoline when he dunks over people.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And so I think that also robbed because Anthony Edwards
and that get it. He's a lot younger he hasn't
accomplished nearly as much as Jason Tatum, you know, so
I just think some of that also rib plays into
it as to why Tatum really doesn't, to me get
the respect he kind of deserves.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, I think that. I think you're right, and I
think that no one is going to Chris officially push
him over the threshold until he's able to win, no doubt,
and until he's able to win in a big spot
and and and make some big shots and people will say, man,
(10:28):
he finally crossed over and he's that guy. But we
talked about it. You could get that rep until you
you know, until you do it. So it's it's is
he a great player, yes, but he's always going to
be a notch below because now if he had strong
numbers and crunch time Chris and they still didn't win,
people will look at him differently. It's because he's feelings
(10:51):
are fact. I'm just saying crunch time numbers. Yeah, I
think that hurts that you could point to that and
say these numbers aren't good. But when it matters, he
has bad for it.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And he's had some huge games.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You know, remember when was a Game six against Milwaukee,
he had forty six something like that.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
You know, they went back, they went.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
To Milwaukee a few years ago and we're down three
two and he was phenomenal forty something points.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Like he's he has had. It's somewhat robbing.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I don't want to put him in this class because
that wouldn't be fair because obviously we've seen, like Harden's
resume is written right, Tatum's still building his, So I
don't want to put him on the hardened level. But
it's kind of like that Robin that he's had huge,
big games, but then he's had some really poor performances
(11:47):
in big games too, or at crunch time moments, and
so you know that that's some of it too. But
you're right, I mean he he won't get out of
this until wins. And look, you said it about Jordan,
Rob Dirk. We talked about Dirk earlier. But you remember
Rob when they won they had Miami beat No.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Six.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
They wrote there they were darned near up three to zero,
because I remember they were up thirteen with like six
minutes left or something like that. I was covering that serial.
You were too, I think recovering that sill. Yeah, and
remember game three Gary Payton helped, you know, Miami come
back with a nice run and they won Game three
(12:31):
and then they won the rest of the series. They
won in six and then Rob Dirk was eliminated in
the first round of the playoffs three of the next
four years. One of them, as you remember his MVP year,
which was the crazy embarrassment when they lost to the
eight seeded Golden State Warriors. And so Dirk when he
(12:52):
got to those finals in twenty eleven against Miami, I mean,
it was he was kind of view like that, like
this dude, and get over the hump. This dude's not
gonna get it done. And obviously he changed that. And
so that's what Jason Tatum can do. And look, it's
a compliment to him, right, I mean, when people expect
a lot from you and hold you accountable and criticize
(13:14):
you when you fall short, that says that they respect
your game and that they expect a lot from you.
But he does have an opportunity and if they lose Rob,
he it's gonna be interesting what happens in Boston.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I don't know if they run it back.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I probably, but they might, you know, they might listen
to offers for for Jalen Brown or maybe even Jason Tatum, who.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Knows, but yeah, they might do something. Chris, Yeah, because
you look at it and say, maybe it's not gonna
happen for us.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Right right, all right?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Jason Tatum, I don't think he gets the respect he deserves.
Rob thinks it's appropriate, he gets an appropriate level of
respect and criticism. What are your thoughts on him? And
what do you think he's gonna do this series? Is
he gonna get it done? And man, what would a
championship do for him going forward? Your thoughts next? Chris
(14:08):
and Rob the I couple Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to
listen live.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Hi, this is Jay Glazer.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
And you may know me for the world of football
or fighting or even shows like HBO's Bawlers. Who you
don't know is for my entire life, I have lived
in something I refer to as the gray depression anxiety.
So now I'm coming out with a new podcast, Unbreakable,
a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer where each week,
while we talk.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
About mental health. I hope to describe it, give it words.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Listen to Unbreakable with Jay Glazer on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
All right, it is the I Couple Chris Brussard and
Rob Parker live from the tie rack dot com studios.
Thoroughbrad Raising has a new independent regulators called HEISA, and
heis is implementing comprehensive reforms, and the sport it self
is combining hands on care with cutting edge technology to
help keep its athletes safe. To learn more, visit Safety
(15:19):
runs First dot com. That is Safety Runs First dot Com.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Guess who texted me during the break? You want to
check us?
Speaker 7 (15:31):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Who's that?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
The Great Lenny Wilkins.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Oh what he's saying?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
What we say wrong? He was like, Hey, don't forget
about little old Lenny.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Championship as a player and coach, well as a coach
as a coach, And that's what I said. I said, Hey,
we didn't forget about you, but we were talking about guys
that won championships as players and coaches and.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
The top fifty player of all time Lenny.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Lenny is in that argument for the great this player
to win the championship as as coach. Take Bill Russell
out obviously, like we said, he wanted as a player coach,
and yeah, Lenny right now, Lenny would be the guy,
the greatest coach player to win the championship. And we're
gonna get him more into Let's get him more in
the finals hanging around.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yeah, yeah, thanks Couples.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know, yes, shout out to Lenny. You never remember.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
One of the first NBA game I don't even Lenny
probably doesn't even remember this, but one of the first
NBA games I ever covered.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
It was in Cleveland. I was not the beat writer.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I was just like a high school ride bar and
they let me go and do a sidebar and Lenny
was great. He gave me like a little one on one.
It was just about the game. It wasn't like a
feature or anything. But I didn't really know what I
was doing, where to go, where to get the interviews,
and uh, he gave me like a one on one
kind of outside of his office or something like that,
(16:55):
and it was real nice to me.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
And so he.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Saw you a great guy. Right.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
The kid don't know what he's doing. His pants are
probably wet. He doesn't know what good job a right?
Speaker 7 (17:08):
All right?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
All right?
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox your thoughts on
Jason Tatum and why he doesn't get the love he should.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
All right, Tim and Queens, you're on the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Tim?
Speaker 7 (17:25):
What's up y'all?
Speaker 8 (17:26):
How y'all doing today?
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Man?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Doing great?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
How are you right?
Speaker 7 (17:30):
I'm good? I'm good.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
So I just want to say I agree with you, Chris.
I think they overblow all this Jason.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Tatum hate stuff.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
Every time I'm watching TV, they always slamming him. It's
just like he's he's twenty six, all of those, all
the examples you brought up, all the other young people
who won championships at that age he had like a
little mentor or they had like a significant somebody who
was older that was could you know, take the pressure
off them and cut situations, things of that nature. And
(18:00):
then people have this narrative that he's not clutched. But
remember what happened. I think it was against Philly when
he was like one for fourteen or something like that,
and then in the fourth quarter he hit like three threes.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
In a row.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
To push the game or something like or whatever the
case may be. And also everybody always took about, oh, Luca,
Luca leading the leading the playoffs in points, rebounds, assist,
whatever the case may be. Nobody talk about how Tatum
is leading his team in points, rebounds and assists and
things like that. It's always something negative about, some negative connotation.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
I feel like.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
He was a young guy. Yep, he a young He
a young guy. You know, get him some time, Like
I remember when Kobe was missing three threes and all
that stuff.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
Ye, playoffs and all that.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I remember I watched that. I remember watching that vividly.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah, and uh yeah, there's no Tatum against Brooklyn
and the playoffs fifty points, forty points. You know, he's
had some huge games that I would saying, like I said,
Game six against Milwaukee in Milwaukee Backs against the Wall,
he hit forty six.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
So he has had his moments. That was a good call.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Yeah, no doubt. Thanks, Jim appreciated. Let's go to Jabbari
in Michigan. You're on they couple of Fox sportuiting. What's up, Jabari?
Speaker 9 (19:22):
Hey, how's it going guys?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
How y'all doing doing great? How are you?
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Yeah? So so I'm.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
So glad that I got a chance to get this opportunity.
But yeah, I've been watching Jason Tatum since he got started,
especially times when he was a duke, and I do
believe that as time was going on, he definitely got
the criticism. To me, it's like, it's kind of weird
because I feel like that for his for his age,
when he was even before his prime, I feel like
that he was getting the Lebron James treatment. But it
(19:47):
was like people still say, but he's.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Not that guy. He's not just in that.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
I'm like that, why y'all, Why y'all criticized him like
he's Lebron James, Like I never understaid that. But Jason Tanner,
I just want to say this about him.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
In the playoffs, he has when he was a rookie.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
He had the second most playoff on because a rookie
he was he was one point behind uh Krem to
the bar. And when he was a rookie, he has
the fifth most fifty point fifty point games in the playoffs.
He also is the fifth player NBA history to to
lead his team to the NBA Finals while leading a
team in points, rebound in the fifth, the fifth NBA
history and we and we the same that that's just
(20:19):
that's just there. And also at the end of twenty
six only three players have more playoff wins than he does,
Tony Parker, Cody uh, Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
And Matti Johnson.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
And we all know who they had earlier in the year.
So I feel like the me uh in the career,
I feel like that we still have to get.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
The same time. Now.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Now he's in a fine right now, so it's.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Champions they lose here, would you have that same feeling
but today game if they lose in this situation.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
Uh, as far as far as I think that he's what.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
No, just how would you feel about him? Like you
would still be that strong like waving the flag?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Would be young.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Young?
Speaker 9 (20:55):
I mean, I mean he he should, I mean he should.
I would definitely criticiz I would be to me because
I because I would saying I do have the boss
Boston Celtics winning them.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
That's by the way, they're the favorites.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
They're the favorite.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
So if they don't, I would be.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
I would I would, I would, I would.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
I would still feel like that he still has more time.
But I believe that he definitely deserves a criticism if you.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Lose this year.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Okay, let's yeah, thank.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You, Okay, good call. It's the odd couple. Chris and
Rob live from the Tiereck dot Com studios. Eddie House
around the corner.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
But first, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at
Foxsports Radio dot Com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search
fs R to listen live.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
NBC Sports Boston.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Color Commentator, Fox Sports Radio, NBA Analysts our man, Eddie House,
e House.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
What's up, gentlemen, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
How are you weird? Good man?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I know you are excited. I know you got your
Celtics row. I'm just gonna start it off and it's
kind of putting you on the spot, but you know,
you gotta be honest. You may have seen there was
a story in the Boston Globe a couple days ago
saying that if these Celtics won the championship, they would
(22:20):
be an all time great team.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I disagree, are and.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I actually think that your eight Celtics were better than
this team with Kevin Gardinett, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 7 (22:37):
Well, if you go statistically, they would be an all
time team. You know, the way they shot the three,
the way they scored, the defense, the way they did
You can't take that away from what they've done in
this era of basketball. As far as comparing them to
our eight team, I feel like that's not fair to
do until they win it, because we won a championship.
(23:00):
If they win a championship, then okay, we can have
that discussion. And you already know where I'm gonna fall
with that. And and no slight to the guys that
are on this team right now that can play. But
I'm ride with my guys before I'll ride with anybody else.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
So y'all were a great team. I mean, y'all had
some trouble in the playoffs. I don't know why, but
y'all were a great team.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
We we didn't have no, we didn't have no trouble.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Y'all went seven with Land in the first round.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Man, we was but we was in control of that though,
you know what I mean, we gl of that.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I was just line.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
It didn't look like that against the Halts. I remember that.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
Hey, at one point, did y'all ever think we was
gonna lose that series.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I ain't think you're gonna lose. But still, y'all remember
Game seven. But come on, man, control is four or five?
And then who y'all play in the second round?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Was it Cleveland?
Speaker 7 (23:55):
Yeah? With Cleveland. We went seven with Cleveland, and I uh,
the Jugger, not the Detroit who had a championship, the
Detroit Pitstons who went five straight conference we have? Yeah,
come on, I.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Got better as y'all went on, no doubt.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
Oh and what about the big bad Lakers in the finals. Oh,
we was down too. We had a damn in six.
Come on, man, we was in control of that the
whole time. You know, we played with our food a
little bit. That's all.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
It was a right where you I got the Celtics
winning this. They're the favorites, I think, rightfully. So I
think it's there for them, I really do. And I
like the Luca and Kyrie, But I just think this
Celtics team. People don't like the way they look some
of the games, and they don't always dominate or whatever.
(24:42):
But good teams that he win, uh, And that's it.
It's not about style. Points twelve and two in the postseason,
six and zero on the road sixty four wins during
the season. Why am I? Am I crazy to think
that they can't win the championship.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
No, the people that think that they can't. That's crazy
to me is that, you know, you have to believe
what you believe. It's like last year with Denver, right,
Denver was the best team all year last year and
everybody was like, well, can they beat this? Are they
going to be able to do this? And no, you
gotta believe what you see. You gotta believe with your
own eyes these numbers. You know what I'm gonna say it,
(25:18):
The nerds have and I don't got no problem with
the I got no problem, but you know what I'm saying,
but they distort the game. They put throw these numbers
out here. Well, well, in the last two weeks, there's
nobody that shot the ball better than this person. But
they're like, you give a damn about the last two weeks.
Let's talk about what has happened, you know what I mean? So, okay,
(25:38):
so I'll say that I digress, but I'll say that
to say this, I believe it's five or six games
the Celtics because there ain't nowhere to run and hide
Luca and Kyrie. You had the opportunity to run and hide.
Every single playoff series. You had to deal with just
one guy, maybe two guys, and if that second guy
didn't show up, you wasn't guarding them anyway, Anthony Edwards,
(26:02):
they didn't have to guard him. They could put somebody
else on him. They're gonna have to guard everybody on
this team. We got five guys that could crack you
off the dribble, that can make plays for yourself, make
plays for others. And I don't know if they have
besides Tyrie and Luca, the guys that can.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Do that, right, they don't have five.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
They don't and we do have five, and we have
five guys that can defend. So to me, when I
started looking, that's why I say five or six. And
I respectfully that's respectfully given Luca and Kyrie a game
where you know, it was just one of them days,
you know what I mean? That they're they're stars and
they're gonna show up like that before a totality of
a seven game series. I don't see it. I don't
(26:45):
see a way that that Dallas could get it. But
you know, it's not playing on paper. It's played between
them lines.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
I got Dallas in six, and I think a key.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You crazy, right, y'a lucky y'all got out of Indianapolis.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
Man in New York Now I know it's legal in
New York. Are you drinking? Which one are you?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think a big key because Luca's gonna get his
y'all might make him an efficient or maybe he'll be
efficient whatever, but he's gonna get his points. I think
a big key. Eddie is Kyrie and y'all have done
a good job. I know it's a different team this year,
but you know this team has done a good job
defending Kyrie since he's left Boston.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
You know, remember when he was in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
They pretty much shut him down those last three games
that I sweep with Durant. If they can keep if
they can you know, keep him from kind of being Kyrie,
so to speak, then I think it will be tough
on Dallas.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
How do you think that will go?
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Like?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Do you think that that is kind of a key?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
And do you think they I know they got a
bunch of great defenders, so you think Kyrie will get
his or they'll they'll pretty much make him struggle.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
I was looking at something earlier. I think they said
that Luca is like we're doing a show earlier of
finals pre preview, and they said Luca game one to
get thirty one and Kyrie to get twenty five or
something like that, or twenty four, twenty three somewhere around there,
and so like even around fifty five points between them two. Now,
(28:19):
so if that's the case, they hit that mark, right,
do you fifty five points only? Do you think that
the other team is capable of collectively bringing sixty points
collectively the.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, well, I think those two I think what makes
them so dangerous as they're not just scores.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
They're both phenomenal passers as well. And I think they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Get gafferck and some dunk and Lively and the key
to if PJ. Washington continues to shoot the three like
he has, that's gonna be big.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
Okay, I hear all that, right, But my thing is
if you watch those games I've watched. I watched. I
watched every playoff game, Okay, and not only just the selfius,
I'm talking about every playoff game, And so those shots
that those guys are getting, yeah, they are created by Kyrie,
and they're created by Luca, but it's also created by overhelp. Now,
if you are able to say I'm gonna guard my
(29:15):
yard in at the end of the day, if Luca
gets a bucket on a tough shot, cool, you live
with that.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Single cover.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
I wouldn't. I would never double them. I would never
give these guys any they killed.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Minnesota was the top defense in the league, not y'all.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
But let me tell you the different things.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And they kill Edwards and McDaniels, who are good defenders.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Let me tell you the difference between those two guys
right between that team that team right there, they couldn't
go back at them on the other end. So part
of your defense is also your offense. I think we're
a better offensive team than Minnesota. We have more weapons,
so they can't hide. So that's number one. So you
could wear them down, putting them in a multiple pick
and rolls. You could put them in situations where they're
(29:59):
gonna have to our post stuffs at times if they
want to switch. So I just look at the way
the game plan was unfolding. Right when you look at
what Minnesota, how they were guard and they was running
that drop coverage then they try to bring Rudy up
a little higher. What did Jason Kidd do? Great adjustments?
He said, Hey, we're gonna run this pick and roll
damn there at half court. So now Rudy can't switch
because they don't want to switch. He really can't be
(30:21):
in a drop and he really can't come up too high. Well,
we have guys that we could switch. And what I
would do, this is just me. I would just push up.
And if you want to make a logo three, take
ten of those things. I promise to take ten of
those things. If you make seven out of ten of
those logo threes, I'll tip my capsule you and say
great jobs. But what I'm not gonna do. I'm not
gonna let PJ. Washington catch the ball in the corner
(30:42):
and get wide open shots and get confidence. I'm not
letting Dereck Jones Jr. Catch wide open shots and get confidence.
And I'm not gonna even overreact on the pick and
roll situations. I'm gonna have Hey guard our yard and
if I get beat Hey, man and I'm gonna go
back to the drawing board and look at something and say, okay,
against Luca one on one, this guy was not good
matchup for us, so he might have to you know
(31:04):
what i'ming we might have to make some adjustments with that, Eddie.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
What do you expect him from, poor Zingis?
Speaker 7 (31:10):
I expect him to be him? I mean, he's been
off for forty days. Okay, it's not like he's just
been sitting on the couch for forty days. He's been
rapping up. He's been getting ready, and they not going
to have him out there if he's not ready to go.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Did you hear him yesterday? He sounded a little.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
Like somebody that he gased like.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You know.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
So what I'm trying to say is this. What I'm
saying is this in forty days, if you're not right,
you don't know what you're like until you get out there. Now,
they did all the scrimmages and everything like that to
make it a simulation of a game, to make it,
you know, but once you get into the game situation tomorrow,
we'll find out if he responds, if he doesn't respond,
if he's one hundred percent or not, because you don't
(31:48):
know until you know, you know what I mean, you
don't know it feels good. It's like the calf the groin,
the hip flexer and the hamstring. Those are tricky injuries.
Like you might feel good and then one movement the
wrong way and you're right back to square one of
where man, I got to take another you know, two
weeks off.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
All right?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
That is our man, Eddie House, A very confident Eddie House.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I'm just gonna chill next week after gay folks.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
You know what's crazy? Christy? You ask me my opinion,
I give it to you now. I'm over your overconfident.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You're very confident. I like that.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
I like you. What what else I'm supposed to be?
I know what I see, I.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Know what I'm all right, all right, we will see what.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
You know what? Hey, listen real quick. I'm sorry. I
know what it is. It's a lot of Celtic hate
out there. Man. I know Rob g got it. Rob,
he got it for sure. You you got it too.
Deep down.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
People think that they just don't like.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
No.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
First off, it's not people think that if you continuously
put certain things out there, you'd be like, oh, okay,
I'm starting to pick up what you're putting down, and
I'll see what you're putting down. But I ain't picking
it up because.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
All right, we will see when this one one and
we talked next Wednesday, we will see, we will see.
All right, that's our man Andie house keeping locked. It's
the Eye Couple because of Rob. Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio
dot Com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to
listen live.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
All right, it's the Eye Couple.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Chris and Rob live from the Tiereck dot Com studios.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Rob Paul George.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Uh, you know all these players got their own podcast
nowadays and they talking and so uh, here's what Paul
George said about potentially having his number retired in a
few places.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
Here is I hope I paved the way or if I,
you know, did enough to kind of inspire uplift that
era of the time that I was there, you know,
whether it's in Indiana, whether it was in LA. I
don't think my stint was long enough in Oklahoma, but
you know, hopefully in those two other places.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Indiana, make sure I'm being sports.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
Might be the first player to get.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I see you rolling your eyes. You don't you don't
think you should get his number?
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Paul George the goat to some of today's like, okay,
it's never retired in uh Indiana and l A Clippers.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I just my standard is just way higher than most people.
It's become anybody who's decent gets their number of retired.
I don't think you retire numbers like that. You have,
to me, you have to really have a huge impact
or win championships to go with it. And everybody who
wins the championship doesn't get their number retired. I just
(34:52):
don't think. I don't think it's like that, and I
don't what about I'm sorry, I just I don't. I
just don't see anything that would make me want to
think that Paul George would have his number retired anywhere.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Anywhere.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Wow, I think he should get his retired.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
His number retired in both of those places, the Clippers
and the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
And here's why. It depends on the organization robe.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I mean, sure, for the Lakers, you better win some rings,
you know. For the Celtics, you better win some rings
or at least one, but every franchise. Heck, the Pacers
have never won an NBA championship, and so they got her.
I mean I think they should retire some numbers. Reggie
(35:38):
Miller has his number retired, obviously got to a finals.
I would say this, Rob, and I'm talking about NBA,
not ABA, because they got they won an ABA championship
in George McGinnis, Mel Daniels and Roger Brown have their
numbers retired. But the only NBA player or you know,
pure NBA player with the Pacers was Reggie Miller. I
(36:01):
think it's gonna this might sound crazy to you, ride,
but once you think.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
About it, I think you'd be like, you know what,
I think.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Paul George is the second best pacers player ever n
B A.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I mean, think about it.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I don't think that that gets you your number of
your jersey.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
And he was great there.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I just don't Chris, he could be great to have.
You know, I'm different, Like I say, I tell you
every time we do Hall of Fame stuff, and you
got people have ten votes, and I see guys fill
out their ballots and I see their back and they
check every they got ten votes. They vote for ten people.
I don't believe in that. And and and value with
(36:47):
you on my ballot is like because people go, well,
they give you ten votes, why won't you use them
because there aren't ten Hall of Famers on your ballot,
you know, like, like that makes no sense to me
to just give somebody a vote when they.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I agree with that, but I just think again, I
think it's based on the France.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
You would be surprised at.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Some of the players on some of these more you know,
more BUN franchises.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Who have their jerseys retired.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
The Clippers obviously have never won a championship and the
furthest they got conference finals. Guess who was on the
team in the leading score Paul George. I mean Kawhi
was leading scorer that year, barely over George. But of
course Kawhi got hurt in the playoffs. George helped lead
them or led them to the conference finals. Like if
they I mean, maybe you unless they just don't retire
(37:38):
anybody's number.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
If they retired numbers.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Then then definitely Paul George should be one of the Clippers.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Yeah, I just I think the threshold should be higher.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I really, do you think they just shouldn't have retired numbers?
Speaker 4 (37:54):
No, no, I mean Clippers, but Reggie Miller, you said,
got that got to the finals? Well, and Clippers.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Don't they don't have any retired numbers.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Yeah, and rightfully, so that's good. They should They shouldn't
because it just it defeats.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
The person they might never win.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Look, I get it, because you know, it's not like
you have to retire numbers.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
You don't have to retire numbers Patrick Beverley because he
played hard.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
No, but come on, Paul George ain't Patrick Beverly. No,
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I'm just saying in general, like.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Because George was pretty Look, he is a great player.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
He's not like upper echel line all time great.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
When I think of Paul George's term time if he
leaves and after this year, I mean with the Clippers
are just clippers. I would feel like it was fun.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It was disappointing, but they but they got as far
further than they ever have.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I get it, but I still would he took him further.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Than Chris Paul Blake Griffin, you know, and the Pacers.
They gave the Heatles all they wanted.
Hosts And Creators
kelvin washington
Rob Parker
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal
Gregg Rosenthal and a rotating crew of elite NFL Media co-hosts, including Patrick Claybon, Colleen Wolfe, Steve Wyche, Nick Shook and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic get you caught up daily on all the NFL news and analysis you need to be smarter and funnier than your friends.