June 8, 2024 • 33 mins
Chris and Rob take the Chicago Tribune to task for their latest column on Caitlin Clark, debate whether an NBA championship would make Luka Doncic – not Dirk Nowitzki – the greatest player in Dallas Mavericks history and tell us why Dan Hurley wouldn’t be the home run head coaching hire that many Los Angeles Lakers fans think it is (although it would be a huge upgrade over a potential JJ Redick hire).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm trashing the Chicago Tribune. Okay, they wrote an editorial.
I'm gonna let Rob g summarize it and then get
into my thoughts. Came out yesterday editorial.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's an editorial that came out and.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
People for the entire editorial board department, a sports column
or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So rather than just summarize it, I'm going to read
two small paragraphs and.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Let you guys be the judge. But this is the
gist of the story in this ch Corgo Tribune.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
The foul committed by Chicago sky guard Kennedy Carter was egregious.
Outside of a sporting contest, it would have been seen
as an assault. Even within a sporting context.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
It was bad.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
They had later Really there's more, Chris, I want you
to hear this last part. She has to compete. I
about Kaitlyn Clark on her own merits. But basketball has rules.
And if the WNBA choose her up and spits her
out because it is too afraid of being called racist
to protect her from a racially tinged animosity, or indeed
from fouls such as the one Carter committed, it will
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have done a huge disservice to its own game, now
at a major inflection point. Thanks in no small measure too. Yes,
Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm trashing the Chicago Tribune.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
That's week.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Week.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It would have been assault away from a basketball court.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
How much wouldn't be an So what fouls?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Rob, wouldn't be an assault away from a basketball.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
I'm assuming that they've never seen in a Chicago black
Hawks game.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Quis assault happens every ten seconds?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Say football, watch the Bears lately. Now they're getting assaulted.
They're not doing much as salting, but I mean, really,
come on, man, and I mean I'm sorry, Rob. There's
been a lot of talk from people saying that Caitlyn
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Clark is getting all this attention, or at least a
lot of it because she's white because it's racism.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I haven't seen it that way.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I have said, Look, Diana Torazi was white, is white,
Brianna Stewart is white, Sue Bird, Sabrina your Netco. A
lot of WNBA stars or college stars have been white
in female basketball, and none of them were championed like
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Caitlyn Clark. None of them captured the imagination of the
public like Caitlan Clark. So I think it's the way
she plays, like Steph Curry, kind of logo threes, great
ball handling, great passing, vision, all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
But there have been some instances of racism.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
One of them was when Iowa was invited to the
White House even though they lost.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Tell us you, I mean, what, all of.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
A sudden, the first time you're gonna invite the runner
up to the White House, it just happens to be
a virtually all white team led by a white star.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I think that was some racism.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And I think this column, which Rob if you read
the whole thing, is written like Caitlyn Clark is some
princess who finds herself lost in a jungle, and oh my,
you better protect her. These these wild things out there
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that are going after that's how it read.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Shame on the Chicago Tribune.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
That was ridiculous, And to me, that was racist because
there's a angel race getting hammered too, filed physically and
and all that stuff, and I haven't seen them.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Write about her. I think, like, it's not just the physical.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I mean, she's getting physical play, but some of that's
just you a rookie.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And she's not the only one.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We're focusing on her because of her stardom, but a
lot of them are getting that.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
But I didn't think that.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Was ridiculous what the Chicago Tribune did.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Yeah, it just it just sounds way way off base.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
It sounds like.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
They're overdoing it Chris and trying to, uh say, leave
her alone, let her do whatever she wants, let her shoot,
leave her.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Open, leave her open. What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (05:04):
I mean, who are the other basketball players who were
saying that they should be like the w NBA is
making a mistake, They should be like the WWEE, Yeah,
they should just allow allow her to win the championship
and move out of the.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Way and all that. Are you serious? Really? Come on, man,
come on, And the same thing.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
If it's a foul, Crystal'll call it if it ain't
a foul play on it's so simple, so simple.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I think some of the Tribune was because you read
the column. They were somewhat reacting. In my feeling, rob G,
you you ready to you let me know if you agree.
I think they were somewhat reacting to Whoopee Goldberg and
Sonny Houston on the View, who were basically defending Kennedy
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Carter's chop block on Caitlyn Clark and that was bad.
Like I'm like, look, sometimes like.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
That was wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Black people aren't perfect. We do things wrong. Sometimes that
was wrong. And for Whoopy Goldberg and Sunny Hostin to
act like, oh, that's just part of the game.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
It wasn't a basketball play.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I'm not saying you gotta make Kennedy Clark out to
be some bad person. I'm not saying that we've seen
players do this type of thing, but don't defend it.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
It was a dirty play.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You can admit it was a dirty play and still
have your views on you think Caitlyn Clark's getting favorable
treatment because you white or whatever, but you can't defend
stuff that's just indefensible. And the league came back the
next day and said it was a flagrant one. It
was like, if you want to get back at Caitlyn.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Clark, who you know, threw an elbows. I saw it.
I thought it was indecisive if I saw the right video.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
But if you say she threw an elbow at Carter,
you want to get her back, get her back in
the during the game, and it still might be called
a foul, It still might be called a flagrant. But
if she goes to the whole foul her hard something
like that. But this you can't defend that, Rob. It's
like Karl Malone when he hammered Isaiah Tomms.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
We drove to I can't defend it. It was a
dirty play. And so I think the Tribune was responding
to that, both of them, Moron, both of them Maron.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
And this thing, Rob has become really polarizing where it's
like people putting politics in this and taking you know,
almost like their political views are informing their view of this.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Call it like you see it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Kennedy Carter's shot shot was dirty.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
We're not castigating her going forward.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It was just a dirty like in that instance, and
the Chicago Tribune's column was definitely racist to me, ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
It just it just didn't make any sense.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
And to use the word assault, really, yes, did they
pull her hair? Did they hit her head on the
thank you concrete? Chris assault, Pumpter. Isn't that a little
a little excessive to call that behavior assault? Was there
a baseball bat on the court, Chris that I didn't see?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Was there a jump kick in the back where she
wasn't looking? You know? Like?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
No, like I'm stopping stop, I mean, do you know
what assalted?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
When Draymond Green some of the things he's done, and
I know that's there obviously he's black, But I'm just saying,
like we've seen him do worse on the court.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Ron, I don't know. Is it somewhat sexist? It's saying that.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Women shouldn't, you know, have hard fouls and physical play.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
I just they are wrong for that.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It'll be interesting, I know it came out yesterday, so
be interested to see what kind of responses they get
from that.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
But Rob, again, that was not a column by a in.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
The sports section, right, that was the editorial board of
the paper.
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Speaker 1 (10:07):
A lot of chatter today as players are meeting with
the media, and Jason Kidd, the head coach of the
Dallas Mavericks, had a lot to say. Here's one of
the things regarding Luca and Dirk. You've talked about Luca
in the highest of company, Dirk Luca, if Luca wins
a ring this year, to see if a shot at
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the claim greatest Maverick ever? Yes, wow, No, no hesitancy,
which I guess there shouldn't because he's already said he
thinks Luca is better than Dirk.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Where are you at on this route?
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I just I just wouldn't address that or even be there, Chris.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
First of all, Dirk took that team to the championship twice.
If it wasn't for a million free throws to the finals,
you know what I mean, in the finals twice on
one championship, right right, If it wasn't for a million
free throws that Dwayne Wade got, they might have won
two championships because they were up two ozero in that
and never never got never won another game. But anyway,
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the other thing is the championship that he won. My god,
do you remember, Chris? The gauntlet that he had to
go through?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Right then?
Speaker 6 (11:17):
He go through uh, Shaq and Kobe? Who else did
he go through? The the young OKC team and then
the heatles? Is that what he was?
Speaker 4 (11:26):
That what he went through?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I'm not sure what the heatles?
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Of course, in the Kobe, Kobe and Powell, I'm and Gasol,
I'm sorry it was Kobe and then the Young OKC
Chris team and then Lebron James and the heatles. All
I'm saying, first, yeah, all I'm saying is I don't
know if I would have addressed that or even talked
about that, uh prior it was really dismissive, as if
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Dirk didn't do anything. I would just be like, Wow,
Dirk put up stamp on his franchise. His name is
on the court and their statue outside all that other stuff,
which is great. I'll get to that when we win
a championship or if we win a championship. But to
sit here today and do a hypothetical about somebody who
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actually won a championship for this franchise would be hard
for me to answer today. And that's no disrespect to Luca.
I just think it's a lack of respect for Dirk Davisky,
that's it. And you could love Luca Chris if they
lose this series or get swept or whatever. It doesn't
mean that Luca is not a great player either. But
I just think it's a time and place for all that.
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And I thought it was disrespectful to Dirk and what
he was able to accomplish.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
That's all.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, I disagree. I do agree with you.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I mean, I see where you're coming from in terms of,
you know, maybe he could wait, you know, until after
the finals heck, Rob, if they lose this finals, you
never know, somebody might play that as Oh they were
counting their chickens before they have that.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
That's another one, right right.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, So I get where you're coming from with that.
But Luca's just better than Dirk. I mean, there's they
could lose this, they could get swept in this series.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Luca's a better player than Dirk Novinsky was.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I don't see how anybody, excuse me, can watch the
two of them play and have any other opinion. I mean, now,
if you want to say Dirk is mister mav because
he was there for twenty one years and got them
their first NBA championship, that's all well and good, their
first or only the first line. But the best Maverick
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is Dirk the visk. I mean, lucas the best player
to ever play for the MAVs.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
So if they never win, if they if they never win,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
He's the best player because I think Barkley was better
than Dirk, and Barkley never won a championship. I mean,
it's not like I said, I tell you all the time.
To me, it's not just rings. It's a nuance about
this thing. And when you, I mean Dark Novitski, Rob,
and and again, I don't want this to be viewed
as a shot at Dirk. I'm just saying, but I
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just want to know is there a history with you
and Dirk that I don't know about it at all?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
I did, I did.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I did a story on Dirk for ESPN the magazine,
So I like Dirk. But that doesn't mean just like
everybody I'm gonna I'm just and I'm just.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Telling because like the City of Toronto thinks you have
something against the city, I'm just asking if there's something.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
That what is Toronto had to do?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Don't you remember Toronto?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
You said something to do with a Dirk Novisky.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
No, but I'm saying, like like it's just some backstory
that I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
That's all I'm asking. Go ahead, I'm asking.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Anyway, Dark Novitsky, And again, I don't want this to
be viewed as a shot at Dirt because he is
an all time great player, no question about it. But
Luka doncish. As we've said, Rob, at least I've said
he should be in the best ten players ever discussion
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when he's done, And that was never said about Dirt.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Nvisky.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
He just there.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Luca is on a different level of elite player. Dirk
was primarily a scorer that was prime. He wasn't a
good defender, wasn't much of a rebounder for a seven
foot His highest everage never averaged ten rebounds a game.
He was primarily a score and his career high average
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for a season in his twenty one year career was
twenty six points a game. Luca's career average is twenty
eight point seven. The thing Luke that Dirk did best,
Luca's already topping him in that and Luca for five
of his six years has averaged more than twenty six
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points a game, which was Dirk's career how he did
it once.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah, but there's a difference between the two.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Luca made four five has already made five First team
All NBAS. Dirk made four in twenty one years. Lucas
made five and six years. Luca has a higher career
average rebounding then than Dirk.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Okay, eight to seven. Let me say this long the
pass and in the.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Long term I think that if Luca, no matter how
great he is and plays the way he does, and
if he doesn't win, that fans in Dallas, will have
a fondness over Dirk and his career and his body
of work over.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Luca Are Like, does he won that championship?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Yeah, because the championship is what connects fans to players
and what And it doesn't mean that fans didn't love
Charles Barkley and others got Patrick Ewing in New York, Chris,
but there is something that you can't shake when you've
gone to the mountaintop and you won for them. And
the thing that always stands out, Okay, the thing that
stands out the most to me in that Dirk championship
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is that he wasn't along for the ride.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
He was making the big shots.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
He was the guy and it was against the the
vaunted Heatles and that was a major time when they
won a championship when people didn't think that they could
beat them.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
It was a great championship. And I agree, like, like
you know this Rob in New York as great as
people know Patrick Ewing was, I would argue, at least
from what I've experienced, they have probably more of a
fineness for willis Reed.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Just remember would you agree with that? And he wasn't
better than Ewing.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
No, but but winning a champion of Chris Joe naymanth go,
look at his career stats, but he won that.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
But what I'm just saying as an alt I mean,
but I'm saying with Rocky. But but I'm saying though,
but his connection to he Will is awful that that championship.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
But that's different than the best mav ever. I agree. Look,
I think mister heat is who Dwayne Wade? Would you
agree with that? Yeah, mister he's Dwayne Wade.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Now, obviously Lebron was better than Dwayne, but mister Heat
is Dwayne and I get that. And obviously Lebron won
championships in Miami, but he Wade played virtually his entire
career there. But the best player at the MAVs I've
ever had, it's Luca. But I agree with you. If
he doesn't win a championship, they will definitely have more
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love for Dirk than Luca. Row If Luca doesn't win
at least one championship in his career, it's a severe disappointment.
And as I said, he certainly wouldn't be in the
top ten of all time players. Conversation with with No championships,
and even one wouldn't get him there. He's gotta win
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probably three to get in that conversation. The only one
with less than three is Will and his numbers are
just outlandish.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
So I just yeah, I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I think Jason Kidd was asking honestly, and he probably
answered it two, Rob, because he's already said that Luca's
the best player to play for the Maps, and he
said Lucas straight out, flat out better than Dirk, And
I just I'm sorry. That championship was great, but this
run has been good. Now they gotta finish it off.
But Rob, you talked about the run that the Dallas
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Mavericks had to that title. The Mavericks this year are
one of the few the handful teams in history. I
think it's five or less who've ever beaten three point
fifty win teams in a run to the finals. They
beat the number four seed Clippers, who had won at
least fifty Okay, see the number one seed in the West,
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who obviously all of them won over fifty, and Minnesota,
which was the number two seed, and then then if
they top it off by beating the sixty four win
team you.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Talk about a run.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Now, obviously there's not the names of Lebron James and
Kobe Bryant and all that, but going you know down
the line, I mean Kawhi Leonard was one.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Of those at least for some of that.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Sga is going to be a great player, obviously already
is Edwards.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
What was that, Jason Tatum?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Kawhi? I said, when did he?
Speaker 5 (20:40):
He played like two games in the Clippers the first round?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Oh did he?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I didn't even think he played.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Yeah, he played a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
In fact, they lost. I think they were two and
zero and two with him. But yeah, so this is
a great run. But he's got to finish it off.
But I just best player, better player, Dirk or Luca.
I don't even think it's a real discussion.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
I think win. I think winning counts.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
And that's why, even if as great as he is, Chris,
if he doesn't win, you got to acknowledge that.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
There's the way you look at people.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
I always bring up, uh Marv Levy four super Bowls
in the row as a coach. He doesn't get the
respect or the love or people ever mentioned him as
a great the greatest coach of all time because he didn't.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Win with winning matter was better than Karl Malone winning matters.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
No, I'm just saying, I'm talking about if you're looking at.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
If you're looking at about love from the fans, I'm
talking about you looking at three players.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
And the two in a city. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
I have a hard time to believe that people are
gonna look at Luca and say he was the greatest
mav ever. He played there for fifteen years and we
didn't win anything. I don't believe that that's what fans
will think.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
But I bet you they think he was the best
individual player. I bet they don't really think that. I
don't see how you can watch those two and not
think that.
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Speaker 1 (22:06):
We have been here for weeks that JJ Reddick is
going to be the next head coach.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Of the LA Lakers.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And Rob we were just talking about yesterday, like why
don't they just go and do it? And you said,
and it's even been reported, Oh, they didn't want to
upstage the finals. You know, no they you know, they
don't want to take away from that. And then lo
and behold this morning, bam, the LA Lakers going to
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offer a huge long term contract.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
So what a mass shit?
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Didn't he have a story yesterday? That story was no
good to Danny Hurley.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
The coach of the Yukon Huskies, of course, won the
last two championships, and Rob was if he stays at Yukon,
we'll be because he's got like one of the top
recruiting classes in the country. They would to become the
first team to three peat rob in college since John Wooden.
So lots of play for there. But what are your
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thoughts on this? I mean, nothing's done. The reporter is
just that the Lakers. He's their number one guy and
has been since this process started after they fired Darvin Ham,
and they're gonna make him a huge offer. He's willing
to engage and listen. Nothing's done, of course, but that
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is the big news. And now all of a sudden,
JJ Reddick, who robbed yesterday, spoke and seemed like yeah,
I mean he didn't you know, he didn't confirm it
was his the job, but he definitely didn't sound you know,
he didn't sound any alarms like.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Hey hey, hey, hey, hey, slow down, there's nothing you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Like he kind of gave people the impression that I
don't even know if it was his fault.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
But people took away from that, hey.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Oh yeah, it's a done deal.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
But it clearly is it. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
I like higher better than JJ Reddick.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
I just think there were too many different things that
were not good, especially the not being a coach before.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
I just don't think that that's the right move.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
And you might say, well, it's a college coach and
the NBA players.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
I just think there's too much with the J.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
I was never with the JJ Reddick because of the
Lebron relationship and the podcasts and how it might come
across Chris with teammates and how it could be bad.
I said, if JJ's bad, and you waste a year
of Lebron with a guy who doesn't it, who hasn't coached,
Whereas here this is a coach. Now we know a
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lot of college coaches. Coach k almost took a Laker
job many many moons ago. You remember he decided to
stay Chris, so he flirted with it Larry Brown won
a championship in college.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
The only guy college and the NBA, so.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
One of the few that's had like real success at
the NBA level. Yeah, you know, Larry Brown was such
a vagabond. I don't mean that as an insult, but.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
He was on the twelve team.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I mean can call him a college coach. He's more
of a pro coach, I would say, but still did
coach you know, a significant amount of And.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
He did play in the ABA, Chris, he was a
guard in the ABN. I think I ever tell you
Larry Brown came to my barbershop in Detroit one day.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
You did. Yeah, that's a great story.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
But anyway, Yeah, I like this a lot better. I
just think need somebody with some experience. Yes, it's a
different league and whatnot, but this guy is at least
a winner. You can't find any guys, Chris, who are
walking around.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
They're all old and.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Decrepit walking around with championships, or they're already on a team.
You know, there's not that many guys around left out
without a championship.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
And this guy's at one two.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
At the college.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Yeah, but he's won two. You know, he's a winner.
You can say whatever, you know, he's won. He knows
what to do, he knows how to put together a
team and has to take it to the next level.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I like this a lot better than JJ Reddick does.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I do like it better than Reddick because for all
of the question marks around and Dan Hurley and I'll
get to those, JJ Reddick is nothing but one gigantic
chest question mark.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
He might be great, I might, I say that, but
he might be horrible.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
We have no idea, and I'm sorry having him stand
up in front of the whiteboard, do a power point
whatever it looks like when they do these interviews.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
That's not gonna convince it, and you don't know. It
might convince you, but it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
All these guys know the x's and o's all right,
so you just don't know at all.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
With JJ Reddick.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
So I do agree with that, Rob, But I don't
think this is the home run that many people are
talking about it, as it certainly is from a pr perspective.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Well, Lakers have won the day right now.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I mean, we don't even know if they're gonna get him,
but they have won the day.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
If they do hire Dan Hurley, you can't.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Say a negative thing about it, right because he is
a champion, right, He is a great coach.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
He is a great coach.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
It might not work out, but you're not gonna be
if if you go and get JAJ and it doesn't
work out, then it's like, look at.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
You did this.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
You gotta got a good code. Were you thinking right?
Speaker 6 (27:25):
And in this case, if it doesn't work out, you
would still be able to say, well, he was great
in college and maybe it didn't transfer, but.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
You won't be ridiculed.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
No, no, the same way you would.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
No.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I agree with you, But here's some of the red
flags I have. And like I said, he's a phenomenal coach,
and Rob I do like him better though at the
NBA level, and he said he wants to coach at
the NBA level. I would like him better with a
younger team, Cleveland even and I think Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Would have to adjust probably a little bit.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
But Cleveland which you know Darius Garland and Evan Mobley
and Jared Allen, bunch of young guys, Kars LeVert and
obviously Donovan Mitchell, or even younger rebuilding teams, because I
think that what the model the Lakers are looking at
is Boston with Brad Stevens who came from Butler.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Now he's in their front office.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But he, you know, he stabilized that program and developed
players Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown were developed within the
Boston system. Oklahoma City with Mark Dagnall even though he
wasn't a college coach. They are that type of you know,
development program where you know, we develop a great system
(28:40):
and program going forward. But my problem is, Okay, see
Boston when Stevens got there, they didn't have a forty
year old superstar and a thirty one year old superstar
who was a longtime veteran. And Dan Hurley for all
this greatness, and this is maybe part of it. His
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practices are intense. He is a yeller, He is a screamer.
He is going to get on guys and demand absolute perfection.
Practice is somewhat militaristic and rob We know a lot
of times that won't go over well with your NBA
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players who are grown men with families versus college kids.
I was talking to somebody that knows both of them,
and he was saying that Danny Hurley's practices are are
more intense than Tom Thibodeau's and Rob year after year,
Tom Thibodau's vote is the coach the players least.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Likely want to play for because he's so intense.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
But hurles are even more intense than his, more demanding
than his.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
And if you say, Okay, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Gonna yell at Lebron and a D and I'm not
gonna jump on them, are you?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
What are the other players gonna think?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Rob? You know this.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Coaches have said the reason they, in.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
A lot of cases been able to jump on their
players is because the superstar would allow. We've heard Greg
Popovich literally thanked him Duncan for letting him coaching, because
if he can yell at and jump on Duncan.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Everybody else has the fall in line.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I had one coach tell me once Rob, he went
to his star player before practice, said I'm gonna jump
on you today. Got nothing to do with you, but
I need to send a message to these other guys
and get them in line.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
So I'm gonna come at you hard.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Just you know, no, it ain't you know, it's not
about you and all that, And then that's what happened.
And so if Lebron and a D are not getting
you know, coached as hard as everybody else.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
How's that gonna sit?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
And Rob, to be honest, they I mean, Dan Hurley
is known for practicing hard, and he's used to practice
it more than playing games in college and a D
and Lebron one's injury prone, one's forty, they don't need
to be practicing that heart. But again, if they're not
going that hard, how is that gonna translate to the
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other guys?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
And then the system. Look, u CON's offense this year
was incredible. Ball watched them, Rob, ball player movement all.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
I mean, it was just everybody's in motion.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That's not what Lebron is used to doing in his
career ever, and he certainly I don't see him starting
at at forty running ball screens and screening here and.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Popping here and screen Now.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Hurley hasn't always coached that way Rhode Island, early Yukon,
so I think he can adjust and come up with
something to fit Lebron in ad You know what, those are.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Just some questions I have. I will quickly Rob.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I think it'll be great for BRONI assuming they draft him,
and great for Ruiy Hotchimore Austin Reeves Jervan like the
young guys.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
He will make them better.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
And I'm not saying he won't work well with Lebron
and Ad, but I got question marks about that.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
I think the best coaches are one who can adapt.
You can't take a system and force everybody in it.
I always thought agreed. That's why pat Riley's job with
the Knicks Chris was phenomenal. They didn't win a championship,
but he didn't have the players that he had with
the Lakers, and he took what he had and turned
that around him. I right and said, I can't play
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that way. They don't have any showtime players, right.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
You know, Rob He was viewed as kind of I mean,
he did a great job with the Lakers, obviously, but
he was kind of viewed as.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
A role out the ball, right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And then he went actually got Kareem Worthy, and then
with the Knicks he played an entirely different style with
That's what I'm saying, tough defense because he had to
use the players that he had.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
And that's what coaching is, Chris, What can I get
the best out of out of what I have Popovich.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Has done that. Rob, Mike D'Antoni didn't. Mike D'Antoni, I
think very good. Coach changed the game to some degree,
but everywhere he went, Rob, you're gonna play with you
play the same way, and it didn't work everywhere because
it's like we don't have those guys. So I like
it better than Reddick, like you said, but I do
think there are some question marks.
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Chris Bruson and Rob Harker.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm trashing the Chicago Tribune. Okay, they wrote an editorial.
I'm gonna let Rob g summarize it and then get
into my thoughts. Came out yesterday editorial.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's an editorial that came out and.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
People for the entire editorial board department, a sports column
or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So rather than just summarize it, I'm going to read
two small paragraphs and.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Let you guys be the judge. But this is the
gist of the story in this ch Corgo Tribune.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
The foul committed by Chicago sky guard Kennedy Carter was egregious.
Outside of a sporting contest, it would have been seen
as an assault. Even within a sporting context.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
It was bad.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
They had later Really there's more, Chris, I want you
to hear this last part. She has to compete. I
about Kaitlyn Clark on her own merits. But basketball has rules.
And if the WNBA choose her up and spits her
out because it is too afraid of being called racist
to protect her from a racially tinged animosity, or indeed
from fouls such as the one Carter committed, it will
(01:36):
have done a huge disservice to its own game, now
at a major inflection point. Thanks in no small measure too. Yes,
Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm trashing the Chicago Tribune.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
That's week.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Week.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It would have been assault away from a basketball court.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
How much wouldn't be an So what fouls?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Rob, wouldn't be an assault away from a basketball.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
I'm assuming that they've never seen in a Chicago black
Hawks game.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Quis assault happens every ten seconds?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Say football, watch the Bears lately. Now they're getting assaulted.
They're not doing much as salting, but I mean, really,
come on, man, and I mean I'm sorry, Rob. There's
been a lot of talk from people saying that Caitlyn
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Clark is getting all this attention, or at least a
lot of it because she's white because it's racism.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I haven't seen it that way.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I have said, Look, Diana Torazi was white, is white,
Brianna Stewart is white, Sue Bird, Sabrina your Netco. A
lot of WNBA stars or college stars have been white
in female basketball, and none of them were championed like
(03:04):
Caitlyn Clark. None of them captured the imagination of the
public like Caitlan Clark. So I think it's the way
she plays, like Steph Curry, kind of logo threes, great
ball handling, great passing, vision, all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
But there have been some instances of racism.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
One of them was when Iowa was invited to the
White House even though they lost.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Tell us you, I mean, what, all of.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
A sudden, the first time you're gonna invite the runner
up to the White House, it just happens to be
a virtually all white team led by a white star.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I think that was some racism.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And I think this column, which Rob if you read
the whole thing, is written like Caitlyn Clark is some
princess who finds herself lost in a jungle, and oh my,
you better protect her. These these wild things out there
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that are going after that's how it read.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Shame on the Chicago Tribune.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
That was ridiculous, And to me, that was racist because
there's a angel race getting hammered too, filed physically and
and all that stuff, and I haven't seen them.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Write about her. I think, like, it's not just the physical.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I mean, she's getting physical play, but some of that's
just you a rookie.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And she's not the only one.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We're focusing on her because of her stardom, but a
lot of them are getting that.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
But I didn't think that.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Was ridiculous what the Chicago Tribune did.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Yeah, it just it just sounds way way off base.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
It sounds like.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
They're overdoing it Chris and trying to, uh say, leave
her alone, let her do whatever she wants, let her shoot,
leave her.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Open, leave her open. What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (05:04):
I mean, who are the other basketball players who were
saying that they should be like the w NBA is
making a mistake, They should be like the WWEE, Yeah,
they should just allow allow her to win the championship
and move out of the.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Way and all that. Are you serious? Really? Come on, man,
come on, And the same thing.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
If it's a foul, Crystal'll call it if it ain't
a foul play on it's so simple, so simple.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I think some of the Tribune was because you read
the column. They were somewhat reacting. In my feeling, rob G,
you you ready to you let me know if you agree.
I think they were somewhat reacting to Whoopee Goldberg and
Sonny Houston on the View, who were basically defending Kennedy
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Carter's chop block on Caitlyn Clark and that was bad.
Like I'm like, look, sometimes like.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
That was wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Black people aren't perfect. We do things wrong. Sometimes that
was wrong. And for Whoopy Goldberg and Sunny Hostin to
act like, oh, that's just part of the game.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
It wasn't a basketball play.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I'm not saying you gotta make Kennedy Clark out to
be some bad person. I'm not saying that we've seen
players do this type of thing, but don't defend it.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
It was a dirty play.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You can admit it was a dirty play and still
have your views on you think Caitlyn Clark's getting favorable
treatment because you white or whatever, but you can't defend
stuff that's just indefensible. And the league came back the
next day and said it was a flagrant one. It
was like, if you want to get back at Caitlyn.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Clark, who you know, threw an elbows. I saw it.
I thought it was indecisive if I saw the right video.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
But if you say she threw an elbow at Carter,
you want to get her back, get her back in
the during the game, and it still might be called
a foul, It still might be called a flagrant. But
if she goes to the whole foul her hard something
like that. But this you can't defend that, Rob. It's
like Karl Malone when he hammered Isaiah Tomms.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
We drove to I can't defend it. It was a
dirty play. And so I think the Tribune was responding
to that, both of them, Moron, both of them Maron.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
And this thing, Rob has become really polarizing where it's
like people putting politics in this and taking you know,
almost like their political views are informing their view of this.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Call it like you see it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Kennedy Carter's shot shot was dirty.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
We're not castigating her going forward.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It was just a dirty like in that instance, and
the Chicago Tribune's column was definitely racist to me, ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
It just it just didn't make any sense.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
And to use the word assault, really, yes, did they
pull her hair? Did they hit her head on the
thank you concrete? Chris assault, Pumpter. Isn't that a little
a little excessive to call that behavior assault? Was there
a baseball bat on the court, Chris that I didn't see?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Was there a jump kick in the back where she
wasn't looking? You know? Like?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
No, like I'm stopping stop, I mean, do you know
what assalted?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
When Draymond Green some of the things he's done, and
I know that's there obviously he's black, But I'm just saying,
like we've seen him do worse on the court.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Ron, I don't know. Is it somewhat sexist? It's saying that.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Women shouldn't, you know, have hard fouls and physical play.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
I just they are wrong for that.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It'll be interesting, I know it came out yesterday, so
be interested to see what kind of responses they get
from that.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
But Rob, again, that was not a column by a in.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
The sports section, right, that was the editorial board of
the paper.
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A lot of chatter today as players are meeting with
the media, and Jason Kidd, the head coach of the
Dallas Mavericks, had a lot to say. Here's one of
the things regarding Luca and Dirk. You've talked about Luca
in the highest of company, Dirk Luca, if Luca wins
a ring this year, to see if a shot at
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the claim greatest Maverick ever? Yes, wow, No, no hesitancy,
which I guess there shouldn't because he's already said he
thinks Luca is better than Dirk.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Where are you at on this route?
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I just I just wouldn't address that or even be there, Chris.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
First of all, Dirk took that team to the championship twice.
If it wasn't for a million free throws to the finals,
you know what I mean, in the finals twice on
one championship, right right, If it wasn't for a million
free throws that Dwayne Wade got, they might have won
two championships because they were up two ozero in that
and never never got never won another game. But anyway,
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the other thing is the championship that he won. My god,
do you remember, Chris? The gauntlet that he had to
go through?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Right then?
Speaker 6 (11:17):
He go through uh, Shaq and Kobe? Who else did
he go through? The the young OKC team and then
the heatles? Is that what he was?
Speaker 4 (11:26):
That what he went through?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I'm not sure what the heatles?
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Of course, in the Kobe, Kobe and Powell, I'm and Gasol,
I'm sorry it was Kobe and then the Young OKC
Chris team and then Lebron James and the heatles. All
I'm saying, first, yeah, all I'm saying is I don't
know if I would have addressed that or even talked
about that, uh prior it was really dismissive, as if
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Dirk didn't do anything. I would just be like, Wow,
Dirk put up stamp on his franchise. His name is
on the court and their statue outside all that other stuff,
which is great. I'll get to that when we win
a championship or if we win a championship. But to
sit here today and do a hypothetical about somebody who
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actually won a championship for this franchise would be hard
for me to answer today. And that's no disrespect to Luca.
I just think it's a lack of respect for Dirk Davisky,
that's it. And you could love Luca Chris if they
lose this series or get swept or whatever. It doesn't
mean that Luca is not a great player either. But
I just think it's a time and place for all that.
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And I thought it was disrespectful to Dirk and what
he was able to accomplish.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
That's all.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, I disagree. I do agree with you.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I mean, I see where you're coming from in terms of,
you know, maybe he could wait, you know, until after
the finals heck, Rob, if they lose this finals, you
never know, somebody might play that as Oh they were
counting their chickens before they have that.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
That's another one, right right.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, So I get where you're coming from with that.
But Luca's just better than Dirk. I mean, there's they
could lose this, they could get swept in this series.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Luca's a better player than Dirk Novinsky was.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I don't see how anybody, excuse me, can watch the
two of them play and have any other opinion. I mean, now,
if you want to say Dirk is mister mav because
he was there for twenty one years and got them
their first NBA championship, that's all well and good, their
first or only the first line. But the best Maverick
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is Dirk the visk. I mean, lucas the best player
to ever play for the MAVs.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
So if they never win, if they if they never win,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
He's the best player because I think Barkley was better
than Dirk, and Barkley never won a championship. I mean,
it's not like I said, I tell you all the time.
To me, it's not just rings. It's a nuance about
this thing. And when you, I mean Dark Novitski, Rob,
and and again, I don't want this to be viewed
as a shot at Dirk. I'm just saying, but I
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just want to know is there a history with you
and Dirk that I don't know about it at all?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
I did, I did.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I did a story on Dirk for ESPN the magazine,
So I like Dirk. But that doesn't mean just like
everybody I'm gonna I'm just and I'm just.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Telling because like the City of Toronto thinks you have
something against the city, I'm just asking if there's something.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
That what is Toronto had to do?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Don't you remember Toronto?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
You said something to do with a Dirk Novisky.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
No, but I'm saying, like like it's just some backstory
that I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
That's all I'm asking. Go ahead, I'm asking.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Anyway, Dark Novitsky, And again, I don't want this to
be viewed as a shot at Dirt because he is
an all time great player, no question about it. But
Luka doncish. As we've said, Rob, at least I've said
he should be in the best ten players ever discussion
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when he's done, And that was never said about Dirt.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Nvisky.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
He just there.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Luca is on a different level of elite player. Dirk
was primarily a scorer that was prime. He wasn't a
good defender, wasn't much of a rebounder for a seven
foot His highest everage never averaged ten rebounds a game.
He was primarily a score and his career high average
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for a season in his twenty one year career was
twenty six points a game. Luca's career average is twenty
eight point seven. The thing Luke that Dirk did best,
Luca's already topping him in that and Luca for five
of his six years has averaged more than twenty six
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points a game, which was Dirk's career how he did
it once.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah, but there's a difference between the two.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Luca made four five has already made five First team
All NBAS. Dirk made four in twenty one years. Lucas
made five and six years. Luca has a higher career
average rebounding then than Dirk.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Okay, eight to seven. Let me say this long the
pass and in the.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Long term I think that if Luca, no matter how
great he is and plays the way he does, and
if he doesn't win, that fans in Dallas, will have
a fondness over Dirk and his career and his body
of work over.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Luca Are Like, does he won that championship?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Yeah, because the championship is what connects fans to players
and what And it doesn't mean that fans didn't love
Charles Barkley and others got Patrick Ewing in New York, Chris,
but there is something that you can't shake when you've
gone to the mountaintop and you won for them. And
the thing that always stands out, Okay, the thing that
stands out the most to me in that Dirk championship
(17:19):
is that he wasn't along for the ride.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
He was making the big shots.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
He was the guy and it was against the the
vaunted Heatles and that was a major time when they
won a championship when people didn't think that they could
beat them.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
It was a great championship. And I agree, like, like
you know this Rob in New York as great as
people know Patrick Ewing was, I would argue, at least
from what I've experienced, they have probably more of a
fineness for willis Reed.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Just remember would you agree with that? And he wasn't
better than Ewing.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
No, but but winning a champion of Chris Joe naymanth go,
look at his career stats, but he won that.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
But what I'm just saying as an alt I mean,
but I'm saying with Rocky. But but I'm saying though,
but his connection to he Will is awful that that championship.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
But that's different than the best mav ever. I agree. Look,
I think mister heat is who Dwayne Wade? Would you
agree with that? Yeah, mister he's Dwayne Wade.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Now, obviously Lebron was better than Dwayne, but mister Heat
is Dwayne and I get that. And obviously Lebron won
championships in Miami, but he Wade played virtually his entire
career there. But the best player at the MAVs I've
ever had, it's Luca. But I agree with you. If
he doesn't win a championship, they will definitely have more
(18:51):
love for Dirk than Luca. Row If Luca doesn't win
at least one championship in his career, it's a severe disappointment.
And as I said, he certainly wouldn't be in the
top ten of all time players. Conversation with with No championships,
and even one wouldn't get him there. He's gotta win
(19:12):
probably three to get in that conversation. The only one
with less than three is Will and his numbers are
just outlandish.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
So I just yeah, I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I think Jason Kidd was asking honestly, and he probably
answered it two, Rob, because he's already said that Luca's
the best player to play for the Maps, and he
said Lucas straight out, flat out better than Dirk, And
I just I'm sorry. That championship was great, but this
run has been good. Now they gotta finish it off.
But Rob, you talked about the run that the Dallas
(19:43):
Mavericks had to that title. The Mavericks this year are
one of the few the handful teams in history. I
think it's five or less who've ever beaten three point
fifty win teams in a run to the finals. They
beat the number four seed Clippers, who had won at
least fifty Okay, see the number one seed in the West,
(20:05):
who obviously all of them won over fifty, and Minnesota,
which was the number two seed, and then then if
they top it off by beating the sixty four win
team you.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Talk about a run.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Now, obviously there's not the names of Lebron James and
Kobe Bryant and all that, but going you know down
the line, I mean Kawhi Leonard was one.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Of those at least for some of that.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Sga is going to be a great player, obviously already
is Edwards.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
What was that, Jason Tatum?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Kawhi? I said, when did he?
Speaker 5 (20:40):
He played like two games in the Clippers the first round?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Oh did he?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I didn't even think he played.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Yeah, he played a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
In fact, they lost. I think they were two and
zero and two with him. But yeah, so this is
a great run. But he's got to finish it off.
But I just best player, better player, Dirk or Luca.
I don't even think it's a real discussion.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
I think win. I think winning counts.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
And that's why, even if as great as he is, Chris,
if he doesn't win, you got to acknowledge that.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
There's the way you look at people.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
I always bring up, uh Marv Levy four super Bowls
in the row as a coach. He doesn't get the
respect or the love or people ever mentioned him as
a great the greatest coach of all time because he didn't.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Win with winning matter was better than Karl Malone winning matters.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
No, I'm just saying, I'm talking about if you're looking at.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
If you're looking at about love from the fans, I'm
talking about you looking at three players.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
And the two in a city. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
I have a hard time to believe that people are
gonna look at Luca and say he was the greatest
mav ever. He played there for fifteen years and we
didn't win anything. I don't believe that that's what fans
will think.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
But I bet you they think he was the best
individual player. I bet they don't really think that. I
don't see how you can watch those two and not
think that.
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Speaker 1 (22:06):
We have been here for weeks that JJ Reddick is
going to be the next head coach.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Of the LA Lakers.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And Rob we were just talking about yesterday, like why
don't they just go and do it? And you said,
and it's even been reported, Oh, they didn't want to
upstage the finals. You know, no they you know, they
don't want to take away from that. And then lo
and behold this morning, bam, the LA Lakers going to
(22:36):
offer a huge long term contract.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
So what a mass shit?
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Didn't he have a story yesterday? That story was no
good to Danny Hurley.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
The coach of the Yukon Huskies, of course, won the
last two championships, and Rob was if he stays at Yukon,
we'll be because he's got like one of the top
recruiting classes in the country. They would to become the
first team to three peat rob in college since John Wooden.
So lots of play for there. But what are your
(23:08):
thoughts on this? I mean, nothing's done. The reporter is
just that the Lakers. He's their number one guy and
has been since this process started after they fired Darvin Ham,
and they're gonna make him a huge offer. He's willing
to engage and listen. Nothing's done, of course, but that
(23:28):
is the big news. And now all of a sudden,
JJ Reddick, who robbed yesterday, spoke and seemed like yeah,
I mean he didn't you know, he didn't confirm it
was his the job, but he definitely didn't sound you know,
he didn't sound any alarms like.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Hey hey, hey, hey, hey, slow down, there's nothing you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Like he kind of gave people the impression that I
don't even know if it was his fault.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
But people took away from that, hey.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Oh yeah, it's a done deal.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
But it clearly is it. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
I like higher better than JJ Reddick.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
I just think there were too many different things that
were not good, especially the not being a coach before.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
I just don't think that that's the right move.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
And you might say, well, it's a college coach and
the NBA players.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
I just think there's too much with the J.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
I was never with the JJ Reddick because of the
Lebron relationship and the podcasts and how it might come
across Chris with teammates and how it could be bad.
I said, if JJ's bad, and you waste a year
of Lebron with a guy who doesn't it, who hasn't coached,
Whereas here this is a coach. Now we know a
(24:40):
lot of college coaches. Coach k almost took a Laker
job many many moons ago. You remember he decided to
stay Chris, so he flirted with it Larry Brown won
a championship in college.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
The only guy college and the NBA, so.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
One of the few that's had like real success at
the NBA level. Yeah, you know, Larry Brown was such
a vagabond. I don't mean that as an insult, but.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
He was on the twelve team.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I mean can call him a college coach. He's more
of a pro coach, I would say, but still did
coach you know, a significant amount of And.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
He did play in the ABA, Chris, he was a
guard in the ABN. I think I ever tell you
Larry Brown came to my barbershop in Detroit one day.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
You did. Yeah, that's a great story.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
But anyway, Yeah, I like this a lot better. I
just think need somebody with some experience. Yes, it's a
different league and whatnot, but this guy is at least
a winner. You can't find any guys, Chris, who are
walking around.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
They're all old and.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Decrepit walking around with championships, or they're already on a team.
You know, there's not that many guys around left out
without a championship.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
And this guy's at one two.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
At the college.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Yeah, but he's won two. You know, he's a winner.
You can say whatever, you know, he's won. He knows
what to do, he knows how to put together a
team and has to take it to the next level.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I like this a lot better than JJ Reddick does.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I do like it better than Reddick because for all
of the question marks around and Dan Hurley and I'll
get to those, JJ Reddick is nothing but one gigantic
chest question mark.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
He might be great, I might, I say that, but
he might be horrible.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
We have no idea, and I'm sorry having him stand
up in front of the whiteboard, do a power point
whatever it looks like when they do these interviews.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
That's not gonna convince it, and you don't know. It
might convince you, but it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
All these guys know the x's and o's all right,
so you just don't know at all.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
With JJ Reddick.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
So I do agree with that, Rob, But I don't
think this is the home run that many people are
talking about it, as it certainly is from a pr perspective.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Well, Lakers have won the day right now.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I mean, we don't even know if they're gonna get him,
but they have won the day.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
If they do hire Dan Hurley, you can't.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Say a negative thing about it, right because he is
a champion, right, He is a great coach.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
He is a great coach.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
It might not work out, but you're not gonna be
if if you go and get JAJ and it doesn't
work out, then it's like, look at.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
You did this.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
You gotta got a good code. Were you thinking right?
Speaker 6 (27:25):
And in this case, if it doesn't work out, you
would still be able to say, well, he was great
in college and maybe it didn't transfer, but.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
You won't be ridiculed.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
No, no, the same way you would.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
No.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I agree with you, But here's some of the red
flags I have. And like I said, he's a phenomenal coach,
and Rob I do like him better though at the
NBA level, and he said he wants to coach at
the NBA level. I would like him better with a
younger team, Cleveland even and I think Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Would have to adjust probably a little bit.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
But Cleveland which you know Darius Garland and Evan Mobley
and Jared Allen, bunch of young guys, Kars LeVert and
obviously Donovan Mitchell, or even younger rebuilding teams, because I
think that what the model the Lakers are looking at
is Boston with Brad Stevens who came from Butler.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Now he's in their front office.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But he, you know, he stabilized that program and developed
players Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown were developed within the
Boston system. Oklahoma City with Mark Dagnall even though he
wasn't a college coach. They are that type of you know,
development program where you know, we develop a great system
(28:40):
and program going forward. But my problem is, Okay, see
Boston when Stevens got there, they didn't have a forty
year old superstar and a thirty one year old superstar
who was a longtime veteran. And Dan Hurley for all
this greatness, and this is maybe part of it. His
(29:03):
practices are intense. He is a yeller, He is a screamer.
He is going to get on guys and demand absolute perfection.
Practice is somewhat militaristic and rob We know a lot
of times that won't go over well with your NBA
(29:24):
players who are grown men with families versus college kids.
I was talking to somebody that knows both of them,
and he was saying that Danny Hurley's practices are are
more intense than Tom Thibodeau's and Rob year after year,
Tom Thibodau's vote is the coach the players least.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Likely want to play for because he's so intense.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
But hurles are even more intense than his, more demanding
than his.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
And if you say, Okay, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Gonna yell at Lebron and a D and I'm not
gonna jump on them, are you?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
What are the other players gonna think?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Rob? You know this.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Coaches have said the reason they, in.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
A lot of cases been able to jump on their
players is because the superstar would allow. We've heard Greg
Popovich literally thanked him Duncan for letting him coaching, because
if he can yell at and jump on Duncan.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Everybody else has the fall in line.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I had one coach tell me once Rob, he went
to his star player before practice, said I'm gonna jump
on you today. Got nothing to do with you, but
I need to send a message to these other guys
and get them in line.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
So I'm gonna come at you hard.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Just you know, no, it ain't you know, it's not
about you and all that, And then that's what happened.
And so if Lebron and a D are not getting
you know, coached as hard as everybody else.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
How's that gonna sit?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
And Rob, to be honest, they I mean, Dan Hurley
is known for practicing hard, and he's used to practice
it more than playing games in college and a D
and Lebron one's injury prone, one's forty, they don't need
to be practicing that heart. But again, if they're not
going that hard, how is that gonna translate to the
(31:10):
other guys?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
And then the system. Look, u CON's offense this year
was incredible. Ball watched them, Rob, ball player movement all.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
I mean, it was just everybody's in motion.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That's not what Lebron is used to doing in his
career ever, and he certainly I don't see him starting
at at forty running ball screens and screening here and.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Popping here and screen Now.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Hurley hasn't always coached that way Rhode Island, early Yukon,
so I think he can adjust and come up with
something to fit Lebron in ad You know what, those are.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Just some questions I have. I will quickly Rob.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I think it'll be great for BRONI assuming they draft him,
and great for Ruiy Hotchimore Austin Reeves Jervan like the
young guys.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
He will make them better.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
And I'm not saying he won't work well with Lebron
and Ad, but I got question marks about that.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
I think the best coaches are one who can adapt.
You can't take a system and force everybody in it.
I always thought agreed. That's why pat Riley's job with
the Knicks Chris was phenomenal. They didn't win a championship,
but he didn't have the players that he had with
the Lakers, and he took what he had and turned
that around him. I right and said, I can't play
(32:29):
that way. They don't have any showtime players, right.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
You know, Rob He was viewed as kind of I mean,
he did a great job with the Lakers, obviously, but
he was kind of viewed as.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
A role out the ball, right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And then he went actually got Kareem Worthy, and then
with the Knicks he played an entirely different style with
That's what I'm saying, tough defense because he had to
use the players that he had.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
And that's what coaching is, Chris, What can I get
the best out of out of what I have Popovich.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Has done that. Rob, Mike D'Antoni didn't. Mike D'Antoni, I
think very good. Coach changed the game to some degree,
but everywhere he went, Rob, you're gonna play with you
play the same way, and it didn't work everywhere because
it's like we don't have those guys. So I like
it better than Reddick, like you said, but I do
think there are some question marks.
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