June 10, 2024 • 36 mins
Chris and Rob debate whether Dan Hurley will wind up regretting passing up on his chance to coach the Los Angeles Lakers and tell us if Team USA Women’s Basketball made a mistake by leaving Cailtin Clark off their Olympic roster. Plus, NBC Sports Boston and Peacock host Michael Holley swings by to discuss whether Jayson Tatum is still the Celtics’ best player, the narrative that this current Boston squad is one of the greatest teams of all-time, what has to go wrong for the Celtics to lose these NBA Finals to Dallas and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brushaw and Rob Harker.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
But it is I guess the self the Lakers loss
that Dan Hurley, the two time NCAA championship coach going
for three straight at Yukon this upcoming season, has turned
down the Lakers offer Rod to be their head coach,
reportedly a six year, seventy million dollar offer. He turned
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it down would have made him like a top six coach,
highest paid coach in the NBA, maybe the fifth highest
pade in the league. And Rob, what are your thoughts
on Hurley turning down the Lakers?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Chris Broussard, Dan Hurley is much sugar, Naw, Dan Hurley
is crazy. Dan Hurley will regret this going forward.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
What are you thinking? Hello? Is this on.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Really Dan Hurley? The guy nobody knows? They know your brother,
Bobby Hurley better than you. I know you won two
national championship back to bag. You're won a three pete
in this college basketball, down trodden college basketball, b grade
college basketball.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
This is what you want. You want.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You didn't want to be the whole Anchelada in Los Angeles.
You'd rather stay and stores Connecticut, the armpit of Connecticut.
And instead you want to be small potatoes with no ketchup.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
That's what you want.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Wow, come on, man, here's a golden opportunity. Stand up
and be bigger. Don't worry about what other people did.
This was your chance. How about if he got Lebron
another championship. How if he took a D and the
Lakers forward like nobody else had, show us what you
got as a coach. You took the easy way out.
(02:28):
Let me stay here where nobody knows me. Nobody knows Dan,
Dan Harley, Hurly Hurly Dan.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
There you go. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You know nobody except for people at college basketball. I
just got told DoD nobody in college basketball except the.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Real people who are into it. Please, do you know what?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Everybody found out who he was when his name became
attached to the Lakers and what could be and the Ants, And.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
My home point is there comes a time when you want.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
To try something different, step out of your comfort zone,
make a real name for yourself. There's only been one
coach in the history you want to talk about trying
to do something different, which is winning a championship in
the NBA and in college.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Only one guy's done it, Larry Brown.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
If this was Charlotte, if this was some other downtroden organization, Chris,
I get that. I'm not going to Charlotte to go
get beat up for three years and then run out
of town.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Okay, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
This is the Los Angeles Lakers, this is the Yankees,
this is the Cowboys. You don't pass up opportunities to
work for franchises like that, with the history and the
lore that goes with it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Is a.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
This is a mistake and Dan Hurley will regret this
going forward when he doesn't win his third national championship,
and college basketball with the NIL and the way things
change will will.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Continue to drop down.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
You're staying at college basketball where they couldn't even beat
the women in the NCAA TV waitings, nobody even watches
college basketball, Chris, during the year, nobody they watched a tournament.
Very nice, nobody watches college basketball. You're passing up the
NBA and the being Los Angeles with all of the
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big time movers and shakers and all the stuff that
goes on.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I don't understand how that could happen. Wow. Well, look,
there is an argument.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
That you just made, and there are other reasons to
agree with what you said. Right, you get a chance
to coach Lebron James, arguably the best player to ever
play the game, And yeah, it would have been challenging
obviously Lebron. You know, when you coach him, they're all
types of expectations. But also he's still a great player.
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He's still a top fifteen to ten player in the league.
And of course you got Anthony Davis and some other
young players around him and Rob.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
As you said when you.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
His next offer, because he has said he wants to
coach in the NBA, his next offer might be from
Charlotte or some other struggling team, Washington or you know,
some franchise.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Chris, you know that right now.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He Look, it's possible he could get offered a better job,
but there's a chance that it'll be one of those
weak jobs because they're in a bad shape and need
somebody to come in. He said about a week ago
on the Mike Francis's podcast, Rob This Mike, You never
miss that Francesa Pockets. Well, here's what he says. I
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do aspire one day. This is Dan Hurley if the
right NBA situation were to come along to really test myself.
Where an organization wants a tone setter to come in
and instill a culture. Here's the key with young players
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and an organization that wants to pursue championships. So it
sounds like Rob he you know, and we've talked about
this was kind of a two pronged job. Offer one
coach Lebron and ad for the next few years, and
then once they're gone, it's like, okay, now build a
program that's challenging. But that seemed to be what it
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was like, and that seems to be what you know,
he's attracted to, like, let me build a young program
and set in my image and then get this thing going.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I think, look, he did what he wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I remember, Rob, I told you when the offer came out,
the news that it broke that it came out or
not the offer, but that they were talking to him.
I said, there was a theory going around and some
of the people I talked in the league it was
pure speculation, I was told.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
But they thought maybe.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
This was Hurly or they thought more than maybe that
they didn't see him in LA and they felt like
this was to get you Khan to pay him more money.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
And the second part for them.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Was JJ Reddick may be asking for too much, and
they want to let him know, Look, you're not even
our first choice, so you come here for less money.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
That's a whole nother store issue.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
But it Rob, it just seems like he didn't want
to go to La as wife's from these cause remember
Kentucky offered him eleven million, and so that's about what
the Lakers offered him, six years, seventy million. I think
the Lakers should have offered him more, I said last week.
Rob should have been between fourteen and fifteen million a year.
Enough of a contract, seven years, one hundred million, something
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like that where he knows he's got the security to
run the team and the program the way he wants to.
He's not gonna be at any player's whim he will
have the security. They'll have to back him because he's
got so many years and so much money. So we
were the reports, Robert, that it was a long term,
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oh lucrative over like the Lakers were preparing the granddaddy
of all offers. And yet they didn't even offer him
as much as mine Williams got from Detroit.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Well, that was a ridiculous, cause. Yeah, so I.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Think they should have offered him more money, not more
than Steve Kerr's making seventeen and a half money, not
more than Greg Popovich's making sixteen, but fourteen fifteen million
in that range. He is a two time champion at
the NCAA level, and I thought that would have got
it done. The fact that I'm baffled that they thought
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that this offer would get him, and so obviously they didn't.
Their their theories. Also, my partner Nick right on first things.
First things, they really didn't want him. They just want
the name out there and look, you know, make it
look like they were going for the big fish or whatever.
But I don't know, Robert, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I don't they offered them seventy million dollars to say
that they didn't want them seventy million dollars for a
god that most people don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, I don't know why you keep saying most people
don't know most people know.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I'm about the general the general public that doesn't really know.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
But not didn't everybody's goal. It's known in basketball. I
was one of the top basketball families in the country.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, I'm just saying I don't. I don't think that
that's the case. I just don't. I think he doesn't
want the he doesn't want the smoke. He doesn't want
the real opportunity to do something. You could go back
to Connecticut. That's comfortable, that's all, and it might work
out with Nil. It might not work out. He may
never win again, but he might be here. You got
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which is the.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Top program recruiting class coming back in I mean, I
get it in college basketball even quite what it used
to be. But he's still I mean, he's the king
of college basketball right now, and he'll get other offers
they now. You say it might not be as good
as the Lakers, but I also think they should have
offered more money.
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Speaker 1 (11:38):
Our next guest, as I said, goes back decades with
both of us. He's now NBC Sports Boston host of
Brother from Another on Pete Cock Our man, Michael Holly.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
What's up, brother Mike?
Speaker 7 (11:53):
Well, first of all, much love to you both. Rob
Parker coming through in the clutch. You know what I'm
talking about?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Man?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
What? And Chris Sorry, happy anniversary.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Thank you mama. Twenty nine years, twenty nine years and
it's two and his two daughters of thirty five. I'm
just saying twenty six for.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
The thirtieth anniversary. I hope you're working on the book
right now. I hope you got the manuscript thirty eight
thirty years and giving us some advice on how you
got to thirty years. Man, the work right now.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I've thought about it, because you're right, that's unique. Nowadays
it's too late. My marriage is over. What are you
trying to say?
Speaker 7 (12:39):
Well, you can learn, you can learn for the next one,
or you can let it could have been better, Mike.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
The problem for Rob is he's only looking at twenty
five choir Chris. I've been out with Rob anything over thirty.
He not even like you can't even get a second
look from him.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Man, But I know. But the sad part is the
only time I hear woman call me daddy is after
she gets to approval on my MasterCard. That's the sad.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But Michael Holly a star up in the Boston area. Man,
So look, did you and we the series not over?
But obviously the Celtics are in control right now up two?
Oh did you feel all season that this was the
team to win the championship?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Like I've been doubtful.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I thought they'd definitely get out of the East, but
I did not think they were the best team.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
In the league. I love them.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
It maze to be seen, but they look like it
right now. Have you believed in them all year? And
if so, why?
Speaker 7 (13:39):
I have believed in them all year? With one exception.
Now they had and it seems like five years ago now.
They had two games just like everybody else in the
East with the Western Conference, but two games against Denver.
They lost both of those games, close games, and in
the last game that they lost to Denver, you know
that came down to the wire, but Denver came through.
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And I was watching Porzingis versus Jokis, and I know,
nobody really can check Joki, right, but Porzingis could not
even hold him away from the basket, and it was
such a mismatch. I said, oh, man, this is gonna
be a problem if they get to the finals, because
I really thought I thought it was gonna be Denver
in Boston, right, and I felt like Boston had the
best record, but Denver was the best team. Well we
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know that didn't work out for Denver this year. So
with Denver out of the way, I thought, yes, they
should have a pretty easy time of it because I
don't believe the Mavericks. It's easy to say it now,
but I didn't go into the series. I didn't think
the Mavericks were a good matchup. I had a good
matchup with Boston.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
What about Jason Tatum, what's going on with him and
his shooting?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Update?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Anchor just said, like, some of the worst shooting numbers
in an NBA Finals. What's the problem here? Because he's
playings doing the other stuff.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
But man, yeah, I thought so. He shot about thirty
three in his first finals against the Warriors, and I
think that was a combination of Hey, he had no
idea what was coming. The Warriors did a great job
against them, and at times the moment got to be
too much for him. Honestly, in twenty twenty two. This year,
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it is Dallas doing a great job of doubling him,
and his shooting is off. He's missing. You missed at
the rim. You guys saw it last night. He was
like sixty seven shots at the rim. They weren't bad shots.
The only bad shot he took last night was not
He was one for seven from three. The only bad
shot he took was about a fourteen or fifteen footer,
like a turnaround. But pretty much he was missing shots.
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But he made a lot of plays in the paint
when they were doubling him. He kicked off the Drew
holiday holiday was finished. So it's not one of those
six for twenty twos and you say what's wrong with him?
It was a six for twenty two, but he did
have nine boards and twelve assists, so he's playing well
even though the SHOT's my fault.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You saw Jason Kidds say that Jalen Brown is their
best player. I think Rob and I think it was games.
Doesn't we still feel this Tatum although it's you know,
it's close between him and Jalen. Where are you at
on that? Do you think that is questionable now whether Tatum.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Is their best player?
Speaker 7 (16:17):
No, I think it's statum And give j Kidds credit.
He was like park Rob Parker out in the streets.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
What are you saying, Mike?
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Let me see, I'm just throwing out there. See what happened.
If it works, if it works, genius?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Hey, how you how are you supposed to survive for
forty years in this business?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
What do you want? What do you want me to do?
Speaker 7 (16:45):
You trying to sew a little discord, And I think
it was a good attempt on kids part, because that's
the only question. The only question is does it matter
to these guys? Does it matter if Jalen Brown is
the MVP, the finals MVP and they win the championship?
Would that be a problem Because if that's not, if
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that's not an issue with the Celtics. Really, if you
look at the Mavericks, you guys, tell me who's their
best individual defender. I just think they don't have that guy.
They don't have that right. Who can just say okay,
I'll take Tatum by myself like Jalen Brown picking up
Luca full Court? Who could do that on Tatum on
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the Mavericks and survive? Who could do that on Brown
and survive on the Mavericks. So it's I think it's
just a math problem that Jason Kidds sees. It's just
going to be really tough. The Celtics would have to
have a miserable, an all around miserable night to lose
the series. I think they had a miserable shooting night.
They did and they survived it. So that was That's
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got to be a blow to in the morale of
the Mavericks, right that everything's just supposed to do. Tatum
six or twenty two ten for thirty nine as a team.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Pen for thirty nine, that is just wow.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
Luca triple double and you lose, you lose? Right?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
How about I think Porzingis.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I think if he doesn't do anything, and I'm not
saying he gets zero's across the board, if he doesn't
do anything else, his performance in Game one was big.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I don't think anybody knew what to expect from him.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Chris and Mike kN played in the wall, you know
what I mean, And he came out twenty points in
twenty minutes, and you just might need that to get
them off the Schneider and get you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
In game one? Win game one, and then he didn't
have to be great. He just needs to be pretty good.
Is that fair?
Speaker 7 (18:38):
I think that's fair. But now the question is what
happens for game three? Because he got hurt down the
stretch last night five minutes to go with games. You
can see him just laboring up and down the court.
He took him out and he didn't go back in
what happens for game three? I know some people at
Boston say, oh, we don't need him, we don't we
got him, got him. I'm not sure. I'm not sure
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you can or it won't be that easy because it's
not just Porzingis and the points. It's Porzingis what he
does for Al Horford. So if Porzingis is out there
giving you twenty, even if it's twenty minutes, then that
means Horford doesn't have to go over thirty five forty Horford.
You know, last night, still in the twenties with minutes,
he's good when he's in that range. Anytime he starts
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to creep over the thirty minutes, he's thirty eight. Anytime
he starts to creep over thirty minutes, you can see
the diminishing return. So I think you need porzingis just
to keep al Horford press too.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Mike, your former newspaper to Boston Globe wrote before the
series that if the Celtics win this Championships, they will
be one of the best teams ever.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
The numbers will back them up. But I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Mike Holley's not working at the Globe anymore. I'm just say,
you know the game you cover.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You were governing the NBA before I was, So where
are you at on that assuming they win this series.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
I can't. I can't go there. I can't do it.
I know what analytics say is I know what the
net rating says. Okay, let's just start here. And I
think if you're talking about the best of all time,
this secon when we talk about the goat arguments, so
we're all talking about terrific players. So now we're starting
to nitpick just so we can get to an answer.
So yeah, they'll be a great team if they let's
say they sweep the Mavericks. I got to give them
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some love because if they sweep the Mavericks, that will
mean they had them. They finished the season with an
eleven game postseason winning streak, and they didn't lose a
game on the road. Okay, I'm not going to diminish that.
That's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
They know what they sound like the Texas Rangers from
last year, Chris, Remember they they didn't lose a road game.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Right, all right, But think about this in the first round.
If you're talking about like the opponents, the opponents have
to factor into it, like, let's say hall of famers.
So they got one Hall of Famer in the first round,
Bam bam out of Bio. No Jimmy Butlers.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Right.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Second round. I think we think Donovan Mitchell's gonna be
a Hall of Famer one day, but he missed two games. Okay, right,
third round? Maybe Tyree's halliburn to be a Hall of
Famer one day. He missed two games.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
No, but this is the nippicking that you doing. I
want to crown someone, damn. Is not a.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Definite exactly and so now you got two first ballon
Hall of Famers and Kyrie and Luca. Yeah, that that
works in your favorite But also it's the Celtics, guys,
So I can't even say they'd be the best team
in Celtics history. I agree, they win the championship.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
There you go. And that's why my short sided.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I think the only way I would ever consider them
among the best teams ever is if this team is
about to go on a nice little stretch and maybe
they win three out of five, three out of city,
you know what I mean, where Tatum and Brown really
become this duo that wins multiple championships.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
But just right now, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And I'm don't know that I see that happening, but
there's no way right now I'll put this team on
that level.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
And that's a good point. Like we could go back
and say, Okay, that first one, we didn't think so,
but then they had a three p Yeah, then okay,
then you start to think about it. But I thought
the same thing. Didn't you think the same thing last
year when when Denver one absolutely they got they got
the best player in the game. Oh, y'all get your murried.
They play off each other very well. Instead, Yeah, they
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lost some of those, they lost some of their complimentary pieces,
but the course still there. Yeah, man, this team might
have a couple of championships in them.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah, you're right. Is that fragile?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It really is all right, that's our man, Michael Holly
a man.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Tell your family we said.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Hello and listen both of you. Both of you back.
So Broussard came to visit on the vineyard last year,
you were nowhere to be found.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
It was wonderful. I know they Chris gave me the
wrong dates. You want me to ruin their trip? The
heat me the wrong dates.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
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Speaker 1 (23:18):
We're gonna stay there and talk about Caitlyn Clark big
news that she was left off of Team USA.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Here's what she said about it.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
Honestly, no disappointment, Like I think it just gives you
something something to work for. Loves a dream, you know,
hopefully to be there, And I think it's just a
little more motivation. You remember that and you know hopefully
in four years or four years, come knock around.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
You know, I can be there now.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
She did also according to her coach, text her coach
that they, meaning Team USA, woke up a monster.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
So she's playing on going on the tear. But Rob,
what are your thought? Do you think she should have
been on the team.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
No, I really don't. I think it's a big to
do about nothing, and I don't. This has never worked
this way, Chris. When you talk about the Olympic team,
we saw Shack being left off for Christian Latner and
all kinds of There are a lot of people like
who didn't make it to that, So this is not
isolated to her.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I don't believe in this whole thing. I got into
it with. I remember.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Ellie Day La Cruz came up Chris for the Reds
and he was lighting it up his first six weeks,
eight weeks in the Big Leg or whatever it was, right,
he was, Oh my god, he's a five to two player.
Oh ba, ba, this is what's wrong with baseball because
they don't have this guy. He should be at the
All Star Game? What are they doing? They're missing the
guy wound up batting two thirty five and having a
terrible second half and striking out almost every time up.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
And my point is it has to be earned, that's all.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
And the WNBA, Chris, they're trying to sell tickets, and
they're trying to They'll do whatever they need to do
in an exhibition or whatever. But these spots are supposed
to be coveted. They're supposed to be golden tickets. You're
supposed to work hard for a chance to represent your country.
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This is not about trying to promote the WNBA or
promote anybody. Other people have worked their butts off and opportunities,
you know, trying to make this team. And I don't
have a problem with it. I don't And Kaitlin, hats
off to her, Chris. That's a great response. She didn't
power to say.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Oh, well, you know, what are they doing.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm being disrespect you know what I mean, right, But
she just said, it's a dream of mine.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
It's a goal.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Maybe four years from now I can make it. It's
her response was very, very mature. I loved it because
that's the way you look at it. Everybody can't make
the team. Would it have been great, Chris, if she
was really one of the top twelve or fifteen players.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I don't know how many to take fifteen.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Or whatever, twelve twelve a smaller number. If she was
one of those twelve, they would have taken her. I mean,
there's no doubt in my mind that if she was
really at that level and had put into work and
they really believe, there's no there's not twelve other women,
you know, who should be on this team other than her,
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she would be on that team.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
I think we can't just hand people's stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I don't think that she got snubbed. I don't think
snubbed is the right word, because you.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Can justify, like, she's probably not.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
One of the best twelve American players in the world
right now. You could certainly argue that now Diana Tarassi
is forty one, forty two years old, she's not having
a great year. Her numbers are somewhat pretty similar to
Caitlyn Clark's. Clark's are probably a little bit better, so
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you you know, and but Tarassi is a legend. She's
probably not one of the best twelve players either, but
she is a legend, so it's fine for her to
be on the team.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
So I don't think snubbed is.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
The right word, although I could argue rob not that
she's the best top twelve player, But I do think
this bear is saying Kaylen Clark is not having the
bad year that some people think she is.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
All Right, she she's turned the ball over a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
She's turned the ball over lot, But I mean, I'm
not saying turnovers are irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
James Harden turned the ball over.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Lot the leading when he retired Magic and Isaiah they
were like the top two turnover guys in the league history.
I mean, when you have the ball like that, you're
gonna make some turnovers. And now she's gotta cut them down.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Five and a half is too many, but she's probably
even in her heydays, she's gonna probably average three and
a half to four turnovers a game. But she's fourth
in the league and assist with six and a half.
She's averaging sixteen, almost seventeen points a game, and rob
she over five rebounds. She is on pace in a
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rookie year to become only the fifth player in WNBA
history to average fifteen, five and five.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
In the season, not the fifth rookie, the fifth player.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And her shooting percentage, we look at it thirty seven percent,
and we think it's terrible. Check the check the records,
not record books, but check the stats of the guards
in the WNBA. That's about what they shoot. They a
lot of them shoot thirty seven percent. I think that's
exactly what Tarazi shooting, you know, So that's not She's
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having a better year than a lot of people are
giving her credit for.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Obviously, their team isn't winning. But all that said, Rob, where.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I disagree with you is that even though yes, you can,
the team is fine on who you're taking off all that,
this was a mistake not to put her on though,
because they I do think it was an opportunity to
grow women's professional basketball in America. We're going to win
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the gold. I don't care who the twelfth person is.
We won seven straight, We won fifty five straight games.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Are women. It's not like the men. The women dominate roight.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
They beat Japan by fifteen in the gold medal game.
The last time we're gonna win, we're gonna be routing teams.
So you could have easily put Caitlyn clarko Rock in
ninety two, the original Dream Team. Now they had to
have one college player. They picked Christian Latner over Shack.
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There was no Christian Layner was a phenomenal college player
his college. He was a phenomenal college player. But you
obviously could argue it should have been shocked. But I
and you don't always just pick the sheer twelve best players.
You try to build kind of a team. How are
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people gonna fit together? And I just think Rob, Caitlyn
Clark is a draw. Rightly or wrongly, agree with it
or not, she is a draw. And now I think
our women are gonna run through the competition, win the
gold medal, and nobody's gonna pay much attention. But if
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they had had Caitlyn Clark on that team, I think
people would have been paying a lot more attention.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
It would have just grown the game that much more.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
And so I just think Rob, from a pr standpoint,
that it was a mistake not to have her on
the team.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
That's my thought. Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I just I think you should keep it as something special.
You should make it so that people have to earn it.
And there you just said it. They're gonna win mcgallless.
I got that. So she's not going to change, especially
if you put on a team and then she's not
even really playing that much.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
What would be the purpose of that?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well, there was a report, you know, Naudine Brennan of course,
who said who reported that part of the reason that
they or she said there was a feeling among the
quote unquote decision makers that wasn't I don't think her
exact term that what how would the millions of this was,
this is direct millions of fans of Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
How would they react to her not playing now not
on the team, and then why won't they in they
would have.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Been routing these teams, so I think she would have
got good minutes. You know, she would have probably played
a decent amount because I think they'd be blowing these
teams out. But I also don't think that should be
I mean, if you're if you're looking at that negative pr,
if you will then look at the positive pr of
her being on a team, I'd rob I don't doubt that.
(32:04):
You know, there have been race and gender and all
types of things have been thrown into this mix. This
whole Caitlyn Clark thing is, you know, people are saying
all types of stuff and dividing into camps and stuff.
But I don't doubt that, Like if she was put
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on the team, and you make a good point, like
I'm not saying she's I don't think she's probably at
this point one of the twelve best players in the country.
You know, I don't think that's the case. But I
think had they there may have been some thinking. I'm
not gonna say they definitely feel this way, but has
she been put on the team? Rob there already are
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accusations that she's benefiting from white privilege. People only like
her because she's white, and she's getting benefited. You know,
they don't give to the black female players, and we
you and I have talked.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I called out the Chicago Tribune.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I thought that editorial they wrote where they called Kennedy
Carter's hit that was racist, period the end. As far
as I'm concerned, Yeah, I think Jill Biden inviting Iowa
to the White House, even though they lost in the championship,
was racist, rooted in racism, rooted in some white privilege
(33:25):
and all that. So I think there have been those,
but I wonder if the if they felt, well, if
we put her on the team, are we all is
it gonna be more accusations? Of white privilege, of racism
and things like that, and there may have been so
they may have looked at that pr wise Rob and said,
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we don't we getting enough of that right now. We
don't want to, you know, add fuel to the fire.
So I just think, though, Rob, I think all of
this publicity, all of this talk is good for the league,
And I think having her on the team would have
been good from a pr standboy, And she's not playing
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so horribly, not playing horribly at all. She's playing well
enough that yeah, they would be pushedback. But you also
could be like, hold up, she's about to become one
of five players in WNBA history to do this. She's
a runaway rookie of the year. It ain't even close,
all right. She's averaging seventeen and six and a half.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
You could put her numbers against up against some of
the better players in the league and see that they're
not that far behind or actually close. So I just
think it was a missed opportunity, Rob.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, I mean there be people who feel that way.
I just don't. I think you got to keep some integrity.
You just can't do the popular move. Chris and put
people in just because you think it's gonna be good.
I remember when I was against Puegue Chris, the same thing.
You remember when he came up with the Dodgers, Zosi
Peg Was it the new hotness? Yeah, everybody wanted him
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in the All Star Game. Their people are played and
put in their time, had better numbers, more at bats, Chris,
you know what I mean? Who deserved to be on
the All Star team before Yasio Puige despite the excitement
that he had, And eventually I think he did make it.
But it shouldn't be a gift because he's the hot
new hotness. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Rob, here's a little I mean, as you know, her
TV numbers are huge. Their team is averaging over fifteen
thousand fans a game that's home and road home, they're
averaging about seventeen thousand. The rest of the WNBA is
somewhere around seven eight thousand. This year, Clark and the
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Fever have already had the most viewed WNBA games ever
for ESPN two, ESPN plus Disney plus ABC, ES, CBS,
and NBA TV.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
People are tuning in. I just think they should have
tried to capitalize on this
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brushaw and Rob Harker.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
But it is I guess the self the Lakers loss
that Dan Hurley, the two time NCAA championship coach going
for three straight at Yukon this upcoming season, has turned
down the Lakers offer Rod to be their head coach,
reportedly a six year, seventy million dollar offer. He turned
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it down would have made him like a top six coach,
highest paid coach in the NBA, maybe the fifth highest
pade in the league. And Rob, what are your thoughts
on Hurley turning down the Lakers?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Chris Broussard, Dan Hurley is much sugar, Naw, Dan Hurley
is crazy. Dan Hurley will regret this going forward.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
What are you thinking? Hello? Is this on.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Really Dan Hurley? The guy nobody knows? They know your brother,
Bobby Hurley better than you. I know you won two
national championship back to bag. You're won a three pete
in this college basketball, down trodden college basketball, b grade
college basketball.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
This is what you want. You want.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You didn't want to be the whole Anchelada in Los Angeles.
You'd rather stay and stores Connecticut, the armpit of Connecticut.
And instead you want to be small potatoes with no ketchup.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
That's what you want.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Wow, come on, man, here's a golden opportunity. Stand up
and be bigger. Don't worry about what other people did.
This was your chance. How about if he got Lebron
another championship. How if he took a D and the
Lakers forward like nobody else had, show us what you
got as a coach. You took the easy way out.
(02:28):
Let me stay here where nobody knows me. Nobody knows Dan,
Dan Harley, Hurly Hurly Dan.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
There you go. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You know nobody except for people at college basketball. I
just got told DoD nobody in college basketball except the.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Real people who are into it. Please, do you know what?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Everybody found out who he was when his name became
attached to the Lakers and what could be and the Ants, And.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
My home point is there comes a time when you want.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
To try something different, step out of your comfort zone,
make a real name for yourself. There's only been one
coach in the history you want to talk about trying
to do something different, which is winning a championship in
the NBA and in college.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Only one guy's done it, Larry Brown.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
If this was Charlotte, if this was some other downtroden organization, Chris,
I get that. I'm not going to Charlotte to go
get beat up for three years and then run out
of town.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Okay, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
This is the Los Angeles Lakers, this is the Yankees,
this is the Cowboys. You don't pass up opportunities to
work for franchises like that, with the history and the
lore that goes with it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Is a.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
This is a mistake and Dan Hurley will regret this
going forward when he doesn't win his third national championship,
and college basketball with the NIL and the way things
change will will.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Continue to drop down.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
You're staying at college basketball where they couldn't even beat
the women in the NCAA TV waitings, nobody even watches
college basketball, Chris, during the year, nobody they watched a tournament.
Very nice, nobody watches college basketball. You're passing up the
NBA and the being Los Angeles with all of the
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big time movers and shakers and all the stuff that
goes on.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I don't understand how that could happen. Wow. Well, look,
there is an argument.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
That you just made, and there are other reasons to
agree with what you said. Right, you get a chance
to coach Lebron James, arguably the best player to ever
play the game, And yeah, it would have been challenging
obviously Lebron. You know, when you coach him, they're all
types of expectations. But also he's still a great player.
(05:14):
He's still a top fifteen to ten player in the league.
And of course you got Anthony Davis and some other
young players around him and Rob.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
As you said when you.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
His next offer, because he has said he wants to
coach in the NBA, his next offer might be from
Charlotte or some other struggling team, Washington or you know,
some franchise.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Chris, you know that right now.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He Look, it's possible he could get offered a better job,
but there's a chance that it'll be one of those
weak jobs because they're in a bad shape and need
somebody to come in. He said about a week ago
on the Mike Francis's podcast, Rob This Mike, You never
miss that Francesa Pockets. Well, here's what he says. I
(06:03):
do aspire one day. This is Dan Hurley if the
right NBA situation were to come along to really test myself.
Where an organization wants a tone setter to come in
and instill a culture. Here's the key with young players
(06:23):
and an organization that wants to pursue championships. So it
sounds like Rob he you know, and we've talked about
this was kind of a two pronged job. Offer one
coach Lebron and ad for the next few years, and
then once they're gone, it's like, okay, now build a
program that's challenging. But that seemed to be what it
(06:45):
was like, and that seems to be what you know,
he's attracted to, like, let me build a young program
and set in my image and then get this thing going.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I think, look, he did what he wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I remember, Rob, I told you when the offer came out,
the news that it broke that it came out or
not the offer, but that they were talking to him.
I said, there was a theory going around and some
of the people I talked in the league it was
pure speculation, I was told.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
But they thought maybe.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
This was Hurly or they thought more than maybe that
they didn't see him in LA and they felt like
this was to get you Khan to pay him more money.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
And the second part for them.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Was JJ Reddick may be asking for too much, and
they want to let him know, Look, you're not even
our first choice, so you come here for less money.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
That's a whole nother store issue.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
But it Rob, it just seems like he didn't want
to go to La as wife's from these cause remember
Kentucky offered him eleven million, and so that's about what
the Lakers offered him, six years, seventy million. I think
the Lakers should have offered him more, I said last week.
Rob should have been between fourteen and fifteen million a year.
Enough of a contract, seven years, one hundred million, something
(08:08):
like that where he knows he's got the security to
run the team and the program the way he wants to.
He's not gonna be at any player's whim he will
have the security. They'll have to back him because he's
got so many years and so much money. So we
were the reports, Robert, that it was a long term,
(08:29):
oh lucrative over like the Lakers were preparing the granddaddy
of all offers. And yet they didn't even offer him
as much as mine Williams got from Detroit.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Well, that was a ridiculous, cause. Yeah, so I.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Think they should have offered him more money, not more
than Steve Kerr's making seventeen and a half money, not
more than Greg Popovich's making sixteen, but fourteen fifteen million
in that range. He is a two time champion at
the NCAA level, and I thought that would have got
it done. The fact that I'm baffled that they thought
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that this offer would get him, and so obviously they didn't.
Their their theories. Also, my partner Nick right on first things.
First things, they really didn't want him. They just want
the name out there and look, you know, make it
look like they were going for the big fish or whatever.
But I don't know, Robert, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I don't they offered them seventy million dollars to say
that they didn't want them seventy million dollars for a
god that most people don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, I don't know why you keep saying most people
don't know most people know.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I'm about the general the general public that doesn't really know.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
But not didn't everybody's goal. It's known in basketball. I
was one of the top basketball families in the country.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, I'm just saying I don't. I don't think that
that's the case. I just don't. I think he doesn't
want the he doesn't want the smoke. He doesn't want
the real opportunity to do something. You could go back
to Connecticut. That's comfortable, that's all, and it might work
out with Nil. It might not work out. He may
never win again, but he might be here. You got
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which is the.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Top program recruiting class coming back in I mean, I
get it in college basketball even quite what it used
to be. But he's still I mean, he's the king
of college basketball right now, and he'll get other offers
they now. You say it might not be as good
as the Lakers, but I also think they should have
offered more money.
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Yeah, you blubber lit me.
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Speaker 1 (11:38):
Our next guest, as I said, goes back decades with
both of us. He's now NBC Sports Boston host of
Brother from Another on Pete Cock Our man, Michael Holly.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
What's up, brother Mike?
Speaker 7 (11:53):
Well, first of all, much love to you both. Rob
Parker coming through in the clutch. You know what I'm
talking about?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Man?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
What? And Chris Sorry, happy anniversary.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Thank you mama. Twenty nine years, twenty nine years and
it's two and his two daughters of thirty five. I'm
just saying twenty six for.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
The thirtieth anniversary. I hope you're working on the book
right now. I hope you got the manuscript thirty eight
thirty years and giving us some advice on how you
got to thirty years. Man, the work right now.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I've thought about it, because you're right, that's unique. Nowadays
it's too late. My marriage is over. What are you
trying to say?
Speaker 7 (12:39):
Well, you can learn, you can learn for the next one,
or you can let it could have been better, Mike.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
The problem for Rob is he's only looking at twenty
five choir Chris. I've been out with Rob anything over thirty.
He not even like you can't even get a second
look from him.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Man, But I know. But the sad part is the
only time I hear woman call me daddy is after
she gets to approval on my MasterCard. That's the sad.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But Michael Holly a star up in the Boston area. Man,
So look, did you and we the series not over?
But obviously the Celtics are in control right now up two?
Oh did you feel all season that this was the
team to win the championship?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Like I've been doubtful.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I thought they'd definitely get out of the East, but
I did not think they were the best team.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
In the league. I love them.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
It maze to be seen, but they look like it
right now. Have you believed in them all year? And
if so, why?
Speaker 7 (13:39):
I have believed in them all year? With one exception.
Now they had and it seems like five years ago now.
They had two games just like everybody else in the
East with the Western Conference, but two games against Denver.
They lost both of those games, close games, and in
the last game that they lost to Denver, you know
that came down to the wire, but Denver came through.
(14:01):
And I was watching Porzingis versus Jokis, and I know,
nobody really can check Joki, right, but Porzingis could not
even hold him away from the basket, and it was
such a mismatch. I said, oh, man, this is gonna
be a problem if they get to the finals, because
I really thought I thought it was gonna be Denver
in Boston, right, and I felt like Boston had the
best record, but Denver was the best team. Well we
(14:23):
know that didn't work out for Denver this year. So
with Denver out of the way, I thought, yes, they
should have a pretty easy time of it because I
don't believe the Mavericks. It's easy to say it now,
but I didn't go into the series. I didn't think
the Mavericks were a good matchup. I had a good
matchup with Boston.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
What about Jason Tatum, what's going on with him and
his shooting?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Update?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Anchor just said, like, some of the worst shooting numbers
in an NBA Finals. What's the problem here? Because he's
playings doing the other stuff.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
But man, yeah, I thought so. He shot about thirty
three in his first finals against the Warriors, and I
think that was a combination of Hey, he had no
idea what was coming. The Warriors did a great job
against them, and at times the moment got to be
too much for him. Honestly, in twenty twenty two. This year,
(15:17):
it is Dallas doing a great job of doubling him,
and his shooting is off. He's missing. You missed at
the rim. You guys saw it last night. He was
like sixty seven shots at the rim. They weren't bad shots.
The only bad shot he took last night was not
He was one for seven from three. The only bad
shot he took was about a fourteen or fifteen footer,
like a turnaround. But pretty much he was missing shots.
(15:40):
But he made a lot of plays in the paint
when they were doubling him. He kicked off the Drew
holiday holiday was finished. So it's not one of those
six for twenty twos and you say what's wrong with him?
It was a six for twenty two, but he did
have nine boards and twelve assists, so he's playing well
even though the SHOT's my fault.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You saw Jason Kidds say that Jalen Brown is their
best player. I think Rob and I think it was games.
Doesn't we still feel this Tatum although it's you know,
it's close between him and Jalen. Where are you at
on that? Do you think that is questionable now whether Tatum.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Is their best player?
Speaker 7 (16:17):
No, I think it's statum And give j Kidds credit.
He was like park Rob Parker out in the streets.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
What are you saying, Mike?
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Let me see, I'm just throwing out there. See what happened.
If it works, if it works, genius?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Hey, how you how are you supposed to survive for
forty years in this business?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
What do you want? What do you want me to do?
Speaker 7 (16:45):
You trying to sew a little discord, And I think
it was a good attempt on kids part, because that's
the only question. The only question is does it matter
to these guys? Does it matter if Jalen Brown is
the MVP, the finals MVP and they win the championship?
Would that be a problem Because if that's not, if
(17:06):
that's not an issue with the Celtics. Really, if you
look at the Mavericks, you guys, tell me who's their
best individual defender. I just think they don't have that guy.
They don't have that right. Who can just say okay,
I'll take Tatum by myself like Jalen Brown picking up
Luca full Court? Who could do that on Tatum on
(17:26):
the Mavericks and survive? Who could do that on Brown
and survive on the Mavericks. So it's I think it's
just a math problem that Jason Kidds sees. It's just
going to be really tough. The Celtics would have to
have a miserable, an all around miserable night to lose
the series. I think they had a miserable shooting night.
They did and they survived it. So that was That's
(17:49):
got to be a blow to in the morale of
the Mavericks, right that everything's just supposed to do. Tatum
six or twenty two ten for thirty nine as a team.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Pen for thirty nine, that is just wow.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
Luca triple double and you lose, you lose? Right?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
How about I think Porzingis.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I think if he doesn't do anything, and I'm not
saying he gets zero's across the board, if he doesn't
do anything else, his performance in Game one was big.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I don't think anybody knew what to expect from him.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Chris and Mike kN played in the wall, you know
what I mean, And he came out twenty points in
twenty minutes, and you just might need that to get
them off the Schneider and get you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
In game one? Win game one, and then he didn't
have to be great. He just needs to be pretty good.
Is that fair?
Speaker 7 (18:38):
I think that's fair. But now the question is what
happens for game three? Because he got hurt down the
stretch last night five minutes to go with games. You
can see him just laboring up and down the court.
He took him out and he didn't go back in
what happens for game three? I know some people at
Boston say, oh, we don't need him, we don't we
got him, got him. I'm not sure. I'm not sure
(19:00):
you can or it won't be that easy because it's
not just Porzingis and the points. It's Porzingis what he
does for Al Horford. So if Porzingis is out there
giving you twenty, even if it's twenty minutes, then that
means Horford doesn't have to go over thirty five forty Horford.
You know, last night, still in the twenties with minutes,
he's good when he's in that range. Anytime he starts
(19:22):
to creep over the thirty minutes, he's thirty eight. Anytime
he starts to creep over thirty minutes, you can see
the diminishing return. So I think you need porzingis just
to keep al Horford press too.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Mike, your former newspaper to Boston Globe wrote before the
series that if the Celtics win this Championships, they will
be one of the best teams ever.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
The numbers will back them up. But I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Mike Holley's not working at the Globe anymore. I'm just say,
you know the game you cover.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You were governing the NBA before I was, So where
are you at on that assuming they win this series.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
I can't. I can't go there. I can't do it.
I know what analytics say is I know what the
net rating says. Okay, let's just start here. And I
think if you're talking about the best of all time,
this secon when we talk about the goat arguments, so
we're all talking about terrific players. So now we're starting
to nitpick just so we can get to an answer.
So yeah, they'll be a great team if they let's
say they sweep the Mavericks. I got to give them
(20:22):
some love because if they sweep the Mavericks, that will
mean they had them. They finished the season with an
eleven game postseason winning streak, and they didn't lose a
game on the road. Okay, I'm not going to diminish that.
That's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
They know what they sound like the Texas Rangers from
last year, Chris, Remember they they didn't lose a road game.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Right, all right, But think about this in the first round.
If you're talking about like the opponents, the opponents have
to factor into it, like, let's say hall of famers.
So they got one Hall of Famer in the first round,
Bam bam out of Bio. No Jimmy Butlers.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Right.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Second round. I think we think Donovan Mitchell's gonna be
a Hall of Famer one day, but he missed two games. Okay, right,
third round? Maybe Tyree's halliburn to be a Hall of
Famer one day. He missed two games.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
No, but this is the nippicking that you doing. I
want to crown someone, damn. Is not a.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Definite exactly and so now you got two first ballon
Hall of Famers and Kyrie and Luca. Yeah, that that
works in your favorite But also it's the Celtics, guys,
So I can't even say they'd be the best team
in Celtics history. I agree, they win the championship.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
There you go. And that's why my short sided.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I think the only way I would ever consider them
among the best teams ever is if this team is
about to go on a nice little stretch and maybe
they win three out of five, three out of city,
you know what I mean, where Tatum and Brown really
become this duo that wins multiple championships.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
But just right now, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And I'm don't know that I see that happening, but
there's no way right now I'll put this team on
that level.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
And that's a good point. Like we could go back
and say, Okay, that first one, we didn't think so,
but then they had a three p Yeah, then okay,
then you start to think about it. But I thought
the same thing. Didn't you think the same thing last
year when when Denver one absolutely they got they got
the best player in the game. Oh, y'all get your murried.
They play off each other very well. Instead, Yeah, they
(22:27):
lost some of those, they lost some of their complimentary pieces,
but the course still there. Yeah, man, this team might
have a couple of championships in them.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah, you're right. Is that fragile?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It really is all right, that's our man, Michael Holly
a man.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Tell your family we said.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Hello and listen both of you. Both of you back.
So Broussard came to visit on the vineyard last year,
you were nowhere to be found.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
It was wonderful. I know they Chris gave me the
wrong dates. You want me to ruin their trip? The
heat me the wrong dates.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
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Speaker 1 (23:18):
We're gonna stay there and talk about Caitlyn Clark big
news that she was left off of Team USA.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Here's what she said about it.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
Honestly, no disappointment, Like I think it just gives you
something something to work for. Loves a dream, you know,
hopefully to be there, And I think it's just a
little more motivation. You remember that and you know hopefully
in four years or four years, come knock around.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
You know, I can be there now.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
She did also according to her coach, text her coach
that they, meaning Team USA, woke up a monster.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
So she's playing on going on the tear. But Rob,
what are your thought? Do you think she should have
been on the team.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
No, I really don't. I think it's a big to
do about nothing, and I don't. This has never worked
this way, Chris. When you talk about the Olympic team,
we saw Shack being left off for Christian Latner and
all kinds of There are a lot of people like
who didn't make it to that, So this is not
isolated to her.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I don't believe in this whole thing. I got into
it with. I remember.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Ellie Day La Cruz came up Chris for the Reds
and he was lighting it up his first six weeks,
eight weeks in the Big Leg or whatever it was, right,
he was, Oh my god, he's a five to two player.
Oh ba, ba, this is what's wrong with baseball because
they don't have this guy. He should be at the
All Star Game? What are they doing? They're missing the
guy wound up batting two thirty five and having a
terrible second half and striking out almost every time up.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
And my point is it has to be earned, that's all.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
And the WNBA, Chris, they're trying to sell tickets, and
they're trying to They'll do whatever they need to do
in an exhibition or whatever. But these spots are supposed
to be coveted. They're supposed to be golden tickets. You're
supposed to work hard for a chance to represent your country.
(25:11):
This is not about trying to promote the WNBA or
promote anybody. Other people have worked their butts off and opportunities,
you know, trying to make this team. And I don't
have a problem with it. I don't And Kaitlin, hats
off to her, Chris. That's a great response. She didn't
power to say.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Oh, well, you know, what are they doing.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm being disrespect you know what I mean, right, But
she just said, it's a dream of mine.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
It's a goal.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Maybe four years from now I can make it. It's
her response was very, very mature. I loved it because
that's the way you look at it. Everybody can't make
the team. Would it have been great, Chris, if she
was really one of the top twelve or fifteen players.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I don't know how many to take fifteen.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Or whatever, twelve twelve a smaller number. If she was
one of those twelve, they would have taken her. I mean,
there's no doubt in my mind that if she was
really at that level and had put into work and
they really believe, there's no there's not twelve other women,
you know, who should be on this team other than her,
(26:19):
she would be on that team.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
I think we can't just hand people's stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I don't think that she got snubbed. I don't think
snubbed is the right word, because you.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Can justify, like, she's probably not.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
One of the best twelve American players in the world
right now. You could certainly argue that now Diana Tarassi
is forty one, forty two years old, she's not having
a great year. Her numbers are somewhat pretty similar to
Caitlyn Clark's. Clark's are probably a little bit better, so
(26:55):
you you know, and but Tarassi is a legend. She's
probably not one of the best twelve players either, but
she is a legend, so it's fine for her to
be on the team.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
So I don't think snubbed is.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
The right word, although I could argue rob not that
she's the best top twelve player, But I do think
this bear is saying Kaylen Clark is not having the
bad year that some people think she is.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
All Right, she she's turned the ball over a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
She's turned the ball over lot, But I mean, I'm
not saying turnovers are irrelevant.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
James Harden turned the ball over.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Lot the leading when he retired Magic and Isaiah they
were like the top two turnover guys in the league history.
I mean, when you have the ball like that, you're
gonna make some turnovers. And now she's gotta cut them down.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Five and a half is too many, but she's probably
even in her heydays, she's gonna probably average three and
a half to four turnovers a game. But she's fourth
in the league and assist with six and a half.
She's averaging sixteen, almost seventeen points a game, and rob
she over five rebounds. She is on pace in a
(28:03):
rookie year to become only the fifth player in WNBA
history to average fifteen, five and five.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
In the season, not the fifth rookie, the fifth player.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And her shooting percentage, we look at it thirty seven percent,
and we think it's terrible. Check the check the records,
not record books, but check the stats of the guards
in the WNBA. That's about what they shoot. They a
lot of them shoot thirty seven percent. I think that's
exactly what Tarazi shooting, you know, So that's not She's
(28:40):
having a better year than a lot of people are
giving her credit for.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Obviously, their team isn't winning. But all that said, Rob, where.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I disagree with you is that even though yes, you can,
the team is fine on who you're taking off all that,
this was a mistake not to put her on though,
because they I do think it was an opportunity to
grow women's professional basketball in America. We're going to win
(29:10):
the gold. I don't care who the twelfth person is.
We won seven straight, We won fifty five straight games.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Are women. It's not like the men. The women dominate roight.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
They beat Japan by fifteen in the gold medal game.
The last time we're gonna win, we're gonna be routing teams.
So you could have easily put Caitlyn clarko Rock in
ninety two, the original Dream Team. Now they had to
have one college player. They picked Christian Latner over Shack.
(29:45):
There was no Christian Layner was a phenomenal college player
his college. He was a phenomenal college player. But you
obviously could argue it should have been shocked. But I
and you don't always just pick the sheer twelve best players.
You try to build kind of a team. How are
(30:05):
people gonna fit together? And I just think Rob, Caitlyn
Clark is a draw. Rightly or wrongly, agree with it
or not, she is a draw. And now I think
our women are gonna run through the competition, win the
gold medal, and nobody's gonna pay much attention. But if
(30:28):
they had had Caitlyn Clark on that team, I think
people would have been paying a lot more attention.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
It would have just grown the game that much more.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
And so I just think Rob, from a pr standpoint,
that it was a mistake not to have her on
the team.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
That's my thought. Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I just I think you should keep it as something special.
You should make it so that people have to earn it.
And there you just said it. They're gonna win mcgallless.
I got that. So she's not going to change, especially
if you put on a team and then she's not
even really playing that much.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
What would be the purpose of that?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well, there was a report, you know, Naudine Brennan of course,
who said who reported that part of the reason that
they or she said there was a feeling among the
quote unquote decision makers that wasn't I don't think her
exact term that what how would the millions of this was,
this is direct millions of fans of Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
How would they react to her not playing now not
on the team, and then why won't they in they
would have.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Been routing these teams, so I think she would have
got good minutes. You know, she would have probably played
a decent amount because I think they'd be blowing these
teams out. But I also don't think that should be
I mean, if you're if you're looking at that negative pr,
if you will then look at the positive pr of
her being on a team, I'd rob I don't doubt that.
(32:04):
You know, there have been race and gender and all
types of things have been thrown into this mix. This
whole Caitlyn Clark thing is, you know, people are saying
all types of stuff and dividing into camps and stuff.
But I don't doubt that, Like if she was put
(32:24):
on the team, and you make a good point, like
I'm not saying she's I don't think she's probably at
this point one of the twelve best players in the country.
You know, I don't think that's the case. But I
think had they there may have been some thinking. I'm
not gonna say they definitely feel this way, but has
she been put on the team? Rob there already are
(32:45):
accusations that she's benefiting from white privilege. People only like
her because she's white, and she's getting benefited. You know,
they don't give to the black female players, and we
you and I have talked.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I called out the Chicago Tribune.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I thought that editorial they wrote where they called Kennedy
Carter's hit that was racist, period the end. As far
as I'm concerned, Yeah, I think Jill Biden inviting Iowa
to the White House, even though they lost in the championship,
was racist, rooted in racism, rooted in some white privilege
(33:25):
and all that. So I think there have been those,
but I wonder if the if they felt, well, if
we put her on the team, are we all is
it gonna be more accusations? Of white privilege, of racism
and things like that, and there may have been so
they may have looked at that pr wise Rob and said,
(33:47):
we don't we getting enough of that right now. We
don't want to, you know, add fuel to the fire.
So I just think, though, Rob, I think all of
this publicity, all of this talk is good for the league,
And I think having her on the team would have
been good from a pr standboy, And she's not playing
(34:09):
so horribly, not playing horribly at all. She's playing well
enough that yeah, they would be pushedback. But you also
could be like, hold up, she's about to become one
of five players in WNBA history to do this. She's
a runaway rookie of the year. It ain't even close,
all right. She's averaging seventeen and six and a half.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
You could put her numbers against up against some of
the better players in the league and see that they're
not that far behind or actually close. So I just
think it was a missed opportunity, Rob.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, I mean there be people who feel that way.
I just don't. I think you got to keep some integrity.
You just can't do the popular move. Chris and put
people in just because you think it's gonna be good.
I remember when I was against Puegue Chris, the same thing.
You remember when he came up with the Dodgers, Zosi
Peg Was it the new hotness? Yeah, everybody wanted him
(35:03):
in the All Star Game. Their people are played and
put in their time, had better numbers, more at bats, Chris,
you know what I mean? Who deserved to be on
the All Star team before Yasio Puige despite the excitement
that he had, And eventually I think he did make it.
But it shouldn't be a gift because he's the hot
new hotness. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Rob, here's a little I mean, as you know, her
TV numbers are huge. Their team is averaging over fifteen
thousand fans a game that's home and road home, they're
averaging about seventeen thousand. The rest of the WNBA is
somewhere around seven eight thousand. This year, Clark and the
(35:46):
Fever have already had the most viewed WNBA games ever
for ESPN two, ESPN plus Disney plus ABC, ES, CBS,
and NBA TV.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
People are tuning in. I just think they should have
tried to capitalize on this
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