June 10, 2024 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob discuss Kyrie Irving’s ongoing struggles against the Boston Celtics and explain why it’s unreasonable to suggest that Shohei Ohtani is the best player in baseball right now. Plus, NBC Sports Boston and Peacock host Michael Holley swings by to discuss whether Jayson Tatum is still the Celtics’ best player, the narrative that this current Boston squad is one of the greatest teams of all-time, what has to go wrong for the Celtics to lose these NBA Finals to Dallas and much more!
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join us in about thirty minutes. But Rob, let's get
back to these NBA Finals. And as we've said, the
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Celtics up two oh on the Dallas Mavericks and looking real,
real strong and their star Jason Tatum, their their best player,
their first team All NBA player, their MVP candidate player
hasn't even gotten it going. Rob, They're up two to Oh.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
That's scary, Chris, that's a scary part.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It is scary. It is scary. And the team is
that they're shooting thirty two from three as.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
A team, I was gonna say, And it's not like
they lighting it up, like right, they're not lighting it up.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Their defense is really carrying them and their balance.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
They they and we mentioned, you know, they kind of
remind us a little, but not stylistically, although both were
great defensive team.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
The Pistons, Christ you know that were a defensive team.
We're talking about the two thousand and four Pistons, yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And obviously the Celtics are defensive team. But Rob, the
Celtics so far through two games are the first team
since the nineteen eighty seven LA Lakers of Magic Kareem
Worthy Byrons, Scott so On and so forth, the first
team since then nineteen eighty seven?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
What is that thirty seven years.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
For through the first two games of the finals to
have five players average more than fifteen points a game
or fifteen or more points a game. They've got six
to five guys averaging sixteen or more points.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
It's incredible. It is talking about balance.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Jalen Brown Rob twenty one and a half, Drew Holliday nineteen,
Jason Tatum seventh.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
We know what Drew Holiday brings. Chrism both ends of
the floor.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Rob, I think he's the MVP right now. He might
be Finals MVP. I mean it's closed. I think Jalen second.
But when I look like you said, he's given you
nineteen points, nine and a half boards, four assists, sixty
five percent shooting and Rob, he is the main factor.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Right stop showing down Kyrie Earth and Kyrie's numbers Chris
are just brutal. Rob, and look thirteen for thirty seven
Chris from the field, right field goals it's thirty five
percent and zero for eight from three point yep.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Fourteen points a game, four assists a game, and Rob.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
You look at the two stars.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Jason Tatum, who's not We've talked about not shooting well,
he's shooting even worse than Kyrie. He's a thirty one percent,
but he's given you tier rebounds a game and eight
and a half assists, which is a team both are
team highs, and.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
He's defending well.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Kyrie isn't really doing much his sho I've said about
Tatum like his shot.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Is betraying him, and he's not.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But he's still not letting it stop him from playing
well and doing the other parts of the game to win.
And a lot of stars wouldn't, you know, wouldn't do
that now Kyrie, I'm not gonna say he's not willing
to do those things.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
We just know he's not a great defender. You know,
some of it's his size and he's not obviously his
size is you know, he's not a great rebounder. He's
fine for six two, but you know he's not gonna
be able to rebound but so much at that And
he doesn't have a ball in his hands enough really
to be a high assist guy because Lucas got it
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a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And so you see both.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know, tatums still able to really make his mark
on this series to some degree at least even if
he's not shooting well.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
But what let me ask you, what are your thoughts
on Kyrie?
Speaker 7 (05:06):
Rob?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Are you surprised at how poorly's played? Do you think
it's Boston the crowd mental or what.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Remember we talked about He's cursed, Kyrie's cursed. No, but
I just feel like, Chris, how do you go from
where he was? I don't hear is Lebron on social
media saying that he's the most skilled player, what he
called him the wizard, most gifted, gifted, the wizard all
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that that is he the Wizard from the Wizard of
Oz or what is he talking about, Chris? So we
went from that, I don't hear people out of Lebron
now about Kyrie. It would really be impressive if he
said it now Chris, that he's the most gifted and
he's the Wizard despite the numbers ten for thirty seven
and oh for eight from three and all that. But
you get my point. He would People were raving about him,
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things were going so great, and then they have such
you're dude, and not one game you could have a
dug Chris, one game you off a little bit, Bob,
but both games. It's really shocking at how poorly he's played,
and that this matches up to him losing the last
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the twelve games Chris to Boston.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Now he's owing.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Twelve oh like that just doesn't make sense to me.
And the numbers aren't good, none of them. And in
his last six playoff games against the Celtics, now, Rob,
he's averaging fourteen points a game.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Bad.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I mean, this is Kyrie Irving we're talking about, I
think Rob right now, Well, let me start here. I'm surprised. Obviously,
if I knew Kyrie wasn't gonna play well, I wouldn't
have picked the Mavericks to win this series because.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
On him and Luca being unguardable.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I'm I'm as surprised as I am Robbed at his play.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I'm even more surprised at how it.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Looks Rob Kyrie, who I have said for years, and
now it seems I'm not saying I started it. Although
I might have been one of the first to say it,
I hadn't heard it before I said it. But I
think he's the best ball handler in NBA history. Rob,
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He's not able to create At least the first two games,
he has not been able to create separation off the.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Dribble, Like this is a guy would handles galore.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And it's not just against Drew Holiday, it is against
almost all the Celtics.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Peyton Pritchard has been able to stay in front of.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Him, and Kyrie obviously isn't a speed demon, you know,
like Alan Iverson or something. But with his handle and
his craftiness and his ability to score at every level
basket mid range three, you would think he'd be able
to get some space against these defenders. And I have
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been stunned, robed that he has not been able to
effectively create space at all. And that's what surprises me.
And he's zero for eight from three and some of
those threes are open. A lot of them are contested,
but some of them have been open. And Rob, I
don't know, I don't He looks fine at the press conferences,
(08:24):
his demeanors, looks confident, He looks fine. But I gotta believe. Now, look,
let me credit the Celtics defense. They are playing great
d yeah, and they switch everything, and they got five
that can guard you. But I gotta believe some of
this Rob seems to be mental because no one else
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is really able to kind of do this against Kyrie.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Even Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
He didn't have a terrific series, but it was he
wasn't shooting as poorly. It was almost like he was
coasting there is even a thinking is he pacing it
himself to get ready, you know, get through a whole
four playoff series.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
But he has been on lockdown.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
They got him on lockdown, Rob, And I think what
it's leading to, Rob.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Or what if it continues, what it will lead to?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Because if he turns it around, it has a great
series going forward, then this won't be the case. But
if this kind of continues, I think, Rob, it's almost
like a regression to the mean, because as you said,
it was a little overbowl overblown. The most gifted player ever,
the most skilled player, It just was the best backcourd ever, right,
the best wing man ever, never mind Scottie Pippen and
(09:38):
Kevin McHale and James Worthy.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Over the top.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, yeah, so this will bring it down. He's still
a first ballot Hall of Fame. I mean you, I
know you disagree because of the off.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Me.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I'm just saying that there will be some people, you
know what I mean, And yeah, that will hold it
against him, only because I think he should have been
a top seventy five and and and they took that
at from.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And that's something else.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I mean, it's me if people and I didn't hear
a lot of to oh, they see they messed up Kyrie.
That was something else that people might won't be saying
for a while if he continues to struggle like this.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And Rob, this is something that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And I did not really know this until you know,
Kyrie's been playing poorly, so I kind of start digging
into the numbers and what I found. Rob, I think
this was sur project because we talked about Joe lmbad
going down and his numbers go down.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Chris, I'm what you're boun Tell me, I'm shocked.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yes, Since he left Lebron and the Cavs in twenty seventeen, Rob,
his regular season average in you know, regular season all
those years since then, has been twenty five point six
points a game. Postseason average twenty one point nine. That's
a four point drop. Assists go from six in the
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regular season to five in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
That's not that big.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Field goal percentage Joe goals Rob from forty nine percent
to forty nine point two percent to forty four point
eight percent. That's a nice little drop. And then three
point percent is from forty point seven to thirty six
point seven.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
It's not the Joe LMB drop. But it's a it's
a drop, and.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Kyrie is going that's that might become more of the
narrative if he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Turn it around.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Rob, and and really picked this thing up. And because
Rob that he has to be great. He can't be good.
He hasn't even been good yet, but he has to
be great for them to have a chance.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
To get back in this series.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yes, and he just hasn't been that. It's surprising. The
er for a Chris is that mental? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
What right?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
You know I'm a great shooter. You're a great shooter.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
You you haven't made a three in the playoff in
the NBA Finals in two games. Just get one, Chris
and drill it and then you know, don't look back.
That's surprising. And I know it a OH for fifty team,
but OH for eight is big for god who can
shoot like Kyrie Ken. It just doesn't make any sense,
right right?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So he Rob, Look, Luca, I think has been very
good or you know, not great though because he had
the eight turnovers yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
But he's been very good. Rob.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
He's averaging thirty two eleven and eleven so much, Yeah,
that's too much.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
But he's doing enough for them to win. PJ. Washington
is giving him over fifteen points a game.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
The other guys Gafford and you know, you know, the
other Derek Jones Junior.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I mean they're doing what they kind of do.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
They're not playing as well as usual, but you know
their numbers are close.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I'm not gonna put it all on Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
There there are other reasons, but he's the main with
rob like his rop. He averaged twenty five points a
game this year. So how can a team with staying
their second leading scorer who is a star. It's not
like we're asking, you know, Dereck Jones Junior or PJ
to give me twenty five a night. Their star is
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scoring eleven points a game less in these final.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And it's not like they're getting blown out.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
They lost by seven first game, was you know, they
did get you know, pasted in the first game, but
this one they lost by Seven's Kyrie's got to step up.
There's no ifsays or butts about it, all right, A
seven seven ninety nine on Fox? What are your thoughts
on Kyrie struggling? Are you surprised? Why do you think
he's struggling? We know the Celtics are playing real great
(13:35):
uh perimeter defense. But what do you think of a
guy that many were saying is the most skilled we've
ever seen does not look anything like that in these finals.
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do you make of Kyrie every struggles in these Finals?
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. You'll turn away in.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
All right, Chris, let's start with Aj in Atlanta. You're
on the Odd Couple of Fox Sportsuaito.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Aj?
Speaker 9 (15:29):
Heyah, fella's doing tonight?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Good man? How are you?
Speaker 9 (15:34):
I can't complain, can't complain A big fan of the show.
May y'all keep doing what y'all doing thanks. I think
it's more of a it's more than a coincidence that
he's lost. He's dropped his last eleven or twelve. The yeah,
he played with the Seal things, so it kind of
feels like, you know, they kind of got his number
a little bit. They have a lot of primitive defenders
who can get under him and kind of cut off
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some of the things he's doing. I kind of want
to put that on this Jason Kidd a little bit too.
The offense seems to lack a little creativity with trying
to get Kyrie free, and I think by now I
probably would have switched and had Kyrie be the distributor
like Tatum is, so he can kind of set up
Luca a little more, so Luca can kind of reserve
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his energy with his injuries and.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
So I probably put it half on you know, Kyrie
and half on Jason for not kind of scheming him
open and doing some things to get him some easy looks.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I think you make a good point about Kid. I
wouldn't put I wouldn't go half. I mean, they've been
playing this way the whole season, and it's been effected
like their offense is they they got two guys that
you aren't supposed to be in the guard one on
one that can beat you, and they beat you and
they either score or they draw double teams.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
And when they draw double teams, they're both excellent.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Passers, so they can spread it out to shooters or
throw lives, you know, to their team at the rim.
I mean, that's that's kind of how they do it.
They they don't run, you know, guys off screens all
the time and things like that, but they haven't really
done that all year. I think putting the ball in
Kyrie's hand is a good idea so he can like
bring it up court and he'll have momentum, uh and
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you know where he can beat a guy off the
dribble going downhill versus like catching it on the wing
and now you got to create something with the guy
right there in your face.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
So I do think that is something they probably should
do a little more of.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
All right, Chili Tim in Atlanta, you're in the odd
couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
What's up? Tim?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
What doing great? How are you?
Speaker 10 (17:39):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
What's up new? How you doing?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Man?
Speaker 9 (17:43):
A good man?
Speaker 10 (17:44):
In a couple of weeks, maybe another week or so,
about to celebrate my ar aniversion from kidney transplant.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Blessing.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
Man, what a blessing.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
Yes, I don't know about you, guys, but it makes
me a couple of times of the point of game
last night, like he was kind of like forcing an issue,
like he wasn't coming in the Florida game. Like I
felt like he was like pushing and his his shot
selection sometimes that he was just really pressing and it looks.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Rushed, right, he looked. I've never seen him look so rushed.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Well, and you know he knows the numbers too, you
know what I mean, Like he knows what they're like.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Making him like he's not usually Kyrie controls the action,
the pace he is.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
They're rushing him, making him like rush.
Speaker 10 (18:35):
Most definitely, guys.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Problem all right, appreciated some things. Yeah, how about Eric
and Tim? I mean Eric in Atlanta, you're the couple
of Fox Sports Radio. We lost him.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Austin.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Oh, oh, Austin, God, Eric and Austin.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I apologize, upgrade, I got, I know I need the
readers aren't working, man, You need to go to the real prescriptions.
What you got quick readers?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Okay, I got readers too. All right, sorry about that area.
I got his name right, I just couldn't see the Yeah.
Speaker 11 (19:06):
Yeah, no, it's all good. What's up, Chris? How you
gotta doing good?
Speaker 8 (19:10):
Good?
Speaker 11 (19:11):
So I got I got a two quick points to
make and I got a question that your answer off
the air for me. Number one, I feel like me
personally washing the shoot. I feel like the rest are
definitely letting Boston play very physical with Kyrie, specifically like
I saw Joe Holland they bumping him multiple dodds. I'm
not mad at I just feel like Kyrie's the next player.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Did we see that though they let the t Wolves
uh mash around the Nuggets? Christ we saw that, we did?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And I also physical, right?
Speaker 11 (19:41):
And I also feel like like Dallas's whole offense is
predicated on the freelance movement between Luke and Kyrie. All
that took your role in Ali Houston stuff. Boston is
letting that happen. They got seven foot guys all over
the place, right, so they're not gonna let that happen.
But I'm curious to see. I wonder if you guys
feel the same way. I'd like you about this. If
Dallas he's just waying lose this series. I feel like
they may need to find a third option.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, you you need, you need to make some changes.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I shouldn't say changes, but additions, because obviously they got
a nice team.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
They've gone further than anybody expected, remember they.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
And you don't expect well you think, you think Kyrie
this is it, this is who he is. You know
what I'm saying exactly. I wouldn't go into next year
thinking like, oh, well we can't win with Kyrie.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I don't buy that, right.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I mean, maybe a tweak, you add another role player
or a shooter or something like that. But nah, I
don't think they'll pan ignor should they rib even if
they get swept.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
And if Kyrie, if Kyrie plays terrible, Chris and they
get swept, you just have to chuck it up. He
didn't play well, and we're not gonna win one guy,
but you're not gonna win. But you have a guy
of that ilk and he doesn't play well the whole series?
What series are you winning? If you could do that,
then he wouldn't be that spectation. We wouldn't be talking
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about him.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
And remember Rob, it's not easy to find a second
star that fits with Luca jaymen Brunson. You know, nobody
knew he had all that and couldn't play with him.
So you've got one in Kyrie who you would like
and respect. Absolutely stick with it.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
All right. We got our man Michael Holly coming up
in a minute.
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Speaker 1 (21:36):
It is the Odd Couple, Chris and Rob live from
the tire Rack dot com studios.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Our next guest, as I said, goes back decades with
both of us.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
He's now at NBC Sports Boston, host of Brother from
Another on Pete Cock.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Our man Michael Holly. What's up, brother Mike?
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Well, first of all, much love to you both. Rob
coming through in the clutch. You know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 12 (22:03):
Man?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
What?
Speaker 5 (22:05):
And Chris? Sorry, happy anniversary.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Thank you mama twenty nine years, twenty nine years and
it's two and his.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Two daughters of thirty five. I'm just saying.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
What he said for the thirtieth anniversary. I hope you're
working on the book right now. I hope you got
the manuscript thirty eight thirty years and giving us some
advice on how you got to thirty years the work
right now, I've thought.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
About it, because you're right, that's unique. Nowadays it's too late.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
My marriage is over.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
What are you trying to say, Well, you can learn,
you can learn for the next one, or you can
learn it could have been better, Mike.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
The problem for Rob is he's only looking at twenty
five choir Chris.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I've been out with robbed anything over thirty. He's not
even like you can't even get a second look from him.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Man, But I know.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
But the sad part is the only time I hear
a woman call me daddy is after she gets to
approval on my MasterCard. That's the sad part.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
But Michael Holly a star up in the Boston area. Man,
So look, did you and the series not over? But
obviously the Celtics are in control right now up two Oho.
Did you feel all season that this was the team
to win the championship? Like I've been doubtful. I thought
they'd definitely get out of the East, but I did
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not think they were the best team in the league.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I love them. It maze to be seen, but they
look like it right now. Have you believed in them
all year?
Speaker 5 (23:39):
And if so, why I have believed in them all
year with one exception. Now they had and it seems
like five years ago now. They had two games, just
like everybody else in the East with the Western Conference,
but two games against Denver. They lost both of those games,
close games. And in the last game that they lost Denver,
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you know that came down to the wire, but Denver
came through. And I was watching Porzingis versus Jokis, and
I know nobody really can check Jokic, right, but Porzingis
could not even hold him away from the basket and
it was such a mismatch. I said, oh man, this
is gonna be a problem if they get to the finals,
because I really thought. I thought it was gonna be
Denver in Boston, right and I felt like Boston had
(24:22):
the best record, but Denver was the best team. Well,
we know that didn't work out for Denver this year.
So with Denver out of the way, I thought, yes,
they should have a pretty easy time of it because
I don't believe the Mavericks. It's easy to say it now,
but I didn't go into the series. I didn't think
the Mavericks were a good matchup. I had a good
matchup with Boston.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
What about Jason Tatum, What's going on with him and
his shooting? Updated anchor just said, like some of the
worst shooting numbers in an NBA finals. What's the problem here?
Because he's plays doing the other stuff.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
But man, yeah, I thought so. He shot about thirty
three percent in his first finals against the Warriors, and
I think that was a combination of, Hey, he had
no idea what was coming. The Warriors did a great
job against them, and at times the moment got to
be too much for him. Honestly, in twenty twenty two.
(25:19):
This year, it is Dallas doing a great job of
doubling him, and his shooting is off. He's missing You
missed at the rim. You guys saw it last night.
He was like sixty seven shots at the rim. They
weren't bad shots. The only bad shot he took last
night was not that he was one for seven from three.
The only bad shot he took was about a fourteen
or fifteen footer, like a turnaround. But pretty much he
(25:42):
was missing shots. But he made a lot of plays
in the paint when they were doubling him. He kicked
off the Drew holiday holiday was finished, so it's not
one of those six for twenty two's and you say,
what's wrong with him? It was a six for twenty two,
but he did have nine boards and twelve assists, so
he's playing well even though the SHOT's my fault.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
You you saw Jason Kidds say that Jalen Brown is
their best player. I think Rob and I think it
was gamesman. Does we still feel this Tatum although it's
you know, it's close between him and Jalen.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Where are you at on that? Do you think that
is questionable now whether Tatum is their best player?
Speaker 5 (26:19):
No, I think it's statum And give j Kids credit.
He was like Rob park Rob Parker out in the streets.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
What are you saying, Mike, Let me see.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I'll just throw it out there, see what happened. If
it works, if it works, genius?
Speaker 11 (26:39):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Hey, how you how are you supposed to survive for
forty years in this business?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
What do you want?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
What do you want me to do?
Speaker 5 (26:47):
He was trying to sew a little discord, and I
think it was a good attempt on Kids part, because
that's the only question, the only question is does it
matter to these guys. Does it matter if Jalen Brown
is the MVP, is the Finals MVP and they win
the championship? Would that be a problem? Because if that's not,
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if that's not an issue with the Celtics. Really, if
you look at the Mavericks, you guys tell me who's
their best individual defender. I just they they don't have
that guy. They don't have that right who could just say, Okay,
I'll take Tatum by myself, like Jalen Brown picking up
Luke a full court. Who could do that on Tatum
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on the Mavericks and survive? Who could do that on
Brown and survive on the Mavericks. So it's I think
it's just a math problem that Jason Kidds sees. It's
just going to be really tough. The Celtics would have
to have a miserable an all around miserable night to
lose the series. I think they had a miserable shooting night.
They did and they survived it. So that was that's
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gotta be a blow to the morale of the Mavericks,
right that everything you're supposed to do Tatum six or
twenty two, ten to thirty nine.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
As a team thirty nine. That is just wow.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
For thirty nine, Luca triple double and you.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Lose, you lose, right?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
How about I think porzingis. I think if he doesn't
do anything and I'm not saying he gets zero's across
the board if he doesn't do anything else. His performance
in game one was big. I don't think anybody knew
what to expect from him, Chris and Mike. He had
played in the wild, you know what I mean. And
he came out twenty points in twenty minutes, and you
(28:30):
just might need that to get them off the Schneider
and get you.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
In game one? Win game one, and then he didn't
have to be great. He just needs to be pretty good.
Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (28:40):
I think that's fair. But now the question is what
happens for game three? Because he got hurt down the
stretch last night five minutes games you can see him
just laboring up and down the court. He took him
out and he didn't go back in what happens for
game three? I know some people at Boston say, oh,
we don't need him, we don't got him, got him.
I'm not sure. I'm not sure you can or it
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won't be that easy because it's not just Porzingis and
the points. It's Porzingis what he does for Al Horford.
So if Porzingis is out there giving you twenty even
if it's twenty minutes, then that means Horford doesn't have
to go over thirty five forty. Horford, you know last night,
still in the twenties with minutes. He's good when he's
in that range. Anytime he starts to creep over the
(29:25):
thirty minutes, he's thirty eight. Anytime he starts to creep
over thirty minutes, you can see the diminishing return. So
I think you need Porzingis just to keep Al Horford
press too.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Mike, your former newspaper to Boston Globe wrote before the
series that if the Celtics win this Championships, they will
be one of the best teams ever.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
The numbers will back them up.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
But I don't know what, Mike. College's not working at
the Globe anymore. I'm just that you know the.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Game you cover.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You were covering the NBA before I was, So where
how are you at on that? Assuming they win this series?
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I can't I can't go there. I can't do it.
I know what analytics says, I know what the net
rating says. Okay, let's just start here. And I think
if you're talking about the best of all time this
secon when we talk about the goat arguments, so we're
all talking about terrific players. So now we're starting to
nittick just so we can get to an answer. So, yeah,
they'll be a great team if they let's say they
sweep the Mavericks. I got to give them some love
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because if they sweep the Mavericks, that will mean they
had them. They finished the season with an eleven game
postseason winning streak, and they didn't lose a game on
the road. Okay, I'm not going to diminish that. That's
a big deal.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
That's a big deal. They know what they sound like
the Texas Rangers from last year, Chris, Remember they they
didn't lose a road game, right, all.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Right, But think about this, in the first round, if
you're talking about like the opponents, the opponents have to
factor into it, like, let's say hall of famers. So
they got one Hall of Famer in the first round,
Bam bam out of Bio. No Jimmy Butler right, second
round I think we think Donovan Mitchell's gonna be a
Hall of Famer one day, but he missed two games, right,
(31:06):
third round. Maybe Tyree's halliburn to be a Hall of
Famer one day he missed two games.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
No, but this is the nippicking that you do with.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Someone.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I think Bam is.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Not a definite exactly. And so now now you've got
two first ballot Hall of Famers in Kyrie and Luca. Yeah,
that that works in your favorite but also it's the
Celtics guys, So I can't even say they'd be the
best team in Celtics history. I agree they win the championship, you.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Go, And that's why my short sided I think the
only way I would ever consider them among the best
teams ever is if this team is about to go
on a nice little stretch and maybe they win three
out of five, three out of city, you know what
I mean, where Tatum and Brown really become this duo
that wins multiple championships.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But just right now, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
And I don't know that I see that happening, but
there's no way right now I put this team on
that level.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
And that's a good point, Like we could go back
and say, Okay, that first one, we didn't think so,
but then they had a three p Yeah, then okay,
then you start to think about it. But I thought
the same thing, didn't you think the same thing last
year when when Denver won. Absolutely they got they got
the best player in the game. Oh, y'all, get your married.
They play off each other very well. Instead. Yeah, they
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lost some of those.
Speaker 9 (32:30):
They lost some of their complimentary pieces, but the core
is still there.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Man. This team might have a couple of championships in them.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah, you're right, it's seth fragile, it really is.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
All right, that's our man, Michael, Holly a man. Tell
your family we said hello.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
And listen, both of you. Both of you back. So
Broussard came to visit on the vineyard last year, you
were nowhere to be found.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
It was wonderful.
Speaker 9 (33:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
No, they Chris gave me the wrong dates because he
don't want me to ruin that trip up there. He
gave me the wrong dates.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Any time.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Alright, all right, Mike, thanks brother, All right, take care,
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they ask good questions and we get good answers from
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Speaker 3 (33:53):
Rob, do you explain this latest one? That's right?
Speaker 12 (33:56):
The annual Athletic Player Poll was released on Monday. MS
Price He didn't notice it, maybe because of the NBA
Finals and the Dan Hurley situation. But we have a
winner for twenty twenty four, receiving forty six percent of
the vote, nearly double the second place finisher, none other
than Dodgers' dual Star show, Hey Otani.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Some of the Commentsani wait Otani was first.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
Otani was first. A distant second was Ronald Lacuna Junior. Yes,
number three tied for third. Actually Mookie Betts and Aaron Judge,
a couple of MLB bros.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
You need to know.
Speaker 12 (34:35):
There you go, and players were asked to share their
comments quickly on each player. Here's they said about Otani quote,
there is no comparison. Everybody has a comp He's got
no comp You know what show hey Ruth or Babe Otani?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
No question.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yeah, we've talked about this. Remember all the players the year,
even the year, Aaron Judge, at to sixty two, they
were talking about Otana should be the MVP. You remember
that because they just they get it, you know, when
you pitching hit. But I only got one problem, Chris,
he ain't pitching this year. He ain't the best player
right now when he's doing both. Yes, right, he ain't
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the best right now. Chris as just a hitter, is he?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I don't think you know, I agree, you know, I
think when he's doing both, I think he's the best
player we've ever seen. He does both at an elite level.
But yeah, just as a hitter, he's great. He's a
Hall of Fame reason, he's probably at all time great.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
But no, he's not the best just hitting.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I mean, look, Aaron Judge, I mean, right now he's
going to the argument, Well.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
He got twenty five was it twenty four? Twenty five
home runs?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Chris? I think he's got twenty six now, I'm not mistaken.
But look where we are wearing the what June tenth, right,
we still got three and a half months to go.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Really, he gonna get sick, He's gonna get sixty again.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
No, I yeah, I mean and then Mookie, I mean again,
Mookie's playing short stole a hitter. He is a great hitter,
old tiny. I mean Robbi's hitting three ten, He's got
fifteen dingers himself. But no, you could not say if
he's just hitting, you can't say he's.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
The best player in baseball. You can't say that.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
But I assuming he comes back to pitch in the future,
I do think he'll be the best then. But now
it's just a you know, I get the players they
love him, okay, because they know they are probably still
talking about.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
You know, they're still thinking to him as doing both
rob I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, that's what they're thinking of, because he's not doing
it this year. But they're just thinking about what he's
been able to accomplish. And again, he's a unicorn, Chris.
We haven't seen anybody do this. Even when you talk
about Babe Rute that was in the twenties, nobody saw it.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
And as you know, Robi, he didn't do it. He stopped,
you know, pitching when he became this phenomenal hitter. He
never hit more than twenty nine home runs as when
he was pitching full time. Right, So even Babe didn't
do it. Mich ohtany's doing it. And Rob, you know,
we talked about this before, you know, and we'll get
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into it more tomorrow on this topic. But would this
be not a trend, but you know, would you start
to see at least a trickling of players trying to
do both?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I don't know that we will.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I used to think we would, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Do you feel, you know, from talking to people in baseball,
do you think we might see a couple guys trying
this or not?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I think I can't see anything. Yeah, you know what
this could be? This could go go the way Chris
of Tiger Woods when nobody came behind them, you know
what I mean. And I'm at Black Golfers, but nobody
come because you have to if you're gonna allow somebody
to do it, they got to be doing this in
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the minor leagues. They can't do it now. We don't
know if anybody doing dual. Do we know of anybody?
I don't know of anybody. Oh so I don't I
don't know if this is going to open up for
for a lot of other guys to do both. You
got to be a special player. And when you see
him in person, he's a big guy, you know, Yes,
he really is.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yep, yep, no, no doubt. He's six ' four two ten.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yeah, he's a big guy.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
So yeah, all right, we got an hour left here
on the eye couple, y'all know what to do.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Keep that bad boy locks
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back to these NBA Finals. And as we've said, the
(01:19):
Celtics up two oh on the Dallas Mavericks and looking real,
real strong and their star Jason Tatum, their their best player,
their first team All NBA player, their MVP candidate player
hasn't even gotten it going. Rob, They're up two to Oh.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
That's scary, Chris, that's a scary part.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It is scary. It is scary. And the team is
that they're shooting thirty two from three as.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
A team, I was gonna say, And it's not like
they lighting it up, like right, they're not lighting it up.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Their defense is really carrying them and their balance.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
They they and we mentioned, you know, they kind of
remind us a little, but not stylistically, although both were
great defensive team.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
The Pistons, Christ you know that were a defensive team.
We're talking about the two thousand and four Pistons, yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And obviously the Celtics are defensive team. But Rob, the
Celtics so far through two games are the first team
since the nineteen eighty seven LA Lakers of Magic Kareem
Worthy Byrons, Scott so On and so forth, the first
team since then nineteen eighty seven?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
What is that thirty seven years.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
For through the first two games of the finals to
have five players average more than fifteen points a game
or fifteen or more points a game. They've got six
to five guys averaging sixteen or more points.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
It's incredible. It is talking about balance.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Jalen Brown Rob twenty one and a half, Drew Holliday nineteen,
Jason Tatum seventh.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
We know what Drew Holiday brings. Chrism both ends of
the floor.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Rob, I think he's the MVP right now. He might
be Finals MVP. I mean it's closed. I think Jalen second.
But when I look like you said, he's given you
nineteen points, nine and a half boards, four assists, sixty
five percent shooting and Rob, he is the main factor.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Right stop showing down Kyrie Earth and Kyrie's numbers Chris
are just brutal. Rob, and look thirteen for thirty seven
Chris from the field, right field goals it's thirty five
percent and zero for eight from three point yep.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Fourteen points a game, four assists a game, and Rob.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
You look at the two stars.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Jason Tatum, who's not We've talked about not shooting well,
he's shooting even worse than Kyrie. He's a thirty one percent,
but he's given you tier rebounds a game and eight
and a half assists, which is a team both are
team highs, and.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
He's defending well.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Kyrie isn't really doing much his sho I've said about
Tatum like his shot.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Is betraying him, and he's not.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But he's still not letting it stop him from playing
well and doing the other parts of the game to win.
And a lot of stars wouldn't, you know, wouldn't do
that now Kyrie, I'm not gonna say he's not willing
to do those things.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
We just know he's not a great defender. You know,
some of it's his size and he's not obviously his
size is you know, he's not a great rebounder. He's
fine for six two, but you know he's not gonna
be able to rebound but so much at that And
he doesn't have a ball in his hands enough really
to be a high assist guy because Lucas got it
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a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And so you see both.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know, tatums still able to really make his mark
on this series to some degree at least even if
he's not shooting well.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
But what let me ask you, what are your thoughts
on Kyrie?
Speaker 7 (05:06):
Rob?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Are you surprised at how poorly's played? Do you think
it's Boston the crowd mental or what.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Remember we talked about He's cursed, Kyrie's cursed. No, but
I just feel like, Chris, how do you go from
where he was? I don't hear is Lebron on social
media saying that he's the most skilled player, what he
called him the wizard, most gifted, gifted, the wizard all
(05:33):
that that is he the Wizard from the Wizard of
Oz or what is he talking about, Chris? So we
went from that, I don't hear people out of Lebron
now about Kyrie. It would really be impressive if he
said it now Chris, that he's the most gifted and
he's the Wizard despite the numbers ten for thirty seven
and oh for eight from three and all that. But
you get my point. He would People were raving about him,
(05:57):
things were going so great, and then they have such
you're dude, and not one game you could have a
dug Chris, one game you off a little bit, Bob,
but both games. It's really shocking at how poorly he's played,
and that this matches up to him losing the last
(06:17):
the twelve games Chris to Boston.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Now he's owing.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Twelve oh like that just doesn't make sense to me.
And the numbers aren't good, none of them. And in
his last six playoff games against the Celtics, now, Rob,
he's averaging fourteen points a game.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Bad.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I mean, this is Kyrie Irving we're talking about, I
think Rob right now, Well, let me start here. I'm surprised. Obviously,
if I knew Kyrie wasn't gonna play well, I wouldn't
have picked the Mavericks to win this series because.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
On him and Luca being unguardable.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I'm I'm as surprised as I am Robbed at his play.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I'm even more surprised at how it.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Looks Rob Kyrie, who I have said for years, and
now it seems I'm not saying I started it. Although
I might have been one of the first to say it,
I hadn't heard it before I said it. But I
think he's the best ball handler in NBA history. Rob,
(07:20):
He's not able to create At least the first two games,
he has not been able to create separation off the.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Dribble, Like this is a guy would handles galore.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And it's not just against Drew Holiday, it is against
almost all the Celtics.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Peyton Pritchard has been able to stay in front of.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Him, and Kyrie obviously isn't a speed demon, you know,
like Alan Iverson or something. But with his handle and
his craftiness and his ability to score at every level
basket mid range three, you would think he'd be able
to get some space against these defenders. And I have
(08:02):
been stunned, robed that he has not been able to
effectively create space at all. And that's what surprises me.
And he's zero for eight from three and some of
those threes are open. A lot of them are contested,
but some of them have been open. And Rob, I
don't know, I don't He looks fine at the press conferences,
(08:24):
his demeanors, looks confident, He looks fine. But I gotta believe. Now, look,
let me credit the Celtics defense. They are playing great
d yeah, and they switch everything, and they got five
that can guard you. But I gotta believe some of
this Rob seems to be mental because no one else
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is really able to kind of do this against Kyrie.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Even Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
He didn't have a terrific series, but it was he
wasn't shooting as poorly. It was almost like he was
coasting there is even a thinking is he pacing it
himself to get ready, you know, get through a whole
four playoff series.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
But he has been on lockdown.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
They got him on lockdown, Rob, And I think what
it's leading to, Rob.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Or what if it continues, what it will lead to?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Because if he turns it around, it has a great
series going forward, then this won't be the case. But
if this kind of continues, I think, Rob, it's almost
like a regression to the mean, because as you said,
it was a little overbowl overblown. The most gifted player ever,
the most skilled player, It just was the best backcourd ever, right,
the best wing man ever, never mind Scottie Pippen and
(09:38):
Kevin McHale and James Worthy.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Over the top.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, yeah, so this will bring it down. He's still
a first ballot Hall of Fame. I mean you, I
know you disagree because of the off.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Me.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I'm just saying that there will be some people, you
know what I mean, And yeah, that will hold it
against him, only because I think he should have been
a top seventy five and and and they took that
at from.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And that's something else.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I mean, it's me if people and I didn't hear
a lot of to oh, they see they messed up Kyrie.
That was something else that people might won't be saying
for a while if he continues to struggle like this.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And Rob, this is something that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And I did not really know this until you know,
Kyrie's been playing poorly, so I kind of start digging
into the numbers and what I found. Rob, I think
this was sur project because we talked about Joe lmbad
going down and his numbers go down.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Chris, I'm what you're boun Tell me, I'm shocked.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yes, Since he left Lebron and the Cavs in twenty seventeen, Rob,
his regular season average in you know, regular season all
those years since then, has been twenty five point six
points a game. Postseason average twenty one point nine. That's
a four point drop. Assists go from six in the
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regular season to five in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
That's not that big.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Field goal percentage Joe goals Rob from forty nine percent
to forty nine point two percent to forty four point
eight percent. That's a nice little drop. And then three
point percent is from forty point seven to thirty six
point seven.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
It's not the Joe LMB drop. But it's a it's
a drop, and.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Kyrie is going that's that might become more of the
narrative if he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Turn it around.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Rob, and and really picked this thing up. And because
Rob that he has to be great. He can't be good.
He hasn't even been good yet, but he has to
be great for them to have a chance.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
To get back in this series.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yes, and he just hasn't been that. It's surprising. The
er for a Chris is that mental? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
What right?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
You know I'm a great shooter. You're a great shooter.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
You you haven't made a three in the playoff in
the NBA Finals in two games. Just get one, Chris
and drill it and then you know, don't look back.
That's surprising. And I know it a OH for fifty team,
but OH for eight is big for god who can
shoot like Kyrie Ken. It just doesn't make any sense,
right right?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So he Rob, Look, Luca, I think has been very
good or you know, not great though because he had
the eight turnovers yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
But he's been very good. Rob.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
He's averaging thirty two eleven and eleven so much, Yeah,
that's too much.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
But he's doing enough for them to win. PJ. Washington
is giving him over fifteen points a game.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
The other guys Gafford and you know, you know, the
other Derek Jones Junior.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I mean they're doing what they kind of do.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
They're not playing as well as usual, but you know
their numbers are close.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I'm not gonna put it all on Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
There there are other reasons, but he's the main with
rob like his rop. He averaged twenty five points a
game this year. So how can a team with staying
their second leading scorer who is a star. It's not
like we're asking, you know, Dereck Jones Junior or PJ
to give me twenty five a night. Their star is
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scoring eleven points a game less in these final.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And it's not like they're getting blown out.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
They lost by seven first game, was you know, they
did get you know, pasted in the first game, but
this one they lost by Seven's Kyrie's got to step up.
There's no ifsays or butts about it, all right, A
seven seven ninety nine on Fox? What are your thoughts
on Kyrie struggling? Are you surprised? Why do you think
he's struggling? We know the Celtics are playing real great
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uh perimeter defense. But what do you think of a
guy that many were saying is the most skilled we've
ever seen does not look anything like that in these finals.
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Com Studios. Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. What
do you make of Kyrie every struggles in these Finals?
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. You'll turn away in.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
All right, Chris, let's start with Aj in Atlanta. You're
on the Odd Couple of Fox Sportsuaito.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Aj?
Speaker 9 (15:29):
Heyah, fella's doing tonight?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Good man? How are you?
Speaker 9 (15:34):
I can't complain, can't complain A big fan of the show.
May y'all keep doing what y'all doing thanks. I think
it's more of a it's more than a coincidence that
he's lost. He's dropped his last eleven or twelve. The yeah,
he played with the Seal things, so it kind of
feels like, you know, they kind of got his number
a little bit. They have a lot of primitive defenders
who can get under him and kind of cut off
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some of the things he's doing. I kind of want
to put that on this Jason Kidd a little bit too.
The offense seems to lack a little creativity with trying
to get Kyrie free, and I think by now I
probably would have switched and had Kyrie be the distributor
like Tatum is, so he can kind of set up
Luca a little more, so Luca can kind of reserve
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his energy with his injuries and.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
So I probably put it half on you know, Kyrie
and half on Jason for not kind of scheming him
open and doing some things to get him some easy looks.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I think you make a good point about Kid. I
wouldn't put I wouldn't go half. I mean, they've been
playing this way the whole season, and it's been effected
like their offense is they they got two guys that
you aren't supposed to be in the guard one on
one that can beat you, and they beat you and
they either score or they draw double teams.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
And when they draw double teams, they're both excellent.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Passers, so they can spread it out to shooters or
throw lives, you know, to their team at the rim.
I mean, that's that's kind of how they do it.
They they don't run, you know, guys off screens all
the time and things like that, but they haven't really
done that all year. I think putting the ball in
Kyrie's hand is a good idea so he can like
bring it up court and he'll have momentum, uh and
(17:18):
you know where he can beat a guy off the
dribble going downhill versus like catching it on the wing
and now you got to create something with the guy
right there in your face.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
So I do think that is something they probably should
do a little more of.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
All right, Chili Tim in Atlanta, you're in the odd
couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
What's up? Tim?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
What doing great? How are you?
Speaker 10 (17:39):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
What's up new? How you doing?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Man?
Speaker 9 (17:43):
A good man?
Speaker 10 (17:44):
In a couple of weeks, maybe another week or so,
about to celebrate my ar aniversion from kidney transplant.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Blessing.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
Man, what a blessing.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
Yes, I don't know about you, guys, but it makes
me a couple of times of the point of game
last night, like he was kind of like forcing an issue,
like he wasn't coming in the Florida game. Like I
felt like he was like pushing and his his shot
selection sometimes that he was just really pressing and it looks.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Rushed, right, he looked. I've never seen him look so rushed.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Well, and you know he knows the numbers too, you
know what I mean, Like he knows what they're like.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Making him like he's not usually Kyrie controls the action,
the pace he is.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
They're rushing him, making him like rush.
Speaker 10 (18:35):
Most definitely, guys.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Problem all right, appreciated some things. Yeah, how about Eric
and Tim? I mean Eric in Atlanta, you're the couple
of Fox Sports Radio. We lost him.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Austin.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Oh, oh, Austin, God, Eric and Austin.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I apologize, upgrade, I got, I know I need the
readers aren't working, man, You need to go to the real prescriptions.
What you got quick readers?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Okay, I got readers too. All right, sorry about that area.
I got his name right, I just couldn't see the Yeah.
Speaker 11 (19:06):
Yeah, no, it's all good. What's up, Chris? How you
gotta doing good?
Speaker 8 (19:10):
Good?
Speaker 11 (19:11):
So I got I got a two quick points to
make and I got a question that your answer off
the air for me. Number one, I feel like me
personally washing the shoot. I feel like the rest are
definitely letting Boston play very physical with Kyrie, specifically like
I saw Joe Holland they bumping him multiple dodds. I'm
not mad at I just feel like Kyrie's the next player.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Did we see that though they let the t Wolves
uh mash around the Nuggets? Christ we saw that, we did?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And I also physical, right?
Speaker 11 (19:41):
And I also feel like like Dallas's whole offense is
predicated on the freelance movement between Luke and Kyrie. All
that took your role in Ali Houston stuff. Boston is
letting that happen. They got seven foot guys all over
the place, right, so they're not gonna let that happen.
But I'm curious to see. I wonder if you guys
feel the same way. I'd like you about this. If
Dallas he's just waying lose this series. I feel like
they may need to find a third option.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, you you need, you need to make some changes.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I shouldn't say changes, but additions, because obviously they got
a nice team.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
They've gone further than anybody expected, remember they.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
And you don't expect well you think, you think Kyrie
this is it, this is who he is. You know
what I'm saying exactly. I wouldn't go into next year
thinking like, oh, well we can't win with Kyrie.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I don't buy that, right.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I mean, maybe a tweak, you add another role player
or a shooter or something like that. But nah, I
don't think they'll pan ignor should they rib even if
they get swept.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
And if Kyrie, if Kyrie plays terrible, Chris and they
get swept, you just have to chuck it up. He
didn't play well, and we're not gonna win one guy,
but you're not gonna win. But you have a guy
of that ilk and he doesn't play well the whole series?
What series are you winning? If you could do that,
then he wouldn't be that spectation. We wouldn't be talking
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about him.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
And remember Rob, it's not easy to find a second
star that fits with Luca jaymen Brunson. You know, nobody
knew he had all that and couldn't play with him.
So you've got one in Kyrie who you would like
and respect. Absolutely stick with it.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
All right. We got our man Michael Holly coming up
in a minute.
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Speaker 1 (21:36):
It is the Odd Couple, Chris and Rob live from
the tire Rack dot com studios.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Our next guest, as I said, goes back decades with
both of us.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
He's now at NBC Sports Boston, host of Brother from
Another on Pete Cock.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Our man Michael Holly. What's up, brother Mike?
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Well, first of all, much love to you both. Rob
coming through in the clutch. You know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 12 (22:03):
Man?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
What?
Speaker 5 (22:05):
And Chris? Sorry, happy anniversary.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Thank you mama twenty nine years, twenty nine years and
it's two and his.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Two daughters of thirty five. I'm just saying.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
What he said for the thirtieth anniversary. I hope you're
working on the book right now. I hope you got
the manuscript thirty eight thirty years and giving us some
advice on how you got to thirty years the work
right now, I've thought.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
About it, because you're right, that's unique. Nowadays it's too late.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
My marriage is over.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
What are you trying to say, Well, you can learn,
you can learn for the next one, or you can
learn it could have been better, Mike.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
The problem for Rob is he's only looking at twenty
five choir Chris.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I've been out with robbed anything over thirty. He's not
even like you can't even get a second look from him.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Man, But I know.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
But the sad part is the only time I hear
a woman call me daddy is after she gets to
approval on my MasterCard. That's the sad part.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
But Michael Holly a star up in the Boston area. Man,
So look, did you and the series not over? But
obviously the Celtics are in control right now up two Oho.
Did you feel all season that this was the team
to win the championship? Like I've been doubtful. I thought
they'd definitely get out of the East, but I did
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not think they were the best team in the league.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I love them. It maze to be seen, but they
look like it right now. Have you believed in them
all year?
Speaker 5 (23:39):
And if so, why I have believed in them all
year with one exception. Now they had and it seems
like five years ago now. They had two games, just
like everybody else in the East with the Western Conference,
but two games against Denver. They lost both of those games,
close games. And in the last game that they lost Denver,
(24:00):
you know that came down to the wire, but Denver
came through. And I was watching Porzingis versus Jokis, and
I know nobody really can check Jokic, right, but Porzingis
could not even hold him away from the basket and
it was such a mismatch. I said, oh man, this
is gonna be a problem if they get to the finals,
because I really thought. I thought it was gonna be
Denver in Boston, right and I felt like Boston had
(24:22):
the best record, but Denver was the best team. Well,
we know that didn't work out for Denver this year.
So with Denver out of the way, I thought, yes,
they should have a pretty easy time of it because
I don't believe the Mavericks. It's easy to say it now,
but I didn't go into the series. I didn't think
the Mavericks were a good matchup. I had a good
matchup with Boston.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
What about Jason Tatum, What's going on with him and
his shooting? Updated anchor just said, like some of the
worst shooting numbers in an NBA finals. What's the problem here?
Because he's plays doing the other stuff.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
But man, yeah, I thought so. He shot about thirty
three percent in his first finals against the Warriors, and
I think that was a combination of, Hey, he had
no idea what was coming. The Warriors did a great
job against them, and at times the moment got to
be too much for him. Honestly, in twenty twenty two.
(25:19):
This year, it is Dallas doing a great job of
doubling him, and his shooting is off. He's missing You
missed at the rim. You guys saw it last night.
He was like sixty seven shots at the rim. They
weren't bad shots. The only bad shot he took last
night was not that he was one for seven from three.
The only bad shot he took was about a fourteen
or fifteen footer, like a turnaround. But pretty much he
(25:42):
was missing shots. But he made a lot of plays
in the paint when they were doubling him. He kicked
off the Drew holiday holiday was finished, so it's not
one of those six for twenty two's and you say,
what's wrong with him? It was a six for twenty two,
but he did have nine boards and twelve assists, so
he's playing well even though the SHOT's my fault.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
You you saw Jason Kidds say that Jalen Brown is
their best player. I think Rob and I think it
was gamesman. Does we still feel this Tatum although it's
you know, it's close between him and Jalen.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Where are you at on that? Do you think that
is questionable now whether Tatum is their best player?
Speaker 5 (26:19):
No, I think it's statum And give j Kids credit.
He was like Rob park Rob Parker out in the streets.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
What are you saying, Mike, Let me see.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I'll just throw it out there, see what happened. If
it works, if it works, genius?
Speaker 11 (26:39):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Hey, how you how are you supposed to survive for
forty years in this business?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
What do you want?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
What do you want me to do?
Speaker 5 (26:47):
He was trying to sew a little discord, and I
think it was a good attempt on Kids part, because
that's the only question, the only question is does it
matter to these guys. Does it matter if Jalen Brown
is the MVP, is the Finals MVP and they win
the championship? Would that be a problem? Because if that's not,
(27:08):
if that's not an issue with the Celtics. Really, if
you look at the Mavericks, you guys tell me who's
their best individual defender. I just they they don't have
that guy. They don't have that right who could just say, Okay,
I'll take Tatum by myself, like Jalen Brown picking up
Luke a full court. Who could do that on Tatum
(27:28):
on the Mavericks and survive? Who could do that on
Brown and survive on the Mavericks. So it's I think
it's just a math problem that Jason Kidds sees. It's
just going to be really tough. The Celtics would have
to have a miserable an all around miserable night to
lose the series. I think they had a miserable shooting night.
They did and they survived it. So that was that's
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gotta be a blow to the morale of the Mavericks,
right that everything you're supposed to do Tatum six or
twenty two, ten to thirty nine.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
As a team thirty nine. That is just wow.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
For thirty nine, Luca triple double and you.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Lose, you lose, right?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
How about I think porzingis. I think if he doesn't
do anything and I'm not saying he gets zero's across
the board if he doesn't do anything else. His performance
in game one was big. I don't think anybody knew
what to expect from him, Chris and Mike. He had
played in the wild, you know what I mean. And
he came out twenty points in twenty minutes, and you
(28:30):
just might need that to get them off the Schneider
and get you.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
In game one? Win game one, and then he didn't
have to be great. He just needs to be pretty good.
Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (28:40):
I think that's fair. But now the question is what
happens for game three? Because he got hurt down the
stretch last night five minutes games you can see him
just laboring up and down the court. He took him
out and he didn't go back in what happens for
game three? I know some people at Boston say, oh,
we don't need him, we don't got him, got him.
I'm not sure. I'm not sure you can or it
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won't be that easy because it's not just Porzingis and
the points. It's Porzingis what he does for Al Horford.
So if Porzingis is out there giving you twenty even
if it's twenty minutes, then that means Horford doesn't have
to go over thirty five forty. Horford, you know last night,
still in the twenties with minutes. He's good when he's
in that range. Anytime he starts to creep over the
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thirty minutes, he's thirty eight. Anytime he starts to creep
over thirty minutes, you can see the diminishing return. So
I think you need Porzingis just to keep Al Horford
press too.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Mike, your former newspaper to Boston Globe wrote before the
series that if the Celtics win this Championships, they will
be one of the best teams ever.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
The numbers will back them up.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
But I don't know what, Mike. College's not working at
the Globe anymore. I'm just that you know the.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Game you cover.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You were covering the NBA before I was, So where
how are you at on that? Assuming they win this series?
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I can't I can't go there. I can't do it.
I know what analytics says, I know what the net
rating says. Okay, let's just start here. And I think
if you're talking about the best of all time this
secon when we talk about the goat arguments, so we're
all talking about terrific players. So now we're starting to
nittick just so we can get to an answer. So, yeah,
they'll be a great team if they let's say they
sweep the Mavericks. I got to give them some love
(30:25):
because if they sweep the Mavericks, that will mean they
had them. They finished the season with an eleven game
postseason winning streak, and they didn't lose a game on
the road. Okay, I'm not going to diminish that. That's
a big deal.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
That's a big deal. They know what they sound like
the Texas Rangers from last year, Chris, Remember they they
didn't lose a road game, right, all.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Right, But think about this, in the first round, if
you're talking about like the opponents, the opponents have to
factor into it, like, let's say hall of famers. So
they got one Hall of Famer in the first round,
Bam bam out of Bio. No Jimmy Butler right, second
round I think we think Donovan Mitchell's gonna be a
Hall of Famer one day, but he missed two games, right,
(31:06):
third round. Maybe Tyree's halliburn to be a Hall of
Famer one day he missed two games.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
No, but this is the nippicking that you do with.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Someone.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I think Bam is.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Not a definite exactly. And so now now you've got
two first ballot Hall of Famers in Kyrie and Luca. Yeah,
that that works in your favorite but also it's the
Celtics guys, So I can't even say they'd be the
best team in Celtics history. I agree they win the championship, you.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Go, And that's why my short sided I think the
only way I would ever consider them among the best
teams ever is if this team is about to go
on a nice little stretch and maybe they win three
out of five, three out of city, you know what
I mean, where Tatum and Brown really become this duo
that wins multiple championships.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But just right now, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
And I don't know that I see that happening, but
there's no way right now I put this team on
that level.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
And that's a good point, Like we could go back
and say, Okay, that first one, we didn't think so,
but then they had a three p Yeah, then okay,
then you start to think about it. But I thought
the same thing, didn't you think the same thing last
year when when Denver won. Absolutely they got they got
the best player in the game. Oh, y'all, get your married.
They play off each other very well. Instead. Yeah, they
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lost some of those.
Speaker 9 (32:30):
They lost some of their complimentary pieces, but the core
is still there.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Man. This team might have a couple of championships in them.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah, you're right, it's seth fragile, it really is.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
All right, that's our man, Michael, Holly a man. Tell
your family we said hello.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
And listen, both of you. Both of you back. So
Broussard came to visit on the vineyard last year, you
were nowhere to be found.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
It was wonderful.
Speaker 9 (33:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
No, they Chris gave me the wrong dates because he
don't want me to ruin that trip up there. He
gave me the wrong dates.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Any time.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Alright, all right, Mike, thanks brother, All right, take care,
all right, moroc couple coming you away. Fox Sports Radio.
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player pole. These are always fun. They're anonymous, and you know,
(33:50):
they ask good questions and we get good answers from
the players.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Rob, do you explain this latest one? That's right?
Speaker 12 (33:56):
The annual Athletic Player Poll was released on Monday. MS
Price He didn't notice it, maybe because of the NBA
Finals and the Dan Hurley situation. But we have a
winner for twenty twenty four, receiving forty six percent of
the vote, nearly double the second place finisher, none other
than Dodgers' dual Star show, Hey Otani.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Some of the Commentsani wait Otani was first.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
Otani was first. A distant second was Ronald Lacuna Junior. Yes,
number three tied for third. Actually Mookie Betts and Aaron Judge,
a couple of MLB bros.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
You need to know.
Speaker 12 (34:35):
There you go, and players were asked to share their
comments quickly on each player. Here's they said about Otani quote,
there is no comparison. Everybody has a comp He's got
no comp You know what show hey Ruth or Babe Otani?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
No question.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yeah, we've talked about this. Remember all the players the year,
even the year, Aaron Judge, at to sixty two, they
were talking about Otana should be the MVP. You remember
that because they just they get it, you know, when
you pitching hit. But I only got one problem, Chris,
he ain't pitching this year. He ain't the best player
right now when he's doing both. Yes, right, he ain't
(35:12):
the best right now. Chris as just a hitter, is he?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I don't think you know, I agree, you know, I
think when he's doing both, I think he's the best
player we've ever seen. He does both at an elite level.
But yeah, just as a hitter, he's great. He's a
Hall of Fame reason, he's probably at all time great.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
But no, he's not the best just hitting.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I mean, look, Aaron Judge, I mean, right now he's
going to the argument, Well.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
He got twenty five was it twenty four? Twenty five
home runs?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Chris? I think he's got twenty six now, I'm not mistaken.
But look where we are wearing the what June tenth, right,
we still got three and a half months to go.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Really, he gonna get sick, He's gonna get sixty again.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
No, I yeah, I mean and then Mookie, I mean again,
Mookie's playing short stole a hitter. He is a great hitter,
old tiny. I mean Robbi's hitting three ten, He's got
fifteen dingers himself. But no, you could not say if
he's just hitting, you can't say he's.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
The best player in baseball. You can't say that.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
But I assuming he comes back to pitch in the future,
I do think he'll be the best then. But now
it's just a you know, I get the players they
love him, okay, because they know they are probably still
talking about.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
You know, they're still thinking to him as doing both
rob I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, that's what they're thinking of, because he's not doing
it this year. But they're just thinking about what he's
been able to accomplish. And again, he's a unicorn, Chris.
We haven't seen anybody do this. Even when you talk
about Babe Rute that was in the twenties, nobody saw it.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
And as you know, Robi, he didn't do it. He stopped,
you know, pitching when he became this phenomenal hitter. He
never hit more than twenty nine home runs as when
he was pitching full time. Right, So even Babe didn't
do it. Mich ohtany's doing it. And Rob, you know,
we talked about this before, you know, and we'll get
(37:09):
into it more tomorrow on this topic. But would this
be not a trend, but you know, would you start
to see at least a trickling of players trying to
do both?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I don't know that we will.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I used to think we would, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Do you feel, you know, from talking to people in baseball,
do you think we might see a couple guys trying
this or not?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I think I can't see anything. Yeah, you know what
this could be? This could go go the way Chris
of Tiger Woods when nobody came behind them, you know
what I mean. And I'm at Black Golfers, but nobody
come because you have to if you're gonna allow somebody
to do it, they got to be doing this in
(37:52):
the minor leagues. They can't do it now. We don't
know if anybody doing dual. Do we know of anybody?
I don't know of anybody. Oh so I don't I
don't know if this is going to open up for
for a lot of other guys to do both. You
got to be a special player. And when you see
him in person, he's a big guy, you know, Yes,
he really is.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yep, yep, no, no doubt. He's six ' four two ten.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yeah, he's a big guy.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
So yeah, all right, we got an hour left here
on the eye couple, y'all know what to do.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Keep that bad boy locks
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