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be just before the start of Game three, Pivotal Critical
Game three. You can't overestimate how big this game is.
Rob Dallas down two and if they lose tonight in
(01:19):
their first game at home.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
This thing is over.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You know a lot of people say, Rob, I don't
know where you're at on it. But a lot of
people say, look, one day, somebody's gonna come back from
three to zero down. It's never happened before in the NBA,
but they say, one day somebody.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Was right, we saw the Red Sox, so we's baseball,
no right. But I'm saying, at that time, Chris, when
the Red Sox did it, no one had ever done
it like that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
R so So I'm just not like ready to beat
to kind of guarantee anybody who's.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Thinking that is yes, you, because you can't be buying
into that, and a lot of things have to go
your way for you to be able to make that happen.
It's just the degree of difficulty is just too hard.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
It just is.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And and baseball, even though I don't want to be
little what the Red Sox did that year, because it
was phenomenal rob.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Two thousand and four, that was I mean, that was
the Yankees dynasty was continuing to go, Chris and up
three Oh they being the lasted it was like six
sixteen to seven or something.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It was like a joke.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
But in baseball, with pitching being like inordinately important, you
know what I.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Mean, it changes the momentum you get a good start,
the next game four changes everything.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yep, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Your pitchers get hot, your batters go cold, and it
can happen. But anyway, Rob, Chandler Parsons is a former
NBA player. He is saying, because you know, the guy
that's catching all the heat is Jason Tatum. We've talked
about that, he's averaging seventeen numbers.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
On the surface, his numbers don't look that bad as
far as just the total points averages per game.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
But she's almost averaging a triple double.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Seventeen points, ten rebounds, which is a team high, eight
and a half assists, which is a team high. But
as you said, the shooting is killing him.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yep. And thirty one percent in the finals.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Overall this year and twenty eight percent I believe from three.
So that is the problem with Jason Tatum right now.
But Chandler Parsons, Rob, and I will say this, he's
actually Tatum is not playing that poor. He's just missing shots,
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which is huge. But he is missing shots. He's playing
a good floor game all around, but missing shots. Let
me get his field goal. Yep, twenty eight percent from three.
So anyway, chan a pass though Rock thinks people are
being too.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Hard with Jason Tatum period.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
You know what's interesting about this is Tatum has not
been himself averaging the thirty and rank being efficient offensively.
But if this for Luka, if this were Jokic, we
would be praising him. How he's getting his teammates involved,
how he's letting the game come to him, how they're
want to rebound away from a triple, how their offense
is more balanced.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And by the way, you know what, there was one.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
They're winning.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
So we're still finding a way to nitpick Jason Tatum,
even though they are dominating this postseason. They've been cake
walking to the finals, they've been cake walking in the finals,
and that is without their best player, Jason Tatum, dominating
playing the game. The guy's averaging seventy. If the Nuggets
were up to oh, if the Nuggets were up to
(04:45):
oh right now, what if hevers is a triple double
in the NBA Finals and they win it all?
Speaker 8 (04:49):
But you know what if the Nuggets seventeen to ten
and ten, if the.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Nuggets were up to oh right now and those were
Jokic's number, we'd be praising him. I was a triple
double monster. I was getting his teammates involved. How he's
doing this? Why is it Jason? Why is it a
negative on Jason Tatum? That Jaylen Brown's having a great series,
That Drew Holliday had a big game too, that Preziingas
had a big game.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
One that shouldn't take away.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
From Jason Tatum's excellence just because his team is really good.
These other guys are playing good.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Look, Rob, I will say this, I do think for
whatever reason, I guess maybe because he is the leader
of the team, or at least the best player on
the team, they have, right, they have fallen short a
couple of times in the finals or even the conference
finals or early in the playoffs during this little run
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they've had.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Maybe that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And like you said, he wasn't good in the first
finals that he played in thirty five shooting against the
Golden State Warriors. I do think he's taking too much
heat Rob in that because he's been taking heat throughout
the playoffs, not just in these finals. So in the
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Eastern Conference Finals, he became the first Celtic ever yes
over Larry Bird, Yes over John Havlicek over Dave Cowens
over Bill Russell, Sam Jones, Paul Pierce, Garnett, Ray Allen,
whatever great Celtic you want to name. Jason Tatum did
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something none of them ever did, which is the average
thirty points, ten rebounds.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And five assists.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
The actually averaged six assists in the Eastern Conference finals,
and still people were talking about he didn't get the CON,
he didn't get the MVP, and people were talking about
he didn't play that well. Rob throughout these playoffs, he
has the best plus minus in the playoffs, not just
up the Celtics, of any player.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And of course we talked about how he's.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Playing a good floor game, all around game right now,
said so I give Chaylor Parsons a little bit of
agreement on that. That said, though Rob, if Luka Doncic
and Nikole Jokicic we're putting up these numbers and playing
this way in the finals, they would absolutely get criticized
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because of the thirty one percent shooting and Yokich averages
like thirty a game. So if he dropped the seventeen,
Rob people wouldn't be looking at that as great. I
don't know if they get quite as much heat because
they are winning. They don't have the history of failure
for lack of a better term.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
That Jason Tatum does.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
But don't act like they be getting praised one and
I'm sorry, I don't care what stats. Ah, he's almost
averaging a triple double and all this Chris six for
twenty two is bad. I don't care who you are.
Come on, you can't look at that and say he's
still playing fine, because if he was six for twenty
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two when they were down two Chris and he had
the same rebounds and assists, people would be killing him. Right,
come on, really, we would be slaughter Stop it. Don't
make an excuse and just say seventeen points is good. No, no,
not on six for twenty two. Seventeen points is good?
Chris on six or seven for it light you know
(08:25):
what I mean? Yeah, or something like that. Yeah, I'll
take that, but not six for twenty two. I just
think that's oversimplified. And he has a history and we
know the clutch situation that he's had the problem like
all of that counts. It's what you do when you're
one of those guys. You count everything, you nitpick. This
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is not a Jason Tatum thing. This is just how
it is. Are you a big boy, Chris or not
if you are you that guy, he's that guy like
you said, and he's actually said it, and hopefully Rob
as he struggles, I hope he really means.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
This and it is not just giving lip service.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You are criticized like this because you are so great
and people expect so much of you.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
They're not. I mean, if Derek White was.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Struggling like this, nobody at him right, even Drew Holliday
as good as he is. Like, you're that guy on
the Celtics, your first team all NBA. You're supposed to
play better and when you're not, it's because people have
high expectations for you.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Now, I hope he does understand that. Rob.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Do you think there's how much do you think there's
a lot of pressure on him tonight?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
No? Not because it's he shouldn't be playing with preussure.
He should just be playing because his team is up.
You know what I mean, you should be able to
go out if you're down on to Chris and you
haven't shot the ball, well, there's pressure that you need
to make something happen here because if you lose, you're done. Yeah,
how in the world could he go out tonight and
feel pressure to do what just played. If I'm Missoula,
(10:07):
just play tonight, dude, Just just play. Forget about the
first two games. Just go out and do what you
do and don't worry about we won those games. Let's
we let's win tonight. I need you to play your game.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
You know what's interesting Rob, and he is not on
the level of Lebron, right, but Lebron struggled in his
two finals, Rob even more so than this. I mean,
we'll see what continues to happen. But Rob in his
first finals, and Lebron was just twenty two, so he
(10:42):
probably got largely gotta pass and I think deservedly so
in two thousand and seven against what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
But if they would have won, nobody everybody would.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
But I mean, but still, I mean, I get what
you're saying, but that doesn't alway. It's not that black
and white. Sometimes it's like, yo, you gotta pray.
Speaker 9 (11:00):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
He was twenty two, he didn't have any you know,
his team around him wasn't that good. They beat the
really good Detroit Pistons that year, and you know, he
couldn't get it done against Tim Duncan.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
So he got a little bit of a past.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
But his numbers in that Rob were probably slightly worse
than Jason Tatum's or his first finals. It was very close,
but they weren't better. He actually averaged a lot more
turnovers than Tatum did. And then Rob, of course, Lebron's
second finals was an absolute disaster against Dallas. And so
(11:36):
you can bounce back from the yeah, yeah, you can
bounce back from this.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
But Rob, let me ask you this. If let's say Tatum.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Continues to struggle for the most part and they win,
and whether it's Drew Holliday, Jason, Jaylen Brown, whoever is
the finals MVP, how do you think I mean, obviously,
Tatum's gonna be happy and he he will get credit
because they won a championship. He's the best player. But
do you think that there will be some criticism or
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at least a negative.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Mark on him or even in his own mind after that.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
No, maybe in his mind he would have wished that
he played better. But winning covers up everything. It's like makeup, Chris,
it just does. And people will be happy that they won,
and they'll look at some of the other things that
he did, the rebounds, the assists, some of the other
stuff that he did and just have to accept it.
Sometimes just shots don't fall, you know, they just don't.
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And you don't want it to be in a six
or seven game series. You might have a couple of
bad nights, but you don't want it to be for
an extended period of time. But winning cures all. And
I don't think people will look at him. They'll be like,
he got a championship. That's what they needed to do.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, I think they're in the moment. I mean, in
the moment they'll be, you know, so Brady, because they won.
If I think next year come playoff time, you know,
there would be talk of it and will Tatum show
up and all that, But I think as time goes on, Rob,
You're right, it's about the championship period.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You you may remember this in Larry Bird's first finals
and we talk about you know, he was not the MVP.
It was Cornbread Cedric, Cornbread Maxwell, but Rob in a
three game stretch games three, four, and five, the Great
Larry Bird. Rob had an eight point game, an eight
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point game.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
And a twelve point game and he.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Shot three four eleven, three, four eleven five for sixteen.
That's Larry Bird and obviously you know, nobody even thinks
about that anymore. But that's the thing is Rob he
went on in other five those in playoff games and
play well, right, And that's just what Jason Tatum will
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have to do going forward.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
So no doubt about it. I just think for his
resume right here now, he needs to win.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yep, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
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says he's getting too much criticism and that if Nicola
Jokic or Luka Doncic was playing like Tatum is same
numbers and all that they would be getting praised.
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Speaker 3 (16:15):
On Fox, is.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Jason Tatum being unfairly criticized and with Luca and Yolkish
with the same numbers and same performance, be getting praised
your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
All right, Chris, let's kick it off with Albert and Georgia.
You're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up Albert?
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Oh no, they say, he said Ali, But it's Robert.
That's why.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
That's why Robert.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
All right, it's Robber, So it's not me, Robert. You sure, but.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Yeah, I wanted to say, Man, I definitely agree.
Speaker 11 (16:49):
Man.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I've been watching obviously our show, listening to yall show, Robert,
and then watching Chris on and I'm glad he was
saying on the show, is Luca doncis If he was
doing this, he would begin to praise. He's already getting
praised now, and he has rob because he has They
got a video on Twitter for at least like three
minutes going around where he's letting people just go past him.
(17:12):
He has twelve assists twelve tournovers in two games. He's
out of shapey kingo up and down the court to
push the tempo like the Pacers did, and his free
throws are horrible, and everybody's saying he's nothing more he
can do. I don't understand how well people saying he's
having this great game he's averaging.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'm just look, you make some valid points.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
The defense hasn't been great, although he's averaging three steals
a game. I know that's not all great defense, but
but he's averaging thirty one points, ten and a half rebounds,
both series highs, six assists on fifty one percent shooting.
The free throws is ridiculous. You're absolutely right, forty six percent.
(17:50):
He's not a great he's like a Lebron level.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Free throw, but he should be back for that.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, forty six percent. That's the biggest criticism to me.
We know he's not a great fender, but I I
have be not said he's playing great. I think he's
playing very good. He's carrying them and he's playing well
enough for them to win. If Kyrie was helping out,
but I I don't think he'd be getting praise Rob
(18:15):
at seventeen points a game.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Not Tatum.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I will give him that because they are up to
oh Rob and a big part of the storyline is
how poorly Tatum's playing.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
You know, right?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Kevin in Virginia, You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's up, keV?
Speaker 9 (18:35):
Hey guys.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
First, I want to say, you guys are the best
listener on radio and have been listening to radio for
thirty years. And the first time I ever called you
guys a great thank Kevin.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Wow. Thank That is such a compliment man, for real.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Yep, thank you, Rob and Rob feel funny. I don't
care what anybody else see you.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
There you go, my man, keV, Thank you, cav, Thank you.
I work hard for your entertainment dollar. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
No, I think that Joker has been getting disrespected up
until he won last year, So I don't agree with
that tape. That's a good point, yes, Joker and losing
up until he wanted championship. Chris, it's your boy, Nick,
right things. Joker should be in the w n B A.
Speaker 12 (19:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
There's a lot of haters a joker out there today.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, he was hard on Joker until he won that ship.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
W Wow, they got my players who could play in
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Thanks cav Quiet, Chris, you're not going there. Yeah, I
mean she's uh, she has as many turnovers as uh
lucas she could play in the NBA. I'm just saying,
thanks for the call, appreciate the support. Joseph in California. A.
You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
What's up, Joseph, Hey.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Guys, always enjoy your show.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
You're very entertaining, as the previous allers said, and I
enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
You go that out there.
Speaker 11 (20:03):
Okay, So the narrative that Tatum has done something no
other Celtic has done with a thirty ten and five,
it's just it's just asn't apples to apples today's NBA.
You can fall out of bed score in twenty. Back
in the day when some of the finals were ninety
to eighties, you just don't get this.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
But in the eighties though, I mean, I look, we've
talked about this on the show, and don't cut him off.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I want to hear you.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But in the eighties they scored a lot too, So
let's not act like the eighties they weren't putting up
points too.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They had it, but they didn't utilize it like they
do today. I will give you that though.
Speaker 11 (20:37):
Okay, what I'm saying is this the way the game
is played. It's not the point total, it's the way
the game is played. The key was clogged back then.
Now it's it's like, you know, where's Waldo in the middle,
because that's the way basketball's played. Five guys out on
the perimeter, and it's easy to get to.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
The rim most of the time.
Speaker 11 (20:56):
It's just an easier game to score in now.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Than it was then.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Chris and I agree, we agree on that. But it's
easy to score now.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Tatum is not in the class of Larry Bird. We're
not saying that at all.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
I'm not saying I know you're saying that.
Speaker 11 (21:11):
I get that. I get that, I totally I know
what you're getting at I didn't think you were saying
he's better than Bird. And it's just more about these
I mean, you see a lot of guys get just
easy rebounds. Yokis among them, you know, and they tott
him up. There's a lot of easy rebounds, a lot
of easy assists, and a lot of easy buckets in
today's NBA. That's not to take a shot at Tatum,
(21:34):
it's just the games he plays in today.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
No, it's true, that's what you're playing in.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You see guards sometimes have bigger rebounded numbers today, but
that's because there's obviously long jump shots, long rebounds, so
perimeter guys can get you know, a ton of rebounds now.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
So that's a good call. That's a good call.
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Speaker 9 (22:18):
Chris Rob Hey, thanks for cheering me up on a
tough day as we lost another NBA legend with Jerry West.
But you guys write a lot of good joy and levity.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yes, yes, well, let's look you you have covered basketball
in the LA area for years and so obviously you
interacted with Jerry West, I said, Mark, He's one of them,
was one of my favorite guys in the NBA to
talk to.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I really like.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Jerry a lot. What are your thoughts recollections.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
Of Julia Well, I have so many of them because,
as you mentioned, I've been in LA covering the NBA
in different capacities. I think the thing that I appreciate
with Jerry is that he was on HYS direct with you.
He shared with to you exactly what he thought and
so what that meant was you knew you were going
to get the straight scoop and honesty about what he
(23:06):
thought about a specific player, specific story angle you're talking about.
But he also let it be known to me and others,
you know, whether he liked your question or not. But
through the brutal honesty, I loved it because you always
knew where he stood and he was just always genuine.
I mean, he was always polite, and he always loved
(23:27):
the interaction. Like he there was never any feeling that
you're bothering him because he's Jerry West. He liked being
around people and he liked being able to share, you know,
his thoughts, strong opinions and securities about things and everything
in between. So it was always a treat, and you know,
it obviously helps that he I think he's the best
(23:49):
NBA executive of all time.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
And we talked about it earlier, Mark, if you had
to pick which one was greater him as a player
or him as an executive, and I said executive, Chris,
did you say you with me?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I don't really choose.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yeah, I mean I'm saying I'm saying executive and that's
not the pooh pooor or or discount his ability.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
As a player.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I mean, he's already won a lot of gold executive
and probably the gold executive, and he's not the goat player,
So you could just say that.
Speaker 9 (24:28):
Yeah, it's a it's a tough question to answer because
the resumes are both grateful and you look at his
time with the player with the Lakers. Yes, he only
one one championship, and you know there there's so much
heartbreak that he experienced during those finals losses against Boston,
but you know, he and eligend bayle Are were really
the players that laid the foundation for the Lakers being
(24:50):
who they were once they got to Los Angeles. But
when you look at his body of work, as an executive.
The results speak for itself. You know, he helped maintain
the showtime Lakers into you know, still winning at a
high level with always upgrading the roster with the right
supporting cast to make life easier for Kareem abdul Jabbar,
Magic Johnson and James Worthy. But he is obviously directly
(25:14):
responsible for the next two areas of championships with setting
Shaquille O'Neal as a free agent and having the foresight
to trade for this young high school prospect named Kobe Bryant.
So I remember when it was announced that Coche or
that Jerry West would get a statue in twenty eleven.
Kobe actually remarked to me that you could make a
(25:36):
case that his statue could be of himself as a
player as an executive. But you know, fast forward now
with Kobe gain his statue and them saying, the Lakers
saying he's going to have three, I would say now
is the time that they should have a statue of
Jerry West as an executive. But knowing how their relationship
with the Lakers have been a little frosty.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
And I was going to get I can't Yeah.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
Yeah, I mean you would hope maybe time heals those wounds,
and you know, when we lose a legend, you know,
sometimes there's those opportunities to pay more homage. But yeah,
I would be surprised because of what you just said.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
So with the Lakers, I mean, I don't know if
there's anything, you know, real significant to report, But what
is the latest kind of with the coaching search.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Obviously they got to hire a coach.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I don't know if it seems like they don't want
to hire somebody nobody wants to job.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
They need a coach, So what's going on.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
Yeah, ideally the Lakers get their head coach finally before
the NBA Draft, but whatever it's worth, Chris, it was
stressed to me that that's not necessarily the deadline. That's
the ideal deadline, but you know, if they have to
go past that because you got to draft players, you
gotta have a plan and free agency. So where they
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go from here, the expectation is they're gonna, you know,
begin talks that they once had once again with JJ
Riddick and James Brego. But it's also a strong likelihood
that they're going to bring new candidates into the mix.
So it's it's in quite a roller coas or this
coaching search.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Do you what have you heard anything?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
And I don't know that he's out of the running,
but you mentioned Berego and Reddick and those I mean
from you know the reporting out there, it seems like
those are the two I guess front runners for now.
Sam Cassell, what do you hear about him? We know
what he was like as a player, he.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Was a leader. He's a very good player. He's been
an assistant for fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But if he doesn't get this shot with the Lakers,
like it's kind of.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Like, well, when is he going to get one?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
It would like what do you hear in coaching circles
about Cassell and maybe what type of head coaching prospect you?
Speaker 9 (27:56):
Yeah, I think Sam Caselle's really respective, I mean former
NBA player. It's a really great personality. He knows how
to relate to people. So the feeling about Sam Cassel,
it's always just a matter of you know, when not
if he's going to get that head coaching spot now
as apper change the Lakers, I went ruled out the
Lakers will better and for worse have maintained. Hey, they're
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they're keeping an open mind as far as candidates both
experience inexperience that they'll consider. But I would be surprised,
especially because I think Boston would try to make it
worth his while to stay. But I know, obviously it's
different when you're an assistant coach and a team comes
knocking on your door about a head coaching position. You
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want to you want to listen. But if I had it,
if I had a guess, I think that he winds
up same put in Boston.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Let's talk about Boston and where they are as we
get into Game three. How surprised are you did? I
think you did pick Boston, But how surprised are you
that they're up to? Oh?
Speaker 9 (28:59):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Tata has played pretty well, but hadn't shot the ball well.
When you're big guy shooting six for twenty two in
game two and yet you have a nice, comfortable, two
old lead, are you surprised that what the Celtics are.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
I'm not surprised that Celtics are up to oh, but
I'm surprised with how they filled in the blank. So
I did not think that Chris opsporzingis even though he's
out for Game three. I thought that he would have
a limited workload limited impact in Game one and two
because he missed the previous ten because of his calf injury.
I thought that the Celtics would show how deep they are,
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and even if Jason Tatum's not at as best, it
didn't matter because they have such a deep team with
Jayleen Brown and juriu Holiday and Derek White. They're also
a great defensive team. But I also didn't anticipate is
I didn't think that the Dallas Mavericks would be playing
like the way they used to play when it was
LUCA Dodgers, where they had no supporting cast and no
reliable number two. I thought Kyrie Irving would show up
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and be the star that he was before this NBA series.
I also thought that the Luca's supporting cast would do
the same. And I think in the short term, I
think they're going to win Game three tonight because porsingis
is out, you know. I think that the fact that
they're at home that's going to allow their role players
and Kyrie to play better. But I think that moving forward,
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the trend line is going to stay the same. Some
assistant coaches from other teams maintained to me that whether
or not por singis is in or out or has
a huge impact or limited impact, the Celtics will still
win the series, and I believe that. But I think
beyond that, even if the Mavericks get a Game three,
I don't think that any of those trends are sustainable
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moving forward. I think the Celtics have just so much depth,
so much defensive reinforcements, that it's really going to be
Luca having to do a lot and the Celtics having
so many good options as planned one, two and three.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
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Speaker 1 (30:58):
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can let him go out in style.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Here we go, all right, Mark, enjoy the game, man, great.
Speaker 9 (31:09):
Stuf, I should call you a DJ Brusard for now on.
Appreciate that's right, that's right, all.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
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the Eye Couple. Keep it Lyve Aaron Rodgers a no
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Speaker 3 (31:36):
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Speaker 3 (31:48):
Nice start for the Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
They're thirteen to seven Luka, Doncis and Kyrie Irving both
playing aggressively and so far, so good for them. By
obviously very very early Rob. More reporting came out about
Aaron Rodgers. He missed second day of mini camp today.
Diana Russini, who does a good job covering the NFL,
(32:14):
she tweeted this this morning, Rob, Aaron Rodgers is skipping
all of Jet's mandatory mini camp this week because he
prefers to be somewhere else away from football.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
That's his choice, That was her tweet.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
There's an other reporting out there that he is had
scheduled a trip before while he was in rehab. Rob,
you know, while he was still getting himself healthy from
the Achilles, didn't realize that it would conflict with the
mini camp, even though I don't know if they could
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have known the exact date, but obviously he knows around
the time that Mini camp is and the Jets couldn't
excuse him from it, you know, making an excused absence
because you can't excuse trips. That's some of the reporting, uh,
And that they they're they're okay.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
With it's on vacation, right, that what.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
That's what it seems like.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I think that I think I think he is on
and Colin is actually Colin's not speculating, he's reporting that
he's on vacation.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
And that's what it seems like.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Like I said, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's necessarily going to me make him play poorly or
make him play great if he were there in these
two days.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
But I do think it's a terrible.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Look and I think it's smacks of hypocrisy and selfishness.
I mean, he's the guy that said we got to
get all the bs out of the building. That's not
about winning, you know. We we gotta be about football
and football first.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And all of that.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And Rob, you know, I know it could be bothersome,
It could be a bit get on your nerves a
little bit. It could be a hassle. But you it's
you can switch your trip, delay it a few days.
(34:20):
You got the money, all right. So I just think
he should have been there, and I think it's a
terrible look that he's not. And I think the Jets now,
I think some reporters rob are getting spends, you know,
from people in the building, and others are getting like
Russini Obviously, that seemed like a little edge to that report.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
So not a good look. But you know, it is
what it is.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
It's a results based business. So if he has a
bad year, they could go back to it. If he doesn't,
I don't even think they'll look at that. I mean no,
I'm just saying like that, you could use that, oh
it didn't come to the mini camp. I'm just you
could use that is another thing that didn't go right
when the Jets season. Okay, I'm saying if it falls apart,
if he plays well, it won't be mentioned. That's all
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I'm That's all I'm saying, is that's how we look
at you.
Speaker 9 (35:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
But but I but I think things in the moment
matter to of course, at the end of the day,
it's about results. But that doesn't mean you can't say, dude,
you should have been there, like you're the you're the leader,
mean everybody else.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Okay, but but when.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
It comes off like you know what I mean that.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
But if he plays well and they win their first round,
then I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like I hear
what you're saying, Chris, and it only matters if they
don't play well, we're gonna play well, not if he
plays really well. He could say I needed a vacation.
I needed that time off. I feel better now, I
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feel I.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Need a vacation.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Why, I'm sure everybody else would like a vacation too.
I'm just saying I agree with you. Of course, at
the end of the day, is gonna be how he
plays on Sundays. But it doesn't set a good tone
and it looks hypocritical. That's all I'm saying. And Rogie,
what were you saying about Mark?
Speaker 12 (36:11):
I was saying is you know you're asking about the
timeline of when these schedule was announced for Mini Camp.
The NFL sent out a league wide schedule on March thirtieth,
so he's known about Mini Camp for two months.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
You know, whether he booked a trip or not. This
is not like a last minute.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
He's choosing a vacation over Mini Caamp. That's what he's doing. Now,
what if seventeen other starters did that, would it be
all right?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I'm not saying to you, Rob, I'm just saying, in general.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Come on, it's a few days. You can go on vacation.
You got plenty of time.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Left for that.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
This was a bad decision by Aaron Rodgers. It was selfish,
it was hypocritical.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
And maybe this is the week of the Jazz Fest
in Toronto. I'm just saying
Speaker 10 (37:05):
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at the bottom of the hour. That will pretty much
be just before the start of Game three, Pivotal Critical
Game three. You can't overestimate how big this game is.
Rob Dallas down two and if they lose tonight in
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their first game at home.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
This thing is over.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You know a lot of people say, Rob, I don't
know where you're at on it. But a lot of
people say, look, one day, somebody's gonna come back from
three to zero down. It's never happened before in the NBA,
but they say, one day somebody.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Was right, we saw the Red Sox, so we's baseball,
no right. But I'm saying, at that time, Chris, when
the Red Sox did it, no one had ever done
it like that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
R so So I'm just not like ready to beat
to kind of guarantee anybody who's.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Thinking that is yes, you, because you can't be buying
into that, and a lot of things have to go
your way for you to be able to make that happen.
It's just the degree of difficulty is just too hard.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
It just is.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And and baseball, even though I don't want to be
little what the Red Sox did that year, because it
was phenomenal rob.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Two thousand and four, that was I mean, that was
the Yankees dynasty was continuing to go, Chris and up
three Oh they being the lasted it was like six
sixteen to seven or something.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It was like a joke.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
But in baseball, with pitching being like inordinately important, you
know what I.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Mean, it changes the momentum you get a good start,
the next game four changes everything.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yep, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Your pitchers get hot, your batters go cold, and it
can happen. But anyway, Rob, Chandler Parsons is a former
NBA player. He is saying, because you know, the guy
that's catching all the heat is Jason Tatum. We've talked
about that, he's averaging seventeen numbers.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
On the surface, his numbers don't look that bad as
far as just the total points averages per game.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
But she's almost averaging a triple double.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Seventeen points, ten rebounds, which is a team high, eight
and a half assists, which is a team high. But
as you said, the shooting is killing him.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yep. And thirty one percent in the finals.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Overall this year and twenty eight percent I believe from three.
So that is the problem with Jason Tatum right now.
But Chandler Parsons, Rob, and I will say this, he's
actually Tatum is not playing that poor. He's just missing shots,
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which is huge. But he is missing shots. He's playing
a good floor game all around, but missing shots. Let
me get his field goal. Yep, twenty eight percent from three.
So anyway, chan a pass though Rock thinks people are
being too.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Hard with Jason Tatum period.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
You know what's interesting about this is Tatum has not
been himself averaging the thirty and rank being efficient offensively.
But if this for Luka, if this were Jokic, we
would be praising him. How he's getting his teammates involved,
how he's letting the game come to him, how they're
want to rebound away from a triple, how their offense
is more balanced.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And by the way, you know what, there was one.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
They're winning.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
So we're still finding a way to nitpick Jason Tatum,
even though they are dominating this postseason. They've been cake
walking to the finals, they've been cake walking in the finals,
and that is without their best player, Jason Tatum, dominating
playing the game. The guy's averaging seventy. If the Nuggets
were up to oh, if the Nuggets were up to
(04:45):
oh right now, what if hevers is a triple double
in the NBA Finals and they win it all?
Speaker 8 (04:49):
But you know what if the Nuggets seventeen to ten
and ten, if the.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Nuggets were up to oh right now and those were
Jokic's number, we'd be praising him. I was a triple
double monster. I was getting his teammates involved. How he's
doing this? Why is it Jason? Why is it a
negative on Jason Tatum? That Jaylen Brown's having a great series,
That Drew Holliday had a big game too, that Preziingas
had a big game.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
One that shouldn't take away.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
From Jason Tatum's excellence just because his team is really good.
These other guys are playing good.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Look, Rob, I will say this, I do think for
whatever reason, I guess maybe because he is the leader
of the team, or at least the best player on
the team, they have, right, they have fallen short a
couple of times in the finals or even the conference
finals or early in the playoffs during this little run
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they've had.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Maybe that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And like you said, he wasn't good in the first
finals that he played in thirty five shooting against the
Golden State Warriors. I do think he's taking too much
heat Rob in that because he's been taking heat throughout
the playoffs, not just in these finals. So in the
(06:01):
Eastern Conference Finals, he became the first Celtic ever yes
over Larry Bird, Yes over John Havlicek over Dave Cowens
over Bill Russell, Sam Jones, Paul Pierce, Garnett, Ray Allen,
whatever great Celtic you want to name. Jason Tatum did
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something none of them ever did, which is the average
thirty points, ten rebounds.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And five assists.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
The actually averaged six assists in the Eastern Conference finals,
and still people were talking about he didn't get the CON,
he didn't get the MVP, and people were talking about
he didn't play that well. Rob throughout these playoffs, he
has the best plus minus in the playoffs, not just
up the Celtics, of any player.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And of course we talked about how he's.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Playing a good floor game, all around game right now,
said so I give Chaylor Parsons a little bit of
agreement on that. That said, though Rob, if Luka Doncic
and Nikole Jokicic we're putting up these numbers and playing
this way in the finals, they would absolutely get criticized
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because of the thirty one percent shooting and Yokich averages
like thirty a game. So if he dropped the seventeen,
Rob people wouldn't be looking at that as great. I
don't know if they get quite as much heat because
they are winning. They don't have the history of failure
for lack of a better term.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
That Jason Tatum does.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
But don't act like they be getting praised one and
I'm sorry, I don't care what stats. Ah, he's almost
averaging a triple double and all this Chris six for
twenty two is bad. I don't care who you are.
Come on, you can't look at that and say he's
still playing fine, because if he was six for twenty
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two when they were down two Chris and he had
the same rebounds and assists, people would be killing him. Right,
come on, really, we would be slaughter Stop it. Don't
make an excuse and just say seventeen points is good. No, no,
not on six for twenty two. Seventeen points is good?
Chris on six or seven for it light you know
(08:25):
what I mean? Yeah, or something like that. Yeah, I'll
take that, but not six for twenty two. I just
think that's oversimplified. And he has a history and we
know the clutch situation that he's had the problem like
all of that counts. It's what you do when you're
one of those guys. You count everything, you nitpick. This
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is not a Jason Tatum thing. This is just how
it is. Are you a big boy, Chris or not
if you are you that guy, he's that guy like
you said, and he's actually said it, and hopefully Rob
as he struggles, I hope he really means.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
This and it is not just giving lip service.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You are criticized like this because you are so great
and people expect so much of you.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
They're not. I mean, if Derek White was.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Struggling like this, nobody at him right, even Drew Holliday
as good as he is. Like, you're that guy on
the Celtics, your first team all NBA. You're supposed to
play better and when you're not, it's because people have
high expectations for you.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Now, I hope he does understand that. Rob.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Do you think there's how much do you think there's
a lot of pressure on him tonight?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
No? Not because it's he shouldn't be playing with preussure.
He should just be playing because his team is up.
You know what I mean, you should be able to
go out if you're down on to Chris and you
haven't shot the ball, well, there's pressure that you need
to make something happen here because if you lose, you're done. Yeah,
how in the world could he go out tonight and
feel pressure to do what just played. If I'm Missoula,
(10:07):
just play tonight, dude, Just just play. Forget about the
first two games. Just go out and do what you
do and don't worry about we won those games. Let's
we let's win tonight. I need you to play your game.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
You know what's interesting Rob, and he is not on
the level of Lebron, right, but Lebron struggled in his
two finals, Rob even more so than this. I mean,
we'll see what continues to happen. But Rob in his
first finals, and Lebron was just twenty two, so he
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probably got largely gotta pass and I think deservedly so
in two thousand and seven against what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
But if they would have won, nobody everybody would.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
But I mean, but still, I mean, I get what
you're saying, but that doesn't alway. It's not that black
and white. Sometimes it's like, yo, you gotta pray.
Speaker 9 (11:00):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
He was twenty two, he didn't have any you know,
his team around him wasn't that good. They beat the
really good Detroit Pistons that year, and you know, he
couldn't get it done against Tim Duncan.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
So he got a little bit of a past.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
But his numbers in that Rob were probably slightly worse
than Jason Tatum's or his first finals. It was very close,
but they weren't better. He actually averaged a lot more
turnovers than Tatum did. And then Rob, of course, Lebron's
second finals was an absolute disaster against Dallas. And so
(11:36):
you can bounce back from the yeah, yeah, you can
bounce back from this.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
But Rob, let me ask you this. If let's say Tatum.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Continues to struggle for the most part and they win,
and whether it's Drew Holliday, Jason, Jaylen Brown, whoever is
the finals MVP, how do you think I mean, obviously,
Tatum's gonna be happy and he he will get credit
because they won a championship. He's the best player. But
do you think that there will be some criticism or
(12:10):
at least a negative.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Mark on him or even in his own mind after that.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
No, maybe in his mind he would have wished that
he played better. But winning covers up everything. It's like makeup, Chris,
it just does. And people will be happy that they won,
and they'll look at some of the other things that
he did, the rebounds, the assists, some of the other
stuff that he did and just have to accept it.
Sometimes just shots don't fall, you know, they just don't.
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And you don't want it to be in a six
or seven game series. You might have a couple of
bad nights, but you don't want it to be for
an extended period of time. But winning cures all. And
I don't think people will look at him. They'll be like,
he got a championship. That's what they needed to do.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, I think they're in the moment. I mean, in
the moment they'll be, you know, so Brady, because they won.
If I think next year come playoff time, you know,
there would be talk of it and will Tatum show
up and all that, But I think as time goes on, Rob,
You're right, it's about the championship period.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You you may remember this in Larry Bird's first finals
and we talk about you know, he was not the MVP.
It was Cornbread Cedric, Cornbread Maxwell, but Rob in a
three game stretch games three, four, and five, the Great
Larry Bird. Rob had an eight point game, an eight
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point game.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
And a twelve point game and he.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Shot three four eleven, three, four eleven five for sixteen.
That's Larry Bird and obviously you know, nobody even thinks
about that anymore. But that's the thing is Rob he
went on in other five those in playoff games and
play well, right, And that's just what Jason Tatum will
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have to do going forward.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
So no doubt about it. I just think for his
resume right here now, he needs to win.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yep, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Right A seven seven ninety nine On Fox Your Turn
to way in on uh Jason Tatan now, Chandler Parson
says he's getting too much criticism and that if Nicola
Jokic or Luka Doncic was playing like Tatum is same
numbers and all that they would be getting praised.
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Speaker 3 (16:15):
On Fox, is.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Jason Tatum being unfairly criticized and with Luca and Yolkish
with the same numbers and same performance, be getting praised
your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
All right, Chris, let's kick it off with Albert and Georgia.
You're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up Albert?
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Oh no, they say, he said Ali, But it's Robert.
That's why.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
That's why Robert.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
All right, it's Robber, So it's not me, Robert. You sure, but.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Yeah, I wanted to say, Man, I definitely agree.
Speaker 11 (16:49):
Man.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I've been watching obviously our show, listening to yall show, Robert,
and then watching Chris on and I'm glad he was
saying on the show, is Luca doncis If he was
doing this, he would begin to praise. He's already getting
praised now, and he has rob because he has They
got a video on Twitter for at least like three
minutes going around where he's letting people just go past him.
(17:12):
He has twelve assists twelve tournovers in two games. He's
out of shapey kingo up and down the court to
push the tempo like the Pacers did, and his free
throws are horrible, and everybody's saying he's nothing more he
can do. I don't understand how well people saying he's
having this great game he's averaging.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'm just look, you make some valid points.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
The defense hasn't been great, although he's averaging three steals
a game. I know that's not all great defense, but
but he's averaging thirty one points, ten and a half rebounds,
both series highs, six assists on fifty one percent shooting.
The free throws is ridiculous. You're absolutely right, forty six percent.
(17:50):
He's not a great he's like a Lebron level.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Free throw, but he should be back for that.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, forty six percent. That's the biggest criticism to me.
We know he's not a great fender, but I I
have be not said he's playing great. I think he's
playing very good. He's carrying them and he's playing well
enough for them to win. If Kyrie was helping out,
but I I don't think he'd be getting praise Rob
(18:15):
at seventeen points a game.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Not Tatum.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I will give him that because they are up to
oh Rob and a big part of the storyline is
how poorly Tatum's playing.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
You know, right?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Kevin in Virginia, You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's up, keV?
Speaker 9 (18:35):
Hey guys.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
First, I want to say, you guys are the best
listener on radio and have been listening to radio for
thirty years. And the first time I ever called you
guys a great thank Kevin.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Wow. Thank That is such a compliment man, for real.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Yep, thank you, Rob and Rob feel funny. I don't
care what anybody else see you.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
There you go, my man, keV, Thank you, cav, Thank you.
I work hard for your entertainment dollar. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
No, I think that Joker has been getting disrespected up
until he won last year, So I don't agree with
that tape. That's a good point, yes, Joker and losing
up until he wanted championship. Chris, it's your boy, Nick,
right things. Joker should be in the w n B A.
Speaker 12 (19:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
There's a lot of haters a joker out there today.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, he was hard on Joker until he won that ship.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
W Wow, they got my players who could play in
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Thanks cav Quiet, Chris, you're not going there. Yeah, I
mean she's uh, she has as many turnovers as uh
lucas she could play in the NBA. I'm just saying,
thanks for the call, appreciate the support. Joseph in California. A.
You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
What's up, Joseph, Hey.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Guys, always enjoy your show.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
You're very entertaining, as the previous allers said, and I
enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
You go that out there.
Speaker 11 (20:03):
Okay, So the narrative that Tatum has done something no
other Celtic has done with a thirty ten and five,
it's just it's just asn't apples to apples today's NBA.
You can fall out of bed score in twenty. Back
in the day when some of the finals were ninety
to eighties, you just don't get this.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
But in the eighties though, I mean, I look, we've
talked about this on the show, and don't cut him off.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I want to hear you.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But in the eighties they scored a lot too, So
let's not act like the eighties they weren't putting up
points too.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They had it, but they didn't utilize it like they
do today. I will give you that though.
Speaker 11 (20:37):
Okay, what I'm saying is this the way the game
is played. It's not the point total, it's the way
the game is played. The key was clogged back then.
Now it's it's like, you know, where's Waldo in the middle,
because that's the way basketball's played. Five guys out on
the perimeter, and it's easy to get to.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
The rim most of the time.
Speaker 11 (20:56):
It's just an easier game to score in now.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Than it was then.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Chris and I agree, we agree on that. But it's
easy to score now.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Tatum is not in the class of Larry Bird. We're
not saying that at all.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
I'm not saying I know you're saying that.
Speaker 11 (21:11):
I get that. I get that, I totally I know
what you're getting at I didn't think you were saying
he's better than Bird. And it's just more about these
I mean, you see a lot of guys get just
easy rebounds. Yokis among them, you know, and they tott
him up. There's a lot of easy rebounds, a lot
of easy assists, and a lot of easy buckets in
today's NBA. That's not to take a shot at Tatum,
(21:34):
it's just the games he plays in today.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
No, it's true, that's what you're playing in.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You see guards sometimes have bigger rebounded numbers today, but
that's because there's obviously long jump shots, long rebounds, so
perimeter guys can get you know, a ton of rebounds now.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
So that's a good call. That's a good call.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
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Speaker 1 (22:05):
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Our next guest, that's right, Fox Sports Radio, NBA insider
Mark Fucky, Cole Madina.
Speaker 9 (22:18):
Chris Rob Hey, thanks for cheering me up on a
tough day as we lost another NBA legend with Jerry West.
But you guys write a lot of good joy and levity.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yes, yes, well, let's look you you have covered basketball
in the LA area for years and so obviously you
interacted with Jerry West, I said, Mark, He's one of them,
was one of my favorite guys in the NBA to
talk to.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I really like.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Jerry a lot. What are your thoughts recollections.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
Of Julia Well, I have so many of them because,
as you mentioned, I've been in LA covering the NBA
in different capacities. I think the thing that I appreciate
with Jerry is that he was on HYS direct with you.
He shared with to you exactly what he thought and
so what that meant was you knew you were going
to get the straight scoop and honesty about what he
(23:06):
thought about a specific player, specific story angle you're talking about.
But he also let it be known to me and others,
you know, whether he liked your question or not. But
through the brutal honesty, I loved it because you always
knew where he stood and he was just always genuine.
I mean, he was always polite, and he always loved
(23:27):
the interaction. Like he there was never any feeling that
you're bothering him because he's Jerry West. He liked being
around people and he liked being able to share, you know,
his thoughts, strong opinions and securities about things and everything
in between. So it was always a treat, and you know,
it obviously helps that he I think he's the best
(23:49):
NBA executive of all time.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
And we talked about it earlier, Mark, if you had
to pick which one was greater him as a player
or him as an executive, and I said executive, Chris,
did you say you with me?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I don't really choose.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yeah, I mean I'm saying I'm saying executive and that's
not the pooh pooor or or discount his ability.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
As a player.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I mean, he's already won a lot of gold executive
and probably the gold executive, and he's not the goat player,
So you could just say that.
Speaker 9 (24:28):
Yeah, it's a it's a tough question to answer because
the resumes are both grateful and you look at his
time with the player with the Lakers. Yes, he only
one one championship, and you know there there's so much
heartbreak that he experienced during those finals losses against Boston,
but you know, he and eligend bayle Are were really
the players that laid the foundation for the Lakers being
(24:50):
who they were once they got to Los Angeles. But
when you look at his body of work, as an executive.
The results speak for itself. You know, he helped maintain
the showtime Lakers into you know, still winning at a
high level with always upgrading the roster with the right
supporting cast to make life easier for Kareem abdul Jabbar,
Magic Johnson and James Worthy. But he is obviously directly
(25:14):
responsible for the next two areas of championships with setting
Shaquille O'Neal as a free agent and having the foresight
to trade for this young high school prospect named Kobe Bryant.
So I remember when it was announced that Coche or
that Jerry West would get a statue in twenty eleven.
Kobe actually remarked to me that you could make a
(25:36):
case that his statue could be of himself as a
player as an executive. But you know, fast forward now
with Kobe gain his statue and them saying, the Lakers
saying he's going to have three, I would say now
is the time that they should have a statue of
Jerry West as an executive. But knowing how their relationship
with the Lakers have been a little frosty.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
And I was going to get I can't Yeah.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
Yeah, I mean you would hope maybe time heals those wounds,
and you know, when we lose a legend, you know,
sometimes there's those opportunities to pay more homage. But yeah,
I would be surprised because of what you just said.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
So with the Lakers, I mean, I don't know if
there's anything, you know, real significant to report, But what
is the latest kind of with the coaching search.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Obviously they got to hire a coach.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I don't know if it seems like they don't want
to hire somebody nobody wants to job.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
They need a coach, So what's going on.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
Yeah, ideally the Lakers get their head coach finally before
the NBA Draft, but whatever it's worth, Chris, it was
stressed to me that that's not necessarily the deadline. That's
the ideal deadline, but you know, if they have to
go past that because you got to draft players, you
gotta have a plan and free agency. So where they
(26:58):
go from here, the expectation is they're gonna, you know,
begin talks that they once had once again with JJ
Riddick and James Brego. But it's also a strong likelihood
that they're going to bring new candidates into the mix.
So it's it's in quite a roller coas or this
coaching search.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Do you what have you heard anything?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
And I don't know that he's out of the running,
but you mentioned Berego and Reddick and those I mean
from you know the reporting out there, it seems like
those are the two I guess front runners for now.
Sam Cassell, what do you hear about him? We know
what he was like as a player, he.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Was a leader. He's a very good player. He's been
an assistant for fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But if he doesn't get this shot with the Lakers,
like it's kind of.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Like, well, when is he going to get one?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
It would like what do you hear in coaching circles
about Cassell and maybe what type of head coaching prospect you?
Speaker 9 (27:56):
Yeah, I think Sam Caselle's really respective, I mean former
NBA player. It's a really great personality. He knows how
to relate to people. So the feeling about Sam Cassel,
it's always just a matter of you know, when not
if he's going to get that head coaching spot now
as apper change the Lakers, I went ruled out the
Lakers will better and for worse have maintained. Hey, they're
(28:18):
they're keeping an open mind as far as candidates both
experience inexperience that they'll consider. But I would be surprised,
especially because I think Boston would try to make it
worth his while to stay. But I know, obviously it's
different when you're an assistant coach and a team comes
knocking on your door about a head coaching position. You
(28:39):
want to you want to listen. But if I had it,
if I had a guess, I think that he winds
up same put in Boston.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Let's talk about Boston and where they are as we
get into Game three. How surprised are you did? I
think you did pick Boston, But how surprised are you
that they're up to? Oh?
Speaker 9 (28:59):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Tata has played pretty well, but hadn't shot the ball well.
When you're big guy shooting six for twenty two in
game two and yet you have a nice, comfortable, two
old lead, are you surprised that what the Celtics are.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
I'm not surprised that Celtics are up to oh, but
I'm surprised with how they filled in the blank. So
I did not think that Chris opsporzingis even though he's
out for Game three. I thought that he would have
a limited workload limited impact in Game one and two
because he missed the previous ten because of his calf injury.
I thought that the Celtics would show how deep they are,
(29:34):
and even if Jason Tatum's not at as best, it
didn't matter because they have such a deep team with
Jayleen Brown and juriu Holiday and Derek White. They're also
a great defensive team. But I also didn't anticipate is
I didn't think that the Dallas Mavericks would be playing
like the way they used to play when it was
LUCA Dodgers, where they had no supporting cast and no
reliable number two. I thought Kyrie Irving would show up
(29:57):
and be the star that he was before this NBA series.
I also thought that the Luca's supporting cast would do
the same. And I think in the short term, I
think they're going to win Game three tonight because porsingis
is out, you know. I think that the fact that
they're at home that's going to allow their role players
and Kyrie to play better. But I think that moving forward,
(30:19):
the trend line is going to stay the same. Some
assistant coaches from other teams maintained to me that whether
or not por singis is in or out or has
a huge impact or limited impact, the Celtics will still
win the series, and I believe that. But I think
beyond that, even if the Mavericks get a Game three,
I don't think that any of those trends are sustainable
(30:40):
moving forward. I think the Celtics have just so much depth,
so much defensive reinforcements, that it's really going to be
Luca having to do a lot and the Celtics having
so many good options as planned one, two and three.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
All right, that is our man, Funky cole Madina.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Bring that beat back, Bring that beat back so we
can let him go out in style.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Here we go, all right, Mark, enjoy the game, man, great.
Speaker 9 (31:09):
Stuf, I should call you a DJ Brusard for now on.
Appreciate that's right, that's right, all.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Right, all right, brother, that's Mark, Funky cole Madina. It's
the Eye Couple. Keep it Lyve Aaron Rodgers a no
show for day two? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Chris Brussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm
Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
That bas is booming. Let it breathe.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
All right, It is the Oye Couple live from the
tire rack dot Com Studios rap.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Nice start for the Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
They're thirteen to seven Luka, Doncis and Kyrie Irving both
playing aggressively and so far, so good for them. By
obviously very very early Rob. More reporting came out about
Aaron Rodgers. He missed second day of mini camp today.
Diana Russini, who does a good job covering the NFL,
(32:14):
she tweeted this this morning, Rob, Aaron Rodgers is skipping
all of Jet's mandatory mini camp this week because he
prefers to be somewhere else away from football.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
That's his choice, That was her tweet.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
There's an other reporting out there that he is had
scheduled a trip before while he was in rehab. Rob,
you know, while he was still getting himself healthy from
the Achilles, didn't realize that it would conflict with the
mini camp, even though I don't know if they could
(32:54):
have known the exact date, but obviously he knows around
the time that Mini camp is and the Jets couldn't
excuse him from it, you know, making an excused absence
because you can't excuse trips. That's some of the reporting, uh,
And that they they're they're okay.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
With it's on vacation, right, that what.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
That's what it seems like.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I think that I think I think he is on
and Colin is actually Colin's not speculating, he's reporting that
he's on vacation.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
And that's what it seems like.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Like I said, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's necessarily going to me make him play poorly or
make him play great if he were there in these
two days.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
But I do think it's a terrible.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Look and I think it's smacks of hypocrisy and selfishness.
I mean, he's the guy that said we got to
get all the bs out of the building. That's not
about winning, you know. We we gotta be about football
and football first.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And all of that.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And Rob, you know, I know it could be bothersome,
It could be a bit get on your nerves a
little bit. It could be a hassle. But you it's
you can switch your trip, delay it a few days.
(34:20):
You got the money, all right. So I just think
he should have been there, and I think it's a
terrible look that he's not. And I think the Jets now,
I think some reporters rob are getting spends, you know,
from people in the building, and others are getting like
Russini Obviously, that seemed like a little edge to that report.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
So not a good look. But you know, it is
what it is.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
It's a results based business. So if he has a
bad year, they could go back to it. If he doesn't,
I don't even think they'll look at that. I mean no,
I'm just saying like that, you could use that, oh
it didn't come to the mini camp. I'm just you
could use that is another thing that didn't go right
when the Jets season. Okay, I'm saying if it falls apart,
if he plays well, it won't be mentioned. That's all
(35:07):
I'm That's all I'm saying, is that's how we look
at you.
Speaker 9 (35:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
But but I but I think things in the moment
matter to of course, at the end of the day,
it's about results. But that doesn't mean you can't say, dude,
you should have been there, like you're the you're the leader,
mean everybody else.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Okay, but but when.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
It comes off like you know what I mean that.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
But if he plays well and they win their first round,
then I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like I hear
what you're saying, Chris, and it only matters if they
don't play well, we're gonna play well, not if he
plays really well. He could say I needed a vacation.
I needed that time off. I feel better now, I
(35:51):
feel I.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Need a vacation.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Why, I'm sure everybody else would like a vacation too.
I'm just saying I agree with you. Of course, at
the end of the day, is gonna be how he
plays on Sundays. But it doesn't set a good tone
and it looks hypocritical. That's all I'm saying. And Rogie,
what were you saying about Mark?
Speaker 12 (36:11):
I was saying is you know you're asking about the
timeline of when these schedule was announced for Mini Camp.
The NFL sent out a league wide schedule on March thirtieth,
so he's known about Mini Camp for two months.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
You know, whether he booked a trip or not. This
is not like a last minute.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
He's choosing a vacation over Mini Caamp. That's what he's doing. Now,
what if seventeen other starters did that, would it be
all right?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I'm not saying to you, Rob, I'm just saying, in general.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Come on, it's a few days. You can go on vacation.
You got plenty of time.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Left for that.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
This was a bad decision by Aaron Rodgers. It was selfish,
it was hypocritical.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
And maybe this is the week of the Jazz Fest
in Toronto. I'm just saying
Speaker 10 (37:05):
Everything's not funny.
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