June 13, 2024 • 37 mins
Chris and Rob tell us why the Boston Celtics’ dominance in these NBA Finals isn’t the ‘big victory’ for analytics that some people think it is and discuss whether Brian Windhorst would have been as forceful in his criticism of Luka Doncic if he wasn’t a foreign-born player. Plus, the guys go head-to-head in a very special Celtics-themed edition of Teichert’s Tower of Trivia.
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Tower of Trivia coming up at the bottom of the hour.
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for the time being, we're gonna talk more NBA Finals
and Rob g there's some very interesting analytical numbers about
(01:14):
these Celtises. Now they're a they're like the poster team,
if you will, for analytics. All right, that's the whole
thing with the three point shooting and for those, I
mean it's simple math. It's amazing, Rob that for the
first I don't know, twenty five thirty years of the
(01:39):
three point line, nobody really thought about this. But three
is better than two. And if you're not gonna shoot
the same percentage from three point land as you shoot
from two, but Rob, you don't have to. That's the
whole thing behind the analytics craze. And you know this,
(01:59):
Rob coming up. I mean, if you shoot fifty percent
from the field, that's great. Well, if you shoot thirty
three percent from three point land, which isn't even league average,
now that's the equivalent of fifty percent from two point range.
So that's why the three point revolution took place and
(02:23):
why it's such a big part of.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
The game now.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And now what the analytics tell you the percentage of
you know, chances you make certain shots.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
The ultra analytic teams only want to shoot in the
paint or three pointers, and D'Antoni may have been the
first to kind of start this, but they don't want
to shoot mid range shots, particularly the long you know,
the twenty footers, the nineteen footers, because the percentage the
(02:59):
chance of you hit no, are only slightly better than
if you hit a three. So they're like, well, why
don't you move out a couple of feet and get
three points instead of two. So that's what the analytics
teams do. Three pointers, shots in the paint, and free throws.
That is what they do. And rob g got some numbers.
(03:21):
That's what Boston is kind of doing to a t
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (03:24):
That is correct.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
They're doing exactly what they've done throughout the regular season.
Now last night was the pinnacle of that though, because
during this series they're averaging about half of their shots
are three point attempts a little more than half. Actually,
last night, forty six of their eighty two attempts were
from deep. And to your point about where they're getting
(03:46):
their shots. Mentioned the three point shooting. They scored one
hundred and six points in Game three. One hundred of
them came from either the three point line, inside the paint,
or at the free throw line.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
One hundred of they're one hundred and six points came
in those three ways.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Absolutely, And it's interesting because they only made three mid range.
They attended six, three of six from mid range. One
of the mid range shots they made was what many
would call the biggest shot of the game.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
That was a Jalen Brand.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
The game.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yep, yeah, that was a huge shot. It wasn't the
game winner technically if you just look at the points.
Was the dunk I believe by Tatum in the language
was a nice dunk. But yeah, to me, the big
shot was Tatum or Brown's twenty one footer. That to
me was like, okay, it's over. That kind of sealed it.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Look, during the regular season, Boston averaged ninety shots a game,
and forty two of them were threes, So it wasn't
quite fifty percent, but it was close.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
I wouldn't be surprised if.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Next year it is fifty percent. And you know, that's
kind of way the league. Obviously, it just gets more.
The three get higher and higher every year, and so
you know we'll see I mean during the playoffs, I
think they've gotten even more. That eighty four shot eighty
three point eight shots a game for Celtics, forty point
(05:14):
two of them are three, So that's that's a higher
percentage of their shots are three. So yeah, I wouldn't
be surprised if next year is fifty percent of their
shots are threes.
Speaker 8 (05:23):
But the only thing is, and I get the analytics
and Chris, it still comes down to talent and roster
because what was the game, rob G was a game
two day shot ten for thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Do you remember the.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
Well they haven't shot the three. Well that's that's what
I made.
Speaker 8 (05:40):
Like, like, it's not just the analytics and shooting three.
They have a better roster, have better players, but they
got a roster built.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
To play analytics style. I get that, but it really
is what it is.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
But but it's still but it's not like they're killing
the analytics. Game of making the threes is what I'm
saying to you. But but analytics.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
This is also the points in the paint not meet.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But the threes are big.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
They take a lot of threes, and I'm just saying
that they've won, CHRISTI, in spite of not making them.
That's all I'm saying is like, that's not the only
way that you can win is by knocking down that
many threes.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And they've still been able to win. That's all I'm
not saying.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
You go away from analytics all the way, but they
are more ways to win than just that. You can
go if you want to hold them as up as
the poster boy for analytics.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
That's fine.
Speaker 8 (06:30):
People say that with the Red Sox. I remember when
they won and I was like, I get it. They
use some analytics, but some guys they got some big
hits too, That's what I mean, right, talk.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
But their rosters built to play analytics style basketball ride.
We talked about our Carrie and Antonio Daniels talking about it.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
They got eight guys, they're eight man rotation.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
All of them can shoot threes. That's an analytically built team,
you know. And they you know, they don't take a
ton of meal range shots, and they're not the only ones.
But yeah, I mean it's this is what they are doing.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
Is its system or is it is its system, Chris
or is it talent? Like I get what you're saying
completely well, but they're both. That's what I'm saying that
I think is a mix.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I mean, you gotta have guys that can play, but
these guys, like, I mean, they they do have.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
A bunch of three point shooters.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
For their style of play, and we you know, that
was one of the reasons I thought maybe when they
do go cold, it could come back to bite them.
But like you said this series cold. Now Dallas is
cold too, that's part of that's part of it. But
that their defense is even built analytically is that they
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take away the corner three and by that's the easiest
three point shot in the league and one of the
easier shots in the league. And so they've taken that
away and that's been a huge part of Dallas's success
throughout these playoffs. And so that is, you know, it's
(08:09):
all analytically based, and Missoula is huge on that obviously,
and this because they didn't I mean, they obviously all
the teams incorporate analytics, but when Underdoka, they weren't this
heavily analytic, and Missoula came in and just completely made them.
And I don't think it was only him. I'm sure
(08:31):
Brad Stevens has something to do with it as well,
but yeah, they're playing this way. What I wonder rob
is is they're a threshold of when the game becomes
two to three point heavy, Like is there I don't know,
I don't know what it is, and then maybe there
isn't one. But if I don't know what sixty percent
(08:51):
of the shots become threes, does it become something we
don't recognize anywhere, like the All Star Game. That's my
firm belief. Yeah, that was as All Star game. Yeah
that I remember it was. I think it was twenty fourteen.
I remember that when they went from about eighty combined threes.
Speaker 7 (09:11):
To like one hundred and eaters.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I was gonna say three hundred because that's what it
felt like.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, once it went over one hundred, it was just like, Okay,
it's not even a game anymore. But you know it's
gonna be interesting because Rob, you know it's a copycat league,
and so it'll be You wonder next year, are the
three pointers gonna skyrocket? Because the team that shot the
most this year won the championship.
Speaker 8 (09:39):
Yeap, And I just wonder. I wonder people, Chris, and
I think you just said it. You do have to
have the personnel just in putting in the system and
wanting to do something. If you don't make those shots
and you don't you know what I mean, then then
then you gotta have the people of performing. People will
(10:00):
pull it off. Just like we talked about before. It's
just a little different. But when pat Riley went to
the Knicks, he didn't bring showtime with him to New York. Mike,
you didn't have the personnel, right, you just can't go, well,
this is my system and this is what we do,
and we're gonna run up and down and the point
guard is gonna be doing all these no look passes
(10:21):
and dunks.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And no, you didn't have those players.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
No, And that was impressive. It really was completely it
was very impressive.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
No, I agree with you, right, And I think what Boston,
what they would say, and I'm sure what they will do.
They're going to go out and get players that fit
that system, you know, and look for them. I mean,
they're gonna lock up, you know. I think Tatum will
get an extension this summer, so he and Brown will
be the they're the core.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
So what.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well he's gonna get with the throw over three hundred,
he will now become the highest paid guy in the league.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
It was Jaylen Brown.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You knew, you know that would only last for this cycle, right,
But they'll they'll get players that fit that and I
think next year they'll essentially be intact. And then how
will they be able to keep these guys or retool
going forward? But Rob, this is you know we talk
(11:22):
about will they be an all time great team. For me,
they're gonna have to win another one, would like in
the next they have to win one of the next
two and maybe become like a mini dynasty or something
like that for me to think they're an all time
great team.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Nick Wright said this on our show First Things, First
to Day, and it made sense and I think you'll
understand it too. That Piston team we talk about a
lot oh four and we've compared this team to that
one because you know, no superstar, but a bunch of
stars and rob that, you know, I mean, they some
(12:01):
people say should have beaten San Antonio the following year.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
Well where she left? Was it rob It or Robert
Rio open? He went to double in the corner. Chris
I was sitting right over there. It was unbelievable. And
then Robert that was the big thing. And I remember
talking to Larry Brown. He said, that kid is torn
(12:25):
up talking about what she because they told her do
not under any circumstance leave Robert Orry, do not leave them,
and and they had a chance to win that game.
I don't know if you remember what happened at the
end after that, Rip had a shot that that he
had a shot at the end, they had a chance
to win that and they might have won the championship
had they won that game, because you remember they were
(12:46):
down two, came back to Detroit, won Game three, one, game.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Four, and then they lost that game. Yeah, and then
they won Game six in San Antonio. To push it this, I.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
Think they would have won had that.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Had that you know, Robert or didn't make that show.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, I agree, But my point is this, rob had
they won that series and now they're back to back
champions and you remember they got back to the conference
finals several years after that, they would.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Have been viewed. We would have held them in even
higher esteem.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You know what I'm saying, Like they're not viewed as
one of the all time great teams. No, no, but
don't Had they beaten they obviously beat Shaq and Kobe,
had they also beaten duncan you know what I mean,
we probably would have We may have looked at them
that way. And that's what I'm saying about these Celtics,
like this one championship is not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
They were wildly impressed. It's been a great year, but
just one is not going to do it. And that's
what I'm like Denver, Rob. If Denver won this year,
some we'd probably be saying, they're like maybe one of
the greatest teams, you know what I mean of all
time or something like that.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
No, you gotta do more.
Speaker 8 (13:55):
And for the Pistons, the only thing that saved them, Chris,
was that they got back to the finals.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So they right, So it wasn't that game for you
know what I mean, like like, it wasn't just the flukey.
Everything worked their way.
Speaker 8 (14:07):
They made it back to the finals and they lost
in seven games, So people feel good about that team.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
But you're right, uh, and the way you look at teams.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, no doubt about it, No doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
All right?
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seven seven ninety nine on Fox. Since Celtics very an
analytically driven team about to win a championship. What are
your thoughts? Eight seven seven ninety Fox?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Hey, what is that that seventies show? Very nice? I
had no idea a show past the nineties. Can you
believe it?
Speaker 8 (16:19):
I remember them bopping in the car? Right, that's impressed. Yes,
let's do it. Aaron and bat Tom Rouge. You're on
they couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's happening, Aaron?
Speaker 11 (16:32):
How's it going?
Speaker 8 (16:33):
Guy?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Doing great?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Great?
Speaker 11 (16:35):
But so I put the Celtics in that category like
they they're floored because we see how teams come back
on them. But the thing with with with them is
they can sit down on teams and play decentse right,
like they have some of the best defenders. Uh as
far as like when you know overall you got you know,
you got Drew Holliday, of course, Jalen Brown, Derrick White
(17:00):
and even you know Tatum is long athletics. Sometimes he
goes through his loss, but he still can play defense
as well. Just kind of like right, right, just like
that first year when when the Warriors won with stuff,
you know, they yeah, they shot a lot of threes,
but what people forget is they were one of the
best intensive teams in the league that year, right, Yeah,
(17:25):
not like that. But I think what people sometimes start
to realize is they can go you know, they were
guarden guards and that's why I picked him. I think
Rob picked him as well, but I picked them up.
I picked them as well this series because I had
a filling that Drew, Derek and those guys would do
a good job on Luca and Kyrie and obviouly, Lucas
still getting his numbers, but it's been a lot tougher
(17:45):
for him this playoff series. So that's why I think,
like the analytics comes in with the offense and everything,
but sometimes people forget, like Rob mentioned, it's the it's
the team, the athleticism, the garden and those stuff that
always can't you know.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I guess it's somewhat analytically based too, because again the
way to corner three and they do try to limit
threes overall and hit three, hit threes.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
And limit your threes. That's kind of what they try.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
To do, no doubt.
Speaker 11 (18:16):
And one thing before I go to I hadn't heard
much talk about just that court.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Ever.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
No, I know that went didn't win it, that went
away real quick, doubt, Aaron. And that's that's what we
always talk about, the prisoner of the moment like it
was a conversation.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
And it lasted about a cup of coffee in the
swite roll, Chris, And that was accomplishments matter.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
It does just be oh, they looked like this or that,
you got to accomplish them.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Van in Duluth, Minnesota, you're in the odd couple of
Fox Sports radar. I've never been to Duluth, Chris. Have
you been in Duluth?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (18:50):
No, No? Are you doing?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Van? People out there?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah? How far from Minneapolis?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
The big superior man.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Okay, okay, awesome scenic area.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Last night you were asking if this basketball the NBA
Finals has to do a favorite metrics? Know what it
has to do with the two things? Fellas have eight real,
real good players. He has two great players, one of
which I was amazed. Buddy. He gets his fourth fall
and said, look a letter, be careful. He gets this
(19:27):
fifth ball, I'm taking a look a better be real careful,
and we're as hope kids knowing this guy's a hothead,
beeping it rest all the time. That breaks happen while
he's deeping. This guy's got to get ahead of his head.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
He thinks a lot will have to really, I mean,
hopefully it'll get to you think it will be crazy?
Do you do you think at some point? I mean,
I don't think he's gonna be like this his whole career.
I definitely think it'll get to him, and may hope
this will be the incident that does it.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
But I do think he'll he'll get better there.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
I definitely do eighty nine on five five G you
have something you want to say.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
It's not a statement, more of a question. I know
we're up against here with trending, so hard to be quick.
So you guys said in the last segment that with Boston,
it's because they shoot so many threes and and they're
gonna win the championship that you might see more copycats,
even more than we already have in the NBA.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
Right.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
You also said, though, however, is what makes them different
is not that they shoot all these threes it's that
they got the guys who can do it. They have
four or five guys. They have that at all times,
you can operate at a high level. So with all
that in mind, is the is the the plan moving
forward if you're a competing team, not to try to
be like Boston because you kinardly can't out Boston Boston.
(20:50):
Is the plan to zig and go the other way
and say, what can we do We do we invest
more in a power game that's gonna slow it down.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Do we do the opposite of them? Because we do
what they do well, you.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
Might be able to do what they do. I mean,
Golden State was unique.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Remember when they first started their run, and then I
mean Draymond even said teams caught up, teams started doing
being able to do what they do well.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
They're not going to go ahead and do your thing
and act like they're not going to try to copy.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
You and figure it out.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I mean, teams still don't do what Golden State does.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Though they shoot threes, they shoot more threes, but they
don't run their offense.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, but but but Denver plays egalitarian offense. It runs
through yogics. But everybody's getting their touches Boston. Everybody's getting
their touches, But I just think like Dallas is a
little bit. I mean, Dallas is different from Boston, right
they got there.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
They're kind of a one or two man team.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
They got size inside, like Lively and Gafford aren't gonna
shoot threes.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
They can catch it the rim and dunk, you know,
so they're a little different.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I did think Boston matched up better with Dallas than Minnesota.
That would have been interesting too. I mean Minnesota might
not have been able to guard him either, right because
they got Gobart has to get out on the floor
and guard.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
So I don't know it would be interesting, but I
do think.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean, look at the seventh and eighth man you're
talking about Sam Houser and Peyton Pritchard. I mean they're
not phenomenal obviously, so you can you know, it's the
key is can the team get.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
Five to three point shooters?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
And you know, I'll be.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Interesting to see what they do though. All right, Tyser
Tower is next.
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Speaker 7 (22:48):
Live all right, thank you, Steve, you have a great night.
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It is the ide couple Chris and Rob live from
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Speaker 12 (24:28):
One day we were like, we'd love to have you
on the show, and He's like, not the type of
culture we're looking for.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
You know what. I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
I told your producer I was washing my hair that
day and it's just unfair.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I'm just not gonna that's unfair.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
I mean that shouldn't it taken that got?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
What are you saying? I'm just saying how to take
you to wash your hair?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
No?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
You know what's funny is Alex actually pitched Shallow Oceans
of the podcast the sports Wrap Radio and he got
an email back and said he don't have the experience.
We're looking for my experience. We mean the black experience.
But he tried, he didn't work out.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
All right.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
It is Ty Tower of Trivia, the Boston Celtics themed
edition because they're on the verge of yet another NBA title.
Flipped a coin during the update and Rob Parker gets
question number one.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
He always seems to go first.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
He lost last week. That's right, Dang, you're like the
Luka Donchez last week. Didn't always complaining about I don't.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
Remember if you want or not, no matter what happens,
that means I want to.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
All right, Rob, let's go. You know the rules.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
No tomfoolery.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Before the season, Celtics vans were lukewarm at best on
head coach Joe Misula. They used to call him second blank.
Excuse me, I screw that up. That's really bad. We'll
do it anyway, Rob, second blank, Joe. Rob, don't look
at the answer. That's wrong because he literally sat behind
the bench when he coached under em dope.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
So can you tell me what it is in my ear? Okay?
Speaker 8 (26:05):
Wait what because no, no, no, The question is I
don't know if you looked at it it's wrong's wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
That's oh I did Yeah, okay, I looked at that
because he said one. I was Chris, sext you the answer.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
You should know the answer.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Here we go, Alex, are you ready.
Speaker 12 (26:22):
I'm a little shocked that you guys don't know the answer,
but hopefully I didn't.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I didn't look, but I just yeah, Alex, here we go.
I didn't know Rob was error prone like that.
Speaker 12 (26:33):
Boh, you're rowing rowing.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I saw it at you advantage.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
There was a fly in this and that was way
how long y'all go?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Let Rob.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
I mean you're in the studio.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
You have the same advantages, Chris.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
This is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
That was there was a fly I saw Rob.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I was doing this.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Rob.
Speaker 12 (26:57):
I thought you were continuing our conversation of how to churn.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
But yes, Rob, I thought you were a man, a guy.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
What we needed for Chris to say, first things first,
don't send a car service for me. Just gave me
a plane ticket to la and he goes on a
Thursday to do this segment level number two over to Chris.
The Celtics are currently led by the Jays. That would
be Jason Tatum and Jalen Blank.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
It's a bad clue. Right here, Alex, You're right, Rob,
thank you?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Here we go, Here we go, please Celtics currently led
by the Jays.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
That would be Jason Tatum and Jalen Blank.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Black Black.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Why that is incorrect? Okay, it was your influxyb. I
was terrible. It was a terrible clue. You had no chance.
It was the opposite it, you know, like three, you
had no check.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
So when the Mets get to walk off, was that
when you asked the question? J D Martinez walked off
the Marlins? Okay, here we go, Alex. Look at the
background call on TV two, Alex, here we go. Okay,
all right, you ready, I'm ready. Thank you for asking
Buster Brown.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I was gonna say that, but I didn't think
you get by Alex.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Alex, Butter Brown is an old shoe. I mean, are
growing up? Stride right Chris right and Buster Brown? Those
were the two.
Speaker 12 (28:37):
What also helps when Rob uses his hands to help
me fill in the next at.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
The back of his hand, athlete, I did what did
I do?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
This sin his skin? Alex sneak MLB bro.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
No right, If igro.
Speaker 8 (28:59):
If I touched my skate, he might have said, acne
you don't have acne stop.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
I think you might have said, ashy.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Okay, Rob Parker nineteen to zero back to you so
you can get a chance to really blow it open
here Blank Hourbach famously coached the Celtics to nine NBA
titles in the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Rob, all right, here we go, Alex. Are you ready?
Thank you? Rob? Chris never asks. I know, he doesn't care.
Speaker 12 (29:33):
I know, Okay, one playlist and that's it, Rob. One playlist.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Lobster, lobster, lobster.
Speaker 12 (29:48):
Do I have a bib on, Rob? That's what I'm
wondering right now. Okay, not Rep Lopster.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
This is getting ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, look at you, Rob. I didn't say anything, Chris
when he said out, I didn't controler.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
I didn't say that commission he said, Do I have
a bid bowing? I don't know they're doing, Charaine.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
This is the Luka Don of sports.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Complain win or lose.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
He's complaining, all right, level the man, Come on, bro back,
come on, yeah, come on, come on, here we go, Chris.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Let's get on the let's get on the board.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Here, come on.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Celtics guard Derek Blank is one of the best on
ball defenders in the league. In fact, he was named
second team All Defense this year.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
All right, here we go, Alex.
Speaker 13 (30:41):
Barry Barry, No, he's going to get this very Barry,
very let me here.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
I'm saying it again.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
What a good one A I had to read the.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
It was the same one that was a cheap job.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Word.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
No, I don't understand, like Chris hughes black the other
one in the and the other.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
Clue for what I thought about that?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Right and then white would have been natural.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I thought about saying it, but I think I thought,
would you have gotten that?
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Alex last year said the same clue as last time?
All right back to Rob, I mean, Rob, you get
this when it's over us?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Terrible, he was. I can't believe that.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
You gotta get it.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
He ain't gonna get this one.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
He's leaving the door open.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Rob, you're over here using your heads here, said Chris. Right,
he's leading. No, there's a flying studio.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Read try Rob.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Kyrie Irving has now lost thirteen straight games against Boston
after he stomped on Blank the Leprechaun on mid court.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
All right, Alex, you ready, I'm ready, Rob? Okay, here
we go. Okay, charms lucky, no radio.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Let that bad.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
We gotta go. We gotta pay, Bi look Comelong, we
gotta pay. We don't be quiet. Turn it up. Terrible,
Oh yeah, terrible, terrible. My Jesus hot for sure.
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Speaker 3 (33:13):
All right, Rob, are.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
We gonna play the Brian win Horse rant on Luca. Okay, Rob,
you want to say a lot of people know about it.
Brian went, horse went man, he went, he scorched, he
went scorched earth on.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
The I've never seen Brian one horse that worked.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Up, he walked, he was much more gentle today this
morning on shows. But yeah, he went off on you,
But go ahead, you gott a thought on.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
It, Rob Chris, this was I'm gonna be honest and
you know me, I'm gonna keep it real with you.
I'm not so sure that he would have gone off
had that been Jason Tatum or another I think foreign
players get beat up because because a way more like
(34:03):
they're not coming back at these guys. They're not they're
not looking to them for information or whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Like I don't want to say they don't need them
or don't use them, or they're not in the flow
of what you know. The other guys are in the
NBNA Am I right there to the side because.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Of the barrier? Am I? Am I wrong for thinking that?
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Like if that wasson, if that was Jason Tatum and
the same exact thing, I don't know if he would
have gone on him like he did in that situation,
because it wouldn't be just the wrath of Jason Tatum.
Other players would be like did you see how he
did Jason?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (34:44):
Like like they would hold him to a different standard
and say, man, well, you know like, was that necessary?
And Luca they they, I just think it's easier to
attack players who who aren't in the mix, or an
American player who could come back at you and other
players who could stand up for him.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
That That's the first thing I thought was that it
was harsh.
Speaker 8 (35:09):
It was hard, it was loud, Chris, it was wow,
I thought to myself. But I just couldn't see him
doing that to anybody else. That was so out of
character for him. And I think that Luca being a
foreign player had something to do with why he went
over the top.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
That's that's just how I I gotta be.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I can't respond. I have no idea if Luca being
foreign had anything to do with it.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
I mean that I've never seen win Horse go at
any player.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Like that, So I I would not like yesterday this
time yesterday, Rob, I.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
Wouldn't have thought he would have win it a foreign
player like that.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
So I can't say. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
If it had anything to do with Luca being, you know,
an international player or not. I just can't say whether
or not he would have went in an American like that.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I mean, that's your feeling, is legitimate, but I I
don't know, I've know, Like I said, I've never seen him,
and you rarely see I mean, you know, you got
guys that are do you know debate Stephen A, myself,
Nick right Us, you know on our show. But win
Words is a reporter. He's not an opinionist, you know
(36:27):
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
That's what threw me.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Was, Yeah, it was it was I would not have
thought he would have said something like that about any
player with that type of you know, intensity, so and not.
Speaker 7 (36:40):
You know, you might be right.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I just I just couldn't.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
See him doing that to any I really couldn't Chris,
an American player like Jalen Brown or or no Kyrie people.
If he would have done that to Kyrie, the reaction
from people, Chris, they would have they would have won
off on him.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I mean, it's that's a good it's a you bring
up a really interesting point.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I don't know if you know if he would have
bit his tongue on an American.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Place, But I agree with you, Chris.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
The one thing, he's a reporter, that was really out
of character and I.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Was stunned by it. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was
good TV. It's all over the place. I get it.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Yeah, all right, it's the OKA but we signed off.
But keep it locked.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You got Jason Smith and Mike Harmon next and those
two Alex you know what they bring fire CB
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Tower of Trivia coming up at the bottom of the hour.
You do not want to miss that. It's always a
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for the time being, we're gonna talk more NBA Finals
and Rob g there's some very interesting analytical numbers about
(01:14):
these Celtises. Now they're a they're like the poster team,
if you will, for analytics. All right, that's the whole
thing with the three point shooting and for those, I
mean it's simple math. It's amazing, Rob that for the
first I don't know, twenty five thirty years of the
(01:39):
three point line, nobody really thought about this. But three
is better than two. And if you're not gonna shoot
the same percentage from three point land as you shoot
from two, but Rob, you don't have to. That's the
whole thing behind the analytics craze. And you know this,
(01:59):
Rob coming up. I mean, if you shoot fifty percent
from the field, that's great. Well, if you shoot thirty
three percent from three point land, which isn't even league average,
now that's the equivalent of fifty percent from two point range.
So that's why the three point revolution took place and
(02:23):
why it's such a big part of.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
The game now.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And now what the analytics tell you the percentage of
you know, chances you make certain shots.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
The ultra analytic teams only want to shoot in the
paint or three pointers, and D'Antoni may have been the
first to kind of start this, but they don't want
to shoot mid range shots, particularly the long you know,
the twenty footers, the nineteen footers, because the percentage the
(02:59):
chance of you hit no, are only slightly better than
if you hit a three. So they're like, well, why
don't you move out a couple of feet and get
three points instead of two. So that's what the analytics
teams do. Three pointers, shots in the paint, and free throws.
That is what they do. And rob g got some numbers.
(03:21):
That's what Boston is kind of doing to a t
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (03:24):
That is correct.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
They're doing exactly what they've done throughout the regular season.
Now last night was the pinnacle of that though, because
during this series they're averaging about half of their shots
are three point attempts a little more than half. Actually,
last night, forty six of their eighty two attempts were
from deep. And to your point about where they're getting
(03:46):
their shots. Mentioned the three point shooting. They scored one
hundred and six points in Game three. One hundred of
them came from either the three point line, inside the paint,
or at the free throw line.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
One hundred of they're one hundred and six points came
in those three ways.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Absolutely, And it's interesting because they only made three mid range.
They attended six, three of six from mid range. One
of the mid range shots they made was what many
would call the biggest shot of the game.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
That was a Jalen Brand.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
The game.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yep, yeah, that was a huge shot. It wasn't the
game winner technically if you just look at the points.
Was the dunk I believe by Tatum in the language
was a nice dunk. But yeah, to me, the big
shot was Tatum or Brown's twenty one footer. That to
me was like, okay, it's over. That kind of sealed it.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Look, during the regular season, Boston averaged ninety shots a game,
and forty two of them were threes, So it wasn't
quite fifty percent, but it was close.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
I wouldn't be surprised if.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Next year it is fifty percent. And you know, that's
kind of way the league. Obviously, it just gets more.
The three get higher and higher every year, and so
you know we'll see I mean during the playoffs, I
think they've gotten even more. That eighty four shot eighty
three point eight shots a game for Celtics, forty point
(05:14):
two of them are three, So that's that's a higher
percentage of their shots are three. So yeah, I wouldn't
be surprised if next year is fifty percent of their
shots are threes.
Speaker 8 (05:23):
But the only thing is, and I get the analytics
and Chris, it still comes down to talent and roster
because what was the game, rob G was a game
two day shot ten for thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Do you remember the.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
Well they haven't shot the three. Well that's that's what
I made.
Speaker 8 (05:40):
Like, like, it's not just the analytics and shooting three.
They have a better roster, have better players, but they
got a roster built.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
To play analytics style. I get that, but it really
is what it is.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
But but it's still but it's not like they're killing
the analytics. Game of making the threes is what I'm
saying to you. But but analytics.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
This is also the points in the paint not meet.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But the threes are big.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
They take a lot of threes, and I'm just saying
that they've won, CHRISTI, in spite of not making them.
That's all I'm saying is like, that's not the only
way that you can win is by knocking down that
many threes.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And they've still been able to win. That's all I'm
not saying.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
You go away from analytics all the way, but they
are more ways to win than just that. You can
go if you want to hold them as up as
the poster boy for analytics.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
That's fine.
Speaker 8 (06:30):
People say that with the Red Sox. I remember when
they won and I was like, I get it. They
use some analytics, but some guys they got some big
hits too, That's what I mean, right, talk.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
But their rosters built to play analytics style basketball ride.
We talked about our Carrie and Antonio Daniels talking about it.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
They got eight guys, they're eight man rotation.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
All of them can shoot threes. That's an analytically built team,
you know. And they you know, they don't take a
ton of meal range shots, and they're not the only ones.
But yeah, I mean it's this is what they are doing.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
Is its system or is it is its system, Chris
or is it talent? Like I get what you're saying
completely well, but they're both. That's what I'm saying that
I think is a mix.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I mean, you gotta have guys that can play, but
these guys, like, I mean, they they do have.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
A bunch of three point shooters.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
For their style of play, and we you know, that
was one of the reasons I thought maybe when they
do go cold, it could come back to bite them.
But like you said this series cold. Now Dallas is
cold too, that's part of that's part of it. But
that their defense is even built analytically is that they
(07:48):
take away the corner three and by that's the easiest
three point shot in the league and one of the
easier shots in the league. And so they've taken that
away and that's been a huge part of Dallas's success
throughout these playoffs. And so that is, you know, it's
(08:09):
all analytically based, and Missoula is huge on that obviously,
and this because they didn't I mean, they obviously all
the teams incorporate analytics, but when Underdoka, they weren't this
heavily analytic, and Missoula came in and just completely made them.
And I don't think it was only him. I'm sure
(08:31):
Brad Stevens has something to do with it as well,
but yeah, they're playing this way. What I wonder rob
is is they're a threshold of when the game becomes
two to three point heavy, Like is there I don't know,
I don't know what it is, and then maybe there
isn't one. But if I don't know what sixty percent
(08:51):
of the shots become threes, does it become something we
don't recognize anywhere, like the All Star Game. That's my
firm belief. Yeah, that was as All Star game. Yeah
that I remember it was. I think it was twenty fourteen.
I remember that when they went from about eighty combined threes.
Speaker 7 (09:11):
To like one hundred and eaters.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I was gonna say three hundred because that's what it
felt like.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, once it went over one hundred, it was just like, Okay,
it's not even a game anymore. But you know it's
gonna be interesting because Rob, you know it's a copycat league,
and so it'll be You wonder next year, are the
three pointers gonna skyrocket? Because the team that shot the
most this year won the championship.
Speaker 8 (09:39):
Yeap, And I just wonder. I wonder people, Chris, and
I think you just said it. You do have to
have the personnel just in putting in the system and
wanting to do something. If you don't make those shots
and you don't you know what I mean, then then
then you gotta have the people of performing. People will
(10:00):
pull it off. Just like we talked about before. It's
just a little different. But when pat Riley went to
the Knicks, he didn't bring showtime with him to New York. Mike,
you didn't have the personnel, right, you just can't go, well,
this is my system and this is what we do,
and we're gonna run up and down and the point
guard is gonna be doing all these no look passes
(10:21):
and dunks.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And no, you didn't have those players.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
No, And that was impressive. It really was completely it
was very impressive.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
No, I agree with you, right, And I think what Boston,
what they would say, and I'm sure what they will do.
They're going to go out and get players that fit
that system, you know, and look for them. I mean,
they're gonna lock up, you know. I think Tatum will
get an extension this summer, so he and Brown will
be the they're the core.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
So what.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well he's gonna get with the throw over three hundred,
he will now become the highest paid guy in the league.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
It was Jaylen Brown.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You knew, you know that would only last for this cycle, right,
But they'll they'll get players that fit that and I
think next year they'll essentially be intact. And then how
will they be able to keep these guys or retool
going forward? But Rob, this is you know we talk
(11:22):
about will they be an all time great team. For me,
they're gonna have to win another one, would like in
the next they have to win one of the next
two and maybe become like a mini dynasty or something
like that for me to think they're an all time
great team.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Nick Wright said this on our show First Things, First
to Day, and it made sense and I think you'll
understand it too. That Piston team we talk about a
lot oh four and we've compared this team to that
one because you know, no superstar, but a bunch of
stars and rob that, you know, I mean, they some
(12:01):
people say should have beaten San Antonio the following year.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
Well where she left? Was it rob It or Robert
Rio open? He went to double in the corner. Chris
I was sitting right over there. It was unbelievable. And
then Robert that was the big thing. And I remember
talking to Larry Brown. He said, that kid is torn
(12:25):
up talking about what she because they told her do
not under any circumstance leave Robert Orry, do not leave them,
and and they had a chance to win that game.
I don't know if you remember what happened at the
end after that, Rip had a shot that that he
had a shot at the end, they had a chance
to win that and they might have won the championship
had they won that game, because you remember they were
(12:46):
down two, came back to Detroit, won Game three, one, game.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Four, and then they lost that game. Yeah, and then
they won Game six in San Antonio. To push it this, I.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
Think they would have won had that.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Had that you know, Robert or didn't make that show.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, I agree, But my point is this, rob had
they won that series and now they're back to back
champions and you remember they got back to the conference
finals several years after that, they would.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Have been viewed. We would have held them in even
higher esteem.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You know what I'm saying, Like they're not viewed as
one of the all time great teams. No, no, but
don't Had they beaten they obviously beat Shaq and Kobe,
had they also beaten duncan you know what I mean,
we probably would have We may have looked at them
that way. And that's what I'm saying about these Celtics,
like this one championship is not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
They were wildly impressed. It's been a great year, but
just one is not going to do it. And that's
what I'm like Denver, Rob. If Denver won this year,
some we'd probably be saying, they're like maybe one of
the greatest teams, you know what I mean of all
time or something like that.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
No, you gotta do more.
Speaker 8 (13:55):
And for the Pistons, the only thing that saved them, Chris,
was that they got back to the finals.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So they right, So it wasn't that game for you
know what I mean, like like, it wasn't just the flukey.
Everything worked their way.
Speaker 8 (14:07):
They made it back to the finals and they lost
in seven games, So people feel good about that team.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
But you're right, uh, and the way you look at teams.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, no doubt about it, No doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
All right?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
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Speaker 1 (15:48):
We are live from Thetirerag dot Com Studios and eight
seven seven ninety nine on Fox. Since Celtics very an
analytically driven team about to win a championship. What are
your thoughts? Eight seven seven ninety Fox?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Hey, what is that that seventies show? Very nice? I
had no idea a show past the nineties. Can you
believe it?
Speaker 8 (16:19):
I remember them bopping in the car? Right, that's impressed. Yes,
let's do it. Aaron and bat Tom Rouge. You're on
they couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's happening, Aaron?
Speaker 11 (16:32):
How's it going?
Speaker 8 (16:33):
Guy?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Doing great?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Great?
Speaker 11 (16:35):
But so I put the Celtics in that category like
they they're floored because we see how teams come back
on them. But the thing with with with them is
they can sit down on teams and play decentse right,
like they have some of the best defenders. Uh as
far as like when you know overall you got you know,
you got Drew Holliday, of course, Jalen Brown, Derrick White
(17:00):
and even you know Tatum is long athletics. Sometimes he
goes through his loss, but he still can play defense
as well. Just kind of like right, right, just like
that first year when when the Warriors won with stuff,
you know, they yeah, they shot a lot of threes,
but what people forget is they were one of the
best intensive teams in the league that year, right, Yeah,
(17:25):
not like that. But I think what people sometimes start
to realize is they can go you know, they were
guarden guards and that's why I picked him. I think
Rob picked him as well, but I picked them up.
I picked them as well this series because I had
a filling that Drew, Derek and those guys would do
a good job on Luca and Kyrie and obviouly, Lucas
still getting his numbers, but it's been a lot tougher
(17:45):
for him this playoff series. So that's why I think,
like the analytics comes in with the offense and everything,
but sometimes people forget, like Rob mentioned, it's the it's
the team, the athleticism, the garden and those stuff that
always can't you know.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I guess it's somewhat analytically based too, because again the
way to corner three and they do try to limit
threes overall and hit three, hit threes.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
And limit your threes. That's kind of what they try.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
To do, no doubt.
Speaker 11 (18:16):
And one thing before I go to I hadn't heard
much talk about just that court.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Ever.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
No, I know that went didn't win it, that went
away real quick, doubt, Aaron. And that's that's what we
always talk about, the prisoner of the moment like it
was a conversation.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
And it lasted about a cup of coffee in the
swite roll, Chris, And that was accomplishments matter.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
It does just be oh, they looked like this or that,
you got to accomplish them.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Van in Duluth, Minnesota, you're in the odd couple of
Fox Sports radar. I've never been to Duluth, Chris. Have
you been in Duluth?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (18:50):
No, No? Are you doing?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Van? People out there?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah? How far from Minneapolis?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
The big superior man.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Okay, okay, awesome scenic area.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Last night you were asking if this basketball the NBA
Finals has to do a favorite metrics? Know what it
has to do with the two things? Fellas have eight real,
real good players. He has two great players, one of
which I was amazed. Buddy. He gets his fourth fall
and said, look a letter, be careful. He gets this
(19:27):
fifth ball, I'm taking a look a better be real careful,
and we're as hope kids knowing this guy's a hothead,
beeping it rest all the time. That breaks happen while
he's deeping. This guy's got to get ahead of his head.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
He thinks a lot will have to really, I mean,
hopefully it'll get to you think it will be crazy?
Do you do you think at some point? I mean,
I don't think he's gonna be like this his whole career.
I definitely think it'll get to him, and may hope
this will be the incident that does it.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
But I do think he'll he'll get better there.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
I definitely do eighty nine on five five G you
have something you want to say.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
It's not a statement, more of a question. I know
we're up against here with trending, so hard to be quick.
So you guys said in the last segment that with Boston,
it's because they shoot so many threes and and they're
gonna win the championship that you might see more copycats,
even more than we already have in the NBA.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
Right.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
You also said, though, however, is what makes them different
is not that they shoot all these threes it's that
they got the guys who can do it. They have
four or five guys. They have that at all times,
you can operate at a high level. So with all
that in mind, is the is the the plan moving
forward if you're a competing team, not to try to
be like Boston because you kinardly can't out Boston Boston.
(20:50):
Is the plan to zig and go the other way
and say, what can we do We do we invest
more in a power game that's gonna slow it down.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Do we do the opposite of them? Because we do
what they do well, you.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
Might be able to do what they do. I mean,
Golden State was unique.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Remember when they first started their run, and then I
mean Draymond even said teams caught up, teams started doing
being able to do what they do well.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
They're not going to go ahead and do your thing
and act like they're not going to try to copy.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
You and figure it out.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I mean, teams still don't do what Golden State does.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Though they shoot threes, they shoot more threes, but they
don't run their offense.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, but but but Denver plays egalitarian offense. It runs
through yogics. But everybody's getting their touches Boston. Everybody's getting
their touches, But I just think like Dallas is a
little bit. I mean, Dallas is different from Boston, right
they got there.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
They're kind of a one or two man team.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
They got size inside, like Lively and Gafford aren't gonna
shoot threes.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
They can catch it the rim and dunk, you know,
so they're a little different.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I did think Boston matched up better with Dallas than Minnesota.
That would have been interesting too. I mean Minnesota might
not have been able to guard him either, right because
they got Gobart has to get out on the floor
and guard.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
So I don't know it would be interesting, but I
do think.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean, look at the seventh and eighth man you're
talking about Sam Houser and Peyton Pritchard. I mean they're
not phenomenal obviously, so you can you know, it's the
key is can the team get.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
Five to three point shooters?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
And you know, I'll be.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Interesting to see what they do though. All right, Tyser
Tower is next.
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Speaker 7 (22:48):
Live all right, thank you, Steve, you have a great night.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It is the ide couple Chris and Rob live from
the tire rack dot Com studios, and it is time.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
For tyshirts Tower of Trivia.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Let's do it and now no ladies and gentlemen, vegans
and meat eaters, kail chip lovers, ruffle hip lovers. It's time.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
This game is so easy for tight shirts Tower of Trivia.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
That's right, it is Tyser's Tower of Trivia. The segram
poo's you gonna like sports to work in sports media.
The star of this segment my Man by Alex Tyshert,
who's gotten a new podcast drop in, won't your promo Alex?
Speaker 12 (23:31):
So, guys, I know everybody here loves the hot takrean
when mom and dad fight aka Rob Parker and Chris Brussard.
But if there's something you need outside of the norm
of hot taker and sports takes, maybe some motivation, somebody
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Ohans podcast. TikTok's popping, and I know Christmas start and
Rob Parker never missed an episode.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Never I'm actually I do. I do.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
You know I've checked it out before.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Out that's Ryan Chris. I thought you were a man
of God. What are you doing?
Speaker 7 (24:04):
What his podcast?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Pretty good? Rob, I'll tell you that podcast. Okay, so
you're not FIBB and you'd say.
Speaker 12 (24:10):
I can do forty hours, no present, no idea, nothing,
sit down one word and go wow.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
I have listened to it.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Okay, all right, good, that's said Alex my man. Thank you,
you're so dal you, thank you listen to it.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
But he respects everything that you're doing over there.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I respect Alex. My people reached out to Rob's people too.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
You know.
Speaker 12 (24:28):
One day we were like, we'd love to have you
on the show, and He's like, not the type of
culture we're looking for.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
You know what. I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
I told your producer I was washing my hair that
day and it's just unfair.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I'm just not gonna that's unfair.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
I mean that shouldn't it taken that got?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
What are you saying? I'm just saying how to take
you to wash your hair?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
No?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
You know what's funny is Alex actually pitched Shallow Oceans
of the podcast the sports Wrap Radio and he got
an email back and said he don't have the experience.
We're looking for my experience. We mean the black experience.
But he tried, he didn't work out.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
All right.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
It is Ty Tower of Trivia, the Boston Celtics themed
edition because they're on the verge of yet another NBA title.
Flipped a coin during the update and Rob Parker gets
question number one.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
He always seems to go first.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
He lost last week. That's right, Dang, you're like the
Luka Donchez last week. Didn't always complaining about I don't.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
Remember if you want or not, no matter what happens,
that means I want to.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
All right, Rob, let's go. You know the rules.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
No tomfoolery.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Before the season, Celtics vans were lukewarm at best on
head coach Joe Misula. They used to call him second blank.
Excuse me, I screw that up. That's really bad. We'll
do it anyway, Rob, second blank, Joe. Rob, don't look
at the answer. That's wrong because he literally sat behind
the bench when he coached under em dope.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
So can you tell me what it is in my ear? Okay?
Speaker 8 (26:05):
Wait what because no, no, no, The question is I
don't know if you looked at it it's wrong's wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
That's oh I did Yeah, okay, I looked at that
because he said one. I was Chris, sext you the answer.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
You should know the answer.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Here we go, Alex, are you ready.
Speaker 12 (26:22):
I'm a little shocked that you guys don't know the answer,
but hopefully I didn't.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I didn't look, but I just yeah, Alex, here we go.
I didn't know Rob was error prone like that.
Speaker 12 (26:33):
Boh, you're rowing rowing.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I saw it at you advantage.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
There was a fly in this and that was way
how long y'all go?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Let Rob.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
I mean you're in the studio.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
You have the same advantages, Chris.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
This is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
That was there was a fly I saw Rob.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I was doing this.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Rob.
Speaker 12 (26:57):
I thought you were continuing our conversation of how to churn.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
But yes, Rob, I thought you were a man, a guy.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
What we needed for Chris to say, first things first,
don't send a car service for me. Just gave me
a plane ticket to la and he goes on a
Thursday to do this segment level number two over to Chris.
The Celtics are currently led by the Jays. That would
be Jason Tatum and Jalen Blank.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
It's a bad clue. Right here, Alex, You're right, Rob,
thank you?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Here we go, Here we go, please Celtics currently led
by the Jays.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
That would be Jason Tatum and Jalen Blank.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Black Black.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Why that is incorrect? Okay, it was your influxyb. I
was terrible. It was a terrible clue. You had no chance.
It was the opposite it, you know, like three, you
had no check.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
So when the Mets get to walk off, was that
when you asked the question? J D Martinez walked off
the Marlins? Okay, here we go, Alex. Look at the
background call on TV two, Alex, here we go. Okay,
all right, you ready, I'm ready. Thank you for asking
Buster Brown.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I was gonna say that, but I didn't think
you get by Alex.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Alex, Butter Brown is an old shoe. I mean, are
growing up? Stride right Chris right and Buster Brown? Those
were the two.
Speaker 12 (28:37):
What also helps when Rob uses his hands to help
me fill in the next at.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
The back of his hand, athlete, I did what did
I do?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
This sin his skin? Alex sneak MLB bro.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
No right, If igro.
Speaker 8 (28:59):
If I touched my skate, he might have said, acne
you don't have acne stop.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
I think you might have said, ashy.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Okay, Rob Parker nineteen to zero back to you so
you can get a chance to really blow it open
here Blank Hourbach famously coached the Celtics to nine NBA
titles in the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Rob, all right, here we go, Alex. Are you ready?
Thank you? Rob? Chris never asks. I know, he doesn't care.
Speaker 12 (29:33):
I know, Okay, one playlist and that's it, Rob. One playlist.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Lobster, lobster, lobster.
Speaker 12 (29:48):
Do I have a bib on, Rob? That's what I'm
wondering right now. Okay, not Rep Lopster.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
This is getting ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, look at you, Rob. I didn't say anything, Chris
when he said out, I didn't controler.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
I didn't say that commission he said, Do I have
a bid bowing? I don't know they're doing, Charaine.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
This is the Luka Don of sports.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Complain win or lose.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
He's complaining, all right, level the man, Come on, bro back,
come on, yeah, come on, come on, here we go, Chris.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Let's get on the let's get on the board.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Here, come on.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Celtics guard Derek Blank is one of the best on
ball defenders in the league. In fact, he was named
second team All Defense this year.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
All right, here we go, Alex.
Speaker 13 (30:41):
Barry Barry, No, he's going to get this very Barry,
very let me here.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
I'm saying it again.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
What a good one A I had to read the.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
It was the same one that was a cheap job.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Word.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
No, I don't understand, like Chris hughes black the other
one in the and the other.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
Clue for what I thought about that?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Right and then white would have been natural.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I thought about saying it, but I think I thought,
would you have gotten that?
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Alex last year said the same clue as last time?
All right back to Rob, I mean, Rob, you get
this when it's over us?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Terrible, he was. I can't believe that.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
You gotta get it.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
He ain't gonna get this one.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
He's leaving the door open.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Rob, you're over here using your heads here, said Chris. Right,
he's leading. No, there's a flying studio.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Read try Rob.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Kyrie Irving has now lost thirteen straight games against Boston
after he stomped on Blank the Leprechaun on mid court.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
All right, Alex, you ready, I'm ready, Rob? Okay, here
we go. Okay, charms lucky, no radio.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Let that bad.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
We gotta go. We gotta pay, Bi look Comelong, we
gotta pay. We don't be quiet. Turn it up. Terrible,
Oh yeah, terrible, terrible. My Jesus hot for sure.
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Speaker 3 (33:13):
All right, Rob, are.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
We gonna play the Brian win Horse rant on Luca. Okay, Rob,
you want to say a lot of people know about it.
Brian went, horse went man, he went, he scorched, he
went scorched earth on.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
The I've never seen Brian one horse that worked.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Up, he walked, he was much more gentle today this
morning on shows. But yeah, he went off on you,
But go ahead, you gott a thought on.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
It, Rob Chris, this was I'm gonna be honest and
you know me, I'm gonna keep it real with you.
I'm not so sure that he would have gone off
had that been Jason Tatum or another I think foreign
players get beat up because because a way more like
(34:03):
they're not coming back at these guys. They're not they're
not looking to them for information or whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Like I don't want to say they don't need them
or don't use them, or they're not in the flow
of what you know. The other guys are in the
NBNA Am I right there to the side because.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Of the barrier? Am I? Am I wrong for thinking that?
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Like if that wasson, if that was Jason Tatum and
the same exact thing, I don't know if he would
have gone on him like he did in that situation,
because it wouldn't be just the wrath of Jason Tatum.
Other players would be like did you see how he
did Jason?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (34:44):
Like like they would hold him to a different standard
and say, man, well, you know like, was that necessary?
And Luca they they, I just think it's easier to
attack players who who aren't in the mix, or an
American player who could come back at you and other
players who could stand up for him.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
That That's the first thing I thought was that it
was harsh.
Speaker 8 (35:09):
It was hard, it was loud, Chris, it was wow,
I thought to myself. But I just couldn't see him
doing that to anybody else. That was so out of
character for him. And I think that Luca being a
foreign player had something to do with why he went
over the top.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
That's that's just how I I gotta be.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I can't respond. I have no idea if Luca being
foreign had anything to do with it.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
I mean that I've never seen win Horse go at
any player.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Like that, So I I would not like yesterday this
time yesterday, Rob, I.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
Wouldn't have thought he would have win it a foreign
player like that.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
So I can't say. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
If it had anything to do with Luca being, you know,
an international player or not. I just can't say whether
or not he would have went in an American like that.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I mean, that's your feeling, is legitimate, but I I
don't know, I've know, Like I said, I've never seen him,
and you rarely see I mean, you know, you got
guys that are do you know debate Stephen A, myself,
Nick right Us, you know on our show. But win
Words is a reporter. He's not an opinionist, you know
(36:27):
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
That's what threw me.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Was, Yeah, it was it was I would not have
thought he would have said something like that about any
player with that type of you know, intensity, so and not.
Speaker 7 (36:40):
You know, you might be right.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I just I just couldn't.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
See him doing that to any I really couldn't Chris,
an American player like Jalen Brown or or no Kyrie people.
If he would have done that to Kyrie, the reaction
from people, Chris, they would have they would have won
off on him.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I mean, it's that's a good it's a you bring
up a really interesting point.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I don't know if you know if he would have
bit his tongue on an American.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Place, But I agree with you, Chris.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
The one thing, he's a reporter, that was really out
of character and I.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Was stunned by it. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was
good TV. It's all over the place. I get it.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Yeah, all right, it's the OKA but we signed off.
But keep it locked.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You got Jason Smith and Mike Harmon next and those
two Alex you know what they bring fire CB
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