June 20, 2024 • 31 mins
Former NFL offensive lineman and FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Ephraim Salaam is in for Rob, and he and Chris discuss the concerns they have about JJ Redick’s fit as the next head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers and discuss why the number of Black players in professional baseball continues to dwindle. Plus, Locked on Lakers host Andy Kamenetzky swings by to discuss what has to happen for JJ Redick to succeed as the Los Angeles Lakers’ head coach, the pressure to win – and win early – for Redick, what roster moves the team can make alongside LeBron James and Anthony Davis to get the team back in contention and much more!
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So yeah, you never told me, which is probably a
sign of what you think of this.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It is higher, JJ Reddick, I got you off that right,
right right.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Let me say this, And we were talking about his
lack of experience and he literally does have I think,
less experience than you because you have coached your kids.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Right, been coaching for seven years.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, he's far less than you. He was playing basketball
obviously just three years ago in the NBA, but he's
coached his kids. But I will say this, Larry Bird,
Isaiah Thomas, Mark Jackson, and of course Steve Kurr the
greatest example. They all did wor head coaches without any
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assistant coaching.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Experience or obviously head coaching experience.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And they did well to varying degrees, but all of
them did pretty well. Derek Fisher and Steve Nash also
coached with no experience, and they did poorly.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
And let me, how could I forget? He just got
his team to the finals.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Jason Kidd's another one that had no coaching experience and
obviously has done a great job.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I will say this about these guys though.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Ephraim Bird a legend, Isaiah Thomas, Jason Kidd legend. Mark
Jackson was a very very good player, respected All Star
caliber player at point guard.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
And Steve Kerr, you know, was not a great player.
One champ won a lot of championships with Michael Jordan
and Tim Duncan and the like. I think he won
five rings if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
But they you know, so they got that respect just
because of their pedigree. Now Nash had respect too, but
still didn't do a good job. But I look, I
don't know, nobody knows. Rob Polinka and Jennie Buss don't know.
Lebron James doesn't know whether or not JJ Reddick's going
to be a good coach.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
He might be terrible, he might be outstanding. We don't know.
I do think he starts out on a good.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Note is that he has clearly the respect of Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And if you've.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Got the respect, now, hopefully that'll translate to Lebron actually
really letting him coaching.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Lebron clearly respects his knowledge.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
They do a podcast together and it is a cerebral podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
So Lebron respects his basketball knowledge.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And if everyone sees Lebron buying into what Reddick is saying,
then I do think that's a good start because Anthony
Davis and the rest of the team should buy in
to Reddick. If Lebron is so he starts out I
think on first base because of that. Obviously, a key
is getting him a good coaching staff. And there's talking
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about Sam Cassell and David Adelman and Jared Dudley who played,
you know, with the Lakers and has some on Dallas
his staff just this past season. So if he gets
a good staff together, you know, we'll see. I mean,
I think one of the challenges Ephraim is that the
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Lakers are expected to like compete for the championship, and
I don't think they're good enough to you know, win
the West or win the championship, And so what's it's
very possible that they actually take a step backward. Maybe
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it's because Lebron gets older or Ad gets hurt more.
Remember Lebron and Ad were unusually healthy last year. So
what if they take a step backward next year or
the next two years and maybe they go out in
the first round or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Is JJ Reddy going to survive that?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Because championship or bust when you really don't have a
great chance of winning a championship is a tough situation
to be in.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And that's some of the guys you named on that
list who had no coaching experience and then stepped in
two teams, most notably Mark Jackson and Steve Kerr. It
was actually ah but the same team UH, and they
both had Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to
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step into.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
The young ones.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
And so that's a little bit different situation than stepping
into a team with an aging superstar and Lebron James,
an often hurt UH superstar and Anthony Davis. And look,
I'll give credit where creditors do Anthony Davis play more
games need to ever played in his NBA career this
past season, but it's and it still wasn't enough to
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keep him out of the play in And so with
that notion, I think having a coach that doesn't you
when you're coaching the Lakers and there's an expiration date
on talent that you have and your expectation is a championship,
then what you don't have is time. And I think
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that's why Dan Hurley was like, this feels like a
lose lose situation.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
It's not for JJ Reddick because he's never coached before. Right,
If he gets them to the playoffs, he's he's won.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But if it, like you mean, if he gets him
in the top eight, right, like in terms of what
you expect from a first year ever coach, right, a
team that was in the play in the two years prior, Right,
I do think that I think Hurley had the pedigree.
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Let's say they go out in the first or second
round the next two years, I think Hurley had the
pedigree to survive that.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And they're like, Okay, he's gonna be our guy, post Lebron.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Absolutely does Reddick have the pedigree, you know what I'm
saying to survive going out in the first or second
round the next two years.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Well, as impatient as Laker fans are, what we've found
out and noticed that the ownership of the Lakers are
more impatient than we are. I mean, they still may
be paying three coaches, right, they may cut checks to
three coaches who had a very short leash in terms
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of we need to get to that, especially now that
the Celtics have won their eighteenth championship and the Lakers
are stuck at seventeen.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Like that means so.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, and they could and then look, the Lakers have
been the better franchise. I would say, well, yes, because
the student every decade job been good.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, and where they haven't.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
But it's still as a Laker fans, as a franchise,
it's not good enough.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
But they might. They got a chance to run a
little distance between y'all.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, well they could win maybe another one or two.
I doubt too, will maybe another one before y'all win enough.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Where the catastrophe of injuries in the in the East
happen again.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
This like you did this, Nosco. It should be to
I will definitely be too. It should be tough for absolutely.
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If you want to weigh in on this next topic,
and Ephraim as I said, we both have on the
Major League Baseball game at rick Wood Field, the oldest
stadium baseball stadium in the United States, Saint Louis up
three to zero in the bottom of the second over
San Francisco. But even more important than the game is
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why they're there. They're celebrating the Negro Leagues. Before the game,
they had the surviving or the remaining Negro League players
who are still alive were on the field. Of course,
Willie Mays, who just died a few days ago.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
He started his.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Career at four the that team and played in that stadium,
the Birmingham Black Bearns, And so it is a special
moment and it's wonderful to see.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And Ephraim I would imagine that most young maybe even
twenty something and younger.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I could go probably higher than that, but I'll say
twenty somethings and younger, particularly teenagers and kids younger than that.
They're probably looking at this baseball and how it's celebrating
all these former African American players and the Negro leagues
and all of that, and saying baseball, like baseball today
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is viewed as a white sport or obviously you have
a lot of players from the Caribbean, but it is
definitely not view dude as an African American sport anymore.
And ifhraim, I'm gonna throw some numbers at you this year,
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let me just I don't know. You may know, did
you look at the notes? Yes, okay, so you know
the numbers. But this year, at the start of the
season opening day twenty twenty four, African American players represented
just six percent of Major League Baseball rosters six percent.
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We're fourteen percent of the population in America, yet only
six percent.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
You look at football, which is about.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Seventy percent, basketball, which is about seventy three seventy four
percent African American. Even soccer now, which is a bit
surprising to me, has more African American participants than baseball.
And so I'm sure a lot of are like, wow,
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like blacks were into baseball like that, And.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
You know, and I'm older than you. When I grew up,
I lived in a lot of places, but I'm thinking Cincinnati,
Indianapolis as a kid up until I was about twelve
years old those towns in the Midwest, and I played
in baseball leagues that were, if not at least half black.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And maybe I would say majority black. And our coaches
were black fathers and you know, the commissioners of the
league and all of that. And so when I grew up,
we loved baseball just like we loved basketball and football.
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And now it is completely different and we got a lot,
you know, to unpack in regards to this.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
But what are your thoughts on why? And you know,
I know, I have to.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Believe your son plays baseball, right, so you coach, so
you're you're a great person to ask about this, But
why do you think that, you know, there really aren't
very many African Americans playing baseball anymore.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, just you know, at the little league. We're here,
you know, at Sherman Oaks Little League, which is very
open and welcoming to all. We just run into a
situation where there may be a handful of black coaches
who have kids on teams. My son was the only
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African American on his team on our team this year,
and he's been on teams where it's just been you know,
one or two, three, at the most, even at this age.
And now you know where you live, your demographic things
like that all comes into play. Like I said, we're
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in Sherman Oaks. But the thing about kids and like so,
the two sports that American youth play first, because you
can play at the youngest are soccer and baseball. Those
are the sports you can play. You start playing the youngest.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
My first sport was baseball, right that I play.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You can five years old. You can go to the
PBS right right, and soccer four years old. You can
go out there. All it is a bunch of kids
running around in the other moving the ball. It's the
first time parents get a chance to have kids really
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socialized outside of preschool or you know, daycare or something
like that, and it teaches them how to be a
part of a team. And these are valuable lessons parents
want kids to have as they get older. So as
you move forward, the interest in soccer goes away almost
immediately because when they're old enough to play other sports,
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parents immediately put them into other things. So a lot
of kids, you know, play soccer. Then when they get
to that age where they play baseball, they may do
one year of soccer and baseball. Then baseball takes over
when you start getting up to six seven, Now you
can start playing basketball. Right now, you can get into basketball.
It's a little bit more nuanced, a little bit more
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a coordination that you need to be able to play
basketball because it's constant moving, it's dribbling and shooting. It's
a lot for someone under the age of six to
really get a handled on.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Then you know you have pop Warner football right America
sport most dads, most parents want their kids to play football,
so as soon as they're old enough to go out there,
it's starting with flag football. Now it didn't used to
be flag football, used to just be Pop Warner. Now
it's flag football. So a lot of kids are playing
flag football. The real change happens when you get eleven, twelve,
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after twelve, not just for black it's not just for
black players, but for players in general. If you continue
to play baseball after twelve years old, because you're no
longer a lot, you're you're you aged out a little
league right at after it's over. Right, So now it's
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a Now it's a whole nother thing. It's a commitment,
like you gotta go somewhere else, and you need to
be pretty good. And you gotta be because you got
thirteen fourteen year olds who are unreal. They've bought in,
they're all in, they're going for it. So we see
it a lot. A lot of kids age out of
baseball because it's, first of all, it's a game of losing, right, Like,
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you have to be okay with losing, Meaning if you
if you bat three hundred for your career in the majors,
you're going to the Hall of Fame at thirty percent.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Thirty percent times you had to play, you get a hit,
you failing. Unless you get you're failing pretty much seventy percent.
It's a game of failing.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
And a lot of kids can't deal with that emotionally.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I will say this.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
From having you know, I played all three your football, basketball,
baseball growing up.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Through high school. Not good at any but go ahead, Hey,
I was.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Doing my thing, but baseball, like you said, you go
in slumps. Yes, I don't care who you are, how
great you are, you're gonna have slumps. And when you're
slumping in baseball it was of the three sports it
was the worst times, right because I mean, you don't
really slump. In football, you either good or you're not good.
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Basketball can be some I mean you can. You can
die right right. Baseball, when you are not hitting and
you're slumping over, you.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Feel terrible and it's hard to deal with that as
a young player. My son went through one of those
slumps this year and he looked at me and said
that I think this is the last year I'm playing baseball. Wow,
And he was it. So this was my last year
probably coaching, he is. He was serious, He's like, I
want to focus on basketball. He's ten years old. He
just turned You turn ten next Monday, right, Well, so,
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but I'll say this when you get older, when you
get to the high school level, what's the number one
currency for a high school kid? Popularity number one currency.
The problem with baseball up compared to basketball and football
is nobody watches a high school baseball game. When I
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was in high school, the games were actually being played
while we were still in school. We were in class. Why,
I like, I'm talking about six period. The baseball game
is going on, right and the only people are out there,
parents and coaches, Like. There was no fanfare, there was
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no rally, no pep rallies, for the baseball team. And
in basketball you get the pep rallies, you got the
gym is packed, and you know football Friday night lights everybody.
It's some towns in some cities that shut down to
go watch high school basketball. So when you take dynamic
athletes African Americans who grow up and they have all
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this talent and all that, that currency of popularity outweighs
anything you can do on the baseball field. And so
you turn that athleticism into being one of the best
basketball players one of the football because it's instant gratification,
it's instant acknowledgement. Baseball, you gotta wait till you get
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drafted and get into the big.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Right You not even college baseball. Nobody watches college baseball.
It is not on anywhere.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, that's a great point because little league baseball, when
I played Little league and all the sports, little league
baseball was as big. You know that you have a similar.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Crowds to football.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
And Pop Warner and cyo basketball, whatever it was. You're right,
high school baseball is not even No, it's not. It's
no more people at that game than there are the
soccer game.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
It's football and basketball and then, like you said, even
if you play in college, you are not a national star.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, nobody knows you until you not only get to
the it takes a while to get to the majors too,
and that it can take you forever if you get there.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Right, So look, take this, if Lebron James was a
phenomenal baseball player, I'm talking about one of the best
in the country. Does Lebron James get the same type
of fanfare he got? Would he be on the cover
of Sports Illustrated right as a kid in high school?
Would he be driving around in the Humber all of
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these things? Niked, you have a Nike one hundred million
dollar deal. This is what I'm telling you, a million
and and and and baseball has a problem because they
don't know how to market baseball.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well, look, and we're gonna keep talking. We'll throw it
out to the listeners. But I want to keep talking
about this because this is a good and important sport
and it's an appropriate time to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Because I think there are other reasons.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
But you know, from obviously we do this show, uh
sports talk radio, we do I do first things first,
which is you know, National sports talk.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Television still invite for that, but we got I'm working
on it. I'm working on I can fly to New
York for a week out there, say you don't want you.
But whether it's our show or you know, you can
talk about Undisputed, you can talk about Speak, you can
talk about the Herd, you can talk about first Thing,
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First Take on ESPN and get up.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
The national shows hardly ever talked baseball. I remember I
was on First Take Back at ESPN with Skip Bayless
and this must have been I don't know, two thousand
and twelve ish eleven, twelve ten, somewhere around there.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And it was October. So the World Series was, you.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Know, going on in the baseball playoffs. I don't know
if it's actually the World Series or just the playoffs,
but I was like, why are we talking baseball? In
my mind? And we were talking football week four or
five whatever it was, right, Basketball is about to start
and we're talking that and hardly any baseball, if any
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at all, And I was like, what is going on?
And it was because these study groups showed that when
people talked baseball, the eighties drop yep. And you notice
these shows, majority of these shows now ESPN has a
little more leeway because they're kind of the default channel,
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right and people just naturally put it on ESPN, So
they'll talk a little baseball on these shows, but they're
even like FS one, overwhelmingly NFL and NBA, and that's
a problem for baseball. That is a real problem because
outside of you know, the baseball specific shows or sports Center,
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they're not having any The shows aren't talking about them.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And that goes for national radio too.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
We probably talk more baseball than any most national shows,
if not all. Now, locally they'll talk some baseball, but
nationally it's kind of become a regional sport.
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Speaker 1 (24:00):
Our next guest, we were late and getting to him,
but he's a locked on a Lakers podcast.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Co host Andy Kaminski, Andy, welcome, How you doing is
Andy there?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh okay, hey man, yeah, we got we got you now. Welcome,
all right.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
The news of the day, obviously, JJ Reddick's hired by
the Lakers, how do you like this hire?
Speaker 6 (24:22):
First of all, at this point, it doesn't even feel
like new news. It feels like old news recycled fifteen
different times. It's been the most right, crazy, strange path
getting to where everybody thought we were getting to in
like mid May. You know, the Lakers just don't make
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hiring a coach ever look easy.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
And here we are righty well.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I mean, I guess being rejected openly by you know,
Dan Hurley h kind of stepped on, you know, because
it was JJ Reddick first, right, it was he was
a favorite. He was the favorite. Dan Hurley jumps out
of the sky and then turns it down. So it's
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kind of like you have ago in your face, Like
it's like what do you do now? Like were there
any other options outside of early on hearing about JJ
Reddick and then all of a sudden Dan Hurley.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
In all honesty, I think it was a pretty shallow
field as far as really either exciting or viable candidates.
You know, JJ Redick was considered the early clubhouse leader,
but here about James Barrego. Charles Lee could have, I
supposed been a candidate, but he got scooped up pretty
quickly by Charlotte. You know you heard about Mike and
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Norri with Minnesota, David Adelman with Denver, but there were
not a lot of very established or sexy names in
terms of experience, Like JJ. Reddick has a lot of
star power or in a lot of visibility. I think
a lot of charisma, but he's never coached anybody older
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than twelve. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Funny? No, But when you say it sounds hilarious, I mean, well, Chris,
it's a bizarre thing to say, but it's true.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
It sounds like a disaster man.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
That's and as a Laker fan, Oh my gosh, I
can't mean taking it.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I can't. I need something more than mediocrity. Andy.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
We've seen coaches that have no experience be successful.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
But what is success for Reddick in the next two years?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And realistically, because I feel like the Lakers and the
fan base is thinking championship or bust, but I don't
see that happening. So what is successful Reddick?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I think this is actually, Chris the most important question
for the Lakers with his higher whether it have been
JJ Reddick, whether it have been Dan Hurley, whether it
had been James Brego, whether it be and you know,
behind or four. The Lakers need to treat whoever they
bring in as the coach now Reddick with a degree
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of job security, with a degree of patients, with the
idea that they are legitimately trying to build a culture,
and that they are willing to trade you against reasonable
expectations like the idea of championship or bust. It's a
great branding ethos and it's something that gets fans excited.
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And I take the idea of I am a Laker
fan beyond the fact that I cover this team, like
I mean, I was a Laker fan well before I
started doing this for a living, Like I understand that pride.
But at the same time, the way the real world works,
you're you not only don't win a championship every year,
you're not realistically equipped to win one every single year.
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And it should always be the goal. But if it's
the standard, then you're never going to be enabled JJ
Reddick or whoever to essentially be graded in a way
where it's fair, whether it feels like you're growing towards something,
whether it feels like you're actually moving in the right direction,
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like the goal should always be, are we getting ourselves
closer to a championship or if we're not, are we
building a foundation that can eventually turn into a championship
If it's simply championship or bust. More likely than not,
JJ Reddick is getting set up to fail in a
way that really aren't about him.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
True, that's a great point. That is a fantastic point.
So I ask you this, currently, with the roster they have,
what moves can they make this offseason to give JJ
Reddick a better chance of getting better?
Speaker 6 (28:55):
It's not going to be easy. I mean, they don't
have a ton in the way of assets. They do
have a few first round picks that they can bundle
together if they want, whether at the draft, like a
draft day deal or you know, future picks down the line.
You know, they've got a couple reasonably tradable contracts in
really Hots and Moa or you know, if D'Angelo Russell
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opted in d LO. But the truth is they're not.
These are guys that are some of their best players.
Like in theory, you want to be adding pieces to
you know, lebron Ada, Dilo Reeves Ruey, you know, you
want to make sure that you're not making moves that
are incrementally incremental improvements, but look splashing like you only
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have so many shots to get yourself better. And we've
seen how like one trade, the Russell Westbrook trade set
the organization back in ways that they're still dealing with now.
You have to make sure that you're doing this in
a way that is grounded.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
It makes sense. Let me before you go in.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
We got about a minute for your answer, your answer
about what is success? I mean, I thought it was
very strong and great judging by that, do you think
they did the right thing?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
And I know it's looking back, but with Darvin.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Ham, yes, ultimately, because I think Darvin lost the locker
room yep. And there were there were a lot of
players that I think it went beyond not agreeing with
Darvin's decisions and rotations and lineups. It was that they
didn't understand why it was happening. And I feel like,
once you lose the locker room in that way, there's
(30:36):
no going backwards. And look, I thought Darvin at the
time was a terrific higher. I mean, he's he's put
in his time as an assistant. I think he's going
to get another opportunity. I hope he does but ultimately
I thought it was untenable with Darvin, and I understand.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
The decision, all right, Andy Kaminiski, check him out on
the Locked on Lakers podcast.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Great stuff, man, have a good night.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
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So yeah, you never told me, which is probably a
sign of what you think of this.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It is higher, JJ Reddick, I got you off that right,
right right.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Let me say this, And we were talking about his
lack of experience and he literally does have I think,
less experience than you because you have coached your kids.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Right, been coaching for seven years.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, he's far less than you. He was playing basketball
obviously just three years ago in the NBA, but he's
coached his kids. But I will say this, Larry Bird,
Isaiah Thomas, Mark Jackson, and of course Steve Kurr the
greatest example. They all did wor head coaches without any
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assistant coaching.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Experience or obviously head coaching experience.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And they did well to varying degrees, but all of
them did pretty well. Derek Fisher and Steve Nash also
coached with no experience, and they did poorly.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
And let me, how could I forget? He just got
his team to the finals.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Jason Kidd's another one that had no coaching experience and
obviously has done a great job.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I will say this about these guys though.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Ephraim Bird a legend, Isaiah Thomas, Jason Kidd legend. Mark
Jackson was a very very good player, respected All Star
caliber player at point guard.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
And Steve Kerr, you know, was not a great player.
One champ won a lot of championships with Michael Jordan
and Tim Duncan and the like. I think he won
five rings if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
But they you know, so they got that respect just
because of their pedigree. Now Nash had respect too, but
still didn't do a good job. But I look, I
don't know, nobody knows. Rob Polinka and Jennie Buss don't know.
Lebron James doesn't know whether or not JJ Reddick's going
to be a good coach.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
He might be terrible, he might be outstanding. We don't know.
I do think he starts out on a good.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Note is that he has clearly the respect of Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And if you've.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Got the respect, now, hopefully that'll translate to Lebron actually
really letting him coaching.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Lebron clearly respects his knowledge.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
They do a podcast together and it is a cerebral podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
So Lebron respects his basketball knowledge.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And if everyone sees Lebron buying into what Reddick is saying,
then I do think that's a good start because Anthony
Davis and the rest of the team should buy in
to Reddick. If Lebron is so he starts out I
think on first base because of that. Obviously, a key
is getting him a good coaching staff. And there's talking
(03:39):
about Sam Cassell and David Adelman and Jared Dudley who played,
you know, with the Lakers and has some on Dallas
his staff just this past season. So if he gets
a good staff together, you know, we'll see. I mean,
I think one of the challenges Ephraim is that the
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Lakers are expected to like compete for the championship, and
I don't think they're good enough to you know, win
the West or win the championship, And so what's it's
very possible that they actually take a step backward. Maybe
(04:20):
it's because Lebron gets older or Ad gets hurt more.
Remember Lebron and Ad were unusually healthy last year. So
what if they take a step backward next year or
the next two years and maybe they go out in
the first round or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Is JJ Reddy going to survive that?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Because championship or bust when you really don't have a
great chance of winning a championship is a tough situation
to be in.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And that's some of the guys you named on that
list who had no coaching experience and then stepped in
two teams, most notably Mark Jackson and Steve Kerr. It
was actually ah but the same team UH, and they
both had Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to
(05:13):
step into.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
The young ones.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
And so that's a little bit different situation than stepping
into a team with an aging superstar and Lebron James,
an often hurt UH superstar and Anthony Davis. And look,
I'll give credit where creditors do Anthony Davis play more
games need to ever played in his NBA career this
past season, but it's and it still wasn't enough to
(05:41):
keep him out of the play in And so with
that notion, I think having a coach that doesn't you
when you're coaching the Lakers and there's an expiration date
on talent that you have and your expectation is a championship,
then what you don't have is time. And I think
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that's why Dan Hurley was like, this feels like a
lose lose situation.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
It's not for JJ Reddick because he's never coached before. Right,
If he gets them to the playoffs, he's he's won.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But if it, like you mean, if he gets him
in the top eight, right, like in terms of what
you expect from a first year ever coach, right, a
team that was in the play in the two years prior, Right,
I do think that I think Hurley had the pedigree.
(06:44):
Let's say they go out in the first or second
round the next two years, I think Hurley had the
pedigree to survive that.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And they're like, Okay, he's gonna be our guy, post Lebron.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Absolutely does Reddick have the pedigree, you know what I'm
saying to survive going out in the first or second
round the next two years.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Well, as impatient as Laker fans are, what we've found
out and noticed that the ownership of the Lakers are
more impatient than we are. I mean, they still may
be paying three coaches, right, they may cut checks to
three coaches who had a very short leash in terms
(07:19):
of we need to get to that, especially now that
the Celtics have won their eighteenth championship and the Lakers
are stuck at seventeen.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Like that means so.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, and they could and then look, the Lakers have
been the better franchise. I would say, well, yes, because
the student every decade job been good.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, and where they haven't.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
But it's still as a Laker fans, as a franchise,
it's not good enough.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
But they might. They got a chance to run a
little distance between y'all.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, well they could win maybe another one or two.
I doubt too, will maybe another one before y'all win enough.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Where the catastrophe of injuries in the in the East
happen again.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
This like you did this, Nosco. It should be to
I will definitely be too. It should be tough for absolutely.
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If you want to weigh in on this next topic,
and Ephraim as I said, we both have on the
Major League Baseball game at rick Wood Field, the oldest
stadium baseball stadium in the United States, Saint Louis up
three to zero in the bottom of the second over
San Francisco. But even more important than the game is
(09:40):
why they're there. They're celebrating the Negro Leagues. Before the game,
they had the surviving or the remaining Negro League players
who are still alive were on the field. Of course,
Willie Mays, who just died a few days ago.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
He started his.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Career at four the that team and played in that stadium,
the Birmingham Black Bearns, And so it is a special
moment and it's wonderful to see.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And Ephraim I would imagine that most young maybe even
twenty something and younger.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I could go probably higher than that, but I'll say
twenty somethings and younger, particularly teenagers and kids younger than that.
They're probably looking at this baseball and how it's celebrating
all these former African American players and the Negro leagues
and all of that, and saying baseball, like baseball today
(10:51):
is viewed as a white sport or obviously you have
a lot of players from the Caribbean, but it is
definitely not view dude as an African American sport anymore.
And ifhraim, I'm gonna throw some numbers at you this year,
(11:11):
let me just I don't know. You may know, did
you look at the notes? Yes, okay, so you know
the numbers. But this year, at the start of the
season opening day twenty twenty four, African American players represented
just six percent of Major League Baseball rosters six percent.
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We're fourteen percent of the population in America, yet only
six percent.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
You look at football, which is about.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Seventy percent, basketball, which is about seventy three seventy four
percent African American. Even soccer now, which is a bit
surprising to me, has more African American participants than baseball.
And so I'm sure a lot of are like, wow,
(12:01):
like blacks were into baseball like that, And.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
You know, and I'm older than you. When I grew up,
I lived in a lot of places, but I'm thinking Cincinnati,
Indianapolis as a kid up until I was about twelve
years old those towns in the Midwest, and I played
in baseball leagues that were, if not at least half black.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And maybe I would say majority black. And our coaches
were black fathers and you know, the commissioners of the
league and all of that. And so when I grew up,
we loved baseball just like we loved basketball and football.
(12:45):
And now it is completely different and we got a lot,
you know, to unpack in regards to this.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
But what are your thoughts on why? And you know,
I know, I have to.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Believe your son plays baseball, right, so you coach, so
you're you're a great person to ask about this, But
why do you think that, you know, there really aren't
very many African Americans playing baseball anymore.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, just you know, at the little league. We're here,
you know, at Sherman Oaks Little League, which is very
open and welcoming to all. We just run into a
situation where there may be a handful of black coaches
who have kids on teams. My son was the only
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African American on his team on our team this year,
and he's been on teams where it's just been you know,
one or two, three, at the most, even at this age.
And now you know where you live, your demographic things
like that all comes into play. Like I said, we're
(13:54):
in Sherman Oaks. But the thing about kids and like so,
the two sports that American youth play first, because you
can play at the youngest are soccer and baseball. Those
are the sports you can play. You start playing the youngest.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
My first sport was baseball, right that I play.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You can five years old. You can go to the
PBS right right, and soccer four years old. You can
go out there. All it is a bunch of kids
running around in the other moving the ball. It's the
first time parents get a chance to have kids really
(14:38):
socialized outside of preschool or you know, daycare or something
like that, and it teaches them how to be a
part of a team. And these are valuable lessons parents
want kids to have as they get older. So as
you move forward, the interest in soccer goes away almost
immediately because when they're old enough to play other sports,
(14:58):
parents immediately put them into other things. So a lot
of kids, you know, play soccer. Then when they get
to that age where they play baseball, they may do
one year of soccer and baseball. Then baseball takes over
when you start getting up to six seven, Now you
can start playing basketball. Right now, you can get into basketball.
It's a little bit more nuanced, a little bit more
(15:20):
a coordination that you need to be able to play
basketball because it's constant moving, it's dribbling and shooting. It's
a lot for someone under the age of six to
really get a handled on.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Then you know you have pop Warner football right America
sport most dads, most parents want their kids to play football,
so as soon as they're old enough to go out there,
it's starting with flag football. Now it didn't used to
be flag football, used to just be Pop Warner. Now
it's flag football. So a lot of kids are playing
flag football. The real change happens when you get eleven, twelve,
(16:04):
after twelve, not just for black it's not just for
black players, but for players in general. If you continue
to play baseball after twelve years old, because you're no
longer a lot, you're you're you aged out a little
league right at after it's over. Right, So now it's
(16:25):
a Now it's a whole nother thing. It's a commitment,
like you gotta go somewhere else, and you need to
be pretty good. And you gotta be because you got
thirteen fourteen year olds who are unreal. They've bought in,
they're all in, they're going for it. So we see
it a lot. A lot of kids age out of
baseball because it's, first of all, it's a game of losing, right, Like,
(16:51):
you have to be okay with losing, Meaning if you
if you bat three hundred for your career in the majors,
you're going to the Hall of Fame at thirty percent.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Thirty percent times you had to play, you get a hit,
you failing. Unless you get you're failing pretty much seventy percent.
It's a game of failing.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
And a lot of kids can't deal with that emotionally.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I will say this.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
From having you know, I played all three your football, basketball,
baseball growing up.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Through high school. Not good at any but go ahead, Hey,
I was.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Doing my thing, but baseball, like you said, you go
in slumps. Yes, I don't care who you are, how
great you are, you're gonna have slumps. And when you're
slumping in baseball it was of the three sports it
was the worst times, right because I mean, you don't
really slump. In football, you either good or you're not good.
(17:47):
Basketball can be some I mean you can. You can
die right right. Baseball, when you are not hitting and
you're slumping over, you.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Feel terrible and it's hard to deal with that as
a young player. My son went through one of those
slumps this year and he looked at me and said
that I think this is the last year I'm playing baseball. Wow,
And he was it. So this was my last year
probably coaching, he is. He was serious, He's like, I
want to focus on basketball. He's ten years old. He
just turned You turn ten next Monday, right, Well, so,
(18:20):
but I'll say this when you get older, when you
get to the high school level, what's the number one
currency for a high school kid? Popularity number one currency.
The problem with baseball up compared to basketball and football
is nobody watches a high school baseball game. When I
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was in high school, the games were actually being played
while we were still in school. We were in class. Why,
I like, I'm talking about six period. The baseball game
is going on, right and the only people are out there,
parents and coaches, Like. There was no fanfare, there was
(19:03):
no rally, no pep rallies, for the baseball team. And
in basketball you get the pep rallies, you got the
gym is packed, and you know football Friday night lights everybody.
It's some towns in some cities that shut down to
go watch high school basketball. So when you take dynamic
athletes African Americans who grow up and they have all
(19:25):
this talent and all that, that currency of popularity outweighs
anything you can do on the baseball field. And so
you turn that athleticism into being one of the best
basketball players one of the football because it's instant gratification,
it's instant acknowledgement. Baseball, you gotta wait till you get
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drafted and get into the big.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Right You not even college baseball. Nobody watches college baseball.
It is not on anywhere.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, that's a great point because little league baseball, when
I played Little league and all the sports, little league
baseball was as big. You know that you have a similar.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Crowds to football.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
And Pop Warner and cyo basketball, whatever it was. You're right,
high school baseball is not even No, it's not. It's
no more people at that game than there are the
soccer game.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
It's football and basketball and then, like you said, even
if you play in college, you are not a national star.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, nobody knows you until you not only get to
the it takes a while to get to the majors too,
and that it can take you forever if you get there.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Right, So look, take this, if Lebron James was a
phenomenal baseball player, I'm talking about one of the best
in the country. Does Lebron James get the same type
of fanfare he got? Would he be on the cover
of Sports Illustrated right as a kid in high school?
Would he be driving around in the Humber all of
(21:00):
these things? Niked, you have a Nike one hundred million
dollar deal. This is what I'm telling you, a million
and and and and baseball has a problem because they
don't know how to market baseball.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well, look, and we're gonna keep talking. We'll throw it
out to the listeners. But I want to keep talking
about this because this is a good and important sport
and it's an appropriate time to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Because I think there are other reasons.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
But you know, from obviously we do this show, uh
sports talk radio, we do I do first things first,
which is you know, National sports talk.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Television still invite for that, but we got I'm working
on it. I'm working on I can fly to New
York for a week out there, say you don't want you.
But whether it's our show or you know, you can
talk about Undisputed, you can talk about Speak, you can
talk about the Herd, you can talk about first Thing,
(21:58):
First Take on ESPN and get up.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
The national shows hardly ever talked baseball. I remember I
was on First Take Back at ESPN with Skip Bayless
and this must have been I don't know, two thousand
and twelve ish eleven, twelve ten, somewhere around there.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And it was October. So the World Series was, you.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Know, going on in the baseball playoffs. I don't know
if it's actually the World Series or just the playoffs,
but I was like, why are we talking baseball? In
my mind? And we were talking football week four or
five whatever it was, right, Basketball is about to start
and we're talking that and hardly any baseball, if any
(22:47):
at all, And I was like, what is going on?
And it was because these study groups showed that when
people talked baseball, the eighties drop yep. And you notice
these shows, majority of these shows now ESPN has a
little more leeway because they're kind of the default channel,
(23:08):
right and people just naturally put it on ESPN, So
they'll talk a little baseball on these shows, but they're
even like FS one, overwhelmingly NFL and NBA, and that's
a problem for baseball. That is a real problem because
outside of you know, the baseball specific shows or sports Center,
(23:30):
they're not having any The shows aren't talking about them.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And that goes for national radio too.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
We probably talk more baseball than any most national shows,
if not all. Now, locally they'll talk some baseball, but
nationally it's kind of become a regional sport.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
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Speaker 1 (24:00):
Our next guest, we were late and getting to him,
but he's a locked on a Lakers podcast.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Co host Andy Kaminski, Andy, welcome, How you doing is
Andy there?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh okay, hey man, yeah, we got we got you now. Welcome,
all right.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
The news of the day, obviously, JJ Reddick's hired by
the Lakers, how do you like this hire?
Speaker 6 (24:22):
First of all, at this point, it doesn't even feel
like new news. It feels like old news recycled fifteen
different times. It's been the most right, crazy, strange path
getting to where everybody thought we were getting to in
like mid May. You know, the Lakers just don't make
(24:45):
hiring a coach ever look easy.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
And here we are righty well.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I mean, I guess being rejected openly by you know,
Dan Hurley h kind of stepped on, you know, because
it was JJ Reddick first, right, it was he was
a favorite. He was the favorite. Dan Hurley jumps out
of the sky and then turns it down. So it's
(25:11):
kind of like you have ago in your face, Like
it's like what do you do now? Like were there
any other options outside of early on hearing about JJ
Reddick and then all of a sudden Dan Hurley.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
In all honesty, I think it was a pretty shallow
field as far as really either exciting or viable candidates.
You know, JJ Redick was considered the early clubhouse leader,
but here about James Barrego. Charles Lee could have, I
supposed been a candidate, but he got scooped up pretty
quickly by Charlotte. You know you heard about Mike and
(25:44):
Norri with Minnesota, David Adelman with Denver, but there were
not a lot of very established or sexy names in
terms of experience, Like JJ. Reddick has a lot of
star power or in a lot of visibility. I think
a lot of charisma, but he's never coached anybody older
(26:06):
than twelve. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Funny? No, But when you say it sounds hilarious, I mean, well, Chris,
it's a bizarre thing to say, but it's true.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
It sounds like a disaster man.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
That's and as a Laker fan, Oh my gosh, I
can't mean taking it.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I can't. I need something more than mediocrity. Andy.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
We've seen coaches that have no experience be successful.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
But what is success for Reddick in the next two years?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And realistically, because I feel like the Lakers and the
fan base is thinking championship or bust, but I don't
see that happening. So what is successful Reddick?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I think this is actually, Chris the most important question
for the Lakers with his higher whether it have been
JJ Reddick, whether it have been Dan Hurley, whether it
had been James Brego, whether it be and you know,
behind or four. The Lakers need to treat whoever they
bring in as the coach now Reddick with a degree
(27:11):
of job security, with a degree of patients, with the
idea that they are legitimately trying to build a culture,
and that they are willing to trade you against reasonable
expectations like the idea of championship or bust. It's a
great branding ethos and it's something that gets fans excited.
(27:32):
And I take the idea of I am a Laker
fan beyond the fact that I cover this team, like
I mean, I was a Laker fan well before I
started doing this for a living, Like I understand that pride.
But at the same time, the way the real world works,
you're you not only don't win a championship every year,
you're not realistically equipped to win one every single year.
(27:54):
And it should always be the goal. But if it's
the standard, then you're never going to be enabled JJ
Reddick or whoever to essentially be graded in a way
where it's fair, whether it feels like you're growing towards something,
whether it feels like you're actually moving in the right direction,
(28:14):
like the goal should always be, are we getting ourselves
closer to a championship or if we're not, are we
building a foundation that can eventually turn into a championship
If it's simply championship or bust. More likely than not,
JJ Reddick is getting set up to fail in a
way that really aren't about him.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
True, that's a great point. That is a fantastic point.
So I ask you this, currently, with the roster they have,
what moves can they make this offseason to give JJ
Reddick a better chance of getting better?
Speaker 6 (28:55):
It's not going to be easy. I mean, they don't
have a ton in the way of assets. They do
have a few first round picks that they can bundle
together if they want, whether at the draft, like a
draft day deal or you know, future picks down the line.
You know, they've got a couple reasonably tradable contracts in
really Hots and Moa or you know, if D'Angelo Russell
(29:18):
opted in d LO. But the truth is they're not.
These are guys that are some of their best players.
Like in theory, you want to be adding pieces to
you know, lebron Ada, Dilo Reeves Ruey, you know, you
want to make sure that you're not making moves that
are incrementally incremental improvements, but look splashing like you only
(29:42):
have so many shots to get yourself better. And we've
seen how like one trade, the Russell Westbrook trade set
the organization back in ways that they're still dealing with now.
You have to make sure that you're doing this in
a way that is grounded.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
It makes sense. Let me before you go in.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
We got about a minute for your answer, your answer
about what is success? I mean, I thought it was
very strong and great judging by that, do you think
they did the right thing?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
And I know it's looking back, but with Darvin.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Ham, yes, ultimately, because I think Darvin lost the locker
room yep. And there were there were a lot of
players that I think it went beyond not agreeing with
Darvin's decisions and rotations and lineups. It was that they
didn't understand why it was happening. And I feel like,
once you lose the locker room in that way, there's
(30:36):
no going backwards. And look, I thought Darvin at the
time was a terrific higher. I mean, he's he's put
in his time as an assistant. I think he's going
to get another opportunity. I hope he does but ultimately
I thought it was untenable with Darvin, and I understand.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
The decision, all right, Andy Kaminiski, check him out on
the Locked on Lakers podcast.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Great stuff, man, have a good night.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Yeah you guys as well. Thank you.
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