June 24, 2024 • 33 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Rob, and he and Chris tell us how much blame Jerry Jones deserves for what’s gone wrong for the Dallas Cowboys over the last two decades, discuss whether JJ Redick’s potty mouth at his Los Angeles Lakers introductory press conference should be viewed as a turnoff and debate whether the upcoming NBA Draft is a microcosm for the ‘international takeover’ currently going on in the NBA.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Let's dive right into this and we will actually have
the author of this story joining us in the third
hour of the show, Tyler Dunn. But he wrote a
great article today on his substack about the cat Horizona.
Is it on Yahoo?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Not the I'm almost positive it was on a substack
Go Along TV. Okay, Yeah, so Yahoo probably just summarize,
but yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
His sub stack, and he talked about basically how Mike
McCarthy is kind of fed up with Jerry Jones. I'll
read you a little bit from one of the quotes
from the story.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
It's Golong's Tyler Dunn.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
This is from an ex Cowboys personnel man, so somebody
that worked in their front office, and he says this
about Mike McCarthy and how he's handling Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
He's doing it the best he can.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Some of the people I've talked to have said that
he's getting fed up with it a little bit. It's hard.
I feel bad for Dak. I think Dak's a really
good quarterback. Who is who is capable of taking a
team to the super Bowl. He's got to overcome a
lot of things. Here's one more thing from done the article.
Is not a direct quote from a person, but from
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the article, multiple people high up in the organization indicate
that current player are more concerned about Jerry Jones than
their own head coach. They know ownership can undermine the
head coach at any moment, so that means you can
get a talented team like they've had. This is a
(02:14):
quote from a personnel source, the same one as before.
But they're going to underachieve when the coaches can't influence
the players the way they need to. All right, Martin,
you are a frequent listener of the Odd Couple. You
also see me on First Things First, so you will
(02:39):
not be surprised when I say.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I told you so.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
This is what I have been saying about the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Jerry Jones since he ran Jimmy Johnson out of the building.
I know he won another championship twenty nine years ago
with Barry Switzer as his coach with Jimmy's players, But
since then and since Jerry Jones has really taken over
the football operations of the franchise, he has created a.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Culture that is not conducive to winning big.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
You can have a good team, you can have a
lot of talent, but that team and that talent will
underachieve and not win it all because Jerry Jones has
made the Dallas Cowboys a soap opera. They are a drama.
I've said it before, I've said it again. They are
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not primarily a football franchise. They are a drama, a
side show, a circus that is in a football setting.
It's like Bull Doo or Loving Basketball. Those were great
(04:03):
dramatic movies. It really wasn't about basketball or baseball for
the most part. Some yes, but the story was the drama,
the love stories, things like that, and it just happened
to take place in a basketball or baseball SETI that's
the Dallas Cowboys. That's the Dallas Cowboys, and that's look,
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they got it. They now their roster isn't as good
as it's been, but they've had a very good roster
and they've constantly underachieved because Jerry Jones has created a
bad culture. He's got Mike McCarthy, he's got his first
year defensive coordinator, Mike Zimmer, and he's got his quarterback
on lame duck contracts. Because he's created a circus atmosphere
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that makes money, that makes headlines that will be talked
about at nausea on television and radio. But when it
comes to the main thing, which is winning championships, he
falls woefully short. And Mike McCarthy now has to deal
with it, and that's a problem.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Chris, you said, I wasn't surprised. That's not true.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It was predictable, it was anticipated, It was understandable to
try to steal your vav no.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
But the fact of the matter is you didn't do
it right. But it is because the direction was misdirected.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
It was in the negative that was the problem.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
If you guys said I was surprised that I would
have been able to do anyway, not to belabor the point.
The fact of the matter is, I think Mike McCarthy
has done his job.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I mean, in the last three years they have thirty
six regular season wins.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
You know what that's good for the playoffs either won
the division or came into wildcard. Last three years, he's
been successful as far as the head coach of the
Dallas Cowboys is concerned. Like when you look at that
roster and you said the roster is not as good
as it was last year, and I agree with you,
But even last year they were lacking at the linebacker position,
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and I had, like a fool, chose to just ignore
it the entire time. And sure enough, once you get
to the biggest games like the playoffs, the first round,
second rounds, you know, those conference championship so on, whatever
your biggest achilles heel is will almost always come to light.
And sure enough, that lack of linebacker corps let Aaron
Jones run for like eight thousand trillion yards in that
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playoff game and they didn't stand the shot. I don't
know what Mike McCarthy's supposed to do, and that it
was supposed to go line up, we're fifty seven and
go make tackles.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
It's not happening, right.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I think when you look, and then people want to
blame Dak or so on and so forth. But I
think if you have the hand of the Mendoza line
of can I win with this quarterback? Dak Prescott is
above that Mendoza line. Like Dak Prescott is, he is
guy you always yes, even still, like if you just
Buynary zero one one, can I win?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
He's a one?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So when I look at this, I look at Okay,
this roster not only needs to improved, but also why
is it that we're talking about Dak Prescott being the
first sixty million dollar quarterback because he didn't get extended
a few years ago? Why is it that we're talking
(07:24):
about Cede Lamb after all these other wide receivers you named,
Justin Jefferson, sold and so forth have already set the
reset the market. Why not get a deal done with
Cede Lamb before that? So you're not even so CD's
not even coming in talking about thirty five million a year,
like Justin Jefferson has got to take down. That's on ownership.
(07:46):
That's on your general manager. That's not on the coach.
That's not the coaches job to do that, that's on you.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You seem like you don't think it's a culture problem
as much as just they haven't had good enough play.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I think that they both are true, right, they both
are true because a your culture, Jerry always sticks with
the guys he drafts a little too long, Layton van
der Esh, right, he'll stick with those guys. And why
does he do that because of the culture that is
already established, Like, well, these are my guys.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
We can coach him up. These are my guys.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
We can coach them up instead of going out there
on the free agent market or going out there and
making trades. Right, why like, why is it that we
still are seeing guys like Ezekiel Elliott walk back into
Dallas because they know him and don't give us how
America works.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
When you know somebody, it's a little bit easier to
get plugged.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
In sports, it'll it'll hurt you, exact stuff like that,
because sports, unlike corporate America, is about production in everybody's season. Well,
not that said, corporate America is not about production, but
you can hide every job in corporate America isn't about production. Well,
and how you can hide in corporate America, you can't
hide in professional football, baseball or basket.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Because difference is there's very rarely people's job it is
to try to take you down. Right, Like your success
ultimately means the professional sports, your success means that whoever
you beat is failing.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Right. It's very cut and dry, right, right, sports.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Says it's short, man, you win, did losses, right, So
after a while, after a while, if you are successful,
that means everybody else around you is failing. Right, So
there's gonna be some losses that you take on that.
But if you're not evaluating what is happening, evaluating what
is going on, and the one through line, like my
(09:36):
dad told me what I was dating, the one through
line between all your relationships is you.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Right, You're the only one that've dated all.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
These different girls that can point to what has gone
wrong in these different scenarios.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
It's you. It's always gonna be you.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
So with the Cowboys at this point, I think that
they were a roster that was Super Bowl potential last year.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
This year, I don't think so. No, not right now.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
You are in the spot now where you're gonna have
to pay these guys more than you would have to
because of the relationships. Because because Dak and you know,
it's kind of reported that Jerry and Dak don't have
like the quote unquote father son relationship that he likes
to have with some of his players, which I kind
of think is a funny way to do business, because
you don't fire your kids, right, You.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Always keep that they wait too long overta. Hey, guys,
they could have.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Paid They could have handled all of these contracts last
season and then be in a position where you have
a decent amount of salary cap because everybody's figured out
you have some salary cap to go out and get
some guys. You have some, but now because you don't,
you're gonna end up paying what is it, twenty five
percent of your cap to three different people.
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Speaker 1 (11:37):
And as I said, JJ Reddick finally announced as the
head coach of the Lakers. Longtime coming name was out
there all over the place, and he did say I'll
throw this out there Martin before we get to his
sound of him. But he did say that he and
Lebron James will end their podcast, which was only comments.
(12:03):
I can't believe anybody thought that they might keep it going.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Where were you on that?
Speaker 3 (12:09):
You got it in that there's no way to keep
a podcast if you're doing like me and your RTR
rooting for radio. I wanted him to do it, keep
doing it, just because it'd be great for us.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Exactly. It would have been le locker room.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
It would have been very much like Jerry Jones postgame
press conferences. I don't know why they do it, but
I'll take advantage of it if you're gonna go ahead
and keep it on.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
No, exactly right about that.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So I saw him say he was excommunicated from the
contest space, which is honestly though, Chris, It's good for
him because he was so very upset all the time
about how if he talked like if you trash Doc Rivers,
then he get a million views, but if he talked
about zone bringing the ball up the court for the Pelicans,
it would only get a couple hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Well, now he doesn't have to worry about that problem anymore.
That's right, That's right, all right. So here's what he said.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Uh, one of the things he said at today's press
conference with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Want to coach the Lakers. I want to coach the team.
I don't want to dispel anything. I don't I want
to become a great coach in the NBA, and I
want to win championships and I want my players to
maximize their careers. That's all I care.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
About, Martin weis your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I mean, I don't expect there was pretty much nothing
that JJ Reddick could have done today in his press
conference that would have impressed me. A He's a media
personality as of like two days ago. So it doesn't
surprise me that he can hold the microphone and sound good.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
In fact, it would have been more surprising if he didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
But when to me, when you're the head.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Coach of an organization save the Dallas Cowboys, you're supposed
to be the front the front facing guy.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
You are supposed to be the quote unquote adult in
the room.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Does it mean that the players are just absolved of
all maturity and responsibility? But it means the buck stops
with you, Like I don't understand what he thinks he's
doing when he.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Comes out saying I don't give a bleep about oh
cause he's cursing. Yeah, you know like that.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
No, No, you're the head coach of the team, and
it's not like, Okay. It's one thing if you just
lost a hotly contested game and you felt like you
got boned by a bad call by the referee or
something like that, and you're like, that's terrible, I'll pay
the fine. Right, But this is your introductory press conference.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Who are you trying to prove? Like, what are you
trying to prove.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Here that you're cool and hip or that you're just
so like, Oh, you know what, I don't even hear
about the engagement farming business. You were just in the
engagement farming business two weeks ago, and he seemed like
he cared. He exactly like, so to me, when you
come out there and show like, first of all, swearing
shows the lack of vocabulary in general.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Oh, I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
But when you come out there and you, to me,
that's trying to show I'm so tough, I'm so cool.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
You can't like like.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Nothing you reporters say can bother me or hold hang
me up. Of course, there's misconceptions that he should want
to dispel. Now if you just want to say, you
know what, I know, there's a ton of misconceptions. But
you know what, for me, my thing is I want
to go out and just be the best coach that
I can be. I've never done this before. I'm trying
to figure it out. And to this point, he had
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some answers that were like that, but they were kind
of more jokey joke. I don't understand what's so damn funny.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I don't know where he's where he gets off saying like, well,
you know, you know, I don't give a bleep da
knowing that you've heard all of these since at least
Game one of the finals, when he said earlier in
this press conference that that was when the Dan Hurley
rumors started coming out, like.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
It's it's just to me.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
It shows it is a It could it very well
could be a sign that, you know, outside of the
resume and everything else, that maybe you're not ready for this,
maybe you're not ready to put the hat on that
you think you are, because you should have a better
answer to that question, or at least a better delivery.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Well he'd answer that question. Okay, he spoke for two
minutes before he cursed.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
But look, Martin Whitz, I respect what you said.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I'd love to.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Go back to a day and age when public people
didn't curse, right where we didn't hear cursing in our
music and in every rap song, every other bar and
things like that.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
That would be great. But we ain't there anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
And you don't think he's gonna be cursing in practice
on the podcast?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
All right?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I mean, I hear you, but I don't think that matters.
In fact, it sounded like the audience loved it, like
they were yucking at, you know, soaking it all up,
taking it all in love that he said that. I
bet you some of his players did too. And I'm
not saying, like I said, I would rather him not,
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but I am not gonna say and you know me,
I don't curse, So I'm not trying to speak on
behalf of us, all of us cursing.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I'm just saying that I don't think that has.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Anything to do with what whether or not he's going
to be successful. I don't think it's a bad sign
because we know the coaches and the players curse all
the time, and now you're hearing it from guys not
only on the podcast, but you are hearing it from
coaches and players here and there in press conferences. We're
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at parades when they win the championship. I remember when
the Cavs won in twenty sixteen. I know people in
clin even that left the parade because they were there
with their children and Lebron.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Was cursing up a store.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So it unfortunately, it's just a natural part of our
environment today. Notice said Chris, Lebron is the face of
a franchise player, though It's different to me if Anthony
Edwards or Lebron or whoever is on the post at
the post game saying I told him to stop eff
and follon, that's different to me than if Chris Finch
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went up there and said I told Carl Anthony Towns
to stop eff and.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Fallon and he keeps it different though.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I mean, I and I get that they're to face
I guess of the franchise, but people curse.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I just don't love it. In the introductory press conference.
It to me, it's it's screams of tough guy behavior.
It screams of I'm teflon. There's nothing that you can
say that can affect.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Me, and it screen it like. That's what it feels
like to me. It's the front.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I do it the front that yeah, because I look,
I will say this. JJ did appear and correct me
if I'm wrong. He did appear to care, he says,
I don't give a f. He did appear to give
a f when it was happening, right when people would
criticize him or as he said, why people, you know,
(19:18):
they're more interested in me, saying, Doc, you know didn't
do this? Writer, Doc, didn't you know didn't do a
good job here than they R and me breaking down
the x'es and o's. He did seem to care, So
I do get your point about that. Seems like a
defense mechanism.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
And it's not like day JJ Reddit doesn't know to
talk without cursing. He did it all NBA Finals, He
did it all this whole entire career in ESPN.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
You didn't see J. J.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Reddick slip up and be like, man, that was a
bad f and play right there like no, like.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
You know what, I'm gonna start calling you father Martin Wise?
How about that goodness? I like it? You know I'm down.
You heard the intro. I'm down with that.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Fars To me, it just fop to me, it just
it's like, I don't know what you're doing here. I
don't like to me the extra bravado at the press
conference to me, really, we have Brady Hope to blame
for this, because once he said.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
We'll walk over Maryland to come coach.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Michigan and then proceeded to stink for most of the
entirety year that he was there way back.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Well, that's when I decided.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Then, That's when I was like, I'll never buy an
opening press conference.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
That's a wound there, that's a traumatic what in there?
I can see you bring it up, Brady freaking hope,
but Chris that I don't give a f moment right there.
Watch if they struggle off the top and they come
out in there.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Ten and fifteen through the first twenty five games, and
somebody asked him a question and he has a tefty response,
you know what you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
See all through social media.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You know what you'll be doing the next day on
TV talking about I thought you didn't give it that
what people had to say, No, we will exactly. So
I was like, why would you do that? Mister savvy
media personality just turned head coach. You should know the
media better than coaching.
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Speaker 4 (21:14):
A lot, Rob and I have talked about how.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
The NBA is being taken over by international players. The
last six MVPs have been international. Four of the five
players on the first team all NBA were international, and
it likely. I think almost certainly would have been all
(21:41):
five had Joe Lnb not gotten hurt, he would have
replaced Jason Tatum. And the best player in the NBA
Finals was an international player.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I'm talking about Luka Doncic, of course.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And then today and I knew this, but now as
the NBA Draft is coming closer, Martin, it'll be here
on Wednesday, and and this year I think you may know.
You know, they're going to two days, so I guess
they're trying to copy football, and and I have something
to say about that. But the first round is on Wednesday,
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second round is on Thursday. Well, and and we're gonna
get into that further detail. But round right, I was
looking at so hoopshype dot com, which is a great
basketball website NBA in particular, they did a and they've
(22:39):
been doing this, but they kind of put together they
compiled all the mock drafts, or most of them, the
significant ones out there. Uh the there were eleven of them, ESPN,
The Athletic Bleacher Report, The Ringer, Yahoo, CBS Sports Illustrated,
SB Nation and a few more US A Day, et cetera.
(23:02):
And in looking at these eleven draft mock drafts. They
put together their own mock draft based on all of those. Okay,
and the first two players and I'm I may destroy
their names, but Zakari Rissakar, it's not risk the car
(23:25):
because I've watched highlights of him and it's che k
yeah something like that.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Yeah, but you hear when the highlights.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
A lot of them are international announcers, so they're saying
it with an accent and all that. So Zakari and
then Alex Saar is second. So the first two are
international players, three of the top five are international players,
and five of the top ten are international players. And
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so Martin, I want to ask you, one, what is
you what are your thoughts on kind of what we're
seeing as maybe an international takeover of the league. But secondly,
this could hurt, like ironically, as the NBA is going
and let's stay stay here for a second, as the
(24:20):
NBA is going to a two day draft, and I agree.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
With you the second round is a snooze fest.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Why because most people don't know who's what the who
the players are drafted in the second round.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
But I got news for you.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Most Americans aren't going to know who even the top
players are now there are some college players in there
that they'll know, but even the top players because they're
from international, you know, nations.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Now I'm wondering, Martin.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Is this going to turn the entire draft, even the
first ten picks the lottery, which usually is the highlight.
Is it gonna turn that into a snooze fest. It's
gonna be Alex Saar and everybody.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Okay, who's this right? And so what are your thoughts
on that?
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Uh well, first of all, my first initial thought is
I wish the draft would It's it's a business meeting
that could have been an email. Quite honestly, I don't
see that the value of watching the NBA Draft or
the NFL draft honestly for that matter, on television at
this point, to me, they're huge. I mean, I get
it if I was, and if I was, you know,
(25:36):
if I was you know, a Pistons fan, for example,
a team that has been you know, locked in mediocrity,
if not worse, for the last few years, Hell yeah,
I'd be locked into the draft because they're.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Down to five. That would just sad. They had the
worst record in the.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
League even still, I mean even still, you know, who knows,
because maybe maybe I'm drafting the next Jason Tatum or
Jalen Brown at five, right, the next guy who could
be that be that spot could either one of those guys.
Boots Bousellis is who they're supposed to be picking, according
to hoopsyche although I will say this, I watched the
(26:14):
highlights of these guys, and I gotta be honest, these
Internet they balling well, they are balling and.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
It you know the Internet.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
They're playing in these pro leagues overseas and and and
some of them played in the G League too, but
they're playing and Bussellis is one that played in the
G League. But they're playing against competition that, to be honest,
is better than Division one college basketball now. And these
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dudes are balling now. I'm seeing the highlights, I'll admit that.
But the moves, the handle, the jump shot, the three
point shooting. I gotta be honest, they look pretty good.
And I know this is a weak draft, but I'm
just saying that.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
If you're looking at if you're only looking at the highlights,
as sure, but that's not all.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
We had of Luca. And that's what people were saying.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Is you know, you see the highlights of course he
looked good. Yeah, well it's translated.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Okay, but that's one of that's one situation and I'm
sure like itslated all right, but.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
You can if you can name Jannis and kid Chris
low developed.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
The point is, if you can name them off in
the list, they're outliers, right.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Because they're not outliers, Yes they are not. The international
dudes are coming over balling?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Is that not you shit?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Goon?
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I mean, how many more do we have to see?
The Wagners?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
They played you know, division they are international players. I'm
just saying, yeah, who played in the also weak Division
one college basketball that you keep pooh poohing it is weak.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's not weak Division one basketball. The best players college
as players ain't the NBA.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
But the fact that matter is if there was a
Zion Williamson in this draft, or Apollo Banco in this draft,
or hell even a Chad Holmgren or Scottie Barnes Anthony Edwards,
these guys will be the number one overall pick. Like,
these guys will still be the number one overall pick,
they just don't have one. This is gonna be a
draft that's more likely gonna have a lot of rotational guys.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
A lot of role players who come in and fill
spots on certain teams.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Now, if you're in a spot like that where you're
betting on trying to find the next what was the
kid from Indiana Ben Shephard?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Uh, the guy who started the rookie card. No, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
The kid from Indiana who was starting in the plostseason
after Halliburton got hurt. If you're looking for those guys,
who's his last name.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
With out TJ McConnell.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
No, I'm talking Rob Yeah, anyway, the rookie who was
starting in the conference final, right, Like, if you're looking
for the next Ben Shephard, see Christmas on your basket anyway. No,
if you're looking for guys like that, then sure I
will take what seems to be the quote unquote safer risk,
(29:08):
which is getting a guy who is draft who's been
playing in professional leagues for so long because he's used
to the just being a pro, right, just the aspect
of what being a pro is day in day out. Right,
it's a little different than he didn't have to, Like
Alex Star didn't go to math class, right, he did?
He wasn't on the quad he wasn't going to house
parties his freshman year of college.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Is going to point, are you actually saying that the
international players are only role players?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
My point is that if all the America players in
this draft didn't seem to project as only role players,
if there was a clear cut number one overall pick,
he would be the number one overall pick from America.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
That's like, I don't believe in that.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I don't believe that there's this big international takeover, especially
when you look at the history. Now, if you want
to talk about the leagues being dominated by them at
this moment.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Sure, but the draft history doesn't show that last five.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But what I'm talking about is the draft. This the
last five drafts are different. But this is just another
example of an international takeover. The first example is actually
the NBA that like, are you denying that dat?
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Now?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
If you wanna say who are the top fifty players
in basketball? Sure, the majority of them overwhelmingly Americans. But
if you gonna say who's the best five, the majority
of them are international? And now we're getting beat. It
is not now it's been happening getting beat in international.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Competition by nations.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
It's not like we're getting beat by an international team
that has Luke and Jannis and Joki and all these guys.
We're getting beat by individual nations that don't have guys.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Like the United States is in trouble for the gold medal.
I think we know.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I think we're the favorites, and we should be. I
just don't think it's a lock exactly, and I think
a point. I also think this is the last time
we'll be able to big boy the world and say, oh,
oh okay, y'all, y'all got us in fee, but we
were about to.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Send the big guns over. This will be the last
time we can do that. I just don't buy it.
I don't buy what.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
How you not buy it?
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I don't think that there's some I don't think that
there's a big international takeover in the draft, Like if
you want to talk about I'm not just talking about
the draft because the draft is only a precursor to
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
What about the NBA.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
This is just one draft, I agree, but I'm saying
this draft in particular, there is an international takeover, at
least at the top.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I think there are a handful of guys in the
international from who coming from different countries who yes, rise
to the top.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
But until we see a level of like.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Sixth, like consistently sixth, seventh man coming off the bench
being international players, I'm not ready.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
So you're saying, wait, I don't get that.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So you're saying you're saying that top six players on
the team be international. No, I'm saying, like, I mean,
you're impressed by a six man who's international than a superstarne.
I'm pushing back on the idea that there has been
this takeover. I'm pushing back on the idea that until
you see outside of these outliers, until you see.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
A consistent flowing stats. For Zingis was essentially a sixth
man in the playoffs because he was hurt.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
What do you Because he couldn't tell you got hurt,
you would have been more impressed.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
That he been a six man than the starting starter
averaging twenty points the Celtics. No, Chris, I don't saying,
want to talk about it's no Slovenia.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
There won't be an international takeoff.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Christa's for Zingi's the same guy who came over here,
was slated to be the unicorns, supposed to take over
the league, who's now been on four separate teams and
playing a toll on what five playoff games on this
title run? Six playoff games on this title run. I'm
sorry it never happened. Where was the unicorns? Where was
he was supposed to change?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
He gets hurt too much. But what do you want
me to say? I don't know what that's like. No,
I mean that that's not about his ability.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
His ability is he's a really good player when he's healthy.
He's twenty and nine when he's healthy.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Sure everywhere he's been, sure, and he's not a number
one guy. And he's not like he's a born Lake.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
But you're using you're why are you using him as
the example and not Luca or Jokic or Embiid or.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yannis Because even she Goon because what is look, I know,
I pick up.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
She got the only Shehn Goon fan in America on
the national stage.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I'm not saying that I think j playing
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Let's dive right into this and we will actually have
the author of this story joining us in the third
hour of the show, Tyler Dunn. But he wrote a
great article today on his substack about the cat Horizona.
Is it on Yahoo?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Not the I'm almost positive it was on a substack
Go Along TV. Okay, Yeah, so Yahoo probably just summarize,
but yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
His sub stack, and he talked about basically how Mike
McCarthy is kind of fed up with Jerry Jones. I'll
read you a little bit from one of the quotes
from the story.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
It's Golong's Tyler Dunn.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
This is from an ex Cowboys personnel man, so somebody
that worked in their front office, and he says this
about Mike McCarthy and how he's handling Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
He's doing it the best he can.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Some of the people I've talked to have said that
he's getting fed up with it a little bit. It's hard.
I feel bad for Dak. I think Dak's a really
good quarterback. Who is who is capable of taking a
team to the super Bowl. He's got to overcome a
lot of things. Here's one more thing from done the article.
Is not a direct quote from a person, but from
(01:53):
the article, multiple people high up in the organization indicate
that current player are more concerned about Jerry Jones than
their own head coach. They know ownership can undermine the
head coach at any moment, so that means you can
get a talented team like they've had. This is a
(02:14):
quote from a personnel source, the same one as before.
But they're going to underachieve when the coaches can't influence
the players the way they need to. All right, Martin,
you are a frequent listener of the Odd Couple. You
also see me on First Things First, so you will
(02:39):
not be surprised when I say.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I told you so.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
This is what I have been saying about the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Jerry Jones since he ran Jimmy Johnson out of the building.
I know he won another championship twenty nine years ago
with Barry Switzer as his coach with Jimmy's players, But
since then and since Jerry Jones has really taken over
the football operations of the franchise, he has created a.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Culture that is not conducive to winning big.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
You can have a good team, you can have a
lot of talent, but that team and that talent will
underachieve and not win it all because Jerry Jones has
made the Dallas Cowboys a soap opera. They are a drama.
I've said it before, I've said it again. They are
(03:43):
not primarily a football franchise. They are a drama, a
side show, a circus that is in a football setting.
It's like Bull Doo or Loving Basketball. Those were great
(04:03):
dramatic movies. It really wasn't about basketball or baseball for
the most part. Some yes, but the story was the drama,
the love stories, things like that, and it just happened
to take place in a basketball or baseball SETI that's
the Dallas Cowboys. That's the Dallas Cowboys, and that's look,
(04:28):
they got it. They now their roster isn't as good
as it's been, but they've had a very good roster
and they've constantly underachieved because Jerry Jones has created a
bad culture. He's got Mike McCarthy, he's got his first
year defensive coordinator, Mike Zimmer, and he's got his quarterback
on lame duck contracts. Because he's created a circus atmosphere
(04:52):
that makes money, that makes headlines that will be talked
about at nausea on television and radio. But when it
comes to the main thing, which is winning championships, he
falls woefully short. And Mike McCarthy now has to deal
with it, and that's a problem.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Chris, you said, I wasn't surprised. That's not true.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It was predictable, it was anticipated, It was understandable to
try to steal your vav no.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
But the fact of the matter is you didn't do
it right. But it is because the direction was misdirected.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
It was in the negative that was the problem.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
If you guys said I was surprised that I would
have been able to do anyway, not to belabor the point.
The fact of the matter is, I think Mike McCarthy
has done his job.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I mean, in the last three years they have thirty
six regular season wins.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
You know what that's good for the playoffs either won
the division or came into wildcard. Last three years, he's
been successful as far as the head coach of the
Dallas Cowboys is concerned. Like when you look at that
roster and you said the roster is not as good
as it was last year, and I agree with you,
But even last year they were lacking at the linebacker position,
(06:09):
and I had, like a fool, chose to just ignore
it the entire time. And sure enough, once you get
to the biggest games like the playoffs, the first round,
second rounds, you know, those conference championship so on, whatever
your biggest achilles heel is will almost always come to light.
And sure enough, that lack of linebacker corps let Aaron
Jones run for like eight thousand trillion yards in that
(06:32):
playoff game and they didn't stand the shot. I don't
know what Mike McCarthy's supposed to do, and that it
was supposed to go line up, we're fifty seven and
go make tackles.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
It's not happening, right.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I think when you look, and then people want to
blame Dak or so on and so forth. But I
think if you have the hand of the Mendoza line
of can I win with this quarterback? Dak Prescott is
above that Mendoza line. Like Dak Prescott is, he is
guy you always yes, even still, like if you just
Buynary zero one one, can I win?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
He's a one?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So when I look at this, I look at Okay,
this roster not only needs to improved, but also why
is it that we're talking about Dak Prescott being the
first sixty million dollar quarterback because he didn't get extended
a few years ago? Why is it that we're talking
(07:24):
about Cede Lamb after all these other wide receivers you named,
Justin Jefferson, sold and so forth have already set the
reset the market. Why not get a deal done with
Cede Lamb before that? So you're not even so CD's
not even coming in talking about thirty five million a year,
like Justin Jefferson has got to take down. That's on ownership.
(07:46):
That's on your general manager. That's not on the coach.
That's not the coaches job to do that, that's on you.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You seem like you don't think it's a culture problem
as much as just they haven't had good enough play.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I think that they both are true, right, they both
are true because a your culture, Jerry always sticks with
the guys he drafts a little too long, Layton van
der Esh, right, he'll stick with those guys. And why
does he do that because of the culture that is
already established, Like, well, these are my guys.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
We can coach him up. These are my guys.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
We can coach them up instead of going out there
on the free agent market or going out there and
making trades. Right, why like, why is it that we
still are seeing guys like Ezekiel Elliott walk back into
Dallas because they know him and don't give us how
America works.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
When you know somebody, it's a little bit easier to
get plugged.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
In sports, it'll it'll hurt you, exact stuff like that,
because sports, unlike corporate America, is about production in everybody's season. Well,
not that said, corporate America is not about production, but
you can hide every job in corporate America isn't about production. Well,
and how you can hide in corporate America, you can't
hide in professional football, baseball or basket.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Because difference is there's very rarely people's job it is
to try to take you down. Right, Like your success
ultimately means the professional sports, your success means that whoever
you beat is failing.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Right. It's very cut and dry, right, right, sports.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Says it's short, man, you win, did losses, right, So
after a while, after a while, if you are successful,
that means everybody else around you is failing. Right, So
there's gonna be some losses that you take on that.
But if you're not evaluating what is happening, evaluating what
is going on, and the one through line, like my
(09:36):
dad told me what I was dating, the one through
line between all your relationships is you.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Right, You're the only one that've dated all.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
These different girls that can point to what has gone
wrong in these different scenarios.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
It's you. It's always gonna be you.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
So with the Cowboys at this point, I think that
they were a roster that was Super Bowl potential last year.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
This year, I don't think so. No, not right now.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
You are in the spot now where you're gonna have
to pay these guys more than you would have to
because of the relationships. Because because Dak and you know,
it's kind of reported that Jerry and Dak don't have
like the quote unquote father son relationship that he likes
to have with some of his players, which I kind
of think is a funny way to do business, because
you don't fire your kids, right, You.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Always keep that they wait too long overta. Hey, guys,
they could have.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Paid They could have handled all of these contracts last
season and then be in a position where you have
a decent amount of salary cap because everybody's figured out
you have some salary cap to go out and get
some guys. You have some, but now because you don't,
you're gonna end up paying what is it, twenty five
percent of your cap to three different people.
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Speaker 1 (11:37):
And as I said, JJ Reddick finally announced as the
head coach of the Lakers. Longtime coming name was out
there all over the place, and he did say I'll
throw this out there Martin before we get to his
sound of him. But he did say that he and
Lebron James will end their podcast, which was only comments.
(12:03):
I can't believe anybody thought that they might keep it going.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Where were you on that?
Speaker 3 (12:09):
You got it in that there's no way to keep
a podcast if you're doing like me and your RTR
rooting for radio. I wanted him to do it, keep
doing it, just because it'd be great for us.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Exactly. It would have been le locker room.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
It would have been very much like Jerry Jones postgame
press conferences. I don't know why they do it, but
I'll take advantage of it if you're gonna go ahead
and keep it on.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
No, exactly right about that.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So I saw him say he was excommunicated from the
contest space, which is honestly though, Chris, It's good for
him because he was so very upset all the time
about how if he talked like if you trash Doc Rivers,
then he get a million views, but if he talked
about zone bringing the ball up the court for the Pelicans,
it would only get a couple hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Well, now he doesn't have to worry about that problem anymore.
That's right, That's right, all right. So here's what he said.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Uh, one of the things he said at today's press
conference with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Want to coach the Lakers. I want to coach the team.
I don't want to dispel anything. I don't I want
to become a great coach in the NBA, and I
want to win championships and I want my players to
maximize their careers. That's all I care.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
About, Martin weis your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I mean, I don't expect there was pretty much nothing
that JJ Reddick could have done today in his press
conference that would have impressed me. A He's a media
personality as of like two days ago. So it doesn't
surprise me that he can hold the microphone and sound good.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
In fact, it would have been more surprising if he didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
But when to me, when you're the head.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Coach of an organization save the Dallas Cowboys, you're supposed
to be the front the front facing guy.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
You are supposed to be the quote unquote adult in
the room.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Does it mean that the players are just absolved of
all maturity and responsibility? But it means the buck stops
with you, Like I don't understand what he thinks he's
doing when he.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Comes out saying I don't give a bleep about oh
cause he's cursing. Yeah, you know like that.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
No, No, you're the head coach of the team, and
it's not like, Okay. It's one thing if you just
lost a hotly contested game and you felt like you
got boned by a bad call by the referee or
something like that, and you're like, that's terrible, I'll pay
the fine. Right, But this is your introductory press conference.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Who are you trying to prove? Like, what are you
trying to prove.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Here that you're cool and hip or that you're just
so like, Oh, you know what, I don't even hear
about the engagement farming business. You were just in the
engagement farming business two weeks ago, and he seemed like
he cared. He exactly like, so to me, when you
come out there and show like, first of all, swearing
shows the lack of vocabulary in general.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Oh, I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
But when you come out there and you, to me,
that's trying to show I'm so tough, I'm so cool.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
You can't like like.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Nothing you reporters say can bother me or hold hang
me up. Of course, there's misconceptions that he should want
to dispel. Now if you just want to say, you
know what, I know, there's a ton of misconceptions. But
you know what, for me, my thing is I want
to go out and just be the best coach that
I can be. I've never done this before. I'm trying
to figure it out. And to this point, he had
(15:40):
some answers that were like that, but they were kind
of more jokey joke. I don't understand what's so damn funny.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I don't know where he's where he gets off saying like, well,
you know, you know, I don't give a bleep da
knowing that you've heard all of these since at least
Game one of the finals, when he said earlier in
this press conference that that was when the Dan Hurley
rumors started coming out, like.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
It's it's just to me.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
It shows it is a It could it very well
could be a sign that, you know, outside of the
resume and everything else, that maybe you're not ready for this,
maybe you're not ready to put the hat on that
you think you are, because you should have a better
answer to that question, or at least a better delivery.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Well he'd answer that question. Okay, he spoke for two
minutes before he cursed.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
But look, Martin Whitz, I respect what you said.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I'd love to.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Go back to a day and age when public people
didn't curse, right where we didn't hear cursing in our
music and in every rap song, every other bar and
things like that.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
That would be great. But we ain't there anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
And you don't think he's gonna be cursing in practice
on the podcast?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
All right?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I mean, I hear you, but I don't think that matters.
In fact, it sounded like the audience loved it, like
they were yucking at, you know, soaking it all up,
taking it all in love that he said that. I
bet you some of his players did too. And I'm
not saying, like I said, I would rather him not,
(17:17):
but I am not gonna say and you know me,
I don't curse, So I'm not trying to speak on
behalf of us, all of us cursing.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I'm just saying that I don't think that has.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Anything to do with what whether or not he's going
to be successful. I don't think it's a bad sign
because we know the coaches and the players curse all
the time, and now you're hearing it from guys not
only on the podcast, but you are hearing it from
coaches and players here and there in press conferences. We're
(17:52):
at parades when they win the championship. I remember when
the Cavs won in twenty sixteen. I know people in
clin even that left the parade because they were there
with their children and Lebron.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Was cursing up a store.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So it unfortunately, it's just a natural part of our
environment today. Notice said Chris, Lebron is the face of
a franchise player, though It's different to me if Anthony
Edwards or Lebron or whoever is on the post at
the post game saying I told him to stop eff
and follon, that's different to me than if Chris Finch
(18:29):
went up there and said I told Carl Anthony Towns
to stop eff and.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Fallon and he keeps it different though.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I mean, I and I get that they're to face
I guess of the franchise, but people curse.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I just don't love it. In the introductory press conference.
It to me, it's it's screams of tough guy behavior.
It screams of I'm teflon. There's nothing that you can
say that can affect.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Me, and it screen it like. That's what it feels
like to me. It's the front.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I do it the front that yeah, because I look,
I will say this. JJ did appear and correct me
if I'm wrong. He did appear to care, he says,
I don't give a f. He did appear to give
a f when it was happening, right when people would
criticize him or as he said, why people, you know,
(19:18):
they're more interested in me, saying, Doc, you know didn't
do this? Writer, Doc, didn't you know didn't do a
good job here than they R and me breaking down
the x'es and o's. He did seem to care, So
I do get your point about that. Seems like a
defense mechanism.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
And it's not like day JJ Reddit doesn't know to
talk without cursing. He did it all NBA Finals, He
did it all this whole entire career in ESPN.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
You didn't see J. J.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Reddick slip up and be like, man, that was a
bad f and play right there like no, like.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
You know what, I'm gonna start calling you father Martin Wise?
How about that goodness? I like it? You know I'm down.
You heard the intro. I'm down with that.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Fars To me, it just fop to me, it just
it's like, I don't know what you're doing here. I
don't like to me the extra bravado at the press
conference to me, really, we have Brady Hope to blame
for this, because once he said.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
We'll walk over Maryland to come coach.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Michigan and then proceeded to stink for most of the
entirety year that he was there way back.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Well, that's when I decided.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Then, That's when I was like, I'll never buy an
opening press conference.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
That's a wound there, that's a traumatic what in there?
I can see you bring it up, Brady freaking hope,
but Chris that I don't give a f moment right there.
Watch if they struggle off the top and they come
out in there.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Ten and fifteen through the first twenty five games, and
somebody asked him a question and he has a tefty response,
you know what you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
See all through social media.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You know what you'll be doing the next day on
TV talking about I thought you didn't give it that
what people had to say, No, we will exactly. So
I was like, why would you do that? Mister savvy
media personality just turned head coach. You should know the
media better than coaching.
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Speaker 4 (21:14):
A lot, Rob and I have talked about how.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
The NBA is being taken over by international players. The
last six MVPs have been international. Four of the five
players on the first team all NBA were international, and
it likely. I think almost certainly would have been all
(21:41):
five had Joe Lnb not gotten hurt, he would have
replaced Jason Tatum. And the best player in the NBA
Finals was an international player.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I'm talking about Luka Doncic, of course.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And then today and I knew this, but now as
the NBA Draft is coming closer, Martin, it'll be here
on Wednesday, and and this year I think you may know.
You know, they're going to two days, so I guess
they're trying to copy football, and and I have something
to say about that. But the first round is on Wednesday,
(22:18):
second round is on Thursday. Well, and and we're gonna
get into that further detail. But round right, I was
looking at so hoopshype dot com, which is a great
basketball website NBA in particular, they did a and they've
(22:39):
been doing this, but they kind of put together they
compiled all the mock drafts, or most of them, the
significant ones out there. Uh the there were eleven of them, ESPN,
The Athletic Bleacher Report, The Ringer, Yahoo, CBS Sports Illustrated,
SB Nation and a few more US A Day, et cetera.
(23:02):
And in looking at these eleven draft mock drafts. They
put together their own mock draft based on all of those. Okay,
and the first two players and I'm I may destroy
their names, but Zakari Rissakar, it's not risk the car
(23:25):
because I've watched highlights of him and it's che k
yeah something like that.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Yeah, but you hear when the highlights.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
A lot of them are international announcers, so they're saying
it with an accent and all that. So Zakari and
then Alex Saar is second. So the first two are
international players, three of the top five are international players,
and five of the top ten are international players. And
(23:58):
so Martin, I want to ask you, one, what is
you what are your thoughts on kind of what we're
seeing as maybe an international takeover of the league. But secondly,
this could hurt, like ironically, as the NBA is going
and let's stay stay here for a second, as the
(24:20):
NBA is going to a two day draft, and I agree.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
With you the second round is a snooze fest.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Why because most people don't know who's what the who
the players are drafted in the second round.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
But I got news for you.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Most Americans aren't going to know who even the top
players are now there are some college players in there
that they'll know, but even the top players because they're
from international, you know, nations.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Now I'm wondering, Martin.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Is this going to turn the entire draft, even the
first ten picks the lottery, which usually is the highlight.
Is it gonna turn that into a snooze fest. It's
gonna be Alex Saar and everybody.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Okay, who's this right? And so what are your thoughts
on that?
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Uh well, first of all, my first initial thought is
I wish the draft would It's it's a business meeting
that could have been an email. Quite honestly, I don't
see that the value of watching the NBA Draft or
the NFL draft honestly for that matter, on television at
this point, to me, they're huge. I mean, I get
it if I was, and if I was, you know,
(25:36):
if I was you know, a Pistons fan, for example,
a team that has been you know, locked in mediocrity,
if not worse, for the last few years, Hell yeah,
I'd be locked into the draft because they're.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Down to five. That would just sad. They had the
worst record in the.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
League even still, I mean even still, you know, who knows,
because maybe maybe I'm drafting the next Jason Tatum or
Jalen Brown at five, right, the next guy who could
be that be that spot could either one of those guys.
Boots Bousellis is who they're supposed to be picking, according
to hoopsyche although I will say this, I watched the
(26:14):
highlights of these guys, and I gotta be honest, these
Internet they balling well, they are balling and.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
It you know the Internet.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
They're playing in these pro leagues overseas and and and
some of them played in the G League too, but
they're playing and Bussellis is one that played in the
G League. But they're playing against competition that, to be honest,
is better than Division one college basketball now. And these
(26:45):
dudes are balling now. I'm seeing the highlights, I'll admit that.
But the moves, the handle, the jump shot, the three
point shooting. I gotta be honest, they look pretty good.
And I know this is a weak draft, but I'm
just saying that.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
If you're looking at if you're only looking at the highlights,
as sure, but that's not all.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
We had of Luca. And that's what people were saying.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Is you know, you see the highlights of course he
looked good. Yeah, well it's translated.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Okay, but that's one of that's one situation and I'm
sure like itslated all right, but.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
You can if you can name Jannis and kid Chris
low developed.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
The point is, if you can name them off in
the list, they're outliers, right.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Because they're not outliers, Yes they are not. The international
dudes are coming over balling?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Is that not you shit?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Goon?
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I mean, how many more do we have to see?
The Wagners?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
They played you know, division they are international players. I'm
just saying, yeah, who played in the also weak Division
one college basketball that you keep pooh poohing it is weak.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's not weak Division one basketball. The best players college
as players ain't the NBA.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
But the fact that matter is if there was a
Zion Williamson in this draft, or Apollo Banco in this draft,
or hell even a Chad Holmgren or Scottie Barnes Anthony Edwards,
these guys will be the number one overall pick. Like,
these guys will still be the number one overall pick,
they just don't have one. This is gonna be a
draft that's more likely gonna have a lot of rotational guys.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
A lot of role players who come in and fill
spots on certain teams.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Now, if you're in a spot like that where you're
betting on trying to find the next what was the
kid from Indiana Ben Shephard?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Uh, the guy who started the rookie card. No, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
The kid from Indiana who was starting in the plostseason
after Halliburton got hurt. If you're looking for those guys,
who's his last name.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
With out TJ McConnell.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
No, I'm talking Rob Yeah, anyway, the rookie who was
starting in the conference final, right, Like, if you're looking
for the next Ben Shephard, see Christmas on your basket anyway. No,
if you're looking for guys like that, then sure I
will take what seems to be the quote unquote safer risk,
(29:08):
which is getting a guy who is draft who's been
playing in professional leagues for so long because he's used
to the just being a pro, right, just the aspect
of what being a pro is day in day out. Right,
it's a little different than he didn't have to, Like
Alex Star didn't go to math class, right, he did?
He wasn't on the quad he wasn't going to house
parties his freshman year of college.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Is going to point, are you actually saying that the
international players are only role players?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
My point is that if all the America players in
this draft didn't seem to project as only role players,
if there was a clear cut number one overall pick,
he would be the number one overall pick from America.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
That's like, I don't believe in that.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I don't believe that there's this big international takeover, especially
when you look at the history. Now, if you want
to talk about the leagues being dominated by them at
this moment.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Sure, but the draft history doesn't show that last five.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But what I'm talking about is the draft. This the
last five drafts are different. But this is just another
example of an international takeover. The first example is actually
the NBA that like, are you denying that dat?
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Now?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
If you wanna say who are the top fifty players
in basketball? Sure, the majority of them overwhelmingly Americans. But
if you gonna say who's the best five, the majority
of them are international? And now we're getting beat. It
is not now it's been happening getting beat in international.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Competition by nations.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
It's not like we're getting beat by an international team
that has Luke and Jannis and Joki and all these guys.
We're getting beat by individual nations that don't have guys.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Like the United States is in trouble for the gold medal.
I think we know.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I think we're the favorites, and we should be. I
just don't think it's a lock exactly, and I think
a point. I also think this is the last time
we'll be able to big boy the world and say, oh,
oh okay, y'all, y'all got us in fee, but we
were about to.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Send the big guns over. This will be the last
time we can do that. I just don't buy it.
I don't buy what.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
How you not buy it?
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I don't think that there's some I don't think that
there's a big international takeover in the draft, Like if
you want to talk about I'm not just talking about
the draft because the draft is only a precursor to
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
What about the NBA.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
This is just one draft, I agree, but I'm saying
this draft in particular, there is an international takeover, at
least at the top.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I think there are a handful of guys in the
international from who coming from different countries who yes, rise
to the top.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
But until we see a level of like.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Sixth, like consistently sixth, seventh man coming off the bench
being international players, I'm not ready.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
So you're saying, wait, I don't get that.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So you're saying you're saying that top six players on
the team be international. No, I'm saying, like, I mean,
you're impressed by a six man who's international than a superstarne.
I'm pushing back on the idea that there has been
this takeover. I'm pushing back on the idea that until
you see outside of these outliers, until you see.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
A consistent flowing stats. For Zingis was essentially a sixth
man in the playoffs because he was hurt.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
What do you Because he couldn't tell you got hurt,
you would have been more impressed.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
That he been a six man than the starting starter
averaging twenty points the Celtics. No, Chris, I don't saying,
want to talk about it's no Slovenia.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
There won't be an international takeoff.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Christa's for Zingi's the same guy who came over here,
was slated to be the unicorns, supposed to take over
the league, who's now been on four separate teams and
playing a toll on what five playoff games on this
title run? Six playoff games on this title run. I'm
sorry it never happened. Where was the unicorns? Where was
he was supposed to change?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
He gets hurt too much. But what do you want
me to say? I don't know what that's like. No,
I mean that that's not about his ability.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
His ability is he's a really good player when he's healthy.
He's twenty and nine when he's healthy.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Sure everywhere he's been, sure, and he's not a number
one guy. And he's not like he's a born Lake.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
But you're using you're why are you using him as
the example and not Luca or Jokic or Embiid or.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yannis Because even she Goon because what is look, I know,
I pick up.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
She got the only Shehn Goon fan in America on
the national stage.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I'm not saying that I think j playing
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