June 28, 2024 • 35 mins
Former NFL quarterback Shaun King is in for Rob, and he and Chris discuss what the Dejounte Murray trade means for the New Orleans Pelicans, whether this mean Trae Young’s days in Atlanta are numbered as well, if LeBron James’ legacy when he retires will be mostly for his on-court or off-court accomplishments and whether Tua Tagovailoa should be willing to accept a below-market deal to stay with the Miami Dolphins.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Can we get the loquacious one, Rob G just to
give us the quick news on the trade. I mean
the main guy was obviously Desonte Levy, but still give
us the whole trade as it is.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, Chris and Sean. So de Jontay Murray, as you
guys know, there speculation around him getting moved. They have
done that. He is no longer in Atlanta and the
Hawks are going to send over to the Pelicans in
exchange for the Pelican Pelicans are going to send over
to the Hawk, excuse me, in exchange Larry Nance Junior,
Dison Daniels in two first round selections, and apparently a
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bucket of balls as well. So there's a lot there.
But Dejontay Murray is out, and yeah, Chris and Sean.
They were thinking, well do they rebuild, are they going
to stay with Murray or are they going to try
to go a new And it looks like there's a
new path and a new culture being set in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, Atlanta definitely is going in a different direction.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
It'll be interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I assume they'll keep Trey, but his name's been out
there as well.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
If you got to be going upstairs like I want
out too, right, I don't want to be a part
of this.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I mean he part of an issue.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I mean I have an issue with with stars demanding
trades when they're part of the issue.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
His lack of defense is what you were firing.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Lack of defense.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I just think he needs and I don't want to
just rip the Atlanta organize, but I think Trey Young
needs to be in a really strong organization that's gonna
teach him how to play winning basketball. He's immensely talented, right,
He's always up near the top of the league and
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assist and he scores darn near thirty points a game,
So his talent is great, but he's inefficient, highly inefficient.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Obviously doesn't defend.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
He's not gonna be a great defender ever, but he
can be a smart defender. He can be right in
the right place at the right time. I would love
him in San Antonio. Now I know they got Stefine Castle,
so he may end up being their point guard of
the future.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
And I like him a lot too.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
But I think Trey in a place like San Antonio,
where they would teach him how to play the right way,
he would have a superstar who's better than him in Wimby.
I think that would be great. And I'm not down
on Trey. Look, he obviously led a team to the
Eastern Conference finals, and he is clutch. I know he's
had some bad playoff moments, but he's had some great
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ones and he went and conquered Madison Square Garden. So
he's clutched, and he's incredibly talented, But I just I
want to see him in a different situation. So I
guess if he asks for a trade, I wouldn't rip him.
But I just think he's He's a part of the
issue too.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Chris.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I love the move for the Pelicans because and Brandon
Ingram have proven that they can play off the ball
and get their shots. So to bring a point guard
in with size that can score, has proven to be
a good distributed to the ball, gives a more length
on defense. If Zion can stay healthy, you know what
what is Valentos.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Val is a free agent, so and the thought is
he might be gone, but we'll see.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I like Valentin.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I like that they need some size. I feel you.
I'm a I am a fan of the Jontay Murray.
I love CJ.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Column.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Ingram is a solid shooter from three, not great, but
you know he and Zion, I mean they do both
like the ball. Uh if this offseason, if I'm the
Pelicans and I'm playing on keeping Brandon or even if
I'm I mean not, I may end up having to
keep him anyway. I am just having him work on
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his shot because he's had a few seasons where he
shot thirty nine percent from three, so it's there.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
But I need him to be an even better shooter because.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Here's the one question mark I now have about the Pelicans.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Where's the shooting. CJ is a really good shooter.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
McCollums, I mean Ingram Okay, Like I said, he's got
to improve that. Zion isn't a three point thread at all.
Dejonte was better, I think last year from three. But
he's he's like thirty four thirty five percent for his career.
So and then whoever that right now, they don't really
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have a center. I mean if they went small, Herb
Jones is a great defender. Trey Murphy is a great
three point shooter, but I don't know if you want
to start him.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And so that's my only thing.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think they need a little more shooting, but athleticism,
you know, I like it's it's not the final step,
but I think it could is a step in the
right direction.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
I thought they never should have got rid of Jackson Hayes.
I loved his development, you know, potential. Secondly, Brandon Ingram's
a thirty six percent career three point shooter. My issue
with Ingram is availability. I mean, it's rookie. You played
seventy nine games since then, he's never played more than
sixty four. Like he's just a guy that that little knicks.
Maybe he hasn't Like when you look at Jannis's body
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when as a rookie and what he's become, then you
look at Brandon Ingram's by as a rookie. Why isn't
he closer to looking like Yannis, like adding that that
that good muscle becoming a little stronger, more durable.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, some of that might have just been that Yannis
was not as full grown as ingram At at nineteen,
you know what I mean, Like Yannis hadn't filled out,
and obviously ingram was thin. He's still thin, but he
just may not be that type of build. But I
hear you, I mean you could see a little more development.
I like him, but like I said, he likes to
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go to the rack, Zion likes to go to the rack.
Dejonte likes to go to the rack. No, I like addinging,
but they gonna need some shooting. You think they do
not have enough shooting? You think they do to be
like a contender out West, they that's to me, that's
what they need.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Who out West has great shooting across the board. I
mean Dallas has Lucas.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Shooting, no, but but as a team shooting it pretty well.
I mean, and Kyrie is a lot and then you
got the guys that can hit it from the corner.
The corner three was a big part of the Dallas offense.
So you know, okay, see.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
McCollum shot three last year.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Well, Trey is off the bench, though, are you gonna
start him and you're starting lineup Ingram doesn't He's okay,
but Zion is not a three point threat, and so
like I said that to me, that's where they need
to improve. But I like Murray a lot. I think
it's a step in the right direction. But they still
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gonna They're gonna need some more shooting. It's just today.
I mean, we just saw the team that won the
championship shot the most threes in the league.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
By the way, they did draft the big center from
Baylor in the draft, me se Eves mecI.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
So yeah, maybe.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Looking at as a big okay, okay.
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Speaker 1 (08:52):
Let's turn to what has been the story of the
past couple of days at least, and that is Brianie
James getting drafted by the Lakers with the fifty fifty
fifth pick yesterday and now Lebron James, who is the
all time leading scorer in NBA history, viewed by many
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as the second best player ever.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Some view him as the greatest player ever.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I've long said, Sean that like my generation controls the
discussion right now, and we for the most part, my
generation says it's Michael Jordan. Now the generation before me
does not necessarily say it's Jordan. That most of them
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say they don't know. I think most just kind of
are like, well, it is no goat, you know. I mean,
I'm talking about hearing Oscar Robertson and great legends of
the past. They kind of just say, well, there is
no greatest. Everybody's been great, you know, the superstars and
this and that, but some do say Kareem. And I
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just feel like, and I've said this for a long time,
it's possible. I used to think it was very like
almost a done deal, and then the last dance really
swayed a lot of the young people to Jordan's side.
But you know, the things Lebron is done lately, by
becoming the all time leading scorer, by playing so well
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into his thirty ninth year and probably fortieth year, I
think has swayed some people, at least the young people
to his side. So I do feel like it's very
possible when the rob G's of the world, his people,
his age, the twenty somethings, the thirty somethings, the teenagers.
Right now, when they're controlling the narrative, they made very well.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Lebron James may.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Be viewed widely as the goat, because right now you
would say Jordan is why viewed is the goat. But
when they're controlling the narrative, I think it could be Lebron.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
You disagree, I don't think it's a it's fair to
give the gen Z's like that pass because there's enough
visual evidence of Jordan too if you're objective when you're
comparing the two to say he's different. Lebron's good, really good.
But okay, I've finally seen these Jordan highlights. I watched
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a couple, but he's different. Now if you want to
go past Jordan, it's not as much film available on
Kareem and Oscar Robertson and you know, trying to see
how good the Bill Russell Celtics were. So I get
maybe not being to have that correlation, but I don't
give himbody that pass like Lebron's a ball.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Where are you at on that rob.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
On?
Speaker 8 (11:47):
The the fact that I.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Do you have Jordan or I mean Lebron second to Jordan?
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
So yeah about like your generation and younger? Do you
think what I said when they're controlling the narrative, like
instead of my generation, the nick right aged people are
younger and all that that Lebron will be viewed as
the goat the way Jordan is right now kind of
almost universally absolutely.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
And is because we're already seeing it take place in
the NBA and in college because when they ask these guys,
who's the best player, Who's the goat? Oh, it's Lebron James.
Some guys are even saying Paul George. You know, some
guys just don't. They're saying they're saying coch right, because
that's who they grew up watching, That's who they idolized.
So the way that people use the goat conversation now,
it's not necessarily oh, this is actually the greatest player.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
It's this is who I believe is this is my goal?
Speaker 9 (12:38):
Yeah, but that's that's it, and that's where that's where
the conversation is going.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
But that that I mean when people say that they
need to be silent. Yeah it's a copy no and
be like, look that's your that's cool that that's your
favorite player, but we're not talking about your favorite player.
The question on the table is who is the greatest
play And it ain't Paul George. Okay, you have him
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as your paper player, but you better pick somebody else
for the goat.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Who is it?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
But the point we wanted to get to Sean is
and Lebron tweeted out a great picture of him and
Brianni when Briannie was I don't know how old maybe
five six years old, if not younger, and Lebron was
playing with the Cavaliers his.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
First it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, it was awesome, the corn Rows and all that,
and Lebron tweeted out or put on Instagram the word legacy.
And I want to ask you when what's because we
know Lebron's.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Legacy is gonna be multifaceted.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But what do you think will be the first thing
that comes to mind when people think of Lebron James
twenty twenty five year years from now, like and I'll
give you some examples.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I just think people think, Honestly, I feel like people
think got like. I really think that's kind of the
first thing that comes to mind, absolutely, Michael Jordan's goat.
I think doctor j it's, you know, kind of brought
the street game and all the high flying moves and
everything to the NBA.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I think it's standing up courageously and unashamedly for black
people and his views in general, like Vietnam, even though
as great as he was in the ring, I think
though that might be the first thing people think of.
Roger you who were something we were talking about this
early I'm trying to think of some of the other people.
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We were talking.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Bill Russell and the eleven champions.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Bill Russell, you think eleven rings, Will Chamberlain, you kind of.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I think the first thing might be for Will Chamberlain,
one hundred points in the game or average fifty, his assault,
just the outlandish records he put up that will never
be touched again. But with Lebron, there's a lot to
choose from, and it might be it could even be
something off the court. But what do you think will
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be like that first thing that comes to your mind
when you hear the name Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I think it's gonna be Mogul. I think it's gonna
be Mogul. I think Lebron is the Jay Z of sports.
Like you can make an argument that Jay was the
dopest rapper alive in the late nineties early two thousands,
but you could also argue that there was some other gifted,
you know, lyricists that people thought were better. What you
can't argue is that no one is transitioning from entertainment
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to business as well as Jay Z has, and I
see that same pathway for Lebron. I think the one
platform where he's gonna be standing hired than Michael Jordan
when this is all said and done, I think Jordan's
going to be more successu full as an executive and
eventually an owner.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
I mean Lebron.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I think Lebron is going to be more successful than
mj post career and when it comes to the game
of basketball and success as the leader of an organization.
And I think that ultimately, as time continues to to
to move further and further away from his last shot,
that's that's where, in my opinion, he could potentially catch MJ.
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If if Vegas gets an NBA team and le Bron's
part of the ownership group or he's a GM and
and two three years after the interception of the team,
they're playing for a Western Eastern Conference finals and Lebron
sitting there looking brilliant, looking like Jerry Westish or something.
You know, I think that that could elevate him in
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some ways, because that's the one thing that Jordan's really
never been able to do, is get the Hornets consistently competitive.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, and look, Lebron has done more than Michael Jordan
off the court. You know a lot of people wanted
Jordan to speak up more about racial issues and things
like that, and he didn't. He's done a lot since
he's been you know, retired, I mean, just becoming an
African American owner of a major, you know, major sports
league team is progress, moving the race forward, and it's impressive.
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He built the medical facility obviously in North Carolina, so
he's done some things, but he waited until he was
done playing. Lebron has done tremendous things and been outspoken
while he's playing, so I think that obviously he's has
that on Jordan. I don't think any of this affects
the Goat conversation. But I think you make a great point.
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It might be mogul because I think within that mogul
definition of Lebron James comes.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
He's done movies, he's starting the school albums, He's got
a school.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I don't even think the movies and albums are because
his movies haven't been like tremendous they like Jordan's you know,
Space Jam was better than Lebron's Space.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
I mean, I don't know that the movies I.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Think, and I'm talking on the production side, I was
gonna say.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Like them doing him putting Maverick, Carter and Rich Paul
in positions to become moguls in their own right.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
And they've elevated to best in the business in their
space right.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And I think him that will is part of his legacy.
I think the player empowerment that he sparked can go
into the mogul department, and then even the school can
go into the mogul department. Like you said, if he
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becomes an owner of a team and and so on
and so forth, so that could be it.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
I mean, you think got Tata and Emery, Lebron's got
Maverick and Rich.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
It matches well jay Z.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I mean him being like remember early in Lebron's career,
he was a protege of jay Zon, so he definitely
learned a lot from jay Z. And I think that's
I think that's a good comparison. And I think I
think post career, Lebron's gonna do amazing things.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
But I also wonder.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
If one of the first things could be he played
with his son, Like he was the first basketball player
ever to play with his son. And some people might think,
come on, all he's done that this is gonna be
But this is so unique and I don't know if
it will depend on Briani becoming a really good player
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or what, or maybe I'm wrong, but if that could
be the because that is something he's done, that gonna
when is that for done?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
They're gonna have some moments like just think about this
for a second. Make yourself a director of a feature
film and it's an autobiography and you're doing the lebron
James story. What better way to culminate all of this
extended greatness than to be able to write into the
script some game. It might be the mid season championship
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like they won this past season, and Briannie and Broun
play a prominent role and you get the picture of
them in three years from now. Hey, listen, Brianni's gonna.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
G you're a little more optimistic.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Bronnie is going to get into some games this year.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, he's gonna.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I mean, and I'm not I like Brinnie, and I
think he's going to be a serviceable NBA.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Player at some point.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
But I don't think he's playing a significant role this season.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I don't think I think he's gonna get him the.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Blowouts when they're blowing, the Lakers are blowing somebody out.
That's where he and Lebron throws an alley to Lebron
James in an NBA regular season game this season for decades, Right, No,
something like that could happen.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Put yourself around it could be.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Right, what better ending if we're if we're doing his autobiography,
like if we're doing a movie based on Lebron's life,
what better potential ending than him and his son on
the court the same time n B a real game.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
It's awesome. That's the time. There's no doubt. But he's
got so many moments.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
That's the big joker, no matter what, right, no matter
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
That that might be the thing we think of first.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I'm with Mike, That's what I'm saying, Like Jordan might
be the first thing we think of him.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
He was the first player to play with his son. Absolutely,
and that that's like having a little joker.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
So if he's and by that, no matter who he's
sitting at the table with outside of Jordan, he's got
the little joker. I don't care if it's Magic, if
it's Bird, if it's Shock, any of them he pulls.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
He's a different arguments though, right, and the only reason
I I talk go I talked is basketball go.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I'm talking on the court. I'm not talking about all
the all the all.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
I'm talking on the court to Christal, We're talking to
fellas at the picnic, the NBA Basketball Top one hundred Picnic.
He can say I won as many championships almost everybody here.
I was so good. I played long enough to play
with my son. The only the only joker that's bigger
than his is Michael Coreach in his pocket and pull
out the six rings.
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Speaker 4 (22:48):
Let's go to the NFL, your specialty.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I mean, you obviously know all the sports, but you
play quarterback in the NFL. As you said earlier, you
still work with some quarterbacks, and so Tua tongue of
viola and I probably I still always struggle with his name.
But very nice season he had with the Miami Dolphins
his fourth year.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
He was healthy all.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Year, and he's looking to get paid, and the reports
are that the Dolphins do not want to pay him
market value, which is around fifty three to fifty five million.
Jared Goff got fifty three million. Recently, Trevor Lawrence, who
hasn't done as much as Tua, got fifty five million.
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And I don't know what the Dolphins are offering, but
let's say it's between forty five and fifty but it's
below market value.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
So what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I have said, Sean, I'm on the record, if I
were the Dolphins, I would not be ready to give
to a huge contract because he's only been healthy for
one out of his four seasons, and while he has
put up numbers, he has been bad against winning teams.
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This year past year was one in six against playoff teams,
and his numbers were not good as great as they
were against the Tomato Cans. That's how bad they were
against the playoff teams. And then he struggles in cold weather,
and I mean just chili, I don't mean freezing, I
mean a brisk breeze, and brother struggling forty five degrees
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and below, he's zero to six. So I got questions,
and so I want to see him get it done
this year. I'm not saying we have to win the
Super Bowl, but I want to see him play well
against the playoff teams and play well in cold weather
before I give him this huge.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Contract. If I'm the Dolphins, what are your thoughts.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Here's what's interesting, Chris, and it got him fired. But
Brian Flores set this what four years ago.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yes, we can't win a Chance Championship with two as
our starting quarterback.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
And the organization was all up in arms.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
They couldn't believe that their head coach didn't have the
back of the quarterback that they selected.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
But he told them this years ago.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Now what's interesting is this is the first team to
buck the trend because what's happened in the NFL is
they stopped playing the player and started paying the position
when it came to quarterback. So whoever the next quarterback
was up, he got slightly more than the guy in
front of him. You can't tell me that Trevor Lawrence
is better than Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
But the sequencing said his.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Agent had to get a win, So whether it was
guaranteed money or nearly average or a total amount of
conversation had to be in the ballpark. The Dolphins are
saying Hey, man, hell with that? Who is not those guys?
He doesn't have that kind of transcendent talent. We don't
think we can win games in spite of not surrounding
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him with a great group of support and players. And
because of that, we got to say some cap space.
So I want to see if this is going to
become a trend, because the complete opposite happened to running back.
Instead of paying the player, they started saying we're not
gonna pay the position, no matter who the running back was.
Now it'll be challenging on guy McCaffrey comes up. Yeah,
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but he was before the trend started.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
But I mean he just got extended. Yeah, good money.
So I agree with the Dolphins.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
I'm not gonna be pitching holding to giving that percentage
of my cap to a guy that I think is transcended.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I was gonna, okay, so you so you pretty much
agree with my with my take on tour. So to me,
he has a huge decision to make because I think
he's got he.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Can do one of two things.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
He can If let's say they're offering in between forty
five and fifty, it might be around forty five. That's
what Kirk cousins got, but let's say it's somewhere between
forty five and fifty a year. If he look, he
can be upset all he wants, and I get it.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
You know, in our business we have contracts. We negotiate too,
all right.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So I get you feeling you should get more money
than their offering, and that's something that you have to
deal with, one way or the other. But if they're
offering him that much money, he could take it.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
And then look at it and say, I'm in that.
I have great weapons, great weapons.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Right both in the backfield and on the outside the
wide receivers. I've got a very good offensive coach. Coach
in general, I think McDaniel's good. I'm in a great location.
It is warm here, and I've got the security cause looking.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
In the mirror, I have been injured and I am smaller.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So you can either say, all right, look at all
those things and take that money that's below market value,
or you can say, I'm gonna go out, stay.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Healthy, which obviously isn't always in your control.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
But stay healthy, play great, and kind of bet on myself.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
The challenge with that, Sean, is that even if you
could go.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Out and have a phenomenal season and maybe if you
do play that well, they wouldn't do this, but.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
They could franchise you.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Like, so it's not a guarantee that even if you
win the MVP Award that they're going to pay you
market value.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
So what do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Like, if you're into a shoes, I gotta be honest,
that first option, as angry as you might be, doesn't
look bad.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Listen, if I was managing tour, I would say, we're
gonna go boas one of those Mercedes sprinter vans, and
we're gonna park it in front of the Dolphins facility
and we're gonna overnight until we sign this deal. You're
not tall, you're not athletic, you don't have a big
time arm. You live in Miami, in the state of
Florida where there's no state tax. You have Jade Waddle
(29:08):
and Tyreek Hill as your wide receivers. You got Devin
a chain Raheem Moster at running back. You've got an
offensive minded coach that's cool as a fan. And is
it Mike mc daniel daniel? Yeah, I mean, come on,
what's the difference. Come on, Chris for a god, that
really doesn't have any elite trait. Forty million a year, man, Look,
you won.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
You be it, and I don't even think it's that low.
I gotta believe I'm.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Just throwing that number out there. I mean, come on, man,
who cares what those other guys got? You far surpassed
and superseded your talent level. But we're not sund like
this is Josh Allen. Right, No, I mean, come on,
tell me what elite trait does two have?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Yeah, he's sure. He's not athletic. You can have a
big time arm.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
And he's injury pro. I mean now he has been.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I don't know if he fully is, but yes, going forward,
he'll stay healthy.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
But this is kind of one of those things where
you have to be strong handed with your agent because
your agent has an obligation in the market he's in, right,
it looks bad on him if these other guys are
getting this deal and he allows you.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
To settle for this one.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah, and look, I'm.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Taking the I'm taking what's on the table, just because
I've got to be honest with myself about who and
what I am.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
If i'm too and look.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
The best quarterback in the league, Patrick Mahomes Now his
deal is strange because they keep you know, they can
keep changing it, right, But he makes about forty five
million a year. Now, I think he'll end up getting more,
you know what I mean, as they shift money around
and make sure he gets paid. But he's getting forty
(30:47):
five million a year. This I'm looking at this. Mahomes
would earn an average forty five million per season until
twenty thirty one.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Now that's when it's kind of yeah, I mean, so
he'll get more. But I don't know. I think you
make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
And I get to a win in the bag, the
full bag, because this is a bag in itself, that's
for sure. I get where the Dolphins are at. You
and I are in lockstep on that. But he does
what if some bad team is woodling to pay him? Yeah,
and then you go to a situation where you don't
(31:27):
have elite receivers. They're expecting you to carry them to
contender status and you fizzle badly.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
And you do it for what maybe the same amount
of money depending on where that team is.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Because you're right one of that the taxes, you.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Go to one of these states with that eleven twelve
thirteen percent state tax and the money ends up being
what you would have gotten in Miami. This is how
I would play it if I was too, And I
don't think a lot of current athletes look at it
like this. How much money is enough money? I mean,
come on, if you get one hundred and sixty million
on this deal instead of two, I mean, come on, man,
in Miami, everything's already paid for. What I would be
(32:05):
trying to do if I was two of I would
be making sure that me and mister Ross were tight
and I would be whispering. And you know, when I finished,
I'd love to be assistant GM and I'd be already
working on my transition. I'll take some team friendly deals
to be able to stay around the game and be
in a position of power when I finish.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Like think long term.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Look at the macro approach, not the Michael because he's
not that talented Chris. If it wasn't for McDaniel kind
of resurrecting his career and them going out and getting
Tyreek Hill, two of them might even be a starting
quarterback right now.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
I will give him this.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
He has one. Like regular season again, Yeah, everybody wanted Bama. No,
I'm talking about in Miami. When you right, I'm not
saying he's lit the world on fire wins, but even
when he was his first three years, when he was
getting injured, he still was winning games out of level
(33:00):
they didn't win at when he was injured or when
it was another quarterback in there line.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
And I'm not saying he's elite. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
That's why I'd be hesitant to pay him. But I look,
I've told Rob this many times. There was a time
years ago when I was at ESPN and I got
offered more money to go elsewhere, and I did not take.
I stayed at ESPN. I liked the situation I was
in and I was happy. I was you know, everything
(33:29):
was great. Obviously you're getting a lot of exposure ESPN.
And I was like, why would I go somewhere else,
even if it's a little more money, if I'm not
gonna enjoy what I'm doing as much as what I'm
doing now.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
And so I'm with you, you're right.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
And I remember when Lebron was going to Miami from Cleveland,
and initially he was willing to take less than the max.
They ended up doing a sign and trades, so he
got the max. But when people around Lebron told me,
they said to me, look, there's nothing you can do.
And these were the numbers at that time. There's nothing
(34:09):
you can do with nineteen million dollars a year that
you can't do with sixteen million dollars, right, and that
is the truth. And then when you throw in the
state tax, you're right now, I don't know what they're offering,
but I can't imagine it's below forty five million a year.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
If you play it the way that you were saying,
and better on yourself, you're at the mercy of whoever
decides that you're that guy. You don't get to pick
and choose. He's not like Aaron Rodgers, who can kind
of go to green bands, say I only want to
go to these two spots, like on the free agent market.
(34:48):
I mean, I don't know how valuable to it is.
I think he would be. I mean, I'm just gonna
say this, sometimes you gotta be honest with yourself about
who and what you are and know that if you
get a forty plus million of your bag, you overachieve
based on the natural gifts God gave you.
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brusha and Rob Harker.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Can we get the loquacious one, Rob G just to
give us the quick news on the trade. I mean
the main guy was obviously Desonte Levy, but still give
us the whole trade as it is.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, Chris and Sean. So de Jontay Murray, as you
guys know, there speculation around him getting moved. They have
done that. He is no longer in Atlanta and the
Hawks are going to send over to the Pelicans in
exchange for the Pelican Pelicans are going to send over
to the Hawk, excuse me, in exchange Larry Nance Junior,
Dison Daniels in two first round selections, and apparently a
(01:07):
bucket of balls as well. So there's a lot there.
But Dejontay Murray is out, and yeah, Chris and Sean.
They were thinking, well do they rebuild, are they going
to stay with Murray or are they going to try
to go a new And it looks like there's a
new path and a new culture being set in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, Atlanta definitely is going in a different direction.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
It'll be interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I assume they'll keep Trey, but his name's been out
there as well.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
If you got to be going upstairs like I want
out too, right, I don't want to be a part
of this.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I mean he part of an issue.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I mean I have an issue with with stars demanding
trades when they're part of the issue.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
His lack of defense is what you were firing.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Lack of defense.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I just think he needs and I don't want to
just rip the Atlanta organize, but I think Trey Young
needs to be in a really strong organization that's gonna
teach him how to play winning basketball. He's immensely talented, right,
He's always up near the top of the league and
(02:15):
assist and he scores darn near thirty points a game,
So his talent is great, but he's inefficient, highly inefficient.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Obviously doesn't defend.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
He's not gonna be a great defender ever, but he
can be a smart defender. He can be right in
the right place at the right time. I would love
him in San Antonio. Now I know they got Stefine Castle,
so he may end up being their point guard of
the future.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
And I like him a lot too.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
But I think Trey in a place like San Antonio,
where they would teach him how to play the right way,
he would have a superstar who's better than him in Wimby.
I think that would be great. And I'm not down
on Trey. Look, he obviously led a team to the
Eastern Conference finals, and he is clutch. I know he's
had some bad playoff moments, but he's had some great
(03:02):
ones and he went and conquered Madison Square Garden. So
he's clutched, and he's incredibly talented, But I just I
want to see him in a different situation. So I
guess if he asks for a trade, I wouldn't rip him.
But I just think he's He's a part of the
issue too.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Chris.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I love the move for the Pelicans because and Brandon
Ingram have proven that they can play off the ball
and get their shots. So to bring a point guard
in with size that can score, has proven to be
a good distributed to the ball, gives a more length
on defense. If Zion can stay healthy, you know what
what is Valentos.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Val is a free agent, so and the thought is
he might be gone, but we'll see.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I like Valentin.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I like that they need some size. I feel you.
I'm a I am a fan of the Jontay Murray.
I love CJ.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Column.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Ingram is a solid shooter from three, not great, but
you know he and Zion, I mean they do both
like the ball. Uh if this offseason, if I'm the
Pelicans and I'm playing on keeping Brandon or even if
I'm I mean not, I may end up having to
keep him anyway. I am just having him work on
(04:24):
his shot because he's had a few seasons where he
shot thirty nine percent from three, so it's there.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
But I need him to be an even better shooter because.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Here's the one question mark I now have about the Pelicans.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Where's the shooting. CJ is a really good shooter.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
McCollums, I mean Ingram Okay, Like I said, he's got
to improve that. Zion isn't a three point thread at all.
Dejonte was better, I think last year from three. But
he's he's like thirty four thirty five percent for his career.
So and then whoever that right now, they don't really
(05:06):
have a center. I mean if they went small, Herb
Jones is a great defender. Trey Murphy is a great
three point shooter, but I don't know if you want
to start him.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And so that's my only thing.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think they need a little more shooting, but athleticism,
you know, I like it's it's not the final step,
but I think it could is a step in the
right direction.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
I thought they never should have got rid of Jackson Hayes.
I loved his development, you know, potential. Secondly, Brandon Ingram's
a thirty six percent career three point shooter. My issue
with Ingram is availability. I mean, it's rookie. You played
seventy nine games since then, he's never played more than
sixty four. Like he's just a guy that that little knicks.
Maybe he hasn't Like when you look at Jannis's body
(05:56):
when as a rookie and what he's become, then you
look at Brandon Ingram's by as a rookie. Why isn't
he closer to looking like Yannis, like adding that that
that good muscle becoming a little stronger, more durable.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, some of that might have just been that Yannis
was not as full grown as ingram At at nineteen,
you know what I mean, Like Yannis hadn't filled out,
and obviously ingram was thin. He's still thin, but he
just may not be that type of build. But I
hear you, I mean you could see a little more development.
I like him, but like I said, he likes to
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go to the rack, Zion likes to go to the rack.
Dejonte likes to go to the rack. No, I like addinging,
but they gonna need some shooting. You think they do
not have enough shooting? You think they do to be
like a contender out West, they that's to me, that's
what they need.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Who out West has great shooting across the board. I
mean Dallas has Lucas.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Shooting, no, but but as a team shooting it pretty well.
I mean, and Kyrie is a lot and then you
got the guys that can hit it from the corner.
The corner three was a big part of the Dallas offense.
So you know, okay, see.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
McCollum shot three last year.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Well, Trey is off the bench, though, are you gonna
start him and you're starting lineup Ingram doesn't He's okay,
but Zion is not a three point threat, and so
like I said that to me, that's where they need
to improve. But I like Murray a lot. I think
it's a step in the right direction. But they still
(07:40):
gonna They're gonna need some more shooting. It's just today.
I mean, we just saw the team that won the
championship shot the most threes in the league.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
By the way, they did draft the big center from
Baylor in the draft, me se Eves mecI.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
So yeah, maybe.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Looking at as a big okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
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Speaker 1 (08:52):
Let's turn to what has been the story of the
past couple of days at least, and that is Brianie
James getting drafted by the Lakers with the fifty fifty
fifth pick yesterday and now Lebron James, who is the
all time leading scorer in NBA history, viewed by many
(09:14):
as the second best player ever.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Some view him as the greatest player ever.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I've long said, Sean that like my generation controls the
discussion right now, and we for the most part, my
generation says it's Michael Jordan. Now the generation before me
does not necessarily say it's Jordan. That most of them
(09:42):
say they don't know. I think most just kind of
are like, well, it is no goat, you know. I mean,
I'm talking about hearing Oscar Robertson and great legends of
the past. They kind of just say, well, there is
no greatest. Everybody's been great, you know, the superstars and
this and that, but some do say Kareem. And I
(10:03):
just feel like, and I've said this for a long time,
it's possible. I used to think it was very like
almost a done deal, and then the last dance really
swayed a lot of the young people to Jordan's side.
But you know, the things Lebron is done lately, by
becoming the all time leading scorer, by playing so well
(10:27):
into his thirty ninth year and probably fortieth year, I
think has swayed some people, at least the young people
to his side. So I do feel like it's very
possible when the rob G's of the world, his people,
his age, the twenty somethings, the thirty somethings, the teenagers.
Right now, when they're controlling the narrative, they made very well.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Lebron James may.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Be viewed widely as the goat, because right now you
would say Jordan is why viewed is the goat. But
when they're controlling the narrative, I think it could be Lebron.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
You disagree, I don't think it's a it's fair to
give the gen Z's like that pass because there's enough
visual evidence of Jordan too if you're objective when you're
comparing the two to say he's different. Lebron's good, really good.
But okay, I've finally seen these Jordan highlights. I watched
(11:28):
a couple, but he's different. Now if you want to
go past Jordan, it's not as much film available on
Kareem and Oscar Robertson and you know, trying to see
how good the Bill Russell Celtics were. So I get
maybe not being to have that correlation, but I don't
give himbody that pass like Lebron's a ball.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Where are you at on that rob.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
On?
Speaker 8 (11:47):
The the fact that I.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Do you have Jordan or I mean Lebron second to Jordan?
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
So yeah about like your generation and younger? Do you
think what I said when they're controlling the narrative, like
instead of my generation, the nick right aged people are
younger and all that that Lebron will be viewed as
the goat the way Jordan is right now kind of
almost universally absolutely.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
And is because we're already seeing it take place in
the NBA and in college because when they ask these guys,
who's the best player, Who's the goat? Oh, it's Lebron James.
Some guys are even saying Paul George. You know, some
guys just don't. They're saying they're saying coch right, because
that's who they grew up watching, That's who they idolized.
So the way that people use the goat conversation now,
it's not necessarily oh, this is actually the greatest player.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
It's this is who I believe is this is my goal?
Speaker 9 (12:38):
Yeah, but that's that's it, and that's where that's where
the conversation is going.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
But that that I mean when people say that they
need to be silent. Yeah it's a copy no and
be like, look that's your that's cool that that's your
favorite player, but we're not talking about your favorite player.
The question on the table is who is the greatest
play And it ain't Paul George. Okay, you have him
(13:04):
as your paper player, but you better pick somebody else
for the goat.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Who is it?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
But the point we wanted to get to Sean is
and Lebron tweeted out a great picture of him and
Brianni when Briannie was I don't know how old maybe
five six years old, if not younger, and Lebron was
playing with the Cavaliers his.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
First it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, it was awesome, the corn Rows and all that,
and Lebron tweeted out or put on Instagram the word legacy.
And I want to ask you when what's because we
know Lebron's.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Legacy is gonna be multifaceted.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But what do you think will be the first thing
that comes to mind when people think of Lebron James
twenty twenty five year years from now, like and I'll
give you some examples.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I just think people think, Honestly, I feel like people
think got like. I really think that's kind of the
first thing that comes to mind, absolutely, Michael Jordan's goat.
I think doctor j it's, you know, kind of brought
the street game and all the high flying moves and
everything to the NBA.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I think it's standing up courageously and unashamedly for black
people and his views in general, like Vietnam, even though
as great as he was in the ring, I think
though that might be the first thing people think of.
Roger you who were something we were talking about this
early I'm trying to think of some of the other people.
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We were talking.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Bill Russell and the eleven champions.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Bill Russell, you think eleven rings, Will Chamberlain, you kind of.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I think the first thing might be for Will Chamberlain,
one hundred points in the game or average fifty, his assault,
just the outlandish records he put up that will never
be touched again. But with Lebron, there's a lot to
choose from, and it might be it could even be
something off the court. But what do you think will
(15:16):
be like that first thing that comes to your mind
when you hear the name Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I think it's gonna be Mogul. I think it's gonna
be Mogul. I think Lebron is the Jay Z of sports.
Like you can make an argument that Jay was the
dopest rapper alive in the late nineties early two thousands,
but you could also argue that there was some other gifted,
you know, lyricists that people thought were better. What you
can't argue is that no one is transitioning from entertainment
(15:44):
to business as well as Jay Z has, and I
see that same pathway for Lebron. I think the one
platform where he's gonna be standing hired than Michael Jordan
when this is all said and done, I think Jordan's
going to be more successu full as an executive and
eventually an owner.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
I mean Lebron.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I think Lebron is going to be more successful than
mj post career and when it comes to the game
of basketball and success as the leader of an organization.
And I think that ultimately, as time continues to to
to move further and further away from his last shot,
that's that's where, in my opinion, he could potentially catch MJ.
(16:27):
If if Vegas gets an NBA team and le Bron's
part of the ownership group or he's a GM and
and two three years after the interception of the team,
they're playing for a Western Eastern Conference finals and Lebron
sitting there looking brilliant, looking like Jerry Westish or something.
You know, I think that that could elevate him in
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some ways, because that's the one thing that Jordan's really
never been able to do, is get the Hornets consistently competitive.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, and look, Lebron has done more than Michael Jordan
off the court. You know a lot of people wanted
Jordan to speak up more about racial issues and things
like that, and he didn't. He's done a lot since
he's been you know, retired, I mean, just becoming an
African American owner of a major, you know, major sports
league team is progress, moving the race forward, and it's impressive.
(17:22):
He built the medical facility obviously in North Carolina, so
he's done some things, but he waited until he was
done playing. Lebron has done tremendous things and been outspoken
while he's playing, so I think that obviously he's has
that on Jordan. I don't think any of this affects
the Goat conversation. But I think you make a great point.
(17:47):
It might be mogul because I think within that mogul
definition of Lebron James comes.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
He's done movies, he's starting the school albums, He's got
a school.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I don't even think the movies and albums are because
his movies haven't been like tremendous they like Jordan's you know,
Space Jam was better than Lebron's Space.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
I mean, I don't know that the movies I.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Think, and I'm talking on the production side, I was
gonna say.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Like them doing him putting Maverick, Carter and Rich Paul
in positions to become moguls in their own right.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
And they've elevated to best in the business in their
space right.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And I think him that will is part of his legacy.
I think the player empowerment that he sparked can go
into the mogul department, and then even the school can
go into the mogul department. Like you said, if he
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becomes an owner of a team and and so on
and so forth, so that could be it.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
I mean, you think got Tata and Emery, Lebron's got
Maverick and Rich.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
It matches well jay Z.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I mean him being like remember early in Lebron's career,
he was a protege of jay Zon, so he definitely
learned a lot from jay Z. And I think that's
I think that's a good comparison. And I think I
think post career, Lebron's gonna do amazing things.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
But I also wonder.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
If one of the first things could be he played
with his son, Like he was the first basketball player
ever to play with his son. And some people might think,
come on, all he's done that this is gonna be
But this is so unique and I don't know if
it will depend on Briani becoming a really good player
(19:51):
or what, or maybe I'm wrong, but if that could
be the because that is something he's done, that gonna
when is that for done?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
They're gonna have some moments like just think about this
for a second. Make yourself a director of a feature
film and it's an autobiography and you're doing the lebron
James story. What better way to culminate all of this
extended greatness than to be able to write into the
script some game. It might be the mid season championship
(20:25):
like they won this past season, and Briannie and Broun
play a prominent role and you get the picture of
them in three years from now. Hey, listen, Brianni's gonna.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
G you're a little more optimistic.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Bronnie is going to get into some games this year.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, he's gonna.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I mean, and I'm not I like Brinnie, and I
think he's going to be a serviceable NBA.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Player at some point.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
But I don't think he's playing a significant role this season.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I don't think I think he's gonna get him the.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Blowouts when they're blowing, the Lakers are blowing somebody out.
That's where he and Lebron throws an alley to Lebron
James in an NBA regular season game this season for decades, Right, No,
something like that could happen.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Put yourself around it could be.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Right, what better ending if we're if we're doing his autobiography,
like if we're doing a movie based on Lebron's life,
what better potential ending than him and his son on
the court the same time n B a real game.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
It's awesome. That's the time. There's no doubt. But he's
got so many moments.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
That's the big joker, no matter what, right, no matter
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
That that might be the thing we think of first.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I'm with Mike, That's what I'm saying, Like Jordan might
be the first thing we think of him.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
He was the first player to play with his son. Absolutely,
and that that's like having a little joker.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
So if he's and by that, no matter who he's
sitting at the table with outside of Jordan, he's got
the little joker. I don't care if it's Magic, if
it's Bird, if it's Shock, any of them he pulls.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
He's a different arguments though, right, and the only reason
I I talk go I talked is basketball go.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I'm talking on the court. I'm not talking about all
the all the all.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
I'm talking on the court to Christal, We're talking to
fellas at the picnic, the NBA Basketball Top one hundred Picnic.
He can say I won as many championships almost everybody here.
I was so good. I played long enough to play
with my son. The only the only joker that's bigger
than his is Michael Coreach in his pocket and pull
out the six rings.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
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Speaker 4 (22:48):
Let's go to the NFL, your specialty.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I mean, you obviously know all the sports, but you
play quarterback in the NFL. As you said earlier, you
still work with some quarterbacks, and so Tua tongue of
viola and I probably I still always struggle with his name.
But very nice season he had with the Miami Dolphins
his fourth year.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
He was healthy all.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Year, and he's looking to get paid, and the reports
are that the Dolphins do not want to pay him
market value, which is around fifty three to fifty five million.
Jared Goff got fifty three million. Recently, Trevor Lawrence, who
hasn't done as much as Tua, got fifty five million.
(23:34):
And I don't know what the Dolphins are offering, but
let's say it's between forty five and fifty but it's
below market value.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
So what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I have said, Sean, I'm on the record, if I
were the Dolphins, I would not be ready to give
to a huge contract because he's only been healthy for
one out of his four seasons, and while he has
put up numbers, he has been bad against winning teams.
(24:05):
This year past year was one in six against playoff teams,
and his numbers were not good as great as they
were against the Tomato Cans. That's how bad they were
against the playoff teams. And then he struggles in cold weather,
and I mean just chili, I don't mean freezing, I
mean a brisk breeze, and brother struggling forty five degrees
(24:27):
and below, he's zero to six. So I got questions,
and so I want to see him get it done
this year. I'm not saying we have to win the
Super Bowl, but I want to see him play well
against the playoff teams and play well in cold weather
before I give him this huge.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Contract. If I'm the Dolphins, what are your thoughts.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Here's what's interesting, Chris, and it got him fired. But
Brian Flores set this what four years ago.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yes, we can't win a Chance Championship with two as
our starting quarterback.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
And the organization was all up in arms.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
They couldn't believe that their head coach didn't have the
back of the quarterback that they selected.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
But he told them this years ago.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Now what's interesting is this is the first team to
buck the trend because what's happened in the NFL is
they stopped playing the player and started paying the position
when it came to quarterback. So whoever the next quarterback
was up, he got slightly more than the guy in
front of him. You can't tell me that Trevor Lawrence
is better than Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
But the sequencing said his.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Agent had to get a win, So whether it was
guaranteed money or nearly average or a total amount of
conversation had to be in the ballpark. The Dolphins are
saying Hey, man, hell with that? Who is not those guys?
He doesn't have that kind of transcendent talent. We don't
think we can win games in spite of not surrounding
(25:57):
him with a great group of support and players. And
because of that, we got to say some cap space.
So I want to see if this is going to
become a trend, because the complete opposite happened to running back.
Instead of paying the player, they started saying we're not
gonna pay the position, no matter who the running back was.
Now it'll be challenging on guy McCaffrey comes up. Yeah,
(26:18):
but he was before the trend started.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
But I mean he just got extended. Yeah, good money.
So I agree with the Dolphins.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
I'm not gonna be pitching holding to giving that percentage
of my cap to a guy that I think is transcended.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I was gonna, okay, so you so you pretty much
agree with my with my take on tour. So to me,
he has a huge decision to make because I think
he's got he.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Can do one of two things.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
He can If let's say they're offering in between forty
five and fifty, it might be around forty five. That's
what Kirk cousins got, but let's say it's somewhere between
forty five and fifty a year. If he look, he
can be upset all he wants, and I get it.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
You know, in our business we have contracts. We negotiate too,
all right.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So I get you feeling you should get more money
than their offering, and that's something that you have to
deal with, one way or the other. But if they're
offering him that much money, he could take it.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
And then look at it and say, I'm in that.
I have great weapons, great weapons.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Right both in the backfield and on the outside the
wide receivers. I've got a very good offensive coach. Coach
in general, I think McDaniel's good. I'm in a great location.
It is warm here, and I've got the security cause looking.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
In the mirror, I have been injured and I am smaller.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So you can either say, all right, look at all
those things and take that money that's below market value,
or you can say, I'm gonna go out, stay.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Healthy, which obviously isn't always in your control.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
But stay healthy, play great, and kind of bet on myself.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
The challenge with that, Sean, is that even if you
could go.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Out and have a phenomenal season and maybe if you
do play that well, they wouldn't do this, but.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
They could franchise you.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Like, so it's not a guarantee that even if you
win the MVP Award that they're going to pay you
market value.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
So what do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Like, if you're into a shoes, I gotta be honest,
that first option, as angry as you might be, doesn't
look bad.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Listen, if I was managing tour, I would say, we're
gonna go boas one of those Mercedes sprinter vans, and
we're gonna park it in front of the Dolphins facility
and we're gonna overnight until we sign this deal. You're
not tall, you're not athletic, you don't have a big
time arm. You live in Miami, in the state of
Florida where there's no state tax. You have Jade Waddle
(29:08):
and Tyreek Hill as your wide receivers. You got Devin
a chain Raheem Moster at running back. You've got an
offensive minded coach that's cool as a fan. And is
it Mike mc daniel daniel? Yeah, I mean, come on,
what's the difference. Come on, Chris for a god, that
really doesn't have any elite trait. Forty million a year, man, Look,
you won.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
You be it, and I don't even think it's that low.
I gotta believe I'm.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Just throwing that number out there. I mean, come on, man,
who cares what those other guys got? You far surpassed
and superseded your talent level. But we're not sund like
this is Josh Allen. Right, No, I mean, come on,
tell me what elite trait does two have?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Yeah, he's sure. He's not athletic. You can have a
big time arm.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
And he's injury pro. I mean now he has been.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I don't know if he fully is, but yes, going forward,
he'll stay healthy.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
But this is kind of one of those things where
you have to be strong handed with your agent because
your agent has an obligation in the market he's in, right,
it looks bad on him if these other guys are
getting this deal and he allows you.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
To settle for this one.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah, and look, I'm.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Taking the I'm taking what's on the table, just because
I've got to be honest with myself about who and
what I am.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
If i'm too and look.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
The best quarterback in the league, Patrick Mahomes Now his
deal is strange because they keep you know, they can
keep changing it, right, But he makes about forty five
million a year. Now, I think he'll end up getting more,
you know what I mean, as they shift money around
and make sure he gets paid. But he's getting forty
(30:47):
five million a year. This I'm looking at this. Mahomes
would earn an average forty five million per season until
twenty thirty one.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Now that's when it's kind of yeah, I mean, so
he'll get more. But I don't know. I think you
make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
And I get to a win in the bag, the
full bag, because this is a bag in itself, that's
for sure. I get where the Dolphins are at. You
and I are in lockstep on that. But he does
what if some bad team is woodling to pay him? Yeah,
and then you go to a situation where you don't
(31:27):
have elite receivers. They're expecting you to carry them to
contender status and you fizzle badly.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
And you do it for what maybe the same amount
of money depending on where that team is.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Because you're right one of that the taxes, you.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Go to one of these states with that eleven twelve
thirteen percent state tax and the money ends up being
what you would have gotten in Miami. This is how
I would play it if I was too, And I
don't think a lot of current athletes look at it
like this. How much money is enough money? I mean,
come on, if you get one hundred and sixty million
on this deal instead of two, I mean, come on, man,
in Miami, everything's already paid for. What I would be
(32:05):
trying to do if I was two of I would
be making sure that me and mister Ross were tight
and I would be whispering. And you know, when I finished,
I'd love to be assistant GM and I'd be already
working on my transition. I'll take some team friendly deals
to be able to stay around the game and be
in a position of power when I finish.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Like think long term.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Look at the macro approach, not the Michael because he's
not that talented Chris. If it wasn't for McDaniel kind
of resurrecting his career and them going out and getting
Tyreek Hill, two of them might even be a starting
quarterback right now.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
I will give him this.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
He has one. Like regular season again, Yeah, everybody wanted Bama. No,
I'm talking about in Miami. When you right, I'm not
saying he's lit the world on fire wins, but even
when he was his first three years, when he was
getting injured, he still was winning games out of level
(33:00):
they didn't win at when he was injured or when
it was another quarterback in there line.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
And I'm not saying he's elite. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
That's why I'd be hesitant to pay him. But I look,
I've told Rob this many times. There was a time
years ago when I was at ESPN and I got
offered more money to go elsewhere, and I did not take.
I stayed at ESPN. I liked the situation I was
in and I was happy. I was you know, everything
(33:29):
was great. Obviously you're getting a lot of exposure ESPN.
And I was like, why would I go somewhere else,
even if it's a little more money, if I'm not
gonna enjoy what I'm doing as much as what I'm
doing now.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
And so I'm with you, you're right.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
And I remember when Lebron was going to Miami from Cleveland,
and initially he was willing to take less than the max.
They ended up doing a sign and trades, so he
got the max. But when people around Lebron told me,
they said to me, look, there's nothing you can do.
And these were the numbers at that time. There's nothing
(34:09):
you can do with nineteen million dollars a year that
you can't do with sixteen million dollars, right, and that
is the truth. And then when you throw in the
state tax, you're right now, I don't know what they're offering,
but I can't imagine it's below forty five million a year.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
If you play it the way that you were saying,
and better on yourself, you're at the mercy of whoever
decides that you're that guy. You don't get to pick
and choose. He's not like Aaron Rodgers, who can kind
of go to green bands, say I only want to
go to these two spots, like on the free agent market.
(34:48):
I mean, I don't know how valuable to it is.
I think he would be. I mean, I'm just gonna
say this, sometimes you gotta be honest with yourself about
who and what you are and know that if you
get a forty plus million of your bag, you overachieve
based on the natural gifts God gave you.
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