July 2, 2024 • 37 mins
Chris and Rob debate whether JJ Redick deserves criticism for publicly declaring that Bronny James ‘earned’ the opportunity to get drafted by the Los Angeles Lakers, tell us if the Denver Nuggets are making a mistake by not pushing all-in financially while they still have Nikola Jokic in his prime and explain why this latest snafu with teammate Malik Hooker is just the latest example as to why Micah Parsons should not host an in-season podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple with
Chris Brusso and Ron Harker.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
So Ralph Harker, who you're trashing?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
The Los Angeles Lakers they gave let me see, they
gave a second round pick a two year guaranteed contract.
You can't go to the Gen League? Is that one
normally happens the second round picks? Or is this special?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Did it? Don't bet you by the nakeds. They gonna
take care of whatever they got to. Let's go.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You're on the roster, baby, Baby, and the roster. And
he was introduced today along with Dalton Connett, the number
seventeen pick out of Tennessee, and Rob Polinka and obviously
the new coach, JJ Reddick were there to introduce him,
and Lebron James and Savannah James. His parents were there
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as well. They weren't on the stage at least not
that I saw. But here's what JJ Reddick said Rob
about Bronnie.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Rob and I did not give Bronnie anything. Bronnie has
earned this, Bronnie, he talks about his hard work. Bronnie
has earned this through hard work. And for us prioritizing
player development, we view Bronnie as like case study one
because his base level of feel, athleticism, point of attack, defender, shooting, passing,
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there's a lot to like about his game, and as
we sort of build out our player development program holistically,
he's going to have a great opportunity to become I'm
an excellent NBA player.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
All right, Ron Parker, I guess we may know your
thoughts from your trash talk.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But what do you think he said?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, that's nice, And I don't believe one thing that
came out of JJ Reddick's mouth.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Here's the bad part.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
While you're trying to justify the Bronny pick, and you
can do whatever you want, you're the coach that's the team.
Right while you're trying to do that, Chris, what JJ
Reddick doesn't understand is that everybody's not on the payroll
at the Lakers, and they can look at this independently
and look at how this is played out, and they
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could say to yourself, the more JJ Reddick talks, the
less I respect what he has to say because he
thinks that people are dumb. You could say, we wanted Brownie,
we whatever, But to act as if Lebron had nothing
to do with this, and this was just on Broun
these four points at USC and they saw that he
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was so different from anybody else.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
If he was, why didn't you take him with the
first round pick?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
If he was that special when you saw something so
unique about him and all that he's put in because
he didn't play that well enough to justify that. So
you can do that, you can make Brownie feel good,
tell everybody whatever, sell him a fish story Chris and
how big it was, but you lose some respect.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
There's a lot of basketball people.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Out there that know the game and aren't gonna look
at JJ Reddick the same as far as selling people
a narrative or acting as if people who know and
watch basketball don't know what they're talking about, or or
he sees something that nobody else sees.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
That's all rib here.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Here's look we all know.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That Ronnie James. I mean, it's hard to imagine him
getting drafted by the Lakers if his dad wasn't Lebron period, Chris.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
It's it's just the fact.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Now, like I said yesterday, Bronnie as a high school
player was ranked nineteenth in his class, and that is
on par four player that could one day get drafted
and make it into the NBA. He had the cardiac arrest,
which obviously set him back, and so last year, you know,
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he wasn't at his best. He lost critical time in
developing his game and clearly.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Was not at his best.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
He played, you know, he did fine, played fairly well
at the Chicago pre draft camp, and I think he,
you know, is solid enough where you know you can
draft him. But we all know that his dad being Lebron.
It just had a it was it had a lot
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to do with it. Now here's the thing I'll say
to you, though, what do you expect JJ Reddick to say.
I mean, I'll be honest, if JJ Reddick just went
up there, and obviously he wouldn't be rude about it,
but if he said something to the effect of, you know, well, hey, Brian,
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you know, like Briannie said thank you for all that
they've given me.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
You know, he used the word given to me the Lakers,
And if.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Reddick said, yeah, look you got a shot.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
You know, this is your chance, like you know, almost
like you go out there and do it. I just
think he said what you're supposed to say, and really
what you have to say. I mean, we all can
see the situation, and I think it's fine, and Brinie'll
get his chance and we'll see if he capitalizes on it.
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I don't think JJ's trying to fool anybody. I think
what he's trying to do is to give Brian he
confidence and let him know, look, we believe in you
and we want to see you succeed. So don't come
in here with the attitude of hey many they you know,
they really didn't want me.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
It's just because of my dad.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Bronnie's gotta go in there with confidence, and I think
that's already's doing. I don't think he is under the
impression that he's fooling anybody or anything. That's what a
coach is supposed to say. He's not supposed to rip
him and say because.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
You could do that stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Chris to his face, talk, have a conversation and say,
you know what, the numbers don't suggest that that Bronnie
James should have been picked or drafted or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
But we saw some stuff in him.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
We conferred, We talked with his dad, We talked about
how he worked out. We were a little closer to
the situation because we got to see him, or his
dad got to see him, or our scouts got to
see him a little in a little different light than
most people other than just numbers.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And this is a shot in the dark. We're gonna
give him a shot and see what happened. A shot
in the dark. You think that would have win? No,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I'm just saying that I could buy that more than
this whole notion Chris that lebron had nothing to do
with it.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I'm just saying, when you when you.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Put that and pedal that out, people are going to
look at you a little sideways and be like, I
get it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
The coaches do this all the time, and a day
you can't. You can't do this.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I mean no, I'm just any second round draft pick,
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Them run most of the time. Chance most of them
won't even make the team.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Most of the time there's no press conference, and then
there's no to guarantee what presscott.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You know, they don't contract junior guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Kaway the press conference, you will have your draft picks there,
and the first rounder is the one that's guaranteed to
be on the roster and the second rounder. A lot
of times they'll make it, but their future is uncertain,
uh going forward. But yeah, the two year deal is
certainly out of the ordinary for a second round pick.
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But I just think that even what you said before
you said shot in the dark, because that would certainly
not have gone overwhell. But before you the stuff you
said before that, you probably would have had an issue
with that too.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
If he said if he said we saw something.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
No, I'm a lot of skeptics will be like, yeah,
what you see twenty six percent three point shooting?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, I'm just saying, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Like there, I don't know what he could have said
other than what he did say. Look, the fact is, Brian,
he's on the team now. Fact is he's got.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Lebron James's jeans.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Fact is, he has been a very good player at
his level, you know, through high school and he had
a severe.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Setback that we all can acknowledge.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
And the most second round picks don't have any significant
NBA career to speak of. And so they're giving him
a shot, and he's gonna get a better shot than
most because, like you said, he.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Just got the TI as long as Lebron got a few.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Year deal, right.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
But and they're gonna work with him. And see, I think.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
They feel like whoever they picked the fifty fifth, chances
are they weren't gonna, you know, be a significant factor
on the team anyway.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
So you know, they definitely, I mean, we all know
the deal, and I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Think so far.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
I don't think he went so far rob that it's like,
oh my god.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Now if he had been up there gushing like you know,
we see Brianie. You know, look, we need some shooting,
you know, our perimeter defense. And he wouldn't mention the names,
but you know D'Angelo Russell and it struggles defensively. We
need some more defense on the ball at the point
of attack.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Then it would have been like hold no, like.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Really, but he just said, you know, he's earned what
he's got, and he's earned he has worked hard.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
He is not a complete you know, shot in the dark.
And so you know, a lot of kids work hard.
I mean, I get that.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
I'm out.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I'm not taking that away from him. Christ there's a
lot of kid doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
That's just I would hope so that he's not half
stepping it, you know what i mean. Like, the least
you could do is work hard, all right, to be
able to play ball for a living. And being that
there's only four hundred jobs, it's a limited you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And there's a.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Three hundred and thirty million people in the United States,
thirty million black people who would love an opportunity to
play in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So I'm assuming we got another one.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
I'm an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Why hating, I'm hating.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I'll tell you what, Rob And look Briannie. They obviously
they got him viewed. They're viewing him as somewhat of
a combo guard, right. I mean, I've watched Briannie to
some degree, he does have the smarts, maybe not to
the degree of his dad, but he clearly has high
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basketball IQ when you watch.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
From what Chris, give me an example.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
The game, man.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I mean, like, if you watch him just his field
for the game, knowing when to make passes, not forcing
the issue.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
I mean, some people think he needs to force it more.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I think he's got to. I remember watching him.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
As a freshman in high school on one of their
national televised games, and he stood out in that he
was not rushed. Nothing he did was rushed. He made
smart decisions, he was in the right place defensively, like
those are the types of things. And look, he's obviously
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not Kyrie Irving. But I remember seeing Kyrie in high
school at an All American game in New York, and
they had all the big names in the country with that.
Austin Rivers was there, who was more highly touted than Kyrie.
And I was talking to Kyrie's dad on the phone
because you know, they're in the same area we lived
in we live in Jersey, and I was telling him, Man, Kyrie,
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clearly he is standing out amongst all these guys. He's
in control, he's controlling tempo. Everybody else is rushed, he's not.
So just things like that that you see. I just
wonder why not make him a point guard. I mean,
he's a small two and unless you're freakishly athletic like
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Allen iverson type. It's more of a challenge there now
unless he became a knockdown shooter. But I you know
he's smart. I would want to work at that if
I was the Lakers with him.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
But we'll see.
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Speaker 4 (13:16):
I wonder Rob if we might get a call or
two from Denver. Where some of the Nuggets fans may
want to trash the Nuggets because for the second straight
year or off season, they have lost some key players.
Last year after winning the championship, Bruce Brown, Jeff Green
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hurts their depth and they missed those guys this year,
no question about it. This year now, Reggie Jackson traded,
so they did get something back for him. A young
player will see if he can help him out. But
also in addition to losing Reggie Jackson, who was a
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key member of their rotation, they lost Kentavious Carwell Pope,
who was a starter for them. Rob helped them win
the championship and helped the Lakers win the championship a
few years ago. I know you only averaged ten points
a game, but he's a solid defender.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
He's a you know, timely three point shoot.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
He's a good three point shooter period, but he has
hit some timely threes for them, and so they Rob.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Here's how I look at the Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You've got a generational player, and obviously that's Nicola Jokic.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
When you have that rhyme, I think you go for it.
I think you go for it.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
And yes, you gotta spend a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
And today's you know rules with the new second apron
and the first apron and the taxes you have to
pay if you spend too much. They are what they are.
Y'all put them in. The owners put those rules in,
not the players. The players ultimately agreed to it. But Rob,
you know how these these collective party agreements go, the
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players generally lose. This was something the owners wanted to
protect them from themselves as far as spending more money
than they wanted to. And so now when you have
a top team and you oftentimes have to lose some
critical members, they may never get a player like Nicola Jokic.
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They've never had one before, as great as Carmelo Anthony
was and keiky Vandaway and Alex English, they've never had
a Yokish and Rob, I don't think and I don't
know what they're thinking is but it feels like when
you look at it from the outside, because they ever
replaced these guys, it feels like they're like, hey, we
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got a great We've had a really good franchise and
they have never won anything before it two years ago,
but had a very good franchise, generally successful in terms
of being competitive. Fan base is great, and now Rob
it's like they got their ring, and in some ways
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it seems to me like they're satisfied. I know, Michael
Malone is it. I know Jokicchen the players aren't. But
they can't keep losing guys. Golden State went for it
when they had Steph, or they've had Stephan and they
been trying to win it. And Boston's going for it.
They got they've got a window. Now they already got one.
I think the Nuggets should be going for it. I'd
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be a little I'd be disappointed if I was a
Nuggets fan.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I mean, you don't want to lose people. But I
understand where the Nuggets are. You talked about it yesterday, Chris.
These teams don't make money. They I mean they make
some manually. There's a few like last year, I think
about three lost money.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
So you made swimming in money or you're you know
what I mean. It's a cash cow. Looks like I play.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
On average, they might make I'm guessing, just looking at
the numbers earlier, about seventy.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Million a year on average.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
The high end maybe one twenty one thirty, but low
in some teams are losing money.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
If you're denver, you just you can't keep everybody you know,
like like you have you have to decide who you
want to pay right and who you're gonna keep.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Chris, you can't do it.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
This is not like endless shrimp and you could just
decide that I'm gonna keep eating shrimp and I don't
care what the cost is.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
There's a cost at some point that comes with it.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Now, the shame of it, Chris, would be that that
the Joker didn't win and you were shedding people.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Like like like once you win, and I'm not saying that, Okay,
that's it and let's roll up the tents and it's
all over. But it's way easier. No one's saying. No
one's expecting. Even as a as a fan of a team,
most people want their team to win. Can you win
once in my lifetime? Can I be? Can I go
to a parade?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Chris?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I'm not saying you don't want a second one or there,
but so many people don't even win one.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Ask Nick fans who grew up for the last forty.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Years, right fifty fifty years, could they ask him, what
would you take one.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Yeah, I hear you, but I'll just win that one
if your guy is in his prime, you know what
I mean like that, but to keep winning.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
You do want to keep winning, but not at all costs.
Not for some franchises. I don't know the Denver Nuggets numbers, Chris,
but it ain't a big city, and and and their
owners probably saying, dude, we can't, we can't go like
the like the the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Warriors on their apron.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I'm just saying, Chris, they got an enormous amount of
money that they have to pay, right the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, they were playing like three hundred and fifty million
this year and they made them they're the highest value
team in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Right, But Denver can't get in. They're not in that ball.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Tell you last year this season, Denver made this, according
to Forbes, seventy one million dollars.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, I mean it's not a huge amount for not
for the amount of money right.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Above.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, they made money, but yeah, a lot of that
probably is going in taxes. Golden State made seventy nine million,
but you got some taxes to pay.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
So yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Mean, I'm just saying, you're in that apron.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
You do have to pay.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I just I hear you, I hear your business. I
hear your point as a fan. And if it's unlimited budget,
you know you want to oh yeah, just throw money
at it and let's just try to win and let's
use this window. But I'm just saying it is a
lot easier to pull back after you win. Whether it's
right or not, it's because a lot of teams don't win.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Let me ask you this because you know, and there
was obviously free agent movement in the nineties, not near
as much in the eighties, but in the nineties, right,
but the Jordan Bulls, you know, I mean they Horace
Grant was there. They have some players that they interchanged.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
But do you prefer.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Back years ago where teams generally stayed together, or do
you prefer the movement? Because now and this goes for
the NFL as well, but nowadays, you know, you win
a championship, like you remember with the Steelers in the
seventies and the Cowboy, you kept everybody. And obviously free
agency is what the players should have. It's helped the
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players tremendously.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
But as a.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Fan, do you prefer this where guys are moving around
a lot every year because it does on one in
once sense, Rob's it makes it more exciting and teams
that haven't been good have a chance to get good,
you know what I mean. So I'm not saying it's
a bad thing. I definitely don't think free.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Agency is a bad thing.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
It's a great thing, right, But do you prefer as
a fan players being on the move and even your
team having the ability to go get a guy or
that they the team's kind of stayed together so when
you had a champion, maybe they could you know, going
to like nice.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Little I'm gonna say no, Chris, because when we talk
about it all the time, and especially during that era
of the fifties, Remember we talk about it with the
Celtics winning every year and the Yankees going to the
World Series like in those years, Chris, I don't know
if fans are like, oh, this is great. The Yankees
went to the World Series eight out of ten years
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in the fifties, and the Packers won all the time,
and the Montreal Canadians won the Stanley Cup every year,
and the Celtics won all the time, you know, for
those cities, yeah, But I think for the rest of
the league and the rest of the fans around the
country is like, God, can we have a shot?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
You know what I mean? Like not to win all
the time.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And that's why I'm saying, like, if you're Denver, and
I'm not saying that after you won, you want to
throw in the towel and you don't care whether you
want to or lose again. Of course, they wanted to
see their team repeat, and they were hurt that they
got knocked out, but it's a lot easier to understand
once you want if they pulled back without giving the
joker Chris some talent around him, or like they were
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at the cusp, and then they pulled out, you know,
without him winning, then as a fan I would be
I would be.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Man.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Here's my pushback, though, what if the fans said we
got our one and stop going to games?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
They want the fans to keep spending the money, so
I think they if you own an NBA team, your
goal should be to win as much as you can.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Now, I get the Warriors not signing.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Clay this year, and you know some other teams like
we talked about who's we were talking about yesterday? I
can't remember the team but or the Clippers with Paul George.
We're not winning it with Paul George. We're not winning
it with Klay Thompson and Golden State. So yeah, I'm
going to bring our spending down and not pay all
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these taxes for a team that might not even make
the playoffs. But when you have that shot, I mean,
this is what this is what separates pro sports from
some other businesses. It's about winning, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Talking about all we will say sports has a short menu. Yeah, really,
it really is wins a loss. So let me just
give you this a little context, Chris, about the Denver Nuggets.
For the last five years, most Nuggets fans in Denver
had their non national TV games Chris blacked out due
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to TV restrictions. So they had a big problem with
the Altitude Network. So they've had like some issues stuff
like that, you know what I mean, where maybe financially
they don't have the lot that they can really honestly
do it with. I'm saying this is gonna hurt us
down the road. Financially.
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Speaker 3 (24:20):
Rob.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
You know, I think you agree with me. Correct me
if I'm wrong, but I have not.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I felt like Michah Parsons should not have a podcast now.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
I don't want to get in the man's you know
while it.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
See I just said, Martin and looking at you, just
trying to take money out of his body.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
He's working hard, and I'm just saying Martin doesn't have
a job making millions like Michael Parsons does one day.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Though, Martin, keep working hard, young man.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
But anyway, and again, I don't want to stop him
from making money.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
You know, Doug Gottlieb can't work forever. I'm just saying it, right.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
But what I'm saying what I'm saying about Micah is
I I felt like he was too young to have
a podcast on. You know, in the NFL, he's only
played three seasons, he had only played two when he
started it. And most of the guys Lebron James veteran
(25:15):
with rings, Dramond Green veteran with rings, the Kelsey Brothers
veterans with rings. Even guys like Pat Beverly, Paul George,
they're veterans they haven't won, but they're older guys in
the league.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I know, you got jaylen Bruns even he's been around
what six seven years? And Josh Hard. You know, they
have their podcast, the Knicks guys, the roommates. But I
just feel like, you know, get your feet wet, get
maybe win a championship, or at least be a veteran
and mature a little bit before you have your podcast.
(25:51):
And sure enough, Rob the podcast seems to have rubbed
some of his teammates, at least Hooker the safety or
the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Hooker talked about.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
It on Keyshine Johnson's prodcast All Facts, No Breaks, and
I believe Hooker was probably talking for uh several cowboys,
not just himself.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
But here's what he says, the problem with him.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
I thing would be though from Mike, and my vice
would be for Mic it would be, you know, just
make sure we all right, you know, and being where
your feet are because if we're working, you know, the
run games terrible, but you're doing a podcast every week
and you know the run game is terrible, then you know,
what are you really caring about? Are you caring about
the crowd that you know is watching your podcast, you
caring about the success of our team and the Super
(26:37):
Bowl that we're trying to reach.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
All right, rob Ge kind of summer this because this
went back and forth, so summarize to us.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Come to me. You don't have to tell me that.
Why don't you just come to me and tell me that.
You don't have to embarrass me in public? Spot tolf
of it.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
That's it. Michaelh caught win to the comments over the
weekend and he put out a response on Twitter, which deleted, tweeted,
and deleted, which is never a good sign.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
But that doesn't even work, Like right, somebody.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
Got it, and uh, here's what he tweeted, which was deleted.
I just wish you had said this to me, but
instead on some podcast. You got my number, family, and
you my locker mate, so you could have said this
any day. And you do realize I shoot the podcast
on our off day. Why aren't we talking about everyone's
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preparations and focus?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
But it's funny though, how you have a problem with
Micah's saying that rap?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
No, I'm just saying like it's funny though, because he
said he had to find out about on a podcast,
But that's what he does.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Podcast. You know what I mean. That's the funny, don't
you think?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I I I as much as I think, Yeah, it
may probably be a good idea if mikeuld drop the podcast.
I do think he is right on the money. Like, Bro,
we're locker mates. We see each other every single day.
You can say, why don't you come to me and
say something.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
About the podcast?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Like Michael look man a little bro because he said
he's his little Rikers just said stuff about the podcast
on this podcast too, about stuff. I mean, I know,
but my point is if you like lick me and
you if I went on a podcast and just saying something,
you know, because Malik wasn't just ripping Michael, but he
(28:22):
was saying some sensitive stuff. If I said, yeah, I
wish Rod would do this and do that, you know,
instead of this and that, would you be like.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Why'd you come to me? Why did you why you
got to say it on some podcasts? Why don't you
just say it to me? Wouldn't you be like that?
I get that, but but this is a different era.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
We talk about this all the time, Chris, about the
social media, about people putting their business out.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
We've talked about this like like this you're right.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
In the old school, but it didn't seem to be
the way that they the younger people operate because because
you see stuff all the time on so right, like
like like it's airing stuff out instead of just uh
talking to people, Right, it's easier to just put it
out there and whatnot rather than have a conversation with
(29:11):
people because people don't have those skill sets of dealing
with people face to face.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Would you agree with that a little bit? Well, but
I know what you're I know what you're saying, but
I'm just saying, but that's that's that doesn't make I
hear you. That's what they're used to do. But that's
not good for the team or the relationship.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I get it. But but I think I'm sorry, Chris.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
If I'm an owner, no podcasts that have to do
with sports or whatever we're doing.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
You want to do one on baking on your off day?
You want to do one on.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Even if it's a veteran or no podcast, No, because
I don't see the I don't see the bonus in it.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I don't see how it helps you. I just don't.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
I wonder if they could even make that rule, you
could even make sure they.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Can, Chris, you can set up any work rules you want.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
No might lose player.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Because a lot of teams got guys with podcasts.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
They do it. And I will say this new all.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Operations like people work, Chris, you work two jobs. I
work three jobs. You work for jobs, you know, whatever
it is. There are places but they say no, no,
you only work here, and if you don't do that,
you can't work here. Those are the rules when you
come in.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
What I would say is like if Jerry Jones, because
this to me, and you know I've always said this,
Jerry Jones sets the tone because he's running his mouth
all the time. If Jerry Jones Robe came to the
facility this summer and saying, look, guys, I'm tired of
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not winning.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
We're going for it this year. It is football period.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I'm not gonna be talking to the reporters outside the
locker room after every game any games. I'm not gonna
go on my radio show every Tuesday or whatever day
it is of the week to talk about the team.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
I Am going to leave it to the.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Coaches and you guys to talk about the team.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
And Stephen Jones, the GM, he'll do his thing.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
It's all about football.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
So I'm stepping down and I'm setting an example, and
I would like all of you to follow my example.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Any of you that have podcasts stop them. This year.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
It is about football. We're gonna bring a Super Bowl
to Dallas. I think that would be plausible. I think
if Jerry did that, Rob a Micah and maybe any
other guys that might have podcasts, I think they'd.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Be willing to do that.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
But when he's running his mouth all the time unnecessarily,
then I think it's hard. I get that he's the
one that writes the checks, but it's hard to have
guys buy into something like that.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, but but he does. He has ultimate power. You
remember during the during h the when when when the
players wanted to kneel, and he if you nail, you're
not gonna be a count like like, and they didn't,
and nobody kneeling.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Then they all neil.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
But I'm saying, but they didn't kneel at first. Remember
that Chris and he put that out there. You could
have said, he can't tell me.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
What to do.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
They were all afraid to death to kneel during that time.
If you remember, they didn't need to be afraid because
they player. I know, but they didn't do. But they
didn't do it, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Because that's the thing. They have power as players. We
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Over and over that you know what you want to
change stuff in the NFL, Chris, and take it.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Two seconds, right, two seconds.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
If there's a coach who's abusive, that there's some issue, Chris,
two freaking seconds, go ahead. We dare you right, we're
not playing for the we're not playing for you. What
do you think you're gonna donna fight the whole team?
If everybody take a star, that's it. You know, absolutely,
How did they get how did they get Donald Sterling
(33:13):
out of the NBA? Chris two seconds? Donald Sterling been
doing that mess forever. Okay, we're not gonna play the
playoff game?
Speaker 8 (33:22):
What?
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Okay, we heard that. Okay, Donald Sterling, You're done. That's
all it took. Yeah, just the podcast. To me, I'm
just not with it. I just think it's a distraction.
I think it's unnecessary. I think you put the team
in harm's way with people wanting to feel a certain
way because you're talking about other players and just unnecessary stuff.
(33:45):
This the window that you have, Chris, to be a
pro athlete is so small if you're lucky in the NFL,
what is it three and a half years people get
a cup of coffee in a sweet role like, it's
a small amount of time, a cool rear, ending, injury,
All kinds of bad stuff can happen to you, right,
So why not maximize your time with that. That's fine
(34:10):
if it's at the end of your career, Chris, and
you say you so, I want to get into the
media or whatever. I just don't understand why they're hell
bent on doing what they've done.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
I think it's a few things.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I think one, there is money there, although obviously they
make a ton of money playing football. I think tudo
rob guys love the attention, and as much as they
are critical of what we do, they like it. Right,
How many guys get into what we do? I know, like, right,
all these guys who when we're like they hate the media,
(34:43):
and then they just say, I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I hear you in that.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
And you know I've said from the beginning that I
don't think you should have the podcast.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
I agree. I don't know that I make a rule.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I might talk to guys and suggest hey, I don't
think you should do it whatever if I were an
owner or something, but there is no I don't see
any good that comes out of it for the team.
I will don't like there's no right, I mean, Rob,
Let's say if you or I did a separate podcast
(35:16):
from this show on the show, like the whole topic
of the podcast was the show, right that, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
That'd be good cause you're people. It's like my wife
and I laugh.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Sometimes we watch these you know, these reality show we
don't really watch, but something we've seen and they create drama, right,
Because if you gotta create drama because otherwise people aren't
gonna watch, it's not gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And that's Rob. You know this.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
There there is an entertainment aspect of this too, all right,
And so if you have a podcast, there is going
to be a drive in you to make it entertaining
to say something, right, Chris, what are we automatic something interesting?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
What do we talk about it? Get the people into it?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
But we talk about that all the time when we
talk about, uh, what is the football one that they do?
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Hard knocks? Chris?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
When the camera's around, you know, the camera to play
to the camera.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
It's human nature.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
You don't have a normal conversation that you would have
when there's.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
No camera there.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
It's like the show I used to say all the time.
It's not a reality show. The name of the show
was Bridezilla. How do you act, Chris, if you're bride
about to get married? Are you nice to the people?
Do you yell at your your group, your bride'smaids? Do
you know what I'm saying, the name of the show
is Bridezilla. I gotta I gotta act like a bee
in order to be on. I mean, come on, did
(36:48):
I tell you I ever tell you that? You ever
remember that show Preachers of La I think of La.
They wanted you ow to guy and created that Yes.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
Wanted me to me and my family be on.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I was like, first of all, I'm not I'm not
like a pastor. He was like, nah, but you minister,
and blah blah blah, and you know, I was like,
no way. I did talk to my family. You know,
we were all like, no way, because Rob I can't sma, no.
They want First of all, my house is not that
filled with drama. That's what they want, thankfully, But right,
you have to create some madness. I can't have a
(37:22):
great relationship with my daughters, and that that be it.
It's gotta be. They're mad at me. I didn't let
them go out. They're yelling, they're talking behind my back.
Me and my wife have an issue, like that's what
they want. Just a nice household is not going to sell,
all right. And that's the same thing with podcasts, Rob.
(37:44):
There's gotta be some juice. There's gotta be some juice,
and that's the tim take.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
So I do agree with you.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Chris Brusso and Ron Harker.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
So Ralph Harker, who you're trashing?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
The Los Angeles Lakers they gave let me see, they
gave a second round pick a two year guaranteed contract.
You can't go to the Gen League? Is that one
normally happens the second round picks? Or is this special?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Did it? Don't bet you by the nakeds. They gonna
take care of whatever they got to. Let's go.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You're on the roster, baby, Baby, and the roster. And
he was introduced today along with Dalton Connett, the number
seventeen pick out of Tennessee, and Rob Polinka and obviously
the new coach, JJ Reddick were there to introduce him,
and Lebron James and Savannah James. His parents were there
(01:18):
as well. They weren't on the stage at least not
that I saw. But here's what JJ Reddick said Rob
about Bronnie.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Rob and I did not give Bronnie anything. Bronnie has
earned this, Bronnie, he talks about his hard work. Bronnie
has earned this through hard work. And for us prioritizing
player development, we view Bronnie as like case study one
because his base level of feel, athleticism, point of attack, defender, shooting, passing,
(01:50):
there's a lot to like about his game, and as
we sort of build out our player development program holistically,
he's going to have a great opportunity to become I'm
an excellent NBA player.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
All right, Ron Parker, I guess we may know your
thoughts from your trash talk.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But what do you think he said?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, that's nice, And I don't believe one thing that
came out of JJ Reddick's mouth.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Here's the bad part.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
While you're trying to justify the Bronny pick, and you
can do whatever you want, you're the coach that's the team.
Right while you're trying to do that, Chris, what JJ
Reddick doesn't understand is that everybody's not on the payroll
at the Lakers, and they can look at this independently
and look at how this is played out, and they
(02:41):
could say to yourself, the more JJ Reddick talks, the
less I respect what he has to say because he
thinks that people are dumb. You could say, we wanted Brownie,
we whatever, But to act as if Lebron had nothing
to do with this, and this was just on Broun
these four points at USC and they saw that he
(03:03):
was so different from anybody else.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
If he was, why didn't you take him with the
first round pick?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
If he was that special when you saw something so
unique about him and all that he's put in because
he didn't play that well enough to justify that. So
you can do that, you can make Brownie feel good,
tell everybody whatever, sell him a fish story Chris and
how big it was, but you lose some respect.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
There's a lot of basketball people.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Out there that know the game and aren't gonna look
at JJ Reddick the same as far as selling people
a narrative or acting as if people who know and
watch basketball don't know what they're talking about, or or
he sees something that nobody else sees.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
That's all rib here.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Here's look we all know.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That Ronnie James. I mean, it's hard to imagine him
getting drafted by the Lakers if his dad wasn't Lebron period, Chris.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
It's it's just the fact.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Now, like I said yesterday, Bronnie as a high school
player was ranked nineteenth in his class, and that is
on par four player that could one day get drafted
and make it into the NBA. He had the cardiac arrest,
which obviously set him back, and so last year, you know,
(04:32):
he wasn't at his best. He lost critical time in
developing his game and clearly.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Was not at his best.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
He played, you know, he did fine, played fairly well
at the Chicago pre draft camp, and I think he,
you know, is solid enough where you know you can
draft him. But we all know that his dad being Lebron.
It just had a it was it had a lot
(05:04):
to do with it. Now here's the thing I'll say
to you, though, what do you expect JJ Reddick to say.
I mean, I'll be honest, if JJ Reddick just went
up there, and obviously he wouldn't be rude about it,
but if he said something to the effect of, you know, well, hey, Brian,
(05:24):
you know, like Briannie said thank you for all that
they've given me.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
You know, he used the word given to me the Lakers,
And if.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Reddick said, yeah, look you got a shot.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
You know, this is your chance, like you know, almost
like you go out there and do it. I just
think he said what you're supposed to say, and really
what you have to say. I mean, we all can
see the situation, and I think it's fine, and Brinie'll
get his chance and we'll see if he capitalizes on it.
(05:54):
I don't think JJ's trying to fool anybody. I think
what he's trying to do is to give Brian he
confidence and let him know, look, we believe in you
and we want to see you succeed. So don't come
in here with the attitude of hey many they you know,
they really didn't want me.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
It's just because of my dad.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Bronnie's gotta go in there with confidence, and I think
that's already's doing. I don't think he is under the
impression that he's fooling anybody or anything. That's what a
coach is supposed to say. He's not supposed to rip
him and say because.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
You could do that stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Chris to his face, talk, have a conversation and say,
you know what, the numbers don't suggest that that Bronnie
James should have been picked or drafted or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
But we saw some stuff in him.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
We conferred, We talked with his dad, We talked about
how he worked out. We were a little closer to
the situation because we got to see him, or his
dad got to see him, or our scouts got to
see him a little in a little different light than
most people other than just numbers.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And this is a shot in the dark. We're gonna
give him a shot and see what happened. A shot
in the dark. You think that would have win? No,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I'm just saying that I could buy that more than
this whole notion Chris that lebron had nothing to do
with it.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I'm just saying, when you when you.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Put that and pedal that out, people are going to
look at you a little sideways and be like, I
get it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
The coaches do this all the time, and a day
you can't. You can't do this.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I mean no, I'm just any second round draft pick,
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Them run most of the time. Chance most of them
won't even make the team.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Most of the time there's no press conference, and then
there's no to guarantee what presscott.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You know, they don't contract junior guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Kaway the press conference, you will have your draft picks there,
and the first rounder is the one that's guaranteed to
be on the roster and the second rounder. A lot
of times they'll make it, but their future is uncertain,
uh going forward. But yeah, the two year deal is
certainly out of the ordinary for a second round pick.
(07:57):
But I just think that even what you said before
you said shot in the dark, because that would certainly
not have gone overwhell. But before you the stuff you
said before that, you probably would have had an issue
with that too.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
If he said if he said we saw something.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
No, I'm a lot of skeptics will be like, yeah,
what you see twenty six percent three point shooting?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, I'm just saying, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Like there, I don't know what he could have said
other than what he did say. Look, the fact is, Brian,
he's on the team now. Fact is he's got.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Lebron James's jeans.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Fact is, he has been a very good player at
his level, you know, through high school and he had
a severe.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Setback that we all can acknowledge.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
And the most second round picks don't have any significant
NBA career to speak of. And so they're giving him
a shot, and he's gonna get a better shot than
most because, like you said, he.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Just got the TI as long as Lebron got a few.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Year deal, right.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
But and they're gonna work with him. And see, I think.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
They feel like whoever they picked the fifty fifth, chances
are they weren't gonna, you know, be a significant factor
on the team anyway.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
So you know, they definitely, I mean, we all know
the deal, and I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Think so far.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
I don't think he went so far rob that it's like,
oh my god.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Now if he had been up there gushing like you know,
we see Brianie. You know, look, we need some shooting,
you know, our perimeter defense. And he wouldn't mention the names,
but you know D'Angelo Russell and it struggles defensively. We
need some more defense on the ball at the point
of attack.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Then it would have been like hold no, like.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Really, but he just said, you know, he's earned what
he's got, and he's earned he has worked hard.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
He is not a complete you know, shot in the dark.
And so you know, a lot of kids work hard.
I mean, I get that.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
I'm out.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I'm not taking that away from him. Christ there's a
lot of kid doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
That's just I would hope so that he's not half
stepping it, you know what i mean. Like, the least
you could do is work hard, all right, to be
able to play ball for a living. And being that
there's only four hundred jobs, it's a limited you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And there's a.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Three hundred and thirty million people in the United States,
thirty million black people who would love an opportunity to
play in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So I'm assuming we got another one.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
I'm an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Why hating, I'm hating.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I'll tell you what, Rob And look Briannie. They obviously
they got him viewed. They're viewing him as somewhat of
a combo guard, right. I mean, I've watched Briannie to
some degree, he does have the smarts, maybe not to
the degree of his dad, but he clearly has high
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basketball IQ when you watch.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
From what Chris, give me an example.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
The game, man.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I mean, like, if you watch him just his field
for the game, knowing when to make passes, not forcing
the issue.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
I mean, some people think he needs to force it more.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I think he's got to. I remember watching him.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
As a freshman in high school on one of their
national televised games, and he stood out in that he
was not rushed. Nothing he did was rushed. He made
smart decisions, he was in the right place defensively, like
those are the types of things. And look, he's obviously
(11:37):
not Kyrie Irving. But I remember seeing Kyrie in high
school at an All American game in New York, and
they had all the big names in the country with that.
Austin Rivers was there, who was more highly touted than Kyrie.
And I was talking to Kyrie's dad on the phone
because you know, they're in the same area we lived
in we live in Jersey, and I was telling him, Man, Kyrie,
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clearly he is standing out amongst all these guys. He's
in control, he's controlling tempo. Everybody else is rushed, he's not.
So just things like that that you see. I just
wonder why not make him a point guard. I mean,
he's a small two and unless you're freakishly athletic like
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Allen iverson type. It's more of a challenge there now
unless he became a knockdown shooter. But I you know
he's smart. I would want to work at that if
I was the Lakers with him.
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Speaker 4 (13:16):
I wonder Rob if we might get a call or
two from Denver. Where some of the Nuggets fans may
want to trash the Nuggets because for the second straight
year or off season, they have lost some key players.
Last year after winning the championship, Bruce Brown, Jeff Green
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hurts their depth and they missed those guys this year,
no question about it. This year now, Reggie Jackson traded,
so they did get something back for him. A young
player will see if he can help him out. But
also in addition to losing Reggie Jackson, who was a
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key member of their rotation, they lost Kentavious Carwell Pope,
who was a starter for them. Rob helped them win
the championship and helped the Lakers win the championship a
few years ago. I know you only averaged ten points
a game, but he's a solid defender.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
He's a you know, timely three point shoot.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
He's a good three point shooter period, but he has
hit some timely threes for them, and so they Rob.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Here's how I look at the Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You've got a generational player, and obviously that's Nicola Jokic.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
When you have that rhyme, I think you go for it.
I think you go for it.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
And yes, you gotta spend a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
And today's you know rules with the new second apron
and the first apron and the taxes you have to
pay if you spend too much. They are what they are.
Y'all put them in. The owners put those rules in,
not the players. The players ultimately agreed to it. But Rob,
you know how these these collective party agreements go, the
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players generally lose. This was something the owners wanted to
protect them from themselves as far as spending more money
than they wanted to. And so now when you have
a top team and you oftentimes have to lose some
critical members, they may never get a player like Nicola Jokic.
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They've never had one before, as great as Carmelo Anthony
was and keiky Vandaway and Alex English, they've never had
a Yokish and Rob, I don't think and I don't
know what they're thinking is but it feels like when
you look at it from the outside, because they ever
replaced these guys, it feels like they're like, hey, we
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got a great We've had a really good franchise and
they have never won anything before it two years ago,
but had a very good franchise, generally successful in terms
of being competitive. Fan base is great, and now Rob
it's like they got their ring, and in some ways
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it seems to me like they're satisfied. I know, Michael
Malone is it. I know Jokicchen the players aren't. But
they can't keep losing guys. Golden State went for it
when they had Steph, or they've had Stephan and they
been trying to win it. And Boston's going for it.
They got they've got a window. Now they already got one.
I think the Nuggets should be going for it. I'd
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be a little I'd be disappointed if I was a
Nuggets fan.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I mean, you don't want to lose people. But I
understand where the Nuggets are. You talked about it yesterday, Chris.
These teams don't make money. They I mean they make
some manually. There's a few like last year, I think
about three lost money.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
So you made swimming in money or you're you know
what I mean. It's a cash cow. Looks like I play.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
On average, they might make I'm guessing, just looking at
the numbers earlier, about seventy.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Million a year on average.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
The high end maybe one twenty one thirty, but low
in some teams are losing money.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
If you're denver, you just you can't keep everybody you know,
like like you have you have to decide who you
want to pay right and who you're gonna keep.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Chris, you can't do it.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
This is not like endless shrimp and you could just
decide that I'm gonna keep eating shrimp and I don't
care what the cost is.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
There's a cost at some point that comes with it.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Now, the shame of it, Chris, would be that that
the Joker didn't win and you were shedding people.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Like like like once you win, and I'm not saying that, Okay,
that's it and let's roll up the tents and it's
all over. But it's way easier. No one's saying. No
one's expecting. Even as a as a fan of a team,
most people want their team to win. Can you win
once in my lifetime? Can I be? Can I go
to a parade?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Chris?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I'm not saying you don't want a second one or there,
but so many people don't even win one.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Ask Nick fans who grew up for the last forty.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Years, right fifty fifty years, could they ask him, what
would you take one.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Yeah, I hear you, but I'll just win that one
if your guy is in his prime, you know what
I mean like that, but to keep winning.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
You do want to keep winning, but not at all costs.
Not for some franchises. I don't know the Denver Nuggets numbers, Chris,
but it ain't a big city, and and and their
owners probably saying, dude, we can't, we can't go like
the like the the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Warriors on their apron.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I'm just saying, Chris, they got an enormous amount of
money that they have to pay, right the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, they were playing like three hundred and fifty million
this year and they made them they're the highest value
team in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Right, But Denver can't get in. They're not in that ball.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Tell you last year this season, Denver made this, according
to Forbes, seventy one million dollars.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, I mean it's not a huge amount for not
for the amount of money right.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Above.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, they made money, but yeah, a lot of that
probably is going in taxes. Golden State made seventy nine million,
but you got some taxes to pay.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
So yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Mean, I'm just saying, you're in that apron.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
You do have to pay.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I just I hear you, I hear your business. I
hear your point as a fan. And if it's unlimited budget,
you know you want to oh yeah, just throw money
at it and let's just try to win and let's
use this window. But I'm just saying it is a
lot easier to pull back after you win. Whether it's
right or not, it's because a lot of teams don't win.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Let me ask you this because you know, and there
was obviously free agent movement in the nineties, not near
as much in the eighties, but in the nineties, right,
but the Jordan Bulls, you know, I mean they Horace
Grant was there. They have some players that they interchanged.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
But do you prefer.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Back years ago where teams generally stayed together, or do
you prefer the movement? Because now and this goes for
the NFL as well, but nowadays, you know, you win
a championship, like you remember with the Steelers in the
seventies and the Cowboy, you kept everybody. And obviously free
agency is what the players should have. It's helped the
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players tremendously.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
But as a.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Fan, do you prefer this where guys are moving around
a lot every year because it does on one in
once sense, Rob's it makes it more exciting and teams
that haven't been good have a chance to get good,
you know what I mean. So I'm not saying it's
a bad thing. I definitely don't think free.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Agency is a bad thing.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
It's a great thing, right, But do you prefer as
a fan players being on the move and even your
team having the ability to go get a guy or
that they the team's kind of stayed together so when
you had a champion, maybe they could you know, going
to like nice.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Little I'm gonna say no, Chris, because when we talk
about it all the time, and especially during that era
of the fifties, Remember we talk about it with the
Celtics winning every year and the Yankees going to the
World Series like in those years, Chris, I don't know
if fans are like, oh, this is great. The Yankees
went to the World Series eight out of ten years
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in the fifties, and the Packers won all the time,
and the Montreal Canadians won the Stanley Cup every year,
and the Celtics won all the time, you know, for
those cities, yeah, But I think for the rest of
the league and the rest of the fans around the
country is like, God, can we have a shot?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
You know what I mean? Like not to win all
the time.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And that's why I'm saying, like, if you're Denver, and
I'm not saying that after you won, you want to
throw in the towel and you don't care whether you
want to or lose again. Of course, they wanted to
see their team repeat, and they were hurt that they
got knocked out, but it's a lot easier to understand
once you want if they pulled back without giving the
joker Chris some talent around him, or like they were
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at the cusp, and then they pulled out, you know,
without him winning, then as a fan I would be
I would be.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Man.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Here's my pushback, though, what if the fans said we
got our one and stop going to games?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
They want the fans to keep spending the money, so
I think they if you own an NBA team, your
goal should be to win as much as you can.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Now, I get the Warriors not signing.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Clay this year, and you know some other teams like
we talked about who's we were talking about yesterday? I
can't remember the team but or the Clippers with Paul George.
We're not winning it with Paul George. We're not winning
it with Klay Thompson and Golden State. So yeah, I'm
going to bring our spending down and not pay all
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these taxes for a team that might not even make
the playoffs. But when you have that shot, I mean,
this is what this is what separates pro sports from
some other businesses. It's about winning, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Talking about all we will say sports has a short menu. Yeah, really,
it really is wins a loss. So let me just
give you this a little context, Chris, about the Denver Nuggets.
For the last five years, most Nuggets fans in Denver
had their non national TV games Chris blacked out due
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to TV restrictions. So they had a big problem with
the Altitude Network. So they've had like some issues stuff
like that, you know what I mean, where maybe financially
they don't have the lot that they can really honestly
do it with. I'm saying this is gonna hurt us
down the road. Financially.
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Speaker 3 (24:20):
Rob.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
You know, I think you agree with me. Correct me
if I'm wrong, but I have not.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I felt like Michah Parsons should not have a podcast now.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
I don't want to get in the man's you know
while it.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
See I just said, Martin and looking at you, just
trying to take money out of his body.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
He's working hard, and I'm just saying Martin doesn't have
a job making millions like Michael Parsons does one day.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Though, Martin, keep working hard, young man.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
But anyway, and again, I don't want to stop him
from making money.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
You know, Doug Gottlieb can't work forever. I'm just saying it, right.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
But what I'm saying what I'm saying about Micah is
I I felt like he was too young to have
a podcast on. You know, in the NFL, he's only
played three seasons, he had only played two when he
started it. And most of the guys Lebron James veteran
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with rings, Dramond Green veteran with rings, the Kelsey Brothers
veterans with rings. Even guys like Pat Beverly, Paul George,
they're veterans they haven't won, but they're older guys in
the league.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I know, you got jaylen Bruns even he's been around
what six seven years? And Josh Hard. You know, they
have their podcast, the Knicks guys, the roommates. But I
just feel like, you know, get your feet wet, get
maybe win a championship, or at least be a veteran
and mature a little bit before you have your podcast.
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And sure enough, Rob the podcast seems to have rubbed
some of his teammates, at least Hooker the safety or
the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Hooker talked about.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
It on Keyshine Johnson's prodcast All Facts, No Breaks, and
I believe Hooker was probably talking for uh several cowboys,
not just himself.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
But here's what he says, the problem with him.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
I thing would be though from Mike, and my vice
would be for Mic it would be, you know, just
make sure we all right, you know, and being where
your feet are because if we're working, you know, the
run games terrible, but you're doing a podcast every week
and you know the run game is terrible, then you know,
what are you really caring about? Are you caring about
the crowd that you know is watching your podcast, you
caring about the success of our team and the Super
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Bowl that we're trying to reach.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
All right, rob Ge kind of summer this because this
went back and forth, so summarize to us.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Come to me. You don't have to tell me that.
Why don't you just come to me and tell me that.
You don't have to embarrass me in public? Spot tolf
of it.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
That's it. Michaelh caught win to the comments over the
weekend and he put out a response on Twitter, which deleted, tweeted,
and deleted, which is never a good sign.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
But that doesn't even work, Like right, somebody.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
Got it, and uh, here's what he tweeted, which was deleted.
I just wish you had said this to me, but
instead on some podcast. You got my number, family, and
you my locker mate, so you could have said this
any day. And you do realize I shoot the podcast
on our off day. Why aren't we talking about everyone's
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preparations and focus?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
But it's funny though, how you have a problem with
Micah's saying that rap?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
No, I'm just saying like it's funny though, because he
said he had to find out about on a podcast,
But that's what he does.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Podcast. You know what I mean. That's the funny, don't
you think?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I I I as much as I think, Yeah, it
may probably be a good idea if mikeuld drop the podcast.
I do think he is right on the money. Like, Bro,
we're locker mates. We see each other every single day.
You can say, why don't you come to me and
say something.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
About the podcast?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Like Michael look man a little bro because he said
he's his little Rikers just said stuff about the podcast
on this podcast too, about stuff. I mean, I know,
but my point is if you like lick me and
you if I went on a podcast and just saying something,
you know, because Malik wasn't just ripping Michael, but he
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was saying some sensitive stuff. If I said, yeah, I
wish Rod would do this and do that, you know,
instead of this and that, would you be like.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Why'd you come to me? Why did you why you
got to say it on some podcasts? Why don't you
just say it to me? Wouldn't you be like that?
I get that, but but this is a different era.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
We talk about this all the time, Chris, about the
social media, about people putting their business out.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
We've talked about this like like this you're right.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
In the old school, but it didn't seem to be
the way that they the younger people operate because because
you see stuff all the time on so right, like
like like it's airing stuff out instead of just uh
talking to people, Right, it's easier to just put it
out there and whatnot rather than have a conversation with
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people because people don't have those skill sets of dealing
with people face to face.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Would you agree with that a little bit? Well, but
I know what you're I know what you're saying, but
I'm just saying, but that's that's that doesn't make I
hear you. That's what they're used to do. But that's
not good for the team or the relationship.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I get it. But but I think I'm sorry, Chris.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
If I'm an owner, no podcasts that have to do
with sports or whatever we're doing.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
You want to do one on baking on your off day?
You want to do one on.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Even if it's a veteran or no podcast, No, because
I don't see the I don't see the bonus in it.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I don't see how it helps you. I just don't.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
I wonder if they could even make that rule, you
could even make sure they.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Can, Chris, you can set up any work rules you want.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
No might lose player.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Because a lot of teams got guys with podcasts.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
They do it. And I will say this new all.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Operations like people work, Chris, you work two jobs. I
work three jobs. You work for jobs, you know, whatever
it is. There are places but they say no, no,
you only work here, and if you don't do that,
you can't work here. Those are the rules when you
come in.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
What I would say is like if Jerry Jones, because
this to me, and you know I've always said this,
Jerry Jones sets the tone because he's running his mouth
all the time. If Jerry Jones Robe came to the
facility this summer and saying, look, guys, I'm tired of
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not winning.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
We're going for it this year. It is football period.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I'm not gonna be talking to the reporters outside the
locker room after every game any games. I'm not gonna
go on my radio show every Tuesday or whatever day
it is of the week to talk about the team.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
I Am going to leave it to the.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Coaches and you guys to talk about the team.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
And Stephen Jones, the GM, he'll do his thing.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
It's all about football.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
So I'm stepping down and I'm setting an example, and
I would like all of you to follow my example.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Any of you that have podcasts stop them. This year.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
It is about football. We're gonna bring a Super Bowl
to Dallas. I think that would be plausible. I think
if Jerry did that, Rob a Micah and maybe any
other guys that might have podcasts, I think they'd.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Be willing to do that.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
But when he's running his mouth all the time unnecessarily,
then I think it's hard. I get that he's the
one that writes the checks, but it's hard to have
guys buy into something like that.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, but but he does. He has ultimate power. You
remember during the during h the when when when the
players wanted to kneel, and he if you nail, you're
not gonna be a count like like, and they didn't,
and nobody kneeling.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Then they all neil.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
But I'm saying, but they didn't kneel at first. Remember
that Chris and he put that out there. You could
have said, he can't tell me.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
What to do.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
They were all afraid to death to kneel during that time.
If you remember, they didn't need to be afraid because
they player. I know, but they didn't do. But they
didn't do it, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Because that's the thing. They have power as players. We
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Over and over that you know what you want to
change stuff in the NFL, Chris, and take it.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Two seconds, right, two seconds.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
If there's a coach who's abusive, that there's some issue, Chris,
two freaking seconds, go ahead. We dare you right, we're
not playing for the we're not playing for you. What
do you think you're gonna donna fight the whole team?
If everybody take a star, that's it. You know, absolutely,
How did they get how did they get Donald Sterling
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out of the NBA? Chris two seconds? Donald Sterling been
doing that mess forever. Okay, we're not gonna play the
playoff game?
Speaker 8 (33:22):
What?
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Okay, we heard that. Okay, Donald Sterling, You're done. That's
all it took. Yeah, just the podcast. To me, I'm
just not with it. I just think it's a distraction.
I think it's unnecessary. I think you put the team
in harm's way with people wanting to feel a certain
way because you're talking about other players and just unnecessary stuff.
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This the window that you have, Chris, to be a
pro athlete is so small if you're lucky in the NFL,
what is it three and a half years people get
a cup of coffee in a sweet role like, it's
a small amount of time, a cool rear, ending, injury,
All kinds of bad stuff can happen to you, right,
So why not maximize your time with that. That's fine
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if it's at the end of your career, Chris, and
you say you so, I want to get into the
media or whatever. I just don't understand why they're hell
bent on doing what they've done.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
I think it's a few things.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I think one, there is money there, although obviously they
make a ton of money playing football. I think tudo
rob guys love the attention, and as much as they
are critical of what we do, they like it. Right,
How many guys get into what we do? I know, like, right,
all these guys who when we're like they hate the media,
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and then they just say, I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I hear you in that.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
And you know I've said from the beginning that I
don't think you should have the podcast.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
I agree. I don't know that I make a rule.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I might talk to guys and suggest hey, I don't
think you should do it whatever if I were an
owner or something, but there is no I don't see
any good that comes out of it for the team.
I will don't like there's no right, I mean, Rob,
Let's say if you or I did a separate podcast
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from this show on the show, like the whole topic
of the podcast was the show, right that, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
That'd be good cause you're people. It's like my wife
and I laugh.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Sometimes we watch these you know, these reality show we
don't really watch, but something we've seen and they create drama, right,
Because if you gotta create drama because otherwise people aren't
gonna watch, it's not gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And that's Rob. You know this.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
There there is an entertainment aspect of this too, all right,
And so if you have a podcast, there is going
to be a drive in you to make it entertaining
to say something, right, Chris, what are we automatic something interesting?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
What do we talk about it? Get the people into it?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
But we talk about that all the time when we
talk about, uh, what is the football one that they do?
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Hard knocks? Chris?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
When the camera's around, you know, the camera to play
to the camera.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
It's human nature.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
You don't have a normal conversation that you would have
when there's.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
No camera there.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
It's like the show I used to say all the time.
It's not a reality show. The name of the show
was Bridezilla. How do you act, Chris, if you're bride
about to get married? Are you nice to the people?
Do you yell at your your group, your bride'smaids? Do
you know what I'm saying, the name of the show
is Bridezilla. I gotta I gotta act like a bee
in order to be on. I mean, come on, did
(36:48):
I tell you I ever tell you that? You ever
remember that show Preachers of La I think of La.
They wanted you ow to guy and created that Yes.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
Wanted me to me and my family be on.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I was like, first of all, I'm not I'm not
like a pastor. He was like, nah, but you minister,
and blah blah blah, and you know, I was like,
no way. I did talk to my family. You know,
we were all like, no way, because Rob I can't sma, no.
They want First of all, my house is not that
filled with drama. That's what they want, thankfully, But right,
you have to create some madness. I can't have a
(37:22):
great relationship with my daughters, and that that be it.
It's gotta be. They're mad at me. I didn't let
them go out. They're yelling, they're talking behind my back.
Me and my wife have an issue, like that's what
they want. Just a nice household is not going to sell,
all right. And that's the same thing with podcasts, Rob.
(37:44):
There's gotta be some juice. There's gotta be some juice,
and that's the tim take.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
So I do agree with you.
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