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July 3, 2024 41 mins

In Hour 2 of The Odd Couple, Chris Broussard and Rob Parker react to the possibility that the MLB could have two players earn the Triple Crown this season, with Dodgers' Shohei Ohtani and Yankees' Aaron Judge both on historic paces. They also discuss LeBron's legacy with the Lakers and debate whether he will be remembered more as a Laker, Cavalier, or Heat legend. 

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let's go to some baseball, and what a year we

(01:17):
are having. My goodness, A lot of great stories going on,
but none greater, i'd say, than the chance that we
might see something, Rob that we haven't seen in what.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
One is my math right ninety one years? Do you
know what it is?

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Well, two Triple Crown winners, two Triple Crown winners in
the same season. Last time it was done nineteen thirty three,
Chuck Kleine Philadelphia Phillies in the NL and Jimmy Fox
Philadelphia Athletics.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
In the a L.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
And now Rob Aaron Judge of the Yankees leads the
American League and everything battan average, home runs RBI and
Show hal Tiny of the Dodgers in the NL leads
the NL in home runs.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
And batting average and his third in RBI.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
But he's only four backs, So, uh, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
This is awesome and right?

Speaker 4 (02:35):
And it's also two of the flagship franchises LA and
both coast right, Like, I mean, you couldn't ask for
more than this.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
No, the only thing you could ask Chris is those
two teams meeting the World Series, Like that would right
for baseball?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
That would be.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Dodgers, right, And there's it obviously a chance of that, right,
that would be great.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
And the Dodgers and Yankees haven't met Chris in the
World Series his nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
It's been a long time.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
I remember but this is the Yeah, Fernando Valenzuela.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
This is the thing that, Yeah, that was a Fernando mania.
Chris was wild. It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
People were like I remember going to when he first
pitched at Chase Stadium as a kid, and you know,
the Mets were terrible team, Chris, they sold out the
night that he was like like, no, it was huge, right,
that was the walk up of people and I want
to watch this guy pitch.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah, and then you know, I mean, again we've talked
about baseball was the biggest sport at that time, and
so you know, now, of course a lot of national
focuses on football and basketball, but at that time it
was just as much, if not more, on baseball.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
And so Valenzuela was huge, huge star. He really was.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
And this is something I mean, Aaron jud Chris, he
has like eighty RBIs Chris, he has like eighty So
he's on pace right there, right around the halfway point
of this eighty three right now.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
He's got eighty three RBIs. He's gonna have one hundred
and sixty, Like, what's the record. Do you know? He
was Hack Wilson Chris one.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Ninety Okay, way back, let me let me look it up.
I want to make sure. But it's Hack Wilson. I
know it's Hack Wilson. I'm not sure the.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Number, Chris, I want to say one ninety.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, okay, but but but this is something to watch
these guys perform. And it would have been interesting, Chris,
had they both been in the same league, because you know,
the only two guys Wilson one ninety one, See, I
was pretty good. That's not bad off the top of
my head, one ninety one, Garrett second, one eighty five. Yeah,
I mean he's an incredible Hack Wilson. How do you have, Chris?

(04:54):
And that was in one hundred and fifty four games, right.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Right, right, one ninety one.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
A lot of the records were yeah, it's crazy, yeah,
but tween thirty.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
But Aaron Judge and what he's done, and show hey quietly.
The Dodgers are a little understated, Chris. They were supposed
to be the Beatles. They played well a star Mookie
got heard, you know, like like they're they're winning, they're
twenty games over five hundred and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
But they're a little under understated. But not show him well.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
I mean the record is basically the same as the Yankees, right,
But I mean, hey, you know, in baseball.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
It's just but I'm saying it's hard. Sation for the
Dodgers were bigger.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Would you do you think, well, I'm talking about going
to roster is incredible, right, But just you know this,
I mean know in baseball, I don't.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I just don't think that with the nature of the sport.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
I just don't think you can say, oh, they've got
you know, five all star hitters in their lineup, they're
gonna be you can say they're gonna win the they're
gonna be great and have a chance to win the
World Series. But it doesn't mean I'm expecting him to
win one hundred and sixteen games, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, that's the hard part in baseball because, as you know,
if you don't have pitching Chris and the postseason, it
doesn't matter. If you don't get timely hitting. It's not
about scoring thirteen runs. It's about getting two out knocks,
you know what I mean, stuff like that hit a
sacrifice fly with a man on third to get him
in with less than two outs. Things like that. You

(06:30):
have to be able to do. But this is incredible
to see because I was saying, show Hey and Judge
have been in the American League Chris when he played
for the Angels, right, so show Heys won a MVP,
then Judge one and show Hey one, and now they're
in separate league. So now both of them could be
the MVP and they're not competing against each other on

(06:54):
that because they're in different leagues. But both have put
together unbelievable years. Judge's year is crazy because show hay
has what Chris you got his number twenty six home months,
twenty seven, twenty seventy seven.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Judge has thirty three to two thirty two Judge.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
The big difference is Judge is Rbiyah. It's eighty to
what eighty three sixty four? Sho Hayes got sixty.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Four the leader in the al or n L I
think at sixty eight, So yeah, he's not out of
the RBI leader.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
No, No, it's a it's an an interesting question is
and I don't know if there's even an answer, to
be honest, because which one's more impressive? I think show
Hay if I had to, I mean Judge. They both
have a great shot at doing it. But I will
say this, Rob show Hay has been more consistent. I

(07:54):
mean he's from basically from the entire season. He's been
doing the same thing.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
He acts.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
She had the same number of homers in RBI through
in each of the first like in March and April and.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Then in May and now in June he unload.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
You know, he hit like twelve, so he kind of
uped it. But he's been consistent. And we know Judge
had to slow start and now has been like historically
great christ fifty games, he like betting almost four hundred
the last fifty game.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
That's a huge sample size.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, but I I if you asked me to bet
on one to win it.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
I think I might say show hey.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Just because he has been this consistent the entire season,
whereas Judge was started slowly has been phenomenal. Like you said,
fifty games or so, But will he hit another slump?

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I mean that's fair and and and shoe. He has
been more consistent. But the stretch that had like that April.
You remember Chris he got booed at Yankee Stadium.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Remember he was right.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
It was so bad and people are like, what's wrong
with Judge? Remember he was hurt a little bit in
spring training, so people were like.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
He's entered the season, he wasn't really one hundred percent.
But we've talked about this on this show a million times.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
When he's healthy, he's as good as anybody's ever played
the game.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
When he's healthy.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
It's the only thing that that's hard to argue that, right,
the only thing that this guy is playing Chris center
field every day in the major leagues in a league
where people don't hit over three hundred anymore. Right, he
is for average, for power, he drives in runs, he's
he's been incredible.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
He looks like.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Barry Bonds looked in those years when he was just
off the charts.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
And we know, you know, we.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Know Bonds was juiced and Judge, you know, presume is
doing it clean.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Right, they did seventy you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
There's a big difference between now and back then because Chris,
if you remember, because you you did some of the bomb,
they weren't tested, guys, No, they were testing. I did
the McGuire sosa.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Oh that's what that's why you hit that one.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
You know, they both hit over sixty that year, right
ninety eight. I think it was, yeah, ninety eight, and.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
That was incredible that year, but this wild wind up
being one of the years for the ages because just
like we talked about, you said, how many years ninety
some odd years, nineteen.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Nineteen thirty three and in the National League, Rob, no
one's won the triple crown.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Since nineteen thirty seven.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
That's crazy, that's so what's that eighty whatever eighty something years?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Now? Who's the last in the American League? Miguel Cabrera
twenty on twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeap, Now, I remember that one very vividly because they
wanted to give Mike Trout the MVP that year, saying
he had more walks and on baseball, and I was like,
ain't no way. Was that an analytics driven Yes, it
was analytics against the you know right thing and guess

(11:16):
what the traditional writers won out. How are you going
to be a triple crown winner.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Chris and not win the MV I mean, I totally
agree with you, And let me ask you that that's
a good point.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Do you feel like, as a guy that's still you know,
very involved in MLB.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Has the trip I know it's gonna be phenomenal if
they do it, or even if one of them does
it and it will be celebrated. But among the caretakers
of the game, and I'm particularly talking about the younger ones,
you know, has the triple crown lost the little significance
to these analytics writers, you know because batting average.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
They don't view it.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
It's been viewed historically, right, Yeah, you know what that vote?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
And remember I was saying.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
That the analytical people, Chris and the traditional it wasn't
a fifty to fifty vote or straight vote, you know
what I mean, Like they had to there were guys
who crossed over who voted for Miguel in order for
him to win. It wasn't like strictly down party line,
so to speak. So that gave me some encouragement that
there were analytical people who were like, a triple crown

(12:29):
is a triple crown.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
And for a guy today where.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
So many people don't hit three hundred, he's not just
swinging for the fences at that, you know, driving in runs,
he's getting doubles, Chris, he's cashing in.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
What don't you like?

Speaker 1 (12:46):
And how could you vote against a guy who who
the league in all these categories?

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Well, and I think rab and look I get the
analytics and it's.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
All about what contributes to and all that.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
But as you know, baseball what they call it the
the an individual team sport, right, and batting average tells
you a lot. Batting average still is one of the
greatest measures of whether or not a guy is a good,
great or bad hitter. I mean it's literally how often

(13:25):
you get a base hit, and that matters.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I mean, I get it that a walk.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Is as good as a single, but that doesn't you
because you walk a lot doesn't mean you're as good
of a base hitter or a hitter as the guy
that hits three thirty.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
You know what I'm saying. Like so f an for
individual awards like I do.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Think the value to me of batting average is still
what it once was, because it that's how I know
this dude is a great hitter. I can look it
on base percentage separately as well, But don't tell me
the guy that walks a lot is as valuable or
as good as the guy that might not walk quite

(14:09):
as much but hits for a higher batting average.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Chris, I'll give you a perfect example. And that's why
I'm not all in on the walk Joey Vado walked
a lot with Cincinnati, a great on base percentage. But
there are at bats in games, Chris, when I need
Joey Vado to.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Swing the bat right.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
I don't want you to leave to take a walk
so that the next guy can make out and we
don't get the guy in from third or from such.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So there are times when I'm.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, if you don't walk, take a shot at it.
I need an RBI single, I need a double, I
need a run in. Don't just take the walk because
they really don't want to pitch to you. So I'm
not going to go the other way. Pitch with Chris
with the pitch on the outside corner, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
So I think that that is miss leading to say
wal he gets on base, No, I don't. I need
you to get to drive the run in. Yep, we're
down by bare. I totally agree. I totally agree, all.

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Speaker 2 (15:14):
Two guys show Hal.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Todi in the National League, Aaron Judge and the American
could win the triple crown. Who's better, who's having a
more impressive season, who do you think will go ahead.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
And get it done?

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Who has the best chance of being a triple Crown winner,
the first in twelve years of Major League Baseball? Your
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eight seven seven ninety nine. On Fox, you're turning the
way in on the dual pursuit of a triple crown
in MLB show Held Tiny Aaron Judge.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
All right, let's kick it off. Chris with Dewan in
Las Vegas. You're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's Updwan?

Speaker 6 (17:29):
Yeah, I know what other's doing today? Man you yeah, yeah,
I know, yah, I know y'all looking good at right now?
You know it's early supposed to don Chris ain't barbecue
or nothing.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
I would be if I wasn't working. Chris is working.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
I got to go congresionation, go rob on everything. Got
his brother's watching his baseball. His baseball is popping out.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Oh it's popping, definitely, it is.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
It's popping. But I'm sorry, Oh Tony, he like Lebron,
he did it. I'm sorry. So there's no other reason
you cannot have him. He's a two way player. Like
it's like I play offense in defense.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
You're saying he's the best, he's healthy. It's hard to
argue that. Yeah, we've talked about that. I've said, uh
dwaon that if Chris, if I'm going with he's just
a hitter, I would take Aaron Judge over him.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Is that only only things?

Speaker 5 (18:37):
A hit?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I would take Aaron Judge. I would take Aaron Jude.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Just now, again, let's see if old tiny Robb were
to keep this up. I mean, remember I said I
thought he'd have an uptick in hitting without having to pitch.
Right If he doesn't pitch next year and he does,
you know, maybe we would see. But right now, definitely
I would take Judge.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
But he's a Hall of Fame level hit her.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
If it's just hitting, oh Judge, because he judged your
life fright there.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
The only problem with Judge is just health. That's the
only problem. Dwan. Thanks for calling man from Vegas. We
appreciate you. Yeah, Chris, that is that's ther when he's
the only problem.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
If you go look at some of his numbers, things
that he's done. He's done historic stuff, and he could
reach seventy home runs, Chris, like he could reach seventy Rob.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
I hope, I mean, I know every baseball fan you
just hope that he can stay healthy and have a
typical career as far as health because if he does.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Rob, he has a chance to a lot of sun. Right,
and no tell him what this dude could do. I
mean seriously, So I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
As just a hitter, I would definitely take him, obviously
if you're talking about overall.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Because I mean, you gotta go with that, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Tyler in Minnesota, you're in the odd couple. Fox Sports Radio,
what's up, Tyler?

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (20:02):
How are we doing? Fellas doing great?

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Tyler?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
And he knew on Royce Lewis any news.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
The damn groin. I tell you what, you just can't
keep those things healthy, no matter right.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
He is such a good player, Chris, he can't. He
can't stay healthy.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Ye, No mean he can't. He can't.

Speaker 7 (20:21):
And that's my and that's my concern with these two
fellows that we're talking about.

Speaker 6 (20:24):
With Triple Crown.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
You know, when's the last time.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
You know, I say it again, we lost these guys.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
They're always on the right, always on the verge of
some sort of muscle pole or or tear, you know
what I mean. So it's like I wouldn't cut my
chickens before their hats. That's for sure what either want
of these fellows.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
But let me ask you this, Tyler, how with the
start that Judge had, I mean he was bad in April?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
He has eighty what did you say, Chris? Eighty three?
Are but how surprised are you? And where he is
a chance to maybe hit seventy?

Speaker 7 (21:04):
It's really hard to imagine that somebody can come from
the depths of you know, the gunner of baseball hitting
to where he's at right now, right, I mean, he's
taring the cover off the thing, and he deserves all
the recognition he's getting. But to put him in a
triple crown consideration, I do feel prior to the altar break,
it's a little bit earlyer.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Look, I definitely thanks, Tyler, feel that with Judge. Oh,
Tony's been healthy, fully healthy the last three years, Like.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
I don't know that.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Well yeah yeah, but I mean hitting wise, he's been fine.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
So I don't know. I don't feel that way about him.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Route right, I hear you, and it would be hard
to argue Judge has a longer track record Chris.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Of being injured of injury.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, and remember that was it last year one of
Yankee didn't make the playoffs. Remember Judge hit his toe
on defence at Dodgers. It didn't even look like it
was a big deal.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
That was it?

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Right right? All right?

Speaker 4 (22:10):
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Speaker 2 (22:24):
They are out.

Speaker 8 (22:25):
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For Profar, he's been in the league for ten years
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Speaker 2 (22:49):
Excuse me.

Speaker 8 (22:49):
In an All Star Game here Headlining the American League
would be Blue Jays line Grow Junior at first base.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
You also have Aaron Judge.

Speaker 8 (22:57):
The guys were talking about with the Yankees and the
outfield and Juan Soto in the outfield. And speaking of
Aaron Judge, he is zero for two with a dish
tonight for the nash or for the Yankees, and they
are trailing the Reds three to nothing in the sixth thing.
Speaking of the Nationals, they are behind the Mets five
to four seventh inning. There Pirates three Cardinals, one in

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the seventh, Astros and Blue Jays are all tied of
it a one in the fifth and just getting underway
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But that's a battle between two teams out in the
National League. And then in regards to what else is

(23:39):
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takes a one year deal to the Miami Heat. The
Timberwolves at Joe Ingles on a one year contract like that,
what makes you like that?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Well, he could shoot forty career three point shooter.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
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that and obviously he's only gonna play maybe at best
twenty minutes a night.

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Speaker 8 (24:23):
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attention known from his play with the Utah Jazz. And yeah,
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Speaker 2 (24:32):
PJ. Dozer to the t O's as well. A one
year deal.

Speaker 8 (24:35):
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the son of Lebron James, has officially inked his rookie contract.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
And what is it. What are the terms?

Speaker 8 (24:45):
Four years and seven point nine million dollars. That includes
a team option for the fourth year. So we're gonna
see Bronnie James take part in the Summer League festivities
in Vegas. In the meanwhile, let's get it back to
the odd couple Chris Broussard and Rob Parker.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
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Speaker 2 (25:18):
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Speaker 2 (25:58):
We welcome in our man, Sean merry man, Shawn. What's up?

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Hey, what's up, fella? How you doing?

Speaker 2 (26:04):
We're great, man.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Look, I got a lot of combat sports questions to
ask you, and I want to start here because you've
you now you're obviously promoting, but we know you have fought,
you know, on occasion yourself bare knuckle fighting.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
At that playing football. We know how tough that was
and is.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
And I've been on the field during the game, Sean,
and you know, on the sidelines and it is. It
just looks like all out war, and darn they're scary
at the speed and the strength and how hard guys
are hitting.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
But what I want to know from you is does
it take it to an even.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Higher level as far as the courage to get in
a ring by yourself, whether it's the octagon, whether it's
a boxing ring, whatever.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
I mean to tell me about that.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Level, because at least when you're playing football, you got
a team you want to be leven. But when you
are in that ring by yourself, what is that like
for a guy's man?

Speaker 3 (27:16):
When you get under those lights and you're one to
one in that cage or you in that ring by yourself,
there's no time out. That's the thing that's I think
that's the biggest thing. Like in football, you know, you
get tired, you patch your head right, you come out,
You got your backup guy will come and give you
a couple of plays off and you can get back
in the game fresh and fighting.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Man.

Speaker 6 (27:35):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
You know, you get tired, man, you got to learn
how to preserve your energy to make it to the
round and not gash yourself out. Man. You know, in fact,
that's football players where they go and make that transition
into combat sports. That's their biggest problem because we're so
used to getting there using our strength, explosion and then
with gas, right, and so in that cage or that ring,
man that it ain't no time outs looking at the

(27:59):
rev cage. That's the only way.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Now, Sean, let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I'm boxing a celebrity boxing match at the Palace of
All Out.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I did not get knocked out, Sean.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
I refused to get knocked out because the mat was filthy,
so I wasn't going down there.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
But my point is, and this is what I'm trying
to figure out from you.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
When I was fighting, and I was fighting Terry Foster
Chris who was a columnist for the Detroit News, and
I was a commerce for the Detroit Free Press, Michael
Moore was our referee in the ring heavyweight champ at
the time. But anyway, my point, Sean was, I did
not see anything other than Terry's face. There were sixteen

(28:45):
thousand people at the palace. Is that natural? Like, I
didn't see the crowd, I didn't see the ropes. I
only saw Terry's face. Is what.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
I call that? I call that the waves, man, It's
the sound is very movie like right where you just
hear sound in this wave and you just everything else
is a blur around you. But that box I call
that the box of the triangle that you just see
right there in front of you. And that and that's
what again. When you're not uh, when you're not used

(29:21):
to being in there, it's your soul zoned out. You
can't hear your coaches, right, you wouldn't listen to anybody
in the sidelines. The pros, guys who've been in there
for a long time experience. They're so relaxed they can
go talk. You see Floyd like, take somebody like Boyd.
He's talking to people doing the fight in the thing in.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
The crowd, right.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
He has so much experience in there. But when you're
not experienced, those lights get under you. I call that
the box of the triangle. Everything else around you is.

Speaker 6 (29:48):
Just a wave.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
It was a weird experience, Chris, I don't know if
you have the ring. Yeah, I'm dead serious. He's right,
everything's a blur except the person in front of you. Yeah,
I can imagine that. So let me ask you about this.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
So Deontay Wilder, we know, I mean he had his
stretch where he was king, he was knocking everybody out,
and then of course he got beat by Tyson Fury.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
And he's lost four including.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
That fight, four of his last five fights, and seems
like he's pretty much done.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
He just got knocked out a few weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
We've seen this, maybe not to this extent, but Tyson
who had everybody afraid of him, and then he gets
beat and now.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
His fights are a lot harder, right.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Even if he wins. It was like, dudes aren't as
scared of him anymore. George Foreman, I know that was
before you know, your time, but when he was when
he lost to Ali after that, you know, he had
trouble with guys after that before he came back in
his late thirties. So what do you think it is
when a guy that has been feared and and basically

(30:57):
been the a bully so to speak, when he gets beat,
Why do you think it is that, all of a
sudden he never has that same aura. He's never you know,
his fights are are much tougher going forward from that point.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, And so one thing about Beyontrey Wilder, I give
him all the credit in the world because his path
to get there, he didn't have a bunch of amateur fights.
He didn't have right, you know, he wasn't Javontein some
of these guys who been boxed since they were six
years old. He actually learned how to box. He wasn't
a boxer, you know, Javonte, all these guys or natural
boxes because they were doing that to the kids. But

(31:33):
there's something about losing that dog, gig man that you
can't retain anymore because getting to that getting to that ring,
getting in that cage, you have an animal like instinct
and I mean I felt I knowe that feels like
I used to have it on Sundays where you just
literally want to take somebody's head off and you have
to put your mind back there given us you can't.
So you know, I know a lot of people are

(31:54):
bashing Beyonce. It's probably time for him to hang it
up because one thing about about fighting, man, you do
not want to overstay. You're welcome. It's not football, it's
not basketball. You're not jogging around. You could go in
and get serious, serious injuries right because you're in there.
And I give them all the credit of the world, man,
because it's pad to get there. But it's time for
Deontay Wilder to hang it up. I hate to see it.

(32:14):
You know, when gods started getting emotional press conferences talking
about their sport, talking about move going the family, and
after that, like that dog is gone and you don't
have that anymore and it is almost impossible to retain it.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Where are we headed with boxing? I mean, I know
we've talked about.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
The demise of it or that the people who used
to and a lot of people kids don't grow up
with it because they can't see the fights there on
a mint. I remember Chris and I could talk about
listening to Fight Sean on the radio, you know what
I mean, A big heavyweight fight used to be on
the radio to keep up with it.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
But you don't have that.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
You know a lot of people that's either pay per
view or late at night or you don't get to
see boxing.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Is there any chance of that turning around?

Speaker 1 (33:02):
And where fathers take their boys and then their boys,
you know, grow up and take their sons.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I think that that's been detached from the sport of boxing.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, well, what what rural boxing is? The managers to
promoters and networks, that's kind of hiding their goose egg,
right because they don't want their their golden goose to lose,
them lose money and that that that killed boxing over time. Right,
But I'll say this, out of Saudi, Turkey has has
been doing because they got all the money in the world.
So now they're putting on these super fights. Certain the

(33:33):
guys who's supposed to be fighting, the Terrence Crawfords and
Spensers like that's coming back around for Davonte and uh
and Ryan Garcia to getting it, getting the ring and
duke it out. That wouldn't happened five years ago because
those guys that have both been forty and er before,
they've seen it, and so it's changing. But out of Saudi, man,
right now, the Turkey had they got so much money

(33:54):
that now that those super fights are about this start
happening again. But you're right, man, that went away and
it's really, you know what, it's really some of the
boxing fans fought too, because just because God lose don't
mean it's back down to zero. And so right, MMA
is overtaking boxing in my opinion, and I think boxing
has a chance to return, but it has to be

(34:15):
the best fighting the best, the number one guy fight
the number four got not the number one guy fighting
twenty twenty first guys, it can't happen anymore.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
And it's interesting, Sean, because I agree. I mean, I
want to see the best fighters fight. I don't you
can lose, and it doesn't Ali lost the greatest Sugar
Ray Law. You know all that, most of the greats lost,
and so the fighters and the fans need to realize that.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Know that doesn't mean the end of your career, so
to speak.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
But I will say this, while I don't really like
it as a fan, but as a fighter, I do
think these dudes.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Are better businessmen, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Like there they are milky that zero on their record
and then until they get that huge payday.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
But you know what I mean, Like Floyd was a
smart I think Floyd.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Obviously he's awesome, but I do think he hurt the
sport probably. But if I were advising, like a young
man how to do it, I would say, do it
like Floyd. Floyd's not gonna be punch drunk. He made
more money than anybody, and I think he sold his
fights on the talking and talking about him being undefeated,

(35:30):
you know what I mean, and all that. So it's
it's weird because for the boxers, I think it could
be better because they can keep that mistique and make
more money maybe, But for the fans it's not nearly
as good.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
And guess what, man, that's the biggest thing is if
the fans stop supporting your sport, ain't nobody making money.
And that's the biggest that's the biggest problem, right And
I agree the fighters need to take care of themselves
and managers want to put the fighters in the best
position possible. But for the long term of the sport,
right that manager, that coach is going to have four fighters,

(36:04):
and so you're trying to protect one and killing the
sport for the next five or teen years. Right now,
that's true, And that's what the UFC and Dane. I'll
give them this credit. They putdn't put money back into
the sport, building the brand, making sure the fighters fight
the best, and that never turned. The fans support you
by buying pay per views, by showing up. So yeah,

(36:26):
can a fight and make all the money in the world.
The managers and that team, Yeah, but guess what's gonna happen.
You're gonna lose fans and they ultimately are the ones
to spend the money.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Na, that's very true.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
That's a great point, all right, that's our man, Sean Merriman,
lights Out eighteen Saturday, July twenty seventh.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
You can buy tickets a lightsoutxf dot com.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Also make sure that you download the free app lights
Out Sports Sean great stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Man.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Happy for us, brother, Yep, you got a fellas happy
for it. May y'all be safe?

Speaker 2 (36:57):
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(37:57):
with the Los Angeles Lakers.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
So and he has a no trade call clause.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
So if he plays out this contract with the Lakers,
that will be eight seasons with the Lakers, which, believe
it or not, rob is the most that Lebron will
have played with any franchise consecutively.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
In his career.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
So he played eleven total in Cleveland, but obviously that
was broken up by the two starts. Yeah, when he
went to Miami was seven years, then four in Miami,
then four with Cleveland, and now eight.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Or you know, six so far with the Lakers. So
I want to ask you because.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
When you when I think of that, when you first
hear that, at least to me, that's surprising.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Wow, that really is true.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
But what will you think of when you think of
Lebron James, you know, twenty years from now, what team
will you associate him with?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
And how much will will you think of him as
a Laker? The Calves.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
I still think of him as the Calves because he
was drafted there, played there to start his career. The
Lakers to me feels like even though it was a
long time Christian years wise, he still played for the
Calves longer, even if it was two stints, played eleven
years in that uniform. I think of him, I think

(39:29):
of If you asked me to name Lakers, I'm telling
you Shaq and Kobe, I'm thinking of him, am I right?
Like I got fifteen guys before I mentioned Lebron.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah, it doesn't feel like And obviously, look he's played
great individually. They got a championship, but you know he
hasn't been at his best with the Lakers. He's been
hurt a good amount with the Lakers. I would say
his team is the Calves. But it's weird because his

(40:07):
greatest winning was done in Miami. Like, I think Miami
is a very close and that was only four years,
but that is a very close second. It's not close
what his most memorable title is, right, all titles aren't
created equal. And the one he won with the Cavs
there first in a major sport in fifty two years,

(40:28):
I believe it was that is like his hometown all
that that's his.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Greatest title, no question.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Yeah, But the fact that he won two in Miami,
I don't And maybe the way he went then I
think it's a close second, because you know, he just
did more winning there.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Now teams, I'm gonna tell you this, I think Miami
winning two titles, I'm not poo pulling it, but I
think it was disappointing that they didn't do something special,
they didn't win three in a row, that they lost
to a lower click lower case Dallas Mavericks team like

(41:10):
and they should have beat that.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
I'm not trying to take anything away from the mask
that he should have won this.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
But but don't you they like they didn't knowthing special
like that was winning three in a row.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Chuch would have put them in a special place. Yeah, no,
no doubt. I would have thought two out of four.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Was disappointed when I first saw he was going there.
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