July 6, 2024 • 40 mins
Chris and Rob debate whether LeBron James should be ridiculed for pulling the strings to ensure that Bronny made the NBA, explain why this latest snafu with teammate Malik Hooker is just the latest example as to why Micah Parsons should not host an in-season podcast and debate whether LeBron James being named the Team USA’s starting point guard is an indictment of Steph Curry.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
Rob, of course, was out on vacation.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Last week when Bronnie James, the son of Lebron James,
was drafted with the fifty fifth pick of the NBA
Drive by the Lakers, and he will join his dad.
Rob and I have said all along that Brianni is
going to be a Laker, and he is. Rob, you
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haven't been able to share your thoughts on this show,
so go ahead, what.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Are your thoughts? Chris? I want to make this very clear.
This is not anything to do with Bronnie. It doesn't.
I get it.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
It's his father trying to do us right or help
his kid in any way. Can I don't have any kids,
I never played the professional sports. I get all that,
but I must admit I think this is the worst
decision that's ever happened in professional sports. And I'm dead
serious when I say that, the worst by a team,
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just all around everybody involved in this because it changes
what the essence of the game has always been, which
is about competition, and we talk about all the time,
right Mederic, Oh my god, Mericacracy Right. Meritocracy. Meritocracy, I
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got it, Chris. This is what we've always talked about
and the reason why you have an NFL where you
have essentially ninety nine percent of the owners are white
and yet the league is seventy percent black. Meritocracy is
what allowed this to be the case. They didn't go
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out and just fill their teams with people who look
like them because they own the team and said, I
don't care. I'm gonna do what I want to do
and no one can tell me because I own the team.
It was about the best people went out there, played
the game, and the people who deserve to get jobs
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got jobs. I heard a lot of people throw around nepotism,
and there's plenty of nepotism, and I've been critical, yeah,
I plenty, and I've thrown outatist Chris.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
It's wrong. We've seen it, especially in the front office,
but it ain't right.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
But it ain't the same as what we've seen here.
As far as on the field. Someone would have to
show me on the field where some guy got his
son a spot on a team or some owner put
his nephew on out Just take the last spot on
the roster. It doesn't matter. I want you to be
on the team because I own the team. And that's
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the part I think when Lebron looks at his legacy,
that he'll be leaving this sport in a worse place
than when he got here. And what I mean is
he's opened up a Pandora's box now to where I
don't know how you tell people not to do what
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he just did. Right his kid by all of the scouts,
not Rob Parker as a scout, all the scouts, I'm
all of guard Chris. He didn't have a great year
in college. All this thing he might have made a
team might have been able to be on a team
as a non drafted player and worked his way through
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and all that right could ev but this was like, no,
he's coming to the Lakers, get out of the way,
don't draft him. This is all about Lebron making this happen.
I remember when Tim Tebow went down to Jacksonville. People
were like, what to play a position he had never played,
he was an older player. But Irban Meyer, oh that's
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my next door neighbor. People weren't with it. People throw
out the Dallas Cowboys, Chris. It's filled with nepartism. He
has all of his kids in the front office. But
I could justify a family business where you're hiring people
in your family more so than I can on a
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team or on a become No, I'm not saying I'm
against nepotism, but I'm a I'm against nepotism.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
What I'm saying is when.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
You play on the field that is supposed to be
based on your merit, your ability and not. And that's
where someone would have to show me where owner and
owners have done this in the past, because I can't
find it. I can't find where they put somebody on
a team because they own the team or they wanted
to help out their kid.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
If if Thiebo was essentially nepotism, No, but he didn't
make the team.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
No, but he gotta tryout.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
But I'm talking about Andy Weed's kids, Bill Belichick's kids.
Did he put them on a team or to goes Hey,
you can work your way up there.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Getting broken in half. I mean, they're not even remotely
like Roight. Here's where I mean I disagree with you overall.
And there are players, it's not just front office and
coaching staff where we've seen this. The nasaist anti de coopo.
I think he's much of a player.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Wait a minute, the die Okay, but was he who
was who drafted him?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I don't know who drafted him, but he got a
contract now with the Bucks because Giannis is on the Buck.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
No, but the Knicks drafted him. And let me say this, Chris,
I'm glad you brought that up. That came after Giannie's
first year when he averaged six points and four rebounds.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
So it wasn't as if he was a big star
and they knew it.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
He was joannas what didn't even blossom yet when the
Knicks drafted his brother, So that That's not where Janni's
got on the team. No, But I'm talking about he
was draft He was drafted originally by the Knicks after
Jiannis didn't have a big year, so Jannis had no play.
He couldn't tell the Knicks to draft his brother. He
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averaged six points his rookie year.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
It's possible that Brownie would have got drafted. Because here's
the thing. You don't believe that. I mean, I'm told
four teams were interested.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I heard Tyler wanted with the Clippers, Minnesota had interest,
Toronto had interest, Phoenix only wanted him for Lebron But
you know Phoenix had interest.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
So I'm told that one of those teams could have drafted.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Why was Rich Paul calling around if it was like, man, please,
we ain't think about no Ronnie James.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Why was Rich.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Paul calling and texting team saying don't draft him if
there was no chance he was gonna get drafted.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
The difference here is when you talk about those situations.
If this was Bronnie James played at usc and somebody
wants to people take flyers Chris all the time and
the second round on people.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
How is this different? I mean, I get it.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
His different because his dad. But I'm just saying Brianni
was the nineteenth ranked player Chris.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
He didn't hit ken they finished.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
He was the nineteenth ranked player in his senior class,
you know, before he had the cardiac arrest. And I
do think the cardiac ar rest impacted his with USC,
which we know wasn't good. But he was like he
wasn't he made Obviously McDonald's All American.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Some say that was because of lebron I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
He was nineteenth ranked player in his class, so that's
close to McDonald's All American anyway, and they're different rankings.
So that's my point, Like he is not like, like
you said, an owner putting their son on the team.
Most owner's sons probably weren't close to being Division one
basket Michael the Hornets.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
He had two sons, could have put one of them on.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, but I mean maybe they weren't close to as
good as the NBA that could be. He don't have
to be there was It's arguable that Broni was in
NBA process he went to the No it was you
you saw the reviews of him in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Herb Scuto said that they didn't think that he was
in then, but he was player, right.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
But you also heard other ones saying he shot it, well,
he's more, he's a plus athlete. And Tom Haberstrow did
a story saying legacy players whose fathers played in the
league tend to over perform.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
With their draft status.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
So like Jalen Brunson has obviously been better than his
draft status, and that goes for a lot of players.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
And so.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
There were some neflix that's what happened with second round picks.
Some people like them, think they're NBA players, some people don't.
I'm just saying it ain't like Bronni was something. And
a lot of guys that put up bad numbers got drafted,
whether they put them up in Europe or whether they
put them up in the NBA or you know college basketball.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Sher say Division one.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
The whole process feels bad, doesn't feel good. I feel
bad for Brownie from the standpoint of where people will
look at him. Where if this was on his own merrit,
Chris and and I'm saying on his own merit, and
anybody drafted him and he worked his way through or
whatever work through it it was, I think he would
have had a better situation or a better chance without
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having people wear this on him, that the only reason
he's there is his dad, and people aren't going to
say it. A lot of people aren't going to say
it publicly because lebron still has power and there's a
big name and a lot of guys. But I talked
to a lot of former players who just to me
said that this doesn't feel right on the way that
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this was handled, all the conversation about it. Everybody knew
I told you this month ago that he was going
to the Lakers. There was no doubt in my mind
at all how this was going to play out. And
that's the part that I'm talking about. When I look
at the down the road and the way we look
at it.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Did Bronni get in strictly and we don't? And you
know your guess, you're guessing.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
I'm guessing you think maybe it was just all on
Bronnie and it was all merited and there's nothing known
about it.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Definitely nepotism played a role, There's no question about it.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, okay, But my thing is, I don't want to
hear the nepotism card played when people and maybe you,
like you said you said, you've been critical. That's fine,
but I don't want to hear from people that haven't
said anything about the nepotism that is rampant in professional sports.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Front office is a performance business as well.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Coaching staff is a performance business as well, and if
they rob you know, the league and the NFL and
Major League Baseball, nepotism is rampant, rampant, And so I
don't want to hear when it's oh, a player flexes muscles, well,
the owners and the GM's been flexing their muscles left
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and right.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Steve Belichick qualified.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
To be a defensive coach with the with the paid
he's out of the league now, now he's coaching in college.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
The difference here is when we talk about earning a
spot on the roster and players knowing whether or not
someone truly belongs on a team, and that that's the
difference here. And I'm with you. I said it before,
and I've said it before. Who's the coach I always
talk about with the Chiefs? Who is a golf player?
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I talking about it? I'm Todd Haley Todd. I've said
it a million times, Chris, you've heard me on this show.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
That's an example I know, look, if y'all gonna cut
out nepotism, then.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Cut it out. And then yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
But but here's the other part is there is some
player who might have lost out on a job because
of Brownny and because of the nepotism.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
And and and and and when.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
It comes to the best player on the field who
deserves that opportunity.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I think this is where you open up.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
This this slippery slope, this this this back door, if
you will. And that's the part that I'm saying could
be the next step that Lebron has opened up.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
You remember Brown, He's not the first though Chris Smith
heard of him, played play for the Knicks because j R.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Smith was on the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Chris Smith didn't have a college career to speak of,
played at Manhattan briefly, real briefly. That's doing the deservice
to the word briefly, Louisville briefly, briefly, and was with
the Knicks. I mean, this has happened, and you can't
and I think you'll agree with me on this. You
can't say it's the worst thing ever. Because we know
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there was a league. There were the league's period, all
of them, NBA, NFL, Major League Baseball. It was a
time when heck, this was all the league did. They
locked out black players that were qualified to play. I
mean in mass So you had after the league say
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roughly that was there because not because it was a meritocracy.
It's only become a maritis does he once they tore
down the doors of segregation. But that's the racism that
was involved. Absolutely, we already know that. Ever were not
the worst thing. Ever that was far with the decision
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here in this case.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
I just think long term could have a bad effect
and that this stuff starts to happen down the road.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Most players are going to be able to do this. No,
just only does your son. So what will an owner
do put a guy on the roster.
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(15:13):
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Speaker 4 (15:23):
You know, I think you agree with me. Correct me
if I'm wrong, but I have not. I felt like Michaeh.
Parsons should not have a podcast now. I don't want
to get in the man's you know.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
While it See I just said Martin and looking at you,
just trying to take money out.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Of his Martin's working hard.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
And I'm just saying Martin doesn't have a job making
millions like Michael Parsons does one day.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Though, Martin, keep working hard, young man.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
But anyway, and again, I don't want to stop him
from making money.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
You know, Doug Gottlieb can't work forever. I'm just saying it, right,
But what.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I'm saying, what I'm saying about Mike is I felt
like he was too young to have a podcast on
you know, in the NFL, He's only played three seasons.
He had only played two when he started it. And
most of the guys Lebron James, veteran with rings, Draymond
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Green veteran with rings, the Kelsey Brothers veterans with rings.
Even guys like Pat Beverly, Paul George. They're veterans, they
haven't won, but they're older guys in the league.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Now.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
I know, you got Jalen Bruns.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Even he's been around what six seven years, and Josh Hard.
You know, they have their podcast, the Knicks guys, the roommates.
But I just feel like, you know, get your feet wet,
get maybe win a championship, or at least be a
veteran and mature a little bit before you have your podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And sure enough, Rob the podcast.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Seems to have rubbed some of his teammates, at least
Malik Hooker the safety or the wrong way. Hooker talked
about it on Keyshine Johnson's Prodcast, All Facts, No Breaks,
and I believe Hooker was probably talking for uh, several cowboys,
not just himself.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
But here's what he says. The problem with him.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
I thing would be though for Mike and my vice
would be for Mica, it would be you know, just
make sure we all right, you know, and being where
your feet are because if we're working. You know, the
run games terrible, but you're doing a podcast every week
and you know the run game is terrible, then you know,
what are you really caring about? Are you caring about
the crowd that you know is watching your podcast? Are
you caring about the success of our team and the
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Super Bowl that we're trying to reach?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
All right, Rob G kind of summer this because this
went back and forth, so summarize to us.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Come to me. You don't have to tell me that.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Why don't you just come to me and tell me
that you don't how to embarrass me in public?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
That spot on top of it.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Okay, that's it.
Speaker 9 (17:58):
Michaeh caught Win to the corn over the weekend and
he put out a response on Twitter, which he deleted,
tweeted and deleted, which is never a good sign. But
that doesn't even work, Like right, somebody got it and
uh here's what he tweeted, which was deleted. I just
wish you had said this to me, but instead on
some podcast you got my number family and you my
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locker mate. So you could have said this any day,
and you do realize I shoot the podcast on our
off day. Why are we talking about everyone's preparations and focus?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
But it's funny though you have.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
A problem with Micahs saying that rap.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
No, I'm just saying like it's funny though, because he
said he had to find out about on a podcast.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
But that's what he does podcast, you know what I mean.
That's the funny. Don't you think?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I I I as much as I think, Yeah, it
may probably be a good idea if mikeauld drop the podcast.
I do think he is right on the money. Like, Bro,
we're locker mats. We see each other every single day.
You can say, why don't you come to me and
say something about the podcast? Like Michael look man a
little bro because he said he's his.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Little richers just said stuff about the podcast on this
podcast too, about stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I mean, I know.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
But my point is, if you like lick me and
you if I went on a podcast and just saying something,
you know, because Malik wasn't just ripping Michael, but he
was saying some sensitive stuff. If I said, yeah, I
wish Rod would do this and do that, you know,
instead of this and that. Would you be like, why'd
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you come to me? Why did you why you gotta
say it on some podcasts? Why don't you just say
it to me? Wouldn't you be like that? I get that,
but but this is a different era.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
We talk about this all the time, Chris, about the
social media, about people putting their business out. We've talked
about this like like this, you're right in the old school,
but it didn't seem to be the way that they
the younger people op a rate because because you see
stuff all the time on social right, like like like
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it's airing stuff out instead of just uh talking to people, Right,
it's easy to just put it out there and whatnot
rather than have a conversation with people because people don't
have those skill sets of dealing with people face to face.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Would you agree with that a little bit?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Well, but I know what you're saying. I know what
you're saying, but I'm just saying, but that's that's that
doesn't make I hear you. That's what they're used to do,
but that's not good for the team or the relationship.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
I get it, but but I think I'm sorry, Chris,
if I'm an owner no podcasts that have to do
with sports or whatever we're doing.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
You want to do one on baking on your off day.
You want to do one on.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Even if it's a veteran or no podcast, No, because
I don't see the I don't see the bonus in it.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I don't see how it helps you. I just don't.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I wonder if they could even make that rule.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
You could even make sure they can Chris. You could
set up any work rules you want. No might lose player.
Because a lot of teams got guys with podcast Chris.
They do it.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
And I will say this new all operations, like people work, Chris.
You work two jobs. I work three jobs, you work
four jobs. You know, whatever it is. There are places
but they say no, no, you only work here, and
if you don't do that, you can't work here.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Those are the rules when you come in. What I would.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Say is like if Jerry Jones, because this to me,
and you know I've always said this, Jerry Jones sets
the tone because he's running his mouth all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
If Jerry Jones Robe came.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
To the facility this summer and saying, look, guys, I'm
tired of not winning.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
We're going for it this year. It is football, period.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
I'm not gonna be talking to the reporters outside the
locker room after every game any games. I'm not gonna
go on my radio show every Tuesday or whatever day
it is of the week to talk about the team.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
I Am going to leave it to the.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Coaches and you guys to talk about the team, and
Stephen Jones the GM, he'll do his thing.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
It's all about football.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
So I'm stepping down and I'm setting an example, and
I would like all of you to follow my example.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Any of you that have podcasts stop them. This year.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
It is about football. We're gonna bring a Super Bowl
to Dallas. I think that would be plausible. I think
if Jerry did that, Rob a Micah and maybe any
other guys that might have podcasts, I think they'd.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Be willing to do that.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
But when he's running his mouth all the time unnecessarily.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Then I think it's hard.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I get that he's the one that writes the checks well,
but it's hard to have guys buy into something like that.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Yeah, but but he does. He has ultimate power. You
remember during the during uh the when when when the
players wanted to kneel and he if you nail you're
not gonna be a count like like, and they didn't, and.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Nobody end up kneeling. Then they all neil.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
But I'm saying, but they didn't kneel at first. Remember that, Chris,
and he put that out there. You could have said,
he can't tell me.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
What to do. They were all afraid to death to
kneel during that time.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
If you remember, they didn't need to be afraid because
they star a player. Now I know, but they didn't do.
But they didn't do it, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Because that's the thing. They have power as players.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
We talk about it over and over that you know
what you want to change stuff in the NFL, Chris,
and take it.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Two seconds? Right, two seconds.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
If there's a coach w abusive that there's some issue, Chris,
too freaking second, go ahead, We dare you right. We're
not playing for the We're not playing for you. What
you think you're gonna donna fight the whole team?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
If everybody take a star, that's it, you know, absolutely,
How did they get how do they get Donald Sterling
out of the NBA?
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Chris two seconds? Donald Sterling been doing that mess forever. Okay,
we're not gonna play the playoff game. What Oh, okay,
we heard that. Okay, Donald Sterling, You're done. That's all
it took. Yeah, just the podcast. To me, I'm just
not with it. I just think it's a distraction. I
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think it's unnecessary. I think you put the team in
harm's way with people wanting to feel a certain way
because you're talking about other players and just unnecessary stuff.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
This The window that you have, Chris, to be a
pro athlete is so small.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
If you're lucky in the NFL, what is it three
and a half years? People get a cup of coffee
in a sweet role like, it's a small amount of time.
A career ending injury, all kinds of bad stuff can
happen to you, right, So why not maximize your time
with that. That's fine if it's at the end of
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your career, Chris, and you say to you, so I
want to get into the media or whatever. I just
don't understand why they're hell bent on doing what they've done.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
I think it's a few things.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I think one, there is money there, although obviously they
make a ton of money playing football. I think tudo
rob guys love the attention and as much as they
are critical of what we do. They like it, right,
How many guys get into what we do?
Speaker 6 (25:41):
I know, like right, all these guys who when we're
like they hate the media.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
And then they just say, I've ever seen I hear
you in that.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
And you know I've said from the beginning that I
don't think you should have the podcast.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I don't know that I make a rule.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I might talk to guys guy and suggest, hey, I
don't think you should do it whatever, if I were
an owner or something, but there is no I don't
see any good that comes out of it for the team.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
I will don't like, there's no right.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I mean, Rob, let's say if you or I did
a separate podcast from this show on the show, like
the whole topic of the podcast was the show, right
that I don't think that'd be good cause you're people.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
It's like my wife and I laugh.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Sometimes we watch these you know, these reality shows we
don't really watch, but something we've seen and they create drama, right,
because if you gotta create drama because otherwise people aren't
gonna watch, it's not gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And that's Rob.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
You know this, there there is an entertainment aspect of
this too, all right, And so if you have a podcast,
there is going to be a drive in you to
make it entertaining to say something, right, Chris, what are
we automatic something interesting?
Speaker 5 (27:06):
What do we talk about it? Get the people into it?
Speaker 6 (27:09):
But we talk about that all the time when we
talk about, uh, what is the football one that they do?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Hard knocks? Chris?
Speaker 6 (27:17):
When the camera's around, you know the camera, you play
to the camera.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
It's human nature.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
You don't have a normal conversation that you would have
when there's no camera there. It's like the show I
used to say all the time, it's not a reality show.
The name of the show was Bridezilla. How do you act, Chris?
If you're a bride about to get married? Are you
nice to the people? Do you yell at your your group,
your bride'smaids? Do you know what I'm saying? The name
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of the show is Bridezilla. I gotta I gotta act
like a bee in order to be on. I mean,
come on, did I tell you I ever tell you that?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
You ever remember that show? Preachers of La?
Speaker 5 (27:55):
I think it of La. They wanted you own a
guy that created that, Yes.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Wanted me to me and my family be on Oh
my god. I was like, first of all, I'm not
I'm not like a pastor. He was like, nah, but
you minister, and blah blah blah, and you know I
was like, no way. I did talk to my family,
you know, we were all like, no way.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Because Rob, I can't see drama. No they want.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
First of all, my house is not that.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Filled with drama.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
That's what they want, frightfully, but right you have to
create some madness. I can't have a great relationship with
my daughters and that that be it.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
It's gotta be. They're mad at me. I didn't let
him go out.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
They're yelling, they're talking behind my back. Me and my
wife have an issue, Like that's what they want. Just
a nice household is not going to sell, all right.
And that's the same thing with podcasts, Rob, There's gotta
be some juice. There's gotta be some juice. And that's
the tim Tay. So I do agree with you on that.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
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Speaker 4 (29:05):
We talked to Joe Varden last hour from the Athletic.
He had a great story on Team USA. The men's
basketball team is gonna try to win gold again this
year in Paris, and the main premise rob of the
story was whether or not Lebron would come off, possibly
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come off the bench, because Joe Varden was saying that
he feels like there's three definite starters. That's Kevin Durant,
the all time leading scorer for Team USA, Steph Curry,
the best shooter in the world and by most people,
I know, you don't consider him that, and then Joe
l Embiid, the you know, the big man. Those were
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the three. I believe, rob g those were the three,
he said, I believe, And so he was like, he
brought up Kawhi I'm sorry, I don't think Kawhi Leonard
is starting over Lebron James. I don't even think that's
a question. And my thinking is Lebron's definitely starting. Ain't
no way Lebron. Can we stop? Like I saw that,
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I'm like, and he he ended up Lebron's probably gonna
start or start, But yeah, I mean, just out of respect,
this is.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Less go around. Really, I just don't see that.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Yeah, I mean if if like he was just which
won't be the case, but if he was just playing
horribly or getting crushed, maybe ultimately to win goal if
they had to make a move. But even if in
situations like that, rob you still might start him to
not embarrass him. But Haliburton the backup point guard, and
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somebody else plays, you know what I mean, we're play more.
I don't think that's gonna be the case. I think
Lebron will play well. But yeah, so we both are
in agreement that he'll start. But I my this is
what I think the starting five should be Robbed. I
think this should be Lebron as you want to call him,
point guard, whatever you want to call him, Steph KD,
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Jason Tatum, and Joe l Embiid. Now, in the Feeble
World Cup last year, they did get they were getting
beat up like they were too small, they weren't rebounding well,
and that was a different team obviously, But if that
proves to be the case as these games are happening,
then I could substitute Anthony Davis for Jason Tatum, but
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I think that smaller lineup will be able to get
it done. Tatum is a good rebounder, great rebounder for
a size. The Rant's a good rebounder obviously, Embiid and
Lebron is a rebounder, And so that's what I think
I would have the starting five ass And if Steve
Kerr wants to run any semblance of that Golden State
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offense that led them to so many championships, Lebron could
be in that Draymond Green role because you know, when
Golden State place, Draymond is kind of like the point guard,
and Lebron could play that role obviously even better than Draymond.
And you got the shooters in Steph KD and Tatum
and Nbad obviously can shoot as well. So I think
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that opens up that possibility for you if you're Steve Kurr.
But anyway, what do you think of that and the
notion of Lebron being the point guard?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Chris?
Speaker 6 (32:30):
I think it's a huge indictment of this whole talk
that Steph Curry's the second best point guard of all time,
because there's no way, if he was really considered that
would anybody be handling the ball other than him if
he's on this team, Hey, no way know how Magic
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Johnson would be on a team in Lebron James is
handling the ball. Oh, Isaiah Thomas or John Stockton.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Or even Chris Paul. You say he's not a point guard. Yeah,
he's not. That's why Dra the ball more than him.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
But I'm saying, but this is this is the argument
that he's the second best point guard ever.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Is a sham is a rulese is for gazy.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Steph Curry is not the second greatest point guard of
all time. If he was the second greatest point guard
of all time, Chris, no matter if Lebron didn't have
a position, or no matter if Lebron was on the team,
he would be handling the basketball, he would be running
the offense.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
But it ain't the case. Steph is a wolf in
sheep's clothing. That's what he is. He ain't no point guard.
They just don't want to call him a two guard.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Right because then if you do that, then so is
Lebron a point guard? Or he's just better than Steph
Curry guard?
Speaker 5 (33:53):
But real talk, rider, I'm just saying no.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But most of Lebron's career, particularly in his prime, I
know he's a point No. No, he was the primary
ball handler he is, really. I mean, I don't call
him a point guard. But if we really talk about
the way he plays, if we want to define positions
by how you play, you are right we would call
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and I don't. We would call Steph Curry a two guard.
We would call Lebron James a point guard. They just started.
Remember they used to call Luca a small forward shooting guard.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Now he's just viewed.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
As a point guard because that's how he plays. So
I mean, if you want to make that argument, to me,
it is not a big deal. Okay, So Steph's not
the second greatest point guard ever. I think he acta is,
because I do rank him in the point guard category.
But if you want to move him to shooting guard, okay,
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so he's the third best shooting guard ever, that's a difference.
It's Michael Jordan number one, Kobe Bryant number two, Steph
Curry number three.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
So you got Kobe ahead of Steph.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, because he was obviously the defense so I would, yeah,
But I mean, to me, that's not a big deal.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
I mean, but I think there.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Are a lot of players rob that we categorize them
differently than they actually played. I mean, Jokic in a
lot of ways is the Nuggets point guard.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Now.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Obviously he posts the heck Gary Payton used to post up,
Mark Jackson used to post up. I mean they Jamal
Murray is listed as the point guard. He ain't a
point guard. He's a two guard.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yeah, but that's fine. James Harden is.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I consider when I think about where James Harden ranks
Robbed like all time by position, I tend to categorize
him in the shooting guard category although he's basically a
point guard. He's played point guard, you know, the whole
second half of his career and more and then some.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
So I think it's you know, Steph. The reason I.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Think, one reason I think is Steph as a point
is because he can clearly play point. He played point
for Mark Jackson like today's point guards do, high pick
and roll, and his numbers were great, twenty four points,
eight and a half assists. You know, he was playing
more like today's point guards do. But the genius of
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Steve Kerr was that he said, this guy's.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Like the best shooter I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Let me have him running off some screens and stuff,
and Clay running off some screens and Draymond can handle
the ball and.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Has a high basketball IQ and can pass.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Let me put the ball in his hands. So I
just I mean, you know, if you want cardergarize him
as a two. And it's funny I categorized Alan.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Iverson as a shooting guard.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I don't think of him as a point So that
a lot of players that kind of their positions get
you know, get get mixed up because if they're doing
a lot of things.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I hear that, But I'm just saying, whenever you want
to deem somebody as the second greatest point guard of
all time and then you put together this team with
all these all time.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Greats and he's not in that role.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
That that's the only thing that's my biggest pushback is
that these other guys you couldn't shift anybody else around.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Uh the point.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, I'm not a great not this second.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
No not, I'm just not the greatest small Is Lebron
the second best point guard of all time?
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Lebron's is the best small ford? No, I'm asking you
about point guard.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
You say, I don't categorize him as a point guard, Well,
he's playing with good If I did, I would say
he's I mean he's not.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
He's a better player than no point guard.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
Yes, he played you just talked about it. He played
it most of his career.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I don't know real did I say that?
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I think like Magic, Lebron is a better player than Magic.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Not a better point gud, but Magic.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Was a better point guard distributed.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Steph is a great passer, but in that, in that,
and he's a great ballhand Like he's a better ball
handler than Lebron. I I mean, Lebron played point in
a way that a lot not a lot of people did.
He dominated the ball and he scored a lot. And
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so I'm just saying, if we're defining point guard is
the guy that brings the ball up, then Lebron.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
Lebron did that for the bulk of his career.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
But I like with Team USA, and I said it
to Joe Varden, I like putting him Lebron at point
because he is a guy that you know, loves to
pass the ball. And when I've got a ton of
shooters on the team, that's what I need. I need
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a guy that's gonna be primarily be a passer. And
then Lebron has turned himself into a very good three
point shooter's not forty one percent last year. So now
when he's on the perimeter, if they leave him, he
can obviously drain the three.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
So I and look, that's Joe's article.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
That doesn't Steve Kerr hasn't come out and said that's
how we'll do it. I bet you when they name
the starting five and Lebron and Steph are in it,
I bet they'll call Steph the point guard. And if
I don't know if it'll be my starting five, but
in that group, I probably he probably called Jason Tatum
the two guard, and Lebron a small forward or power forward,
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and kd the small forward. Like I mean, today, a
lot of these guys are somewhat positionless.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
So I know you're trying to make a big You know,
he ain't.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
A point god, he ain't a point guard.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
This guy is falling. It's just an indictment of Steph Curry.
It's a sham. It's a sham. He's not that second
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Last week when Bronnie James, the son of Lebron James,
was drafted with the fifty fifth pick of the NBA
Drive by the Lakers, and he will join his dad.
Rob and I have said all along that Brianni is
going to be a Laker, and he is. Rob, you
(00:56):
haven't been able to share your thoughts on this show,
so go ahead, what.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Are your thoughts? Chris? I want to make this very clear.
This is not anything to do with Bronnie. It doesn't.
I get it.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
It's his father trying to do us right or help
his kid in any way. Can I don't have any kids,
I never played the professional sports. I get all that,
but I must admit I think this is the worst
decision that's ever happened in professional sports. And I'm dead
serious when I say that, the worst by a team,
(01:34):
just all around everybody involved in this because it changes
what the essence of the game has always been, which
is about competition, and we talk about all the time,
right Mederic, Oh my god, Mericacracy Right. Meritocracy. Meritocracy, I
(02:01):
got it, Chris. This is what we've always talked about
and the reason why you have an NFL where you
have essentially ninety nine percent of the owners are white
and yet the league is seventy percent black. Meritocracy is
what allowed this to be the case. They didn't go
(02:25):
out and just fill their teams with people who look
like them because they own the team and said, I
don't care. I'm gonna do what I want to do
and no one can tell me because I own the team.
It was about the best people went out there, played
the game, and the people who deserve to get jobs
(02:46):
got jobs. I heard a lot of people throw around nepotism,
and there's plenty of nepotism, and I've been critical, yeah,
I plenty, and I've thrown outatist Chris.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
It's wrong. We've seen it, especially in the front office,
but it ain't right.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
But it ain't the same as what we've seen here.
As far as on the field. Someone would have to
show me on the field where some guy got his
son a spot on a team or some owner put
his nephew on out Just take the last spot on
the roster. It doesn't matter. I want you to be
on the team because I own the team. And that's
(03:30):
the part I think when Lebron looks at his legacy,
that he'll be leaving this sport in a worse place
than when he got here. And what I mean is
he's opened up a Pandora's box now to where I
don't know how you tell people not to do what
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he just did. Right his kid by all of the scouts,
not Rob Parker as a scout, all the scouts, I'm
all of guard Chris. He didn't have a great year
in college. All this thing he might have made a
team might have been able to be on a team
as a non drafted player and worked his way through
(04:12):
and all that right could ev but this was like, no,
he's coming to the Lakers, get out of the way,
don't draft him. This is all about Lebron making this happen.
I remember when Tim Tebow went down to Jacksonville. People
were like, what to play a position he had never played,
he was an older player. But Irban Meyer, oh that's
(04:34):
my next door neighbor. People weren't with it. People throw
out the Dallas Cowboys, Chris. It's filled with nepartism. He
has all of his kids in the front office. But
I could justify a family business where you're hiring people
in your family more so than I can on a
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team or on a become No, I'm not saying I'm
against nepotism, but I'm a I'm against nepotism.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
What I'm saying is when.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
You play on the field that is supposed to be
based on your merit, your ability and not. And that's
where someone would have to show me where owner and
owners have done this in the past, because I can't
find it. I can't find where they put somebody on
a team because they own the team or they wanted
to help out their kid.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
If if Thiebo was essentially nepotism, No, but he didn't
make the team.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
No, but he gotta tryout.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
But I'm talking about Andy Weed's kids, Bill Belichick's kids.
Did he put them on a team or to goes Hey,
you can work your way up there.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Getting broken in half. I mean, they're not even remotely
like Roight. Here's where I mean I disagree with you overall.
And there are players, it's not just front office and
coaching staff where we've seen this. The nasaist anti de coopo.
I think he's much of a player.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Wait a minute, the die Okay, but was he who
was who drafted him?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I don't know who drafted him, but he got a
contract now with the Bucks because Giannis is on the Buck.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
No, but the Knicks drafted him. And let me say this, Chris,
I'm glad you brought that up. That came after Giannie's
first year when he averaged six points and four rebounds.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
So it wasn't as if he was a big star
and they knew it.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
He was joannas what didn't even blossom yet when the
Knicks drafted his brother, So that That's not where Janni's
got on the team. No, But I'm talking about he
was draft He was drafted originally by the Knicks after
Jiannis didn't have a big year, so Jannis had no play.
He couldn't tell the Knicks to draft his brother. He
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averaged six points his rookie year.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
It's possible that Brownie would have got drafted. Because here's
the thing. You don't believe that. I mean, I'm told
four teams were interested.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I heard Tyler wanted with the Clippers, Minnesota had interest,
Toronto had interest, Phoenix only wanted him for Lebron But
you know Phoenix had interest.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
So I'm told that one of those teams could have drafted.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Why was Rich Paul calling around if it was like, man, please,
we ain't think about no Ronnie James.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Why was Rich.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Paul calling and texting team saying don't draft him if
there was no chance he was gonna get drafted.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
The difference here is when you talk about those situations.
If this was Bronnie James played at usc and somebody
wants to people take flyers Chris all the time and
the second round on people.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
How is this different? I mean, I get it.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
His different because his dad. But I'm just saying Brianni
was the nineteenth ranked player Chris.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
He didn't hit ken they finished.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
He was the nineteenth ranked player in his senior class,
you know, before he had the cardiac arrest. And I
do think the cardiac ar rest impacted his with USC,
which we know wasn't good. But he was like he
wasn't he made Obviously McDonald's All American.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Some say that was because of lebron I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
He was nineteenth ranked player in his class, so that's
close to McDonald's All American anyway, and they're different rankings.
So that's my point, Like he is not like, like
you said, an owner putting their son on the team.
Most owner's sons probably weren't close to being Division one
basket Michael the Hornets.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
He had two sons, could have put one of them on.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, but I mean maybe they weren't close to as
good as the NBA that could be. He don't have
to be there was It's arguable that Broni was in
NBA process he went to the No it was you
you saw the reviews of him in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Herb Scuto said that they didn't think that he was
in then, but he was player, right.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
But you also heard other ones saying he shot it, well,
he's more, he's a plus athlete. And Tom Haberstrow did
a story saying legacy players whose fathers played in the
league tend to over perform.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
With their draft status.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
So like Jalen Brunson has obviously been better than his
draft status, and that goes for a lot of players.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
And so.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
There were some neflix that's what happened with second round picks.
Some people like them, think they're NBA players, some people don't.
I'm just saying it ain't like Bronni was something. And
a lot of guys that put up bad numbers got drafted,
whether they put them up in Europe or whether they
put them up in the NBA or you know college basketball.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Sher say Division one.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
The whole process feels bad, doesn't feel good. I feel
bad for Brownie from the standpoint of where people will
look at him. Where if this was on his own merrit,
Chris and and I'm saying on his own merit, and
anybody drafted him and he worked his way through or
whatever work through it it was, I think he would
have had a better situation or a better chance without
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having people wear this on him, that the only reason
he's there is his dad, and people aren't going to
say it. A lot of people aren't going to say
it publicly because lebron still has power and there's a
big name and a lot of guys. But I talked
to a lot of former players who just to me
said that this doesn't feel right on the way that
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this was handled, all the conversation about it. Everybody knew
I told you this month ago that he was going
to the Lakers. There was no doubt in my mind
at all how this was going to play out. And
that's the part that I'm talking about. When I look
at the down the road and the way we look
at it.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Did Bronni get in strictly and we don't? And you
know your guess, you're guessing.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
I'm guessing you think maybe it was just all on
Bronnie and it was all merited and there's nothing known
about it.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Definitely nepotism played a role, There's no question about it.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, okay, But my thing is, I don't want to
hear the nepotism card played when people and maybe you,
like you said you said, you've been critical. That's fine,
but I don't want to hear from people that haven't
said anything about the nepotism that is rampant in professional sports.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Front office is a performance business as well.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Coaching staff is a performance business as well, and if
they rob you know, the league and the NFL and
Major League Baseball, nepotism is rampant, rampant, And so I
don't want to hear when it's oh, a player flexes muscles, well,
the owners and the GM's been flexing their muscles left
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and right.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Steve Belichick qualified.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
To be a defensive coach with the with the paid
he's out of the league now, now he's coaching in college.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
The difference here is when we talk about earning a
spot on the roster and players knowing whether or not
someone truly belongs on a team, and that that's the
difference here. And I'm with you. I said it before,
and I've said it before. Who's the coach I always
talk about with the Chiefs? Who is a golf player?
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I talking about it? I'm Todd Haley Todd. I've said
it a million times, Chris, you've heard me on this show.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
That's an example I know, look, if y'all gonna cut
out nepotism, then.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Cut it out. And then yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
But but here's the other part is there is some
player who might have lost out on a job because
of Brownny and because of the nepotism.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
And and and and and when.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
It comes to the best player on the field who
deserves that opportunity.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I think this is where you open up.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
This this slippery slope, this this this back door, if
you will. And that's the part that I'm saying could
be the next step that Lebron has opened up.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
You remember Brown, He's not the first though Chris Smith
heard of him, played play for the Knicks because j R.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Smith was on the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Chris Smith didn't have a college career to speak of,
played at Manhattan briefly, real briefly. That's doing the deservice
to the word briefly, Louisville briefly, briefly, and was with
the Knicks. I mean, this has happened, and you can't
and I think you'll agree with me on this. You
can't say it's the worst thing ever. Because we know
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there was a league. There were the league's period, all
of them, NBA, NFL, Major League Baseball. It was a
time when heck, this was all the league did. They
locked out black players that were qualified to play. I
mean in mass So you had after the league say
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roughly that was there because not because it was a meritocracy.
It's only become a maritis does he once they tore
down the doors of segregation. But that's the racism that
was involved. Absolutely, we already know that. Ever were not
the worst thing. Ever that was far with the decision
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here in this case.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
I just think long term could have a bad effect
and that this stuff starts to happen down the road.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Most players are going to be able to do this. No,
just only does your son. So what will an owner
do put a guy on the roster.
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Speaker 4 (15:23):
You know, I think you agree with me. Correct me
if I'm wrong, but I have not. I felt like Michaeh.
Parsons should not have a podcast now. I don't want
to get in the man's you know.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
While it See I just said Martin and looking at you,
just trying to take money out.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Of his Martin's working hard.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
And I'm just saying Martin doesn't have a job making
millions like Michael Parsons does one day.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Though, Martin, keep working hard, young man.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
But anyway, and again, I don't want to stop him
from making money.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
You know, Doug Gottlieb can't work forever. I'm just saying it, right,
But what.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I'm saying, what I'm saying about Mike is I felt
like he was too young to have a podcast on
you know, in the NFL, He's only played three seasons.
He had only played two when he started it. And
most of the guys Lebron James, veteran with rings, Draymond
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Green veteran with rings, the Kelsey Brothers veterans with rings.
Even guys like Pat Beverly, Paul George. They're veterans, they
haven't won, but they're older guys in the league.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Now.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
I know, you got Jalen Bruns.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Even he's been around what six seven years, and Josh Hard.
You know, they have their podcast, the Knicks guys, the roommates.
But I just feel like, you know, get your feet wet,
get maybe win a championship, or at least be a
veteran and mature a little bit before you have your podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And sure enough, Rob the podcast.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Seems to have rubbed some of his teammates, at least
Malik Hooker the safety or the wrong way. Hooker talked
about it on Keyshine Johnson's Prodcast, All Facts, No Breaks,
and I believe Hooker was probably talking for uh, several cowboys,
not just himself.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
But here's what he says. The problem with him.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
I thing would be though for Mike and my vice
would be for Mica, it would be you know, just
make sure we all right, you know, and being where
your feet are because if we're working. You know, the
run games terrible, but you're doing a podcast every week
and you know the run game is terrible, then you know,
what are you really caring about? Are you caring about
the crowd that you know is watching your podcast? Are
you caring about the success of our team and the
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Super Bowl that we're trying to reach?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
All right, Rob G kind of summer this because this
went back and forth, so summarize to us.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Come to me. You don't have to tell me that.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Why don't you just come to me and tell me
that you don't how to embarrass me in public?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
That spot on top of it.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Okay, that's it.
Speaker 9 (17:58):
Michaeh caught Win to the corn over the weekend and
he put out a response on Twitter, which he deleted,
tweeted and deleted, which is never a good sign. But
that doesn't even work, Like right, somebody got it and
uh here's what he tweeted, which was deleted. I just
wish you had said this to me, but instead on
some podcast you got my number family and you my
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locker mate. So you could have said this any day,
and you do realize I shoot the podcast on our
off day. Why are we talking about everyone's preparations and focus?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
But it's funny though you have.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
A problem with Micahs saying that rap.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
No, I'm just saying like it's funny though, because he
said he had to find out about on a podcast.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
But that's what he does podcast, you know what I mean.
That's the funny. Don't you think?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I I I as much as I think, Yeah, it
may probably be a good idea if mikeauld drop the podcast.
I do think he is right on the money. Like, Bro,
we're locker mats. We see each other every single day.
You can say, why don't you come to me and
say something about the podcast? Like Michael look man a
little bro because he said he's his.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Little richers just said stuff about the podcast on this
podcast too, about stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I mean, I know.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
But my point is, if you like lick me and
you if I went on a podcast and just saying something,
you know, because Malik wasn't just ripping Michael, but he
was saying some sensitive stuff. If I said, yeah, I
wish Rod would do this and do that, you know,
instead of this and that. Would you be like, why'd
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you come to me? Why did you why you gotta
say it on some podcasts? Why don't you just say
it to me? Wouldn't you be like that? I get that,
but but this is a different era.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
We talk about this all the time, Chris, about the
social media, about people putting their business out. We've talked
about this like like this, you're right in the old school,
but it didn't seem to be the way that they
the younger people op a rate because because you see
stuff all the time on social right, like like like
(20:04):
it's airing stuff out instead of just uh talking to people, Right,
it's easy to just put it out there and whatnot
rather than have a conversation with people because people don't
have those skill sets of dealing with people face to face.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Would you agree with that a little bit?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Well, but I know what you're saying. I know what
you're saying, but I'm just saying, but that's that's that
doesn't make I hear you. That's what they're used to do,
but that's not good for the team or the relationship.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
I get it, but but I think I'm sorry, Chris,
if I'm an owner no podcasts that have to do
with sports or whatever we're doing.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
You want to do one on baking on your off day.
You want to do one on.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Even if it's a veteran or no podcast, No, because
I don't see the I don't see the bonus in it.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I don't see how it helps you. I just don't.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I wonder if they could even make that rule.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
You could even make sure they can Chris. You could
set up any work rules you want. No might lose player.
Because a lot of teams got guys with podcast Chris.
They do it.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
And I will say this new all operations, like people work, Chris.
You work two jobs. I work three jobs, you work
four jobs. You know, whatever it is. There are places
but they say no, no, you only work here, and
if you don't do that, you can't work here.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Those are the rules when you come in. What I would.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Say is like if Jerry Jones, because this to me,
and you know I've always said this, Jerry Jones sets
the tone because he's running his mouth all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
If Jerry Jones Robe came.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
To the facility this summer and saying, look, guys, I'm
tired of not winning.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
We're going for it this year. It is football, period.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
I'm not gonna be talking to the reporters outside the
locker room after every game any games. I'm not gonna
go on my radio show every Tuesday or whatever day
it is of the week to talk about the team.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
I Am going to leave it to the.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Coaches and you guys to talk about the team, and
Stephen Jones the GM, he'll do his thing.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
It's all about football.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
So I'm stepping down and I'm setting an example, and
I would like all of you to follow my example.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Any of you that have podcasts stop them. This year.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
It is about football. We're gonna bring a Super Bowl
to Dallas. I think that would be plausible. I think
if Jerry did that, Rob a Micah and maybe any
other guys that might have podcasts, I think they'd.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Be willing to do that.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
But when he's running his mouth all the time unnecessarily.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Then I think it's hard.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I get that he's the one that writes the checks well,
but it's hard to have guys buy into something like that.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Yeah, but but he does. He has ultimate power. You
remember during the during uh the when when when the
players wanted to kneel and he if you nail you're
not gonna be a count like like, and they didn't, and.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Nobody end up kneeling. Then they all neil.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
But I'm saying, but they didn't kneel at first. Remember that, Chris,
and he put that out there. You could have said,
he can't tell me.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
What to do. They were all afraid to death to
kneel during that time.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
If you remember, they didn't need to be afraid because
they star a player. Now I know, but they didn't do.
But they didn't do it, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Because that's the thing. They have power as players.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
We talk about it over and over that you know
what you want to change stuff in the NFL, Chris,
and take it.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Two seconds? Right, two seconds.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
If there's a coach w abusive that there's some issue, Chris,
too freaking second, go ahead, We dare you right. We're
not playing for the We're not playing for you. What
you think you're gonna donna fight the whole team?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
If everybody take a star, that's it, you know, absolutely,
How did they get how do they get Donald Sterling
out of the NBA?
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Chris two seconds? Donald Sterling been doing that mess forever. Okay,
we're not gonna play the playoff game. What Oh, okay,
we heard that. Okay, Donald Sterling, You're done. That's all
it took. Yeah, just the podcast. To me, I'm just
not with it. I just think it's a distraction. I
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think it's unnecessary. I think you put the team in
harm's way with people wanting to feel a certain way
because you're talking about other players and just unnecessary stuff.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
This The window that you have, Chris, to be a
pro athlete is so small.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
If you're lucky in the NFL, what is it three
and a half years? People get a cup of coffee
in a sweet role like, it's a small amount of time.
A career ending injury, all kinds of bad stuff can
happen to you, right, So why not maximize your time
with that. That's fine if it's at the end of
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your career, Chris, and you say to you, so I
want to get into the media or whatever. I just
don't understand why they're hell bent on doing what they've done.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
I think it's a few things.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I think one, there is money there, although obviously they
make a ton of money playing football. I think tudo
rob guys love the attention and as much as they
are critical of what we do. They like it, right,
How many guys get into what we do?
Speaker 6 (25:41):
I know, like right, all these guys who when we're
like they hate the media.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
And then they just say, I've ever seen I hear
you in that.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
And you know I've said from the beginning that I
don't think you should have the podcast.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I don't know that I make a rule.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I might talk to guys guy and suggest, hey, I
don't think you should do it whatever, if I were
an owner or something, but there is no I don't
see any good that comes out of it for the team.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
I will don't like, there's no right.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I mean, Rob, let's say if you or I did
a separate podcast from this show on the show, like
the whole topic of the podcast was the show, right
that I don't think that'd be good cause you're people.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
It's like my wife and I laugh.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Sometimes we watch these you know, these reality shows we
don't really watch, but something we've seen and they create drama, right,
because if you gotta create drama because otherwise people aren't
gonna watch, it's not gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And that's Rob.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
You know this, there there is an entertainment aspect of
this too, all right, And so if you have a podcast,
there is going to be a drive in you to
make it entertaining to say something, right, Chris, what are
we automatic something interesting?
Speaker 5 (27:06):
What do we talk about it? Get the people into it?
Speaker 6 (27:09):
But we talk about that all the time when we
talk about, uh, what is the football one that they do?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Hard knocks? Chris?
Speaker 6 (27:17):
When the camera's around, you know the camera, you play
to the camera.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
It's human nature.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
You don't have a normal conversation that you would have
when there's no camera there. It's like the show I
used to say all the time, it's not a reality show.
The name of the show was Bridezilla. How do you act, Chris?
If you're a bride about to get married? Are you
nice to the people? Do you yell at your your group,
your bride'smaids? Do you know what I'm saying? The name
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of the show is Bridezilla. I gotta I gotta act
like a bee in order to be on. I mean,
come on, did I tell you I ever tell you that?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
You ever remember that show? Preachers of La?
Speaker 5 (27:55):
I think it of La. They wanted you own a
guy that created that, Yes.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Wanted me to me and my family be on Oh
my god. I was like, first of all, I'm not
I'm not like a pastor. He was like, nah, but
you minister, and blah blah blah, and you know I
was like, no way. I did talk to my family,
you know, we were all like, no way.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Because Rob, I can't see drama. No they want.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
First of all, my house is not that.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Filled with drama.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
That's what they want, frightfully, but right you have to
create some madness. I can't have a great relationship with
my daughters and that that be it.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
It's gotta be. They're mad at me. I didn't let
him go out.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
They're yelling, they're talking behind my back. Me and my
wife have an issue, Like that's what they want. Just
a nice household is not going to sell, all right.
And that's the same thing with podcasts, Rob, There's gotta
be some juice. There's gotta be some juice. And that's
the tim Tay. So I do agree with you on that.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
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Speaker 4 (29:05):
We talked to Joe Varden last hour from the Athletic.
He had a great story on Team USA. The men's
basketball team is gonna try to win gold again this
year in Paris, and the main premise rob of the
story was whether or not Lebron would come off, possibly
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come off the bench, because Joe Varden was saying that
he feels like there's three definite starters. That's Kevin Durant,
the all time leading scorer for Team USA, Steph Curry,
the best shooter in the world and by most people,
I know, you don't consider him that, and then Joe
l Embiid, the you know, the big man. Those were
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the three. I believe, rob g those were the three,
he said, I believe, And so he was like, he
brought up Kawhi I'm sorry, I don't think Kawhi Leonard
is starting over Lebron James. I don't even think that's
a question. And my thinking is Lebron's definitely starting. Ain't
no way Lebron. Can we stop? Like I saw that,
(30:11):
I'm like, and he he ended up Lebron's probably gonna
start or start, But yeah, I mean, just out of respect,
this is.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Less go around. Really, I just don't see that.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Yeah, I mean if if like he was just which
won't be the case, but if he was just playing
horribly or getting crushed, maybe ultimately to win goal if
they had to make a move. But even if in
situations like that, rob you still might start him to
not embarrass him. But Haliburton the backup point guard, and
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somebody else plays, you know what I mean, we're play more.
I don't think that's gonna be the case. I think
Lebron will play well. But yeah, so we both are
in agreement that he'll start. But I my this is
what I think the starting five should be Robbed. I
think this should be Lebron as you want to call him,
point guard, whatever you want to call him, Steph KD,
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Jason Tatum, and Joe l Embiid. Now, in the Feeble
World Cup last year, they did get they were getting
beat up like they were too small, they weren't rebounding well,
and that was a different team obviously, But if that
proves to be the case as these games are happening,
then I could substitute Anthony Davis for Jason Tatum, but
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I think that smaller lineup will be able to get
it done. Tatum is a good rebounder, great rebounder for
a size. The Rant's a good rebounder obviously, Embiid and
Lebron is a rebounder, And so that's what I think
I would have the starting five ass And if Steve
Kerr wants to run any semblance of that Golden State
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offense that led them to so many championships, Lebron could
be in that Draymond Green role because you know, when
Golden State place, Draymond is kind of like the point guard,
and Lebron could play that role obviously even better than Draymond.
And you got the shooters in Steph KD and Tatum
and Nbad obviously can shoot as well. So I think
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that opens up that possibility for you if you're Steve Kurr.
But anyway, what do you think of that and the
notion of Lebron being the point guard?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Chris?
Speaker 6 (32:30):
I think it's a huge indictment of this whole talk
that Steph Curry's the second best point guard of all time,
because there's no way, if he was really considered that
would anybody be handling the ball other than him if
he's on this team, Hey, no way know how Magic
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Johnson would be on a team in Lebron James is
handling the ball. Oh, Isaiah Thomas or John Stockton.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Or even Chris Paul. You say he's not a point guard. Yeah,
he's not. That's why Dra the ball more than him.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
But I'm saying, but this is this is the argument
that he's the second best point guard ever.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Is a sham is a rulese is for gazy.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Steph Curry is not the second greatest point guard of
all time. If he was the second greatest point guard
of all time, Chris, no matter if Lebron didn't have
a position, or no matter if Lebron was on the team,
he would be handling the basketball, he would be running
the offense.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
But it ain't the case. Steph is a wolf in
sheep's clothing. That's what he is. He ain't no point guard.
They just don't want to call him a two guard.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Right because then if you do that, then so is
Lebron a point guard? Or he's just better than Steph
Curry guard?
Speaker 5 (33:53):
But real talk, rider, I'm just saying no.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But most of Lebron's career, particularly in his prime, I
know he's a point No. No, he was the primary
ball handler he is, really. I mean, I don't call
him a point guard. But if we really talk about
the way he plays, if we want to define positions
by how you play, you are right we would call
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and I don't. We would call Steph Curry a two guard.
We would call Lebron James a point guard. They just started.
Remember they used to call Luca a small forward shooting guard.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Now he's just viewed.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
As a point guard because that's how he plays. So
I mean, if you want to make that argument, to me,
it is not a big deal. Okay, So Steph's not
the second greatest point guard ever. I think he acta is,
because I do rank him in the point guard category.
But if you want to move him to shooting guard, okay,
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so he's the third best shooting guard ever, that's a difference.
It's Michael Jordan number one, Kobe Bryant number two, Steph
Curry number three.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
So you got Kobe ahead of Steph.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, because he was obviously the defense so I would, yeah,
But I mean, to me, that's not a big deal.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
I mean, but I think there.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Are a lot of players rob that we categorize them
differently than they actually played. I mean, Jokic in a
lot of ways is the Nuggets point guard.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Now.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Obviously he posts the heck Gary Payton used to post up,
Mark Jackson used to post up. I mean they Jamal
Murray is listed as the point guard. He ain't a
point guard. He's a two guard.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yeah, but that's fine. James Harden is.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I consider when I think about where James Harden ranks
Robbed like all time by position, I tend to categorize
him in the shooting guard category although he's basically a
point guard. He's played point guard, you know, the whole
second half of his career and more and then some.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
So I think it's you know, Steph. The reason I.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Think, one reason I think is Steph as a point
is because he can clearly play point. He played point
for Mark Jackson like today's point guards do, high pick
and roll, and his numbers were great, twenty four points,
eight and a half assists. You know, he was playing
more like today's point guards do. But the genius of
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Steve Kerr was that he said, this guy's.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Like the best shooter I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Let me have him running off some screens and stuff,
and Clay running off some screens and Draymond can handle
the ball and.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Has a high basketball IQ and can pass.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Let me put the ball in his hands. So I
just I mean, you know, if you want cardergarize him
as a two. And it's funny I categorized Alan.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Iverson as a shooting guard.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I don't think of him as a point So that
a lot of players that kind of their positions get
you know, get get mixed up because if they're doing
a lot of things.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I hear that, But I'm just saying, whenever you want
to deem somebody as the second greatest point guard of
all time and then you put together this team with
all these all time.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Greats and he's not in that role.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
That that's the only thing that's my biggest pushback is
that these other guys you couldn't shift anybody else around.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Uh the point.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, I'm not a great not this second.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
No not, I'm just not the greatest small Is Lebron
the second best point guard of all time?
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Lebron's is the best small ford? No, I'm asking you
about point guard.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
You say, I don't categorize him as a point guard, Well,
he's playing with good If I did, I would say
he's I mean he's not.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
He's a better player than no point guard.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
Yes, he played you just talked about it. He played
it most of his career.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I don't know real did I say that?
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I think like Magic, Lebron is a better player than Magic.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Not a better point gud, but Magic.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Was a better point guard distributed.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Steph is a great passer, but in that, in that,
and he's a great ballhand Like he's a better ball
handler than Lebron. I I mean, Lebron played point in
a way that a lot not a lot of people did.
He dominated the ball and he scored a lot. And
(38:33):
so I'm just saying, if we're defining point guard is
the guy that brings the ball up, then Lebron.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
Lebron did that for the bulk of his career.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
But I like with Team USA, and I said it
to Joe Varden, I like putting him Lebron at point
because he is a guy that you know, loves to
pass the ball. And when I've got a ton of
shooters on the team, that's what I need. I need
(39:03):
a guy that's gonna be primarily be a passer. And
then Lebron has turned himself into a very good three
point shooter's not forty one percent last year. So now
when he's on the perimeter, if they leave him, he
can obviously drain the three.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
So I and look, that's Joe's article.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
That doesn't Steve Kerr hasn't come out and said that's
how we'll do it. I bet you when they name
the starting five and Lebron and Steph are in it,
I bet they'll call Steph the point guard. And if
I don't know if it'll be my starting five, but
in that group, I probably he probably called Jason Tatum
the two guard, and Lebron a small forward or power forward,
(39:41):
and kd the small forward. Like I mean, today, a
lot of these guys are somewhat positionless.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
So I know you're trying to make a big You know,
he ain't.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
A point god, he ain't a point guard.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
This guy is falling. It's just an indictment of Steph Curry.
It's a sham. It's a sham. He's not that second
best point guard of all time. Stopping with that,
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