July 6, 2024 • 65 mins
On a rollicking, all-over-the-place hour of #thisleague UNCUT, Chris Haynes and Marc Stein analyze roughly half the league based on offseason moves they did and didn't like, update you on the futures of DeMar DeRozan, Lauri Markkanen and Brandon Ingram and, as usual, take a couple personal detours that only Chris could steer us towards.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
NBA Free Agency dribbles on it's time to do a
little bit of review. Teams whose business we loved, Teams
whose business we either flat out haven't liked or we're
loudly questioning. Plus, of course, what do you expect Chris
Haynes throwing curveballs at me that I'm flailing at I
don't even know how to handle. And we also will
(00:22):
work in the latest on lowry marketing, on brandon Ingram
and of course the Marta Rosen. All that's next on
a brand new edition of This League Uncut.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to This League Uncut in the rule of twenty
four hour NBA News, this's you love, Chris Haynes, It's
time works time, it's some time.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
This League Uncut is underway and on fire. This should
be a good one. Finally, Friday post, fourth of July
edition of This League Uncut. Mark Stein here with Chris
Haynes as well as producer Ryan Music. I think we
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can safely say that most of the Marquis free agents
have found their new homes. There are still some notable
names out there, but even those notable names, most notably
Demart de Rosen, will need a sign in trade to
find a new home. So I think it's safe to
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say we have dribbled into the trade season portion of
the off season. But I am sure Chris Haynes is
ready for that. After the July fourth festivities at the
Hotel Haynes and Sacramento, which are always eventful, my July
fourth I was solo. My squad is in California. My
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oldest is in La Missus Lyne, and my youngest flew
out there to meet with him to be with him
for the holiday. So I can so I just stayed
behind and I'm working. Sad, sad state of affairs.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
You know. I can tell Producer Ron, I need you
to chime in. I'm sorry. Usually bring producer Ryan in
towards the end, but I need him chime in towards
right now. So Stein, what you're saying is valid. I
can tell your bunker down and you're working. And the
reason why I can tell because our listeners aren't going
(02:30):
to be able to tell. But this is the first
time Stein, you have to correct me. Does Stein Light
actually have a beer coming through? Do you see this? For?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
There is some some slightly above five o'clock shadow, what
I would call it scruff. There is no scruff coming through.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
This well, because there's a reason you've never seen it,
because it takes like weeks and weeks and weeks of
work just to get this far.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I've never seen this. It looks lined up and everything, Star,
look at.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You, man, It's definitely not lined I don't know what
the hell I'm doing, so, I don't know what camera
I've got, but it is. It is not lined up.
It is not properly manicured. It is not it is.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I don't believe what I'm just watching right here. What
I'm observing I've never seen. Stein is usually a clean cut.
He shaves everything clean faste.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No, No, you're you're miscasting.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Me, man, I don't I think I'm with I'm with
Chris Haynes here. This is this is a new look Stein,
and this is free agency.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
He is Sadly, it's the same old neurotic bag of
panic and nerve Stein. It's there is nothing, There is
nothing new. Sadly, I wish I wish there was some newness.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
This is weird. Star. It's been about I want to say,
because producer ryme, I have to give producer Ryan props credit.
He has one of the most pristine beard. You'll see
out there. He's really clean, like he has a good beer,
a good full beer, and he's shaved. When he shaves it,
he looks kind of weird every now and then, but
then it grows back really quick. But Stein, the Beard
(04:12):
Gang and producer Rye you may correct me, because I
tried to join. I got spots in my beard that
just don't grow out. But I mean I think it
still works. But the Beard Gang era has been around
for how long is Pluce Ryan by five years? Maybe
longer than that.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, I'd say like like seven years. It really started
to become like a like a cultural thing where people
got really into beards.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Okay, now, Stein, I'm seeing what you have here. I
see the potential. Why haven't you join Beard Gang?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
There's upside, you know, and the market is saying that
there's value in this uh, in this new look that
you have, Stein, why are we not investing and making
this a long term play?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You guys are acting like I don't want too well.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I mean we're saying we see, we're we are witnesses
to it being able to grow out. So why have
you always shaved it back?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Because this camera is so bad you guys cannot tell
how bad it looks.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I just give it a try, man, I think you.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I want I want to It's it's no hope, man,
there's no hope.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Star. It has more potential than you think style. That's
that's coming from us right here. Star, give it a try.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Because missus Stein is not a fan.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I think that's well, that's that's another thing. Well hold
on now you take it, okay? That would truth comes
out the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
But no, but I'm no, I'm going for what I would.
I would you know, that's that would not stop me.
That was really how it's really how bad it looks?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
And it looks it's it's it's not.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
There's nothing that a bunch of ass clippers couldn't fix
and couldn't clean up. Star, You'll be all right, man.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Man, I'm I wish we could bring in like an
expert to like give us a tutorial.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
We got producer Rye right here. He's an expert. He
has one of the best beers you'll see, and he's
telling you you can pull it off.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I think I think there's more potential there than you're
giving yourself credit for.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I would agree, And this is what our listeners come
in here for to hear about the struggling Beard stories.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Exactly exactly what they wanted, exactly what they wanted. On
July fifth, five days into free year. Okay, we are
gonna try to transition to some NBA news reporting the
latest we're hearing. But first we're going to do We're
going to play a little game first, and we are
eventually going to get to updates on DeMar DeRozan, on
(06:59):
Lowry marketing and brandon Ingram. We will get to all that.
But first, I thought, because things have certainly slowed down,
we are not getting transaction after transaction after transaction every second.
I mean, that really is what happens in modern free
agency now that once the moves start, I mean, one
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hundred guys by July second are either re signing or
signing elsewhere. That's just the way it is now, and
it's going to have to be trades. And with the
aprons that teams are dealing with, everybody's looking for trades
to get their team finances. In order we're gonna do,
it's gonna be a six pack. Of course. Another one
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of the dirty secrets of this show is that neither
Chris nor I drink at all. So I was gonna
say this should have been sponsored by a beer company,
but I'm gonna say that it should have been spoiled
like Chris Haynes is holding an official grant Hill Anthony
Edwards can of sprite, and I, of course far too
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addicted to coke and glass bottles. I wish this was
sponsored by Coca Cola in glass bottles only. That would
be an epic. That's what this should be, a six
pack in pristine glass. But this, this is gonna go unsponsored.
I'm gonna start with Chris Haynes. What we're gonna do.
We're gonna go back and forth three each a team
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whose business we liked in free agency, and then we're
gonna say either a team we flat out didn't like
or whose free agent strategy, whose draft slash free agent
strategy we're at least loudly and strongly questioning. So I'm
gonna let Chris Haynes go first from his Sacramento abode.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Tell me I was gonna ask good or bad first?
Does matter?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
First?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Up?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Number one? Tell me a team who's free agency you've loved.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Free agency that I've loved. Let me go with I mean,
I think it's probably the easiest pick. Let's go with
the Philadelphia seventy six ers. There's a couple other teams
I could have picked in that in that slot. But
what they did, this was a plan that they had
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ever since the beginning of this year calendar year twenty
twenty four. They had to wait, They had to stay
patient because obviously they couldn't do anything until July one
came around. Excuse me, June thirtieth came around, and so
really they were in a position where they had a
max caps spot, but there were not a lot of
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big name free agents here. We knew that the Philadelphia
seventy six ers won to bring in another Max caliber
player and the free agency landscape just didn't equal a
ton of them. They were able to get their number
one target, and everything panned out to where the Clippers,
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you know, had to part the play in it as
far as not giving Paul George what he desired, and
they made it happen and Paul George resigning. Kelly Oubrey
added Eric Gordon, I know I'm missing somebody else. And
Drummond and Andre Drummer, who was like his stock was
so high at the trade deadline in February, Like, so
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phil and they're still and the Sixers are still not done.
So you got to give them credit. On paper, everything
looks really good. Obviously they have to play on the court,
but free agency wise, during this transactional period, trades and everything,
Philadelphia seventy six Ers get an A from me thus far.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, look, there are still questions because they have to
fill out the roster. There are depth uesquestions as we speak,
because they're down to minimums now and gonna have to
get more guys on this team. But I mean you
said it. I think the plan actually goes all the
way back to last summer. Tyrese Maxey wanted a Max
deal and the Sixers had to go to him and say, listen,
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we need you to wait, we need you to hold
off a whole year because we're going to turn this
cap space into something special. But the truth is, if
they didn't get Paul George in free agency, that's something
special was going to have to come via trade, which
would have been a lot tougher to execute, because in
terms of free agents, Paul George really was in a
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class by himself. Unless you thought Lebron James was gonna
switch teams, and I don't think anybody really believed that
there was any hope of Lebron switching teams. I mean,
for in terms of free agents who were going to move,
who were potentially in play to land a new address,
Paul George was far and away the number one option,
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and the Sixers got it done. So you have to
give them serious credit for not just convincing Paul George
to move across the country when there was a lot
of skepticism around the league that he would ever be
willing to do that. But they kept Maxi on board
with this plan. Maxi went out and had an All
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Star season and then he got his Max deal, So
I mean it really worked out to the Sixers dreams.
To put it frankly, I mean, this was the dream
a scenario, and again they're gonna have to prove it
on the floor. There have been durability questions facing both
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Paul George and Joel Embiid that those guys are gonna
have to dispel. And again they made some nice moves
to get commitments from Eric Gordon, Andre Drummond, bring back
Kelly Eubray, but they still need a lot more to
fill out the rest of the roster, but they will.
Darryl Morey is an expert at that kind of stuff.
(13:07):
They've done the hard work here and so yeah, I
think for any questions you could raise, even if you
think Boston and New York are better than the Sixers
going into next season, and there will be some pundits
who say that because of the Knicks and all the
moves they've made, the Knicks will be higher on some
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in some projections around the league than Philly will. But
there is an elite top three in the East right
now and the Sixers are undeniably part of it, and
kudos to them. My selection, I think is an even
more obvious choice, though Oklahoma City to make the moves
they've made to get Caruso, giving up only Josh Giddy
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and no draft compensation to sign Isaiah Hartenstein to a
big deal, but a deal that it's at their option
in year three and will not mess with the long
term finances as the thunder have to start extending some
of their younger players on longer deals. I mean, they've
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addressed their rebounding, they've gotten better on the perimeter, and
at a time when I think really, only the Dallas
Mavericks in the West can conclusively say apart from Oklahoma City,
only Dallas right now can conclusively say that they got
stronger in the off season. Among the West's top contenders,
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Oka See unquestionably got stronger, and every team I talked
to when the subject turns to favored in the West,
it's the Thunder, It's the Thunder. It's the Thunder who still,
by the way, have a bazillion draft picks to continue
to make moves so huge off season in Oklahoma City, I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
A little bit surprised that you have OKAC at the time.
Top I get it. You make valid you make valid
points right there. Definitely, them going out there and picking
up Isaiah was a big that's a big punch for them.
That's definitely gonna help. He's a veteran guy. They need
his his rebounding, his girth, So he's gonna he's going
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to pay if he's if he's healthy, he's gonna pay
huge dividends for that team because they're still learning how
to win and they're only going to grow from there.
Still have cat space to do what they to see
if there's something else that can be done. I definitely
get I've definitely put okay see in Okay see in
the conversation. I'm surprised you put them so high off
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the top, but I get it, I get it valid points.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, I think it's just because they retain so much
optionality too. I mean that's the thing. Like I just,
I guess I'm giving away one of my other answers
when I talk about this, but I just I continue
to just be flabbergasted at the G for Caruso trade
and that there's just no draft compensation whatsoever in that
(16:06):
deal when we know, I mean, you said it on
this podcast, and I want people to remember you said
this days ago. This League Uncut listeners heard this Tuesday,
not Friday. They heard it Tuesday. Chris B. Haynes reported
that DeMar de Rozan's tenure was over. And it wasn't
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the first time that you've reported this. Other part you've reported,
you reported on NBA TV, You've been reporting it for
I think you said it on this podcast even last week.
The Bulls have prioritized trying to find a trade for
zach Lavine before even getting to DeMar de Rosen, And
now it seems like there's an even wider gulf between
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the sides. But if you're gonna trade zach Lavine, you
need to attach picks to it. And that's why it
would have been nice to get Can you get two
seconds in that caruse so forgiddy deal. But again, I'm
jumping ahead because the ball is in your court to choose.
I hope I didn't just ruin your answer.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Tell me a team that either you flat out do
not like what we've seen from them in the draft
and free agency, or you just loudly question what they
have done so far.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I'm going to go. I don't think I might surprise
you with this, but I'm going to go with Denver
because losing KCP was a major, a major blow.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I'm with you. That was also my number one choice,
so I'm totally with you.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, that was a major blow and there's really no fault. Listen,
it's really no I was told that the Nuggets are
working under a certain dollar figure in keeping the roster afloat.
What I mean by that is there's just a number
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that they cannot crossover that goes above the head of coaches,
goes above the head of management. So who's over management
there you go. So it's unfortunate because this is a
team that won the championship just two years ago. They
arguably had the best start in five unit over the
last few years. The continuity was unmatched. And you're losing KCP,
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one of the best three D defenders, one of the
glue guys of that team. You can't replace them. There's
nobody on that roster as of right now that is
ready to take on prime minutes. I don't believe there is,
and they're just not in a position to do it well.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
They clearly do. They clearly think Christian Brown can.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
He has to, But they didn't even trust Christian Brown
in the playoffs. Went really got tough. They stuck with
their five. They their bitch. They went six and a
half in the playoffs. So you know, you're you're hoping
it's not you know, you know there are some young
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guys who you see that you see them on the
cusp of being a really good contributor the year prior
to next year. You just expect them to take that leap.
I don't know that I expect Christian Brown to take
the leap. He's going to have to. If the Denver
Nuggets want to stay a title contended team, but I
don't know if they're that team anymore. I'm serious, Like
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they've lost, you know what, they lost in Bruce Brown,
Jeff Green the off season before that, and now KCP
is starter, and there's really nothing they can do right
now to try to repair that or replace that. You know,
I know there's chatter about the Denver Nuggets being interested
in Russell Westbrook, and I don't know how I view that.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Let mean, look at that price, at the price start
going to get him at a minimum level price or
maybe a little higher. That's no big I mean, it's
worth the gamble. But the Nuggets need shooting. They desperately
need shooting, and Russell Westbrook is not going to supply shooting.
And I don't know how much defensively he can really
do to replace. Again, like you said, this is not
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just KCP. It's Bruce Brown and KCP in back to
back summers.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's tough. Jeff Green was big too. Jeff
Green was big too. Yeah, it's tough. And so you know, again,
like I can't I don't know, you know, I don't
know that I can confault the Denver Nuggets management for this,
I think the decision to let KCP go was over
their head.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, it's I really feel for Nuggets fans because this franchise,
it was an ABA powerhouse, but in the NBA they
waited fifty something years to get a championship. And since
the championship, we've now seen Bruce Brown, KCP, Jeff Green,
They've all departed, and you've got Jokic, who is still
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regarded by many as the best player on the planet.
They're going to extend Jamal Murray, who is now going
to get a massive contract of his own. If those
two guys are healthy, they're still going to be up
there in the West. But yeah, sobering. You know, had
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KCP been had he received some crazy expensive offer from
Orlando or Philly, it might have been easier to understand.
But a three year, sixty six million dollar deal, yes,
it would have put Denver in some immediate luxury tax jeopardy.
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But you would have liked to think that they could
have dealt with a contract of that size and then
made some other moves to get out of tax range.
I mean, KCP is going to be a big loss
and a big boost to Orlando. Orlando's strategy was the
Magic have tons of cap space. They just want to
bring in one new difference maker, bring back all their
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own free agents, and you know, proceed a little bit
more slowly. But KCP is going to help Orlando. I mean,
that's what's so tough about the East is that not
only do you have this top three with Boston and
New York and Philly all looking so good on paper,
but Indiana went to the conference finals. And I think
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they're going to get better just by virtue of their
main guys getting older and having more time alongside Pascal
Siakam and now Orlando. Orlando has certainly helped itself. So
I'm with you there. I would have picked Denver first,
because you picked Denver first, I think you can guess
my choice. I am going with Chicago again and I
I've already covered it, but you know, again, they could
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have The Bulls could have traded Andre Drummond for some
draft compensation in February. They certainly could have traded Caruso
for a lot more than they got. Josh Giddy is
going to have to have a major bounce back for
this trade to look better, and you know they're having
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no luck finding a trade market for zach Lavine, who
they've been trying to move since before Thanksgiving, and now Derozen.
We'll see what happens in the DeRozan talks. You know,
can they find a workable sign in trade. They don't
want to take back any salary, so it's probably gonna
take three teams. You know, we'll see if they can
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get something meaningful back in a DeRozan sign and trade.
But yeah, I uh, let's just say, even living in Dallas,
the frustration of Bulls fans from Chicago is tangible.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Mm hmmm, Chicago. The only right reason I wouldn't have
picked Chicago in this scenario is we know, we knew
the direction they were headed. I got we knew they
were going to go to rebuild. They're not going to
come out and fly out and say that's what they're doing.
But you know, I expected that. I didn't expect them
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to be active. I didn't expect them to be able
to come away with a haul for zach Lavine. The
way things were going with tomorrow, we kind of knew
we were in this direction, so you know, all this
is expected to me. But uh, definitely they're taking if
if they don't want to call it a rebuild. They're
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definitely taking a retooling of an era.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Now, yeah, it's long overdue. I mean, these this is
the direction they should have gone. I don't know what's
taken so long. That's my main issue with it is that,
you know, look, Ken Giddy with a fresh start, be
a much more productive player than we saw at the
end in Oklahoma City. It's gonna have to happen. But
Kobe White was fantastic. I mean, he really had a
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great season last season. So this is the right direction
for the Bulls to pivot in this way, take a
step back, focused on the young guys. But it just
they just waited so long. So let's see if they
can do something. Let's see maybe they find a Levine
trade and a good DeRozan sign in trade to make
me eat my words. But I'm I mean, how many shows,
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how many weeks, how many stories? How many times have
you and I talked about zach Lavine possibly being traded?
I mean, this is literally gone. Zach Lavine was the
first All Star level player last season who emerged as available,
and his availability really kicked off trade season. The end
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season portion of trade season that was again early November,
and here we are heading for mid July and summer
League and there's still no closer to finding a deal
for him. Obviously, an injury intervened in that scenario, and
Levine opted for season ending foot surgery. But it's been
a long time, all.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Right, Stin, I'm gonna have to call halftime. Let's let's
go to halftime right now. I want to go to
halftime to discuss something that I find very peculiar, interesting,
maybe a little weird. I don't know Producer Ryan, Tony
(26:42):
and Michael, Producer Ryan.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
So when he audibles like this, I get so nervous.
Producer Ryan, like this, This was not anywhere near the script.
So go ahead, let's let's say ducking. I'm ducking for
what this is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Embrace it, Embrace, embrace it. Producer Ryan. Will you please
go to Twitter and go to the handle at the
NBA alert. Are you familiar with this handle? Stein, Yes,
so you are, Producer Ryan. This Twitter handle follows all
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the NBA players, follows NBA media, and it checks and
it keeps record instantly the moment you follow somebody new
or the moment you unfollow somebody or the moment you
like something. So this was the account that I guess
you could call it broke. This was the account that
(27:44):
broke where lebron unfollowed Kendrick Perkins. Then it was a
couple of weeks later lebron unfollowed Rachel Nichols. I guess,
and it goes on and on. It's like you could
just keep looking. Yes, sure, I'm in there as well.
Following christ I started following Christa's persingers and whatever. This
(28:06):
is like, I just want to know how how does
somebody do? Like what how can you? Because I be
like they I'm trying to see how many what's there following?
They have.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Seventy forty three thousand, forty three.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Thousand people are following them, and the account reads in
the bio follow what NBA players, coaches, GMS, reporters, and
teams are doing on X. This is a strange, but
I guess could be considered a useful resource depending on
(28:43):
who you are. I guess, like, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I have never I just asked what moved you to
call a time out right now to discuss this.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Because somebody hit me up pretty recently about who I
unfollow and so I didn't know anything about this.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Chris Haynes has unfollowed the Stein line.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I didn't know. I didn't know anything about this, Like
this is crazy, okay, props Listen. That shows you in
the social media era, you could find a niche wherever,
find a niche wherever, and run with it and go
build you a following. That's that's what I do like
about the lad over the last ten years with the
(29:30):
apps and ubers, like think of stein Stein and Ryan.
I was talking to my wife about this for years,
for years. Stein. I remember when I started covering the
league in twenty and ten and the first four and
a half years I got around in taxis. But you
guys know how complicated taxis are. Like you caught, I
(29:53):
got a call, I got arranged from them to be
at my hotel, to be at my house. A lot
of times they show up late. Sometimes they don't show
up at all. You don't know where they're at, you
don't know if they're midway coming. It's just it's crazy,
especially after a game late at night. I'll be in Denvers,
it's snow, it's cold, and you don't know the taxi
(30:14):
don't know where to come meet you at because there's
nobody to talk to. But my point is the taxi
system has had hundreds of years to monopolize the concept
of getting people around. And what did they do. They
sat on their butts and they robbed us because you know,
(30:36):
they've robbed us of these fees, these crazy fees for
riding taxis. They rob you And what did that do?
Uber came And I remember the first person who told
me about Uber. It was Dave mcminnimon when we were
recovering the calves in Cleveland two. Dave was the first one.
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And you know how, I'll just say how I am.
I'm not gonna talk to all people. I'm not easy,
Like it's not going It's not easy for me to
just try something new and just go with it. So
the thought of Uber just seemed crazy to me. It's like,
what a random person who has no experience driving is
just gonna drive me around? Like what my credit card
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is just attached to this company? What so it took?
You know? So? And Dave would tell me like, yeah,
try it out. It's way cheaper than the taxi and
lo and behold. I eventually tried it out, probably six
months later, tried it out, and I thought, wow, why
did I think of this? The taxi company and now
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taxis they hate ubers. They can't stand Uber drivers because
they charge they charging half of what the taxis are.
I can actually know where my Uber is at. I
actually can see it. I can follow where they're at.
I can communicate with them. The taxi industry had it
hundreds of years to figure this out and they failed.
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And now Uber and what's the other one? Uber? And
on what's the other lift? Lyft? Now Uber and Lyft
have monopolized and taken over, and I say props to them.
So that's why I'm saying with FOD thinking that I
don't I don't know if you guys see the connection
between this NBA alert account.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I see no connection whatsoever. I see no connection. I'm
still reeling from the I'm still reeling from the Beard
discussion at the beginning. But how what inspired you to
call this time out? I looked at I looked at
the NBA alert, figuring, okay, one of their three most
recent tweets must have been Chris Haynes has unfollowed blah
(32:43):
blah blah. But no, there's no Chris Haynes mentioned there
so it's like, what sparked this.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Stein, This is one of those situations where as the
kids say, you gotta just let him cook, Let him cook,
let him do his thing, let me.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Cook and then taste taste what I'm cooked, then decide
if it was worthy of me cooking or not. You
know that. Meanwhile, let me see.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You weren't even halfway through the six pack game. We
were only at four. We need nine. We weren't even
halfway through and you called time out. This is like,
this is like you you wasted a challenge in the
first quarter.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
So now I don't have any more changes left.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, and it's Game seven of the NBA Finals, and
you wasted a challenge in the first quarter.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
We can proceed. We can start the third quarter.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
My bad man, Ryan. That was Ryan, Come on, back
me up. That was the craziest time out, that.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
One that I'm with you, Stein, When I thought he
was gonna say, hey, check.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Out, there is a through line. It leads Chris Haynes
to the tangent, but I am really struggling to identify.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I thought there was gonna be something close to the
top of the timeline that was like, hey, we were
just talking about the bulls and did you.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
See Yeah, they stopped Mary followed carnitionist something, but no,
we ended up on the taxi industry and what and
what Uber has done to the taxi industry. If you
can connect those dots, you are wasting your time as
producer of this show. You should be a scientist, a
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top top universe.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I think.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I think the thing because all agree on is what
you observed Stein is that. Props to Dave mcmahdaman for
discovering Reman.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Didn't know when he woke up today that he was
going to get credit for breaking the scoop of Uber
rewriting the taxi industry.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Well to put a bow on it. Basically, what I
was saying is basically what I was saying is there's
always a way to be innovative and creative and to
find a laye that you could capitalize in. So that's
where I was going with that. Guys.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Oh, and with that, I'm going to ask you to
give me your second team in free agency. Who has
wowed you with their moves? Maybe not maybe maybe they
have not have wowed you to the level of Uber,
but yes, who who do you like? Who do you like?
Who who else besides the Philadelphia seventy six ers in
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the Oklahoma City Thunder, they are off the board. Who's
off season business has impressed you? Beyond those two teams.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I'm keeping it in the East, I'm going with the
New York Knickerbockers. Yeah, re signing o G trading for Bridges.
They did lose Isaiah, but that's a that's a product
of what they went after and who they went after.
I should say, but the Knicks have definitely retooled. They're
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a better team. I still believe they're a better team.
They have to find them a backup be it, but
they will. There's a there's a there's a solid bigs
out there still left out on the market.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Who is the bigger threat to Boston? The Knicks for
the Sixers, I guess you would say, you would say
if you picked the Sixers, I guess you would go
six Ers.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
See. See, I was going to correct you, not correct you,
but I was going to interject when you made that
statement about the top three in the East, because if
I brought my good friend Dame Dollar on this show
and asked him about the top three, well, if I
not asked him, if I told him that mark Stein
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said the top three is Boston, New York and Philly.
He would cuss you out mark Stein right there on
the spot.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I think we need to bring him on the show.
We had we have not had it. I mean, I think, look,
it's the summer and he probably needs a break, even
from you. But I think you could remind him that
the one time he's been on the show, he did
win the three point contest. Hours later, Maybe talking to
us again wouldn't be the worst thing, because listen, I
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mean yeah, I mean, I you know, or jumping a.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Little bit like our chances of convincing him to come
on after you've already said the top three in the East, Boston,
New York can fields.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Okay, so I'm the only one saying that the Bucks
might have something to worry about here. With the moves
that the Knicks and the Sixers have made and the
Celtics doing deals to re sign all their guys, the
Celtics are bringing back pretty much their a whole team
that just won it all. And I do think, you know,
I wouldn't have Boston necessarily on my list of the
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three most impressive teams because I want to bring some
some new teams into this discussion. And the Celtics just
won the championship, so they're getting plenty of props. But
you have to ask the question about Boston, how good
are they gonna be when now Tatum and Brown don't
have to hear the whole basketball world doubting their abilities.
How liberating is that gonna be for those guys to
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play as defending champions rather than a team that we
questioned because we haven't seen them do it. So it's
not a direct I'm not directing this at Dame himself,
but I mean the Bucks. They got a lot of
questions to answer.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I'm getting a text from Dame, Now what.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Are he's taping this and sending him Clippers?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I should send him some motivation up? I should? You
know what it was? He texts in the group chat
that we're in just now. But Stein, I give you
that nobody, nobody, let's put the Boston Celtics in their
own class. They are number one. Nobody is arguing about
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the Boston Celtics. You know how I admire Jason Tatum.
You know how I admire that guy, Love that guy,
Jaylen Brown, solid stud, Derek White, the whole crew of
there in Boston. Legit legitimate guys, legitimate championship contender once again.
Now New York and Philly. I put New York in
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there because I just like the makeup of their team.
But the same issues that played Milwaukee for the bulk
of this past year was that they were just unfamiliar
with each other. They had to figure out how to
play with one another. Philly is going to have to
deal with that, and the Knicks are going to have
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to deal with that, even though I know the Villanova
crew is back. But these are different. These are different players.
These are players with now who have egos. These are
players now who have fame. They expect to be able
to produce and put up big numbers. So you still
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have to work with that. Now, with that being said,
I won't argue with you. I'm just saying, hey, you
can't dismiss Milwaukee because Dame is going to be back
better than he was the past year. Him and Beannis
will get together a little bit more. You know, the
Olympics is going to kind of mess mess up some
plans that they did have, but they'll they'll get more
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reps in than they did going into training. Cup last year.
So I'm just I'm just not dismissing Milwaukee. So I
would probably say Boston, New York, Philly, and Milwaukee tie
for third. That's that's kind of how it would go go.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, I guess the way I look at it is
I do like the Knicks depth better than the sixer
situation because look, Joel Embiid and Paul George have both
missed considerable time. It's happened way more than once, and
so I do think there is value in the depth approach.
So I would give the Knicks the slight edge. But
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I look on the Bucks, I don't think it was
just continuity. I think it was continuity and health. So
let's see. I know the Bucks are banking on the
idea that Doc Rivers coaching this team from the start
of the season dame not just showing up three seconds
before training camp starts and actually having a full training camp,
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a full offseason to get ready for that training camp,
and the continuity that he and Giannis can build. But look,
Giannis the last two seasons has not been healthy at
the end. Chris Middleton bounced back and played really well
in the playoffs, but he dealt with injuries all season long,
and the biggest thing about the Bucks that worries me,
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it's just they have such limited flexibility and limited trade
assets to make changes, and they clearly want to make changes.
Those rumbles have been out there that Doc Rivers would
like to make alterations to the supporting cast. Are they
going to trade Brook Lopez or bring Brook Lopez back?
So in Milwaukee there are a lot of question marks
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and a lot of uncertainty, and the top of the
East has just gotten way way tougher. My other team,
my team that I would list second, I'm gonna go
a little untraditional here. Again. You could say Boston because
they brought everybody back. But I gotta take my hat
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off to Cleveland. The Cavaliers had to deal with a
lot of noise about Donovan Mitchell. Not just for me,
I think it was league wide. There were questions all
season about what happens in Cleveland if Donovan Mitchell doesn't
sign this extension, and there were many many teams out
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there monitoring this. I think the Miami Heat were at
the front of the line hoping that there would be
no extension so they could make a trade run at
Donovan Mitchell. But props to the Cavaliers. Amid a lot
of skepticism, they got that extension done with Donovan Mitchell.
He is committed to the Calves on a three year deal.
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It's a player option in year three, but that is
mostly because he wants to get to ten years of
service in the league and be eligible for a much
richer deal. I don't want to sit here and say
that the Calves have figured everything out because Evan Mobley
is also eligible for an extension. With Kenny Atkinson coming
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in there now as the coach. When you talk to
other teams, they say that Cleveland is even more determined
now to keep Jared Allen, So Atkinson is going to
have to find a way to make Allen and Mobley
function better together as a twosome on the floor, and
then Darius Garland. All the signals are that the Calves
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don't want to break up their main four guys, but
that doesn't stop other teams from around the league looking
at that situation and trying to anticipate. Is Garland, you know,
we've heard the rumbles. Would their camp actually ask to
be moved if Donovan Mitchell comes back, because there might
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not be room for all four of them. It's you know,
this is in the league chatter phase. There's no you know,
we haven't heard of any definitive declarations from Darius Garland
or his camp about wanting to be elsewhere. But the
questions about those four as a fit still persist. As
a four man core of a team, those questions now
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fall to Kenny Atkinson to work through. But at its core,
you have to give the Calves huge credit, huge props
for hushing all the noise and convincing Donovan Mitchell to
re up, because again, Miami would have been at the
front of the line trying to trade for him if
there was no extension, and I'm sure there would have
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been other teams.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Hey, I'm glad you confessed to that. Styn. Yes, you
were one of the ones who said or thought Donovan
Mitchell was going to be out and Mark Stein there was.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
That.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
That's not no I said, and I wrote, I wrote
it many times. What I said was if the Calves
were unable to get his signature on an extension, that
would force them to explore the trade market and until
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the playoffs, really until after the playoffs. I think it
was in May that we started getting the first real
certifiable signals of optimism in Cleveland that they were going
to get that extension commitment from Donovan Mitchell. But again,
we didn't get that till May. So I think in
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February before the deadline, teams were talking about it, and
rightfully so, because it wasn't clear in February that the
extension was going to happen as we expect to see
it now out here after Saturday, once the moratorium lifts
Saturday at twelve oh one Eastern, the Cavs can actually
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formally sign Donovan Mitchell to that extension. But go ahead.
I didn't mean to call time out on you.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
No, No, you had the Claire for you wanted. You
wanted to make sure your voice was heard and heard accurately.
So I give you that. That's fine. What I was
going to say, you saw there was a two minute
video clip. I guess media, our media colleagues are peers
just going sound bites from the past.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Off, I didn't see.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
It, Okay, off of announcing used it sound bites from
the past from numerous media folks, Folks saying that Donam
is going to be gone. There's not a chance Donamin
is coming back. Cleveland should do something. Blah blah blah.
So I was going to play with you and say
you should have been in there.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
You should have been Yeah, I mean that's it. Am
I in there? I don't think I don't think they're
not in there.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
But you're not in there because you didn't actually say that.
You said exactly what. Uh you know, you said that
if they didn't get an extension, they had no choice
but to do so.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, and they couldn't. I mean, you know that, And
that was they obviously if they didn't get the extension.
You can't let Donovan Mitchell go into his final season
and then become a free agent and just you open
yourself up to the potential that he walks. But again,
props to the Calves. There were a lot of doubters
about them getting this extension commitment from Donovan Mitchell, and
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they did, and now they can really plot their course
on how to proceed. So they are they are a
definite winner of this offseason.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
How many more rounds we have left?
Speaker 1 (47:37):
We still? I mean, if producer, I don't know, we've
we've gone kind of along here. With that twenty minute
timeout on the taxi, it.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Was my twenty it was twenty minutes. Huh. That's a
twenty minute time out. Huh.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
And the beard the beard detour at the beginning, So
we have we have lost some of our man. God,
it's already. Oh man, I'm running out of time.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Yes, you said Stine, hold on you you're you're usually
a man of word. Now, everybody here. It is four
twelve California time. Stein said when we started, before we
start this pot, we're going to finish at four fifteen,
which means we have three minutes left. Are you gonna
be a man of your worst?
Speaker 1 (48:14):
No, we are going We're definitely going over three minutes.
But like I need to go somewhere. So it's like,
we're only gonna get fifteen more minutes, and so we are.
I am calling an audible. The game is now only
gonna have two rounds. So you can hit me with
one more team whose business you either hated or loudly questioned,
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and then I will give you mine and we will.
We have hit on a lot of teams though, so
I think we've we've we've we've covered close to half
the league. I think we've named By the time we finished,
we will have named or we will have we will
have discussed at least fifteen teams here. But give me
a team whose business you did not like.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Okay, Well, there's two teams that I'm picking from. Two teams,
and since this is the final round, I may cheat
a little bit, but na, I'll stick with I'll stick
with one. So I'm picking between. I'm gonna tell you
the two teams. I'm picking between between the Golden State
Warriors and the Los Angeles Clippers. And the reason I'm
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hesitant on both of those fronts to bash them because
they still potentially, potentially can pull something out here where
their off season may look pretty good. So that's what
concerns me about attacking one of those two teams right now.
(49:42):
Uh So with that being said, God, I'm gonna go
with the Uh, I'm gonna go with the Los Angeles Clippers,
because I really do think the Golden State Warriors can
pull something out. Still. The Los Angeles Clippers, they've known
this whole time about Paul, the Paul George situation. The
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question I have is if we will ever get this answered. Honestly,
did they even want to keep Paul George? I know
they got fatigued with the back and forth and negotiations
and Paul george stance not budgeing. And I know Paul
George in his camp felt the same way about the
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Clippers not budget, but I wonder if they really wanted
him back. And regardless if they wanted him back or not,
you can't lose a guy like that for nothing, you can't.
And I know they can, you know, say hey, we
don't want to get to that Apron. There's tax implications.
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They're not going to be They're not going to be
the team that they were. Even though the team that
they were didn't reach expectations, there's still was an expectation.
That expectation no longer exists. You got Tyron Lew there,
and he's definitely going to maximize the talent. But the Clippers,
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I think I believe they dropped the ball on how
they handled the Paul George situation. Uh, you know, they're
trying to piece some things together, you know, ad Adamson,
you know added Nick Patoon, They've added Kevin Porter, they
added Jones. Yeah, yeah, that's right, Yeah, Derek Jones Jr.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Chris Dunn is reported by Chris Haynes of TNT.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Yeah, Chris, Dunn. Yeah, it's not, Paul George. You lost
them for nothing. So yeah, they they're they're the team.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Well look, obviously what they would argue is losing a
guy for nothing in the modern landscape means you're not
going into the second apron, So it isn't completely nothing.
I mean, look, I think and that you know, I'm
maybe you know, I'm I'm going to disappoint you now
because I'm kind of fudging with this answer too, because
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like I think, both the Clippers and the Warriors, you
would put them in the we're going to question their
strategy right now, because even more so in the Warriors case.
I mean, I never thought it would get to this
point where Klay Thompson left them, And now when I
look back at it, the signs really were there all
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season long, the discontent from Klay Thompson being offered a
two year deal just shy of fifty million. He didn't
take it, he felt disrespected, and it just unraveled from there.
And now with the benefit of hindsight, you really can
see that he needed a fresh start, wanted a fresh start,
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and now has that in Dallas. But the Warriors have
made some pretty good contingency moves to get them through
the short term, to bring in the Anthony Melton, Kyle Anderson,
and Buddy Healed on team friendly terms. And we know
the Warriors did try really hard to trade for Paul George.
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They did chase Lowry Marketing very hard. They continue to
have interest in lowry marketing, and look, I think you know,
we're kind of folding in our updates on future guys
into this discussion. We talked a lot already about Jamar Deroz,
and we said we were going to save that for
the end, and we ended up talking about him sooner.
But there's a lot of teams interested in lowry marketing
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right now. I'm not sure that Utah is really ready
to trade lowry Marketing right now, they're going to listen
because the Jazz can't renegotiate and extend on marketing until
August sixth by league rules, so they still have a
month here to just evaluate what's out there for them
on the market. Teams can make their pitches, the Jazz
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can field those offers and then decide what to do.
I still think Utah would prefer to re sign Lowry
Marketing because they have a much better chance of getting
a big trade haul back for him if he's on
a long term deal. Right now, Lowry Markin is entering
the last year of his contract. It's only an eighteen
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million dollar number for next season, so teams that want
him via trade, they don't have team control for more
than a season, and at eighteen mil, you're not getting back.
You don't have the optionality to get as much back
in terms of high level talent. So it just strikes me,
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and I've heard this from some teams as well, that
it just seems it would make more sense that Utah
would want to move market in after doing a new
deal with him. So again, I think it's difficult to
just say Golden State has completely fumbled because Clay Thompson
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is going to join the Dallas Mavericks in a sign
and trade, because the Warriors have made some nice moves
to increase their depth and possibly even have a better
team than they've had the last two seasons in the
short term, and we know given their actions here before
the draft and since the draft, I think the Warriors
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have shown that they are still trying to be aggressive
in terms of making upgrades, whereas the Clippers. The questions
about their strategy are louder. I think there really is
something to what you threw out there. Was it really
more the Clippers deciding above everything that the Kawhi Leonard
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and Paul George partnership had gone as far as it
could go, And that after five years, after winning only
three rounds in the playoffs in those five years, after
Kawhi not being able to finish the season healthy the
last three four seasons, were the Clippers really just as much?
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Which there are incredible team building restrictions when you go
into that second apron. Are the Clippers moving into a
reset because they just didn't want to keep paying for
this highly expensive duo that, Yes, they were very successful
on some levels, took the Clippers to their first ever
conference finals, but really never got close to winning a championship.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Yeah, and that's why And again that's why I picked
the Clippers over the Warriors in this scenario, because I
think the Warriors still can do some things to make
their offseason look pretty good. And yes, Adam, Buddy Hill,
Milton Kyle Andedison, those are good solid pieces. Buddy Hills
one of the best three point shooters. Maybe Buddy can
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come in and fill that production the outside production that
Klay Thompson provided for over a decade. Maybe we'll see
Buddy Hill's always top leaders in three points made per
season the last five or six years. You know what,
when you think about what Golden State has done or
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what they haven't done, you know, Clay is the highlight.
But also that Chris Paul, you know, allowing Chris Paul's
deal to expire and not get anything, get anything from
that when that was Chris. Acquiring Chris Paul's contract was
the central component of trading away Jordan Poole. So you know,
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I know people look at it. Warriors fans may look
at it. We traded, we traded Jordan Poole. We didn't
get anything back but a year of Chris Paul, you know.
So it's things like that. But again I can see
the silver lining and what the Warriors are trying to do.
So that's that's why I ultimately decided to pick the
Clippers in this in this aspect.
Speaker 1 (57:57):
Well as you noted, although like I said, I think
it was of the unexpected turns, the unexpected twists and
turn that this edition of this league uncut took. We've
had to my original plan, the original plan for the
show was I was going to ask Chris Haynes was
going to nominate three teams whose off season business he
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really liked, three teams who's off season business he either
outright didn't like or strongly question. I was going to
do the same. I think we still ended up talking
about at least half the league, but we didn't get
to round three because the clock is running short on us,
and I just want to make sure before we go,
because again, I do think we are now moving into
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the trade season portion of the off season. It won't
be long before the whole league is in Vegas and
when there are face to face discussions, which become much
easier in Vegas when we're all there. That certainly doesn't
hurt trade discussions. So I mean the big things I
think people will be looking for. Again, Utah cannot renegotiate
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and extend with Lowry Markinen until August sixth, So that
leaves the door open for the various teams that have
tried to chase him in trade talks. It gives them
the chance to keep going, keep throwing offers at Utah,
keep testing Danny Ainge's resolve before that extension window opens. Priority.
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Number one I think is DeMar Derozen and where he
ends up in a sign and trade. Chris Haynes again
called this for you on Tuesday, more than seventy two
hours ago. By the time this podcast drops, that DeMar
de Rozan's tenure in Chicago is over. He is going
elsewhere via sign and trade. We just don't know yet
where that is. Also Miles Bridges in Charlotte. The Hornets
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want to keep Miles Bridges. I reported the other day
that Cleveland should be categorized at least as a team
to watch in terms of sign and trade. Our good
friend Brad Turner the La Times. He reported earlier this
week that the Clippers also have some sign and trade
interest in Miles Bridges. And then I think Brandon Ingram,
who is a player both you and I have reported
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about quite a bit here in the last several weeks.
The expectation only grows that the Pelicans would move him
before the start of the season. Again, exactly where that
has not revealed itself, That is not yet clear, But
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it's reached the point to my knowledge that on Ingram side,
it's become apparent that the Pelicans are not going to
offer him what he was hoping for in extension talk.
So I think even from Ingram side, there is at
the very least exploration of what the trade options are
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because it just doesn't look like he's going to get
the number from the Pelicans in an extension that he
was hoping for, and that naturally is going to open
the door and increase the chances of a trade. So
the floor is now yours again to talk about any
of those guys. You want DeRozan, Marketing bridges, Ingram.
Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
DeRozan, Let's let's get on DeRozan. DeRozan is there's a
few teams that are still trying to explore how to
acquire him. I told you guys here a couple of
days ago, you know, with the with the with the
cap space that's out there that's available for the most part,
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full mid level exceptions, Damar is not taking anything. He's
not considering any type of contract like that. So I
said it was going to take a team getting creative
come up with the cap space. So teams that I
know that are exploring that possibility, Sacramento Kings, the Miami Heat,
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and the Los Angeles Clippers. Those are teams that are
exploring ways to try to come up with an avenue
to obtain Damar DeRozan via a sign and trade, which
would involve a third team. The third team involved in
that the third team is that's probably gonna be the
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most problematic aspect of locating that third team. Is it
San Antonio? Is it Detroit? Where you get that cap space?
So that's that's the conundrum as of right now. But
whatever team can locate and get reaching the terms on
a deal for that third team, that's who's gonna come
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away with DeMar DeRozan.
Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
All Right, you know what, Since there have been so
many curve balls in this show to throw me off
my stride, I think we're gonna leave it there because
I am now officially late for where I am headed next.
But also, and more importantly for listeners of this show,
I think we kind of ended last one with strong
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DeRozan thoughts. They were certainly near the end. And so
let's make it two for two this week. Let's have
the Chris Haynes latest forecast on DeMar DeRozan's future. Let's
make that the bow on this show. This wild and
unpredictable and at times chaotic edition of This League uncut.
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As always, please remember to rate the show, review the show.
We would love a five star review after Chris Haynes's
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And we will be back together again, very very soon.
We're also excited because we're gonna be in Vegas together soon. Chris.
Of course, we'll be on the sideline of various Summer
League games. I'll be getting to Sin City a little
bit later than that. But it'll be great to see
you because even though we did see each other in
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Dallas at the finals, we didn't get enough time. We
didn't get enough time to hang out in Vegas. In Vegas,
I am quite sure we will have one to two
proper meals together.
Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
And hopefully a nice big meal that's free at some
point in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Don't say anymore, say less as the kids say say less.
Did I get that right, Producer Ryan? Is that what
the kids say?
Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
That is one hundred percent exactly what the kids are saying.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Love it? And I'm sure if I'm wrong or if
you're wrong, a listener or three will let us know
all right. That is going to do it for this
edition of This League uncut Like I said, Chris and I,
we will be doing this again very very soon. Until then,
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Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Lock up
Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Chris Hanes and Mark Stein
NBA Free Agency dribbles on it's time to do a
little bit of review. Teams whose business we loved, Teams
whose business we either flat out haven't liked or we're
loudly questioning. Plus, of course, what do you expect Chris
Haynes throwing curveballs at me that I'm flailing at I
don't even know how to handle. And we also will
(00:22):
work in the latest on lowry marketing, on brandon Ingram
and of course the Marta Rosen. All that's next on
a brand new edition of This League Uncut.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to This League Uncut in the rule of twenty
four hour NBA News, this's you love, Chris Haynes, It's
time works time, it's some time.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
This League Uncut is underway and on fire. This should
be a good one. Finally, Friday post, fourth of July
edition of This League Uncut. Mark Stein here with Chris
Haynes as well as producer Ryan Music. I think we
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can safely say that most of the Marquis free agents
have found their new homes. There are still some notable
names out there, but even those notable names, most notably
Demart de Rosen, will need a sign in trade to
find a new home. So I think it's safe to
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say we have dribbled into the trade season portion of
the off season. But I am sure Chris Haynes is
ready for that. After the July fourth festivities at the
Hotel Haynes and Sacramento, which are always eventful, my July
fourth I was solo. My squad is in California. My
(01:57):
oldest is in La Missus Lyne, and my youngest flew
out there to meet with him to be with him
for the holiday. So I can so I just stayed
behind and I'm working. Sad, sad state of affairs.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
You know. I can tell Producer Ron, I need you
to chime in. I'm sorry. Usually bring producer Ryan in
towards the end, but I need him chime in towards
right now. So Stein, what you're saying is valid. I
can tell your bunker down and you're working. And the
reason why I can tell because our listeners aren't going
(02:30):
to be able to tell. But this is the first
time Stein, you have to correct me. Does Stein Light
actually have a beer coming through? Do you see this? For?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
There is some some slightly above five o'clock shadow, what
I would call it scruff. There is no scruff coming through.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
This well, because there's a reason you've never seen it,
because it takes like weeks and weeks and weeks of
work just to get this far.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I've never seen this. It looks lined up and everything, Star,
look at.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You, man, It's definitely not lined I don't know what
the hell I'm doing, so, I don't know what camera
I've got, but it is. It is not lined up.
It is not properly manicured. It is not it is.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I don't believe what I'm just watching right here. What
I'm observing I've never seen. Stein is usually a clean cut.
He shaves everything clean faste.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No, No, you're you're miscasting.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Me, man, I don't I think I'm with I'm with
Chris Haynes here. This is this is a new look Stein,
and this is free agency.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
He is Sadly, it's the same old neurotic bag of
panic and nerve Stein. It's there is nothing, There is
nothing new. Sadly, I wish I wish there was some newness.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
This is weird. Star. It's been about I want to say,
because producer ryme, I have to give producer Ryan props credit.
He has one of the most pristine beard. You'll see
out there. He's really clean, like he has a good beer,
a good full beer, and he's shaved. When he shaves it,
he looks kind of weird every now and then, but
then it grows back really quick. But Stein, the Beard
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Gang and producer Rye you may correct me, because I
tried to join. I got spots in my beard that
just don't grow out. But I mean I think it
still works. But the Beard Gang era has been around
for how long is Pluce Ryan by five years? Maybe
longer than that.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, I'd say like like seven years. It really started
to become like a like a cultural thing where people
got really into beards.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Okay, now, Stein, I'm seeing what you have here. I
see the potential. Why haven't you join Beard Gang?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
There's upside, you know, and the market is saying that
there's value in this uh, in this new look that
you have, Stein, why are we not investing and making
this a long term play?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You guys are acting like I don't want too well.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I mean we're saying we see, we're we are witnesses
to it being able to grow out. So why have
you always shaved it back?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Because this camera is so bad you guys cannot tell
how bad it looks.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I just give it a try, man, I think you.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I want I want to It's it's no hope, man,
there's no hope.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Star. It has more potential than you think style. That's
that's coming from us right here. Star, give it a try.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Because missus Stein is not a fan.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I think that's well, that's that's another thing. Well hold
on now you take it, okay? That would truth comes
out the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
But no, but I'm no, I'm going for what I would.
I would you know, that's that would not stop me.
That was really how it's really how bad it looks?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
And it looks it's it's it's not.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
There's nothing that a bunch of ass clippers couldn't fix
and couldn't clean up. Star, You'll be all right, man.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Man, I'm I wish we could bring in like an
expert to like give us a tutorial.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
We got producer Rye right here. He's an expert. He
has one of the best beers you'll see, and he's
telling you you can pull it off.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I think I think there's more potential there than you're
giving yourself credit for.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I would agree, And this is what our listeners come
in here for to hear about the struggling Beard stories.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Exactly exactly what they wanted, exactly what they wanted. On
July fifth, five days into free year. Okay, we are
gonna try to transition to some NBA news reporting the
latest we're hearing. But first we're going to do We're
going to play a little game first, and we are
eventually going to get to updates on DeMar DeRozan, on
(06:59):
Lowry marketing and brandon Ingram. We will get to all that.
But first, I thought, because things have certainly slowed down,
we are not getting transaction after transaction after transaction every second.
I mean, that really is what happens in modern free
agency now that once the moves start, I mean, one
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hundred guys by July second are either re signing or
signing elsewhere. That's just the way it is now, and
it's going to have to be trades. And with the
aprons that teams are dealing with, everybody's looking for trades
to get their team finances. In order we're gonna do,
it's gonna be a six pack. Of course. Another one
(07:44):
of the dirty secrets of this show is that neither
Chris nor I drink at all. So I was gonna
say this should have been sponsored by a beer company,
but I'm gonna say that it should have been spoiled
like Chris Haynes is holding an official grant Hill Anthony
Edwards can of sprite, and I, of course far too
(08:05):
addicted to coke and glass bottles. I wish this was
sponsored by Coca Cola in glass bottles only. That would
be an epic. That's what this should be, a six
pack in pristine glass. But this, this is gonna go unsponsored.
I'm gonna start with Chris Haynes. What we're gonna do.
We're gonna go back and forth three each a team
(08:29):
whose business we liked in free agency, and then we're
gonna say either a team we flat out didn't like
or whose free agent strategy, whose draft slash free agent
strategy we're at least loudly and strongly questioning. So I'm
gonna let Chris Haynes go first from his Sacramento abode.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Tell me I was gonna ask good or bad first?
Does matter?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
First?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Up?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Number one? Tell me a team who's free agency you've loved.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Free agency that I've loved. Let me go with I mean,
I think it's probably the easiest pick. Let's go with
the Philadelphia seventy six ers. There's a couple other teams
I could have picked in that in that slot. But
what they did, this was a plan that they had
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ever since the beginning of this year calendar year twenty
twenty four. They had to wait, They had to stay
patient because obviously they couldn't do anything until July one
came around. Excuse me, June thirtieth came around, and so
really they were in a position where they had a
max caps spot, but there were not a lot of
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big name free agents here. We knew that the Philadelphia
seventy six ers won to bring in another Max caliber
player and the free agency landscape just didn't equal a
ton of them. They were able to get their number
one target, and everything panned out to where the Clippers,
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you know, had to part the play in it as
far as not giving Paul George what he desired, and
they made it happen and Paul George resigning. Kelly Oubrey
added Eric Gordon, I know I'm missing somebody else. And
Drummond and Andre Drummer, who was like his stock was
so high at the trade deadline in February, Like, so
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phil and they're still and the Sixers are still not done.
So you got to give them credit. On paper, everything
looks really good. Obviously they have to play on the court,
but free agency wise, during this transactional period, trades and everything,
Philadelphia seventy six Ers get an A from me thus far.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, look, there are still questions because they have to
fill out the roster. There are depth uesquestions as we speak,
because they're down to minimums now and gonna have to
get more guys on this team. But I mean you
said it. I think the plan actually goes all the
way back to last summer. Tyrese Maxey wanted a Max
deal and the Sixers had to go to him and say, listen,
(11:17):
we need you to wait, we need you to hold
off a whole year because we're going to turn this
cap space into something special. But the truth is, if
they didn't get Paul George in free agency, that's something
special was going to have to come via trade, which
would have been a lot tougher to execute, because in
terms of free agents, Paul George really was in a
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class by himself. Unless you thought Lebron James was gonna
switch teams, and I don't think anybody really believed that
there was any hope of Lebron switching teams. I mean,
for in terms of free agents who were going to move,
who were potentially in play to land a new address,
Paul George was far and away the number one option,
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and the Sixers got it done. So you have to
give them serious credit for not just convincing Paul George
to move across the country when there was a lot
of skepticism around the league that he would ever be
willing to do that. But they kept Maxi on board
with this plan. Maxi went out and had an All
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Star season and then he got his Max deal, So
I mean it really worked out to the Sixers dreams.
To put it frankly, I mean, this was the dream
a scenario, and again they're gonna have to prove it
on the floor. There have been durability questions facing both
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Paul George and Joel Embiid that those guys are gonna
have to dispel. And again they made some nice moves
to get commitments from Eric Gordon, Andre Drummond, bring back
Kelly Eubray, but they still need a lot more to
fill out the rest of the roster, but they will.
Darryl Morey is an expert at that kind of stuff.
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They've done the hard work here and so yeah, I
think for any questions you could raise, even if you
think Boston and New York are better than the Sixers
going into next season, and there will be some pundits
who say that because of the Knicks and all the
moves they've made, the Knicks will be higher on some
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in some projections around the league than Philly will. But
there is an elite top three in the East right
now and the Sixers are undeniably part of it, and
kudos to them. My selection, I think is an even
more obvious choice, though Oklahoma City to make the moves
they've made to get Caruso, giving up only Josh Giddy
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and no draft compensation to sign Isaiah Hartenstein to a
big deal, but a deal that it's at their option
in year three and will not mess with the long
term finances as the thunder have to start extending some
of their younger players on longer deals. I mean, they've
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addressed their rebounding, they've gotten better on the perimeter, and
at a time when I think really, only the Dallas
Mavericks in the West can conclusively say apart from Oklahoma City,
only Dallas right now can conclusively say that they got
stronger in the off season. Among the West's top contenders,
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Oka See unquestionably got stronger, and every team I talked
to when the subject turns to favored in the West,
it's the Thunder, It's the Thunder. It's the Thunder who still,
by the way, have a bazillion draft picks to continue
to make moves so huge off season in Oklahoma City, I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
A little bit surprised that you have OKAC at the time.
Top I get it. You make valid you make valid
points right there. Definitely, them going out there and picking
up Isaiah was a big that's a big punch for them.
That's definitely gonna help. He's a veteran guy. They need
his his rebounding, his girth, So he's gonna he's going
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to pay if he's if he's healthy, he's gonna pay
huge dividends for that team because they're still learning how
to win and they're only going to grow from there.
Still have cat space to do what they to see
if there's something else that can be done. I definitely
get I've definitely put okay see in Okay see in
the conversation. I'm surprised you put them so high off
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the top, but I get it, I get it valid points.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, I think it's just because they retain so much
optionality too. I mean that's the thing. Like I just,
I guess I'm giving away one of my other answers
when I talk about this, but I just I continue
to just be flabbergasted at the G for Caruso trade
and that there's just no draft compensation whatsoever in that
(16:06):
deal when we know, I mean, you said it on
this podcast, and I want people to remember you said
this days ago. This League Uncut listeners heard this Tuesday,
not Friday. They heard it Tuesday. Chris B. Haynes reported
that DeMar de Rozan's tenure was over. And it wasn't
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the first time that you've reported this. Other part you've reported,
you reported on NBA TV, You've been reporting it for
I think you said it on this podcast even last week.
The Bulls have prioritized trying to find a trade for
zach Lavine before even getting to DeMar de Rosen, And
now it seems like there's an even wider gulf between
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the sides. But if you're gonna trade zach Lavine, you
need to attach picks to it. And that's why it
would have been nice to get Can you get two
seconds in that caruse so forgiddy deal. But again, I'm
jumping ahead because the ball is in your court to choose.
I hope I didn't just ruin your answer.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Tell me a team that either you flat out do
not like what we've seen from them in the draft
and free agency, or you just loudly question what they
have done so far.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I'm going to go. I don't think I might surprise
you with this, but I'm going to go with Denver
because losing KCP was a major, a major blow.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I'm with you. That was also my number one choice,
so I'm totally with you.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, that was a major blow and there's really no fault. Listen,
it's really no I was told that the Nuggets are
working under a certain dollar figure in keeping the roster afloat.
What I mean by that is there's just a number
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that they cannot crossover that goes above the head of coaches,
goes above the head of management. So who's over management
there you go. So it's unfortunate because this is a
team that won the championship just two years ago. They
arguably had the best start in five unit over the
last few years. The continuity was unmatched. And you're losing KCP,
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one of the best three D defenders, one of the
glue guys of that team. You can't replace them. There's
nobody on that roster as of right now that is
ready to take on prime minutes. I don't believe there is,
and they're just not in a position to do it well.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
They clearly do. They clearly think Christian Brown can.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
He has to, But they didn't even trust Christian Brown
in the playoffs. Went really got tough. They stuck with
their five. They their bitch. They went six and a
half in the playoffs. So you know, you're you're hoping
it's not you know, you know there are some young
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guys who you see that you see them on the
cusp of being a really good contributor the year prior
to next year. You just expect them to take that leap.
I don't know that I expect Christian Brown to take
the leap. He's going to have to. If the Denver
Nuggets want to stay a title contended team, but I
don't know if they're that team anymore. I'm serious, Like
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they've lost, you know what, they lost in Bruce Brown,
Jeff Green the off season before that, and now KCP
is starter, and there's really nothing they can do right
now to try to repair that or replace that. You know,
I know there's chatter about the Denver Nuggets being interested
in Russell Westbrook, and I don't know how I view that.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Let mean, look at that price, at the price start
going to get him at a minimum level price or
maybe a little higher. That's no big I mean, it's
worth the gamble. But the Nuggets need shooting. They desperately
need shooting, and Russell Westbrook is not going to supply shooting.
And I don't know how much defensively he can really
do to replace. Again, like you said, this is not
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just KCP. It's Bruce Brown and KCP in back to
back summers.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's tough. Jeff Green was big too. Jeff
Green was big too. Yeah, it's tough. And so you know, again,
like I can't I don't know, you know, I don't
know that I can confault the Denver Nuggets management for this,
I think the decision to let KCP go was over
their head.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, it's I really feel for Nuggets fans because this franchise,
it was an ABA powerhouse, but in the NBA they
waited fifty something years to get a championship. And since
the championship, we've now seen Bruce Brown, KCP, Jeff Green,
They've all departed, and you've got Jokic, who is still
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regarded by many as the best player on the planet.
They're going to extend Jamal Murray, who is now going
to get a massive contract of his own. If those
two guys are healthy, they're still going to be up
there in the West. But yeah, sobering. You know, had
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KCP been had he received some crazy expensive offer from
Orlando or Philly, it might have been easier to understand.
But a three year, sixty six million dollar deal, yes,
it would have put Denver in some immediate luxury tax jeopardy.
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But you would have liked to think that they could
have dealt with a contract of that size and then
made some other moves to get out of tax range.
I mean, KCP is going to be a big loss
and a big boost to Orlando. Orlando's strategy was the
Magic have tons of cap space. They just want to
bring in one new difference maker, bring back all their
(22:20):
own free agents, and you know, proceed a little bit
more slowly. But KCP is going to help Orlando. I mean,
that's what's so tough about the East is that not
only do you have this top three with Boston and
New York and Philly all looking so good on paper,
but Indiana went to the conference finals. And I think
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they're going to get better just by virtue of their
main guys getting older and having more time alongside Pascal
Siakam and now Orlando. Orlando has certainly helped itself. So
I'm with you there. I would have picked Denver first,
because you picked Denver first, I think you can guess
my choice. I am going with Chicago again and I
I've already covered it, but you know, again, they could
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have The Bulls could have traded Andre Drummond for some
draft compensation in February. They certainly could have traded Caruso
for a lot more than they got. Josh Giddy is
going to have to have a major bounce back for
this trade to look better, and you know they're having
(23:28):
no luck finding a trade market for zach Lavine, who
they've been trying to move since before Thanksgiving, and now Derozen.
We'll see what happens in the DeRozan talks. You know,
can they find a workable sign in trade. They don't
want to take back any salary, so it's probably gonna
take three teams. You know, we'll see if they can
(23:50):
get something meaningful back in a DeRozan sign and trade.
But yeah, I uh, let's just say, even living in Dallas,
the frustration of Bulls fans from Chicago is tangible.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Mm hmmm, Chicago. The only right reason I wouldn't have
picked Chicago in this scenario is we know, we knew
the direction they were headed. I got we knew they
were going to go to rebuild. They're not going to
come out and fly out and say that's what they're doing.
But you know, I expected that. I didn't expect them
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to be active. I didn't expect them to be able
to come away with a haul for zach Lavine. The
way things were going with tomorrow, we kind of knew
we were in this direction, so you know, all this
is expected to me. But uh, definitely they're taking if
if they don't want to call it a rebuild. They're
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definitely taking a retooling of an era.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Now, yeah, it's long overdue. I mean, these this is
the direction they should have gone. I don't know what's
taken so long. That's my main issue with it is that,
you know, look, Ken Giddy with a fresh start, be
a much more productive player than we saw at the
end in Oklahoma City. It's gonna have to happen. But
Kobe White was fantastic. I mean, he really had a
(25:15):
great season last season. So this is the right direction
for the Bulls to pivot in this way, take a
step back, focused on the young guys. But it just
they just waited so long. So let's see if they
can do something. Let's see maybe they find a Levine
trade and a good DeRozan sign in trade to make
me eat my words. But I'm I mean, how many shows,
(25:37):
how many weeks, how many stories? How many times have
you and I talked about zach Lavine possibly being traded?
I mean, this is literally gone. Zach Lavine was the
first All Star level player last season who emerged as available,
and his availability really kicked off trade season. The end
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season portion of trade season that was again early November,
and here we are heading for mid July and summer
League and there's still no closer to finding a deal
for him. Obviously, an injury intervened in that scenario, and
Levine opted for season ending foot surgery. But it's been
a long time, all.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Right, Stin, I'm gonna have to call halftime. Let's let's
go to halftime right now. I want to go to
halftime to discuss something that I find very peculiar, interesting,
maybe a little weird. I don't know Producer Ryan, Tony
(26:42):
and Michael, Producer Ryan.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
So when he audibles like this, I get so nervous.
Producer Ryan, like this, This was not anywhere near the script.
So go ahead, let's let's say ducking. I'm ducking for
what this is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Embrace it, Embrace, embrace it. Producer Ryan. Will you please
go to Twitter and go to the handle at the
NBA alert. Are you familiar with this handle? Stein, Yes,
so you are, Producer Ryan. This Twitter handle follows all
(27:22):
the NBA players, follows NBA media, and it checks and
it keeps record instantly the moment you follow somebody new
or the moment you unfollow somebody or the moment you
like something. So this was the account that I guess
you could call it broke. This was the account that
(27:44):
broke where lebron unfollowed Kendrick Perkins. Then it was a
couple of weeks later lebron unfollowed Rachel Nichols. I guess,
and it goes on and on. It's like you could
just keep looking. Yes, sure, I'm in there as well.
Following christ I started following Christa's persingers and whatever. This
(28:06):
is like, I just want to know how how does
somebody do? Like what how can you? Because I be
like they I'm trying to see how many what's there following?
They have.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Seventy forty three thousand, forty three.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Thousand people are following them, and the account reads in
the bio follow what NBA players, coaches, GMS, reporters, and
teams are doing on X. This is a strange, but
I guess could be considered a useful resource depending on
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who you are. I guess, like, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I have never I just asked what moved you to
call a time out right now to discuss this.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Because somebody hit me up pretty recently about who I
unfollow and so I didn't know anything about this.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Chris Haynes has unfollowed the Stein line.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I didn't know. I didn't know anything about this, Like
this is crazy, okay, props Listen. That shows you in
the social media era, you could find a niche wherever,
find a niche wherever, and run with it and go
build you a following. That's that's what I do like
about the lad over the last ten years with the
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apps and ubers, like think of stein Stein and Ryan.
I was talking to my wife about this for years,
for years. Stein. I remember when I started covering the
league in twenty and ten and the first four and
a half years I got around in taxis. But you
guys know how complicated taxis are. Like you caught, I
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got a call, I got arranged from them to be
at my hotel, to be at my house. A lot
of times they show up late. Sometimes they don't show
up at all. You don't know where they're at, you
don't know if they're midway coming. It's just it's crazy,
especially after a game late at night. I'll be in Denvers,
it's snow, it's cold, and you don't know the taxi
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don't know where to come meet you at because there's
nobody to talk to. But my point is the taxi
system has had hundreds of years to monopolize the concept
of getting people around. And what did they do. They
sat on their butts and they robbed us because you know,
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they've robbed us of these fees, these crazy fees for
riding taxis. They rob you And what did that do?
Uber came And I remember the first person who told
me about Uber. It was Dave mcminnimon when we were
recovering the calves in Cleveland two. Dave was the first one.
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And you know how, I'll just say how I am.
I'm not gonna talk to all people. I'm not easy,
Like it's not going It's not easy for me to
just try something new and just go with it. So
the thought of Uber just seemed crazy to me. It's like,
what a random person who has no experience driving is
just gonna drive me around? Like what my credit card
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is just attached to this company? What so it took?
You know? So? And Dave would tell me like, yeah,
try it out. It's way cheaper than the taxi and
lo and behold. I eventually tried it out, probably six
months later, tried it out, and I thought, wow, why
did I think of this? The taxi company and now
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taxis they hate ubers. They can't stand Uber drivers because
they charge they charging half of what the taxis are.
I can actually know where my Uber is at. I
actually can see it. I can follow where they're at.
I can communicate with them. The taxi industry had it
hundreds of years to figure this out and they failed.
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And now Uber and what's the other one? Uber? And
on what's the other lift? Lyft? Now Uber and Lyft
have monopolized and taken over, and I say props to them.
So that's why I'm saying with FOD thinking that I
don't I don't know if you guys see the connection
between this NBA alert account.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I see no connection whatsoever. I see no connection. I'm
still reeling from the I'm still reeling from the Beard
discussion at the beginning. But how what inspired you to
call this time out? I looked at I looked at
the NBA alert, figuring, okay, one of their three most
recent tweets must have been Chris Haynes has unfollowed blah
(32:43):
blah blah. But no, there's no Chris Haynes mentioned there
so it's like, what sparked this.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Stein, This is one of those situations where as the
kids say, you gotta just let him cook, Let him cook,
let him do his thing, let me.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Cook and then taste taste what I'm cooked, then decide
if it was worthy of me cooking or not. You
know that. Meanwhile, let me see.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You weren't even halfway through the six pack game. We
were only at four. We need nine. We weren't even
halfway through and you called time out. This is like,
this is like you you wasted a challenge in the
first quarter.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
So now I don't have any more changes left.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, and it's Game seven of the NBA Finals, and
you wasted a challenge in the first quarter.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
We can proceed. We can start the third quarter.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
My bad man, Ryan. That was Ryan, Come on, back
me up. That was the craziest time out, that.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
One that I'm with you, Stein, When I thought he
was gonna say, hey, check.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Out, there is a through line. It leads Chris Haynes
to the tangent, but I am really struggling to identify.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I thought there was gonna be something close to the
top of the timeline that was like, hey, we were
just talking about the bulls and did you.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
See Yeah, they stopped Mary followed carnitionist something, but no,
we ended up on the taxi industry and what and
what Uber has done to the taxi industry. If you
can connect those dots, you are wasting your time as
producer of this show. You should be a scientist, a
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top top universe.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I think.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I think the thing because all agree on is what
you observed Stein is that. Props to Dave mcmahdaman for
discovering Reman.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Didn't know when he woke up today that he was
going to get credit for breaking the scoop of Uber
rewriting the taxi industry.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Well to put a bow on it. Basically, what I
was saying is basically what I was saying is there's
always a way to be innovative and creative and to
find a laye that you could capitalize in. So that's
where I was going with that. Guys.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Oh, and with that, I'm going to ask you to
give me your second team in free agency. Who has
wowed you with their moves? Maybe not maybe maybe they
have not have wowed you to the level of Uber,
but yes, who who do you like? Who do you like?
Who who else besides the Philadelphia seventy six ers in
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the Oklahoma City Thunder, they are off the board. Who's
off season business has impressed you? Beyond those two teams.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I'm keeping it in the East, I'm going with the
New York Knickerbockers. Yeah, re signing o G trading for Bridges.
They did lose Isaiah, but that's a that's a product
of what they went after and who they went after.
I should say, but the Knicks have definitely retooled. They're
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a better team. I still believe they're a better team.
They have to find them a backup be it, but
they will. There's a there's a there's a solid bigs
out there still left out on the market.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Who is the bigger threat to Boston? The Knicks for
the Sixers, I guess you would say, you would say
if you picked the Sixers, I guess you would go
six Ers.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
See. See, I was going to correct you, not correct you,
but I was going to interject when you made that
statement about the top three in the East, because if
I brought my good friend Dame Dollar on this show
and asked him about the top three, well, if I
not asked him, if I told him that mark Stein
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said the top three is Boston, New York and Philly.
He would cuss you out mark Stein right there on
the spot.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I think we need to bring him on the show.
We had we have not had it. I mean, I think, look,
it's the summer and he probably needs a break, even
from you. But I think you could remind him that
the one time he's been on the show, he did
win the three point contest. Hours later, Maybe talking to
us again wouldn't be the worst thing, because listen, I
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mean yeah, I mean, I you know, or jumping a.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Little bit like our chances of convincing him to come
on after you've already said the top three in the East, Boston,
New York can fields.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Okay, so I'm the only one saying that the Bucks
might have something to worry about here. With the moves
that the Knicks and the Sixers have made and the
Celtics doing deals to re sign all their guys, the
Celtics are bringing back pretty much their a whole team
that just won it all. And I do think, you know,
I wouldn't have Boston necessarily on my list of the
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three most impressive teams because I want to bring some
some new teams into this discussion. And the Celtics just
won the championship, so they're getting plenty of props. But
you have to ask the question about Boston, how good
are they gonna be when now Tatum and Brown don't
have to hear the whole basketball world doubting their abilities.
How liberating is that gonna be for those guys to
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play as defending champions rather than a team that we
questioned because we haven't seen them do it. So it's
not a direct I'm not directing this at Dame himself,
but I mean the Bucks. They got a lot of
questions to answer.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I'm getting a text from Dame, Now what.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Are he's taping this and sending him Clippers?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I should send him some motivation up? I should? You
know what it was? He texts in the group chat
that we're in just now. But Stein, I give you
that nobody, nobody, let's put the Boston Celtics in their
own class. They are number one. Nobody is arguing about
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the Boston Celtics. You know how I admire Jason Tatum.
You know how I admire that guy, Love that guy,
Jaylen Brown, solid stud, Derek White, the whole crew of
there in Boston. Legit legitimate guys, legitimate championship contender once again.
Now New York and Philly. I put New York in
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there because I just like the makeup of their team.
But the same issues that played Milwaukee for the bulk
of this past year was that they were just unfamiliar
with each other. They had to figure out how to
play with one another. Philly is going to have to
deal with that, and the Knicks are going to have
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to deal with that, even though I know the Villanova
crew is back. But these are different. These are different players.
These are players with now who have egos. These are
players now who have fame. They expect to be able
to produce and put up big numbers. So you still
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have to work with that. Now, with that being said,
I won't argue with you. I'm just saying, hey, you
can't dismiss Milwaukee because Dame is going to be back
better than he was the past year. Him and Beannis
will get together a little bit more. You know, the
Olympics is going to kind of mess mess up some
plans that they did have, but they'll they'll get more
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reps in than they did going into training. Cup last year.
So I'm just I'm just not dismissing Milwaukee. So I
would probably say Boston, New York, Philly, and Milwaukee tie
for third. That's that's kind of how it would go go.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, I guess the way I look at it is
I do like the Knicks depth better than the sixer
situation because look, Joel Embiid and Paul George have both
missed considerable time. It's happened way more than once, and
so I do think there is value in the depth approach.
So I would give the Knicks the slight edge. But
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I look on the Bucks, I don't think it was
just continuity. I think it was continuity and health. So
let's see. I know the Bucks are banking on the
idea that Doc Rivers coaching this team from the start
of the season dame not just showing up three seconds
before training camp starts and actually having a full training camp,
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a full offseason to get ready for that training camp,
and the continuity that he and Giannis can build. But look,
Giannis the last two seasons has not been healthy at
the end. Chris Middleton bounced back and played really well
in the playoffs, but he dealt with injuries all season long,
and the biggest thing about the Bucks that worries me,
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it's just they have such limited flexibility and limited trade
assets to make changes, and they clearly want to make changes.
Those rumbles have been out there that Doc Rivers would
like to make alterations to the supporting cast. Are they
going to trade Brook Lopez or bring Brook Lopez back?
So in Milwaukee there are a lot of question marks
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and a lot of uncertainty, and the top of the
East has just gotten way way tougher. My other team,
my team that I would list second, I'm gonna go
a little untraditional here. Again. You could say Boston because
they brought everybody back. But I gotta take my hat
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off to Cleveland. The Cavaliers had to deal with a
lot of noise about Donovan Mitchell. Not just for me,
I think it was league wide. There were questions all
season about what happens in Cleveland if Donovan Mitchell doesn't
sign this extension, and there were many many teams out
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there monitoring this. I think the Miami Heat were at
the front of the line hoping that there would be
no extension so they could make a trade run at
Donovan Mitchell. But props to the Cavaliers. Amid a lot
of skepticism, they got that extension done with Donovan Mitchell.
He is committed to the Calves on a three year deal.
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It's a player option in year three, but that is
mostly because he wants to get to ten years of
service in the league and be eligible for a much
richer deal. I don't want to sit here and say
that the Calves have figured everything out because Evan Mobley
is also eligible for an extension. With Kenny Atkinson coming
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in there now as the coach. When you talk to
other teams, they say that Cleveland is even more determined
now to keep Jared Allen, So Atkinson is going to
have to find a way to make Allen and Mobley
function better together as a twosome on the floor, and
then Darius Garland. All the signals are that the Calves
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don't want to break up their main four guys, but
that doesn't stop other teams from around the league looking
at that situation and trying to anticipate. Is Garland, you know,
we've heard the rumbles. Would their camp actually ask to
be moved if Donovan Mitchell comes back, because there might
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not be room for all four of them. It's you know,
this is in the league chatter phase. There's no you know,
we haven't heard of any definitive declarations from Darius Garland
or his camp about wanting to be elsewhere. But the
questions about those four as a fit still persist. As
a four man core of a team, those questions now
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fall to Kenny Atkinson to work through. But at its core,
you have to give the Calves huge credit, huge props
for hushing all the noise and convincing Donovan Mitchell to
re up, because again, Miami would have been at the
front of the line trying to trade for him if
there was no extension, and I'm sure there would have
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been other teams.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Hey, I'm glad you confessed to that. Styn. Yes, you
were one of the ones who said or thought Donovan
Mitchell was going to be out and Mark Stein there was.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
That.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
That's not no I said, and I wrote, I wrote
it many times. What I said was if the Calves
were unable to get his signature on an extension, that
would force them to explore the trade market and until
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the playoffs, really until after the playoffs. I think it
was in May that we started getting the first real
certifiable signals of optimism in Cleveland that they were going
to get that extension commitment from Donovan Mitchell. But again,
we didn't get that till May. So I think in
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February before the deadline, teams were talking about it, and
rightfully so, because it wasn't clear in February that the
extension was going to happen as we expect to see
it now out here after Saturday, once the moratorium lifts
Saturday at twelve oh one Eastern, the Cavs can actually
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formally sign Donovan Mitchell to that extension. But go ahead.
I didn't mean to call time out on you.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
No, No, you had the Claire for you wanted. You
wanted to make sure your voice was heard and heard accurately.
So I give you that. That's fine. What I was
going to say, you saw there was a two minute
video clip. I guess media, our media colleagues are peers
just going sound bites from the past.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Off, I didn't see.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
It, Okay, off of announcing used it sound bites from
the past from numerous media folks, Folks saying that Donam
is going to be gone. There's not a chance Donamin
is coming back. Cleveland should do something. Blah blah blah.
So I was going to play with you and say
you should have been in there.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
You should have been Yeah, I mean that's it. Am
I in there? I don't think I don't think they're
not in there.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
But you're not in there because you didn't actually say that.
You said exactly what. Uh you know, you said that
if they didn't get an extension, they had no choice
but to do so.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, and they couldn't. I mean, you know that, And
that was they obviously if they didn't get the extension.
You can't let Donovan Mitchell go into his final season
and then become a free agent and just you open
yourself up to the potential that he walks. But again,
props to the Calves. There were a lot of doubters
about them getting this extension commitment from Donovan Mitchell, and
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they did, and now they can really plot their course
on how to proceed. So they are they are a
definite winner of this offseason.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
How many more rounds we have left?
Speaker 1 (47:37):
We still? I mean, if producer, I don't know, we've
we've gone kind of along here. With that twenty minute
timeout on the taxi, it.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Was my twenty it was twenty minutes. Huh. That's a
twenty minute time out. Huh.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
And the beard the beard detour at the beginning, So
we have we have lost some of our man. God,
it's already. Oh man, I'm running out of time.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Yes, you said Stine, hold on you you're you're usually
a man of word. Now, everybody here. It is four
twelve California time. Stein said when we started, before we
start this pot, we're going to finish at four fifteen,
which means we have three minutes left. Are you gonna
be a man of your worst?
Speaker 1 (48:14):
No, we are going We're definitely going over three minutes.
But like I need to go somewhere. So it's like,
we're only gonna get fifteen more minutes, and so we are.
I am calling an audible. The game is now only
gonna have two rounds. So you can hit me with
one more team whose business you either hated or loudly questioned,
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and then I will give you mine and we will.
We have hit on a lot of teams though, so
I think we've we've we've we've covered close to half
the league. I think we've named By the time we finished,
we will have named or we will have we will
have discussed at least fifteen teams here. But give me
a team whose business you did not like.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Okay, Well, there's two teams that I'm picking from. Two teams,
and since this is the final round, I may cheat
a little bit, but na, I'll stick with I'll stick
with one. So I'm picking between. I'm gonna tell you
the two teams. I'm picking between between the Golden State
Warriors and the Los Angeles Clippers. And the reason I'm
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hesitant on both of those fronts to bash them because
they still potentially, potentially can pull something out here where
their off season may look pretty good. So that's what
concerns me about attacking one of those two teams right now.
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Uh So with that being said, God, I'm gonna go
with the Uh, I'm gonna go with the Los Angeles Clippers,
because I really do think the Golden State Warriors can
pull something out. Still. The Los Angeles Clippers, they've known
this whole time about Paul, the Paul George situation. The
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question I have is if we will ever get this answered. Honestly,
did they even want to keep Paul George? I know
they got fatigued with the back and forth and negotiations
and Paul george stance not budgeing. And I know Paul
George in his camp felt the same way about the
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Clippers not budget, but I wonder if they really wanted
him back. And regardless if they wanted him back or not,
you can't lose a guy like that for nothing, you can't.
And I know they can, you know, say hey, we
don't want to get to that Apron. There's tax implications.
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They're not going to be They're not going to be
the team that they were. Even though the team that
they were didn't reach expectations, there's still was an expectation.
That expectation no longer exists. You got Tyron Lew there,
and he's definitely going to maximize the talent. But the Clippers,
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I think I believe they dropped the ball on how
they handled the Paul George situation. Uh, you know, they're
trying to piece some things together, you know, ad Adamson,
you know added Nick Patoon, They've added Kevin Porter, they
added Jones. Yeah, yeah, that's right, Yeah, Derek Jones Jr.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Chris Dunn is reported by Chris Haynes of TNT.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Yeah, Chris, Dunn. Yeah, it's not, Paul George. You lost
them for nothing. So yeah, they they're they're the team.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Well look, obviously what they would argue is losing a
guy for nothing in the modern landscape means you're not
going into the second apron, So it isn't completely nothing.
I mean, look, I think and that you know, I'm
maybe you know, I'm I'm going to disappoint you now
because I'm kind of fudging with this answer too, because
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like I think, both the Clippers and the Warriors, you
would put them in the we're going to question their
strategy right now, because even more so in the Warriors case.
I mean, I never thought it would get to this
point where Klay Thompson left them, And now when I
look back at it, the signs really were there all
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season long, the discontent from Klay Thompson being offered a
two year deal just shy of fifty million. He didn't
take it, he felt disrespected, and it just unraveled from there.
And now with the benefit of hindsight, you really can
see that he needed a fresh start, wanted a fresh start,
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and now has that in Dallas. But the Warriors have
made some pretty good contingency moves to get them through
the short term, to bring in the Anthony Melton, Kyle Anderson,
and Buddy Healed on team friendly terms. And we know
the Warriors did try really hard to trade for Paul George.
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They did chase Lowry Marketing very hard. They continue to
have interest in lowry marketing, and look, I think you know,
we're kind of folding in our updates on future guys
into this discussion. We talked a lot already about Jamar Deroz,
and we said we were going to save that for
the end, and we ended up talking about him sooner.
But there's a lot of teams interested in lowry marketing
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right now. I'm not sure that Utah is really ready
to trade lowry Marketing right now, they're going to listen
because the Jazz can't renegotiate and extend on marketing until
August sixth by league rules, so they still have a
month here to just evaluate what's out there for them
on the market. Teams can make their pitches, the Jazz
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can field those offers and then decide what to do.
I still think Utah would prefer to re sign Lowry
Marketing because they have a much better chance of getting
a big trade haul back for him if he's on
a long term deal. Right now, Lowry Markin is entering
the last year of his contract. It's only an eighteen
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million dollar number for next season, so teams that want
him via trade, they don't have team control for more
than a season, and at eighteen mil, you're not getting back.
You don't have the optionality to get as much back
in terms of high level talent. So it just strikes me,
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and I've heard this from some teams as well, that
it just seems it would make more sense that Utah
would want to move market in after doing a new
deal with him. So again, I think it's difficult to
just say Golden State has completely fumbled because Clay Thompson
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is going to join the Dallas Mavericks in a sign
and trade, because the Warriors have made some nice moves
to increase their depth and possibly even have a better
team than they've had the last two seasons in the
short term, and we know given their actions here before
the draft and since the draft, I think the Warriors
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have shown that they are still trying to be aggressive
in terms of making upgrades, whereas the Clippers. The questions
about their strategy are louder. I think there really is
something to what you threw out there. Was it really
more the Clippers deciding above everything that the Kawhi Leonard
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and Paul George partnership had gone as far as it
could go, And that after five years, after winning only
three rounds in the playoffs in those five years, after
Kawhi not being able to finish the season healthy the
last three four seasons, were the Clippers really just as much?
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Which there are incredible team building restrictions when you go
into that second apron. Are the Clippers moving into a
reset because they just didn't want to keep paying for
this highly expensive duo that, Yes, they were very successful
on some levels, took the Clippers to their first ever
conference finals, but really never got close to winning a championship.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Yeah, and that's why And again that's why I picked
the Clippers over the Warriors in this scenario, because I
think the Warriors still can do some things to make
their offseason look pretty good. And yes, Adam, Buddy Hill,
Milton Kyle Andedison, those are good solid pieces. Buddy Hills
one of the best three point shooters. Maybe Buddy can
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come in and fill that production the outside production that
Klay Thompson provided for over a decade. Maybe we'll see
Buddy Hill's always top leaders in three points made per
season the last five or six years. You know what,
when you think about what Golden State has done or
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what they haven't done, you know, Clay is the highlight.
But also that Chris Paul, you know, allowing Chris Paul's
deal to expire and not get anything, get anything from
that when that was Chris. Acquiring Chris Paul's contract was
the central component of trading away Jordan Poole. So you know,
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I know people look at it. Warriors fans may look
at it. We traded, we traded Jordan Poole. We didn't
get anything back but a year of Chris Paul, you know.
So it's things like that. But again I can see
the silver lining and what the Warriors are trying to do.
So that's that's why I ultimately decided to pick the
Clippers in this in this aspect.
Speaker 1 (57:57):
Well as you noted, although like I said, I think
it was of the unexpected turns, the unexpected twists and
turn that this edition of this league uncut took. We've
had to my original plan, the original plan for the
show was I was going to ask Chris Haynes was
going to nominate three teams whose off season business he
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really liked, three teams who's off season business he either
outright didn't like or strongly question. I was going to
do the same. I think we still ended up talking
about at least half the league, but we didn't get
to round three because the clock is running short on us,
and I just want to make sure before we go,
because again, I do think we are now moving into
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the trade season portion of the off season. It won't
be long before the whole league is in Vegas and
when there are face to face discussions, which become much
easier in Vegas when we're all there. That certainly doesn't
hurt trade discussions. So I mean the big things I
think people will be looking for. Again, Utah cannot renegotiate
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and extend with Lowry Markinen until August sixth, So that
leaves the door open for the various teams that have
tried to chase him in trade talks. It gives them
the chance to keep going, keep throwing offers at Utah,
keep testing Danny Ainge's resolve before that extension window opens. Priority.
(59:25):
Number one I think is DeMar Derozen and where he
ends up in a sign and trade. Chris Haynes again
called this for you on Tuesday, more than seventy two
hours ago. By the time this podcast drops, that DeMar
de Rozan's tenure in Chicago is over. He is going
elsewhere via sign and trade. We just don't know yet
where that is. Also Miles Bridges in Charlotte. The Hornets
(59:49):
want to keep Miles Bridges. I reported the other day
that Cleveland should be categorized at least as a team
to watch in terms of sign and trade. Our good
friend Brad Turner the La Times. He reported earlier this
week that the Clippers also have some sign and trade
interest in Miles Bridges. And then I think Brandon Ingram,
who is a player both you and I have reported
(01:00:11):
about quite a bit here in the last several weeks.
The expectation only grows that the Pelicans would move him
before the start of the season. Again, exactly where that
has not revealed itself, That is not yet clear, But
(01:00:31):
it's reached the point to my knowledge that on Ingram side,
it's become apparent that the Pelicans are not going to
offer him what he was hoping for in extension talk.
So I think even from Ingram side, there is at
the very least exploration of what the trade options are
(01:00:51):
because it just doesn't look like he's going to get
the number from the Pelicans in an extension that he
was hoping for, and that naturally is going to open
the door and increase the chances of a trade. So
the floor is now yours again to talk about any
of those guys. You want DeRozan, Marketing bridges, Ingram.
Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
DeRozan, Let's let's get on DeRozan. DeRozan is there's a
few teams that are still trying to explore how to
acquire him. I told you guys here a couple of
days ago, you know, with the with the with the
cap space that's out there that's available for the most part,
(01:01:37):
full mid level exceptions, Damar is not taking anything. He's
not considering any type of contract like that. So I
said it was going to take a team getting creative
come up with the cap space. So teams that I
know that are exploring that possibility, Sacramento Kings, the Miami Heat,
(01:01:59):
and the Los Angeles Clippers. Those are teams that are
exploring ways to try to come up with an avenue
to obtain Damar DeRozan via a sign and trade, which
would involve a third team. The third team involved in
that the third team is that's probably gonna be the
(01:02:21):
most problematic aspect of locating that third team. Is it
San Antonio? Is it Detroit? Where you get that cap space?
So that's that's the conundrum as of right now. But
whatever team can locate and get reaching the terms on
a deal for that third team, that's who's gonna come
(01:02:41):
away with DeMar DeRozan.
Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
All Right, you know what, Since there have been so
many curve balls in this show to throw me off
my stride, I think we're gonna leave it there because
I am now officially late for where I am headed next.
But also, and more importantly for listeners of this show,
I think we kind of ended last one with strong
(01:03:04):
DeRozan thoughts. They were certainly near the end. And so
let's make it two for two this week. Let's have
the Chris Haynes latest forecast on DeMar DeRozan's future. Let's
make that the bow on this show. This wild and
unpredictable and at times chaotic edition of This League uncut.
(01:03:27):
As always, please remember to rate the show, review the show.
We would love a five star review after Chris Haynes's
performance today. I would imagine you are looking for that
five star review button to click, just just because of
what you heard out of the nine to one six today.
(01:03:50):
And we will be back together again, very very soon.
We're also excited because we're gonna be in Vegas together soon. Chris.
Of course, we'll be on the sideline of various Summer
League games. I'll be getting to Sin City a little
bit later than that. But it'll be great to see
you because even though we did see each other in
(01:04:11):
Dallas at the finals, we didn't get enough time. We
didn't get enough time to hang out in Vegas. In Vegas,
I am quite sure we will have one to two
proper meals together.
Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
And hopefully a nice big meal that's free at some
point in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Don't say anymore, say less as the kids say say less.
Did I get that right, Producer Ryan? Is that what
the kids say?
Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
That is one hundred percent exactly what the kids are saying.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Love it? And I'm sure if I'm wrong or if
you're wrong, a listener or three will let us know
all right. That is going to do it for this
edition of This League uncut Like I said, Chris and I,
we will be doing this again very very soon. Until then,
thanks so much for listening. I hope everybody had a
(01:05:02):
great board and that'll do it for us. See you
next time. This League un Cutter is an iHeartRadio production.
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Lock up
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