August 1, 2024 • 37 mins
Former NFL quarterback Shaun King is in for Rob, and he and Chris tell us if we should expect Caleb Williams to live up to the hype in his first season in Chicago and tell us if it’s disrespectful towards Williams or Russell Wilson to refer to Williams as ‘Russell Wilson 2.0’, discuss Aaron Rodgers’ approach to preseason football. Plus, NBA champion and FOX Sports Radio NBA analyst Antonio Daniels swings by to discuss why has no problem with Steve Kerr benching Jayson Tatum and Joel Embiid at separate times in the Olympics, what’s at stake for Embiid heading into the upcoming NBA season, why so many star players struggle to adjust to being role players for Team USA, the biggest threat to the Americans on their path to gold and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
You know it better than anybody, as well as anybody.
The start it kind of, I mean, kind of the
official start. We know, of course it is just an
exhibition game, but it's kind of the announcement that football
is back the Hall of Fame game in can't and
it can't Ohio. You know, of course, I'm from Ohio
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and worked in that whole Canon area. Football is king
in Ohio and tonight the Houston Texans will face the
Chicago Bears. Of course, you know, won't be many starters,
if any starters out there, don't be looking for CJ. Stroud,
don't be looking for Caleb Williams, the number one pick
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in the draft who's now the quarterback of the Bears.
But you know, it gets it started and so I
do want to start talking about Caleb Williams, and there
is a ton of hype.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Sean.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm gonna set this up and then let you cook.
There is a ton of hype about Caleb Williams. I
have heard people predict that the Chicago Bears could get
to the Super Bowl. I have heard people say, and
this one is pretty accurate, that they can't. No number
one pick at quarterback has ever been set up this
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well with this type of team.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You got some real weapons and dangerous play.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
DeAndre Swift, they picked up DJ Moore, They just signed
Keenan Allen, like they got some weapons up there in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Defense came on late last year, and so the hype.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Machine is in full effect for Caleb Williams to the
point where people expect him to come in running like
take you know, come.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Right in and pick off up where he left off
at USC.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And that the Bears, who I might add this, Sean,
in the best division in the NFC, with Green Bay
and Detroit and and even Minnesota, you know, could be
a little bit dangerous. So there's my question to you, Sean,
do you think Caleb Williams this year? I think I
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think he would be a really good quarterback down the line.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
But this year, do you think he can live up
to the hype.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Not the public's expectations. Not the public's hype. Are you
mentioned the things that the Bears have added, and you
mentioned the improvements of the Green Bay Packers and the
Detroit Lions. You didn't say them specifically, but you talked
about that conference and the difficulty. But really, Chris, the
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public is comparing him and the Bears to the Houston
Texans who were three thirteen and one last year and CJ.
Stroud was drafted number two in the draft and led
them to way I think it was ten and seven
record and a first round playoff win, a division title.
He threw with a twenty I think three touchdowns and
five picks.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
So that's what you say for a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Yeah, absolutely, but he didn't have any expectations. That kind
of surprised everyone. The Bears, I think, are in a
better position. They were seven and ten last year with
justin fields. As you mentioned all the improvements they made.
If you look at historically, Lincoln Riley quarterbacks have done well.
Initially in the National Football League. Kyler Murray I think
was a twenty touchdown, twelve pick god, I think Baker
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Mayfield was a twenty seven touchdown. I think like fourteen
pick guys. So they've had success, but neither one of
those guys had expectations like this. So I'm gonna say no,
I'm not gonna say he doesn't have a good rookie year,
but I don't think him and the Bears live up
to the expectations because I think they're thinking when the North,
you know, make it, you know to the second third
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round of the playoffs. I'm just not sure that jump
happens this year.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Well, and like you said, added on top of what
I said, with some people thinking they's a Super Bowl,
people looking at their weapons and how good they think
they can be. Also add on top of that, and
you mentioned him CJ Stroud, like what he did last year.
I do think people are looking at it like, well,
the CJ can come in and do it and let's
keep it real.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
CJ did it on the team.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That was supposed to be bad, had a rookie head coach,
none of his skilled position players have ever made a
Pro Bowl, and he turned them around into your point,
got him a playoff win, not only into the playoffs,
but an actual victory.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
But CJ. Stroud is the exception.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Most rookie quarterbacks, they might play okay or they might struggle.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
And I don't mean that doesn't mean they're not.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Gonna be good, but they might come in and you know,
they don't like the league on fire. He's really the
only one. Andrew Luck played well. And Luck was in
a pretty good situation too. I know, remember Indianapolis had
been bad the year they drafted him, but that was
kind of Peyton had left, you know, was gone, and
you know, they just were lost without Peyton Manny, but
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they had some pretty good players elsewhere and they won
eleven games and lux rookie year.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
But I'm with you. There are some out there.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I've heard say that Jalen Daniels in Washington, they think,
you know, late in the season, it's kind of they
think it'll be a CJ. Stret Not that Caleb will
be as bad as Rice Young was last year, but
they think it'll be a similar situation in that people
are saying the number two guy is better or at
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least having a better season than the number one guy.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Where are you at on that?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Well, I had Jaydean Daniels ranked as a number one
quarterback in this group, and it wasn't close. I think
Jayden's better than Caleb in every factor that you quantify
at playing quarterback. The thing that worries you about Washington
they still have not fixed that offensive line. They have
good skilled position guys. I think they added Austin Eckler
at run to that backfield. But Terry McLaurin and that
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group are talented. But that offensive line was the reason
Sam Howell struggled mightily last year. I think they led
the league in sacks, if I'm not mistaken. So I
love Cliff Kingsbury as a OC. I think Dan Quinn
and those guys will do a good job. I love
Jayden Daniels as a talent. I just don't fully trust
the Washington offensive line.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Other than that, I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So why and I'm not necessarily there, I'm just saying
I've heard people say that.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
But why do you like Jaden better than Caleb?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Well, because he's proven more consistently that he can play
elite quarterback within the confines of the scheme. And so
when you talk about Caleb and the mastery that we
saw at USC A lot of it was ad lib,
A lot of it was him running around making three
guys throwing the ball back across the field. Most of
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Jaden's was inside the scheme of the offense, meaning the
ball was coming out in rhythm on time to the
right receiver. Then when everything broke down, he showed the
capacity to be able to be elite, also extending plays.
I think one of the big adjustments for Caleb is
him and Shane Waldron getting on the same page. Him
being able to throw the ball in rhythm on time
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from the pocket. I think eventually he'll become a really
good player. I'm not sure he's going to meet everyone's
expectations in your one.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, that's my main concern about him, as well as
playing on schedule.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
And they do have so many weapons.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You know, I failed to even mention Roman Duneesa the
rookie wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Right, you got three legit receivers.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
A tight end obviously, DeAndre Swiston Knights running back. They
just picked up, and I think those like it's a
situation where he doesn't have to do it all on
his own. Like if you do just play on schedule,
assuming he gets some protection, then those guys, you know,
you can just throw it where it's supposed to be
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and you'll have a nice season, do you think, I
mean that's not his natural thing, right, because that's not
what he did at USC or he didn't have the.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Talent around him. Yeah, he created on his own.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Could you do you see, like, at least initially, maybe
a tension there where he's passing up the easy play
and maybe making things a little more difficult than they
need to be, even if he may make a play
here or there, and even and that's a question. I mean,
he's gonna make some plays, but you know, dudes are
faster in the NFL. Dude, you're like, and he's not
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like a super athlete in turn, you know, like a
Lamar Jackson runner.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
So I don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
He's gonna be able to run away from people like
he did in college either.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I think he'll be evasive. I think his functional mobility
is a it's a lot like a rock party type
of player. Rock Purty doesn't get enough.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Really, So you don't think he's more athletic than brock Purty.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Now slightly, But I think brock Purty is a lot
more athletic than people give him credit for I think
Caleb just does it more. I coached a kid to
the offensive player of the Year in the AAC Conference
down at USF's name is Quinton Flowers.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
You can change.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
A athletic quarterback that shusta extending plays into a guy
that plays within rhythm if he's willing to change. And
that's just something we won't know about Caleb because you
hear so much. You know, they didn't sign a traditional agent.
They use attorneys. They wanted a percentage of the franchise.
They wanted the language and the contract not to have
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you know, franchise tagging it.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
So you just.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
It makes you think, how willing is he to change
when he's trying so hard to be like this.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Enigmatic like I.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Mean, I broke all the rules, you know, I didn't,
you know, kind of conform.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
To like how things will be. He seems to be
a non conformist. I mean even fingernail painting and all
that stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
So because of those things, it gives you pause as
to he's gonna be willing to really come into Shane
Walterson's offense. And on first and ten when they call
a double move down the field, but the defense has
a double covert that he will in rhythm throw the
ball to the flat like I just think that it
takes time for a god that's had so much success
doing it his way to fully buy into to be
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in a system quarterback that has the ability to be
great when needed.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And you've heard people compare him to you know, could
he be a Patrick Mahomes, because you know, Mahomes obviously
very good off schedule and all that, and early in
his career he did a lot of that. But Mahomes
sat behind, you know, a good quarterback Alex Smith right
learned the system for a year when he wasn't playing,
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and then of course had one of the greatest offensive
minds we've seen in Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And even c J. Stroud. You had Bobby.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Slowick, who you know, I did a great job with
him last.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Year as the OC and Brilliam mind.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, And so obviously that coaching staff in you know, Chicago,
I think they're somewhat somewhat on the hot seat. I mean,
I tru he might be a little right, So it's
not like it's a proven staff yet. So I don't
know that he's gonna have the benefits of these great offenses.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
And the one thing that he has that neither of
those two examples have is high expectations. Nobody we knew
who Patrick Mahomes was the majority of people coming out
of Texas Tech, right, even though he's a first round pick,
people like, who is that?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You know?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
I remember the whole conversation about c J. Stroud was
he didn't score well on this new test that the
NFL has, and people were like they had him dropping
out the first round. I heard so that nobody expected
the Texas to be good. People are expecting, as you said,
in some instances the Bears to be a NFC representative
in the Super Bowl. So I just the expectations are
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so vastly great.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
The can that can work against you too, you know.
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Speaker 1 (13:17):
It was interesting because we were talking to Danny Parkins,
who's a radio personality in Chicago just last hour Sean,
and he brought up how Kevin Byard, who is a
respected veteran, a very good player, and Byard said that
assigned to him of the leadership of Caleb Williams is
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that he said to all the veterans or the whole team,
including a lot of veterans, that.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
You know, hey, guys, you know we're all grown men.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
We have you know, there's a lot of trash, you know,
around the facility and you know, water bottles or whatever.
Let's go ahead and pick these up, you know, for
the people that are cleaning. And you came in and
you said that that wasn't leadership. When you were in
the NFL in the early two thousands and as a rookie,
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you and the other rookies were expected to clean that
stuff up.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Amani Toomor, who.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Of course was a wide receiver in the league for
a long time great player. Here here's what he had
to say this morning on the cart and show about that.
Speaker 8 (14:25):
He's Russell Wilson two point Zeroh, this is not gonna
go over well, if you came in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I've been here.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
I've been in this locker room for eight years, like
you said, And you know, some rookies gonna come in
who hasn't played one snap talking with wearing the fingernail polish.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You know.
Speaker 8 (14:43):
Now he's gonna come in here and tell me we've
been here, who've been through the struggle that I need
to clean up? No, how about rookie, how about you
clean up after me?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
How about that?
Speaker 8 (14:52):
Don't give me this crap. I don't like it at all.
I feel like rookies should earn their respect. Sure, just
because you got drafted number one doesn't mean to me
because I don't even know if you're good.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
I mean, I think you're gonna hear most.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Thirty five and up current or former NFL players have
that same opinion. Give you that same narrative, like the
entitlement of somebody coming into the locker room that's never
done a thing at this level.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Is at an all time high.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Like, it's not guaranteed that just because you are really
ballyhed and the number one pick We've seen plenty of
them go by.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Where you get drafted doesn't really matter outside of the
size of the initial check. You still gotta go and
prove it, Like you're gonna get a little more leeway
from the team if they invested a high pick on you.
But as far as the respect it goes in the league,
you gotta go and show that what you did in
college you're capable of doing on this level. So I
agree with Amani wholeheartedly. Outside of one significant thing. We
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gotta put some respect on Russell Wilson's name, like Russ
is the most Yeah, when the Ducie is the most
underappreciated quarterback. And I'm gonna say this, and this isn't
clickbait in the history of the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Russell Wilson came into the NFL in twenty twelve as
a rookie, took the Seahawks to the playoffs, won a
playoff game. His second year, he took them to the
Super Bowl and they beat Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos.
In year three, he took them back to the Super Bowl,
and outside of maybe the dumbest play call inside the
five yard line in the history of sports, would have
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beaten Tom Brady and the Patriots in year three. Like
people at like Russ is some bum. Like Russ has
never had a season under sixty percent completion percentage. He's
never thrown for less than thirty one hundred yards in
the season, Chris in twelve years, he's got two years
where he's thrown for less than twenty five touchdown passes,
like Russ is a baller. If Russ, if Caleb Williams
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turns out to be Russell Wilson, guess what, everybody in Chicago,
get ready because y'all have a couple of parades. It's
gonna be magnificent.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, I feel you, And I think he obviously wasn't
the personality, right.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I think that's what he's talking about, personality, the.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Multiple parks and you heard about in Denver.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, And I think he's thinking of a guy. And
I don't know Russ personally.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I don't dislike Russ, you know, just from what I
see from the outside. But I think he's talking about,
you know, like you said the office in Denver and
Russ and some of it's just his polish, and a
lot of people think that's phony, but I think it's polish.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
He comes on.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
He is clearly a guy that had greater aspirations than
just being a great quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
And you know, the.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Marketing of himself, the videotaping of himself and the social media.
The way he speaks, it speaks of a guy that
is like, you know, I'm not just a regular player.
I don't think it speaks of arrogance in terms of
the way you view other teammates, but it's like, I'm
here to do more than just play football. And I
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think that's probably what he meant. And obviously there were
some negative views of Russ in the locker room too
in Seattle, so I'm not just trying to clean it up.
But what so you said thirty five and up are
going to feel that way. Absolutely what I mean you,
I don't know how much you talk with current players
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and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
A lot have.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Things changed to where there is no rookie hazing so
to speak, and all that stuff anymore.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
I think it has a lot to do with the
core group of veterans.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
And where they varies from team to team. Yeah, and
where they are in their career.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I mean, you got some teams with a group of veterans,
it's old school, it's gonna be old school. You got
some other teams with a group of veterans have already
all gotten paid. They don't really give a damn. They
just gonna do their job and make sure they money rate.
And you know, whatever happened happens. So it just it
varies from team to team. You know, my thing would
be this, and I'm I'm a big fan of Caleb
Williams talent, but I think when an athlete in a
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team sport wants to be transcendent, right, and there's gotta
be there's gotta be some kind of lineage of championships.
Like they didn't win a championship of that Sea, They
lost in a back to a title game, they lost
a two lead in the Cutting Bowl.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
That didn't make it the second year. Like it's not
like he's coming in.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
You don't haven't won a Natty in college football or
even a conference title. Like granted he won the individual award,
the Heisman. I get that. I had tip to you
much respect, but for the real respect to come from,
like the guys that would be in the conversation of
being on the NFL Mount Rushmore, you gotta have some titles, man,
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you gotta have won.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I feel you because and you know you're pat Riley,
say keep the.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Main thing, the main thing.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's fine to have aspirations of being transcendent, to use
your word, and I think that's a perfect word. Russ
clearly wanted to be transcendent. It seems like Caleb may
want that, and that's fine, but I think you have
to realize the way.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I become transcendent is to win. Period. Like you can't
put the car before the horse.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You can't be like focused on wanting to be transcendent
and not focused on Man, let me just be the
best quarterback I can be.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I'll be.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
The transcendence will come and I feel you, like almost
everybody who wanted to be transcendent, focused on the sport first.
I do believe now Lebron James is a little bit
of an a little bit of an exception because he
clear he came into the league. I was around the
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Brown a lot when he was younger in the league.
He wanted to be transcending. He said in interviews he
wants to be you know, like Muhammad Ali and all
of that stuff, but he's still focused on the sport.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
And to your point, basketball is.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
A little different than football, and that the locker room's
much smaller. One player can have a huge, much bigger impact,
even a quarterback in the NFL, you know, I don't
know that they have. I mean they have a huge
impact too, but as far as like one player of
five in basketball in the court, you know, you can
make a little bit more of an impact perhaps.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
And to be honest, I mean Lebron James is so
unique of a test case because I mean, hell, he
was a rookie Abe Lincoln was president. I mean he's
been in the nbaight for seventy year. Rod Parker joke, No,
let's be honest. After year after year seven with the Calves,
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which seven as a hell of a career for a
professional athlete. If his career would have been over at
that point, he's not considered you anything.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Even he not near the goat conversation.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Right, But I mean he got a reset on his
career in Miami, went down with a bunch of higher
guns lost the first year. But I think really learned
how to be a champion, spent another four there, went
back to Cleveland and cleaned up any bad blood that
still lingered from him leaving the first time. And now
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he's all about his business now that he's back in LA.
So most athletes don't get, you know, all of those
resets from a career standpoint.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That's fair, but I agree, like it is interesting because
when I heard that story about Caleb, that was I mean, look,
you heard it being told in a very positive way,
but that did that was the first thing that cross
my mind.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Like, like, Chris, what is he standing on? What is
he standing on outside of I'm the number one pick?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Like you said nothing?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And again I don't be little that, but there's no
way I don't care who you are in football. I mean,
we've seen too many number one picks not paying out.
And I'm not saying he's not gonna pan out, but
you just can't rest on that. Like it's not like
you're coming in and automatically you're going to be great.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
It just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And having lived a lot of my life on the
grass where like you really compete in I feel like
you got to earn the right to even break down,
like the way I would have handled it as a rookie.
If we had an issue, I would have first got
with my fellow rookies and say, is this something even
worth like making a big fuss about or is it
something we can handle on our own? And if it
was a consensus or at least a majority in the rookies,
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then I would go privately to one of the vets
and say, what you think about this, Like I think
there's a protocol to becoming the leader of a football team,
Like that's a different kind of animal than some of
these other sports where your skill kind of elevates you quickly.
Like in football, man, listen, you gotta prove what you can.
Go out there, when you get knocked on your butt,
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get back up consistently. When you go out there and
you throw three picks in the first three quarters, you
got enough middle fortitude and toughness to come back and
still have great body language and bring us back and
win a game no one thought we could win.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Like, those things are earned on the.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Grass, not by where you're drafted, not by your Q rating,
now by the level of celebrity profile that you have
at a specific point.
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Speaker 9 (24:59):
Brother, Christmassar, Sean King, how you guys doing today?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Man?
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Well, so you're.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Great, man, We are great, and uh, lots lot of
stuff going on with Team USA.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Let's get right to it. Are people overreacting?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Of Jason Tatum?
Speaker 9 (25:18):
Go ahead, yes, People are overreacting to everything. People are
overreacting to the benching of Jason Tatum. People are overreacting
to the DNP with.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Joe L and B.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
Like, I get it right, this is the only thing
that's going on basketball wise, that's the only thing that's
going on. So, you know, for talk radio purposes, for
you know, TV shows, you have to find something.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I get it.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
I don't think I haven't found an issue yet. Until
Team USA loses and lose.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I'm not tripping.
Speaker 9 (25:50):
I don't care how it happens.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
As long.
Speaker 9 (25:51):
If you don't win gold, there's a problem. If you
do win gold, realistically speaking, I don't care how you
do it. You ain't gonna make everybody happy. This is
the team four of eleven guys that have been All
Stars eleven. The only guy that hasn't been an All
Star is Derek White. All eleven of the other guys
have been All Stars. Like, I get it, you can't
make everybody happy. And we had a conversation earlier in
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my show, like would you rather they played three minutes
or not play at all?
Speaker 6 (26:24):
I feel that I gotta push back a little bit
on this, Chris.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I mean, because you did say they had one none
All Star and he played like I could understand if
White didn't get in the game, if Booker barely got minutes.
You know some of the guys that you could objectively
say they played over Jason Tatum. But we're talking about
a six ft eight ten twenty six year old who's
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really not a matchup problem no matter who you're playing,
as far as we're a negative for you.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Okay, that was an oversight by or either in Tempi.
Speaker 9 (27:01):
Listen, it wasn't an oversight because he told Jason Tatum
in advance he wasn't going to play.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Okay, Okay, so it's not look to.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
It's something that happened throughout the course of the game.
He told Tatum before the game started that he wasn't
going to play.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
This is part of that game. I'm a issue. And
here's the thing though, and I'm thinking that I'm trying.
Speaker 9 (27:19):
To think about this from a from a coach's point
of view. There are two guys on this team out
of all twelve, that I could realistically see and make
a true case for resting at different points. You know
who those two guys are for me, Jason Tatum and
joellenb Those are the only two now, excluding Lebron James
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because of his age and excluding Steph Curry because of
their age. Outside of those two, the other two guys
that I can come to and say, you know what,
Joel Andb's playing with a giant brace on his knee.
He has not moved well. He came into the Olympics
kind of lipping around. Okay, I can see time and
opportunity to rest Him'm gonna do it. There's not a
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player on this team that has played longer and long
more minutes and had a bigger impact for his team.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Than Jason Tatum.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Okay, that's right.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Understand the thought process.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Okay, I see, because I was wondering where you were
going with Tatum.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
But that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Let me ask this you you mentioned it be first
of all, I do believe Antonio that Steve Kerr's decision
not to play Embiid at all, like no minutes was
related to Tatum because to me, that gives Kerr cover.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
I know this. I was like, you know what I mean.
I don't know if it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Sounds negative, but but you know, now he can really say, Look,
it was never about Tatum. It was all about matchup.
Joel Emsey's a freaking MVP, and he didn't play against
Toudan because it wasn't a good matchup, so it lay
off the Tatum stuff. But let me ask you, I
want this is what I wanted to ask you about Embiid.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Okay, I he hasn't looked good to your point, and
I think Antonio that.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Joe l Embiid is this This is the beginning of
the most scrutinized.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Era of his NBA career.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Like I think for an MVP who has never gotten
to the conference finals, and he's the only one ever
who's never reached the conference finals as an MVP.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
He has gotten passing some of.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
It he was injured or even if he played, we
know he was banged up. You know, James Harden took
a lot of hits. Doc Rivers took a lot of hits.
Ben Simmons took a lot of hits. Like MBAD has
been able to skate away from the responsibility of their underachievement.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I think those days are done.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I think we see him in the Olympics looking worse
than Bam out of by you and Anthony Davis, and
I get it is a different game.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
And you know he's getting Paul George Tyres Max.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
He's ascending like if they don't get it done, he
I think deserve and he's gonna have to take a
lot of the blame.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
And realistically, Chris, I think that he should have taken
a lot of the blame leading us to this point
because everybody else that we talk about that we put
him from the same tier as took that same blame.
Janna took that blame. You know, Joe Jokis took that blame.
Lebron took that blame. Everybody else took that blame, so
I don't understand why. And again, Joel Embiid has been injured.
(30:17):
He's injured a good amount. You know, the availability has
been an issue for Joeanby.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
That's why I.
Speaker 9 (30:22):
Can understand resting him during it these games.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I've said this.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
From from game one. I understand the I don't know.
You can tell me this, Chris. Do you think that
aim a starting spot was promised to Joel Embiid if
he joined Team USA?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
It seems like it, right because he's been the one
he Lebron and Steph and we understand Lebron and Steph right,
but he's been ad is obviously played better and he's
basically of the similar stature to Embiid. So why do
you know, I mean like stature in the league. So
why I do think that probably.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Was the case.
Speaker 9 (31:00):
And if that's the case, like because I felt from
day one that again, Joel Embiid is Joel Embiid MVP.
I get all that came in second MVP two years
in a row.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I understand all that, But when you're.
Speaker 9 (31:11):
Talking about the Olympic Game, Anthony Davis and pam Ontebayo
are a better fit on both sides of the ball
than Joel Embiid is. And that's no disrespect to Joel
Embi because this isn't the NBA. This team wants to
play fast, they want to have switch ability, and they
won't have had defensive.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Versus utility the ability to switch everything.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
Right, So Joel Embi doesn't fit that. He doesn't fit that,
and that's okay.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I understand bringing him in because now you're keeping.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
Him so you don't have to play against him. But
I feel like, honestly, it's tough to say about an MVP.
To me, Joel Embiid is the eye man out.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
He looks like he's in the way, right, I'll be honest.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Guy, it shouldn't be on the team. I mean, he's
been in the league ten years.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
He ruined Mark kill Faults, he ruined Ben Simmons. He
made Jimmy made Jimmy, made Jimmy Butler want to leave
he couldn't. He made James Harden want to leave some conaway,
Paul George still want to go there.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Let me ask you this, Antoni, I know that was
that was a mouthful of some nonsense, some sort of
true half truth. But anyway, he's only constant mb Antonio.
I'm asking you this because to me, he's looking like
a guy and he's great. We know how great he
is in the NBA, at least in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
But he's looking like.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
A guy who doesn't really know how to play if
he's not the focal point of the offense.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
But he is that fair not alone, yes, but he's
not alone. Jason Tatum, Devin Booker, a lot of these like,
here's the thing. I used to have this conversation with
Gilbert Arenas all the time. Me playing for thirteen years
as a role player in the NBA, I can respect
so much a guy that goes out there and puts
up in between twenty and thirty points on the ninth
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to night basis when at first on the depth chart.
But I have to have this conversation with Gilbert all
the time. There's something to be said about being a
role player and have to be efficient with the shots
in your minute.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
You know what you're saying.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
Right now, you're seeing what Devin Booker looks like with
seven shots or first shot. You're seeing what Jayson Tatum
looks like with four shots. These are role player. These
are what role players have to do. This is what
Sam Hauser have to do. This is what different role
players have to do for the Phoenix Suns. I have
seen Devin Booker take fifteen shots in a quarter, right,
(33:34):
it may take him three games to get the fifteen shots. Now,
I have to tell Gilbert all the time, it's.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
What these sides do.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
When you miss your first five and you get another
fifteen to make up for it.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
It's all good.
Speaker 9 (33:47):
When you miss your first five and you may not
get another attempt. Now you're zero for five for the game.
That looks a lot worse.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
I'm going to stand by this.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
I think Zion Williamson should have been on the team
instead of on be And I know it's an injury situation,
but that talent fits the team way better than mb.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (34:07):
I mean, I get it.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I mean Antonia says you you you covered a team
that that Zion plays.
Speaker 9 (34:14):
For, so and my thing is Zion would be a
matchup night in there for whoever he plays against.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
This isn't a like if you're watching Team USA, the
only guy that's in his closest to his natural habitat
is Lebron James. Everybody else is kind of getting in
where they fit in. Like this isn't the NBA where
you give the ball to a guy and say, you
know what, go ahead, go one on one because it
doesn't work. You know that we have the most talented team,
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the longest team, the most athletic team, but yet we
are still switching up our starting lineup to make a
jestimus to fit South Studian And I get it. I
completely get it. There's a lot of different guys. I
feel like Dion being one that you could plug in
for Joel Embi and make a legitimate case for it.
You can plug in somebody like Jaylan Brown.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
You can plug in somebody like Paul George. You can
plug in somebody like Zion.
Speaker 9 (35:09):
Because defensive versatility and switchability and speed and athleticism is
the most important thing.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I do think answer, and I think we're going to
win the gold medal. But I think that those challenges
of stars and superstars and guys who are the focal
point of their offense having to be role players. I
think that adjustment or uncertainty or discomfort, if you will,
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I think that's the thing that gives these other teams
at least someone three shot, right, like, because yeah, yeah,
I mean we probably could have a better team of that.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Was more you know, some role players and some stars.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
But the thing is other teams have been playing together
for like five seven years, you know what I mean,
Like their roles are defined already a lot of these
teams came into camp knowing who they are. Think about it,
Germany with Dennis Shrewder and the Wagner brothers and and
Daniel Tyson, those guys they won the World Games last year.
How many of these guys that are part of this
team were part of that World Games team last year at.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
The Edward Edwards.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah it was book Yeah, but.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
It was very few Devin Booker.
Speaker 9 (36:19):
Yeah, so the chemistry, like we're basically relying on pure talent.
We're lying on talent to be teams other teams.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Go ahead, hey, right quick, before we let you go,
who's the biggest threat right quick? To the USA team
and these Olympics.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
It might be Germany.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I think it would be Germany, I do.
Speaker 9 (36:41):
I think it's Germany, And then after that, I think
it's probably Canada.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I think those are the only two because France.
Speaker 9 (36:48):
France doesn't have enough outside of those guys, along with
the officials working for those like really helping those guys out.
I just I think those are the two teams. I
would go with Germany one in Canada too.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Real quick because we got a run.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
But Wimby, I mean, I've been thinking that he's gonna
make a big jump next year just from the confidence
and offseason work. From what you've seen. I know it's
only been a couple of games, is that what you foresee? Like,
what type of season would you predict for him? Looking
at what he's done in these Olympics.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
I'm going to to me it has It's not the
Olympics because it's the Olympics. Is officiated different, the rules
are different, the game is shorter. I feel like in
the next year or two, Victor Woman Yama has the
potential and probably will be the best player in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, yeah, I argue, Yeah, all right, that's our man answer.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Daniels, great stuff, brother, for.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Sure, appreciate it. Y'all have a blessed night.
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
You know it better than anybody, as well as anybody.
The start it kind of, I mean, kind of the
official start. We know, of course it is just an
exhibition game, but it's kind of the announcement that football
is back the Hall of Fame game in can't and
it can't Ohio. You know, of course, I'm from Ohio
(00:54):
and worked in that whole Canon area. Football is king
in Ohio and tonight the Houston Texans will face the
Chicago Bears. Of course, you know, won't be many starters,
if any starters out there, don't be looking for CJ. Stroud,
don't be looking for Caleb Williams, the number one pick
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in the draft who's now the quarterback of the Bears.
But you know, it gets it started and so I
do want to start talking about Caleb Williams, and there
is a ton of hype.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Sean.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm gonna set this up and then let you cook.
There is a ton of hype about Caleb Williams. I
have heard people predict that the Chicago Bears could get
to the Super Bowl. I have heard people say, and
this one is pretty accurate, that they can't. No number
one pick at quarterback has ever been set up this
(01:54):
well with this type of team.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You got some real weapons and dangerous play.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
DeAndre Swift, they picked up DJ Moore, They just signed
Keenan Allen, like they got some weapons up there in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Defense came on late last year, and so the hype.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Machine is in full effect for Caleb Williams to the
point where people expect him to come in running like
take you know, come.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Right in and pick off up where he left off
at USC.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And that the Bears, who I might add this, Sean,
in the best division in the NFC, with Green Bay
and Detroit and and even Minnesota, you know, could be
a little bit dangerous. So there's my question to you, Sean,
do you think Caleb Williams this year? I think I
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think he would be a really good quarterback down the line.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
But this year, do you think he can live up
to the hype.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Not the public's expectations. Not the public's hype. Are you
mentioned the things that the Bears have added, and you
mentioned the improvements of the Green Bay Packers and the
Detroit Lions. You didn't say them specifically, but you talked
about that conference and the difficulty. But really, Chris, the
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public is comparing him and the Bears to the Houston
Texans who were three thirteen and one last year and CJ.
Stroud was drafted number two in the draft and led
them to way I think it was ten and seven
record and a first round playoff win, a division title.
He threw with a twenty I think three touchdowns and
five picks.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
So that's what you say for a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Yeah, absolutely, but he didn't have any expectations. That kind
of surprised everyone. The Bears, I think, are in a
better position. They were seven and ten last year with
justin fields. As you mentioned all the improvements they made.
If you look at historically, Lincoln Riley quarterbacks have done well.
Initially in the National Football League. Kyler Murray I think
was a twenty touchdown, twelve pick god, I think Baker
(04:01):
Mayfield was a twenty seven touchdown. I think like fourteen
pick guys. So they've had success, but neither one of
those guys had expectations like this. So I'm gonna say no,
I'm not gonna say he doesn't have a good rookie year,
but I don't think him and the Bears live up
to the expectations because I think they're thinking when the North,
you know, make it, you know to the second third
(04:23):
round of the playoffs. I'm just not sure that jump
happens this year.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Well, and like you said, added on top of what
I said, with some people thinking they's a Super Bowl,
people looking at their weapons and how good they think
they can be. Also add on top of that, and
you mentioned him CJ Stroud, like what he did last year.
I do think people are looking at it like, well,
the CJ can come in and do it and let's
keep it real.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
CJ did it on the team.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That was supposed to be bad, had a rookie head coach,
none of his skilled position players have ever made a
Pro Bowl, and he turned them around into your point,
got him a playoff win, not only into the playoffs,
but an actual victory.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
But CJ. Stroud is the exception.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Most rookie quarterbacks, they might play okay or they might struggle.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
And I don't mean that doesn't mean they're not.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Gonna be good, but they might come in and you know,
they don't like the league on fire. He's really the
only one. Andrew Luck played well. And Luck was in
a pretty good situation too. I know, remember Indianapolis had
been bad the year they drafted him, but that was
kind of Peyton had left, you know, was gone, and
you know, they just were lost without Peyton Manny, but
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they had some pretty good players elsewhere and they won
eleven games and lux rookie year.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
But I'm with you. There are some out there.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I've heard say that Jalen Daniels in Washington, they think,
you know, late in the season, it's kind of they
think it'll be a CJ. Stret Not that Caleb will
be as bad as Rice Young was last year, but
they think it'll be a similar situation in that people
are saying the number two guy is better or at
(06:10):
least having a better season than the number one guy.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Where are you at on that?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Well, I had Jaydean Daniels ranked as a number one
quarterback in this group, and it wasn't close. I think
Jayden's better than Caleb in every factor that you quantify
at playing quarterback. The thing that worries you about Washington
they still have not fixed that offensive line. They have
good skilled position guys. I think they added Austin Eckler
at run to that backfield. But Terry McLaurin and that
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group are talented. But that offensive line was the reason
Sam Howell struggled mightily last year. I think they led
the league in sacks, if I'm not mistaken. So I
love Cliff Kingsbury as a OC. I think Dan Quinn
and those guys will do a good job. I love
Jayden Daniels as a talent. I just don't fully trust
the Washington offensive line.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Other than that, I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So why and I'm not necessarily there, I'm just saying
I've heard people say that.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
But why do you like Jaden better than Caleb?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Well, because he's proven more consistently that he can play
elite quarterback within the confines of the scheme. And so
when you talk about Caleb and the mastery that we
saw at USC A lot of it was ad lib,
A lot of it was him running around making three
guys throwing the ball back across the field. Most of
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Jaden's was inside the scheme of the offense, meaning the
ball was coming out in rhythm on time to the
right receiver. Then when everything broke down, he showed the
capacity to be able to be elite, also extending plays.
I think one of the big adjustments for Caleb is
him and Shane Waldron getting on the same page. Him
being able to throw the ball in rhythm on time
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from the pocket. I think eventually he'll become a really
good player. I'm not sure he's going to meet everyone's
expectations in your one.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, that's my main concern about him, as well as
playing on schedule.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
And they do have so many weapons.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You know, I failed to even mention Roman Duneesa the
rookie wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Right, you got three legit receivers.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
A tight end obviously, DeAndre Swiston Knights running back. They
just picked up, and I think those like it's a
situation where he doesn't have to do it all on
his own. Like if you do just play on schedule,
assuming he gets some protection, then those guys, you know,
you can just throw it where it's supposed to be
(08:37):
and you'll have a nice season, do you think, I
mean that's not his natural thing, right, because that's not
what he did at USC or he didn't have the.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Talent around him. Yeah, he created on his own.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Could you do you see, like, at least initially, maybe
a tension there where he's passing up the easy play
and maybe making things a little more difficult than they
need to be, even if he may make a play
here or there, and even and that's a question. I mean,
he's gonna make some plays, but you know, dudes are
faster in the NFL. Dude, you're like, and he's not
(09:09):
like a super athlete in turn, you know, like a
Lamar Jackson runner.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
So I don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
He's gonna be able to run away from people like
he did in college either.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I think he'll be evasive. I think his functional mobility
is a it's a lot like a rock party type
of player. Rock Purty doesn't get enough.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Really, So you don't think he's more athletic than brock Purty.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Now slightly, But I think brock Purty is a lot
more athletic than people give him credit for I think
Caleb just does it more. I coached a kid to
the offensive player of the Year in the AAC Conference
down at USF's name is Quinton Flowers.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
You can change.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
A athletic quarterback that shusta extending plays into a guy
that plays within rhythm if he's willing to change. And
that's just something we won't know about Caleb because you
hear so much. You know, they didn't sign a traditional agent.
They use attorneys. They wanted a percentage of the franchise.
They wanted the language and the contract not to have
(10:10):
you know, franchise tagging it.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
So you just.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
It makes you think, how willing is he to change
when he's trying so hard to be like this.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Enigmatic like I.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Mean, I broke all the rules, you know, I didn't,
you know, kind of conform.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
To like how things will be. He seems to be
a non conformist. I mean even fingernail painting and all
that stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
So because of those things, it gives you pause as
to he's gonna be willing to really come into Shane
Walterson's offense. And on first and ten when they call
a double move down the field, but the defense has
a double covert that he will in rhythm throw the
ball to the flat like I just think that it
takes time for a god that's had so much success
doing it his way to fully buy into to be
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in a system quarterback that has the ability to be
great when needed.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And you've heard people compare him to you know, could
he be a Patrick Mahomes, because you know, Mahomes obviously
very good off schedule and all that, and early in
his career he did a lot of that. But Mahomes
sat behind, you know, a good quarterback Alex Smith right
learned the system for a year when he wasn't playing,
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and then of course had one of the greatest offensive
minds we've seen in Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And even c J. Stroud. You had Bobby.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Slowick, who you know, I did a great job with
him last.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Year as the OC and Brilliam mind.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, And so obviously that coaching staff in you know, Chicago,
I think they're somewhat somewhat on the hot seat. I mean,
I tru he might be a little right, So it's
not like it's a proven staff yet. So I don't
know that he's gonna have the benefits of these great offenses.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
And the one thing that he has that neither of
those two examples have is high expectations. Nobody we knew
who Patrick Mahomes was the majority of people coming out
of Texas Tech, right, even though he's a first round pick,
people like, who is that?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You know?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
I remember the whole conversation about c J. Stroud was
he didn't score well on this new test that the
NFL has, and people were like they had him dropping
out the first round. I heard so that nobody expected
the Texas to be good. People are expecting, as you said,
in some instances the Bears to be a NFC representative
in the Super Bowl. So I just the expectations are
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Speaker 4 (12:31):
The can that can work against you too, you know.
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Speaker 1 (13:17):
It was interesting because we were talking to Danny Parkins,
who's a radio personality in Chicago just last hour Sean,
and he brought up how Kevin Byard, who is a
respected veteran, a very good player, and Byard said that
assigned to him of the leadership of Caleb Williams is
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that he said to all the veterans or the whole team,
including a lot of veterans, that.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
You know, hey, guys, you know we're all grown men.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
We have you know, there's a lot of trash, you know,
around the facility and you know, water bottles or whatever.
Let's go ahead and pick these up, you know, for
the people that are cleaning. And you came in and
you said that that wasn't leadership. When you were in
the NFL in the early two thousands and as a rookie,
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you and the other rookies were expected to clean that
stuff up.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Amani Toomor, who.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Of course was a wide receiver in the league for
a long time great player. Here here's what he had
to say this morning on the cart and show about that.
Speaker 8 (14:25):
He's Russell Wilson two point Zeroh, this is not gonna
go over well, if you came in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I've been here.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
I've been in this locker room for eight years, like
you said, And you know, some rookies gonna come in
who hasn't played one snap talking with wearing the fingernail polish.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You know.
Speaker 8 (14:43):
Now he's gonna come in here and tell me we've
been here, who've been through the struggle that I need
to clean up? No, how about rookie, how about you
clean up after me?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
How about that?
Speaker 8 (14:52):
Don't give me this crap. I don't like it at all.
I feel like rookies should earn their respect. Sure, just
because you got drafted number one doesn't mean to me
because I don't even know if you're good.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
I mean, I think you're gonna hear most.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Thirty five and up current or former NFL players have
that same opinion. Give you that same narrative, like the
entitlement of somebody coming into the locker room that's never
done a thing at this level.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Is at an all time high.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Like, it's not guaranteed that just because you are really
ballyhed and the number one pick We've seen plenty of
them go by.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Where you get drafted doesn't really matter outside of the
size of the initial check. You still gotta go and
prove it, Like you're gonna get a little more leeway
from the team if they invested a high pick on you.
But as far as the respect it goes in the league,
you gotta go and show that what you did in
college you're capable of doing on this level. So I
agree with Amani wholeheartedly. Outside of one significant thing. We
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gotta put some respect on Russell Wilson's name, like Russ
is the most Yeah, when the Ducie is the most
underappreciated quarterback. And I'm gonna say this, and this isn't
clickbait in the history of the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Russell Wilson came into the NFL in twenty twelve as
a rookie, took the Seahawks to the playoffs, won a
playoff game. His second year, he took them to the
Super Bowl and they beat Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos.
In year three, he took them back to the Super Bowl,
and outside of maybe the dumbest play call inside the
five yard line in the history of sports, would have
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beaten Tom Brady and the Patriots in year three. Like
people at like Russ is some bum. Like Russ has
never had a season under sixty percent completion percentage. He's
never thrown for less than thirty one hundred yards in
the season, Chris in twelve years, he's got two years
where he's thrown for less than twenty five touchdown passes,
like Russ is a baller. If Russ, if Caleb Williams
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turns out to be Russell Wilson, guess what, everybody in Chicago,
get ready because y'all have a couple of parades. It's
gonna be magnificent.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, I feel you, And I think he obviously wasn't
the personality, right.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I think that's what he's talking about, personality, the.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Multiple parks and you heard about in Denver.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, And I think he's thinking of a guy. And
I don't know Russ personally.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I don't dislike Russ, you know, just from what I
see from the outside. But I think he's talking about,
you know, like you said the office in Denver and
Russ and some of it's just his polish, and a
lot of people think that's phony, but I think it's polish.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
He comes on.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
He is clearly a guy that had greater aspirations than
just being a great quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
And you know, the.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Marketing of himself, the videotaping of himself and the social media.
The way he speaks, it speaks of a guy that
is like, you know, I'm not just a regular player.
I don't think it speaks of arrogance in terms of
the way you view other teammates, but it's like, I'm
here to do more than just play football. And I
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think that's probably what he meant. And obviously there were
some negative views of Russ in the locker room too
in Seattle, so I'm not just trying to clean it up.
But what so you said thirty five and up are
going to feel that way. Absolutely what I mean you,
I don't know how much you talk with current players
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and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
A lot have.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Things changed to where there is no rookie hazing so
to speak, and all that stuff anymore.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
I think it has a lot to do with the
core group of veterans.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
And where they varies from team to team. Yeah, and
where they are in their career.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I mean, you got some teams with a group of veterans,
it's old school, it's gonna be old school. You got
some other teams with a group of veterans have already
all gotten paid. They don't really give a damn. They
just gonna do their job and make sure they money rate.
And you know, whatever happened happens. So it just it
varies from team to team. You know, my thing would
be this, and I'm I'm a big fan of Caleb
Williams talent, but I think when an athlete in a
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team sport wants to be transcendent, right, and there's gotta
be there's gotta be some kind of lineage of championships.
Like they didn't win a championship of that Sea, They
lost in a back to a title game, they lost
a two lead in the Cutting Bowl.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
That didn't make it the second year. Like it's not
like he's coming in.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
You don't haven't won a Natty in college football or
even a conference title. Like granted he won the individual award,
the Heisman. I get that. I had tip to you
much respect, but for the real respect to come from,
like the guys that would be in the conversation of
being on the NFL Mount Rushmore, you gotta have some titles, man,
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you gotta have won.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I feel you because and you know you're pat Riley,
say keep the.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Main thing, the main thing.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's fine to have aspirations of being transcendent, to use
your word, and I think that's a perfect word. Russ
clearly wanted to be transcendent. It seems like Caleb may
want that, and that's fine, but I think you have
to realize the way.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I become transcendent is to win. Period. Like you can't
put the car before the horse.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You can't be like focused on wanting to be transcendent
and not focused on Man, let me just be the
best quarterback I can be.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I'll be.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
The transcendence will come and I feel you, like almost
everybody who wanted to be transcendent, focused on the sport first.
I do believe now Lebron James is a little bit
of an a little bit of an exception because he
clear he came into the league. I was around the
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Brown a lot when he was younger in the league.
He wanted to be transcending. He said in interviews he
wants to be you know, like Muhammad Ali and all
of that stuff, but he's still focused on the sport.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
And to your point, basketball is.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
A little different than football, and that the locker room's
much smaller. One player can have a huge, much bigger impact,
even a quarterback in the NFL, you know, I don't
know that they have. I mean they have a huge
impact too, but as far as like one player of
five in basketball in the court, you know, you can
make a little bit more of an impact perhaps.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
And to be honest, I mean Lebron James is so
unique of a test case because I mean, hell, he
was a rookie Abe Lincoln was president. I mean he's
been in the nbaight for seventy year. Rod Parker joke, No,
let's be honest. After year after year seven with the Calves,
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which seven as a hell of a career for a
professional athlete. If his career would have been over at
that point, he's not considered you anything.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Even he not near the goat conversation.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Right, But I mean he got a reset on his
career in Miami, went down with a bunch of higher
guns lost the first year. But I think really learned
how to be a champion, spent another four there, went
back to Cleveland and cleaned up any bad blood that
still lingered from him leaving the first time. And now
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he's all about his business now that he's back in LA.
So most athletes don't get, you know, all of those
resets from a career standpoint.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That's fair, but I agree, like it is interesting because
when I heard that story about Caleb, that was I mean, look,
you heard it being told in a very positive way,
but that did that was the first thing that cross
my mind.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Like, like, Chris, what is he standing on? What is
he standing on outside of I'm the number one pick?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Like you said nothing?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And again I don't be little that, but there's no
way I don't care who you are in football. I mean,
we've seen too many number one picks not paying out.
And I'm not saying he's not gonna pan out, but
you just can't rest on that. Like it's not like
you're coming in and automatically you're going to be great.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
It just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And having lived a lot of my life on the
grass where like you really compete in I feel like
you got to earn the right to even break down,
like the way I would have handled it as a rookie.
If we had an issue, I would have first got
with my fellow rookies and say, is this something even
worth like making a big fuss about or is it
something we can handle on our own? And if it
was a consensus or at least a majority in the rookies,
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then I would go privately to one of the vets
and say, what you think about this, Like I think
there's a protocol to becoming the leader of a football team,
Like that's a different kind of animal than some of
these other sports where your skill kind of elevates you quickly.
Like in football, man, listen, you gotta prove what you can.
Go out there, when you get knocked on your butt,
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get back up consistently. When you go out there and
you throw three picks in the first three quarters, you
got enough middle fortitude and toughness to come back and
still have great body language and bring us back and
win a game no one thought we could win.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Like, those things are earned on the.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Grass, not by where you're drafted, not by your Q rating,
now by the level of celebrity profile that you have
at a specific point.
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Speaker 9 (24:59):
Brother, Christmassar, Sean King, how you guys doing today?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Man?
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Well, so you're.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Great, man, We are great, and uh, lots lot of
stuff going on with Team USA.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Let's get right to it. Are people overreacting?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Of Jason Tatum?
Speaker 9 (25:18):
Go ahead, yes, People are overreacting to everything. People are
overreacting to the benching of Jason Tatum. People are overreacting
to the DNP with.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Joe L and B.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
Like, I get it right, this is the only thing
that's going on basketball wise, that's the only thing that's
going on. So, you know, for talk radio purposes, for
you know, TV shows, you have to find something.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I get it.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
I don't think I haven't found an issue yet. Until
Team USA loses and lose.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I'm not tripping.
Speaker 9 (25:50):
I don't care how it happens.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
As long.
Speaker 9 (25:51):
If you don't win gold, there's a problem. If you
do win gold, realistically speaking, I don't care how you
do it. You ain't gonna make everybody happy. This is
the team four of eleven guys that have been All
Stars eleven. The only guy that hasn't been an All
Star is Derek White. All eleven of the other guys
have been All Stars. Like, I get it, you can't
make everybody happy. And we had a conversation earlier in
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my show, like would you rather they played three minutes
or not play at all?
Speaker 6 (26:24):
I feel that I gotta push back a little bit
on this, Chris.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I mean, because you did say they had one none
All Star and he played like I could understand if
White didn't get in the game, if Booker barely got minutes.
You know some of the guys that you could objectively
say they played over Jason Tatum. But we're talking about
a six ft eight ten twenty six year old who's
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really not a matchup problem no matter who you're playing,
as far as we're a negative for you.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Okay, that was an oversight by or either in Tempi.
Speaker 9 (27:01):
Listen, it wasn't an oversight because he told Jason Tatum
in advance he wasn't going to play.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Okay, Okay, so it's not look to.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
It's something that happened throughout the course of the game.
He told Tatum before the game started that he wasn't
going to play.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
This is part of that game. I'm a issue. And
here's the thing though, and I'm thinking that I'm trying.
Speaker 9 (27:19):
To think about this from a from a coach's point
of view. There are two guys on this team out
of all twelve, that I could realistically see and make
a true case for resting at different points. You know
who those two guys are for me, Jason Tatum and
joellenb Those are the only two now, excluding Lebron James
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because of his age and excluding Steph Curry because of
their age. Outside of those two, the other two guys
that I can come to and say, you know what,
Joel Andb's playing with a giant brace on his knee.
He has not moved well. He came into the Olympics
kind of lipping around. Okay, I can see time and
opportunity to rest Him'm gonna do it. There's not a
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player on this team that has played longer and long
more minutes and had a bigger impact for his team.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Than Jason Tatum.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Okay, that's right.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Understand the thought process.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Okay, I see, because I was wondering where you were
going with Tatum.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
But that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Let me ask this you you mentioned it be first
of all, I do believe Antonio that Steve Kerr's decision
not to play Embiid at all, like no minutes was
related to Tatum because to me, that gives Kerr cover.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
I know this. I was like, you know what I mean.
I don't know if it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Sounds negative, but but you know, now he can really say, Look,
it was never about Tatum. It was all about matchup.
Joel Emsey's a freaking MVP, and he didn't play against
Toudan because it wasn't a good matchup, so it lay
off the Tatum stuff. But let me ask you, I
want this is what I wanted to ask you about Embiid.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Okay, I he hasn't looked good to your point, and
I think Antonio that.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Joe l Embiid is this This is the beginning of
the most scrutinized.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Era of his NBA career.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Like I think for an MVP who has never gotten
to the conference finals, and he's the only one ever
who's never reached the conference finals as an MVP.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
He has gotten passing some of.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
It he was injured or even if he played, we
know he was banged up. You know, James Harden took
a lot of hits. Doc Rivers took a lot of hits.
Ben Simmons took a lot of hits. Like MBAD has
been able to skate away from the responsibility of their underachievement.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I think those days are done.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I think we see him in the Olympics looking worse
than Bam out of by you and Anthony Davis, and
I get it is a different game.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
And you know he's getting Paul George Tyres Max.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
He's ascending like if they don't get it done, he
I think deserve and he's gonna have to take a
lot of the blame.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
And realistically, Chris, I think that he should have taken
a lot of the blame leading us to this point
because everybody else that we talk about that we put
him from the same tier as took that same blame.
Janna took that blame. You know, Joe Jokis took that blame.
Lebron took that blame. Everybody else took that blame, so
I don't understand why. And again, Joel Embiid has been injured.
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He's injured a good amount. You know, the availability has
been an issue for Joeanby.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
That's why I.
Speaker 9 (30:22):
Can understand resting him during it these games.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I've said this.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
From from game one. I understand the I don't know.
You can tell me this, Chris. Do you think that
aim a starting spot was promised to Joel Embiid if
he joined Team USA?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
It seems like it, right because he's been the one
he Lebron and Steph and we understand Lebron and Steph right,
but he's been ad is obviously played better and he's
basically of the similar stature to Embiid. So why do
you know, I mean like stature in the league. So
why I do think that probably.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Was the case.
Speaker 9 (31:00):
And if that's the case, like because I felt from
day one that again, Joel Embiid is Joel Embiid MVP.
I get all that came in second MVP two years
in a row.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I understand all that, But when you're.
Speaker 9 (31:11):
Talking about the Olympic Game, Anthony Davis and pam Ontebayo
are a better fit on both sides of the ball
than Joel Embiid is. And that's no disrespect to Joel
Embi because this isn't the NBA. This team wants to
play fast, they want to have switch ability, and they
won't have had defensive.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Versus utility the ability to switch everything.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
Right, So Joel Embi doesn't fit that. He doesn't fit that,
and that's okay.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I understand bringing him in because now you're keeping.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
Him so you don't have to play against him. But
I feel like, honestly, it's tough to say about an MVP.
To me, Joel Embiid is the eye man out.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
He looks like he's in the way, right, I'll be honest.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Guy, it shouldn't be on the team. I mean, he's
been in the league ten years.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
He ruined Mark kill Faults, he ruined Ben Simmons. He
made Jimmy made Jimmy, made Jimmy Butler want to leave
he couldn't. He made James Harden want to leave some conaway,
Paul George still want to go there.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Let me ask you this, Antoni, I know that was
that was a mouthful of some nonsense, some sort of
true half truth. But anyway, he's only constant mb Antonio.
I'm asking you this because to me, he's looking like
a guy and he's great. We know how great he
is in the NBA, at least in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
But he's looking like.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
A guy who doesn't really know how to play if
he's not the focal point of the offense.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
But he is that fair not alone, yes, but he's
not alone. Jason Tatum, Devin Booker, a lot of these like,
here's the thing. I used to have this conversation with
Gilbert Arenas all the time. Me playing for thirteen years
as a role player in the NBA, I can respect
so much a guy that goes out there and puts
up in between twenty and thirty points on the ninth
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to night basis when at first on the depth chart.
But I have to have this conversation with Gilbert all
the time. There's something to be said about being a
role player and have to be efficient with the shots
in your minute.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
You know what you're saying.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
Right now, you're seeing what Devin Booker looks like with
seven shots or first shot. You're seeing what Jayson Tatum
looks like with four shots. These are role player. These
are what role players have to do. This is what
Sam Hauser have to do. This is what different role
players have to do for the Phoenix Suns. I have
seen Devin Booker take fifteen shots in a quarter, right,
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it may take him three games to get the fifteen shots. Now,
I have to tell Gilbert all the time, it's.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
What these sides do.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
When you miss your first five and you get another
fifteen to make up for it.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
It's all good.
Speaker 9 (33:47):
When you miss your first five and you may not
get another attempt. Now you're zero for five for the game.
That looks a lot worse.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
I'm going to stand by this.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
I think Zion Williamson should have been on the team
instead of on be And I know it's an injury situation,
but that talent fits the team way better than mb.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (34:07):
I mean, I get it.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I mean Antonia says you you you covered a team
that that Zion plays.
Speaker 9 (34:14):
For, so and my thing is Zion would be a
matchup night in there for whoever he plays against.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
This isn't a like if you're watching Team USA, the
only guy that's in his closest to his natural habitat
is Lebron James. Everybody else is kind of getting in
where they fit in. Like this isn't the NBA where
you give the ball to a guy and say, you
know what, go ahead, go one on one because it
doesn't work. You know that we have the most talented team,
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the longest team, the most athletic team, but yet we
are still switching up our starting lineup to make a
jestimus to fit South Studian And I get it. I
completely get it. There's a lot of different guys. I
feel like Dion being one that you could plug in
for Joel Embi and make a legitimate case for it.
You can plug in somebody like Jaylan Brown.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
You can plug in somebody like Paul George. You can
plug in somebody like Zion.
Speaker 9 (35:09):
Because defensive versatility and switchability and speed and athleticism is
the most important thing.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I do think answer, and I think we're going to
win the gold medal. But I think that those challenges
of stars and superstars and guys who are the focal
point of their offense having to be role players. I
think that adjustment or uncertainty or discomfort, if you will,
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I think that's the thing that gives these other teams
at least someone three shot, right, like, because yeah, yeah,
I mean we probably could have a better team of that.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Was more you know, some role players and some stars.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
But the thing is other teams have been playing together
for like five seven years, you know what I mean,
Like their roles are defined already a lot of these
teams came into camp knowing who they are. Think about it,
Germany with Dennis Shrewder and the Wagner brothers and and
Daniel Tyson, those guys they won the World Games last year.
How many of these guys that are part of this
team were part of that World Games team last year at.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
The Edward Edwards.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah it was book Yeah, but.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
It was very few Devin Booker.
Speaker 9 (36:19):
Yeah, so the chemistry, like we're basically relying on pure talent.
We're lying on talent to be teams other teams.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Go ahead, hey, right quick, before we let you go,
who's the biggest threat right quick? To the USA team
and these Olympics.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
It might be Germany.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I think it would be Germany, I do.
Speaker 9 (36:41):
I think it's Germany, And then after that, I think
it's probably Canada.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I think those are the only two because France.
Speaker 9 (36:48):
France doesn't have enough outside of those guys, along with
the officials working for those like really helping those guys out.
I just I think those are the two teams. I
would go with Germany one in Canada too.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Real quick because we got a run.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
But Wimby, I mean, I've been thinking that he's gonna
make a big jump next year just from the confidence
and offseason work. From what you've seen. I know it's
only been a couple of games, is that what you foresee? Like,
what type of season would you predict for him? Looking
at what he's done in these Olympics.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
I'm going to to me it has It's not the
Olympics because it's the Olympics. Is officiated different, the rules
are different, the game is shorter. I feel like in
the next year or two, Victor Woman Yama has the
potential and probably will be the best player in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, yeah, I argue, Yeah, all right, that's our man answer.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Daniels, great stuff, brother, for.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Sure, appreciate it. Y'all have a blessed night.
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