August 2, 2024 • 34 mins
Former NFL quarterback Shaun King is in for Rob, and he and Chris explain why Joel Embiid is such a clunky fit on this current Team USA Basketball roster and tell us the biggest issues they had with the top-10 of the NFL 100 as voted on by the players. Plus, Super Bowl champion and FS1 contributor Amani Toomer swings by to discuss his viral comments criticizing Caleb Williams’ leadership style, why this current crop of NFL veterans might be more lenient with rookies than veterans of the 1990s and early 2000s, why he has a problem with Brock Purdy ‘experimenting’ in training camp and much more!
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Team USA, which is two and zero, rolled over Serbia
by twenty six beat South Sudan I think it was
by seventeen. And how much you win by matters in
terms of seedings. So Steve Kirk came out and said
they want to beat Puerto Rico, who they play tomorrow,
by as many points as possible because they want to
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get the number one seed. That means you get a
lighter you know, schedule at least to start out with.
So that is the deal with Team USA. And also
Joel Embiid will be starting.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
It was announced that he didn't play.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
He started every exhibition and an Olympic game that he's played,
but he didn't play at all in the last game
against South Sudan.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Kert said it was a matchup issue.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
They were smaller, quicker, faster, three point shooting team.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
And that was true.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And so he didn't play em bead at all. But
MB will be back in the starting lineup. And you
just said it, boo, go ahead and Nicks bound.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
He's a square peg trying to be put in a
round hole. As I said yesterday when I think as
Antonio Daniels was on the show, Zion Williamson should have
been on the team in place of Joel Embiid and B.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
You just put a lot of people in stead, you know,
whether Zion or a lot of other people are.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
Too with the game more exciting, you know, try and
get people to tune in more.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
They're gonna win regardless.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I just want the women's team.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Told you they're not about, you know, drawing fans. They're
about winning. That's why they didn't have Kaylen Clark.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
I'm just saying, if they want those elevated checks, let
the men counterparts have start being about drawing fans.
Speaker 7 (02:09):
But I just and B doesn't fit in any way.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
It's almost like the Olympic team felt obligated to bring
Joel because he was m VP.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Or because he chose them.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Remember, he could have played for France, could have played
for Cameron. He chose to play for Team USA, and
a lot.
Speaker 7 (02:28):
Of people choose America for citizenship.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Right, But I mean he had the choice of which
team to play for.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I look, I think they thought he would be their size.
You know, last year in the Feeble World Cup, we
ran into trouble against some of these teams that were
bigger than us, and we're bullying us. I mean, we
got our rebounded dramatically and we needed some bulk. But
as I've said, and I hate, I hate to even
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keep saying it, because I've been saying this almost in
Beads entire career, at least as long as he's really
since he became a star, which was pretty much right away.
I've been saying, dude, you play, you might as well
be six ' four.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
He plays on the perimeter, yes.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
And again he is a phenomenal mid range jump shooter.
So I don't want to I'm not saying I want
you to go down and post up on the block
like Shack and be there ninety five percent of the
game or or one hundred percent of the game.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
I'm just saying I want you to post up one
percent of the game and remind me of Shack.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I Yeah, I mean I do.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I want you to still shoot the mid range jumper
because you're so good at it, but when the situation
calls for it, you need to go down low. And
whether it's posting up, whether it's backing somebody down, whether
it's cutting, flashing across the lane to the to the
low post, whatever it may be. And the fact that
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he won't do it, Sean is a problem on this team.
That's why you're.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Talking about, you know, him being a square peg.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, because the one thing he could give us that
most of our other players couldn't is dominus down low.
We don't need him on the perimeter every single time
he's on the floor. He's got four excellent perimeter jump
shooters or four good shooters with him.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Let them have the perimeter.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
So now you, with your seven foot three hundred pounds behind,
want to be out there with them, you getting in
their way.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Would it be fair if I said he's probably the
most frustrating player in the entire NBA. You can't say
he's not productive because he produces. He can't say he's
not skilled because he's skilled, but he's frustrating to watch
because even when he has a great game, you know
it could be greater. Like when he goes to those
stretches where he's kind of lily gagging up the court
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that'll never make it pass a three point.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Game looks incredibly lazy. Yeah, I'm not gonna call him
him lazy, but man, his I will agree. I tend
to agree with you on that watching him play, I say,
and most people I've said it to you have agreed with it.
He just got a lazy game. Yeah, Like he looks
like he is just not giving it his all.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And he might be. I'm not saying he's not, but
he looks that way and.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It does frustrate you because it looks like he's just
not playing hard, not going one hundred percent. And especially
I think it's compounded by the fact that he really
won't go down low and bang. And he's the biggest
thing in the world essentially as far as not just
height but body size, and.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
He won't go down there and use it.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
And what's why I put frustrating as a label for him,
because the thirty percent of the time that he is
on the low block, he's shooting a fadeaway jumper. Yeah,
and this was to me a huge misstep by the
US Olympic Team Men's basketball Committee. I could understand a
couple of years ago when the Gasol brothers were with
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Spain and they had Mark and Poull and you knew
you had that probably is your gold medal game and
you would need embid. But I mean outside of Serbia,
who by the way, em beat him for at all
costs in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You do need size.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
He playing to his size, yeah, but you need athleticism
with size and Olympics.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
To me, I mean everybody.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Everybody's not that athletic.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Jokic isn't incredibly athletic by what we term athletic athleticism.
He just plays hard, you know, and it doesn't look
like he's lovely. Let me put it that way.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
I just embeid.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I've said that MBAD should look at Jokic because, yes,
Jokish plays a lot.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
On the perimeter.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
He's a pastor, he's their point basically their point guard
in Denver. But he also when this again I use
the term, when the situation calls for it, he'll back
you down and score and there's no reason NB couldn't
do the same thing and.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
It should be shocked.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
It Yeah, he could, I mean he could be shocked.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I don't want to say better than Shaq, but he
he would have that mid range game that Shaq didn't
have or at least didn't you know, use, and that
could be even different.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
So it's just this might be an oversimplification, Chris, but
for a guy in Bead's size, he's probably dunked on
the least amount of people that I can recall. Like, normally,
a big guy like that is putting guys in the
rim at least once a night, even if he's not
an achem Elazwan with his back to the basket, like
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at least he's going to the hoop strong and finishing.
I can't recall anybody in beads duct on right right
off the top of my head.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Nah.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I mean, I don't know the numbers, but you might
be right.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I mean here, yeah, you don't. His highlight is a
fifteen foot right. I mean, I don't think of him
dunk When I think of him bid, you know, in
a positive way. I think of him hitting their mid
range jump shot. You know, I don't think of him
dunking on somebody.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
And this team is talented, but don't you think people
will be even more intrigued to watch them play if
Zion was on the team and play something.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I mean, Zion, look, you you ain't nobody people off Zion.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I don't know why I'm not.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
He's always fine.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Okay, he's always hurt. I'm not totally.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Off him, and I don't think anybody's completely off him.
But this whole like the fact he's not the draw
he used to be. He is now at a stage
where he's gonna have to show us. He's gonna have
to earn it back because people are just like, dude,
he's hurt.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
A great stage to earn it back.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Does it rebound? I don't know that he I don't
know what he does on the stand. I mean, we
win it with or without him, but which is more exciting.
I just don't think he's you know, I don't think
he's like the draw that he used to be. Sure
he might get some nice dunks, but but you know.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
He's a guy.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
He's another guy that has the ball in his hands
a lot, and I think that's gonna change with the
makeup of their team now. Or at least to some degree,
doesn't shoot the three, but doesn't always like post up
a lot either. To me, he could be out there
getting he could be out there getting in your way too.
But this is another thing I want to throw at
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you and tell me what you think. I also feel
like mbead looks like a guy that doesn't know what
to do when the ball's not in his hands, or
I should say, when when he is not the focal
point of the offense. I brought that up to Antonio Daniel.
I was going to bring that up, but I think
it's a little different, like.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Devin Booker isn't necessarily the focal point in Phoenix. I mean,
you got Kevin durant to.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I think it's to an elevated level within bid that
unless he's the focal point, he.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Really doesn't know what to do. And think about it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
He started playing basketball late, played the year at Kansas,
and every time he's been essentially on the team, certainly
at the pro level, he's been the focal point.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Yeah, I thought made a great point. I thought Antonio
made a great point. Chris, he said being in the
Olympics is an opportunity, and he would say I think
it was Gilbert Arenas. He said he was having a
conversation with about how much harder it is to be
a role player than to be the number one option.
And I think that's what you're seeing with m bib.
Speaker 7 (10:39):
He's used to.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
They don't come down to court three times in a
row and not call a play for a design for him.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Be three times in a row.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
I don't care how hot Max he is.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
And so what you're what you're seeing is because the
players aren't called for him, he's kind of lost, like
what do I do. He's not a guy that impacts
the game regardless if he's scoring or if he's taking shots.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Nah, because he I mean, he does get you ten
or eleven rebounds just by virtue of his size. But yeah,
he's not like a dominant rebounder. He is a good defender,
but he's not like a terrifying defender. And obviously you
know he's a fine passer, but he's not like great
at that. Yeah, I mean, and again, a guy that's
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that tall, like even win bin Yama, and obviously he's
taller than Himbaid. Yes, he plays on the perimeter, but
he also plays to his size. He's blocking a lot
of shots, you know what I mean, He's at an.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Effort level and trying to contest shots as much better
than m bead and not really even under their contestant shots.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
To be honest, look, Anthony Davis should be starting, and
their speculator felt like they promised him be a starting
role if he chose to play for America.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
There. You know, the reports have said that's not true.
I don't know. My my guess is it's not true.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
But I'm also saying why then outside of the game
he didn't play at all? Has he been a mainstay
in the starting liner? Lebron, Steph and Embiid have been
the three main It should be Anthony Davis period.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
I'm completely with Kyrie on this.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
They need to go back to the days where you
had to compete to make the team. I don't like
all of his favoritism and hand picking this guy in
the third no offense of Derrick White, Come on, man,
you know what just slapping the face that is to
a whole.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Bunch of highlight and I look it, I get the time.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
And still though we're talking about a gold medal, this
only comes around once.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Forty They had Christian Latner on the Dream Team.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
But I mean bast law program in the world. I
mean coming off with he wasn't better than Shaq. He wasn't,
but wasn't shocking college.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And he and he not only was he, Yeah, they
see between him and shock Not only was he not
better than Shaq, he it wasn't better than a ton.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Of NBA players that they could have put on that tea.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yeah, but at the time they had to have a
college guy and we hain't given shot that business. Now,
you don't normal big duke men's basketball. You need to
look by the way we might go undefeated and win
it all this year.
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Speaker 4 (14:20):
A money.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Great to have you on, man, great great to be on.
Thanks for having me, guys, Sean, I know to give him.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's why he's about to try to kiss you. Kiss
to you because he owe you money.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I like to give flowers while guys are still living.
And when I talk to young players, I tell him
everybody can't be a gold jacket Hall of Famer. But
second to that, being able to play thirteen years for
the same team. Just think about that for a second, Chris.
Not a lot of guys can say that. Did you
played over a decade in the league and you did
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it with the same team man.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
Salute to mister.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Tuma, thank you, thank you too. And I got records.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
I was sure up that wasn't sure? That's dope.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, definitely great career.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
What like about five about six straight one thousand yard
seasons or something.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
He got a little stretch right in up the middle.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Yeah. Yeah. And then we then we drafted Eli and
then you know, got quarterback. I love Eli, but you
know he got to develop a young quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
I sound like Keith Shawn and Tempa. I hate you guys.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Get us the ball man, just get us the ball.
Be all right, be all good.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Well, speaking of young players of money and and Sean
had the same take as you. But when Kevin Bayer,
you know, he came out and he praised he talked
about Caleb Williams and his great leadership in Chicago. Uh,
and he uses it an example that you know, he
said to all the veterans, Hey, we need to start
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clean up the locker room.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Keep it clean for all the people working, and blah
blah blah.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And my obviously I did not play in the NFL,
but my initial thought, you know, just knowing the league,
was that, wow, that's interesting because usually the rookies, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Are getting hazed and they have to clean up and
do things like that.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
And I heard a lot of praise for Caleb in
that regard. I was kind of glad to hear you
because it was what I initially thought would more be
the case, and then Sean backed you up. But just
tell us your thoughts and impressions that you shared on
the card and show and just how you feel about,
uh that situation.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Yeah, I've been an abad great. I don't really do
my social media, but my social media has been blowing
up and it's great.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
I've been.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
I was on a flight yesterday to Colorado, so I
had a lot of time. But people were talking misconstrued.
It has nothing to do with cleaning up and helping
the workers in the room. That's the custodians and whatnot.
Nothing to do with that. He has everything to do
with You have two things going against you as a
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rookie and the first pickoverall. First, you're the first pickoverall. Second,
you're a quarterback. Everybody hates the quarterback. They might not
tell you it, but everybody hates the quarterback. They get
all the praise every time something happens the quarterback did it.
Every time something goes wrong, you know, the quarterback gets
the blame, but usually they deserve it. But anyway, is
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that and he's a good player. And if you're a
good player, the second thing is a good player. What
the good players have to do is they have to
make sure that everybody who have to talk to everybody.
They can't demean anybody, they can't belittle anybody. They got
to be one of the guys. And so when if
a rookie came in too, and I'm in my eighth year,
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seventh yeer, or sixth year, and I've been struggling on
this team, trying to make it all and make it
and this guy comes in with all this stands there.
He's gonna change everything. He's gonna be the best thing
since slight spread. And then he comes in. The first
thing he does is doesn't show up on the field
and start bawling like that. I haven't heard reports about that.
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I've heard reports that he's been struggling, but that's not
my point. I don't care that he's struggling. I just
feel that if you're a guy that's gonna ingratiate yourself
with the rest of the team. You can't just come
in and just start telling people what to do and
cleaning up the locker room stuff that's insignificant. My brother
played for the Cincinnati Bengals for when they drafted to
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Johnny Carter, and everybody hated that guy too, because he
came in and the first thing he said was when
are we going to get the new offensive lineman? These
guys aren't any good and that's what that's and those
type of things don't go away, and I just feel
like I'm trying to help him. See the thing about
it is when you talk to an athlete and I'm
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talking to him straight and I'm telling him straight on
how to be, you think I'm criticizing. But with you're
an athlete, I can learn from the truth. The truth
you can learn from that. Now, if you're sitting back
and you want to tell him how good he is
and all that stuff, that's not going to get him
any better. But if you tell somebody the truth, then
they can learn from that and change their ways. Because
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I just feel like he's going down a bad pass.
I don't know much about what's going on, but when
I hear stories like that and all the rookies that
I've heard about, you know, the the Ryan Leafs and
all these guys that are good players, but just because
you know, they don't get it off the field, they
don't get the players behind them. They end up their
career ends up not being determined by how good of
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a player they are. Their career is determined by the
fact that they can't get along with people. I don't
want that to happen to Caleb Williams, so.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
I agree with him money. I think the truth doesn't
have emotions, it's just the truth. I don't think what
Caleb did was malicious. I think it was miss You know,
I was always raised Chris and Imie.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
Don't talk about it, be about it.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
And for rookie coming into an organization, to me, if
you thought the locker room was messy the thing to
do with you should be the leader of the rookie class.
You should get the rookie class together and say, listen, man,
we don't want to leave this for all the people
that got to come and clean up later. Let's get
one of them big orange buckets, our garbage kansas go
around and pick everything up.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
And you could do it.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
So the vets see you doing it, like almost embarrass
them into doing it by you doing it yourself, but
just to get in the huddle and like, Okay, now
you're the big bad wolf in the building. All of
a sudden, Yo, Brussar, go clean your lock up. I
don't know how I was gonna be received.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, it just doesn't work out that way. And I
just feel like it shows a lack of awareness, a
lack of respect for the veterans that have been I
mean in Chicago, they've been taking bullets in terms of
you know, they have not been It's in a rough
road for all those people in that locker room. I
don't care. When you start losing as many games as
they have, it's not easy. And all of a sudden
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some guy comes in he's gonna and he just think
he's gonna, you know, be the new sheriff in town.
It just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So now Kevin Bayern is, I mean, he's a all pro,
not just a Pro Bowl little bit of all pro safety.
Do you think you guys think he's just kind of
with saying the right thing and that it did rub
vet's the wrong way or are vets different? Now are locker
rooms not what they used to be when you guys played.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
They must be because I know that when if somebody
would think about it, you don't want to be the
guy that's trying to bring down the franchise quarterback. You
want to be kind of like, you want to be very,
very careful because there's much of a safety than to
get rid of the quarterback that they picked the first
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pick over on the draft. So that you've got to
understand your place, no matter if you're a Hall of Famer,
this guy is going to be the future, no matter
if Hall of Fame, if you're a pro bowler's future,
you know, and he's gonna help you win more games.
So I'd never believe anything that comes out of UH
comes out of these training camps because I played with
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Dave Brown, and I remember when Jim Fossil came and
he talked about how he changed his drop and changed
all this, and it comes out when the first game came,
and it comes around and he's still the same day
Brown and then Danny Canal starting the next week. That's
just kind of how it works. Wow.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
I mean, if we're being honest, Chris it May and
who knows Caleb May turn into a box office mega superstar.
And if you're if you're on that team and you
were overly critical of him publicly before you figured out
that he is the next Mahomes. I'm not saying he is,
but if it turns out to be, that's a bad
spot to being in that organization because it could come
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a day where, like, I mean, think about how many
careers Aaron Rodgers extended.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
In Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, he went to the jail extending.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
He went and made them payless on and he brought uh,
what's the rec from Kentucky that was there with him?
Randall call, I mean they got those jobs in contract
because Washington I want my boys. I think they bring
me sadies. Lewis, so, Hey, you want to stay in
the good graces of the quarterback?
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Absolutely absolutely, Minnie.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Let me ask you this because there was a big
little bit of a stink about rock Party earlier in
the week. He had three interceptions one day and then
four interceptions the next day. How big of a deal
is that party just saying, hey, you're experimenting. I'm trying
to make plays, you know, in practice to see that
I wouldn't necessarily try in the games, but just to
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see what was working. What do you think it's something
to be concerned about? And how do things like that
go in training camp? Are the quarterbacks doing things that
are uncharacteristic just to see what they might be able
to get away with.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
I'd have to take him at his word. He's been
nothing but great since he's since he's played. But I
don't care what you say. You throw four interceptions in
a practice and you just say you're just experimenting, That's
just not how it works. You know what I mean?
You to perform and practice. You've got to perform one
hundred percent of the time. And I always tell people
what it's like to play in the NFL, Like you
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go into your office and you're in your cubicle and
you're doing your work, and then you look over at
the water cooler and you see four people over there stretching,
trying to get their their type typewriters, their his finger type,
their fingers, ready to take your job once you screw up.
So I just feel like there's no room for experiment.
If he feels that comfortable that he can experiment, that's
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another thing. You need to bring him some more competition.
Everybody needs to be on point all the time. And
that's why the NFL is so hard. And that's why
the NFL is so it's such a competitive league because nobody.
I tell everybody, everybody four games you are the last
four games that you are so toward the end of
the season. If you had a great end of the
season and the poor beginning of the season, they're gonna
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take those last four games. So I just feel like,
I don't know, I never really take much out of
training camp, but if you're throwing four interceptions, especially quarterbacks,
because they get all the you know, they get the
plays beforehand, they know the defenses before come. Lie for
quarterback to look good.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
All that is our man, Amoni, super amNY, great stuff.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Brother, We thank you, Thank you all right, brother.
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Speaker 4 (25:49):
I'm baffled, Sean. We know that.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Every year the NFL, I guess, the NFL network releases
its list of the top one hundred players for the year,
like I guess going into this season twenty twenty four,
and the players vote in December. Now that gives me
a little more, a little more tolerance for what the
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polling gave. But the top ten just came out tonight.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
It was just revealed. As far as the order.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Tonight, they've been revealing, you know, in tens pretty much,
you know all week the players, and.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
We've gotten to the top.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
So rob g give us the top ten players as
voted on by the NFL players themselves going into this season,
and give us from ten to nine to eight and
so on.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
All right, We'll starting order number ten, Max Crosby number nine,
Travis Kelcey, number eight, JJ Watt number seven, Trent Williams
number six, Chris Jones number five, Miles Garrett number four,
Patrick Mahomes, number three, Christian McCaffrey, number two, Lamar Jackson,
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and number one Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
All right, I just want to say this, Sean, the
best player in the world is Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And it's not even up for debate. Now.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Like I said earlier, I understand a little bit more
because if they's voting was done in December, which I
don't agree with, vote after the season. You're not releasing
it until August, So why not vote in this after
the season, because I think if it was voted on
after the season, Patrick, I assume Patrick.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Mahomes would have been number one.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
But when if it's voted in December, Lamar Jackson appeared
to be on his way to a second straight MVP,
which indeed he did win, and Patrick Mahomes did not
have even close to his best season. In fact, he
had his worst season last year. And in December, if
you remember Sean, the Kansas City Chiefs were struggling. They
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were in the midst of a bad you know stretch
where they lost four of six games. They lost to Buffalo,
Green Bay, the Raiders even and the Eagles and the
Denver beating them in October. So at that point, the
Chiefs didn't look like they were gonna win their second,
you know, straight Super Bowl. So I guess that makes
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it a little more palatable to me. But still, I mean, Patrick,
even before even in December, he still had two super
Bowls and two MVPs.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
So I think that's a travesty.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
With all due respect to Lamar, who is a great quarterback,
I don't mind him being number two, but Patrick Mahomes
should be the best player in the world.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
How is Tyreek number one. I mean he left Kansas
City and Patrick took the Chiefs and won another Super Bowl, right.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
No, no, no, two more two more number one.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
What I will say is this, and maybe this is
a bit this might be refreshing to some people. They
clearly did not just over rate I don't want to
say over rate, but they didn't give extra points. How
about that to the quarterbacks, which I think is a
bit refreshing because I don't think the quarterbacks are Like
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I don't think Tom Brady's the best football player ever.
I think he's the best quarterback, but I don't think
he's the best football player. And so I think it's
a tad bit refreshing to me to see that the
players just looked at it as who we think are
actually the best football players. But even with that criteria,
I still think it should be Mahomes. But look, Tyreek,
I mean, look, he was killing people last year.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
He really showed us.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I think it was last year that we we saw
his greatness, especially early on what he was doing. Remember
he was looking like an early MVP, you know, maybe
midway through the season.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah, Toarik's a great player. I just I mean, you
think it can't be a receiver or just what Mahomes
has done in Kansas City post Tyreek. I mean, just
in this particular context, you can't put Tyrek ahead of Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
McCaffrey's way too high.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I thought we talked about it on First Things First today,
like what player do you think got snubbed the most
from the top ten. Joe Burrow was a great answer.
He was thirty ninth, which is ridiculous, but I guess
that's his injuries. I don't see how Josh Allen is
not in the top ten as a football player, and
I think they're both should be ahead of McCaffrey.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
I mean, if you play dB, I guess they just
don't care about you at all.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
There wasn't one.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
dB in the top ten, right right right? A lot
of defensive ends was a JJ. Why Miles Garrett? How
about this? Michael Parsons wasn't top ten?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Was he?
Speaker 7 (31:04):
I don't remember you saying his name.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
No, I don't, but I think he might have been
like fourteen or something, but I don't think he was
in the top ten.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
That's an interesting list. I disagree.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
I even think Trent Williams shouldn't be in front of
guys like JJ Watt, Miles Garrett.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
Their impact on the game.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
I know Trent's really good well left tackle, I mean yeah,
but their impact, their impact on the game is immense,
and Tren's a really good player.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
What do you think about Lamar being ahead of Mahome?
Speaker 6 (31:34):
That's laughable and I'm a big Lamar Jackson family. That's laughable.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
I think if Lamar was being truly honest, he'd said
that my home should be in front of it.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Truth.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I don't think that there is an anti ma Home
sentiment among players.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
I've never seen or gotten that vibe.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
Do you I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
But I don't think he's ingratiating himself as much as
Lamar because he's kind of just a different cat. He
kind of just does him you know what I mean?
You mean Mahomes Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, I do think that people kind of I do
think I'm I would think most players really like Lamar
a little more.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Not not that they don't like Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
But you know, just because I mean he's you know,
you hear the culture, and you know, he just represents that.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
When you're traveling in the off season and you get
to South Florida you call it Lamar, like, what's popping?
Speaker 7 (32:38):
What's going on?
Speaker 6 (32:39):
I'm in the city when you go to I think
Mahomes is in Texas somewhere is whereas off season home
is when you go there, you're not hitting.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Up Mahomes like.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
What's And that's cool because the players are voting.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
Right, Because the players are voting, that will factor into
some of this because they're not watching film of some
of these guys. Like during the season, you play, but
seventeen games. Now there's thirty two teams in the league,
so you're not playing every team every year. So unless
there's some kind of crossover where because it's a division game,
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you get to see Pittsburgh's defense twice because they played
Baltimore where you're playing this week, Like a lot of
those teams, you don't really see them play.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
You hear about that, you see.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
But if I think back, like if we go back
to December and I'm a player and I just you know,
I don't dislike Mahomes, but you know, I rock with Lamar,
you know, maybe hung out with him like you're saying,
and I'm not. We don't play Kansas City, So I'm
not seeing their games. All I know is that they're
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in the losing streak.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
And Mahomes is it, you know.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
He's having a subpart.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Right for here, right right then?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Maybe, and Lamar is about to win the second MVP,
like I said, and that makes it a little more understandable.
But I mean, Patrick Mahomes is just And again maybe
if it was voted on after the super Bowl it
would have been different.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I gotta imagine it would, and I
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Do think Lamar would say that as well.
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Team USA, which is two and zero, rolled over Serbia
by twenty six beat South Sudan I think it was
by seventeen. And how much you win by matters in
terms of seedings. So Steve Kirk came out and said
they want to beat Puerto Rico, who they play tomorrow,
by as many points as possible because they want to
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get the number one seed. That means you get a
lighter you know, schedule at least to start out with.
So that is the deal with Team USA. And also
Joel Embiid will be starting.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
It was announced that he didn't play.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
He started every exhibition and an Olympic game that he's played,
but he didn't play at all in the last game
against South Sudan.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Kert said it was a matchup issue.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
They were smaller, quicker, faster, three point shooting team.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
And that was true.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And so he didn't play em bead at all. But
MB will be back in the starting lineup. And you
just said it, boo, go ahead and Nicks bound.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
He's a square peg trying to be put in a
round hole. As I said yesterday when I think as
Antonio Daniels was on the show, Zion Williamson should have
been on the team in place of Joel Embiid and B.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
You just put a lot of people in stead, you know,
whether Zion or a lot of other people are.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
Too with the game more exciting, you know, try and
get people to tune in more.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
They're gonna win regardless.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I just want the women's team.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Told you they're not about, you know, drawing fans. They're
about winning. That's why they didn't have Kaylen Clark.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
I'm just saying, if they want those elevated checks, let
the men counterparts have start being about drawing fans.
Speaker 7 (02:09):
But I just and B doesn't fit in any way.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
It's almost like the Olympic team felt obligated to bring
Joel because he was m VP.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Or because he chose them.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Remember, he could have played for France, could have played
for Cameron. He chose to play for Team USA, and
a lot.
Speaker 7 (02:28):
Of people choose America for citizenship.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Right, But I mean he had the choice of which
team to play for.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I look, I think they thought he would be their size.
You know, last year in the Feeble World Cup, we
ran into trouble against some of these teams that were
bigger than us, and we're bullying us. I mean, we
got our rebounded dramatically and we needed some bulk. But
as I've said, and I hate, I hate to even
(02:56):
keep saying it, because I've been saying this almost in
Beads entire career, at least as long as he's really
since he became a star, which was pretty much right away.
I've been saying, dude, you play, you might as well
be six ' four.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
He plays on the perimeter, yes.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
And again he is a phenomenal mid range jump shooter.
So I don't want to I'm not saying I want
you to go down and post up on the block
like Shack and be there ninety five percent of the
game or or one hundred percent of the game.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
I'm just saying I want you to post up one
percent of the game and remind me of Shack.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I Yeah, I mean I do.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I want you to still shoot the mid range jumper
because you're so good at it, but when the situation
calls for it, you need to go down low. And
whether it's posting up, whether it's backing somebody down, whether
it's cutting, flashing across the lane to the to the
low post, whatever it may be. And the fact that
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he won't do it, Sean is a problem on this team.
That's why you're.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Talking about, you know, him being a square peg.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, because the one thing he could give us that
most of our other players couldn't is dominus down low.
We don't need him on the perimeter every single time
he's on the floor. He's got four excellent perimeter jump
shooters or four good shooters with him.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Let them have the perimeter.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
So now you, with your seven foot three hundred pounds behind,
want to be out there with them, you getting in
their way.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Would it be fair if I said he's probably the
most frustrating player in the entire NBA. You can't say
he's not productive because he produces. He can't say he's
not skilled because he's skilled, but he's frustrating to watch
because even when he has a great game, you know
it could be greater. Like when he goes to those
stretches where he's kind of lily gagging up the court
(04:55):
that'll never make it pass a three point.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Game looks incredibly lazy. Yeah, I'm not gonna call him
him lazy, but man, his I will agree. I tend
to agree with you on that watching him play, I say,
and most people I've said it to you have agreed with it.
He just got a lazy game. Yeah, Like he looks
like he is just not giving it his all.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And he might be. I'm not saying he's not, but
he looks that way and.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It does frustrate you because it looks like he's just
not playing hard, not going one hundred percent. And especially
I think it's compounded by the fact that he really
won't go down low and bang. And he's the biggest
thing in the world essentially as far as not just
height but body size, and.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
He won't go down there and use it.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
And what's why I put frustrating as a label for him,
because the thirty percent of the time that he is
on the low block, he's shooting a fadeaway jumper. Yeah,
and this was to me a huge misstep by the
US Olympic Team Men's basketball Committee. I could understand a
couple of years ago when the Gasol brothers were with
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Spain and they had Mark and Poull and you knew
you had that probably is your gold medal game and
you would need embid. But I mean outside of Serbia,
who by the way, em beat him for at all
costs in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You do need size.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
He playing to his size, yeah, but you need athleticism
with size and Olympics.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
To me, I mean everybody.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Everybody's not that athletic.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Jokic isn't incredibly athletic by what we term athletic athleticism.
He just plays hard, you know, and it doesn't look
like he's lovely. Let me put it that way.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
I just embeid.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I've said that MBAD should look at Jokic because, yes,
Jokish plays a lot.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
On the perimeter.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
He's a pastor, he's their point basically their point guard
in Denver. But he also when this again I use
the term, when the situation calls for it, he'll back
you down and score and there's no reason NB couldn't
do the same thing and.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
It should be shocked.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
It Yeah, he could, I mean he could be shocked.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I don't want to say better than Shaq, but he
he would have that mid range game that Shaq didn't
have or at least didn't you know, use, and that
could be even different.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
So it's just this might be an oversimplification, Chris, but
for a guy in Bead's size, he's probably dunked on
the least amount of people that I can recall. Like, normally,
a big guy like that is putting guys in the
rim at least once a night, even if he's not
an achem Elazwan with his back to the basket, like
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at least he's going to the hoop strong and finishing.
I can't recall anybody in beads duct on right right
off the top of my head.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Nah.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I mean, I don't know the numbers, but you might
be right.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I mean here, yeah, you don't. His highlight is a
fifteen foot right. I mean, I don't think of him
dunk When I think of him bid, you know, in
a positive way. I think of him hitting their mid
range jump shot. You know, I don't think of him
dunking on somebody.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
And this team is talented, but don't you think people
will be even more intrigued to watch them play if
Zion was on the team and play something.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I mean, Zion, look, you you ain't nobody people off Zion.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I don't know why I'm not.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
He's always fine.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Okay, he's always hurt. I'm not totally.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Off him, and I don't think anybody's completely off him.
But this whole like the fact he's not the draw
he used to be. He is now at a stage
where he's gonna have to show us. He's gonna have
to earn it back because people are just like, dude,
he's hurt.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
A great stage to earn it back.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Does it rebound? I don't know that he I don't
know what he does on the stand. I mean, we
win it with or without him, but which is more exciting.
I just don't think he's you know, I don't think
he's like the draw that he used to be. Sure
he might get some nice dunks, but but you know.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
He's a guy.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
He's another guy that has the ball in his hands
a lot, and I think that's gonna change with the
makeup of their team now. Or at least to some degree,
doesn't shoot the three, but doesn't always like post up
a lot either. To me, he could be out there
getting he could be out there getting in your way too.
But this is another thing I want to throw at
(09:33):
you and tell me what you think. I also feel
like mbead looks like a guy that doesn't know what
to do when the ball's not in his hands, or
I should say, when when he is not the focal
point of the offense. I brought that up to Antonio Daniel.
I was going to bring that up, but I think
it's a little different, like.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Devin Booker isn't necessarily the focal point in Phoenix. I mean,
you got Kevin durant to.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I think it's to an elevated level within bid that
unless he's the focal point, he.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Really doesn't know what to do. And think about it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
He started playing basketball late, played the year at Kansas,
and every time he's been essentially on the team, certainly
at the pro level, he's been the focal point.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Yeah, I thought made a great point. I thought Antonio
made a great point. Chris, he said being in the
Olympics is an opportunity, and he would say I think
it was Gilbert Arenas. He said he was having a
conversation with about how much harder it is to be
a role player than to be the number one option.
And I think that's what you're seeing with m bib.
Speaker 7 (10:39):
He's used to.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
They don't come down to court three times in a
row and not call a play for a design for him.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Be three times in a row.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
I don't care how hot Max he is.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
And so what you're what you're seeing is because the
players aren't called for him, he's kind of lost, like
what do I do. He's not a guy that impacts
the game regardless if he's scoring or if he's taking shots.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Nah, because he I mean, he does get you ten
or eleven rebounds just by virtue of his size. But yeah,
he's not like a dominant rebounder. He is a good defender,
but he's not like a terrifying defender. And obviously you
know he's a fine passer, but he's not like great
at that. Yeah, I mean, and again, a guy that's
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that tall, like even win bin Yama, and obviously he's
taller than Himbaid. Yes, he plays on the perimeter, but
he also plays to his size. He's blocking a lot
of shots, you know what I mean, He's at an.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Effort level and trying to contest shots as much better
than m bead and not really even under their contestant shots.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
To be honest, look, Anthony Davis should be starting, and
their speculator felt like they promised him be a starting
role if he chose to play for America.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
There. You know, the reports have said that's not true.
I don't know. My my guess is it's not true.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
But I'm also saying why then outside of the game
he didn't play at all? Has he been a mainstay
in the starting liner? Lebron, Steph and Embiid have been
the three main It should be Anthony Davis period.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
I'm completely with Kyrie on this.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
They need to go back to the days where you
had to compete to make the team. I don't like
all of his favoritism and hand picking this guy in
the third no offense of Derrick White, Come on, man,
you know what just slapping the face that is to
a whole.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Bunch of highlight and I look it, I get the time.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
And still though we're talking about a gold medal, this
only comes around once.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Forty They had Christian Latner on the Dream Team.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
But I mean bast law program in the world. I
mean coming off with he wasn't better than Shaq. He wasn't,
but wasn't shocking college.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And he and he not only was he, Yeah, they
see between him and shock Not only was he not
better than Shaq, he it wasn't better than a ton.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Of NBA players that they could have put on that tea.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yeah, but at the time they had to have a
college guy and we hain't given shot that business. Now,
you don't normal big duke men's basketball. You need to
look by the way we might go undefeated and win
it all this year.
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Haven't said that?
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Great to have you on, man, great great to be on.
Thanks for having me, guys, Sean, I know to give him.
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to you because he owe you money.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I like to give flowers while guys are still living.
And when I talk to young players, I tell him
everybody can't be a gold jacket Hall of Famer. But
second to that, being able to play thirteen years for
the same team. Just think about that for a second, Chris.
Not a lot of guys can say that. Did you
played over a decade in the league and you did
(14:59):
it with the same team man.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
Salute to mister.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Tuma, thank you, thank you too. And I got records.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
I was sure up that wasn't sure? That's dope.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, definitely great career.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
What like about five about six straight one thousand yard
seasons or something.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
He got a little stretch right in up the middle.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Yeah. Yeah. And then we then we drafted Eli and
then you know, got quarterback. I love Eli, but you
know he got to develop a young quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
I sound like Keith Shawn and Tempa. I hate you guys.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Get us the ball man, just get us the ball.
Be all right, be all good.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Well, speaking of young players of money and and Sean
had the same take as you. But when Kevin Bayer,
you know, he came out and he praised he talked
about Caleb Williams and his great leadership in Chicago. Uh,
and he uses it an example that you know, he
said to all the veterans, Hey, we need to start
(16:03):
clean up the locker room.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Keep it clean for all the people working, and blah
blah blah.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And my obviously I did not play in the NFL,
but my initial thought, you know, just knowing the league,
was that, wow, that's interesting because usually the rookies, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Are getting hazed and they have to clean up and
do things like that.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
And I heard a lot of praise for Caleb in
that regard. I was kind of glad to hear you
because it was what I initially thought would more be
the case, and then Sean backed you up. But just
tell us your thoughts and impressions that you shared on
the card and show and just how you feel about,
uh that situation.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Yeah, I've been an abad great. I don't really do
my social media, but my social media has been blowing
up and it's great.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
I've been.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
I was on a flight yesterday to Colorado, so I
had a lot of time. But people were talking misconstrued.
It has nothing to do with cleaning up and helping
the workers in the room. That's the custodians and whatnot.
Nothing to do with that. He has everything to do
with You have two things going against you as a
(17:10):
rookie and the first pickoverall. First, you're the first pickoverall. Second,
you're a quarterback. Everybody hates the quarterback. They might not
tell you it, but everybody hates the quarterback. They get
all the praise every time something happens the quarterback did it.
Every time something goes wrong, you know, the quarterback gets
the blame, but usually they deserve it. But anyway, is
(17:33):
that and he's a good player. And if you're a
good player, the second thing is a good player. What
the good players have to do is they have to
make sure that everybody who have to talk to everybody.
They can't demean anybody, they can't belittle anybody. They got
to be one of the guys. And so when if
a rookie came in too, and I'm in my eighth year,
(17:57):
seventh yeer, or sixth year, and I've been struggling on
this team, trying to make it all and make it
and this guy comes in with all this stands there.
He's gonna change everything. He's gonna be the best thing
since slight spread. And then he comes in. The first
thing he does is doesn't show up on the field
and start bawling like that. I haven't heard reports about that.
(18:18):
I've heard reports that he's been struggling, but that's not
my point. I don't care that he's struggling. I just
feel that if you're a guy that's gonna ingratiate yourself
with the rest of the team. You can't just come
in and just start telling people what to do and
cleaning up the locker room stuff that's insignificant. My brother
played for the Cincinnati Bengals for when they drafted to
(18:41):
Johnny Carter, and everybody hated that guy too, because he
came in and the first thing he said was when
are we going to get the new offensive lineman? These
guys aren't any good and that's what that's and those
type of things don't go away, and I just feel
like I'm trying to help him. See the thing about
it is when you talk to an athlete and I'm
(19:01):
talking to him straight and I'm telling him straight on
how to be, you think I'm criticizing. But with you're
an athlete, I can learn from the truth. The truth
you can learn from that. Now, if you're sitting back
and you want to tell him how good he is
and all that stuff, that's not going to get him
any better. But if you tell somebody the truth, then
they can learn from that and change their ways. Because
(19:22):
I just feel like he's going down a bad pass.
I don't know much about what's going on, but when
I hear stories like that and all the rookies that
I've heard about, you know, the the Ryan Leafs and
all these guys that are good players, but just because
you know, they don't get it off the field, they
don't get the players behind them. They end up their
career ends up not being determined by how good of
(19:44):
a player they are. Their career is determined by the
fact that they can't get along with people. I don't
want that to happen to Caleb Williams, so.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
I agree with him money. I think the truth doesn't
have emotions, it's just the truth. I don't think what
Caleb did was malicious. I think it was miss You know,
I was always raised Chris and Imie.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
Don't talk about it, be about it.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
And for rookie coming into an organization, to me, if
you thought the locker room was messy the thing to
do with you should be the leader of the rookie class.
You should get the rookie class together and say, listen, man,
we don't want to leave this for all the people
that got to come and clean up later. Let's get
one of them big orange buckets, our garbage kansas go
around and pick everything up.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
And you could do it.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
So the vets see you doing it, like almost embarrass
them into doing it by you doing it yourself, but
just to get in the huddle and like, Okay, now
you're the big bad wolf in the building. All of
a sudden, Yo, Brussar, go clean your lock up. I
don't know how I was gonna be received.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, it just doesn't work out that way. And I
just feel like it shows a lack of awareness, a
lack of respect for the veterans that have been I
mean in Chicago, they've been taking bullets in terms of
you know, they have not been It's in a rough
road for all those people in that locker room. I
don't care. When you start losing as many games as
they have, it's not easy. And all of a sudden
(21:07):
some guy comes in he's gonna and he just think
he's gonna, you know, be the new sheriff in town.
It just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So now Kevin Bayern is, I mean, he's a all pro,
not just a Pro Bowl little bit of all pro safety.
Do you think you guys think he's just kind of
with saying the right thing and that it did rub
vet's the wrong way or are vets different? Now are locker
rooms not what they used to be when you guys played.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
They must be because I know that when if somebody
would think about it, you don't want to be the
guy that's trying to bring down the franchise quarterback. You
want to be kind of like, you want to be very,
very careful because there's much of a safety than to
get rid of the quarterback that they picked the first
(21:52):
pick over on the draft. So that you've got to
understand your place, no matter if you're a Hall of Famer,
this guy is going to be the future, no matter
if Hall of Fame, if you're a pro bowler's future,
you know, and he's gonna help you win more games.
So I'd never believe anything that comes out of UH
comes out of these training camps because I played with
(22:14):
Dave Brown, and I remember when Jim Fossil came and
he talked about how he changed his drop and changed
all this, and it comes out when the first game came,
and it comes around and he's still the same day
Brown and then Danny Canal starting the next week. That's
just kind of how it works. Wow.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
I mean, if we're being honest, Chris it May and
who knows Caleb May turn into a box office mega superstar.
And if you're if you're on that team and you
were overly critical of him publicly before you figured out
that he is the next Mahomes. I'm not saying he is,
but if it turns out to be, that's a bad
spot to being in that organization because it could come
(22:54):
a day where, like, I mean, think about how many
careers Aaron Rodgers extended.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
In Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, he went to the jail extending.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
He went and made them payless on and he brought uh,
what's the rec from Kentucky that was there with him?
Randall call, I mean they got those jobs in contract
because Washington I want my boys. I think they bring
me sadies. Lewis, so, Hey, you want to stay in
the good graces of the quarterback?
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Absolutely absolutely, Minnie.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Let me ask you this because there was a big
little bit of a stink about rock Party earlier in
the week. He had three interceptions one day and then
four interceptions the next day. How big of a deal
is that party just saying, hey, you're experimenting. I'm trying
to make plays, you know, in practice to see that
I wouldn't necessarily try in the games, but just to
(23:47):
see what was working. What do you think it's something
to be concerned about? And how do things like that
go in training camp? Are the quarterbacks doing things that
are uncharacteristic just to see what they might be able
to get away with.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
I'd have to take him at his word. He's been
nothing but great since he's since he's played. But I
don't care what you say. You throw four interceptions in
a practice and you just say you're just experimenting, That's
just not how it works. You know what I mean?
You to perform and practice. You've got to perform one
hundred percent of the time. And I always tell people
what it's like to play in the NFL, Like you
(24:24):
go into your office and you're in your cubicle and
you're doing your work, and then you look over at
the water cooler and you see four people over there stretching,
trying to get their their type typewriters, their his finger type,
their fingers, ready to take your job once you screw up.
So I just feel like there's no room for experiment.
If he feels that comfortable that he can experiment, that's
(24:45):
another thing. You need to bring him some more competition.
Everybody needs to be on point all the time. And
that's why the NFL is so hard. And that's why
the NFL is so it's such a competitive league because nobody.
I tell everybody, everybody four games you are the last
four games that you are so toward the end of
the season. If you had a great end of the
season and the poor beginning of the season, they're gonna
(25:07):
take those last four games. So I just feel like,
I don't know, I never really take much out of
training camp, but if you're throwing four interceptions, especially quarterbacks,
because they get all the you know, they get the
plays beforehand, they know the defenses before come. Lie for
quarterback to look good.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
All that is our man, Amoni, super amNY, great stuff.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Brother, We thank you, Thank you all right, brother.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
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Speaker 4 (25:49):
I'm baffled, Sean. We know that.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Every year the NFL, I guess, the NFL network releases
its list of the top one hundred players for the year,
like I guess going into this season twenty twenty four,
and the players vote in December. Now that gives me
a little more, a little more tolerance for what the
(26:18):
polling gave. But the top ten just came out tonight.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
It was just revealed. As far as the order.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Tonight, they've been revealing, you know, in tens pretty much,
you know all week the players, and.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
We've gotten to the top.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
So rob g give us the top ten players as
voted on by the NFL players themselves going into this season,
and give us from ten to nine to eight and
so on.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
All right, We'll starting order number ten, Max Crosby number nine,
Travis Kelcey, number eight, JJ Watt number seven, Trent Williams
number six, Chris Jones number five, Miles Garrett number four,
Patrick Mahomes, number three, Christian McCaffrey, number two, Lamar Jackson,
(27:04):
and number one Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
All right, I just want to say this, Sean, the
best player in the world is Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And it's not even up for debate. Now.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Like I said earlier, I understand a little bit more
because if they's voting was done in December, which I
don't agree with, vote after the season. You're not releasing
it until August, So why not vote in this after
the season, because I think if it was voted on
after the season, Patrick, I assume Patrick.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Mahomes would have been number one.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
But when if it's voted in December, Lamar Jackson appeared
to be on his way to a second straight MVP,
which indeed he did win, and Patrick Mahomes did not
have even close to his best season. In fact, he
had his worst season last year. And in December, if
you remember Sean, the Kansas City Chiefs were struggling. They
(28:05):
were in the midst of a bad you know stretch
where they lost four of six games. They lost to Buffalo,
Green Bay, the Raiders even and the Eagles and the
Denver beating them in October. So at that point, the
Chiefs didn't look like they were gonna win their second,
you know, straight Super Bowl. So I guess that makes
(28:26):
it a little more palatable to me. But still, I mean, Patrick,
even before even in December, he still had two super
Bowls and two MVPs.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
So I think that's a travesty.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
With all due respect to Lamar, who is a great quarterback,
I don't mind him being number two, but Patrick Mahomes
should be the best player in the world.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
How is Tyreek number one. I mean he left Kansas
City and Patrick took the Chiefs and won another Super Bowl, right.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
No, no, no, two more two more number one.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
What I will say is this, and maybe this is
a bit this might be refreshing to some people. They
clearly did not just over rate I don't want to
say over rate, but they didn't give extra points. How
about that to the quarterbacks, which I think is a
bit refreshing because I don't think the quarterbacks are Like
(29:31):
I don't think Tom Brady's the best football player ever.
I think he's the best quarterback, but I don't think
he's the best football player. And so I think it's
a tad bit refreshing to me to see that the
players just looked at it as who we think are
actually the best football players. But even with that criteria,
I still think it should be Mahomes. But look, Tyreek,
I mean, look, he was killing people last year.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
He really showed us.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I think it was last year that we we saw
his greatness, especially early on what he was doing. Remember
he was looking like an early MVP, you know, maybe
midway through the season.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah, Toarik's a great player. I just I mean, you
think it can't be a receiver or just what Mahomes
has done in Kansas City post Tyreek. I mean, just
in this particular context, you can't put Tyrek ahead of Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
McCaffrey's way too high.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I thought we talked about it on First Things First today,
like what player do you think got snubbed the most
from the top ten. Joe Burrow was a great answer.
He was thirty ninth, which is ridiculous, but I guess
that's his injuries. I don't see how Josh Allen is
not in the top ten as a football player, and
I think they're both should be ahead of McCaffrey.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
I mean, if you play dB, I guess they just
don't care about you at all.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
There wasn't one.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
dB in the top ten, right right right? A lot
of defensive ends was a JJ. Why Miles Garrett? How
about this? Michael Parsons wasn't top ten?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Was he?
Speaker 7 (31:04):
I don't remember you saying his name.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
No, I don't, but I think he might have been
like fourteen or something, but I don't think he was
in the top ten.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
That's an interesting list. I disagree.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
I even think Trent Williams shouldn't be in front of
guys like JJ Watt, Miles Garrett.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
Their impact on the game.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
I know Trent's really good well left tackle, I mean yeah,
but their impact, their impact on the game is immense,
and Tren's a really good player.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
What do you think about Lamar being ahead of Mahome?
Speaker 6 (31:34):
That's laughable and I'm a big Lamar Jackson family. That's laughable.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
I think if Lamar was being truly honest, he'd said
that my home should be in front of it.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Truth.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I don't think that there is an anti ma Home
sentiment among players.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
I've never seen or gotten that vibe.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
Do you I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
But I don't think he's ingratiating himself as much as
Lamar because he's kind of just a different cat. He
kind of just does him you know what I mean?
You mean Mahomes Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, I do think that people kind of I do
think I'm I would think most players really like Lamar
a little more.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Not not that they don't like Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
But you know, just because I mean he's you know,
you hear the culture, and you know, he just represents that.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
When you're traveling in the off season and you get
to South Florida you call it Lamar, like, what's popping?
Speaker 7 (32:38):
What's going on?
Speaker 6 (32:39):
I'm in the city when you go to I think
Mahomes is in Texas somewhere is whereas off season home
is when you go there, you're not hitting.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Up Mahomes like.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
What's And that's cool because the players are voting.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
Right, Because the players are voting, that will factor into
some of this because they're not watching film of some
of these guys. Like during the season, you play, but
seventeen games. Now there's thirty two teams in the league,
so you're not playing every team every year. So unless
there's some kind of crossover where because it's a division game,
(33:18):
you get to see Pittsburgh's defense twice because they played
Baltimore where you're playing this week, Like a lot of
those teams, you don't really see them play.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
You hear about that, you see.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
But if I think back, like if we go back
to December and I'm a player and I just you know,
I don't dislike Mahomes, but you know, I rock with Lamar,
you know, maybe hung out with him like you're saying,
and I'm not. We don't play Kansas City, So I'm
not seeing their games. All I know is that they're
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in the losing streak.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
And Mahomes is it, you know.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
He's having a subpart.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Right for here, right right then?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Maybe, and Lamar is about to win the second MVP,
like I said, and that makes it a little more understandable.
But I mean, Patrick Mahomes is just And again maybe
if it was voted on after the super Bowl it
would have been different.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I gotta imagine it would, and I
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Do think Lamar would say that as well.
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