August 2, 2024 • 39 mins
Former NFL quarterback Shaun King is in for Rob, and he and Chris tell us the biggest issues they had with the top-10 of the NFL 100 as voted on by the players, explain why Shaquille O’Neal has unrealistic expectations for this current Team USA basketball squad and share their thoughts on the ongoing controversy regarding Algerian boxer Imane Khelif. Plus, Super Bowl champion and FS1 contributor Amani Toomer swings by to discuss his viral comments criticizing Caleb Williams’ leadership style, why this current crop of NFL veterans might be more lenient with rookies than veterans of the 1990s and early 2000s, why he has a problem with Brock Purdy ‘experimenting’ in training camp and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:38):
You are doing a fantastic job, man, because this is
your last show, our last show of the week. Obviously
you're filling in for Rob Parker, so your last show
of the week.
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Speaker 3 (01:38):
A money. Great to have you on, man.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Great to have great to be on. Thanks for having me. Guys,
I'm gonna sean.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I know that's why he's about to try to kiss you.
Kiss to you because he must. He owe you money.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Listen, I like to give flowers what guys are still living.
And when I talk to young players, I tell him
everybody can't be a gold jacket Hall of Famer. But
second to that being able to play thirteen years for
the same team. Just think about that for a second, Chris.
Not a lot of guys can say that, did you
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play over a decade in the league and you did
it with the same team.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Man. Salute to mister Tuma.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Thank you, thank you. The record honor too. And I
got a record.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure. That's dope.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, definitely, great career, what like about five about six
straight one thousand yard seasons or something.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
He had a little stretch there right in the middle.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah. Yeah. And then we then we drafted Eli and
then you know, got quarterback. I love Eli, man, you know,
he got to develop your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
I say, like Keishawn and Tampa, I hate you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Get us the ball, man, just get us the ball.
Be all right, be all good.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Well, speaking of young players of mine and Sean had
the same take as you. But when Kevin Bayer, you know,
he came out and he praised he talked about Caleb
Williams and his great leadership in Chicago. Uh, and he
uses an example that you know, he said to all
the veterans, Hey, we need to start clean up the
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locker room. Keep it clean for all the people working,
and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
And Mike.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Obviously, I did not play in the NFL, but my
initial thought, you know, just knowing the league, was that, wow,
that's interesting because usually the rookies, you know.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Are getting hazed and they have to clean up and
do things.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Like that, and I heard a lot of praise for
Caleb in that regard.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I was kind of glad to hear.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
You because it was what I initially thought would more
be the case, and then Sean backed you up. But
just tell us your thoughts and impressions that you shared
on the card and Show and just how you feel
about that situation.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, I've been an avid great. I don't really do
my social media, but my social media has been blown
up and it's great.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I've been.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I was on a flight yesterday to Colorado, so I
had a lot of time, but people were talking getting misconstrued.
It has nothing to do with cleaning up and helping
the workers in the room that the custodians and whatnot.
Nothing to do with that. It has everything to do
with you have two things going against you as a
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rookie and the first pickoverall. First, you're the first pickoverall. Second,
you're a quarterback. Everybody hates the quarterback. They might not
tell you it, but everybody hates the quarterback. They get
all the praise every time something happens, the quarterback did it.
Every time something goes wrong, you know, the quarterback gets
the blame. But usually they deserve it. But anyway is
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that and he's a good player, And if you're a
good player, the second thing is a good player. What
the good players have to do is they have to
make sure that everybody who got to talk to everybody.
They can't demean anybody, they can't belittle anybody. They got
to be one of the guys. And so when if
a rookie came in too, and I'm in my eighth year,
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seven year or sixth year, and I've been struggling on
this team, trying to make it all and make it
and this guy comes in with all this fanfare. He's
going to change everything. He's gonna be the best thing
since slight spread. And then he comes in. The first
thing he does is doesn't show up on the field
and start balling like that. I haven't heard reports about that.
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I've heard reports that he's been struggling, but that's not
my point. I don't care that he's struggling. I just
feel that if you're not a guy that's going to
ingratiate yourself with the rest of the team, you can't
just come in and just start telling people what to
do and cleaning up the locker. Room stuff that's insignificant.
My brother played for the Cincinnati Bengals for when they
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drafted to Johnny Carter, and everybody hated that guy too,
because he came in and the first thing he said
was when are we going to get the new offensive lineman?
These guys aren't any good, and that's what Those type
of things don't go away. And I just feel like
I'm trying to help him. See the thing about it is,
when you talk to an athlete and I'm talking to
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him straight and I'm telling him straight on how to be,
you think I'm criticizing him. But with your an athlete,
I can learn from the truth, and the truth you
can learn from that. Now, if you're sitting back and
you want to tell him how good he is and
all that stuff, that's not gonna get him any better.
But if you tell somebody the truth, then they can
learn from that and change their way. Because I just
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feel like he's going down a bad pass. I don't
know much about what's going on, but when I hear
stories like that, and all the rookies that I've heard about,
you know, the the Ryan Leafs and all these guys
that are good players, but just because you know, they
don't get it off the field, they don't get the
players behind them. They end up their career ends up
not being determined by how good of a player they are.
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Their career is determined by the fact that they can't
get along with people. Happen to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
So I agree with them money. I think the truth
doesn't have emotions, it's just the truth. I don't think
what Caleb did was malicious. I think it was misguided.
You know, I was always raised Chris and her money.
Don't talk about it, be about it. And for rookie
coming into an organization, to me, if you thought the
locker room was messy the thing to do with, you
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should be the leader of the rookie class.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You should get the rookie class together and.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Say, listen, man, we don't want to leave this for
all the people that got to come and clean up later.
Let's get one of them big orange buckets, our garbage
kansas go around and pick everything up. And you could
do it so to vets see you doing it, like
almost embarrass them into doing it by you doing it yourself,
but just to get in the huddle and like, okay, now,
you're the big bad wolf in the building. All of
a sudden, Yo, Broussar, go clean your lock up.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I don't know how I was gonna be received.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, it just doesn't work out that way. And I
just feel like it shows a lack of awareness, a
lack of respect for the veterans that have been I mean,
in Chicago, they've been taking bullets in terms of you know,
they have not been It's been a rough road for
all those people in that locker room. I don't care
when you start losing as many games as they have,
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it's not easy. And all of a sudden some guy
comes in he's gonna and he just think he's gonna,
you know, be the new sheriff in town. It just
doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So now Kevin Bayern is I mean, he's a all pro,
not just a Pro Bowl a little bit of all
pro safety. Do you think you guys think he's just
kind of with saying the right thing and that it
dear vet's the wrong way or are vets different now?
Are locker rooms not what they used to be when
you guys played?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
They must be because I know that when if somebody
would think about it, you don't want to be the
guy that's trying to bring down the franchise quarterback. Want
to be kind of like, you want to be very
very careful because there is a much delicate a safety
then to get rid of the quarterback that they picked
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the first pick over all on the draft. So you've
got to understand your place, no matter if you're a
Hall of famer, this guy is going to be the future,
no matter it's not Hall of Fame. If you're a
pro bowler, it's the future, you know, and he's gonna
help you win more dame. So I never believe anything
that comes out of UH comes out of these training
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camps because I played with Dave Brown, and I remember
when Jim Fossil came and he talked about how he
changed his drop and changed all this, and it comes
out when the first game came and comes around and
he's still the same day Brown and then Danny Canal
starting the next week. That's just kind of how it works.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Wow. I mean, if we're being honest, Chris, it may
and who knows, Caleb may turn into a box office
mega superstar. And if you're if you're on that team
and and you were overly critical of him publicly before
you figured out that he is the next Mahmes. I'm
not saying he is, but if it turns out to be,
that's a bad spot to being in that organization because
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it could come a day with like, I mean, think
about how many careers Aaron Rodgers extended in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, he went to the jail extending.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
He went and made him paylesss on and he brought uh,
what's the receipt from Kentucky that was there with him?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, random car.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
I mean they got those jobs in contracts because Rogerson
said I want my boys. I think they bring Mercedes Lord.
So say you want to stay in the good graces
of the quarterback?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Absolutely absolutely, Minnie.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Let me ask you this because there was a big
little bit of a stink about rock Party earlier in
the week. He had three interceptions one day and then
four interceptions the next day. How big of a deal
is that party just saying, hey, you're experimenting. I'm trying
to make plays, you know, in practice to see that
I wouldn't necessarily try in the games, but just to
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see what was working. What do you think it's something
to be concerned about and how do things like that
go in training camp? Are the quarterbacks doing things that
are uncharacteristic just to see what they might be able
to get away with.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I'd have to take him at his word. He's been
nothing but great since he's since he's played. But I
don't care what you say. You throw four interceptions in
a practice and you just say you're just experimenting, That's
just not how it works, you know what I mean.
You've got to perform and practice. You got to perform
one hundred percent of the time. And I always tell
people what it's like to play in the NFL, Like
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you go into your office and you're in your cubicle
and you're doing your work, and then you look over
at the water cooler and you see four people over
there stretching, trying to get their type typewriters, their's finger type,
their fingers, ready to take your job once you screw up.
So I just feel like there's no room for experiment. Man.
If he feels that comfortable that he can experiment, that's
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another thing you need to bring him to more competition.
Everybody needs to be on point all the time, and
that's why the NFL is so hard and That's why
the NFL. So it's such a competitive league because nobody.
I tell everybody, everybody got four games, you are the
last four games that you are so so the end
of the season, if you had a great end of
the season and the poor beginning of the season, they're
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going to take those last four games. So I just
feel like, I don't know, I never really take much
out of training camp, but if you're throwing four interceptions,
especially quarterbacks, because they get all the you know, they
get the plays beforehand, they know the defenses before sign
for quarterback to look good.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
All that is our manmonemighty, great stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Brother, We thank.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You, thank you, thank you, all right.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Brother peace all Sean.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I thought everybody knew Patrick Mahomes is the best player
in the world.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It is not the case. Yeah it is.
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Speaker 3 (15:02):
I'm baffled, Sean. We know that.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Every year the NFL, I guess, the NFL network releases
its list of the top one hundred players for the year,
like I guess going into this season twenty twenty four,
and the players vote in December. Now that gives me
a little more, a little more tolerance for what the
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polling gave. But the top ten just came out tonight.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
It was just revealed.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
As far as the order tonight, they've been revealing, you know,
in tens pretty much, you know all week the players
and we've.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Gotten to the top.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
So rob g give us the top ten players as
voted on by the NFL players themselves going into this season,
and give us from ten to nine to eight and
so on, all.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
Right, we'll starting order number ten, Max Crosby, number nine,
Travis Kelcey number eight, JJ Watt number seven, Trent Williams
number six, Chris Jones number five, Miles Garrett number four,
Patrick Mahomes number three, Christian McCaffrey, number two, Lamar Jackson,
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and number one Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
All right, I just want to say this, Sean, the
best player in the world is Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
And it's not even up for debate.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Like I said earlier, I understand a little bit more
because if they's voting was done in December, which I
don't agree with, vote after the season. You're not releasing
it until August, So why not vote in this after
the season, Because I think if it was voted on
after the season, Patrick, I assume Patrick.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Mahomes would have been number one.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
But if it's voted in December, Lamar Jackson appeared to
be on his way to a second straight MVP, which
indeed he did win, and Patrick Mahomes did not have
even close to his best season.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
In fact, he had his worst season last year.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And in December, if you remember, Sean, the Kansas City
Chiefs were struggling. They were in the midst of a
bad you know stretch where they lost four of six games.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
They lost to.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Buffalo, Green Bay, the Raiders even and the Eagles, and
the Denver beating them in October. So at that point,
the Chiefs didn't look like they were gonna win their second,
you know, straight Super Bowl. So I guess that makes
it a little more palatable to me. But still, I mean, Patrick,
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even before, even in December, he still had two super
Bowls and two MVPs.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So I think that's a travesty.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
With all due respect to Lamar, who is a great quarterback,
I don't mind him being number two, but Patrick Mahomes
should be the best player in the world. Hello, it's Sean.
It is Sean there.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I said, how is Tyreek number one?
Speaker 6 (18:13):
I mean he left Kansas City and Patrick took the
Chiefs and won another Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Right? No?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
No, No, two more two more December number one sat.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I mean, what I will say is this, and maybe
this is a bit This might be refreshing to some people.
They clearly did not just over rate I don't want
to say over rate, but they didn't give extra points.
How about that to the quarterbacks, which I think is
a bit refreshing because I don't think the quarterbacks are
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Like I don't think Tom Brady is the best football
player ever. I think he's the best quarterback, but I
don't think he's the best football player. And so I
think it's a tad bit refreshing to see that the
players just looked at it as who we think are
actually the best football players. But even with that criteria,
I still think it should be Mahomes. But look, Tyreek,
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I mean, look, he was killing people last year. He
really showed us. I think it was last year that
we saw his greatness, especially early on what he was doing.
Remember he was looking like an early MVP, you know,
maybe midway through the season.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, Toik's a great player.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I just I mean, you think it can't be a
receiver or just what Mahomes has done in Kansas City
post Tyreek, I mean, just in this particular context, you
can't put Tyrek ahead of Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
McCaffrey's way too high. I agree.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I thought we talked about it on First Things First today,
like what player do you think got snubbed the most
from the top ten. Joe Burrow was a great answer.
He was thirty ninth which is ridiculous, but I guess
that's his injuries.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Josh.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I don't see how Josh Allen's not in the top
ten as a football player, and I think they're both
should be ahead of McCaffrey.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I mean, if you play dB, I guess they just
don't care about you at all. There wasn't one dB
in the top ten, right right right? A lot of
defensive ends was a JJ Watt, Miles Garrett. How about this,
Michael Parsons wasn't top ten, wasn't I don't remember you
saying his name.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, I don't, but I think he might have been
like fourteen or something, but I don't think he was
in the top ten.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
That's an interesting list. I disagree.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I even think Trent Williams shouldn't be in front of
guys like JJ Watt Miles Garrett. Their impact on the game.
I know Trent's really good well left tackle, I mean, yeah,
get impact. Their impact on the game is immense, and
Trench as a really good player.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
What do you think about Lamar being ahead of Mahome?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
That's laughable and I'm a big Lamar Jackson family. That's laughable. Yeah,
I think if Lamar was being truly honest, he said
that Mahomes should be in front.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Of you truth serum.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I don't think that there is an anti Mahome sentiment
among players.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I've never seen or gotten that vibe, do you. I
don't think so.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
But I don't think he's ingratiating himself as much as
Lamar because he's kind of just a different cat. He
kind of just does him you know what I mean?
You mean Mahomes Mahomes. Yeah, I do think that people
kind of. I do think I would think.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Most players really like Lamar a little more, not not
that they don't like Mahomes, but you know, just because
I mean, he's you know, you hear the culture, and
you know, he just represents that.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
When you're traveling in the off season and you get
to South Florida, you call it Lamar, like, what's popping?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
What's going on?
Speaker 6 (21:59):
I'm in this city when you go to I think
Mahomes is in Texas somewhere is whereas offseason home is.
When you go there, you're not hitting up Mahomes like.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
What's cop.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
And that's cool because the players are voting, right, Because
the players are voting, that will factor into some of
this because they're not watching film of some of these guys.
Like during the season, you play seventeen games. Now there's
thirty two teams in the league, so you're not playing
every team every year. So unless there's some kind of
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crossover where because it's a division game, you get to
see Pittsburgh's defense twice because they played Baltimore where you're
playing this week, Like a lot of those teams, you
don't really see them play.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You hear about it.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You see.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
If I think back, like if we go back to
December and I'm a player, and I just you know,
I don't dislike Mahomes, but you know, I rock with Lamar.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
You know, maybe you've hung out with him, like like
you're saying, and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
We don't play Kansas City, so I'm not seeing their games.
All I know is that they're in a losing streak
and Mahomes is it. You know, he's having a sub
part right here right right then. Maybe and Lamar is
about to win a second MVP, like I said, and
that makes it a little more understandable.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
But I mean, Patrick.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Mahomes is just and again maybe if it was voted
on after the Super Bowl, it would have been different.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I gotta imagine it would, and I.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Do think Lamar would say that as well. Right, we
got go ahead, I'll say not.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
As like him not being confident in himself, but he said,
I still gotta win one for this.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Guy, right right, for somebody to put me above him.
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Speaker 5 (24:01):
All right, thank you, Steve, have a great weekend.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Thank you.
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Speaker 3 (24:19):
A bit on the show tonight. Sean. You know who's
not impressed, Shaq.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And Shaq said, if they don't win every they should
win every game by at least twenty points.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
And if they don't, he's not impressed.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
And here's why because when Shaq played, Shaq played in
the Olympics in nineteen ninety six and that team was awesome.
Like we always talk about the dream team, Yeah, understandably,
we talk about the Dream team of obviously nineteen ninety two.
We talk about the Redeemed Team of two thousand and eight.
Here is the team. These were the guys on the
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team in ninety six. Shawn Charles Barr, Barkley, David Robinson,
Gary Payton, Hakeem Elijahwan, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Mitch Richmond,
Penny Hardaway at the height of his powers, Reggie Miller,
Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Shack Grant Hill injury. Yeah, that's Grant Hill at the
height of his power.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
There's an argument, real talk that that team would have
beaten the original Dream Team. And here's why I say that,
because remember, Magic Johnson again was a year removed from
playing NBA basketball consistently.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Larry bird was, you know, had the back injuries.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
And didn't even play that much in the Olympics, didn't practice,
and they weren't They didn't have Isaiah Thomas, who you
know was one of was one of the best players
in the.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
League at that point.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I mean, with Michael Jordan and again some of these
same players, Barkley Ewing, I'll go with it's ninety two.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
But for those reasons I said, it was debatable. But
here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
That team, as you might expect, they won the gold,
of course, but like the original Dream Team, they routed everybody.
They beat Argentina by twenty eight, they beat Angola by
thirty three, they beat Lithuania by twenty two, they beat
China by fifty three, they beat Croatia by thirty one,
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they beat Brazil by twenty three, they beat Australia by
twenty eight, and in the gold medal game they beat
Serbia and Montenegro by twenty six points.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
So, I mean, look, Shaq.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Now is a great broadcaster, so you know, you would
expect that he understands the world has gotten better.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But I guess he's just thinking about Yo.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
We used to smash the Europeans, we used to smash
the Grecians, we used to smash the African teams, and
y'all up here struggling a little bit.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
What's up? I would say this, and I would push
back slightly.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Some of that is the competition is better, yes, and
some of it is the Dream Team to me is
extremely elite. I wish there was a little less nostalgia
on the Dream Team and more.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
I'm talking about the current twenty twenty four No.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
I'm talking about the ninety two team, I still feel
like they were nostalgic. I know, but I'm still feel
like that ninety two team because to me, Reggie Miller
in place of Bird who was injured, you know, kind
of elevates them to even a higher level.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Like no Michael Jordan on that team, right, Yeah, Mike, Mike.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Was pretty much Honey one n ninety three and that was.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, but then his second three p was ninety seven nine,
ninety seven, ninety eight.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Okay, he was just the fact that was after he
won the seventy two games and the championship in ninety six.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Thank you. That's a great team. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
That's a great team's ninety sixteen.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, that ninety sixteen it is.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
It is.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
If people forget how good Grant He'll and Penny Hardaway
wearing their prime.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Penny.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Any Hardaway would have gone down. Both of them, to
be honest, would have gone down as all time great players.
Now how great would have depended on how much they won.
The Grant was awesome. I don't want to take anything
away from Grant, but if both players, Penny and Grant
(28:40):
could have stayed healthy, oh man, I would take this
is is controversial.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
I'll take Penny. I take Penny over Grant.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
I mean, I'm a Duke guy, so I'm not gonna
come on the public airwaves and say anything that can
be a Duke player, Right.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You come on to public. You didn't even go to
Duke man. I took a visit there. I was going
to visit. Isn't going there. I took an official visit
Coach K. I couldn't talk football.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I visited Sarah, not to see Jim Behine, but I
visited Syracuse.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Hey, greatest mistake Coach K ever made in his life
is telling me I couldn't play both.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Mean, I'm sure you would have helped the Duke football
team for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
That's a.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Fan.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Penny hardway and shot with a state. Well, Penny got
hurt and that was the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
You know, he never You're right, like if he had
not gotten hurt and played with shock all those years?
Who I mean Penny was? Penny was something else. Penny
was like the second Coming. He was like a little
a more athletic version. He wasn't as great a pastor
as Magic. Magic is by far the best passer ever
scored a little more than Magic. Although Magic was a
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great you know, was a great score too, and could
have scored way more than he did. But Penny was
you know, Penny was viewed that way right because he
was like a six seven, six to eight point guard,
great pass or great handle finish. He was viewed as
almost like the second coming or new age at that time,
(30:26):
Magic Johnson.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
So that's why I just.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Say, man, Penny Penny was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
And I can't blame the whole series on one game,
But had they won that game won against Houston when
Nick Anderson missed those free throws, I felt like that series.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Would have been different.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Maybe I'm not gonna take anything away from the Rockets,
but it just seemed like because Orlando had outplayed with
Penny and Shock had outplayed them most of that game.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah, I see what we beat forty five Joan, right.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yes, yes, but that wasn't the real Michael Jordan. So
I don't even remember that.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I do. I'm imagine.
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All right? Well, Rob g bring back we wanted to.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
We started the show with a big controversial story in
the Olympics of Emon Khalif from Where's she from?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Axa, Algeria? Uh?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And she's a female boxer and Genitalia's female we don't know.
We had a great caller talk about the interior. You know,
what's the word I'm looking for organs.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Organs. Yeah, reproductive be a factor, Yeah, reproductive organs.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Does she have testes and where that produces a lot
of testosterone that she has ovares that's producing the estrogen.
But she does have as why chromosome, which are the
male chromosomes. And she demolished an Italian fighter in forty
six seconds and made her quit, and so it was
a big controversy. Now some people thought she was a man, like,
(33:14):
you know, biological man who was identifying as a woman
and allowed to fight women.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
That was not the case.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Despite the chromosomes. She has been identified. You know, she's
been a woman her like I guess because Sean. I
guess because people have just gone over about her genitalia, right, like,
because she has female genitalia, they've looked at her as
a woman, and she's identified and lived as a woman.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I gotta be honest, I.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Don't have a problem with it because there are some
people it's a small amount, but who do have, you know,
chromosomal situations like she does. And I just I don't
really have a problem. And again, she hasn't like dominated
the female competition. And I get it if some people
(34:04):
say that shouldn't be a factor. Fair is fair whether
you win or lose. But if she were really just
destroying females and it clearly was not fair, I do
feel like I feel differently. She is not one of
gold medal even though she's been in the Olympics before.
She's lost several fights, so I think she should be
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able to fight. But I don't believe biological men should
be able to compete in sports against girls or women,
or biological boys against girls or women, because I don't
think it's fair. I think females could get hurt, and
I also think it limits opportunities. It takes away opportunities
(34:47):
for females to shine in their sports.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, I agree, I'm looking for uniformity. Figure.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
They just seem to make a decisive decision on what's
the qualifier. Is it the X Y chromosomes, is it
the genitalia? Is it the internal reproductive organs? And didn't
just stick with it. But again, my only issue with
the Olympic situation is that this other organization gave one conclusion,
which was she's not eligible, then another organization said she is,
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and now you have a competitor that pulls out of
the fight because they think it's unfair, and now you
create this this huge controversy, you know, in the middle
of the Olympics, when if the.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Rules were black and white and you know, none of
this would happen.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
I'm interested to see how the young lady does in
this year's Olympics, because she's twenty five now, so that's kind.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Right.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
She probably wasn't in her prime. That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
And I was trying to look up like the expectations
for who's supposed to win gold and that weight.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
If I couldn't find it.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Did you, rogie, do you have any of that information,
like where she's expected to finish while.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
She's not one of the favorites to win, and even
though she has won in her local you know, a rab.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Tournaments, I gues that's where they described it on the Wikipedia.
I know what that means.
Speaker 9 (36:14):
But to set up her upcoming fight against a Hungarian fighter,
I don't know if you guys know this. They're already
laying the groundwork for another protest. So in the wake
of the Italian Boxing Federation where they were upset leading
up to their fight that was called off for for
forty six seconds. Her next fight, which I believe is tomorrow,
the Hungarian Boxing Commission has already laying the groundwork to
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protest the results as well, before it's even happened.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Well, it's interesting, and I don't know if this is
the case, but you wonder if in some of these countries,
to Sean's point, do the countries have different rules, so
in some of these countries, would she be disallowed to
fight women? You know, I don't know, but I agree.
(37:00):
I definitely agree with you Robbie that Hungry's laying the groundwork,
and I think Italy, I think that was a factor
in this fighter quitting because it was all whether it
was purposal, like, look, if if I go out here
and I feel like I'm overmatched, I'm just gonna quit,
you know, and make a stink about this person, you know,
(37:21):
and they're questionable, I guess, for lack of a better term,
chromosomes or whatever, or I think I think it played
on her mentally she you're going out there, she probably
already went out there defeated thinking she's fighting a man,
you know.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
What I mean. If it didn't go well again, a
little bit that I saw, I mean I'm just being honest.
That's the first fight, not the one where they the
first fight, it looked a little unequal. Hmm. It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I mean, I tell you what if she does if
she's allowed to compete throughout the Olympics, and I guess
it seems like she will be and she wins goal
and it is kind of beating down the competition like that.
Like you said, Sean, what it looked like to you,
it'll be it's gonna be interesting to see the reaction
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of that.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
It just really will. So it's a complicated, even though
it's simple.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I think when you're talking about biological men and biological women,
which is the most most cases, this one is. It's complex.
There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
It is Mary, Mary, Where you at on this? Mary Mary,
No hold on, I'm here.
Speaker 10 (38:43):
I'm here. Honestly, though, I feel like it's not really
that big of a deal. Like I just feel like
the like, I don't know, I feel like they're just
upset because she's a pretty good boxer. Like if you
really take away from just her, like her makeup or whatever,
it's kind of like, Okay, the Italian girl lost just
terror you see videos of her benching. He's doing like ten,
(39:03):
you know, like she's benching ten, which is like terrible.
So I don't know, I just feel like there's just
it's real. It's a real hater hater energy in this case.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Like I said, I from what I know, from what's
out there, I think she should be able to fight.
I think so too.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
I feel like the media is just like hounding in
to just kind of make up whatever.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
I just think it was a miss real hater energy
this weekend when I watched Jolan Beibes LOLLI gag up
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A money. Great to have you on, man.
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Great to have great to be on. Thanks for having me. Guys,
I'm gonna sean.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I know that's why he's about to try to kiss you.
Kiss to you because he must. He owe you money.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Listen, I like to give flowers what guys are still living.
And when I talk to young players, I tell him
everybody can't be a gold jacket Hall of Famer. But
second to that being able to play thirteen years for
the same team. Just think about that for a second, Chris.
Not a lot of guys can say that, did you
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play over a decade in the league and you did
it with the same team.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Man. Salute to mister Tuma.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Thank you, thank you. The record honor too. And I
got a record.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure. That's dope.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, definitely, great career, what like about five about six
straight one thousand yard seasons or something.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
He had a little stretch there right in the middle.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah. Yeah. And then we then we drafted Eli and
then you know, got quarterback. I love Eli, man, you know,
he got to develop your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
I say, like Keishawn and Tampa, I hate you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Get us the ball, man, just get us the ball.
Be all right, be all good.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Well, speaking of young players of mine and Sean had
the same take as you. But when Kevin Bayer, you know,
he came out and he praised he talked about Caleb
Williams and his great leadership in Chicago. Uh, and he
uses an example that you know, he said to all
the veterans, Hey, we need to start clean up the
(03:21):
locker room. Keep it clean for all the people working,
and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
And Mike.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Obviously, I did not play in the NFL, but my
initial thought, you know, just knowing the league, was that, wow,
that's interesting because usually the rookies, you know.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Are getting hazed and they have to clean up and
do things.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Like that, and I heard a lot of praise for
Caleb in that regard.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I was kind of glad to hear.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
You because it was what I initially thought would more
be the case, and then Sean backed you up. But
just tell us your thoughts and impressions that you shared
on the card and Show and just how you feel
about that situation.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, I've been an avid great. I don't really do
my social media, but my social media has been blown
up and it's great.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I've been.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I was on a flight yesterday to Colorado, so I
had a lot of time, but people were talking getting misconstrued.
It has nothing to do with cleaning up and helping
the workers in the room that the custodians and whatnot.
Nothing to do with that. It has everything to do
with you have two things going against you as a
(04:28):
rookie and the first pickoverall. First, you're the first pickoverall. Second,
you're a quarterback. Everybody hates the quarterback. They might not
tell you it, but everybody hates the quarterback. They get
all the praise every time something happens, the quarterback did it.
Every time something goes wrong, you know, the quarterback gets
the blame. But usually they deserve it. But anyway is
(04:50):
that and he's a good player, And if you're a
good player, the second thing is a good player. What
the good players have to do is they have to
make sure that everybody who got to talk to everybody.
They can't demean anybody, they can't belittle anybody. They got
to be one of the guys. And so when if
a rookie came in too, and I'm in my eighth year,
(05:14):
seven year or sixth year, and I've been struggling on
this team, trying to make it all and make it
and this guy comes in with all this fanfare. He's
going to change everything. He's gonna be the best thing
since slight spread. And then he comes in. The first
thing he does is doesn't show up on the field
and start balling like that. I haven't heard reports about that.
(05:36):
I've heard reports that he's been struggling, but that's not
my point. I don't care that he's struggling. I just
feel that if you're not a guy that's going to
ingratiate yourself with the rest of the team, you can't
just come in and just start telling people what to
do and cleaning up the locker. Room stuff that's insignificant.
My brother played for the Cincinnati Bengals for when they
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drafted to Johnny Carter, and everybody hated that guy too,
because he came in and the first thing he said
was when are we going to get the new offensive lineman?
These guys aren't any good, and that's what Those type
of things don't go away. And I just feel like
I'm trying to help him. See the thing about it is,
when you talk to an athlete and I'm talking to
(06:19):
him straight and I'm telling him straight on how to be,
you think I'm criticizing him. But with your an athlete,
I can learn from the truth, and the truth you
can learn from that. Now, if you're sitting back and
you want to tell him how good he is and
all that stuff, that's not gonna get him any better.
But if you tell somebody the truth, then they can
learn from that and change their way. Because I just
(06:40):
feel like he's going down a bad pass. I don't
know much about what's going on, but when I hear
stories like that, and all the rookies that I've heard about,
you know, the the Ryan Leafs and all these guys
that are good players, but just because you know, they
don't get it off the field, they don't get the
players behind them. They end up their career ends up
not being determined by how good of a player they are.
(07:02):
Their career is determined by the fact that they can't
get along with people. Happen to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
So I agree with them money. I think the truth
doesn't have emotions, it's just the truth. I don't think
what Caleb did was malicious. I think it was misguided.
You know, I was always raised Chris and her money.
Don't talk about it, be about it. And for rookie
coming into an organization, to me, if you thought the
locker room was messy the thing to do with, you
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should be the leader of the rookie class.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You should get the rookie class together and.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Say, listen, man, we don't want to leave this for
all the people that got to come and clean up later.
Let's get one of them big orange buckets, our garbage
kansas go around and pick everything up. And you could
do it so to vets see you doing it, like
almost embarrass them into doing it by you doing it yourself,
but just to get in the huddle and like, okay, now,
you're the big bad wolf in the building. All of
a sudden, Yo, Broussar, go clean your lock up.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I don't know how I was gonna be received.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, it just doesn't work out that way. And I
just feel like it shows a lack of awareness, a
lack of respect for the veterans that have been I mean,
in Chicago, they've been taking bullets in terms of you know,
they have not been It's been a rough road for
all those people in that locker room. I don't care
when you start losing as many games as they have,
(08:22):
it's not easy. And all of a sudden some guy
comes in he's gonna and he just think he's gonna,
you know, be the new sheriff in town. It just
doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So now Kevin Bayern is I mean, he's a all pro,
not just a Pro Bowl a little bit of all
pro safety. Do you think you guys think he's just
kind of with saying the right thing and that it
dear vet's the wrong way or are vets different now?
Are locker rooms not what they used to be when
you guys played?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
They must be because I know that when if somebody
would think about it, you don't want to be the
guy that's trying to bring down the franchise quarterback. Want
to be kind of like, you want to be very
very careful because there is a much delicate a safety
then to get rid of the quarterback that they picked
(09:09):
the first pick over all on the draft. So you've
got to understand your place, no matter if you're a
Hall of famer, this guy is going to be the future,
no matter it's not Hall of Fame. If you're a
pro bowler, it's the future, you know, and he's gonna
help you win more dame. So I never believe anything
that comes out of UH comes out of these training
(09:29):
camps because I played with Dave Brown, and I remember
when Jim Fossil came and he talked about how he
changed his drop and changed all this, and it comes
out when the first game came and comes around and
he's still the same day Brown and then Danny Canal
starting the next week. That's just kind of how it works.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Wow. I mean, if we're being honest, Chris, it may
and who knows, Caleb may turn into a box office
mega superstar. And if you're if you're on that team
and and you were overly critical of him publicly before
you figured out that he is the next Mahmes. I'm
not saying he is, but if it turns out to be,
that's a bad spot to being in that organization because
(10:11):
it could come a day with like, I mean, think
about how many careers Aaron Rodgers extended in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, he went to the jail extending.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
He went and made him paylesss on and he brought uh,
what's the receipt from Kentucky that was there with him?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, random car.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
I mean they got those jobs in contracts because Rogerson
said I want my boys. I think they bring Mercedes Lord.
So say you want to stay in the good graces
of the quarterback?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Absolutely absolutely, Minnie.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Let me ask you this because there was a big
little bit of a stink about rock Party earlier in
the week. He had three interceptions one day and then
four interceptions the next day. How big of a deal
is that party just saying, hey, you're experimenting. I'm trying
to make plays, you know, in practice to see that
I wouldn't necessarily try in the games, but just to
(11:05):
see what was working. What do you think it's something
to be concerned about and how do things like that
go in training camp? Are the quarterbacks doing things that
are uncharacteristic just to see what they might be able
to get away with.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I'd have to take him at his word. He's been
nothing but great since he's since he's played. But I
don't care what you say. You throw four interceptions in
a practice and you just say you're just experimenting, That's
just not how it works, you know what I mean.
You've got to perform and practice. You got to perform
one hundred percent of the time. And I always tell
people what it's like to play in the NFL, Like
(11:42):
you go into your office and you're in your cubicle
and you're doing your work, and then you look over
at the water cooler and you see four people over
there stretching, trying to get their type typewriters, their's finger type,
their fingers, ready to take your job once you screw up.
So I just feel like there's no room for experiment. Man.
If he feels that comfortable that he can experiment, that's
(12:02):
another thing you need to bring him to more competition.
Everybody needs to be on point all the time, and
that's why the NFL is so hard and That's why
the NFL. So it's such a competitive league because nobody.
I tell everybody, everybody got four games, you are the
last four games that you are so so the end
of the season, if you had a great end of
the season and the poor beginning of the season, they're
(12:24):
going to take those last four games. So I just
feel like, I don't know, I never really take much
out of training camp, but if you're throwing four interceptions,
especially quarterbacks, because they get all the you know, they
get the plays beforehand, they know the defenses before sign
for quarterback to look good.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
All that is our manmonemighty, great stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Brother, We thank.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You, thank you, thank you, all right.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Brother peace all Sean.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I thought everybody knew Patrick Mahomes is the best player
in the world.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It is not the case. Yeah it is.
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Speaker 3 (15:02):
I'm baffled, Sean. We know that.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Every year the NFL, I guess, the NFL network releases
its list of the top one hundred players for the year,
like I guess going into this season twenty twenty four,
and the players vote in December. Now that gives me
a little more, a little more tolerance for what the
(15:30):
polling gave. But the top ten just came out tonight.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
It was just revealed.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
As far as the order tonight, they've been revealing, you know,
in tens pretty much, you know all week the players
and we've.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Gotten to the top.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
So rob g give us the top ten players as
voted on by the NFL players themselves going into this season,
and give us from ten to nine to eight and
so on, all.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
Right, we'll starting order number ten, Max Crosby, number nine,
Travis Kelcey number eight, JJ Watt number seven, Trent Williams
number six, Chris Jones number five, Miles Garrett number four,
Patrick Mahomes number three, Christian McCaffrey, number two, Lamar Jackson,
(16:17):
and number one Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
All right, I just want to say this, Sean, the
best player in the world is Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
And it's not even up for debate.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Like I said earlier, I understand a little bit more
because if they's voting was done in December, which I
don't agree with, vote after the season. You're not releasing
it until August, So why not vote in this after
the season, Because I think if it was voted on
after the season, Patrick, I assume Patrick.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Mahomes would have been number one.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
But if it's voted in December, Lamar Jackson appeared to
be on his way to a second straight MVP, which
indeed he did win, and Patrick Mahomes did not have
even close to his best season.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
In fact, he had his worst season last year.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And in December, if you remember, Sean, the Kansas City
Chiefs were struggling. They were in the midst of a
bad you know stretch where they lost four of six games.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
They lost to.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Buffalo, Green Bay, the Raiders even and the Eagles, and
the Denver beating them in October. So at that point,
the Chiefs didn't look like they were gonna win their second,
you know, straight Super Bowl. So I guess that makes
it a little more palatable to me. But still, I mean, Patrick,
(17:45):
even before, even in December, he still had two super
Bowls and two MVPs.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So I think that's a travesty.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
With all due respect to Lamar, who is a great quarterback,
I don't mind him being number two, but Patrick Mahomes
should be the best player in the world. Hello, it's Sean.
It is Sean there.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I said, how is Tyreek number one?
Speaker 6 (18:13):
I mean he left Kansas City and Patrick took the
Chiefs and won another Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Right? No?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
No, No, two more two more December number one sat.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I mean, what I will say is this, and maybe
this is a bit This might be refreshing to some people.
They clearly did not just over rate I don't want
to say over rate, but they didn't give extra points.
How about that to the quarterbacks, which I think is
a bit refreshing because I don't think the quarterbacks are
(18:51):
Like I don't think Tom Brady is the best football
player ever. I think he's the best quarterback, but I
don't think he's the best football player. And so I
think it's a tad bit refreshing to see that the
players just looked at it as who we think are
actually the best football players. But even with that criteria,
I still think it should be Mahomes. But look, Tyreek,
(19:11):
I mean, look, he was killing people last year. He
really showed us. I think it was last year that
we saw his greatness, especially early on what he was doing.
Remember he was looking like an early MVP, you know,
maybe midway through the season.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, Toik's a great player.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I just I mean, you think it can't be a
receiver or just what Mahomes has done in Kansas City
post Tyreek, I mean, just in this particular context, you
can't put Tyrek ahead of Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
McCaffrey's way too high. I agree.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I thought we talked about it on First Things First today,
like what player do you think got snubbed the most
from the top ten. Joe Burrow was a great answer.
He was thirty ninth which is ridiculous, but I guess
that's his injuries.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Josh.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I don't see how Josh Allen's not in the top
ten as a football player, and I think they're both
should be ahead of McCaffrey.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I mean, if you play dB, I guess they just
don't care about you at all. There wasn't one dB
in the top ten, right right right? A lot of
defensive ends was a JJ Watt, Miles Garrett. How about this,
Michael Parsons wasn't top ten, wasn't I don't remember you
saying his name.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, I don't, but I think he might have been
like fourteen or something, but I don't think he was
in the top ten.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
That's an interesting list. I disagree.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I even think Trent Williams shouldn't be in front of
guys like JJ Watt Miles Garrett. Their impact on the game.
I know Trent's really good well left tackle, I mean, yeah,
get impact. Their impact on the game is immense, and
Trench as a really good player.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
What do you think about Lamar being ahead of Mahome?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
That's laughable and I'm a big Lamar Jackson family. That's laughable. Yeah,
I think if Lamar was being truly honest, he said
that Mahomes should be in front.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Of you truth serum.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I don't think that there is an anti Mahome sentiment
among players.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I've never seen or gotten that vibe, do you. I
don't think so.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
But I don't think he's ingratiating himself as much as
Lamar because he's kind of just a different cat. He
kind of just does him you know what I mean?
You mean Mahomes Mahomes. Yeah, I do think that people
kind of. I do think I would think.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Most players really like Lamar a little more, not not
that they don't like Mahomes, but you know, just because
I mean, he's you know, you hear the culture, and
you know, he just represents that.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
When you're traveling in the off season and you get
to South Florida, you call it Lamar, like, what's popping?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
What's going on?
Speaker 6 (21:59):
I'm in this city when you go to I think
Mahomes is in Texas somewhere is whereas offseason home is.
When you go there, you're not hitting up Mahomes like.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
What's cop.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
And that's cool because the players are voting, right, Because
the players are voting, that will factor into some of
this because they're not watching film of some of these guys.
Like during the season, you play seventeen games. Now there's
thirty two teams in the league, so you're not playing
every team every year. So unless there's some kind of
(22:34):
crossover where because it's a division game, you get to
see Pittsburgh's defense twice because they played Baltimore where you're
playing this week, Like a lot of those teams, you
don't really see them play.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You hear about it.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You see.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
If I think back, like if we go back to
December and I'm a player, and I just you know,
I don't dislike Mahomes, but you know, I rock with Lamar.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
You know, maybe you've hung out with him, like like
you're saying, and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
We don't play Kansas City, so I'm not seeing their games.
All I know is that they're in a losing streak
and Mahomes is it. You know, he's having a sub
part right here right right then. Maybe and Lamar is
about to win a second MVP, like I said, and
that makes it a little more understandable.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
But I mean, Patrick.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Mahomes is just and again maybe if it was voted
on after the Super Bowl, it would have been different.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I gotta imagine it would, and I.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Do think Lamar would say that as well. Right, we
got go ahead, I'll say not.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
As like him not being confident in himself, but he said,
I still gotta win one for this.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Guy, right right, for somebody to put me above him.
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Speaker 5 (24:01):
All right, thank you, Steve, have a great weekend.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
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Sean King in for Rob Parker. We're live from the
tire Rack dot Com studios, and we've talked about Team USA.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
A bit on the show tonight. Sean. You know who's
not impressed, Shaq.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And Shaq said, if they don't win every they should
win every game by at least twenty points.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
And if they don't, he's not impressed.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
And here's why because when Shaq played, Shaq played in
the Olympics in nineteen ninety six and that team was awesome.
Like we always talk about the dream team, Yeah, understandably,
we talk about the Dream team of obviously nineteen ninety two.
We talk about the Redeemed Team of two thousand and eight.
Here is the team. These were the guys on the
(24:56):
team in ninety six. Shawn Charles Barr, Barkley, David Robinson,
Gary Payton, Hakeem Elijahwan, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Mitch Richmond,
Penny Hardaway at the height of his powers, Reggie Miller,
Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Shack Grant Hill injury. Yeah, that's Grant Hill at the
height of his power.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
There's an argument, real talk that that team would have
beaten the original Dream Team. And here's why I say that,
because remember, Magic Johnson again was a year removed from
playing NBA basketball consistently.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Larry bird was, you know, had the back injuries.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
And didn't even play that much in the Olympics, didn't practice,
and they weren't They didn't have Isaiah Thomas, who you
know was one of was one of the best players
in the.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
League at that point.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I mean, with Michael Jordan and again some of these
same players, Barkley Ewing, I'll go with it's ninety two.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
But for those reasons I said, it was debatable. But
here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
That team, as you might expect, they won the gold,
of course, but like the original Dream Team, they routed everybody.
They beat Argentina by twenty eight, they beat Angola by
thirty three, they beat Lithuania by twenty two, they beat
China by fifty three, they beat Croatia by thirty one,
(26:28):
they beat Brazil by twenty three, they beat Australia by
twenty eight, and in the gold medal game they beat
Serbia and Montenegro by twenty six points.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
So, I mean, look, Shaq.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Now is a great broadcaster, so you know, you would
expect that he understands the world has gotten better.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But I guess he's just thinking about Yo.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
We used to smash the Europeans, we used to smash
the Grecians, we used to smash the African teams, and
y'all up here struggling a little bit.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
What's up? I would say this, and I would push
back slightly.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Some of that is the competition is better, yes, and
some of it is the Dream Team to me is
extremely elite. I wish there was a little less nostalgia
on the Dream Team and more.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
I'm talking about the current twenty twenty four No.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
I'm talking about the ninety two team, I still feel
like they were nostalgic. I know, but I'm still feel
like that ninety two team because to me, Reggie Miller
in place of Bird who was injured, you know, kind
of elevates them to even a higher level.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Like no Michael Jordan on that team, right, Yeah, Mike, Mike.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Was pretty much Honey one n ninety three and that was.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, but then his second three p was ninety seven nine,
ninety seven, ninety eight.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Okay, he was just the fact that was after he
won the seventy two games and the championship in ninety six.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Thank you. That's a great team. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
That's a great team's ninety sixteen.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, that ninety sixteen it is.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
It is.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
If people forget how good Grant He'll and Penny Hardaway
wearing their prime.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Penny.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Any Hardaway would have gone down. Both of them, to
be honest, would have gone down as all time great players.
Now how great would have depended on how much they won.
The Grant was awesome. I don't want to take anything
away from Grant, but if both players, Penny and Grant
(28:40):
could have stayed healthy, oh man, I would take this
is is controversial.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
I'll take Penny. I take Penny over Grant.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
I mean, I'm a Duke guy, so I'm not gonna
come on the public airwaves and say anything that can
be a Duke player, Right.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You come on to public. You didn't even go to
Duke man. I took a visit there. I was going
to visit. Isn't going there. I took an official visit
Coach K. I couldn't talk football.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I visited Sarah, not to see Jim Behine, but I
visited Syracuse.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Hey, greatest mistake Coach K ever made in his life
is telling me I couldn't play both.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Mean, I'm sure you would have helped the Duke football
team for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
That's a.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Fan.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Penny hardway and shot with a state. Well, Penny got
hurt and that was the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
You know, he never You're right, like if he had
not gotten hurt and played with shock all those years?
Who I mean Penny was? Penny was something else. Penny
was like the second Coming. He was like a little
a more athletic version. He wasn't as great a pastor
as Magic. Magic is by far the best passer ever
scored a little more than Magic. Although Magic was a
(30:03):
great you know, was a great score too, and could
have scored way more than he did. But Penny was
you know, Penny was viewed that way right because he
was like a six seven, six to eight point guard,
great pass or great handle finish. He was viewed as
almost like the second coming or new age at that time,
(30:26):
Magic Johnson.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
So that's why I just.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Say, man, Penny Penny was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
And I can't blame the whole series on one game,
But had they won that game won against Houston when
Nick Anderson missed those free throws, I felt like that series.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Would have been different.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Maybe I'm not gonna take anything away from the Rockets,
but it just seemed like because Orlando had outplayed with
Penny and Shock had outplayed them most of that game.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah, I see what we beat forty five Joan, right.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yes, yes, but that wasn't the real Michael Jordan. So
I don't even remember that.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I do. I'm imagine.
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You you dances all this now you you know we
in the same frat k Alphasai that been with the Canes.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Were you a big stepper? Absolutely? Really? I bet you
were nice. I could see you being Yeah, that was
has me.
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All right? Well, Rob g bring back we wanted to.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
We started the show with a big controversial story in
the Olympics of Emon Khalif from Where's she from?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Axa, Algeria? Uh?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And she's a female boxer and Genitalia's female we don't know.
We had a great caller talk about the interior. You know,
what's the word I'm looking for organs.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Organs. Yeah, reproductive be a factor, Yeah, reproductive organs.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Does she have testes and where that produces a lot
of testosterone that she has ovares that's producing the estrogen.
But she does have as why chromosome, which are the
male chromosomes. And she demolished an Italian fighter in forty
six seconds and made her quit, and so it was
a big controversy. Now some people thought she was a man, like,
(33:14):
you know, biological man who was identifying as a woman
and allowed to fight women.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
That was not the case.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Despite the chromosomes. She has been identified. You know, she's
been a woman her like I guess because Sean. I
guess because people have just gone over about her genitalia, right, like,
because she has female genitalia, they've looked at her as
a woman, and she's identified and lived as a woman.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I gotta be honest, I.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Don't have a problem with it because there are some
people it's a small amount, but who do have, you know,
chromosomal situations like she does. And I just I don't
really have a problem. And again, she hasn't like dominated
the female competition. And I get it if some people
(34:04):
say that shouldn't be a factor. Fair is fair whether
you win or lose. But if she were really just
destroying females and it clearly was not fair, I do
feel like I feel differently. She is not one of
gold medal even though she's been in the Olympics before.
She's lost several fights, so I think she should be
(34:27):
able to fight. But I don't believe biological men should
be able to compete in sports against girls or women,
or biological boys against girls or women, because I don't
think it's fair. I think females could get hurt, and
I also think it limits opportunities. It takes away opportunities
(34:47):
for females to shine in their sports.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, I agree, I'm looking for uniformity. Figure.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
They just seem to make a decisive decision on what's
the qualifier. Is it the X Y chromosomes, is it
the genitalia? Is it the internal reproductive organs? And didn't
just stick with it. But again, my only issue with
the Olympic situation is that this other organization gave one conclusion,
which was she's not eligible, then another organization said she is,
(35:19):
and now you have a competitor that pulls out of
the fight because they think it's unfair, and now you
create this this huge controversy, you know, in the middle
of the Olympics, when if the.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Rules were black and white and you know, none of
this would happen.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
I'm interested to see how the young lady does in
this year's Olympics, because she's twenty five now, so that's kind.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Right.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
She probably wasn't in her prime. That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
And I was trying to look up like the expectations
for who's supposed to win gold and that weight.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
If I couldn't find it.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Did you, rogie, do you have any of that information,
like where she's expected to finish while.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
She's not one of the favorites to win, and even
though she has won in her local you know, a rab.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Tournaments, I gues that's where they described it on the Wikipedia.
I know what that means.
Speaker 9 (36:14):
But to set up her upcoming fight against a Hungarian fighter,
I don't know if you guys know this. They're already
laying the groundwork for another protest. So in the wake
of the Italian Boxing Federation where they were upset leading
up to their fight that was called off for for
forty six seconds. Her next fight, which I believe is tomorrow,
the Hungarian Boxing Commission has already laying the groundwork to
(36:37):
protest the results as well, before it's even happened.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Well, it's interesting, and I don't know if this is
the case, but you wonder if in some of these countries,
to Sean's point, do the countries have different rules, so
in some of these countries, would she be disallowed to
fight women? You know, I don't know, but I agree.
(37:00):
I definitely agree with you Robbie that Hungry's laying the groundwork,
and I think Italy, I think that was a factor
in this fighter quitting because it was all whether it
was purposal, like, look, if if I go out here
and I feel like I'm overmatched, I'm just gonna quit,
you know, and make a stink about this person, you know,
(37:21):
and they're questionable, I guess, for lack of a better term,
chromosomes or whatever, or I think I think it played
on her mentally she you're going out there, she probably
already went out there defeated thinking she's fighting a man,
you know.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
What I mean. If it didn't go well again, a
little bit that I saw, I mean I'm just being honest.
That's the first fight, not the one where they the
first fight, it looked a little unequal. Hmm. It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I mean, I tell you what if she does if
she's allowed to compete throughout the Olympics, and I guess
it seems like she will be and she wins goal
and it is kind of beating down the competition like that.
Like you said, Sean, what it looked like to you,
it'll be it's gonna be interesting to see the reaction
(38:19):
of that.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
It just really will. So it's a complicated, even though
it's simple.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I think when you're talking about biological men and biological women,
which is the most most cases, this one is. It's complex.
There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
It is Mary, Mary, Where you at on this? Mary Mary,
No hold on, I'm here.
Speaker 10 (38:43):
I'm here. Honestly, though, I feel like it's not really
that big of a deal. Like I just feel like
the like, I don't know, I feel like they're just
upset because she's a pretty good boxer. Like if you
really take away from just her, like her makeup or whatever,
it's kind of like, Okay, the Italian girl lost just
terror you see videos of her benching. He's doing like ten,
(39:03):
you know, like she's benching ten, which is like terrible.
So I don't know, I just feel like there's just
it's real. It's a real hater hater energy in this case.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Like I said, I from what I know, from what's
out there, I think she should be able to fight.
I think so too.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
I feel like the media is just like hounding in
to just kind of make up whatever.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
I just think it was a miss real hater energy
this weekend when I watched Jolan Beibes LOLLI gag up
the court Williams, all right, we out a couple peers
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