August 5, 2024 • 39 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Rob, and he and Chris explain why Eli Manning feels like a lock to make the Pro Football Hall of Fame, debate whether Canelo Alvarez and Terence Crawford should fight at a 154-pound catch weight and tell us why they have big problems with the way Joel Embiid has played so far in the Olympics.
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That's your old stumping grounds, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Iowa Mafia for all those in Iowa. I went to
Dowling High School. I know y'all know about Dowling sports dominance.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
That's right, especially recently.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I was about to say when that happened in nineteen
sixty five after you graduated.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Oh no, we were really good when I was there.
We'd make state and things like that, but we didn't
win state. Now they be winning state a lot. So yes,
all right, let's get right into it, Martin weiss Eliman. Now,
of course, this weekend they inducted the new Hall of
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Fame class of twenty twenty four, and that was spectacular.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Well, the class of twenty twenty five, of course, is next.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Year, and one of the biggest names in that class,
of course, is Eli Manning. And the question is Martin
and Rob and I have talked about this a lot
on this show. We had Rob Woodson, the great, one
of the greatest defensive backs ever, to say that Eli
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Manning is not a Hall of Famer. So there is
some debate on him. Where do you stand on it
with Eli?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
As far as him being a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
If you had asked me the year after he retired,
I would have said absolutely not. However, as I've thought
about it, put some seasoning on it and put it
in the oven. I go back to like when I
forget who was the first person I heard say it?
But it's not an unpopular phrase. If you can't if
you can tell the story of whatever sport without said
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athlete involved in that story, they're probably not a Hall
of Famer, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
If you well, I mean, if you could tell a
little much.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
If you can tell I can tell the story of
basketball without talking about Damian Lillard.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well, I mean, the Basketball Hall of Fame has a
ton of people.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Okay, let's say football. Lillard though in any by any measure,
would be a Hall of Famer Football.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I can tell the story of football the NFL without
talking about uh.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Who I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I'm just trying to think of a guy, Rob g
jump in, Martin jump in. You know there's a guy
you can tell the story of football. Andre Johnson just
got ink he ain't getting he ain't in my story
about the NFL.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
No, no slight on Andre. Sure, but you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
So I'm just I'm not I know that's you didn't
come up with that saying. So I'm not jumping on you,
but I'm just saying that I agree with I.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Mean Andre Jonson too. I mean, I'm not about to
say that in the story of football, but you know, yeah,
but of the game. But the thing is, though, Chris,
if in fact that is your margin of in or out,
you can't tell the story of NFL football without Eli
Manning because you're telling the story of Tom Brady who
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failed him twice. That's Eli Manning in the biggest moment
in the biggest game, right, So when you're talking about
him in that manner and he was crazy hot through
those playoff runs and the Hall of Fame. There are
people who have Hall of Fame careers, and there are
people that have Hall of Fame moments inside of careers
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that are good enough for them to be able to
maintain those Hall of Fame moments. That Eli Manning to
me falls into the second category. I think I have
come to the resignation that he will get in and
so that's why. But you can't tell the story of
the NFL Super Bowl history without mentioning Eli Mann, and
for that reason, I think he's got to qualify.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Can you tell the story without mentioning David Tyree?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, but again, David Tyree didn't have the NFL career
that like.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
But but if you still criterias, you can't tell the story.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
That's what I'm saying, Like that's.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Bogus, But that criteria you still have, I can't tell
you without David Tyree.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You still have to be on a baseline, Like, at
the end of the day, was the starting quarterback in
the NFL for over ten years. It's not like he
was just out there. That's a pretty low baseline. But
I'm just I just don't have the number on top
I have it. I know he played ten probably fifteen
years he played as a starting quarter play he played
I think at least fifteen it never barely ever missed
a game. You know, had the starting street Like, he's
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tough as nails. So all of these things play into
the ability like after the fact, right, Like if David
Tyree had been to the NFL for fifteen years and
had that same helmet catch, we'd be having a different
conversation about him too.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Overall, even though I just demolished your criteria. I do
tend to agree with you that Eli Manning is a
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
He was.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
He had two remarkable playoff runs. Two remarkable playoff runs.
He was only a four time a Pro Bowler. He
never wasn't All Pro ever, not second team. I mean,
I don't even know if they have second team all
his years, but he never made All Pro.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
He's a five hundred quarterback for his career.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
However, because he did play fifteen seasons, he is in
the top ten in passing touchdowns and in passing yards.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I don't know how long that'll last because obviously guys
are throwing her yards now right I'm looking at passing
yards career.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Right now, Eli is tenth.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay, and Matthew Stafford's gonna passing this season, but he
is tenth right now, and he's got He's only two
thousand behind Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
So there you have that passing touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Eli is.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Tenth in passing touchdowns too.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Again, Matthew Stafford should passing Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
I mean, he'd have to have a really good year.
Russell Wilson's thirty two behind Eli.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
However, look, he retired Martin in the top ten in passing, touchdowns,
and yards. He's got two tremendous runs to the Super
Bowl that ended in victory.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
He beat the eighteen and oh New England Patriots. That
I mean, everybody.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Thought they were gonna win that game and they would
have gone down as the greatest team ever.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
And then he beat the Patriots again. So he beat
Brady twice. And it is true.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That his regular season career, let's just keep I mean,
he's five hundred quarterback. It was I wouldn't say mediocre,
but it was like good, but not great, not Hall
of Fame worthy. But when you factor in the two championships.
And look, I'm not saying this, I'm not saying just
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because you win two Super Bowls you are in the
Hall of Fame. Jim Plunkett won two Super Bowls and
never made it.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
It is not a Hall of Famer. But yet he
didn't have as.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Good of a career as Eli man And ironically his
record in the regular season was five hundred as well,
but he never made a Pro Bowl. Even so, he
was not quite what Eli Manny was. And throw this
into is a factor Martin, the fact that Eli played
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in New York. And I'm not saying that should be
a factor in terms of voters looking at that and saying,
you know what, he played New York, let's put him
in unless that gives him a few extra points. No,
I'm saying during the time when he was winning Super
Bowls and in the celebration, the post celebration, and even
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the years following, everything in done in New York is
magnified everything. Right, you win in New York, it's magnified,
and it seems better than ever.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
You lose in New York, it's magnified. It seems like
the worst thing we've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I mean, to your point, if you pulled who has
the worst contract in the NFL, I think a lot
of people say, Daniel Jones. Yeah, and it's not forty million,
like it's it's not the worst quarterback contract now there.
But a lot of people will say.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So Isaiah Thomas, the GM, A lot of people think
he was the worst GM in the history of league.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
He wasn't.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I mean, his draft record was actually really good, but
because it was in New York and it didn't work out,
it you know, was magnified.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
And so I do think that's a factor.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I mean, if Eli Manning Martin does what he did
playing for the Seattle Seahawks, is it is he a
Hall of Famer. I think that's a fair question. I'm
not saying he definitely wouldn't be, but I definitely think.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
He gets a booshe for doing it in New York.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I think so too. Also, he also gets a booshe
for being a Manning. Right when you consider that Peyton
man like, you know, he gets a little bit of
a boos from that that he comes from quote unquote
good stock, right in terms of good quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
But yeah, I'm just he run. I mean, he's super
let's put it. Let's face it. And it's interesting Martin
because when we think of Peyton, I mean, Peyton obviously
is one of the best quarterbacks we've ever seen, like
one of the top five. Right when we talk about
him and think about him as a two time Super
Bowl champion.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
We really, like, I don't hear people be littling. I don't.
I never hear it. Yeah, but the second one, I mean,
you might hear it, but it doesn't seem to stick.
Are you with me on that? Like, I think we
just think of Peyton.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
As a two time Super Bowl champion, regardless how poorly
he played that last season they won.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Part of the reason why it doesn't stick, like criticism
of that second of that Denver super Bowl wouldn't stick
in the same way is a he didn't even win
the MVP of that game. But also he had an
incredible Like if he never went to that Super Bowl,
he would still be in the Hall of Fame, right,
if he never went to that foot ball he would
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still be considered in the Hall of Fame because what
was his biggest problem not being able to beat Tom Brady,
which is true for almost everybody who played in the
AFC the entire time he was there, Right, It's true
for everybody that you know. It's like saying, oh, you know, well,
Carl Malone never won a championship. For John Stocker never
won a championship. Well, that's because they were playing against
Michael Jordan. He wasn't really giving him out, right, So
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when that's part of the reason why I think it
makes the argument for Eli to be in because when
you look at why do people not you know, because
the career that Peyton had kept bumping his head against Tom, Well,
Eli didn't have hell of them. I mean, even closer
to the regular season career that Peyton Manning had. But
when you go up into the biggest moments, he had
some big time hall of Fame moments that throw them
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Manning him, Like you said, to catch the tyree catch,
those things are in are just burned into NFL history.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Right, No, I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
And the fact that his two like you said, he's
a Manning and his two Super Bowl wins were more
impressive than Peyton's, especially the second one, you know, second one,
So I think that does give him a little bit
of a boost. So yeah, we agree. We think he
will be a Hall of Famer and is a Hall
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manning a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Your thoughts, Let's go to Jabbari in Michigan coming from
the Minton How you doing, man, You're on the I Couple.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
Well for everybody, how y'all doing on this magical or
magic city? Monday? Don good, done good, done, good good.
I just want this place. It's time to cool down
right now. It's just still getting high.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I feel you on that, bro.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
But overall, yeah, yeah, what I question, I do believe
that man is a Hall of Famer. I mean I
get the part with you're saying, Chris about New York
because I mean, just for any sport. You know a
lot of the New Ord athletes they get they get
treated like they are superstar already. You know our Live
Jalen Brumson. You know what I'm saying. So I get
with the same. But to me, the reason why I
think it's all of Famer, it's not just because that
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he is, not just because he beat Tom you know
Tom Brady in the Super Bowl twice. You though they
were magical. But also let's not forget about the time
when he did goes well on his way to Super Bowl.
He beat the Dallas Cowboys who were the number one
seed in the in and like in the divisional round,
then he beat Red Spark and the Green Bay Packers.
Those me were very special. That lead up to its
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way to go against the Patriots that were a ten
to oh. Because like I said, Eli, Manny and the
and the Giants, they were always the underdog and for
them to start and ended the way how it ended,
that was special. And he was He was a Super
Bowl MVP and the Super Bowl ev P in two
thousand and twenty eleventh season. You know, only six players
in the NFL history were able to win Super Bowl EVP. So, like,
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like I said, only six players to do that, and
they're all Hall of famous yeah too, like Patch my homes.
So to me, you know, Ali Man, although his career
it wasn't like it wasn't like great regular season wise,
we look at his numbers, he still had a decent
a decent regular season and then had a great postseason
one of those two posters in years and be one
and be one of the main reasons why they won
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Super Bowl. So to me, you know who he beat
and they on his way to Super Bowl. I believe, yes,
he is a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Okay, okay, cool, all right, all good points from Jabari
Mark in Oregon. You're up next on the couple on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Well, I'm not gonna make exceruses for you like Man,
and I will say the Giants didn't have a great
offensive line every year he was there, and so some
of those stats don't tell the whole story. But my
main point is this. I've been a fan of the
New York Giants all my life. I used to listen
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to their games back in the early nineteenth nineteenth sixty
in my dad's shop on an old German tabletop radio.
We all our hearts were broken with Johnny united to
speak the Giants for the second year in a row.
Eli Manny has reversed that history, beating Tom Brady twice,
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and that he is one of New York's greatest, their
most heroic athletes ever, along with that entire team. So
that's how I feel about it. New Yorkers feel that
way as well.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, that's that's fair.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I mean it's true. I mean what he did.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I mean, that's one of the greatest upsets in Super
Bowl history. One of Yeah, you know, so remember when
Brady laughed when they told him to score. I think
was it Plexico Berbers that predicted yep, And he laughed,
you know, and we all laughed.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I mean we thought, yeah, okay, they're gonna wax.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
That was truly one of those nobody believes in us moments.
Let's go to Brian from Tennessee. You're on the couple
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
Bonzero made me kamasa bah, what's up?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Come?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Where are you from?
Speaker 8 (18:21):
I'm well, I'm in Tennessee now.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
But that was French.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I believe what Martin knows.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I hear that Louisiana right now.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
It's French French Canadian, right, Yeah, that's from these four.
But I agree with you, guys. I mean, guys have
all made the points already about why you I should
be in inspect of that last caller talking about United
and that, and he's still a Guians fan. But I agree.
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I mean, he'd be Brady Toy. Why not. I mean,
my favorite team is the Dolphins. Marino's in there. You
never one one. I know, he had a lot of records, right,
he got three Super Bowls. I go, he belans from
man Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And Marinos better than Eli Manning. But I get what
he's saying. I mean, especially nowadays where we put so
much emphasis on Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
You know, I mean even more than we did back then.
So yeah, like I said, I'm good with it. I
get it.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
He was not one of I mean, he was not
one of the all time great quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
But had I mean, he had all time great moments.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, and again when he retired he was a top
ten in passing yards and passing touchdown and still is
for a while.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Minnesota. I'm sorry, Paul and Minnesota, you're on the eye
couple of statue case.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
Oh my god, hey guy, how you doing.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Good? Good? Good man?
Speaker 9 (19:54):
I can't believe what I'm hearing. I mean, don't well.
And this is not a personal knock on Eli Manning.
I mean, uh and and I'm not gonna not acknowledge
that he had a cinderelatives season. But with these mediocre
numbers over the body of the whole work like, it
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absolutely dilutes the integrity of the Hall of Fame. I mean,
this is supposed to be the best of the best.
And when we when we when we induct a quarterback
who averaged two hundred and thirty seven yards a game,
I believe, led the league three times in interceptions. Yeah,
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ever has been the first team All All Pro and
and and you know that's the only thing, that's the
only argument all of your callers are making those two
years where they beat New England and Tom Brady and
and I will argue it's a team sport. You know,
there's twenty two men on the field. There there are
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so many variables that you have to take under consideration.
And so I'm not arguing the fact that you know,
the stars didn't line those two years. But when you know,
bring it back to the big pincher, he's a mediocre quarterback.
And when you put mediocre quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame,
it dilutes the integrity of the Hall of Fame. And
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the last thing I will say is, yes, he has
these stats, but this next generation of quarterbacks in this
pass happy league, he's going to be buried in the
twenties and thirties. In twenty years.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, no, d Look, and I think the thing is,
you compare his numbers to the guys today and they
don't stack up. And we know we Rob and I
talk about this all the time. The numbers are inflated today.
Eli Manny he averaged two hundred and forty one point
six yards per game. That's twenty first all time. That's
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not bad. Guess who he's in front of. And I
know this quarterback was better, way.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Better than Eli Manning.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Brett farv right, Brett farv two hundred thirty seven point
nine yards a game, Dan fouts two thirty.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Seven point eight.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
So I hear what he's saying, but I think you
have to You can't compare his numbers to the numbers
today because it's a different era. But I think Eli
was better than mediocre. And I hear what he's saying
because we've talked about that Martin. Obviously, he wasn't phenomenal
in the regular season, but I think he was good enough,
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good in the regular season and then had two heroic
postseason runs. I think we'll get him. I think he
was good enough in the regular season. But you know,
a five hundred record is still tough to overcome. But
you overcome that with two of the most iconic Bowl
wins in NFL hit.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, I mean, let's face it, Joe Namath and I know,
I believe he was the first player to throw for
four for four thousand yards. But Joe Namath, outside of
that Super in uh, you know that he predicted in
nineteen sixty nine for the Jets their only Super Bowl,
and of course it was the AFL beating the NFL.
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I mean, that was that was really the highlight of
his career. His four thousand yard seasons of course were
you know with the AFL he was the first to
throw for four thousand. In the NFL he never even
threw for three thousand, right, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
And he's got.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Fifty rough almost fifty more interceptions than touchdowns. Again, different era,
but rob Gie, what were you saying? Nameth is one
of how many quarterbacks?
Speaker 10 (23:41):
So with Eli Manning, regardless whatever what happens, if he
gets in or if he doesn't, he's gonna be making
history or he'd be part of history because if he
does get in, he'll be one of only two other
quarterbacks a total of three that will be in the
Hall of Fame that have do you don't have a
winning record as a starter, it'll be Eli Namath, Sonny
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Jergensen name.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
It was sixty two, sixty three, and four.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Correct.
Speaker 10 (24:08):
If he doesn't get in, he'll join Jim Plunkett as
the only quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl wins that are
not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, there you have it, there, you have it, so
all right?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
In fact, after nineteen sixty nine, name youth played till
nineteen seventy seven. He only made one Pro Bowl after
nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I mean, yeah, again, a career that was good enough
with a Hall of Fame moment.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah right, well.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
Chris the piggyback off that after winning at second Super Bowl.
You know what Eli Manning's record was as a starter,
not good? Forty eight and sixty seven. That's raider numbers
right there, baby.
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Speaker 4 (25:02):
It's the eye couple of Christmas.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Martin Weis is in for Rob Parker and Martin jump
in here.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You're of that generation.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Like Rob g where it's all about just keep your
undefeated record, don't fight the big fights unless the money
is humongous. And this money will be really good. It
won't break records. But I think, and again his legacy
as great as it is. But Condelo Alvarez, if he
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were to fight Terrence Crawford and beat him, and I'm
not saying he would, I would be pulling for Crawford,
and I think Crawford could get him at one fifty four.
I think that'd be a great fight if Cornelo could
win it. For his legacy. Now he has obviously gotten
a lot bigger. He fights at one sixty eight now
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now he fought Floyd.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
At one fifty four. What one fifty four.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
So that's a different He might just be too big
now to get down there and keep his strength. So
I get it if he doesn't want to fight because
of the weight, I won't get it if he really,
if he could get down to one fifty four, knows
he be at the top of his game, really would
like to fight Crawford because he is regarded as the
(26:27):
best pound for pound fighter in boxing, but doesn't want
to take the risk of losing that I would, I
wouldn't love that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, I'm with you, though, Chris. I want to see
the like you said, I want to see the best
guys fight, like I think, and that's ultimately what this
hindered boxing going forward. Like I remember, I remember when
Canelo and Floyd Mayweather were fighting. But part of this,
I think is Floyd Mayweather's fault. Like if you start
like picking and choosing who you play. I put it
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like this, when you look at the best teams in
team sport history, there is an understanding that they did
not both build their own schedule, and if they did,
like if they somehow were able to, they still knock
down the toughest guys along our toughest teams along the way,
because there's a playoff structure that exists where you're gonna
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end up having to qualify and then win going forward
and four There's none of that in the same way
in boxing, So it's it's dependent upon the participants to
want to have the challenge. I think, like what he says,
Canelo's got nothing to lose, well, I mean nothing to
gain from the fight? Well, I mean how about a
win over Terrence Croft?
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Right?
Speaker 9 (27:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I mean, come on, Like, what is I don't understand
he says you had nothing to gain from that. You
have to gain as a win and the money that
you get from fighting. But all this posturing to me
about oh, we got to make sure the money is right,
We got to make sure this is right. You got
to make sure that is right. It sounds to me
like like you said, little yellow fever. It sounds a
little chicken bleep.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
And I think I'm not saying Canelos a frame.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I'm saying rob G's logic is indicative of yellow fever.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Obviously Rob G's not fighting, he's not scared.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
But to go to Mayweather, and you are absolutely right, Martin,
this is Floyd Mayweather's fault.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Now, if I had a nephew.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
That wanted to get into boxing, it was really good,
young prodigy whatever, I would give him the Floyd Mayweather
blueprint because Floyd Mayweather's made more money than any boxer
in history. Floyd Mayweather is not going to be punched
drunk because he didn't take a lot of punishment. He
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was smart from a business standpoint. I would tell anybody
that's how you should do it, because he's gonna be fine,
his health is fine and all that, and he made
tons of money and he is one of the greatest
ever wherever you're ranking. All right, But and what Floyd
did because of his fights were so I mean when
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he moved up, you know, and was fighting at the
welterweight level and all that, because he started the lower weights,
he would actually knock guys out lower weights. When he
moved up to the welterweight his fights were most of
them were terribly boring. And what he knew that and
that's why occasionally he would say, you know what, he
(29:22):
would engage more because he wanted to get the fans
what they wanted.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
But Floyd knew.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Martin how boring a lot of his fights were, and
he heard the noise, and so the way he sold
his fights was the talk right the pre fight hype
and all to talk about the money team and being undefeated.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
That was all the talk. Him being undefeated, never losing,
that was the selling point.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
So some people tuned in to see if he would
remain undefeated. Others tuned in to see if he would
get beat knowing it wasn't non be a good fight,
He wasn't gonna be exciting, but we just want to
see whether or not he can keep the zero on
his record. Before that, it wasn't a big deal. Sugar
Ray Leonard lost, Sugar Ray Robinson lost, Muhammad Ali lost.
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It wasn't that big of a deal. To lose, you
would have to come back from it and win. And
so I think for from a business standpoint, for the
boxer's health, Floyd is the blueprint. But from a fan standpoint,
from the standpoint of what's good for the sport, Floyd.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Was not good. To your point, he wasn't good, and look.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
And he he didn't fight Manny for years. That fight happened,
I don't know, six seven, eight years after it should
have happened, right, and.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
He but he talked about pachy isl.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And was he on performance and hands and drugs and
all that. Here's what I say, you saw craft for
Saturday night. First time he did not not somebody out
in eight years. It was because he moved up in
wait the power And I'm not saying he can't knock
anybody out at one fifty four, but obviously the power
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didn't come up with him. And that usually is what
happens in boxing. Like I said, Floyd would not cats
out when he was fighting at the lower weights, but
as he moved up, he had to outbox him.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
He didn't really knock guys out like that, Manny.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Some of the circumstantial evidence for him being on PDS
was at all those weight.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Classes he moved up. I think he started like one twelve.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
He moved up to like he was knocking out middle weights.
And that is what made you be like, usually dude's
power does not go up with them like that. And
so and you saw it with Crawford, You've seen it
with Floyd Roy Jones when he was up to heavyweight,
won the championship. His you know, he didn't knock Rui's out, Sugar, right,
(32:05):
Leonards power came went up with him. He knocked out
Donnie Laline I think was light heavyweight, so his power
you know, went up. But yeah, I mean so I
think that's that's kind of a summary, rob Gen. Do
you want to defend yourself from accusations of yellow fever?
Speaker 10 (32:21):
Well, first off, Canelo Alvarez has not fought at one
fifty four in eleven years.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
So that's one, I get it.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
Number two, if you want to play that game about
whether or not he should fight him, just to fight him,
even though, like I said, he can make all the
same money fighting these other dudes, and if he beats
a guy like Benafitaz should be a better fight because
they're the same size. You know, that's probably even more
lucrative than the Crawford fight. But if you go by
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weight classes, Jervonte Davis is like the biggest knockout artist
that there is. Everybody loves watching Gervontay Davis. He's one
hundred three five pounds. That's the equivalent of tank moving
down to fight anyway at aboutamweight at one eighteen or
moving up to fight Crawford at one fifty four. Like
it's cool to say, hey, the best guys are fighting
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each other because they're the names and the pound for
pound lists and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
But I think.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
The difference is and I hear you, and you're you're right.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I mean, look, logic would tell you that going down
to one fifty four would likely hurt Canelo. So I'm
if it doesn't happen for that reason, you won't get
a hear a peep out of me.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I think part of the difference, and it may not.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
It's legitimate, but it just may not be appropriate at
this time. The reason that people even connected Canelo and
Crawford is because Canelo fought at one fifty four at
one time.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
You see what I'm saying, and that Crawford is so
impressive against Spence, right, so when you have that kind
of performance, it's like, hey, this guy's that good. I
would love to see him go up and fight Canelo,
go down and fight Tank, whoever, whatever, the biggest star
there is. I would love to see it. And then
Crawford follows that up with the lackluster performance relatively, and
(34:08):
then suddenly the appeal of Canelo having to cut weight
to make that fight, or someone moving up to that fight,
it loses a lot of that luster.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I think for that again, because if Conelo came down
that much, he probably loses some strength. And so if
that's if that's true, and that's the reason it doesn't happen,
I'm totally cool with that.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
And I don't think Crawford should move up.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I mean, one fifty four might be a stretch, but
that it would have to be at least at that weight,
So it may. I get that, and I agree with that.
I just don't I if the weight wasn't the issue,
like if Canelo's like, look I can get down, that's
no problem, then I think they should do it.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
But it probably is an issue. All right, A couple.
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Speaker 1 (35:13):
Martin Weiss is in for Rob Parker, and we get
back to some Team USA five on five men's basketball Tomorrow, Martin, Team.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
USA taking on Brazil is do or die.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Now, the Team USA the number one seed after they're
going through the preliminary round three and ohero Brazil's in trouble.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Do you see anything that is worrying you?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
And I know Brazil is not gonna be that much
comp I don't think, but you know it's.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
About winning goal.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, Germany, Canada, Australia, those are some of the top
top teams competition. We'll see if France, you know, is dangerous.
But anything to worry about.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
No, I do not save Steve Current his rotations. I
don't see anything to worry about from the players on
the court. Quite honestly, I think that the Brazil like
to spread tomorrow or not a gambler, Chris, But the
scred is minus twenty seven and a half. I think
I would take that, I think, and even the United
States hasn't come close to covering any spread so far this,
(36:27):
you know, especially in the tournament games. But I really don't.
I Okay, Brazil offensive rebounds a little bit better and
the United States doesn't grab as many offensive rebounds, and
they do shoot a nice clip from three, but at
the end of the day, the talent is going to
win out. They only have one NBA player on the
roster right now, and he's the other guy who was
the fifty fifth overall pick a few years ago. That's
(36:49):
the only reason anybody know Gi Santos's name because they
were looking up fifty fifth overall picks to either make
or discredit to Brownie argument a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Well, and you said, like when you're over matched, and
you saw it with Puerto Rico a few days ago
when Team USA played them. Puerto Rico hung around for
the better part of the first half and then USA
just pulled away.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I play, you know, again, not this level, but in
college there were oftentimes we were overmatched and we can
hang around for you know, fifteen to twenty minutes of
the game or something, and then gradually that team just
pulls away. And that is what you see in some
of these games with Team USA is I mean, they're
(37:34):
just hitting you. You can't keep up with what they've got.
And I actually thought, I'm want to credit because I've
been hard on him. Joe l Embiid, who hasn't been
especially impressive in these games.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
I thought he.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Played better against Puerto Rico, and I thought he played
inside more.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
And somebody, Martin has got to get it into his head.
I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I'm serious, and I don't mean just for Team USA,
but I mean for his career for the Philadelphia seventy
six ers. Somebody's gotta get through to him on the
importance and the benefit of him playing inside more.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Again, I don't want to take away his.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Mid range shooting, because he's truly great at that, but
he should be making Hay down on the block, and
that's a huge advantage for him that really hardly anybody
else in the NBA has. And I just hope somebody,
somebody gotta be honest with him. Nick Nurse, you know,
used to be Doc Rivers's coach. I mean, you was
(38:39):
talking some of that, But somebody, Martin gotta tell him
the truth. Like, dude, if you want to win the championship,
you're gonna have to go down low a little more.
You're not gonna win it if you don't.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
It's the same conversation that Anthony Edwards had with clar
Anthony Towns. You gotta stop effing Fouler. You gotta go
aff and post up.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Now, look being honest. You're a coach, coachsh You're a manager. Manager.
You can't be afraid to tell guys the truth. All Right,
we out, We'll see all tomorrow. Good yoll Martin push
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That's your old stumping grounds, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Iowa Mafia for all those in Iowa. I went to
Dowling High School. I know y'all know about Dowling sports dominance.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
That's right, especially recently.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I was about to say when that happened in nineteen
sixty five after you graduated.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Oh no, we were really good when I was there.
We'd make state and things like that, but we didn't
win state. Now they be winning state a lot. So yes,
all right, let's get right into it, Martin weiss Eliman. Now,
of course, this weekend they inducted the new Hall of
(01:53):
Fame class of twenty twenty four, and that was spectacular.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Well, the class of twenty twenty five, of course, is next.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Year, and one of the biggest names in that class,
of course, is Eli Manning. And the question is Martin
and Rob and I have talked about this a lot
on this show. We had Rob Woodson, the great, one
of the greatest defensive backs ever, to say that Eli
(02:21):
Manning is not a Hall of Famer. So there is
some debate on him. Where do you stand on it
with Eli?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
As far as him being a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
If you had asked me the year after he retired,
I would have said absolutely not. However, as I've thought
about it, put some seasoning on it and put it
in the oven. I go back to like when I
forget who was the first person I heard say it?
But it's not an unpopular phrase. If you can't if
you can tell the story of whatever sport without said
(02:56):
athlete involved in that story, they're probably not a Hall
of Famer, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
If you well, I mean, if you could tell a
little much.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
If you can tell I can tell the story of
basketball without talking about Damian Lillard.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well, I mean, the Basketball Hall of Fame has a
ton of people.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Okay, let's say football. Lillard though in any by any measure,
would be a Hall of Famer Football.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I can tell the story of football the NFL without
talking about uh.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Who I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I'm just trying to think of a guy, Rob g
jump in, Martin jump in. You know there's a guy
you can tell the story of football. Andre Johnson just
got ink he ain't getting he ain't in my story
about the NFL.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
No, no slight on Andre. Sure, but you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
So I'm just I'm not I know that's you didn't
come up with that saying. So I'm not jumping on you,
but I'm just saying that I agree with I.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Mean Andre Jonson too. I mean, I'm not about to
say that in the story of football, but you know, yeah,
but of the game. But the thing is, though, Chris,
if in fact that is your margin of in or out,
you can't tell the story of NFL football without Eli
Manning because you're telling the story of Tom Brady who
(04:23):
failed him twice. That's Eli Manning in the biggest moment
in the biggest game, right, So when you're talking about
him in that manner and he was crazy hot through
those playoff runs and the Hall of Fame. There are
people who have Hall of Fame careers, and there are
people that have Hall of Fame moments inside of careers
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that are good enough for them to be able to
maintain those Hall of Fame moments. That Eli Manning to
me falls into the second category. I think I have
come to the resignation that he will get in and
so that's why. But you can't tell the story of
the NFL Super Bowl history without mentioning Eli Mann, and
for that reason, I think he's got to qualify.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Can you tell the story without mentioning David Tyree?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, but again, David Tyree didn't have the NFL career
that like.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
But but if you still criterias, you can't tell the story.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
That's what I'm saying, Like that's.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Bogus, But that criteria you still have, I can't tell
you without David Tyree.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You still have to be on a baseline, Like, at
the end of the day, was the starting quarterback in
the NFL for over ten years. It's not like he
was just out there. That's a pretty low baseline. But
I'm just I just don't have the number on top
I have it. I know he played ten probably fifteen
years he played as a starting quarter play he played
I think at least fifteen it never barely ever missed
a game. You know, had the starting street Like, he's
(05:46):
tough as nails. So all of these things play into
the ability like after the fact, right, Like if David
Tyree had been to the NFL for fifteen years and
had that same helmet catch, we'd be having a different
conversation about him too.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Overall, even though I just demolished your criteria. I do
tend to agree with you that Eli Manning is a
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
He was.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
He had two remarkable playoff runs. Two remarkable playoff runs.
He was only a four time a Pro Bowler. He
never wasn't All Pro ever, not second team. I mean,
I don't even know if they have second team all
his years, but he never made All Pro.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
He's a five hundred quarterback for his career.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
However, because he did play fifteen seasons, he is in
the top ten in passing touchdowns and in passing yards.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I don't know how long that'll last because obviously guys
are throwing her yards now right I'm looking at passing
yards career.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Right now, Eli is tenth.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay, and Matthew Stafford's gonna passing this season, but he
is tenth right now, and he's got He's only two
thousand behind Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
So there you have that passing touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Eli is.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Tenth in passing touchdowns too.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Again, Matthew Stafford should passing Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
I mean, he'd have to have a really good year.
Russell Wilson's thirty two behind Eli.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
However, look, he retired Martin in the top ten in passing, touchdowns,
and yards. He's got two tremendous runs to the Super
Bowl that ended in victory.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
He beat the eighteen and oh New England Patriots. That
I mean, everybody.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Thought they were gonna win that game and they would
have gone down as the greatest team ever.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
And then he beat the Patriots again. So he beat
Brady twice. And it is true.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That his regular season career, let's just keep I mean,
he's five hundred quarterback. It was I wouldn't say mediocre,
but it was like good, but not great, not Hall
of Fame worthy. But when you factor in the two championships.
And look, I'm not saying this, I'm not saying just
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because you win two Super Bowls you are in the
Hall of Fame. Jim Plunkett won two Super Bowls and
never made it.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
It is not a Hall of Famer. But yet he
didn't have as.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Good of a career as Eli man And ironically his
record in the regular season was five hundred as well,
but he never made a Pro Bowl. Even so, he
was not quite what Eli Manny was. And throw this
into is a factor Martin, the fact that Eli played
(09:05):
in New York. And I'm not saying that should be
a factor in terms of voters looking at that and saying,
you know what, he played New York, let's put him
in unless that gives him a few extra points. No,
I'm saying during the time when he was winning Super
Bowls and in the celebration, the post celebration, and even
(09:28):
the years following, everything in done in New York is
magnified everything. Right, you win in New York, it's magnified,
and it seems better than ever.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
You lose in New York, it's magnified. It seems like
the worst thing we've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I mean, to your point, if you pulled who has
the worst contract in the NFL, I think a lot
of people say, Daniel Jones. Yeah, and it's not forty million,
like it's it's not the worst quarterback contract now there.
But a lot of people will say.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So Isaiah Thomas, the GM, A lot of people think
he was the worst GM in the history of league.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
He wasn't.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I mean, his draft record was actually really good, but
because it was in New York and it didn't work out,
it you know, was magnified.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
And so I do think that's a factor.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I mean, if Eli Manning Martin does what he did
playing for the Seattle Seahawks, is it is he a
Hall of Famer. I think that's a fair question. I'm
not saying he definitely wouldn't be, but I definitely think.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
He gets a booshe for doing it in New York.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I think so too. Also, he also gets a booshe
for being a Manning. Right when you consider that Peyton
man like, you know, he gets a little bit of
a boos from that that he comes from quote unquote
good stock, right in terms of good quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
But yeah, I'm just he run. I mean, he's super
let's put it. Let's face it. And it's interesting Martin
because when we think of Peyton, I mean, Peyton obviously
is one of the best quarterbacks we've ever seen, like
one of the top five. Right when we talk about
him and think about him as a two time Super
Bowl champion.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
We really, like, I don't hear people be littling. I don't.
I never hear it. Yeah, but the second one, I mean,
you might hear it, but it doesn't seem to stick.
Are you with me on that? Like, I think we
just think of Peyton.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
As a two time Super Bowl champion, regardless how poorly
he played that last season they won.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Part of the reason why it doesn't stick, like criticism
of that second of that Denver super Bowl wouldn't stick
in the same way is a he didn't even win
the MVP of that game. But also he had an
incredible Like if he never went to that Super Bowl,
he would still be in the Hall of Fame, right,
if he never went to that foot ball he would
(11:52):
still be considered in the Hall of Fame because what
was his biggest problem not being able to beat Tom Brady,
which is true for almost everybody who played in the
AFC the entire time he was there, Right, It's true
for everybody that you know. It's like saying, oh, you know, well,
Carl Malone never won a championship. For John Stocker never
won a championship. Well, that's because they were playing against
Michael Jordan. He wasn't really giving him out, right, So
(12:15):
when that's part of the reason why I think it
makes the argument for Eli to be in because when
you look at why do people not you know, because
the career that Peyton had kept bumping his head against Tom, Well,
Eli didn't have hell of them. I mean, even closer
to the regular season career that Peyton Manning had. But
when you go up into the biggest moments, he had
some big time hall of Fame moments that throw them
(12:37):
Manning him, Like you said, to catch the tyree catch,
those things are in are just burned into NFL history.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Right, No, I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
And the fact that his two like you said, he's
a Manning and his two Super Bowl wins were more
impressive than Peyton's, especially the second one, you know, second one,
So I think that does give him a little bit
of a boost. So yeah, we agree. We think he
will be a Hall of Famer and is a Hall
(13:09):
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(14:38):
manning a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Your thoughts, Let's go to Jabbari in Michigan coming from
the Minton How you doing, man, You're on the I Couple.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
Well for everybody, how y'all doing on this magical or
magic city? Monday? Don good, done good, done, good good.
I just want this place. It's time to cool down
right now. It's just still getting high.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I feel you on that, bro.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
But overall, yeah, yeah, what I question, I do believe
that man is a Hall of Famer. I mean I
get the part with you're saying, Chris about New York
because I mean, just for any sport. You know a
lot of the New Ord athletes they get they get
treated like they are superstar already. You know our Live
Jalen Brumson. You know what I'm saying. So I get
with the same. But to me, the reason why I
think it's all of Famer, it's not just because that
(15:23):
he is, not just because he beat Tom you know
Tom Brady in the Super Bowl twice. You though they
were magical. But also let's not forget about the time
when he did goes well on his way to Super Bowl.
He beat the Dallas Cowboys who were the number one
seed in the in and like in the divisional round,
then he beat Red Spark and the Green Bay Packers.
Those me were very special. That lead up to its
(15:45):
way to go against the Patriots that were a ten
to oh. Because like I said, Eli, Manny and the
and the Giants, they were always the underdog and for
them to start and ended the way how it ended,
that was special. And he was He was a Super
Bowl MVP and the Super Bowl ev P in two
thousand and twenty eleventh season. You know, only six players
in the NFL history were able to win Super Bowl EVP. So, like,
(16:08):
like I said, only six players to do that, and
they're all Hall of famous yeah too, like Patch my homes.
So to me, you know, Ali Man, although his career
it wasn't like it wasn't like great regular season wise,
we look at his numbers, he still had a decent
a decent regular season and then had a great postseason
one of those two posters in years and be one
and be one of the main reasons why they won
(16:30):
Super Bowl. So to me, you know who he beat
and they on his way to Super Bowl. I believe, yes,
he is a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Okay, okay, cool, all right, all good points from Jabari
Mark in Oregon. You're up next on the couple on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Well, I'm not gonna make exceruses for you like Man,
and I will say the Giants didn't have a great
offensive line every year he was there, and so some
of those stats don't tell the whole story. But my
main point is this. I've been a fan of the
New York Giants all my life. I used to listen
(17:04):
to their games back in the early nineteenth nineteenth sixty
in my dad's shop on an old German tabletop radio.
We all our hearts were broken with Johnny united to
speak the Giants for the second year in a row.
Eli Manny has reversed that history, beating Tom Brady twice,
(17:26):
and that he is one of New York's greatest, their
most heroic athletes ever, along with that entire team. So
that's how I feel about it. New Yorkers feel that
way as well.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, that's that's fair.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I mean it's true. I mean what he did.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I mean, that's one of the greatest upsets in Super
Bowl history. One of Yeah, you know, so remember when
Brady laughed when they told him to score. I think
was it Plexico Berbers that predicted yep, And he laughed,
you know, and we all laughed.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I mean we thought, yeah, okay, they're gonna wax.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
That was truly one of those nobody believes in us moments.
Let's go to Brian from Tennessee. You're on the couple
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
Bonzero made me kamasa bah, what's up?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Come?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Where are you from?
Speaker 8 (18:21):
I'm well, I'm in Tennessee now.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
But that was French.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I believe what Martin knows.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I hear that Louisiana right now.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
It's French French Canadian, right, Yeah, that's from these four.
But I agree with you, guys. I mean, guys have
all made the points already about why you I should
be in inspect of that last caller talking about United
and that, and he's still a Guians fan. But I agree.
(18:51):
I mean, he'd be Brady Toy. Why not. I mean,
my favorite team is the Dolphins. Marino's in there. You
never one one. I know, he had a lot of records, right,
he got three Super Bowls. I go, he belans from
man Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And Marinos better than Eli Manning. But I get what
he's saying. I mean, especially nowadays where we put so
much emphasis on Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
You know, I mean even more than we did back then.
So yeah, like I said, I'm good with it. I
get it.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
He was not one of I mean, he was not
one of the all time great quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
But had I mean, he had all time great moments.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, and again when he retired he was a top
ten in passing yards and passing touchdown and still is
for a while.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Minnesota. I'm sorry, Paul and Minnesota, you're on the eye
couple of statue case.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
Oh my god, hey guy, how you doing.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Good? Good? Good man?
Speaker 9 (19:54):
I can't believe what I'm hearing. I mean, don't well.
And this is not a personal knock on Eli Manning.
I mean, uh and and I'm not gonna not acknowledge
that he had a cinderelatives season. But with these mediocre
numbers over the body of the whole work like, it
(20:17):
absolutely dilutes the integrity of the Hall of Fame. I mean,
this is supposed to be the best of the best.
And when we when we when we induct a quarterback
who averaged two hundred and thirty seven yards a game,
I believe, led the league three times in interceptions. Yeah,
(20:38):
ever has been the first team All All Pro and
and and you know that's the only thing, that's the
only argument all of your callers are making those two
years where they beat New England and Tom Brady and
and I will argue it's a team sport. You know,
there's twenty two men on the field. There there are
(21:01):
so many variables that you have to take under consideration.
And so I'm not arguing the fact that you know,
the stars didn't line those two years. But when you know,
bring it back to the big pincher, he's a mediocre quarterback.
And when you put mediocre quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame,
it dilutes the integrity of the Hall of Fame. And
(21:21):
the last thing I will say is, yes, he has
these stats, but this next generation of quarterbacks in this
pass happy league, he's going to be buried in the
twenties and thirties. In twenty years.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, no, d Look, and I think the thing is,
you compare his numbers to the guys today and they
don't stack up. And we know we Rob and I
talk about this all the time. The numbers are inflated today.
Eli Manny he averaged two hundred and forty one point
six yards per game. That's twenty first all time. That's
(21:55):
not bad. Guess who he's in front of. And I
know this quarterback was better, way.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Better than Eli Manning.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Brett farv right, Brett farv two hundred thirty seven point
nine yards a game, Dan fouts two thirty.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Seven point eight.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
So I hear what he's saying, but I think you
have to You can't compare his numbers to the numbers
today because it's a different era. But I think Eli
was better than mediocre. And I hear what he's saying
because we've talked about that Martin. Obviously, he wasn't phenomenal
in the regular season, but I think he was good enough,
(22:31):
good in the regular season and then had two heroic
postseason runs. I think we'll get him. I think he
was good enough in the regular season. But you know,
a five hundred record is still tough to overcome. But
you overcome that with two of the most iconic Bowl
wins in NFL hit.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, I mean, let's face it, Joe Namath and I know,
I believe he was the first player to throw for
four for four thousand yards. But Joe Namath, outside of
that Super in uh, you know that he predicted in
nineteen sixty nine for the Jets their only Super Bowl,
and of course it was the AFL beating the NFL.
(23:11):
I mean, that was that was really the highlight of
his career. His four thousand yard seasons of course were
you know with the AFL he was the first to
throw for four thousand. In the NFL he never even
threw for three thousand, right, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
And he's got.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Fifty rough almost fifty more interceptions than touchdowns. Again, different era,
but rob Gie, what were you saying? Nameth is one
of how many quarterbacks?
Speaker 10 (23:41):
So with Eli Manning, regardless whatever what happens, if he
gets in or if he doesn't, he's gonna be making
history or he'd be part of history because if he
does get in, he'll be one of only two other
quarterbacks a total of three that will be in the
Hall of Fame that have do you don't have a
winning record as a starter, it'll be Eli Namath, Sonny
(24:04):
Jergensen name.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
It was sixty two, sixty three, and four.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Correct.
Speaker 10 (24:08):
If he doesn't get in, he'll join Jim Plunkett as
the only quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl wins that are
not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, there you have it, there, you have it, so
all right?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
In fact, after nineteen sixty nine, name youth played till
nineteen seventy seven. He only made one Pro Bowl after
nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I mean, yeah, again, a career that was good enough
with a Hall of Fame moment.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah right, well.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
Chris the piggyback off that after winning at second Super Bowl.
You know what Eli Manning's record was as a starter,
not good? Forty eight and sixty seven. That's raider numbers
right there, baby.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
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Speaker 4 (25:02):
It's the eye couple of Christmas.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Martin Weis is in for Rob Parker and Martin jump
in here.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You're of that generation.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Like Rob g where it's all about just keep your
undefeated record, don't fight the big fights unless the money
is humongous. And this money will be really good. It
won't break records. But I think, and again his legacy
as great as it is. But Condelo Alvarez, if he
(25:37):
were to fight Terrence Crawford and beat him, and I'm
not saying he would, I would be pulling for Crawford,
and I think Crawford could get him at one fifty four.
I think that'd be a great fight if Cornelo could
win it. For his legacy. Now he has obviously gotten
a lot bigger. He fights at one sixty eight now
(26:00):
now he fought Floyd.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
At one fifty four. What one fifty four.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
So that's a different He might just be too big
now to get down there and keep his strength. So
I get it if he doesn't want to fight because
of the weight, I won't get it if he really,
if he could get down to one fifty four, knows
he be at the top of his game, really would
like to fight Crawford because he is regarded as the
(26:27):
best pound for pound fighter in boxing, but doesn't want
to take the risk of losing that I would, I
wouldn't love that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, I'm with you, though, Chris. I want to see
the like you said, I want to see the best
guys fight, like I think, and that's ultimately what this
hindered boxing going forward. Like I remember, I remember when
Canelo and Floyd Mayweather were fighting. But part of this,
I think is Floyd Mayweather's fault. Like if you start
like picking and choosing who you play. I put it
(26:58):
like this, when you look at the best teams in
team sport history, there is an understanding that they did
not both build their own schedule, and if they did,
like if they somehow were able to, they still knock
down the toughest guys along our toughest teams along the way,
because there's a playoff structure that exists where you're gonna
(27:19):
end up having to qualify and then win going forward
and four There's none of that in the same way
in boxing, So it's it's dependent upon the participants to
want to have the challenge. I think, like what he says,
Canelo's got nothing to lose, well, I mean nothing to
gain from the fight? Well, I mean how about a
win over Terrence Croft?
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Right?
Speaker 9 (27:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I mean, come on, Like, what is I don't understand
he says you had nothing to gain from that. You
have to gain as a win and the money that
you get from fighting. But all this posturing to me
about oh, we got to make sure the money is right,
We got to make sure this is right. You got
to make sure that is right. It sounds to me
like like you said, little yellow fever. It sounds a
little chicken bleep.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
And I think I'm not saying Canelos a frame.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I'm saying rob G's logic is indicative of yellow fever.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Obviously Rob G's not fighting, he's not scared.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
But to go to Mayweather, and you are absolutely right, Martin,
this is Floyd Mayweather's fault.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Now, if I had a nephew.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
That wanted to get into boxing, it was really good,
young prodigy whatever, I would give him the Floyd Mayweather
blueprint because Floyd Mayweather's made more money than any boxer
in history. Floyd Mayweather is not going to be punched
drunk because he didn't take a lot of punishment. He
(28:41):
was smart from a business standpoint. I would tell anybody
that's how you should do it, because he's gonna be fine,
his health is fine and all that, and he made
tons of money and he is one of the greatest
ever wherever you're ranking. All right, But and what Floyd
did because of his fights were so I mean when
(29:02):
he moved up, you know, and was fighting at the
welterweight level and all that, because he started the lower weights,
he would actually knock guys out lower weights. When he
moved up to the welterweight his fights were most of
them were terribly boring. And what he knew that and
that's why occasionally he would say, you know what, he
(29:22):
would engage more because he wanted to get the fans
what they wanted.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
But Floyd knew.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Martin how boring a lot of his fights were, and
he heard the noise, and so the way he sold
his fights was the talk right the pre fight hype
and all to talk about the money team and being undefeated.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
That was all the talk. Him being undefeated, never losing,
that was the selling point.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
So some people tuned in to see if he would
remain undefeated. Others tuned in to see if he would
get beat knowing it wasn't non be a good fight,
He wasn't gonna be exciting, but we just want to
see whether or not he can keep the zero on
his record. Before that, it wasn't a big deal. Sugar
Ray Leonard lost, Sugar Ray Robinson lost, Muhammad Ali lost.
(30:13):
It wasn't that big of a deal. To lose, you
would have to come back from it and win. And
so I think for from a business standpoint, for the
boxer's health, Floyd is the blueprint. But from a fan standpoint,
from the standpoint of what's good for the sport, Floyd.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Was not good. To your point, he wasn't good, and look.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
And he he didn't fight Manny for years. That fight happened,
I don't know, six seven, eight years after it should
have happened, right, and.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
He but he talked about pachy isl.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And was he on performance and hands and drugs and
all that. Here's what I say, you saw craft for
Saturday night. First time he did not not somebody out
in eight years. It was because he moved up in
wait the power And I'm not saying he can't knock
anybody out at one fifty four, but obviously the power
(31:12):
didn't come up with him. And that usually is what
happens in boxing. Like I said, Floyd would not cats
out when he was fighting at the lower weights, but
as he moved up, he had to outbox him.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
He didn't really knock guys out like that, Manny.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Some of the circumstantial evidence for him being on PDS
was at all those weight.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Classes he moved up. I think he started like one twelve.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
He moved up to like he was knocking out middle weights.
And that is what made you be like, usually dude's
power does not go up with them like that. And
so and you saw it with Crawford, You've seen it
with Floyd Roy Jones when he was up to heavyweight,
won the championship. His you know, he didn't knock Rui's out, Sugar, right,
(32:05):
Leonards power came went up with him. He knocked out
Donnie Laline I think was light heavyweight, so his power
you know, went up. But yeah, I mean so I
think that's that's kind of a summary, rob Gen. Do
you want to defend yourself from accusations of yellow fever?
Speaker 10 (32:21):
Well, first off, Canelo Alvarez has not fought at one
fifty four in eleven years.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
So that's one, I get it.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
Number two, if you want to play that game about
whether or not he should fight him, just to fight him,
even though, like I said, he can make all the
same money fighting these other dudes, and if he beats
a guy like Benafitaz should be a better fight because
they're the same size. You know, that's probably even more
lucrative than the Crawford fight. But if you go by
(32:50):
weight classes, Jervonte Davis is like the biggest knockout artist
that there is. Everybody loves watching Gervontay Davis. He's one
hundred three five pounds. That's the equivalent of tank moving
down to fight anyway at aboutamweight at one eighteen or
moving up to fight Crawford at one fifty four. Like
it's cool to say, hey, the best guys are fighting
(33:10):
each other because they're the names and the pound for
pound lists and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
But I think.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
The difference is and I hear you, and you're you're right.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I mean, look, logic would tell you that going down
to one fifty four would likely hurt Canelo. So I'm
if it doesn't happen for that reason, you won't get
a hear a peep out of me.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I think part of the difference, and it may not.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
It's legitimate, but it just may not be appropriate at
this time. The reason that people even connected Canelo and
Crawford is because Canelo fought at one fifty four at
one time.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
You see what I'm saying, and that Crawford is so
impressive against Spence, right, so when you have that kind
of performance, it's like, hey, this guy's that good. I
would love to see him go up and fight Canelo,
go down and fight Tank, whoever, whatever, the biggest star
there is. I would love to see it. And then
Crawford follows that up with the lackluster performance relatively, and
(34:08):
then suddenly the appeal of Canelo having to cut weight
to make that fight, or someone moving up to that fight,
it loses a lot of that luster.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I think for that again, because if Conelo came down
that much, he probably loses some strength. And so if
that's if that's true, and that's the reason it doesn't happen,
I'm totally cool with that.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
And I don't think Crawford should move up.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I mean, one fifty four might be a stretch, but
that it would have to be at least at that weight,
So it may. I get that, and I agree with that.
I just don't I if the weight wasn't the issue,
like if Canelo's like, look I can get down, that's
no problem, then I think they should do it.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
But it probably is an issue. All right, A couple.
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Speaker 4 (35:08):
All Right, it is the odd couple. Chris Bruce Haard.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Martin Weiss is in for Rob Parker, and we get
back to some Team USA five on five men's basketball Tomorrow, Martin, Team.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
USA taking on Brazil is do or die.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Now, the Team USA the number one seed after they're
going through the preliminary round three and ohero Brazil's in trouble.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Do you see anything that is worrying you?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
And I know Brazil is not gonna be that much
comp I don't think, but you know it's.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
About winning goal.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, Germany, Canada, Australia, those are some of the top
top teams competition. We'll see if France, you know, is dangerous.
But anything to worry about.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
No, I do not save Steve Current his rotations. I
don't see anything to worry about from the players on
the court. Quite honestly, I think that the Brazil like
to spread tomorrow or not a gambler, Chris, But the
scred is minus twenty seven and a half. I think
I would take that, I think, and even the United
States hasn't come close to covering any spread so far this,
(36:27):
you know, especially in the tournament games. But I really don't.
I Okay, Brazil offensive rebounds a little bit better and
the United States doesn't grab as many offensive rebounds, and
they do shoot a nice clip from three, but at
the end of the day, the talent is going to
win out. They only have one NBA player on the
roster right now, and he's the other guy who was
the fifty fifth overall pick a few years ago. That's
(36:49):
the only reason anybody know Gi Santos's name because they
were looking up fifty fifth overall picks to either make
or discredit to Brownie argument a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Well, and you said, like when you're over matched, and
you saw it with Puerto Rico a few days ago
when Team USA played them. Puerto Rico hung around for
the better part of the first half and then USA
just pulled away.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I play, you know, again, not this level, but in
college there were oftentimes we were overmatched and we can
hang around for you know, fifteen to twenty minutes of
the game or something, and then gradually that team just
pulls away. And that is what you see in some
of these games with Team USA is I mean, they're
(37:34):
just hitting you. You can't keep up with what they've got.
And I actually thought, I'm want to credit because I've
been hard on him. Joe l Embiid, who hasn't been
especially impressive in these games.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
I thought he.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Played better against Puerto Rico, and I thought he played
inside more.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
And somebody, Martin has got to get it into his head.
I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I'm serious, and I don't mean just for Team USA,
but I mean for his career for the Philadelphia seventy
six ers. Somebody's gotta get through to him on the
importance and the benefit of him playing inside more.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Again, I don't want to take away his.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Mid range shooting, because he's truly great at that, but
he should be making Hay down on the block, and
that's a huge advantage for him that really hardly anybody
else in the NBA has. And I just hope somebody,
somebody gotta be honest with him. Nick Nurse, you know,
used to be Doc Rivers's coach. I mean, you was
(38:39):
talking some of that, But somebody, Martin gotta tell him
the truth. Like, dude, if you want to win the championship,
you're gonna have to go down low a little more.
You're not gonna win it if you don't.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
It's the same conversation that Anthony Edwards had with clar
Anthony Towns. You gotta stop effing Fouler. You gotta go
aff and post up.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Now, look being honest. You're a coach, coachsh You're a manager. Manager.
You can't be afraid to tell guys the truth. All Right,
we out, We'll see all tomorrow. Good yoll Martin push
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