August 10, 2024 • 35 mins
Chris Broussard explains why Eli Manning feels like a lock to make the Pro Football Hall of Fame, tells us why LeBron James isn't the best American-born player in the world right now at his advanced age, and debates whether Team USA basketball should be underdogs against France in the gold medal game on Saturday.
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Let's get right into it, Martin Weiss elimn Now. Of course,
this weekend they inducted the new Hall of Fame class
of twenty twenty four and that was spectacular. Well, the
class of twenty twenty five, of course, is next year,
and one of the biggest names in that class, of
course is Eli Manning. And the question is Martin and
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Rob and I have talked about this a lot on
this show. We had Rod Woodson, the great, one of
the greatest defensive backs ever to say that Eli Manny
is not a Hall of Famer, So there is some
debate on him. Where do you stand on it with
Eli as far as him being a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
If you had asked me the year after he retired,
I would have said absolutely not. However, as I've thought
about it, put some seasoning on it and put it
in the oven. I go back to like when I
forget who was the first person I heard say it?
But it's not an unpopular phrase. If you can't if
you can tell the story of whatever sport without said
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athlete involved in that story, they're probably not a Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
That's ridiculous. If you can, well, I mean, if you
could tell them a little much.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
If you can tell I can tell the story of
basketball without talking about Damian Lillard.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, I mean, the Basketball Hall of Fame has a
ton of people. Okay, let's say football.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Lillard, though in any by any measure, would be a
Hall of Famer Football, I can tell the story of
football the NFL without talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Uh who I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm just trying to think of a guy, Rob g
jump in, Martin jump in. You know there's a guy
you can tell the story of football. Andre Johnson just
got in. He ain't getting he ain't in my story
about the NFL. No, no slight on Andre. Sure, but
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So I'm just I'm not I know that's you didn't
come up with that saying.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So I'm not jumping on you, but I'm just saying
that I agree with I.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Mean Andre too. I mean, I'm not about to say.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
But he ain't getting in the story of football. But
you know of the game.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
But the thing is, though, Chris, if in fact that
is your margin of of in or out, you can't
tell the story of NFL football without Eli Manning because
you're telling the story of Tom Brady who failed him twice.
That's Eli Manning in the biggest moment in the biggest game, right,
So when you're talking about him in that manner, and
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he was crazy hot through those playoff runs and the.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
There are people who have Hall of Fame careers, and
there are people that have Hall of Fame moments inside
of careers that are good enough for them to be
able to maintain those Hall of Fame moments. That Eli
Manning to me falls into the second category. I think
I have come to the resignation that he will get in,
and so that's why. But you can't tell the story
of the NFL Super Bowl history without mentioning Eli Manning,
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And for that reason, I think he's got to qualify.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Can you tell the story without mentioning David Tyree.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, but again, David Tyree didn't have the NFL career
that life.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Butias, you can't tell the story, That's what I'm saying,
Like that's bogus. But use that criteria. You still I
can't tell them without David Tyree.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
You still have to be on a baseline, like at
the end of the day, starting quarterback in the NFL
for over ten years, It's not like he was just
out there.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
That's a pretty low baseline.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
But I'm just I just don't have the number on
top I have it. I know he played ten probably
fifteen years. He played a ton as a starting.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Quarterback, way more than he played I think at least fifteen.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
It never barely ever missed the game. You know, had
the starting street Like, he's tough as nails. So all
of these things play into the ability like after the fact, right,
Like if David Tyree had been to the NFL for
fifteen years and had that same helmet catch, we'd be
having a different conversation about him too.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I overall, even though I just demolished your criteria, I
do tend to agree with you that Eli Manny is
a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
He it was.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
He had two remarkable playoff runs. Two remarkable playoff runs.
He was only a four time All a Pro bowler.
He never wasn't All Pro ever, not second team. I mean,
I don't even know if they have second team all
his years, but he never made All Pro. He's a
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five hundred quarterback for his career. However, because he did
play fifteen seasons. He is in the top ten in
passing touchdowns and in passing yards.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I don't know how long that'll last because obviously guys
are throwing her light yards now right I'm looking at
passing yards career.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Right now, ELI is tenth.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Okay, and Matthew Stafford's going passing this season, but he
is tenth right now, and he's got He's only two
thousand behind Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So there you have that. Passing touchdowns. ELI is tenth
in passing touchdowns too. Again, Matthew Stafford should pass him.
Russell Wilson. I mean, he'd have to have a really
good year. Russell Wilson's thirty two behind Eli.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
However, Look, he retired Martin in the top ten in
passing touchdowns and yards. He's got two tremendous runs to
the Super Bowl that ended in victory. He beat the
eighteen and oher New England Patriots. That I mean, everybody
thought they were gonna win that game and they would
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have gone down as the greatest team ever. And then
he beat the Patriots again, So he beat Brady twice.
And it is true that his regular season career, let's
just get I mean, he's five hundred quarterback, it was
I wouldn't say mediocre, but it was like good, but.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Not great, not Hall of Fame worthy. But when you
factor in the two championships.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And look, I'm not saying this, I'm not saying just
because you win two Super Bowls you are in the
Hall of Fame. Jim Plunkett won two Super Bowls and
never made it.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
It is not a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
But yet he didn't have as good of a career
as Eli man And ironically his record in the regular
season was five hundred as well, but he never made
a Pro Bowl. Even so, he was not quite what
Eli Manny was. And I'm gonna throw this into as
a factor Martin the fact that Eli played New York
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and I'm not saying that should be a factor in
terms of voters looking at that and saying, you know what,
he played New York. Let's put him in less that
gives him a few extra points. No, I'm saying, during
the time when he was winning Super Bowls and in
the celebration, the post celebration, and even the years following,
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everything in done in New York is magnified everything, Right,
you win in New York, it's magnified, and it seems
better than ever. You lose in New York, it's magnified.
It seems like the worst thing we've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I mean, to your point, if you pulled who has
the worst contract in the NFL, I think a lot
of people say, Daniel Jones. Yeah, and it's not forty
million like it. It's not the worst quarterback contract out there.
But a lot of people will say so.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Isaiah Thomas, the GM, A lot of people think he
was the worst GM in the history of league.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I mean, his draft red was actually really good, but
because it was in New York and it didn't work out, it,
you know, was magnified. And so I do think that's
a factor. I mean, if Eli Manning Martin does what
he did.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Playing for this Seattle Seahawks. Is it. Is he a
Hall of Famer? I think that's a fair question.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm not saying he definitely wouldn't be, but I definitely
think he gets a booste for doing it in New York.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I think so too.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Also, he also gets a booshe for being a Manning
Right when you consider that Peyton, like, you know, he
gets a little bit of a boost from that that
he comes from quote unquote good stock, right in terms
of good quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
But yeah, I'm just he run. I mean, he's super.
Let's put it. Let's face it.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And it's interesting, Martin, because when we think of Peyton,
I mean Peyton, obviously he's one of the best quarterbacks
we've ever seen, like one of the top five. Right,
when we talk about him and think about him as
a two time super Bowl champion, we really like, I
don't people be living.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Don't I never hear it?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, but the second one, I mean you might hear it,
but it doesn't seem to stick.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Are you with me on that line?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I think we just think Capeyton as a two time
super Bowl champion, regardless how poorly he played that last
season they won it.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Well, part of the reason why it doesn't stick, like
criticism of that second of that Denver Super Bowl wouldn't
stick in the same way is a he didn't even
win the MVP of that game.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But also he.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Had an incredible like if he never went to that
Super Bowl, he would still be in the Hall of Fame, Right,
if he never went to that foot ball he would
still be considered in the Hall of Fame because what
was his biggest problem not being able to beat Tom Brady,
which is true for almost everybody who played in the
AFC the entire time he was there, Right, It's true
for everybody that you know. It's like saying, oh, you know, well,
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Carl Malone never won a championship. For John Stocker never
won a championship. Well, that's because they were playing against
Michael Jordan. He wasn't really giving him out, right. So
when that's part of the reason why I think it
makes the argument for Eli to be in because when
you look at why do people not you know, because
the career that Peyton had kept bumping his head against
Tom Well, Eli didn't have hell of the I mean
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even closer to the regular season career that Peyton man
he had.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But when you go up into the biggest moments.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
He had some big time Hall of Fame moments that
throw the manning him like you said, to catch the
tyree catch. Those things are in are just burned into
NFL history right now.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And the fact that his two like you said, he's
a Manning and his two Super Bowl wins were more impressive.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Than Peyton's, especially the second one.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
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Speaker 2 (12:25):
All right, Martin, you mentioned it, Team USA walloped Brazil.
They next up have Serbia, which edged Australia in a
great game.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
It was an overtime game. Patty Mills hit.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
A fifteen footer over sixteen foot maybe over Nikole Jokic,
who defended it about as well as he could, and
the Meals hit it to force overtime. But Serbia prevail
in ot and so they will play the United States
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and the winner will go to the gold medal game
against either Germany or France, which beat Canada. I think
it's gonna be United States against Germany in the final.
And I you know, what was that a four point game?
And exhibition? I get it, it was just an exhibition.
But Germany, you know, will not be easy. So leading
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scores Devin Booker dropped eighteen, Anthony Edwards seventeen off the bench,
Anthony Davis thirteen, Durant eleven, Joe Lmb fourteen, Nbat. I'm
gonna give him credit like I did yesterday. He's played
better the last two games, so good for him play.
I had twelve points and nine assists. But here's the issue.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Obviously, there's not much to say about this.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
They smashed Brazil as we knew they would, Most of
us knew they would, except for.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Rob g.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
But Noah Lyles, who won the one hundred meter gold
medal in the greatest race I've ever seen. He of
course said lash a year ago that the NBA champion,
you know I'm paraphrasing, but wasn't necessarily the world champion
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because you know, it's the league. It's the national championship,
of course, but is it really the world Championship? And
he's gone back and forth with some NBA players about that,
Devin Booker most recently and yesterday, and Booker made a
great point like, look, we got the best players in
the world, in the world. It's not just the best
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American players playing in the NBA, it's the best players
in the world, So it is the world Championship. I
can see both sides, but I do think it's high
time the world has improved enough.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
And I agree with Booker Martin.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Look, we have Nicolea Jokicic in the NBA, Yahni's Anteto
Kumbo Luka Doncis, They're in the NBA, Shay Gilders, Alexander
from Canada. So we do have the best league in
the world, there's no question. But I do think the
world has improved enough where why not have a legitimate
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world championship where the winner of the NBA plays the
winner of the EuroLeague or I don't know how many
if there are any other leagues that are on par
with the euro League, but if there are, you have
around robin tournament or whatever with those teams playing in it,
that would certainly be more of a world championship. I
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think we've eaten enough, humble Pie to not just be
like the NBA. And I agree the NBA is the best,
but I'm just saying, now that they're playing basketball all
over the world, why not just have a world championship,
so to speak. But Rob g Adam Silver said something
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that kind of spoke.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
To maybe this being un work.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Chris, I'm sorry. I know this is inside radio, but
you gotta see you. I gotta tell you. It's a
bird flew with the studio right now and Brian Finley
is under attack.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
It's running over. First of all, how the bird get
it in the studio? I guess it's just somebody held
the door open too long?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
But this thing, wow, diving on at Brian Finley the
same way Team USA we following.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yes, Wow, that is crazy. Well, you know what's worse
is that it. Oh, it's a bat.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
What's worse is that it flew out of the studio
and rather than closing the door behind it, Brian's getting
his phone out of trying to get a video of it.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Leaving the door open so we could come back any morning. Now, Oh, befitting.
All right, that's that.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Now he's he's nervous, he's so scared he stills his
phone out trying to get video of it.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I get it, beefit it.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
But to h to answer your question, and I was
flying in this studio, so we're all gonna get raby.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's out all closed over there. But to answer your question, Chris, Yes.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Adam Silver over the weekend spoke to the Associated Press,
and I'm surprised to get more run because what he
told them is that he is having quote more serious
conversations with Foeba because he's there and obviously he's the
FEBA Basketball about having some sort of USA versus the
World NBA World Cup something of that effect. Nothing is
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in stone, nothing is imminent, it's still no timetable. But
he did say that they have really taken notice about
the globalization of the game and he would like to
see more interaction between America's best and Europe's best.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Quickly before you go Martin, uh huh. What they need
to do, if they're going to do any of this
is at the professional level, standardize the rules. Three point
line is the same, distance, the ball is the same,
the rules are the same.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You know, there's the goaltending.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
There's no defensive three seconds in international play. If you're
gonna start competing like meaningfully outside of the Olympics, outside
of the World Cup and all, you know, the feb
World Cup and all that stuff like onen somewhat of
a regular basis, you gotta to make it fair. You
have to standardize the rules. College can remain a little
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different whatever, but the pros at every level in every
country needs to play the same rules.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I mean, they could play the same rules, they can
play different rules. The fact of the matter is what
we have seen through this international tournament is these other
countries do not have a shot like when the Team
USA is playing at its best. When Team USA players
are locked in, there's no shot. And you know, all
this would do. Chris is honestly strength than Team USA
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shot every single year in the in the Olympics. Because
if you're gonna have these guys actually play together outside
of the Olympics, then the whole trump that we hear
about these international teams will be dead. It wouldn't be
they've been playing together for so long, because you would
have a legit.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Team USA five or five men's team that would go
each summer.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I will say this about the you been playing together
for so long. Oh, Czechoslovakia have been playing together for
so long. Slovenia have been playing together for so long.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I think that's a little overstated. I get it.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Maybe when they were growing up they played together, but
now they all go to their professional leagues and their
professional teams. During the year Nikoli Oaks didn't playing with
these Serbian guys all the time. No, you know so,
I think that needs to stop. That's been an excuse
we've used, but it needs to stop because these got
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Giannis isn't playing.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
With the Greek Greek players a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
No, But I think with the Milwaukee Bucks, and I
don't care that you played together six years ago or
ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
When you're fifteen years old or whatever, things change.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Well, I do think it's a little different than that,
just simply that because I would agree in that regard.
If you're talking about these guys grew up playing together,
it's like we all right, well, I wouldn't put Drew
Joyce on the Olympic team because Lebron's on it right, right,
But I do think like when you see the story
of Dennis Shrewder saying basically as he's like the kind
of the captain of the German team, essentially telling Maxie Kleeber, hey,
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we're good on you, pal, because you didn't play in
the World Cup last summer. I think that's where it
is that the summers that they have played together, Yeah, secutive, I.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Mean I get that, but still it's a full year
in between that. I mean that to me again, I
think we've used that as a bit of an excuse.
I don't want to disregard it completely. But Martin, I
think what what Adam Silver's talking about, and you know,
I think he's.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Just thinking there leaving a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
No, I mean, I'm not saying he may not try
to put something together, but what I'm talking about, and
I think what Adam's talking about, but definitely what I'm
talking about is not sending an All Star team and
All NBA team every year to play the world because again.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's what the Olympics is.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
And yeah, right now, you're right with Lebron and Stephen
kd were beating them up. Let's see four years from
now how it goes. And I think will win, but
I mean it's gonna be tougher. But what I'm actually saying, Martin,
is the NBA champion, all right, they would Boston Celtics
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would play the winner the champion of the EuroLeague in
a series. Come on, you say, come on, but we
never if we had never started sending our pros and
playing against the world, we never thought some of these.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Olympic games would be so close.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
We never thought we'd actually lose with pros against the world.
And I'm not saying we would lose. Believe me, I
think we would win. But I'm just saying the world
has gotten good enough where you can have a literal
world championship. And the thing that those European teams will
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have versus a lot of the NBA teams may be
playing better team basketball depends on which team they play
in the NBA, but it might be playing better team basketball.
And now, look, I'll say this, Martin, we have nothing
to gain from this in the NBA, not a single thing.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But if you want to like.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
To say you're the world champion, now sounds good, Just
like to say you the World Series, you're the world
champion because you won the World Series.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
You ain't playing the best team from Japan.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Well, and the way these Japanese brothers have come over
and I'm in Major League Baseball, and.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
The way they wipe the floor with us in the
Little League World Series.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Who's to say our teams are automatically better than theirs,
but we call them the World champion.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
But that's that's baseball, which is different, which.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Already that is an example of how but the versions
of this in the World Baseball Classic, because when you
look at a baby, but that's not the version.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
They don't send the team. They send all stars. But look,
but that's.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Not a team I want the I'm talking about the
NBA champion versus the euro League champion.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
The EuroLeague champion would lose the way that Brazil just
got pounded into oblivion and it's.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Set back home.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
That happens, then fine, that happens, then fine, I'm cool
with it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Fine, Yeah, I just don't see any need for this.
I see no need.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
For we've had and I don't have the results in
front of me because I know we won most of them.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But rob Gi, you know this, we've played. You used
to play.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
It was something like the McDonald's exhibitions or something, and
we used to send our NBA teams over to play
in Europe. This is decades ago. You remember what I'm
talking about, Roger, You.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Had it right there, Chris.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
The McDonald's championships sometimes called the McDonald's Open International Basketball,
featuring the NBA champion against club teams from Europe and
South America.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And we won the bulk of them. But correct me
if I'm wrong. We didn't win all the time.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I'm sure a lot of our teams weren't.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You know, they're getting in shape because usually it was
before the season, right, and they're just getting in shape
almost like preseason.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
But we didn't win all of them.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I mean, it sounds like you may have some type
of summary there in front of I do, and it
actually it did say that we won all of them.
We did win all of yes, Okay, what a shot, no,
but it stopped. The last one was nineteen ninety nine, So.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Chris, they don't have a chance. They don't have a
chance if we want to put it together.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Nineteen ninety one, the Lakers beat Monegue. I don't know
how to even say this, one sixteen to one fourteen.
Now that was the year that might have been the
magic stop playing. So obviously the Lakers weren't as good.
The Knicks won in nineteen ninety one, seventeen to one.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Oh one.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Six. Nugget.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, I'm not saying again, I would expect us to win.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But what I'm saying, Martin is the other.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Leagues I think have gotten to the point of legitimacy,
at least the euro League, to where it's like they
can rightly say, hey, we want to play y'all.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
We want to play y'all, and if we wipe the
floor with them, so big.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But you know what, as we keep wiping the floor
with them, just like it's happened in international play, maybe
each year they get closer and closer, and then you
really it really becomes a legitimate world chair.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They taking a page of the ice Q's book. Now,
I don't think so. I think you're under Again.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I would expect us to win, but I think it
would be it's it's worth maybe looking into it and
we'll see if Adam Silver is doing that. Let's see
what the listeners think. Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
Would you like to see like a I guess a
literal world Championship where the NBA champion in this case
the Celtics would play the euro League champion in a
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seven game series? I would say, Martin, it certainly should
be more than a one in one game. It would
need it would need to be a serious because it
wouldn't be fair, I mean wanting done who anything can happen,
but it would need to be like a series, which
I think would increase our chances of winning as much
(26:50):
as we already are would win. But I think if
you did it, that have to be how you did it,
and that does complicate it because it would be tougher,
you know, just from a time frame standpoint.
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Speaker 2 (27:19):
Eat from Salam sounded like he was about to say
something incredible, so I'm just gonna I'm just gonna ask you,
are you picking France to beat the United States Saturday
(27:43):
in the gold medal game.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
For men's basketball.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
The one thing I will never do, Okay, whenever the
Olympics come around, I treat the Olympics like the Lakers, right,
or any other team that I follow, Right, I'm in
all in. Whether I'm happy with thinks the way things
are looking, I'm all in. I'm all in on the US.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Did you the.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Predict the Lakers are gonna beat the Nuggets? Of course,
of course you all in. I'm really all in, right, like,
it's not wavering now. What I will say and what
I was alluding to is a lot of people took
a sigh of relief, like we got past Serbia and
Nicola Jokics. It's easy selling now just watching France number one.
(28:34):
There's a home country advantage. That arena, brother, that arena
is gonna sound. This is the first time since ninety six,
since it was in Atlanta, that the host nation is
even gonna medal in the Olympics in basketball, even when
a medal Okay, let alone compete for a gold medal
against the world's best, which the team has led by
(29:00):
a twenty year old kid who just happened to be
the first pick in the draft last year of this
very organization called the NBA. The defensive player of the
Year is also on this team, and so being at
home being able to the thing that us struggled with
outside of Steph with the three point shot right right,
(29:23):
they'll jack him up now, they'll jack him up. Bam
out of Bayu shooting three pointers. He may have shot
three all last year in Miami, all of a sudden
on the world stage, he letting them things go. The
problem with doing that is when you have a seven
to three unicorn, there's not a lot of era area
(29:45):
to get the rebound. Right, he's going to go on misshot.
There will be very few second shot opportunities, is what
I'm saying. On missed long balls. Right, So you say, okay,
well let's go inside out his range and guarding the
rim is crazy.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
It's not like the NBA. For those who don't know
where there's defensive three seconds. You can just stand in
the key. You literally you don't ever have to move right,
you don't have to be near an opponent.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You can just stand there right and.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
They let me ask you this, because again I haven't
seen much of Friends. I haven't been impressed with the scores,
and you know, like all that. Do they We know
they have Win Bayama, who offensively has struggled during the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I know at one point he was four for seventeen
years down here? What he finished? What about around and
go Bear isn't playing much? No? Because so do they.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Have enough around Win Benyama, who's gonna have his imprint
on the game defensively to compete.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
I think they do. In terms of their guard play.
They also have see Victor on their team. Is not
a post player, right, he's a stretch everything, like you know,
so he's always they don't they don't, but they do
have post players. And I can't pronounce his name well
(31:14):
yase yes, Yabuli, Yeah, he's I know, Gershwan Yabaseli, he's
he want all the smoke down low, right, So when
they flash Victor to the high post and he gets
it at seven three and extends his hands up and
just dumps it down high, let's call a high low action.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Right.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
The guard set screens, they pass, Victor flashes, they dump
it to him. He can turn if the defense doesn't
honor it, he just turns and shoots that that short
twelve foot jump shot that he's really good at because
he's shooting down on the rim, or he dumps it
down to the big right.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
That's the issue.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
That's the problem that we're gonna have because if if
Anthony Davis is guarding Victor women Yama, which I would
would say, yeah, then Bam is left to bang down below.
If they go bam and add that's a problem. Also
their guards have like unlike the US when I talked
(32:14):
about last hour about you know, do I take this
shot or do I give it to a staff or
Lebron or Katie. Everybody got the green light. Man, everybody
just going. When you have that type of freedom to go,
you're at home. The crowd, brother, that is that is
danger us.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Imagine if Embiid had played for France, this will be
a real issue right now.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And I like, look, I'm not gonna take anything away
from Embiid. Shoot, after what we saw today, I'm glad
he's playing for US in America.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Well, this is why he was. I told you, this
is why we were there. We needed him for this
for Serbia, right, I got no, like, I'm cool with
what he chose to do. But and again not a criticist.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I mean, and I get maybe it's just like you said,
he's an American now he loves America, but a real
competitive nature. And I'm not saying he's not compet but
you know what I mean, would have been like, man,
I'm going to France and we're going to beat America,
right And like you say, if you're saying like, I mean,
(33:23):
can you imagine him inside and when Mayama.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Outside, no answers with with with bam and ad like
who would have replaced him?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Like?
Speaker 5 (33:34):
What is the other big American big and the NBA
that would have replaced Sam?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Ain't not a big, right? Is not a big? Yeah?
It wasn't in the Miami Sun.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
There is no other big that you would bring and
put on the team from the NBA from America that
would fill that void.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So now we would be really under that the name.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I'm looking at the teams right now, I mean, Brook Lopez,
Miles Turning, They're not I mean, Evan Mobley, Jared Allen,
I mean, but none of them are moving me real talk,
you get what I'm.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Saying, So that that's the issue, that's the problem. H thankfully,
and Be decided to play. He wanted to go medal,
so he was like, look, I'm just gonna join everybody
over here. We're all over here. That's why every time
he touched the ball, the French fans they bull them. Uh,
they yell out Trader, all kinds of all kinds of
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Right, Yeah, I'm just looking at name.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
I mean, it would have to be Cat, I guess,
but you know, no, like it would have been. There
is definitely a lack of size, would be Yeah, there's
a lack of size because biggs aren't trained as bigs anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Right, biggs aren't trained.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
My thing e from and you, like you said you
you coaching a you and all that, and I imagine
you will tell kids this. I'm I'm like, look, it
is not like you can't do both. It's not like
if you work on your three point shot and you handle,
you can also develop a post game.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
You can
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Let's get right into it, Martin Weiss elimn Now. Of course,
this weekend they inducted the new Hall of Fame class
of twenty twenty four and that was spectacular. Well, the
class of twenty twenty five, of course, is next year,
and one of the biggest names in that class, of
course is Eli Manning. And the question is Martin and
(00:57):
Rob and I have talked about this a lot on
this show. We had Rod Woodson, the great, one of
the greatest defensive backs ever to say that Eli Manny
is not a Hall of Famer, So there is some
debate on him. Where do you stand on it with
Eli as far as him being a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
If you had asked me the year after he retired,
I would have said absolutely not. However, as I've thought
about it, put some seasoning on it and put it
in the oven. I go back to like when I
forget who was the first person I heard say it?
But it's not an unpopular phrase. If you can't if
you can tell the story of whatever sport without said
(01:42):
athlete involved in that story, they're probably not a Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
That's ridiculous. If you can, well, I mean, if you
could tell them a little much.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
If you can tell I can tell the story of
basketball without talking about Damian Lillard.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, I mean, the Basketball Hall of Fame has a
ton of people. Okay, let's say football.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Lillard, though in any by any measure, would be a
Hall of Famer Football, I can tell the story of
football the NFL without talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Uh who I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm just trying to think of a guy, Rob g
jump in, Martin jump in. You know there's a guy
you can tell the story of football. Andre Johnson just
got in. He ain't getting he ain't in my story
about the NFL. No, no slight on Andre. Sure, but
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So I'm just I'm not I know that's you didn't
come up with that saying.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So I'm not jumping on you, but I'm just saying
that I agree with I.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Mean Andre too. I mean, I'm not about to say.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
But he ain't getting in the story of football. But
you know of the game.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
But the thing is, though, Chris, if in fact that
is your margin of of in or out, you can't
tell the story of NFL football without Eli Manning because
you're telling the story of Tom Brady who failed him twice.
That's Eli Manning in the biggest moment in the biggest game, right,
So when you're talking about him in that manner, and
(03:15):
he was crazy hot through those playoff runs and the.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
There are people who have Hall of Fame careers, and
there are people that have Hall of Fame moments inside
of careers that are good enough for them to be
able to maintain those Hall of Fame moments. That Eli
Manning to me falls into the second category. I think
I have come to the resignation that he will get in,
and so that's why. But you can't tell the story
of the NFL Super Bowl history without mentioning Eli Manning,
(03:45):
And for that reason, I think he's got to qualify.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Can you tell the story without mentioning David Tyree.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, but again, David Tyree didn't have the NFL career
that life.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Butias, you can't tell the story, That's what I'm saying,
Like that's bogus. But use that criteria. You still I
can't tell them without David Tyree.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
You still have to be on a baseline, like at
the end of the day, starting quarterback in the NFL
for over ten years, It's not like he was just
out there.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
That's a pretty low baseline.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
But I'm just I just don't have the number on
top I have it. I know he played ten probably
fifteen years. He played a ton as a starting.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Quarterback, way more than he played I think at least fifteen.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
It never barely ever missed the game. You know, had
the starting street Like, he's tough as nails. So all
of these things play into the ability like after the fact, right,
Like if David Tyree had been to the NFL for
fifteen years and had that same helmet catch, we'd be
having a different conversation about him too.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I overall, even though I just demolished your criteria, I
do tend to agree with you that Eli Manny is
a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
He it was.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
He had two remarkable playoff runs. Two remarkable playoff runs.
He was only a four time All a Pro bowler.
He never wasn't All Pro ever, not second team. I mean,
I don't even know if they have second team all
his years, but he never made All Pro. He's a
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five hundred quarterback for his career. However, because he did
play fifteen seasons. He is in the top ten in
passing touchdowns and in passing yards.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I don't know how long that'll last because obviously guys
are throwing her light yards now right I'm looking at
passing yards career.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Right now, ELI is tenth.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Okay, and Matthew Stafford's going passing this season, but he
is tenth right now, and he's got He's only two
thousand behind Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So there you have that. Passing touchdowns. ELI is tenth
in passing touchdowns too. Again, Matthew Stafford should pass him.
Russell Wilson. I mean, he'd have to have a really
good year. Russell Wilson's thirty two behind Eli.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
However, Look, he retired Martin in the top ten in
passing touchdowns and yards. He's got two tremendous runs to
the Super Bowl that ended in victory. He beat the
eighteen and oher New England Patriots. That I mean, everybody
thought they were gonna win that game and they would
(06:47):
have gone down as the greatest team ever. And then
he beat the Patriots again, So he beat Brady twice.
And it is true that his regular season career, let's
just get I mean, he's five hundred quarterback, it was
I wouldn't say mediocre, but it was like good, but.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Not great, not Hall of Fame worthy. But when you
factor in the two championships.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And look, I'm not saying this, I'm not saying just
because you win two Super Bowls you are in the
Hall of Fame. Jim Plunkett won two Super Bowls and
never made it.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
It is not a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
But yet he didn't have as good of a career
as Eli man And ironically his record in the regular
season was five hundred as well, but he never made
a Pro Bowl. Even so, he was not quite what
Eli Manny was. And I'm gonna throw this into as
a factor Martin the fact that Eli played New York
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and I'm not saying that should be a factor in
terms of voters looking at that and saying, you know what,
he played New York. Let's put him in less that
gives him a few extra points. No, I'm saying, during
the time when he was winning Super Bowls and in
the celebration, the post celebration, and even the years following,
(08:16):
everything in done in New York is magnified everything, Right,
you win in New York, it's magnified, and it seems
better than ever. You lose in New York, it's magnified.
It seems like the worst thing we've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I mean, to your point, if you pulled who has
the worst contract in the NFL, I think a lot
of people say, Daniel Jones. Yeah, and it's not forty
million like it. It's not the worst quarterback contract out there.
But a lot of people will say so.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Isaiah Thomas, the GM, A lot of people think he
was the worst GM in the history of league.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I mean, his draft red was actually really good, but
because it was in New York and it didn't work out, it,
you know, was magnified. And so I do think that's
a factor. I mean, if Eli Manning Martin does what
he did.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Playing for this Seattle Seahawks. Is it. Is he a
Hall of Famer? I think that's a fair question.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm not saying he definitely wouldn't be, but I definitely
think he gets a booste for doing it in New York.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I think so too.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Also, he also gets a booshe for being a Manning
Right when you consider that Peyton, like, you know, he
gets a little bit of a boost from that that
he comes from quote unquote good stock, right in terms
of good quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
But yeah, I'm just he run. I mean, he's super.
Let's put it. Let's face it.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And it's interesting, Martin, because when we think of Peyton,
I mean Peyton, obviously he's one of the best quarterbacks
we've ever seen, like one of the top five. Right,
when we talk about him and think about him as
a two time super Bowl champion, we really like, I
don't people be living.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Don't I never hear it?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, but the second one, I mean you might hear it,
but it doesn't seem to stick.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Are you with me on that line?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I think we just think Capeyton as a two time
super Bowl champion, regardless how poorly he played that last
season they won it.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Well, part of the reason why it doesn't stick, like
criticism of that second of that Denver Super Bowl wouldn't
stick in the same way is a he didn't even
win the MVP of that game.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But also he.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Had an incredible like if he never went to that
Super Bowl, he would still be in the Hall of Fame, Right,
if he never went to that foot ball he would
still be considered in the Hall of Fame because what
was his biggest problem not being able to beat Tom Brady,
which is true for almost everybody who played in the
AFC the entire time he was there, Right, It's true
for everybody that you know. It's like saying, oh, you know, well,
(10:52):
Carl Malone never won a championship. For John Stocker never
won a championship. Well, that's because they were playing against
Michael Jordan. He wasn't really giving him out, right. So
when that's part of the reason why I think it
makes the argument for Eli to be in because when
you look at why do people not you know, because
the career that Peyton had kept bumping his head against
Tom Well, Eli didn't have hell of the I mean
(11:14):
even closer to the regular season career that Peyton man
he had.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But when you go up into the biggest moments.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
He had some big time Hall of Fame moments that
throw the manning him like you said, to catch the
tyree catch. Those things are in are just burned into
NFL history right now.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And the fact that his two like you said, he's
a Manning and his two Super Bowl wins were more impressive.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Than Peyton's, especially the second one.
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Speaker 2 (12:25):
All right, Martin, you mentioned it, Team USA walloped Brazil.
They next up have Serbia, which edged Australia in a
great game.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
It was an overtime game. Patty Mills hit.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
A fifteen footer over sixteen foot maybe over Nikole Jokic,
who defended it about as well as he could, and
the Meals hit it to force overtime. But Serbia prevail
in ot and so they will play the United States
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and the winner will go to the gold medal game
against either Germany or France, which beat Canada. I think
it's gonna be United States against Germany in the final.
And I you know, what was that a four point game?
And exhibition? I get it, it was just an exhibition.
But Germany, you know, will not be easy. So leading
(13:24):
scores Devin Booker dropped eighteen, Anthony Edwards seventeen off the bench,
Anthony Davis thirteen, Durant eleven, Joe Lmb fourteen, Nbat. I'm
gonna give him credit like I did yesterday. He's played
better the last two games, so good for him play.
I had twelve points and nine assists. But here's the issue.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Obviously, there's not much to say about this.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
They smashed Brazil as we knew they would, Most of
us knew they would, except for.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Rob g.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
But Noah Lyles, who won the one hundred meter gold
medal in the greatest race I've ever seen. He of
course said lash a year ago that the NBA champion,
you know I'm paraphrasing, but wasn't necessarily the world champion
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because you know, it's the league. It's the national championship,
of course, but is it really the world Championship? And
he's gone back and forth with some NBA players about that,
Devin Booker most recently and yesterday, and Booker made a
great point like, look, we got the best players in
the world, in the world. It's not just the best
(14:39):
American players playing in the NBA, it's the best players
in the world, So it is the world Championship. I
can see both sides, but I do think it's high
time the world has improved enough.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
And I agree with Booker Martin.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Look, we have Nicolea Jokicic in the NBA, Yahni's Anteto
Kumbo Luka Doncis, They're in the NBA, Shay Gilders, Alexander
from Canada. So we do have the best league in
the world, there's no question. But I do think the
world has improved enough where why not have a legitimate
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world championship where the winner of the NBA plays the
winner of the EuroLeague or I don't know how many
if there are any other leagues that are on par
with the euro League, but if there are, you have
around robin tournament or whatever with those teams playing in it,
that would certainly be more of a world championship. I
(15:39):
think we've eaten enough, humble Pie to not just be
like the NBA. And I agree the NBA is the best,
but I'm just saying, now that they're playing basketball all
over the world, why not just have a world championship,
so to speak. But Rob g Adam Silver said something
(16:00):
that kind of spoke.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
To maybe this being un work.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Chris, I'm sorry. I know this is inside radio, but
you gotta see you. I gotta tell you. It's a
bird flew with the studio right now and Brian Finley
is under attack.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
It's running over. First of all, how the bird get
it in the studio? I guess it's just somebody held
the door open too long?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
But this thing, wow, diving on at Brian Finley the
same way Team USA we following.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yes, Wow, that is crazy. Well, you know what's worse
is that it. Oh, it's a bat.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
What's worse is that it flew out of the studio
and rather than closing the door behind it, Brian's getting
his phone out of trying to get a video of it.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Leaving the door open so we could come back any morning. Now, Oh, befitting.
All right, that's that.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Now he's he's nervous, he's so scared he stills his
phone out trying to get video of it.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I get it, beefit it.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
But to h to answer your question, and I was
flying in this studio, so we're all gonna get raby.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's out all closed over there. But to answer your question, Chris, Yes.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Adam Silver over the weekend spoke to the Associated Press,
and I'm surprised to get more run because what he
told them is that he is having quote more serious
conversations with Foeba because he's there and obviously he's the
FEBA Basketball about having some sort of USA versus the
World NBA World Cup something of that effect. Nothing is
(17:32):
in stone, nothing is imminent, it's still no timetable. But
he did say that they have really taken notice about
the globalization of the game and he would like to
see more interaction between America's best and Europe's best.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Quickly before you go Martin, uh huh. What they need
to do, if they're going to do any of this
is at the professional level, standardize the rules. Three point
line is the same, distance, the ball is the same,
the rules are the same.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You know, there's the goaltending.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
There's no defensive three seconds in international play. If you're
gonna start competing like meaningfully outside of the Olympics, outside
of the World Cup and all, you know, the feb
World Cup and all that stuff like onen somewhat of
a regular basis, you gotta to make it fair. You
have to standardize the rules. College can remain a little
(18:30):
different whatever, but the pros at every level in every
country needs to play the same rules.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I mean, they could play the same rules, they can
play different rules. The fact of the matter is what
we have seen through this international tournament is these other
countries do not have a shot like when the Team
USA is playing at its best. When Team USA players
are locked in, there's no shot. And you know, all
this would do. Chris is honestly strength than Team USA
(19:00):
shot every single year in the in the Olympics. Because
if you're gonna have these guys actually play together outside
of the Olympics, then the whole trump that we hear
about these international teams will be dead. It wouldn't be
they've been playing together for so long, because you would
have a legit.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Team USA five or five men's team that would go
each summer.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I will say this about the you been playing together
for so long. Oh, Czechoslovakia have been playing together for
so long. Slovenia have been playing together for so long.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I think that's a little overstated. I get it.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Maybe when they were growing up they played together, but
now they all go to their professional leagues and their
professional teams. During the year Nikoli Oaks didn't playing with
these Serbian guys all the time. No, you know so,
I think that needs to stop. That's been an excuse
we've used, but it needs to stop because these got
(19:56):
Giannis isn't playing.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
With the Greek Greek players a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
No, But I think with the Milwaukee Bucks, and I
don't care that you played together six years ago or
ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
When you're fifteen years old or whatever, things change.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Well, I do think it's a little different than that,
just simply that because I would agree in that regard.
If you're talking about these guys grew up playing together,
it's like we all right, well, I wouldn't put Drew
Joyce on the Olympic team because Lebron's on it right, right,
But I do think like when you see the story
of Dennis Shrewder saying basically as he's like the kind
of the captain of the German team, essentially telling Maxie Kleeber, hey,
(20:32):
we're good on you, pal, because you didn't play in
the World Cup last summer. I think that's where it
is that the summers that they have played together, Yeah, secutive, I.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Mean I get that, but still it's a full year
in between that. I mean that to me again, I
think we've used that as a bit of an excuse.
I don't want to disregard it completely. But Martin, I
think what what Adam Silver's talking about, and you know,
I think he's.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Just thinking there leaving a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
No, I mean, I'm not saying he may not try
to put something together, but what I'm talking about, and
I think what Adam's talking about, but definitely what I'm
talking about is not sending an All Star team and
All NBA team every year to play the world because again.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's what the Olympics is.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
And yeah, right now, you're right with Lebron and Stephen
kd were beating them up. Let's see four years from
now how it goes. And I think will win, but
I mean it's gonna be tougher. But what I'm actually saying, Martin,
is the NBA champion, all right, they would Boston Celtics
(21:42):
would play the winner the champion of the EuroLeague in
a series. Come on, you say, come on, but we
never if we had never started sending our pros and
playing against the world, we never thought some of these.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Olympic games would be so close.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
We never thought we'd actually lose with pros against the world.
And I'm not saying we would lose. Believe me, I
think we would win. But I'm just saying the world
has gotten good enough where you can have a literal
world championship. And the thing that those European teams will
(22:22):
have versus a lot of the NBA teams may be
playing better team basketball depends on which team they play
in the NBA, but it might be playing better team basketball.
And now, look, I'll say this, Martin, we have nothing
to gain from this in the NBA, not a single thing.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But if you want to like.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
To say you're the world champion, now sounds good, Just
like to say you the World Series, you're the world
champion because you won the World Series.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
You ain't playing the best team from Japan.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Well, and the way these Japanese brothers have come over
and I'm in Major League Baseball, and.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
The way they wipe the floor with us in the
Little League World Series.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Who's to say our teams are automatically better than theirs,
but we call them the World champion.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
But that's that's baseball, which is different, which.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Already that is an example of how but the versions
of this in the World Baseball Classic, because when you
look at a baby, but that's not the version.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
They don't send the team. They send all stars. But look,
but that's.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Not a team I want the I'm talking about the
NBA champion versus the euro League champion.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
The EuroLeague champion would lose the way that Brazil just
got pounded into oblivion and it's.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Set back home.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
That happens, then fine, that happens, then fine, I'm cool
with it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Fine, Yeah, I just don't see any need for this.
I see no need.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
For we've had and I don't have the results in
front of me because I know we won most of them.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But rob Gi, you know this, we've played. You used
to play.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
It was something like the McDonald's exhibitions or something, and
we used to send our NBA teams over to play
in Europe. This is decades ago. You remember what I'm
talking about, Roger, You.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Had it right there, Chris.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
The McDonald's championships sometimes called the McDonald's Open International Basketball,
featuring the NBA champion against club teams from Europe and
South America.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And we won the bulk of them. But correct me
if I'm wrong. We didn't win all the time.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I'm sure a lot of our teams weren't.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You know, they're getting in shape because usually it was
before the season, right, and they're just getting in shape
almost like preseason.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
But we didn't win all of them.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I mean, it sounds like you may have some type
of summary there in front of I do, and it
actually it did say that we won all of them.
We did win all of yes, Okay, what a shot, no,
but it stopped. The last one was nineteen ninety nine, So.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Chris, they don't have a chance. They don't have a
chance if we want to put it together.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Nineteen ninety one, the Lakers beat Monegue. I don't know
how to even say this, one sixteen to one fourteen.
Now that was the year that might have been the
magic stop playing. So obviously the Lakers weren't as good.
The Knicks won in nineteen ninety one, seventeen to one.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Oh one.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Six. Nugget.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, I'm not saying again, I would expect us to win.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But what I'm saying, Martin is the other.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Leagues I think have gotten to the point of legitimacy,
at least the euro League, to where it's like they
can rightly say, hey, we want to play y'all.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
We want to play y'all, and if we wipe the
floor with them, so big.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But you know what, as we keep wiping the floor
with them, just like it's happened in international play, maybe
each year they get closer and closer, and then you
really it really becomes a legitimate world chair.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They taking a page of the ice Q's book. Now,
I don't think so. I think you're under Again.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I would expect us to win, but I think it
would be it's it's worth maybe looking into it and
we'll see if Adam Silver is doing that. Let's see
what the listeners think. Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
Would you like to see like a I guess a
literal world Championship where the NBA champion in this case
the Celtics would play the euro League champion in a
(26:29):
seven game series? I would say, Martin, it certainly should
be more than a one in one game. It would
need it would need to be a serious because it
wouldn't be fair, I mean wanting done who anything can happen,
but it would need to be like a series, which
I think would increase our chances of winning as much
(26:50):
as we already are would win. But I think if
you did it, that have to be how you did it,
and that does complicate it because it would be tougher,
you know, just from a time frame standpoint.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
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Speaker 1 (27:15):
When we close. The last hour.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Eat from Salam sounded like he was about to say
something incredible, so I'm just gonna I'm just gonna ask you,
are you picking France to beat the United States Saturday
(27:43):
in the gold medal game.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
For men's basketball.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
The one thing I will never do, Okay, whenever the
Olympics come around, I treat the Olympics like the Lakers, right,
or any other team that I follow, Right, I'm in
all in. Whether I'm happy with thinks the way things
are looking, I'm all in. I'm all in on the US.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Did you the.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Predict the Lakers are gonna beat the Nuggets? Of course,
of course you all in. I'm really all in, right, like,
it's not wavering now. What I will say and what
I was alluding to is a lot of people took
a sigh of relief, like we got past Serbia and
Nicola Jokics. It's easy selling now just watching France number one.
(28:34):
There's a home country advantage. That arena, brother, that arena
is gonna sound. This is the first time since ninety six,
since it was in Atlanta, that the host nation is
even gonna medal in the Olympics in basketball, even when
a medal Okay, let alone compete for a gold medal
against the world's best, which the team has led by
(29:00):
a twenty year old kid who just happened to be
the first pick in the draft last year of this
very organization called the NBA. The defensive player of the
Year is also on this team, and so being at
home being able to the thing that us struggled with
outside of Steph with the three point shot right right,
(29:23):
they'll jack him up now, they'll jack him up. Bam
out of Bayu shooting three pointers. He may have shot
three all last year in Miami, all of a sudden
on the world stage, he letting them things go. The
problem with doing that is when you have a seven
to three unicorn, there's not a lot of era area
(29:45):
to get the rebound. Right, he's going to go on misshot.
There will be very few second shot opportunities, is what
I'm saying. On missed long balls. Right, So you say, okay,
well let's go inside out his range and guarding the
rim is crazy.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
It's not like the NBA. For those who don't know
where there's defensive three seconds. You can just stand in
the key. You literally you don't ever have to move right,
you don't have to be near an opponent.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You can just stand there right and.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
They let me ask you this, because again I haven't
seen much of Friends. I haven't been impressed with the scores,
and you know, like all that. Do they We know
they have Win Bayama, who offensively has struggled during the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I know at one point he was four for seventeen
years down here? What he finished? What about around and
go Bear isn't playing much? No? Because so do they.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Have enough around Win Benyama, who's gonna have his imprint
on the game defensively to compete.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
I think they do. In terms of their guard play.
They also have see Victor on their team. Is not
a post player, right, he's a stretch everything, like you know,
so he's always they don't they don't, but they do
have post players. And I can't pronounce his name well
(31:14):
yase yes, Yabuli, Yeah, he's I know, Gershwan Yabaseli, he's
he want all the smoke down low, right, So when
they flash Victor to the high post and he gets
it at seven three and extends his hands up and
just dumps it down high, let's call a high low action.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Right.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
The guard set screens, they pass, Victor flashes, they dump
it to him. He can turn if the defense doesn't
honor it, he just turns and shoots that that short
twelve foot jump shot that he's really good at because
he's shooting down on the rim, or he dumps it
down to the big right.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
That's the issue.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
That's the problem that we're gonna have because if if
Anthony Davis is guarding Victor women Yama, which I would
would say, yeah, then Bam is left to bang down below.
If they go bam and add that's a problem. Also
their guards have like unlike the US when I talked
(32:14):
about last hour about you know, do I take this
shot or do I give it to a staff or
Lebron or Katie. Everybody got the green light. Man, everybody
just going. When you have that type of freedom to go,
you're at home. The crowd, brother, that is that is
danger us.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Imagine if Embiid had played for France, this will be
a real issue right now.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And I like, look, I'm not gonna take anything away
from Embiid. Shoot, after what we saw today, I'm glad
he's playing for US in America.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Well, this is why he was. I told you, this
is why we were there. We needed him for this
for Serbia, right, I got no, like, I'm cool with
what he chose to do. But and again not a criticist.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I mean, and I get maybe it's just like you said,
he's an American now he loves America, but a real
competitive nature. And I'm not saying he's not compet but
you know what I mean, would have been like, man,
I'm going to France and we're going to beat America,
right And like you say, if you're saying like, I mean,
(33:23):
can you imagine him inside and when Mayama.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Outside, no answers with with with bam and ad like
who would have replaced him?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Like?
Speaker 5 (33:34):
What is the other big American big and the NBA
that would have replaced Sam?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Ain't not a big, right? Is not a big? Yeah?
It wasn't in the Miami Sun.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
There is no other big that you would bring and
put on the team from the NBA from America that
would fill that void.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So now we would be really under that the name.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I'm looking at the teams right now, I mean, Brook Lopez,
Miles Turning, They're not I mean, Evan Mobley, Jared Allen,
I mean, but none of them are moving me real talk,
you get what I'm.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Saying, So that that's the issue, that's the problem. H thankfully,
and Be decided to play. He wanted to go medal,
so he was like, look, I'm just gonna join everybody
over here. We're all over here. That's why every time
he touched the ball, the French fans they bull them. Uh,
they yell out Trader, all kinds of all kinds of
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Right, Yeah, I'm just looking at name.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
I mean, it would have to be Cat, I guess,
but you know, no, like it would have been. There
is definitely a lack of size, would be Yeah, there's
a lack of size because biggs aren't trained as bigs anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Right, biggs aren't trained.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
My thing e from and you, like you said you
you coaching a you and all that, and I imagine
you will tell kids this. I'm I'm like, look, it
is not like you can't do both. It's not like
if you work on your three point shot and you handle,
you can also develop a post game.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
You can
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