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August 12, 2024 38 mins

FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Chris, and he and Rob debate whether Steph Curry’s flurry of three pointers late in the USA-France gold medal game should count as ‘clutch’ shots, explain why the New York Jets’ mismanagement of Haason Reddick is such a bad look for them and take a trip out to Shekel City for Rob’s nightly bets. Plus, former NFL scout and author Daniel Kelly swings by to share his thoughts on the NFL rookie quarterback class so far (Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, JJ McCarthy, etc)

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Speaker 2 (00:45):
It is so good to be back back from a
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Speaker 4 (01:35):
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and Dan Kelly, the former NFL scout and author. He's
joining us in the final hour. So our number three
and there we go. And you heard that voice. His
name is one mister Martin Weiss and he is filling

(01:58):
in for Chris Bussard. What's up, mister Martin?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Doing well? Doing well?

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Hopefully Christ is off enjoying vacation. Meanwhile, I'll just continue
playing my role as a utility infielder.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
At Fox Sports Radio. Happy to be here. Put me anywhere.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
I thrive, baby, But don't hit over two seventy five,
So that's why I'm on the bench.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
But once in a while, you got to hit a
home run, had I know that that's what you gotta do.
But yeah, we do have a great show. Chris will
be off. We'll have plenty of people coming through.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
I know.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
It's kind of a weird August I just got back
from vacation. I took a weird five twenty am flight
from JFK and you get in at eight o'clock am
on the West coast, you know, just sure, it is
very weird, but it was great to get in early
so that you're not killing a whole day or well,
that's time.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
That's a mistakes about leaving early from the West coast.
By the time you get anywhere on the coast tomorrow,
the day.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Has already been eating up. And one last thing.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
So I'm on a Jet Blue flight and a buddy
of mine, a friend of mine.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm known for thirty forty years, thirty.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Some odd years. He's one of the flight attendants. Now
he's been flying for twenty two years, and you know
how much I fly. Sure, we've never been on a
flight together, like never, twenty two years into his career
as a flight attendant and I finally was on his flight.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Well has he always been on Jet Blue?

Speaker 7 (03:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, Well that's part of the problem.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Jet Blue is a little bit above your price range
most of the time taking out and I.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Have been on Jet Blue. I do have a Jet
Blue freaking flying number and all that.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Oh so yeah, being.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Sure, but still twenty two years Martin, I've never run
into him.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
I'll just say look, if he flew for your favorite
budget airline carrier, I think you guys would have seen
each other before.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Now that's probably good. But it was great to see
Joey and he was great. All right, let's welcome in
the odd couple coup because we wouldn't be able to
do this fine radio program without him. And Rob g
of course is our producer as always. Is that Iowa
Sam running.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
The board just uh, just in the moment, just for
right now, there you go. Okay, Lex, we'll be here.
Alex is in route.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Okay, we'll have Alex, but Iowa say I'm filling in
until then, and Kevin Wyatt is at the anchor desk
and he'll keep us updated throughout the program. All right,
Martin Weiss, I know you were glued watching uh the
gold medal game and Steph Curry going off and putting
up threes left and right, and of course my phone

(04:30):
was going crazy from people. What do you think they
were saying?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
To me? Martin?

Speaker 5 (04:33):
I already know what they were saying, and I'm I
just want you to know preemptively, I'm disappointed in you
for this one, Ralph disappointed.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Don't don't. I'm not mad don't give him. I'm not mad, No,
I'm just disappointed. I know what they were. They were
sending you all types of clips. Oh, you see Steph Curry,
boom boom, boom boom, with the layup of Devin Booker
in between. You see Stephen Curry.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
He's left in the United States against the French gold medal.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
How do you say that in French? Who know?

Speaker 8 (05:00):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Holli vou fonseai we wee. I don't think that's gold medal.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
No, that's not gold medal. But that's a little French
right there. And yes, ho ho. But anyway, the overwhelming
text that came through on my phone was I told
you Steph was clutch. Tell me that's not clutch. Steph

(05:27):
is clutch. Because I'm the one honest voice in America
who says he can't be the greatest shooter of all
time because he doesn't make clutch shots.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
He's oh for fourteen.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
When he has a chance to tie or put his
team ahead in the final twenty thirty second twenty seconds
of a game, postseason, postseason, he's never made one of
those shots. If you're gonna be the greatest shooter of
all time, you gotta make those shots. And I'm here
to tell you on this Magic City Monday that Steph Curry,

(05:58):
while making big shots more mart and Weiss, did not
make any clutch shots in helping the United States win goal.
All Right, the score during steps last four to three pointers,
the United States was up by three, they were up
by six, they were up by six, and they were

(06:19):
up by six. So that means three of those shots,
of those last four threes he made, it was already
a two possession game. That's what makes something clutch. It's
when you hit a home run in the bottom of
the ninth, Martin, and your team is down a run
and you win the game, or you tie the game
in the bottom of the ninth and send it to
extra innings. That's what clutches. Did he make big shots, yes,

(06:44):
But your definition of people who think he made clutch
shots you can't be more wrong. It's not clutch, big shots,
a barrage, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
It ain't clutch if it's a two possession game. It's
that simple, all right, Merriam Webster.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Since you want to talk about the definition of clutch,
I don't know what else you would call it.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
As France was walking the.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
United States down, and Steph Curry was the only one
hitting them with the stiff farm on the way out.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
That's the way. That's basically what that was for.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
You said they were down three, were up three, up six,
up six, and then up nine six.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Do you know why they were up six? Because Steph
Curry is the one hitting jump shots.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
That's the reason why they were up all these Steph
Curry had an all time performance in the last two
games of the Olympics, the semi finals and the finals.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
And without that fourth quarter victor win.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Benyama and crew are holding the gold medal out of
Steph Curry. If you wanted to say, oh, Steph can't
do it unless he's got an all star team around him.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Oh Steph can't do it in the NBA. Oh Steph
can't do it.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
All right, I'm here for that, But you can't tell
me that what we saw in this gold.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Medal game was not clutch.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Look was he The reason why the score was what
it was was because of him hitting clutch shot after clutch.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
No, you got it wrong, cluting big shot.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Including Bill overhe was double team on an all time
heater looked off Lebron James and Kevin Urrant, two of
the Mount Rushmore NBA players of this era looked them
off and said audios orwever you say it in French.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
He made big shots, not clutch shots. Ray Allen shot
for the Miami Heat. That's a clutch shot if he
misses that. When Michael Jordan made a shot over Craig
elo I covered that game, Okay. If Michael Jordan misses
that shot, the Chicago Bulls go home and the series
is over, that's a clutch shot. If Ray Allen misses

(08:42):
that shot. Lebron James doesn't have four championships. He has three,
and his legacy is totally different. That's a clutch shot.
What stuff made were big shots, but they weren't clutch.
Just understand is a difference in the definition of what's
clutch Martin and what's big. Did he make big shots, Yes,
he did, They're not clutch. None of those baskets were

(09:05):
the reasons why they were up by six to make
a three because by three No, I'm talking about those
four threes at the end, all right.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
But those are the ones that were three Why because
he hit a three?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
No, they were up by six why because he hit
a three.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
No, but we're talking about when they went from six
to nine to those last ones.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Those with those don't happen unless he hit the first two.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
What it's not. It's not clutch, dude, it's not clutch.
The game wasn't in the balance. Would you say ray
Allen shot was clutch? Would you call it a clutch
shot or not?

Speaker 5 (09:38):
I shot you've been discussing today, that's the big clutch.
That shot that ray Allen made. We've been on there
for ten minutes. Every shot you've named today has been
a clutch shot.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
That shot that ray Ali made is the same as
the ones that Stuff made in the in the in
the Olympics.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
No, they'ren't talk. I'm responding to you. The difference was
those were in the series. This is the one game knockout,
but that was for this series that was a one game.
When they played six games. They would think Miami could
have took a one game that forty minutes for the
for the respect of your country because the elimination game.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
What are you talking about ray Allen shot?

Speaker 4 (10:16):
You're gonna tell me that that was the same shot
of the four that Stuff made on Sunday.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
No, I'm telling you is all of those shots are
clutch them all of Michael Jordan made that shot over
Craig Elave, same shot that stuff made again. You keep
naming other clutch shots to compare it to these clutch
super clutch. So I agree with you a little bit,
but not to make it any less clutch.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
You got depth didn't make any clutch shots. You want
to talk about all of those teams.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
You want to talk about all those teams Lebronness, Michael Jordan,
that they can lose.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
You know what Team USA can't do.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
They can't even win ugly without being excoriated by from
c to Signing Sea, from Maine all the way to
to Harry. They were gonna be talking about how Team
USA choked, Steve Curves the worst Lebron this kd that
uh Lebron's all of the different jokes that would be
flying out of this scenario had Steph Curry not said,

(11:14):
you know what, hold on a second, Draymond Green, don't
you worry about me. I'm gonna come in here and
knock this thing out, take this thing home.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
And it was a story, uh not too long ago
that was out and it's funny and and that we
look at this story and it's from one of Steph's teammates,
Andre Iguodala and Andre Goodower.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
This wasn't five years ago. This was recently.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Was asked h if he had to pick uh someone
to make a big basket to win a game, did
he play with Steph Curry?

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Not?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yes, not no days ago. I'm asking he has he
played with Steph Curry?

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Andre do yes, Rob We all watched the finals, Okay, like,
come on when he won the MVP over Steph the
first championship they won.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
But anyway, holding Lebron to forty and guess what he picked.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
And guess what we picked, Kyrie Irving, not Steph Curry
as the guy he would want to make a shot
in a clutch moment.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
You know what the team you made. This is the
day he made. This is what he was doing two
days This is somebody who watched Closer.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Two days ago, just like every other dad in America.
He was standing at the TV shouting.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Shoot it again, shoot it again.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
When he passed it to Kevin Durant right there on
that double team, and Katie passed it right back.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Andrea Goadala stood up and clapped his hands and said, yes,
do it to.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Him again, bet do it to him against Steph doing
to him, against Steph.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Kyrie was watching it just like Andrea Goodalad was.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
I don't even know when that quote is from, and
honestly don't really care what.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
It was to change the fact it was from February
twenty nine to twenty twenty four, so it was this year,
not five years. Hold and the quote is Kyrie irving.
It's not even close. It's not even close. It's the
only thing.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
And that is why.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Because Steph Curry's OH for fourteen and anybody who's watched
his career and is not just a fanboy who has
honestly watched his career in spots where he needed to
make a shot to help his team win, he's missed those.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Shots except for the game, which is why people are
saying it's the biggest shots he's hit in his career.
That's like, your argument makes sense if you, oh, Steph
can't hit big shots when he's got if he doesn't
have a Hall of Famer surrounding it, Steph can't hit
big shots in the NBA. The idea that those weren't
big shots in the gold medal.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
That's not what I said. Please do not the most
watched said. I'm saying. If you said that said they're
big shots to not clutch shots, they're both right. No
they're not. They're both where.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Steph Curry's four to three pointers in the gold medal game?
Clutch or not? We want to hear from you. Will
continue this conversation next eight seven seven ninety nine on
Fox eight seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
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Speaker 2 (14:13):
Doing is laying on the couch and fanboying it.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
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Speaker 2 (14:20):
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Speaker 4 (14:22):
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Speaker 4 (16:16):
I'll telephone number eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
We're talking Steph Curry. He made big shots and helping
the USA win goal, but they were not clutched by definition.
He's never made a clutch shot. In fact, in the
NBA plubs he's ozero for fourteen with a chance to
tie or put his team ahead in the last twenty seconds.

(16:39):
Those are feelings, those are facts. Were those shots on
Sunday clutch or not? Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
All right, Tim and ETL.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
Can you please, Tim in Atlanta please explain to Rob
Parker how he has lost his cotton picking mine.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
What's up, Tim? How are you?

Speaker 6 (16:58):
I'm good man.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
You see, vacation was good for me. You know what
I'm saying. It was clear my head.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
It was it was too good because I was just
telling Rob g come out and get your man.

Speaker 10 (17:09):
Come get your man.

Speaker 6 (17:10):
Come on, Rob, now, look man, listen to this analogy
before you cut me off. Right to track right four
about one hundred relays. If they handed off to the
last got the anchor on the relay right, he's got
a short lead. You have to hold that thing because
you know they've coming to walk you down. That's what
Steph Curry did. Man, he held that anchor and he

(17:31):
So that's clutch, Man because they were literally walking.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
The what they what they clutch shot? Two possession game?
You're not making a clutch sho clutch No, it's not.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
Not a two possession games mean nothing.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
That's not clutch. Can you answer? Can you answer Steph courage?
Oh for fourteen?

Speaker 6 (17:50):
Okay, if you want to say he hasn't done anything
in the past, that's fair game. But what I saw
on Saturday that was.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Clutch, Rob, Tim, big shots, not cluts.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
This is what he needed to this what Steph needed
to to miss the first two so then Frank would
have the lead and then the next one would have
been cut.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
That would have been great. I would have loved to
see that. That wouldn't happen. Tim, appreciate you, Thank you,
Mark and DC. You're next up. You're on the eye couple.

Speaker 10 (18:17):
Hey, Rob, you've been a fan of yours every since
your r G three co.

Speaker 11 (18:23):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (18:24):
Okay, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 10 (18:27):
And he shows it every day now to get to
step with the clutch.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
What I say is clutch.

Speaker 10 (18:35):
Is this Remember the Cleveland uh uh finals with Golden
State when Steph and uh Clay wasn't hidden shot.

Speaker 11 (18:47):
He d kept them in the game and then who
hit the big who hit the clutch shot to end
the game? He d That's clutch?

Speaker 4 (18:59):
What I undred percent? There are digits between making a
shot when your team has to have it in those moments.
And I'm not saying they weren't big, they just weren't clutch.
I'm giving them credit. I'm not trying to take away
his credit.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think the phrase is damning with
faint praise.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Andre in Massachusetts, You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 8 (19:22):
How you doing, Thanks for taking a call.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
What's up, Dre? How are you?

Speaker 8 (19:26):
I'm doing well, Rob, the beginning of another week. Cape
League is winding down here, uh in turn terms of
the baseball But gotcha, what we saw in the Olympics,
I have to say that was the textbook definition of clutch.
And the reason being is that look those shots they
orchestrated the Team USA was sharing the ball. What I

(19:47):
loved about the shot that the last one was just artistry.
That was creativity.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
It's a big shot, Andrea's not clutch. Clutch is a
two run home run in the bottom of the night.
Down to run.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
This is bad. That's clutch.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Andre, what ray Allen hit of the help le Bond's legacy.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
That's clutch. Come on, turn the rat down. We already
heard you. Come on, Dre.

Speaker 8 (20:11):
Rob me pushing back on that point. If you look
how he schemed those shots, and I'm not talking about
the dagger. I'm talking about the shot that led up
to that. To that, there was great teamwork in passing.
He kicked it to Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant kicked it
back to him. They were looking for step to make
those shots.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
That's fine, I said, there were big shots, Dre. You
know the difference between clutch. How can Steph Curry be
O for fourteen and and Andre Iguodal his teammates said,
if he needs a big shot, he's going with Kyrie Irving,
really against the greatest shooter of all time.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Okay, I'm just saying.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, you're just wrong, That's all it is. You're just wrong,
all right, That's all right. Should Bellvans already be worried about.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Caleb Williams, We'll we'll talk with a former NFL scout,
Daniel Kelly.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
That's coming up next, But first.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Chris Brussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm
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Speaker 4 (21:12):
It is The Odd Couple, coming to you live from
the tire rack dot Com studios on this Magic City Monday,
Rob Parker, Martin Weiss in for Chris Brussard, who will
take some VAK. Now, let's bring in Daniel Kelly, the
former NFL scout and author, and Daniel Welcome to The
Odd Couple.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Say hello to Martin Wise.

Speaker 12 (21:33):
Hi Martin, and Hi Rob. How are you guys doing tonight?

Speaker 4 (21:36):
We're doing great. And I'm just gonna say this, plain
and simple. Lucy, you got some splain in the dude,
because you told us the last time you were here
that Caleb Williams was off your draft board. You think
he's a terrible quarterback, you don't like him after seeing
him play.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Are you still in that camp.

Speaker 12 (21:53):
I'm still there. I'm still there. I have a fourth throng,
great on him coming into the draft.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
You know, the thing of it is about Caleb Walliams.

Speaker 12 (22:01):
I watched every snap that he played against the Buffalo
Bills this last preseason game. Pretty much what I saw
at USC we saw against the Bills. Yes, I saw
what everybody else saw. I saw the elite athleticism and
the arm talent, the five rollouts, the improv, the little
shovel pass, the DeAndre Swift. But I didn't get enough

(22:23):
opportunity to see he did look comfortable to me for
the pocket. Three passes from the pocket, one was dropped,
one completion, and one was almost picked off, but it
didn't count because of a flag on the defense. But
to me, he was making me a defense of the
just the him a little too much. And to me
he seemed a little bit jittery. And I know everyone's

(22:46):
going to jump on the highlights and there I saw
him too, and yes, I acknowledge them, but I do
have concerns just about him throwing from the pocket, setting
his feet and throwing the ball downfield.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
So you said that he's made defenses adjust to him
too much. Why Is that a bad thing? That sounds
like what I would want my quarterback to be doing.
How making the defense have to try to adjust to
what they're doing.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
Well, No, it's not a bad thing. It's not a
bad thing at all. I mean he does that, he
did that well at USC.

Speaker 12 (23:14):
It's just that his ball plays at Dollfield can be
average in those situations.

Speaker 7 (23:19):
But no, it can be a good thing if you
see it that way.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yeah, just off your draft board was just the part
that I can't get over. You might have you don't
have to like everybody, and you could nitpick. But wow,
all right, what about bone Nicks? What did you see
from boon Nicks and his play.

Speaker 12 (23:36):
Well with bone Knicks? I mean he didn't start the
game and after after a rough you know, first couple
of passes, he had a couple of pass breakups. One
was a passer appearance call and one was a fumbled snap.

Speaker 7 (23:48):
He didn't look too comfortable.

Speaker 12 (23:50):
To me with the timing of the game and the
timing of the OFFENSI overall, yes, he went fifteen for
twenty one to one touchdowns, zero interceptions, a lot of
short little passes he like one intermediate nice pass everything
else was short. It kind of took him to the
third quarter. They hit a nice intermediate.

Speaker 7 (24:06):
Pass to me.

Speaker 12 (24:07):
He seemed much more jumpy in the pock in his
first preseason game, which can be anticipated. I mean, these
guys are going from college to the NFL. The timing
is different from the offense. Also for the adjusting to
the defenses. But he seemed a little too jumpy, much
more jumpy.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
Than he did or gone.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
So you know, obviously the Bears one Kayleb Williams probably
the start day one. I think it would go over great,
at least in Sean Payton's office if bow Nicks had
showed himselfs me the day one starter. But it seems
to be all of the opposite of that for JJ
McCarthy in Minnesota, as reported that Sam Darnold is the
number one guy, And I even saw a report the
other couple of days ago they said JJ's having in
competition to be QB two.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
What did you see out of him?

Speaker 5 (24:46):
And do you think that's a fair assessment so far
of of jjs in Minnesota?

Speaker 12 (24:52):
Yeah, you know, when I looked at him, it was
like jack O lim Hyde in this game against the Raiders.
I mean, he did not start the game. And if
there's one the word I would use to describe him
in this game, it was inconsistent. Just not anything you'd
want to see on.

Speaker 7 (25:05):
A quarterback do in a game.

Speaker 12 (25:07):
JJ McCarthy did in this game one interception, another pass breakup,
one pass that would have been a fumble but his
arm was going forward. And then of course the two
nice long touchdown passes that you know are the highlights
over social media and stuff. But some passes weren't targets,
some weren't The Vikings I thought mixed in a fair
amount of run plays to try to settle him down

(25:27):
and make him more comfortable to flow the offense. But
they think he held the ball a little bit too
long at times. Look like he is also still adjusting,
like knicks to the speed of the game, a little
bit longer, too long set up in the pocket.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
His big challenge, guys.

Speaker 12 (25:40):
It's going to be adjusting to the timing of the
Vikings offense and adjusting to the speed of the game.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
It did not get better for JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 12 (25:49):
Until the third quarter, you know, later on when he
hit the two touchdown passes, and of course that's kind
the takeaway but there seems to be a real adjustment
period for him with the Vikings and what the NFL
yes answer your question, I think that is a fair
assessment that he's not ready to start yet for the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
All right, I do have one more, but Daniel Kelly
is our guest here on the Odd Couple Fox Sports Radio.
Former NFL scout and author Jade and Daniels talk about
his performance and what do you like dislike about him.

Speaker 7 (26:19):
I was pleasantly surprised by Jane Daniels.

Speaker 12 (26:22):
I mean, he hardly played just one series, small sample
sized two of the three forty five yards you know,
touchdowns interceptions. Of course, he ran into one short touchdown.
The thing that stuck out to me most about Daniels
is a lot of these guys looked very similar they
looked in their college film. But Daniels actually appear to
be much more comfortable than when I recall seeing him

(26:42):
at LSU, you know, looking down there. That was the
thing that stuck out the most. His movements looked very smooth,
very fluid. You know, it was it was, you know,
the one nice pass. Of course, he was known for
the deep passes down at LSU. The shorter game was
kind of hit and miss for him, you know, the
two or three attempts that he had, But he seemed
very comfortable in that offense and very in command, and

(27:05):
I was surprised. I was probably the biggest surprise for
me of any of the eight rookie quarterbacks I evaluated
of this last game.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
Speaking of those, speaking of the guy, I think when
we had you on after the Senior Bowl, I told
you I loved Spencer Rattler. To me, was jumping off
the field every time I watched him down there. And
obviously it wasn't with all the rookie quarterbacks, just Pennix
Nicks and Sam Hartman who was down down there, if
I remember correctly, but I was impressed with Spencer Rattler
as in his first appearance as a New Orleans Saint.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
What were you thinking, Yeah, I.

Speaker 12 (27:37):
Like Spencer Rattler live. Of course, he was my pre
draft TB one coming out. You know, I talked to
about in the last time I was on. I think,
you know, nine all seventeen, zero touchdowns, zero interceptions. You know,
he came in the third quarter. I keep in mind
he grew up in Arizona, played high school ball there
he gets in the game. To me, he just seemed
too excited at first. He seemed to be you know,
feet were kind of bouncy, and that he had a

(27:58):
hard time settling down in the pocket.

Speaker 7 (28:00):
Until that last drive. And that was kind of the
takeaway for me.

Speaker 12 (28:05):
Down fourteen to thirteen, a minute fifty left of the game,
we saw Spencer Ratler.

Speaker 7 (28:09):
At his finest.

Speaker 12 (28:10):
You know, he drove the Saints you know, down the
link to the field in the scoring in the field
goal position, and they kicked. They kicked the game winner.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
So that was the bag.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
That's a clutch performance, ain't it right at the end
of the game. That's clean it is.

Speaker 7 (28:21):
Yeah, that's that was my takeaway was clutch.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Who else?

Speaker 10 (28:26):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, we were just having a discussion. I'll get Daniel
Kelly roll up now. My man is talking football a
lot of it. I just love it, Daniel.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
I'm not no, no, no, so Daniel, anybody else, anybody
we did not ask you about?

Speaker 7 (28:38):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (28:38):
I got a question for real quick like or didn't like, well,
what do you make of what do you make of
not playing your rookie quarterback in the preseason?

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Daniel?

Speaker 5 (28:48):
Because I saw a clip of Bill Belichick today on
Pat mcviee, basically saying, like, if paraphrasing, but if you're
a rookie, you're gonna play in the preseason.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Now, obviously draw meo run a call in the shots.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
He didn't play hurts like maybe people saying because it
was raining outside.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I don't think that's a very valid excuse.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
But what overall, just organizationally, what do you think should
be how they handle these types of situations.

Speaker 7 (29:12):
Yeah, I think you got to play them.

Speaker 12 (29:13):
I mean, obviously there's always the risk of injury, but
you got to play because the biggest there's a bridge
between college and the NFL, and the bridge is getting
a little bit longer every year, and the bridge is
adjusting to the speed and the complexity the NFL. That's
why we've seen a lot of these quarterbacks since twenty
twenty one. Bottom out with these teams in the first
round is that you've got to hit the ground running.

(29:34):
You got to get in there, adjust to the speed
and the complexity game, which is much much different in
college football, especially defensively. Defensively, a lot of times in college.

Speaker 7 (29:42):
They can just run around.

Speaker 12 (29:43):
It's like playing ground football. They got five six seven seconds,
you got two three seconds.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
It's one Mississippi too, Mississippi and you get hit in
the NFL.

Speaker 12 (29:49):
So that's the big things. Getting these guys in the
game and having them adjusted the speed of the game,
I think is doing them a huge favor as they
tune up for the regular season.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
All right, his name is Daniel Kelly, always got something
to say, former NFL Scout author and you can check
him out on x at First Round mock.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Thank you, Daniel. Appreciate the info and the knowledge.

Speaker 7 (30:12):
Absolutely.

Speaker 12 (30:12):
Thank you so much, Robin and Martin. It's been greatly
on your show as always.

Speaker 7 (30:15):
Take care guys.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Thank you. Body appreciate it. Ame yep, all good. All right.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Coming up next, we're going to do a little Shekel City,
So we'll do that, so you want to stick around.
It is The Odd Couple on a Magic City Monday,
Rob Parker along with Martin whitez Infra, Chris Bussard right
here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Stick and stay for a couple extra shekels in the
US event.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Alex Hi, Rob, How are you be sure to catch
live editions of The Odd Couple with Chris Brussard and
Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
It is the Odd Couple on a Magic City Monday,
Roba Man, there you go, Alex, come back and right
away I'm choking on something. Is that how it goes?
Unlike Steph Curry?

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yes, coming to you. He did. He didn't choke, but
he just didn't make any bigger rob. Let me hear
the biggest play. Steph Curry had to end the game. Here,
we give you right, give me a clutch play. You
got any yeah? Are you ready? I'm ready? All right there,
it is nothing clutch, Alex. That's why we need you here.
That's what we do exactly. All right.

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(31:53):
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Speaker 2 (31:57):
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Speaker 4 (31:58):
The pro too Weeek goes out to Yankee Slugger Juan Soto.
I was at Yankee Stadium yesterday. He had two home runs,
not one, but two in the Yankees eight to seven
went over to Texas Rangers to keep the Yankees tied
a top the ale least. So again, congratulations goes out
to Juan Soto and the New York Yankees. You like that, Robs? You.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
I just don't read what's in front of me.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Okay, I'm actually comprehending the anti Christmas exactly right.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
If you just put it on here, what's a good thing?
Because the last line of that does not say one.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
So well, that's why I'm just saying, I'm reading the
cop that.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Thank you very much. All right, time for a little
Shekel City.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Welcome to Shekel City, the home base for Rob Parker's
day Dicks against the scrap.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
All right, here we go, Shekel City.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Best bet if you're trying to put some money together
for college, do you know, Rob g If you have
a kid or something and you need to pay a
tuition or whatever. Take the New York Yankees minus two
and a half runs. They are in Chicago taking on
the White Sox tonight. That game is still to start
in about fifteen to twenty minutes. Put the ranch on

(33:18):
the Yankees on the road against the White Sox. Also,
I got the Milwaukee Brewers taken on the Dodgers. I
got the Brewers plus one and a half at home.
Dodgers had a nice walk off on Sunday, but they're
in Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Take the Brewers plus one and a half.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
And last, but not least, I'm gonna go with the
Angels plus one and a half. They're at home and
they're taking on the Toronto Blue Jays. What a sad story,
sad season for the Blue Jays, fifty four and sixty
four coming into the night. So I got the Angels
plus one and a half. I got the Brewers plus

(33:56):
one and a half and the Yankees minus two and
a half. And remember, I'm not telling you who to
bet on. I'm telling you who I bet on. All right, Martin,
you you just cannot take the Jets.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Right, Well, me and Sassan Reddick can't take the Jets. Well,
Hassan Reddick has already. He was traded over from the
Eagles because they wouldn't pay him. You know, this is
like if the guy produces a good player, they don't
want to pay him.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
This is one of the best pass rushers in the league. Okay,
but they don't want to pay them.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
They didn't want to pay them, so he go to
the Jets, and then the Jets are surprised that he
wants to be paid by them.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
That's why he got traded from Philadelphia.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Like the New York Jets to me, I'm I told
you this in a break a minute ago. I don't
think there's anything in professional sports that an athlete of
that sport can do that I can do better than them, right,
I think the worst hitter in Major League Baseball can
hit a baseball better than me.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
The worst shooter in the NBA can hip shots better
than me.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
This right here, this type of just mismanagement by the
New York Jets makes me think I could walk into
be an NFL GM because what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
How does this? How do you figure this out?

Speaker 5 (34:59):
Where you say, okay, well, we're gonna let our best
pass rusher go Bryce Hoff to the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Oh you know we need a pass rusher.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
Oh, let's take the guy the Eagles didn't want to
pay the big money to who they just replaced with
our guy, right and then say, oh, you know what
they're not gonna pay you either, Like, why what makes
you think if you're the New York Jets that not
only not only are you do they think they're getting
a discount? Rob they think he's just like the organizational
attitude that you have to possess to think he'll he

(35:30):
won't play in Philadelphia?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Who just went ten and one? And when ten and one.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Through the season made the playoffs and everybody across the
board have Dean, this is the disaster. Nick Sirianni in
his first three years coaching has won over thirty games, right,
so they've been double digit wins every year. Everybody's saying
it was a disaster in Philly. What makes you think
Hassan ready to go to leave that situation and come
sign up for your dumpster fire without you cutting him

(35:55):
the check?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Like what makes why would you ever make that deal?
Why would you ever make that deal for the Jets?

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Because they're the Jets and they have had a ton
of mismanagement over the years. I grew up in New
York as a Jets fan when they actually were a
decent football organization for real. I mean they weren't the greatest,
but they were always in the mix. They won some
big games in my lifetime, but of late, You're right,
it makes no sense. You wouldn't go get a guy

(36:21):
who was disgruntled Dick because he didn't get paid and
wanted to get paid. And now you're surprised. I say
it all the time. It's like marrying an alcoholic and
then you're surprised. He wants to stop off on the
liquor store, at the liquor store on the way home,
like this is what you signed up for.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
He wants money. He wants money, right, so why are
you surprised?

Speaker 5 (36:42):
Diana Rossini tweeted out this whole big thing that back
in the prior version of Twitter would have been at
least five tweets, but now because we are here now
it's a college essay, but saying the Jets never made
a new offer on the long term extension because they
say they were infirmed by they were informed by Heredick's
rep that he would play.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Under his current contract.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
She says in her next bullet point, that's not the
player side, Reddick Camp believe the Jets said they would
do a deal and trusted this would get done by Camp.
So somebody in his I'm not saying that Ainy Recidi
is lying. I'm saying some of the people who are
feeding her information somebody is clearly off base.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Well, and the only one that makes sense is Reddick.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
You gotta believe him because he was already in that
situation in Philadelphia. Why would he come and say he's
gonna play on this car could have stayed.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
In Philadelphia for that, which is a better football situation
all around.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
The New York Jets doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
That's whats are That's That's what I'm saying, Like logical,
you gotta believe Reddick in this situation because the only
reason he wanted out was they weren't going to do
right by him. And then he went to the Jets
because he said, Okay, well yeah, we'll work something out
and then they renigged on it.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
It makes zero sense at all if you're the Jets.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
It shows you about their management, It shows you about
their front office, and honestly, it is.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Shows you why if they don't.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
There might be more pressure on the New York Jets
to be winners than almost any other team besides San Francisco,
because everybody in that organization is getting the acts. If
this season doesn't work out when you make moves like this.
This is a fireball offense.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, they'll probably get the acts anyway.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
I mean, I'm saying, if the season are worth they
win twelve games, I don't no one's gonna get fired.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
Yeah, we'll see that. I'm not convinced because I've seen
the Jets for a long time. Things just don't go right.
I called it last year. I thought that they would
wind up being the Mets of the NFL, and they
wind up being the Mets of the NFL last year
with a disaster. But all right, our number two coming
up

Speaker 2 (38:35):
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